Honda plans to install Honda S+ Shift in all of its future hybrid-electric vehicle models featuring the next-generation e:HEV, starting with the all-new Honda Prelude scheduled to go on sale in 2025.
The Japanese review also 100% confirms that it's a liftback, which isn't brought up in any press materials so far. He doesn't actually open it, but he examines every detail of the interior. I know this seems like a lame point to bring up, but the fact that this car also has a practical use case with a roomy and accessible cargo area is an enormous selling point.
The S+ Shift concept is exactly what I hope Mazda is able to do to bring back the rotary engine while meeting emissions regulations. I’m fine being fooled if I am having a riot!
This wasn't the only Japanese video posted either - I found two more suggested on the side bar of this video that did their own drives and gave a bit more info on suspension setup, dimensions, etc.
Vezel looks like a better and slightly smaller version of the HRV. From what Ive read, it shares the same platform. HRV is another car that needed a Hybrid yesterday.
@@KirkKreifels but it doesn’t make any sense. Why do I have to go to literally the luxury version of Honda just to get what I want that sounds like a marketing issue sounds like they’re trying to pull more money out of you just to get a manual transmission and that’s very bad for enthusiast cause it forces enthusiast to do something that they probably don’t wanna do just for a manual transmission that is sad for the car car community seriously
I had a 86 Prelude SI. It was a great car. I am glad Honda is bringing the name back. I am also glad it is a hybrid, not a pure EV. Maybe they will make a PHEV version ... I agree with your gear shifter comments. Why go to all the trouble of giving it a performance focus and use a button. Maybe they intend the drivers to use the steering wheel paddle shifters instead so the gear shifter might be considered redundant. My biggest complaint of hybrid tech (I have a 2010 Prius) is they lack of gearing. Honda seems to have fixed this even if it's not real gears, as long as it feels right.
Not that I don’t want another proper FWD manual ICE coupe, but it would be fun to see Toyota make their own version of this car with the new Celica and do it better with their more powerful 5th generation hybrid drivetrain.
The car was designed in North America and was first shown at the Los Angeles Motor Show. It got the most press in the region that they expect to sell the car. Nissan did the same thing with the GT-R and the Z, especially the Z, which wore the Fairlady Z emblem on the trunk in all of Nissan’s press images despite the car being left hand drive.
I’m so happy that this video literally proves that it will not come with a manual transmission, which was my point to a lot of people on Instagram and on UA-cam this car will not come with a train with with a manual transmission. It will not there’s no reason for this car to come with the manual transmission and if it is a hybrid, there is no reason for that.
I wouldn’t say that the simulated shifts are “Honda innovation”. It’s more like Hyundai Ionic 5 N innovation. I like that they can have that option for people who still crave the feeling of traditional ICE cars.
He (Japanese UA-camr Unadon) keeps saying improved thermal efficiency but is corrected with a subtitle - has wider rev range of maximal thermal efficiency, so it’s probably around 40% but stays at that efficiency though broader range of revs (I’m a native Japanese speaker)
Honda hybrid is basically an EV, ICE acts like a generator until you reach highway speed/top gear then a clutch closes and ICE drives the wheels. The rest of the time its an EV with a generator. Toyota, Honda, Hyundai all do hybrids vastly different.
Looks like a ton of fun. Hybrids have been rather boring. So this is a great compromise between engagement and economy. As my brother remarked, he said " i didn't bust my ass for 40 years working to drive a Prius".
The S+ trademark was previously in the CRZ. In that car, it means more electric boost to pass on the highway if there is battery juice. Could they use other existing trademarks for different mechanisms, such as EarthDreams, VTEC, or ECON?
Did I tell you I love my 24 Prius Limited hybrid works great in the climate. I’m in upper Midwest! Car is quick. Limited features are nice heated seats and wheel. Power rear lift 50 miles per gallon can’t complain. Take care buddy. Go get it. Enjoy your content.
From the inside, does it look like a hatchback? I know that's completely different from what the prelude traditionally is, however that's what would make or break this car for me. Small cars need a hatchback for practicality. Otherwise it's waiting for the rsx.
Hybrids are good, but I still don't like the idea of being saddled with a vehicle that has a very large, expensive battery that eventually you will have to replace... Or lowers the resale value.
itll have to be lighter than a used civic and a lot more power to weight ratio, maybe super effceint for low cost ownership but for the electrci only one insurance costs, longveity badness, etc means its probably not good there either. aptera is more about effiency and looks much more interesting, not a drivers car but maybe its not so bad as a mild momentum preservation car with different steering programing and wheel. maybe prelude can become relevent if it sells with options to be a cheap car for people who wont have family (most people nowdays)?
I think you're exaggerating - the latest Honda hybrids all fake shifts and they don't drone at a pinned redline unless you're brake torquing. This is a enhancement but it's not all that different.
This looks so cool, really brings the driver engagement that hybrids typically haven't had in the past. Also, it looks like theyre using the same aluminum paddle shifters that were announced for the ADX, which is nice. Hopefully, they can scale their hybrid tech and this S+ mode to their larger vehicles and all of their cars in general.
Toyota fan here, but I love the Prelude, and with the new one don't you worry a bit, because Honda knows how to make a sports car, NSX, S2000, Civic Type R, their expertise will translate into this new Prelude to make it a very good car.
@@josephbradford5930 Are you talking about Japanese cars in general? There are beautiful Japanese cars, example 97 Acura NSX, 93 Mazda RX-7, 97 Toyota Supra MK4, 98 Nissan GT-R, 98 Nissan Silvia S15, Honda S2000, Lexus LC500... So no, you are wrong about Japanese "don't like pretty cars." Looking at Porsche and BMW during that time of the 90s they were not very pretty, and now they are even worse looking.
@yume8380 You're right. I deal in exaggerations and generalizations. But in general, Japanese cars are not attractive. And BMW are smoking crack in recent years. For me, front overhang is just hideous, and Japanese models seem to score worst in this way. They look like they'd tip forward under braking.
The CR-Z was a mess. Horrible blind spots, just meh power, and if you were gentle maybe 38mpg. I dumped mine for a Prius that felt just as fast, was more practical in every way, and got better MPGs.
I threw together a little side by side clip of Misha Charoudin driving a stock AP1 S2000 on the ring and the speedo from this prelude clip 80-120km/h and I'd say the S2000 would have 'em by a fender or maybe less....literally the least scientific way to compare two cars but hey it's all I got :D
I like how as each piece of information comes out the well thought out product plan of Honda becomes clearer 😏 there is definitely a hole missing in their lineup since the demise of the accord and civic coupes; they’re taking a page from MB and the new CLE combining the two into a luxury technology tour de force single model that should result in a place where Honda can show off its latest hybrid engine tech while also recouping $$$ on a higher msrp since it isn’t ’just a civic coupe’
Back in 1985 I wanted my new girlfriend to drive up in a yellow Honda Prelude. Convertible? She arrived on her blue Trekk bike. Didn't own a car. Been married 33 years:)
Honda plans to install Honda S+ Shift in all of its future hybrid-electric vehicle models featuring the next-generation e:HEV, starting with the all-new Honda Prelude scheduled to go on sale in 2025.
Hybrid my anus
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The Japanese review also 100% confirms that it's a liftback, which isn't brought up in any press materials so far. He doesn't actually open it, but he examines every detail of the interior. I know this seems like a lame point to bring up, but the fact that this car also has a practical use case with a roomy and accessible cargo area is an enormous selling point.
Indeed. That is the exact appeal of the Civic Hatchback. I am also excited for the Prelude if what you're saying can be true and priced well.
Almost like an integra coupe
3 door, right?
Not lame at all. Practically is a huge selling point for most folks.
Yes, three doors
that car looks sweet. S+ let's go.
As crazy as it sounds I'd love to see a manual trans just like the last hybrid coupes Honda made
I only knew for crz manual hybrid tho. Well good news finally updates for its aging hybrid
tbh i kinda like the gear selection buttons. feels like ur in some sort of space ship. futuristic design is the way to go with a hybrid imo
buttons eh? that means i dont need to start watching this video.
buttonss eh? that means i dont need to start this video. might as well since all it is doing is just playing the ad.
Yea I have them in my insight and I love the buttons
That dude couldn't have been more excited I can hardly wait to see it and drive it in person.
12:25 Honda had the 2019-2022 Insight (AKA Civic hybrid) here in the States, where it use the same hybrid system but with the 1.5l engine.
I have a 2019 Honda insight and I’m telling you that it is not a fun car to drive. But hey, at least my wallet is happy at the gas station.
@@abdulgill5013Yea, can't go wrong with 55mpg, Insight is clearly underrated.
The S+ Shift concept is exactly what I hope Mazda is able to do to bring back the rotary engine while meeting emissions regulations. I’m fine being fooled if I am having a riot!
neah, 3 pedals and a stick shifter
This wasn't the only Japanese video posted either - I found two more suggested on the side bar of this video that did their own drives and gave a bit more info on suspension setup, dimensions, etc.
S+ was a button in the CRZ (lithium versions only) that when pressed would allow the battery to dump in all it had for up to like 5 or 10 seconds.
As a 92 Prelude owner back in 2002 through 2006. I love seeing this come back and with an ICE powertrain!
Please be $35k🤗
Vezel looks like a better and slightly smaller version of the HRV. From what Ive read, it shares the same platform. HRV is another car that needed a Hybrid yesterday.
One more reason to get a manual mustang while I still can
Kirk, If Honda wants to "deliver maximum levels of driver enjoyment" they should sell the Prelude with their famous manual transmission.
That's what Acura rsx is for
@@KirkKreifels but it doesn’t make any sense. Why do I have to go to literally the luxury version of Honda just to get what I want that sounds like a marketing issue sounds like they’re trying to pull more money out of you just to get a manual transmission and that’s very bad for enthusiast cause it forces enthusiast to do something that they probably don’t wanna do just for a manual transmission that is sad for the car car community seriously
Manuals are more difficult to pass sound and emissions regulations with. That’s the main reason why they’re going away.
Wouldn't mind this as a daily
I had a 86 Prelude SI. It was a great car. I am glad Honda is bringing the name back. I am also glad it is a hybrid, not a pure EV. Maybe they will make a PHEV version ... I agree with your gear shifter comments. Why go to all the trouble of giving it a performance focus and use a button. Maybe they intend the drivers to use the steering wheel paddle shifters instead so the gear shifter might be considered redundant. My biggest complaint of hybrid tech (I have a 2010 Prius) is they lack of gearing. Honda seems to have fixed this even if it's not real gears, as long as it feels right.
Not that I don’t want another proper FWD manual ICE coupe, but it would be fun to see Toyota make their own version of this car with the new Celica and do it better with their more powerful 5th generation hybrid drivetrain.
why is the Japanese model left hand drive?
The car was designed in North America and was first shown at the Los Angeles Motor Show. It got the most press in the region that they expect to sell the car. Nissan did the same thing with the GT-R and the Z, especially the Z, which wore the Fairlady Z emblem on the trunk in all of Nissan’s press images despite the car being left hand drive.
Manuals are fun and all, but everyone hating on paddle shifters haven’t tried ‘em. They’re incredibly fun and engaging.
They’re ok, manual still more engaging and fun
@@mogulme6190that’s subjective, manuals aren’t any more fun or engaging to drive than an automatic. It all comes down to driver preference.
I’m so happy that this video literally proves that it will not come with a manual transmission, which was my point to a lot of people on Instagram and on UA-cam this car will not come with a train with with a manual transmission. It will not there’s no reason for this car to come with the manual transmission and if it is a hybrid, there is no reason for that.
Sadly pricing going make it fail🙄
I wouldn’t say that the simulated shifts are “Honda innovation”. It’s more like Hyundai Ionic 5 N innovation. I like that they can have that option for people who still crave the feeling of traditional ICE cars.
He (Japanese UA-camr Unadon) keeps saying improved thermal efficiency but is corrected with a subtitle - has wider rev range of maximal thermal efficiency, so it’s probably around 40% but stays at that efficiency though broader range of revs (I’m a native Japanese speaker)
Honda hybrid is basically an EV, ICE acts like a generator until you reach highway speed/top gear then a clutch closes and ICE drives the wheels. The rest of the time its an EV with a generator. Toyota, Honda, Hyundai all do hybrids vastly different.
This is exactly what I thought Honda would do some day when they released e:HEV gen 1 way back in 2014! At the time, I thought it was a no-brainer!
UPDATES : Honda and Nissan is in talk of business integration.
Glad you found link Kirk. If search his older videos also drove Lexus LB-X which won't be coming to US.. "sigh"
Whatever happened to the Yamaha electric motors you discussed a couple of years ago? They seemed as if they were game changers.
New prelude is dope
I wonder how long before someone k swaps one these
Button shifters are better than rotary knob shifters and Tesla’s touchscreen shifter
Americans only want big vehicles, I really want to have a current generation of JDM Odyssey hybrid, so many features we don't get here in the states.
Looks like a ton of fun. Hybrids have been rather boring. So this is a great compromise between engagement and economy. As my brother remarked, he said " i didn't bust my ass for 40 years working to drive a Prius".
Have a feeling we're going to be getting an Integra coupe very shortly
Can you do a review on the Q50 hybrid sport ?? I wanna see how it would compare
The pushbutton was on the 2.0 civics. I wouldn’t be surprised if there isnt actually push button for the North American market.
The S+ trademark was previously in the CRZ. In that car, it means more electric boost to pass on the highway if there is battery juice. Could they use other existing trademarks for different mechanisms, such as EarthDreams, VTEC, or ECON?
I was just about to comment this
Was also watching the Subaru Layback and Subaru strong hybrid on the Japanese side of UA-cam.
The new Honda's look like Xenomorph (Alien) at the front end.
Is the S + shift coming to civic hybrid too?
Did I tell you I love my 24 Prius Limited hybrid works great in the climate. I’m in upper Midwest! Car is quick. Limited features are nice heated seats and wheel. Power rear lift 50 miles per gallon can’t complain. Take care buddy. Go get it. Enjoy your content.
No manual? Then, no thanks.
Honda has hybrid technology from F1. They should be using it for performance not just economy. Maybe this is it?
If awd is available or eawd im coping idc
Hurry up and take my 💰!!!
is there a point of a turbo hybrid if the engine doesnt power the wheels ?
Dang Kirk you’re quick with these (great) videos! Keep up the awesome work, you’ve got a new subscriber 😎
Thanks for subscribing!
From the inside, does it look like a hatchback? I know that's completely different from what the prelude traditionally is, however that's what would make or break this car for me. Small cars need a hatchback for practicality. Otherwise it's waiting for the rsx.
Hybrids are good, but I still don't like the idea of being saddled with a vehicle that has a very large, expensive battery that eventually you will have to replace... Or lowers the resale value.
itll have to be lighter than a used civic and a lot more power to weight ratio, maybe super effceint for low cost ownership but for the electrci only one insurance costs, longveity badness, etc means its probably not good there either. aptera is more about effiency and looks much more interesting, not a drivers car but maybe its not so bad as a mild momentum preservation car with different steering programing and wheel. maybe prelude can become relevent if it sells with options to be a cheap car for people who wont have family (most people nowdays)?
CVT with simulated gears
You’re calling it a shift when really it’s just rpm changes simulating actual gear changes.
Simulated shifts.
I think you're exaggerating - the latest Honda hybrids all fake shifts and they don't drone at a pinned redline unless you're brake torquing. This is a enhancement but it's not all that different.
the japanese youtuber and even kirk himself talked about how without S+ the shift it is less exagerrated like the current models
only problem I have is it's not rear wheel drive
I just don't get how you can get excited for a fwd coupe with a fake gearbox 🤔
Just heard the Honda-Nissan merger news. Maybe this could be rebadged as the next Silvia?
Can it beat Toyota's RAV4 Prime?
so its a hybrid with a cvt?
E cvt. It really doesn't have a transmission to be honest it's electrically driven
@ okayy🫠🥺 dont wanna say anything negative but just wish…nevermind
No CVT, it's a direct drive
Interesting that the Japanese UA-camr was driving a left hand version.
It was probably made in USA initially then sent over for tuning isy guess
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I’m excited for this car, but fake engine sounds and fake manual transmission modes is simply form over function and just cheesy.
Looks so cool and futuristic-looking!!❤❤
Won't this take away sales from the Civic Si?
Who cares?
This is the Prius Type R 😂😂😂
that is so cool!!! I want it!!!!
This looks so cool, really brings the driver engagement that hybrids typically haven't had in the past. Also, it looks like theyre using the same aluminum paddle shifters that were announced for the ADX, which is nice. Hopefully, they can scale their hybrid tech and this S+ mode to their larger vehicles and all of their cars in general.
Toyota fan here, but I love the Prelude, and with the new one don't you worry a bit, because Honda knows how to make a sports car, NSX, S2000, Civic Type R, their expertise will translate into this new Prelude to make it a very good car.
Fun fact: There is a green sticker on the front windshield that comes from German emission control regulatory.
Wasn’t the prelude supposed to be all electric
The murmurring and gossip I've heard always said it was going to be a hybrid
Needs a manual option in addition to the S+
冷凍マグロチェック！！
The push button shifters are already on the Japanese and European Civic E:HEVs
my biggest question is it going to be a hybridized DCT? simulated cvt? 6/8/10 speed automatic?
also if I remember isn't the prelude going to be awd
I do see myself getting this car, but this is basically what the crz should have been in the first place lmao 😅
CRZ can never look as good.
Will it be awd
Same tech as NSX ?
Cheaper NSX
Cool
I have zero interest if it’s not a manual… pretty disappointed honestly. Looks nice but not different enough from civic for me to be excited.😢
I hate the push button shifter its so cheap looking .
Hopefully a thurd oarty van afapt a manual for it ir at least a shift kever.
Honda build a Prius coupe 😂
Prettiest japanese car in 20 years
Ummmm...LFA, LC 500, NSX, etc. would like a word.
Prettiest Honda car in 20 years ;)
@yume8380 Sorry, they just don't make pretty cars. I think they don't LIKE pretty cars. Exception for some Mazdas.
@@josephbradford5930 Are you talking about Japanese cars in general? There are beautiful Japanese cars, example 97 Acura NSX, 93 Mazda RX-7, 97 Toyota Supra MK4, 98 Nissan GT-R, 98 Nissan Silvia S15, Honda S2000, Lexus LC500... So no, you are wrong about Japanese "don't like pretty cars." Looking at Porsche and BMW during that time of the 90s they were not very pretty, and now they are even worse looking.
@yume8380 You're right. I deal in exaggerations and generalizations. But in general, Japanese cars are not attractive. And BMW are smoking crack in recent years. For me, front overhang is just hideous, and Japanese models seem to score worst in this way. They look like they'd tip forward under braking.
I wish something like this setup was coming to the ADX.
I hope the 2026 CRV gets this new system and facelift like the models already sold outside of the US
it seems to me that is german registered car...that green sticket on the windshield is specific to germany
This drive mode selector is the same in European Civic model.
That push button setup (aside from the S+ and Drive Mode selectors) is the same as the one in my wife's 2018 Accord 2.0T Touring... we like it tbh.
I too have a 2.0T and I hate the buttons. There isn't strong confirmation for going into reverse or park.
Unless the driving feel surpasses the IONIQ 5 N, this is nothing but your standard Honda conservatism.
Options are good. Different price points mate.
Have u seen Best Motoring taking Ioniq 5 N around the track? That thing only good in the straight line and absolutely terrible in the corners
It might look fast if you 2x the playback speed.. Hybrid = worst of both worlds.
Dude stop yapping and get to your points so frustrating watching this video
The CR-Z was a mess. Horrible blind spots, just meh power, and if you were gentle maybe 38mpg. I dumped mine for a Prius that felt just as fast, was more practical in every way, and got better MPGs.
I threw together a little side by side clip of Misha Charoudin driving a stock AP1 S2000 on the ring and the speedo from this prelude clip 80-120km/h and I'd say the S2000 would have 'em by a fender or maybe less....literally the least scientific way to compare two cars but hey it's all I got :D
Think it is not a good looking car, dull design....despite the nice hybrid technology.
It looks like a Toyota with that front grill and lights.
HEY
it be slow cost to much
and there be lots family EV , faster
I like how as each piece of information comes out the well thought out product plan of Honda becomes clearer 😏 there is definitely a hole missing in their lineup since the demise of the accord and civic coupes; they’re taking a page from MB and the new CLE combining the two into a luxury technology tour de force single model that should result in a place where Honda can show off its latest hybrid engine tech while also recouping $$$ on a higher msrp since it isn’t ’just a civic coupe’
Back in 1985 I wanted my new girlfriend to drive up in a yellow Honda Prelude. Convertible?
She arrived on her blue Trekk bike. Didn't own a car.
Been married 33 years:)
Buttons for shifting is lame AF.
@@FRWD_FXLRST still beats rotary knobs and touchscreen shifters
Non manual is lame AF.
Just like the Accord it’s a great vehicle mechanically but its looks suck.
Why don't they build manual or dual clutch transmissions instead of CVT junk. The new prelude will be a POS compared to the original.
It's not a CVT, it's a direct drive