I wonder the reason they are using targets that closely resembles US warships is due to the way they track targets during terminal phase? They might be using image matching capability to hit a specific ship rather than the wrong ship?
China needs the true 3D model to get the real radar reflection signal and use AI to tune up the final destination. The model is on rail for the true 30 knots moving speed. They even route the rail in curve for real carrier turning radius and simulate the carrier moving in Zig-Zag route. if a nation has the ability to land on Mars at the first trial and bring moon soil back to earth, you have to respect China and take it seriously.
@@tonypaca3015 No. Steam explosion maybe, but the fuel in the reactor isn't pure enough to create a proper nuclear explosion like the ones produced by nuclear bombs.
@@tonypaca3015 The ancient Chinese Sun Tzu believed winning a war was best accomplished without firing a single shot. China will never try to sink a US carrier like Japanese did to Peral Harbor. In 1996 when China conducted military drill aound Taiwan, Bill Clinton ordered two US carrier fleets stationed North/South of Taiwan. The two US carriers sent a message to China in 1996. I believe US will not send any carriers 1000km close to Taiwan today if China start to take over Taiwan militarily. That's what China wants to achieve by this "surprised" satellite image.
@@MrFlatage I guess you are new to the internet. First rule is to assume everything is a joke and people are just having a laught. Second rule is to assume first rule is always the case.
China deliberately let US know as they displayed the model of this system in this year's Zhuahai air show to the public. China wants to send a message to US navy, when US deploy one or two carrier fleets in South China sea, US is not alone and some proven missiles are watching 2000 miles away ...
The Chinese are raising the cost to the US to intervene. That does not mean they are going to invade ROC. After a certain point they don't need to, as long as Taiwan doesn't declare independence, they seem happy to let the status quo stay. However they are slowly removing American leverage, they will not allow the Taiwan issue be decided in Washington.
@@kristopherbell7158 Only scatter US military personnel in Taiwan won't change anything substantially But declaring independence or allowing foreign army to stoop will change the everything
No, this is incorrect assumption and unfortunately one that is shared by most of the West. They smell blood in the water and they are correct. This won't stop. Appeasement in any sense, real or not, will only embolden. However, I would avoid kinetic action IF possible but I would not allow it to be removed off the table and I would highly suggest dropping every other agenda matter and only deal with this issue in the Cold War sense (ie. similar to US vs USSR). Anything less, such as ceding ground or industry, etc to them or allowing things such as IP theft, elite capture, etc would quickly snowball into massive losses felt immediately or later but at substantially even larger loss. These are the stakes at risk. @kristopher bell Maybe early 2000s or even mid to late 1990s for liaison levels of personnel but at least late 2000s closer to 2010s if estimating sufficient numbers coalescing into populace for social acceptance from casual perception.
My guess is they are using visual guidance algorithms, which is why they need accurate mockups. In other words, China knows about our missile defense systems and are strategizing ways around them. One of those ways is simply to overwhelm our missile defense by launching a holy hellstorm of missiles and the letting the missiles figure out what to hit. Extremely important to this strategy is NOT hitting your own ships. Thus, realistic mockups. Remember, this fight will be on their doorstep. So, they can throw all the missiles they want at us from land. For us, this fight is on the other side of the world and we can only fight with what we can carry. Also, I'm curious what the composition of their naval fleet says about their naval strategy? Most of their ships appear to be corvettes and frigates. What does this mean in terms of naval warfare?
My guess would be that it's about the hitting the right ships. If you launch a strike on a carrier group and missiles hit everything except the carrier, you failed. Plus, current ASMs have a habit of hitting ships that are already sinking (even if the most of the ship is under water already) if it's giving a radar return - it's a target. As for the composition, it makes sense you are going to start building smaller ships while you are developing your ship building know how and industry. Plus it melds perfectly in their current A2AD strategy. It doesn't take a large ship to carry a battery worth of SAMs and a few ASMs.
@@uegvdczuVF I stated the guess in terms of minimizing false positives; you stated the guess in terms of maximizing true positives. Regarding composition, if I understand you, many corvettes and frigates comports with my theory about a holy hellstorm of missiles. So, in both cases, we're saying the same thing... I think. Right?
@@vejovim Not necessarily the same thing, but it doesn't mean we can't both be right. Only Chinese leadership can give definitive answers, the rest of us only have guesses, opinions and educated assumptions. And anyone that claims otherwise is either fool, liar or a spy. :)
@@uegvdczuVF Don't forget their long-range land-based ASM & ASBM. China has loads of 'em. They don't all have to be top-notch, either. Batteries of shitty missiles still have to be dealt with if they have the legs to reach your fleet. Were China to saturate a carrier group with waves of missiles it wouldn't end well for us. A fleet will run out of bullets long before a fortress will.
the mock up should be used for damage assessment. No need to worry about hitting your own ships while the alert radius of carrier strike group is just way too big of an area. the terminal guidiance should be a combination of infared and milimeter wave radar, as finding a chuck of metal in the middle of the ocean shouldn't be very hard.
"... Lost the window to stop this..."? What the hell are you talking about? This is a sovereign nation. I know that doesn't mean much to a lot of americans but according to international laws if they want to build missile silos - empty or not - in the middle of their country they have the bloody right to do so, whether yanks like it or not.
It's a fair point. As loathsome as the CCP is, China has at least as much right to nuclear weapons as the US does. Unlike China, the US was never invaded. Of course China is going to massively expand their nuclear arsenal. Why wouldn't they? They fully aim on being the word's number one superpower sooner than later. That is not hyperbole. That is what the leadershp of the CCP and PLAN believe, and expect.
@@w0mblemania Yeah and they have the right to strife to achieve that, too. I am not a fan of their political structure either, but as long as the try to improve the international standing of their country without violence there really is not much the rest of the world can and should do. And if they would want to do something then maybe stop buying stuff produced there, because right now the Chinese economy and, hence, the way they pay for all those ships is heavily dependent on exporting stuff. So maybe buy an iPhone only every two years and reduce China's military budget bit by bit.
except it's a wind farm construction site, literally printed on the corner of the original satellite image. but the media turns a blind eye to that line of text written in ENGLISH.
@@charlieliu3974 You are correct in that there was an incident where the WP reported on a construction site for wind turbines as a new silo site. However, that was reg. Gansu Wind Farm which is located a fair bit away from the coordinates in the screenshot here. Also the proposed layout of the site appears different.
Could be a legitimate tactic. The difference in nature of their military industrial complex (state owned) and cheap work force mean they can produce ships for a fraction of a price.
the way out is to stop competing in theatre you cannot win and focus on limited battlefield. Unfurtunately, no human empire in history were ever willing withdraw from this type of situation.
@@euunul And 2.2% is the highest number adjusted after US declared China "hidden" research cost because Chinese did not seperate civilian and military research. The Chinese number self declared military GDP is roughly 1.5 to 1.75. With inflation in US now, the situation is getting way worse. I very much wonder when would US public ask the difficult question: does it worth it?
You'd have to think that every single missile manufacturer would be heavily in to AI right now. Otherwise, those manufacturers are going to drown (unless they have lopsided defence contracts with buyers who don't know any better). We're well in to Drone Era now. And it's not going to be a good future for a fighter pilot or a submariner.
Feels to complicated of a answer. Why wouldn’t they test at sea? Most likely a advertisement for their missile program. With how much information control the CCP has this feels like bait for American media. Not diminishing capability but I still think these tests at this range are purely for propaganda
Leaving Taiwan aside, after investing trillions of USD into 1000+ major infrastructure projects worldwide as part of the Belt and Road Initiative, Chinese are determined to protect their commercial shipping lines and their overseas markets against any potential adversary.
It’s worse then that. you build airports, railheads, roadways for movement of troops. The first step of Hitlers Rearmament was construction of the autobahns to rapidly move troops back and fourth from the front line. And from Poland to France and from France to Russia. China is doing exactly the same thing. But globally.
Unfortunately for China their major adversaries are armed to the teeth with nukes. The idea they would just achieve global domination, destroying US carriers, without escalation is fantasy.
@@andrew6978 I don't think that's what China expects either. It's only sensible to them to have the capability of conducting strikes against key elements of potential adversary assets just as US military and the Russians also do. The mock-ups are big and fancy, but ultimately no different in function than the training targets used by other militaries. The carrier destroying would be only after the conflict has already begun. More than anything China would prefer to continue on as they've done already. They have massive economic investments all around the world and those interests are beginning to pay off handsomely to China. A global conflict that would see the Chinese-owned infrastructure assets and companies forcibly nationalized would be an ungodly economic loss in addition to effectively ruining China's standing as a global political power. The Chinese investments are heavily favored towards China. Iran, for one, sells oil to China at an utterly ridiculous 40% discount. Iran is getting straight up ripped off with their deal with China. What'd China gain from disrupting that kind of trade?
@@miskakopperoinen8408 Threatening Taiwan and building fake islands and claiming territory in the South China sea is not defensive. It's aggressive and against international law.
They are certainly preparing a potential war with a powerful nation like the US plus its allies. It might not be for getting returns but to guard what they have already.
Or maybe they just build a navy that are suited for a nation that are surrounded by powerful navies? It’s China that building catch up against all its neighbours and their allies, not the other way around.
@@MrCastodian They have literally said they want to invade Taiwan, plus all the other behavior including that detailed in this video suggests otherwise
Meh. Look, China is projecting itself. To do that, it is arming itself to the teeth. That doesn't mean those weapons get used. Look at the cold war between the West and the Soviets: some skirmishes but no WWIII. Deterrence works on both sides.
Actually if you really compare Chinese shipbuilding capacities to what Chinese navy are building each year. They are not building very fast at all. China has over 1200 shipyards, and in 2020 Chinese shipyards produced 33.24 million tons of ships. A 2.6% drop from previous years due to COVID.
Some people will be super shocked but US has done similar. There are mock airbases used as bombing targets in the Nellis Range that were built to match specific Soviet airbases (One was West German I believe). Plus id be shocked if Farallon de Medinillas (One of this islands North of Guam) use as a bombing target for things like Cope North wasn't specifically due to China building airbases on similar small islands.
Given that West Germany was securely in NATO's sphere of influence, I'm almost positive that either you missed some crucial context in your answer or made a little mistake.
The platform on the rail is called integrated electronic OPFOR training system, previously already shown in the Zhuhai defense expo 2019. The gigantic platform is installed with multiple advanced sensors, ECM/ECCM suits, etc. Used to mimic advanced counterpart fleet electronic defense system for training. China is serious in develop actual strike capability on US CVBG. There's nothing to worry about actually. The only geopolitical dilemma between US and China is Taiwan. It's China's core interest not CCP's. If US is willing to back down on Taiwan, China and the US are the natural global geopolitical ally.
Thanks JT! Love all your sub briefs. Can listen all day long while I work (construction) and I do. I loved going to Bremerton not far from me to look at the warships and subs with reactor sections gone. So……weird. Sad? Idk. Strange feeling seeing that. Thanks for all your work!
@@timstone294 That would take weeks, if not months to deploy the full might of the USN to Asia, China's strategy would probably be quick first strike before the US can gather itself. Of course, if it fails then its suicide for china.
I knew u were gonna have a video about this today when I heard about it!! I love getting off work and listening to the current events and the China/US relations. The longer the better!
Why wouldn't they build mock up's? It's not like we wouldn't do it during training. You either train for the next war or find yourself falling behind when it starts.
@@Stinger913 well if we need to take down a box we'll be prepared. It might not be labeled a Chinese carrier but nobody is targeting a box, the box represents a target in training. They spent quite a bit of money on the training aid I'll give em that. I would bet were running our own simulations on an attack plan. All day long I've been seeing this story and being reminded how "Chicken Little" People get over stories like this. It's interesting but always ask yourself why now surely this information has been available to the Gov and military. It's being covered here because it's topical but it's a training aid. Better one then the APC's I've seen the US use with a garbage can on it to represent the OPFOR armored units. Interesting after twenty years of war everyone is ready for another Cold War. Easier that way I guess then having to answer for a vote from ten years prior authorizing a war when it becomes inconvenient. I myself am not against war I prefer not to be involved with one but it's the final step in diplomacy. Always has always will be. Sooner or later two countries with nukes will go to war and mess it up for the rest of us.
Its as if the west is proping China to be a common enemy so that they have the reason of all reasons to finally bring about their totalitarian central governments... but that would be a conspiracy theory so it must not be true of course.
The size of the economy doesn't make a country a developed or under developed country. The GDP of Monaco is tiny that doesn't make it a under developed country. Logic is a good thing.
Chinese online military commentators are impressed by how good amateur US intelligence capability is. They noticed that it was amateurs first spotted the targets China built.
Anyone with a in date oath or security clearance isn’t allowed to publish details like this. Any data captured, analysed or stored on Military tech is restricted. Every base. Every port. Every officers home. Every vehicle is logged on US satellite networks annually at this point since the 9 dash line came down. The whole pacific theatre has Restructured to meet the requirements . In reality No one in NATO forces care. Because AI and Algorithm can detect now detect the Launch of missiles. Their exact trajectories. Their landing points. If tanks are moved or not moved. If silos are built. If testing grounds have received ordinance. They’ll know if a engineer is missing a spare part. They’ll know if a budgets been cut. They’ll know what colour piss the general had that morning by the way he walks. If Chinese military commentators are at all impressed by Amateur Civil satellite images and heresay. They’re as behind the curve as the rest of the world thinks.
@@jugganaut33 I mean they are just commentators who are amateurs as well so I don't expect them to have the real knowledge. On Chinese media, this news about silos is said to be 'laughable' as they are just a bunch of bases for wind turbines.
One of the bennies of a free and open Internet. Incidentally, I'd have sold an arm to have access in 1997 to what Google Maps gives the whole world for free today. Does the term "plugger" mean anything to anybody? It was a camcorder-sized green box with a two-line LCD display that told you your GPS coordinates - it cost about $3000 and was a national security device. We were told they were the sissy alternative to proper land navigation with a compass... oh how times have changed.
@@jugganaut33 yet these intelligence agencies failed to find and stop a massive attack by hijacked planes on US soil? Technology is good but Humint cannot be replaced completely because the other side is also always developing better counters and Chinese and Russian counter intel is no joke
@@diwang4572: it is laughable.sensationalism aside. Theres High res images of Solid Fuel rockets being loaded into silos Within miles of the Wind farm you’re mentioning. a 25,000 square foot concrete command bunker and 300m long ROTL complex with 16 Launch pads In the same dessert. Which is why The internet analysts immediately assumed it was Silo expansion. Only time will tell Whether every single one of the Hard standing sights will be Wind turbines. Because all that seperate a nuclear silos and wind turbine sites at the moment is a road. But There’s a clear visual difference between the Sites that have been ‘exposed’ in 2021 and confirmed in 2020.
Anyone else picturing Jen doing a press brief taking about a “Provocative Chinese Move” and how “The American people’s feelings have been hurt” due to the range’s mock ups?
We've _always_ been locked in for war. Always. But let's remember times are more peaceful now, and nations more inter-dependent than at any other point in history.
I have watched your videos for some time now, glad to see that you simply present the facts as you know them and not biased "analysis", keeping an open mind approach
@@johnbacon4997 Hi mate. I do it more for “fun”. I am Australian and love our democratic way of life, that said, I believe there are good and bad in every system of government and believe I am open minded and respectful of all people/culture etc. I admire that the world has “differences” and can work together to be tolerant of all, thus sometimes can take the humour out of various situations
They won't be anywhere near the best, and most of the boasts about their abilities will be for internal and diaspora audiences (IE China best ra ra ra). But if you fire enough poop at the wall, something's gonna stick. No doubt that they'll be throwing all they have at the opfor if a shooting was starts. The question is whether they can get enough stuff in theater to overwhelm AEGIS and CIWS, and anything else the US comes up with in the mean time. Nothing is as good as advertised, but AEGIS is tested, and most of the folk in charge know the real limits of the system. Plans are no doubt made with those in mind.
Sorry but disagree with the part about China not having many friends. Over 100 countries vote regularily on China's side in UNGA or UNHRC. There is RCEP and they are tight traders with all ASEAN countries. China and Russia are tight with over 100B per year, biggest trade partner of Russia. UAE, Saudi, Iran are all good with China. Germany is deeply invested in China and needs that market etc etc too long to list.
hahahahah, see you again here. I am really glad to see these westerners have so much sense of supeority as it indicates they can't see themselves objective, which is a good thing to China.
The only flashpoint with China is over Taiwan. Yes, South China Sea and East China sea are all challenges, but those aren't important enough for China to go to war with, besides China already pretty much controls the South China Sea with the islands built, and as seen with the Scarborough Shoal, China took control of a reef from the Philippines, a US treaty ally without firing a shot. So the question now is, is Taiwan worth it to the US to potentially risk getting your carrier battle groups sunk? or worse, the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
China is also playing with fire at the border to India. They think they can salami-slice their way into that peaceful, friendly & polite Country, but the Tiger might very much regret having p*ssed off the Elephant.
tbf this the exact same thing the Germans did in the mediterranean during WW2. They made a mock-up of HMS Illustrious and practiced bombing her, and it actually worked extremely well and allowed them to hit the Illustrious and put her out of action.
China fires at full sized ship mockups to determine if their missiles can tell the difference between a Nimitz class carrier and an Arleigh Burke Destroyer. We fire missiles at mockups of individual watertight hatches to see if our missiles can tell the difference between the hatch on the bridge, and the hatch on the enlisted mess.
I'd think we'd be the ideal adversary for their training and wouldn't read too much into it. They'd hardly use Iranian silhouettes for training purposes
Who cares what they want? Do you seriously think either China or Russia doesn't know how outclassed they are? The Chinese are imitating the US for power projection to be prepared to influence events in the Middle East and Indian Ocean. This is about oil and natural gas.
You're delusional. A lack of political will isn't the same thing as technical superiority. I don't underestimate Chinese and Russians developing some capable weapons but I also know they can't successfully deploy those weapons for 7 or 8 months 9000 miles from their homeland.
Are you going to do a video of their naval railgun? Heard something about this some years ago, but how feasible is it to deploy a naval rail gun on a ship, especially the fact that railguns require a huge power source.
I think most any large nuclear exchange would result in wide spread devastation including destruction for long term of food sources (farm lands) and leveling of cities by blast and fires, power losses, famine, diseases, pesticlences and a horrific existence for "survivors".
No, there's only 1 mobile target instead of 1 arleigh and 1 Nimitz. When the radar looks at it, it looks like a US carrier due to the way the radar reflectors/signal generators are arranged on the "barge".
Correcting some facts: Type 004 is planed (iteration of 003 with nuclear propulsion). Type 003 (akin Ford class but conventional propulsion) is being built. Type 002 (based on Soviet design) commissioned in 2019.
Great video, lots of good information...👍👍 8:56 When I saw this picture, it made me think "That looks like it could go fast and at a high-altitude, and it looks like it was built with stealth in mind too"... It kinda looks like a combination of the Convair Fish and of the Lockheed D-21, maybe this is a Chinese interpretation of those reconnaissance aircraft... The Convair Fish was a supersonic (Mach 4) high-altitude (90,000'+) "parasite" reconnaissance aircraft that was designed to be used with the B-58B Hustler. Convair proposed it to the CIA as a replacement for the U-2 in the late 1950's... The Lockheed D-21, built for and operated by the CIA in the late 1960's, was a supersonic (Mach 3+) high-altitude (90,000'+) reconnaissance drone that was launched from a B-52 "mother-ship", but it had at first been designed to be used and launched from a M-21 "mother-ship", a variant of the Lockheed A-12, the slightly faster and higher flying precursor aircraft to the SR-71... In 1971, a D-21B was lost over China's Yunnan province, on the last operational flight of a D-21B reconnaissance drone. In 2010, in the China Aviation Museum, in Beijing, China, the wreckage of a D-21B reconnaissance drone, was put on display in one of it's exhibition areas. The museum said that prior to it be placed in the exhibition area, it had been in the museum's junkyard for years...🤔(I wonder where it may have been before it was in the junkyard)
China as a manufacturing centre relies heavily on import/export. So a large navy to ensure sea trade safety is actually an economic needs, more important than building a large nuclear arsenal.
The idea their navy is defensive is absurd and wrong. They are already expanding their claimed territory into the South China sea and threatening neighbours.
@@jcwoodman5285 if u look at a global strategy point of view, TW is way overrated. And that is why all politicians talks about it, it is the perfect tool to fill up mass media and ppls time, while direct attention from things that actually matters.
@@andrew6978 yes and no, defending is reaction. Which means a line must be drawn and so long everyone respect that line no one gets hurt. This practice on sea trade/route was started by GB and managed by the US post WWII, now CN is just an addition to the party. (Mostly a limited regional power)
Building ships is quick. But training the crew takes much longer time. IJN used to have the biggest aircraft carrier in WW2, but the lack of training (not the IJN didn't want to) made it the shortest lived major warship.
I wouldn't go as far as calling the Chinese type 3 aircraft carrier a knockoff as that would imply a direct copy, reverse engineered, etc. of the US carriers. Aircraft carrier designs are derived from its intended mission/functionality. Following this logic, one would also consider the Japanese Kongō-class destroyer a Burke knockoff.
I would call the radar system modern Chinese destroyers use a “knockoff” of Aegis or rather inspired by it. He means knockoff in terms of they’re approaching the same type of carrier designs as Forrestal and Nimitz.
Agree with your first point but Kongo is literarily a Burke with an additional command deck in superstructure and a few electronics replaced by Japanese counterparts.
@@Stinger913 Accoding to your logic, everything resembling to original item in the appearance is a knockoff, then everything is knockoff. All cars are knockoff to Benz.
The reason they’re practicing on US aircraft carrier targets is for targeting - they want to use image targeting to obviate the problem of precisely targeting a moving ship in the middle of the ocean. If they acquire enough data on US aircraft carrier and destroyer images (angles, profiles, distinguishing features, etc.) they hope to fire off missiles and use sensors and cameras to find the targets in the terminal phase.
Looks like the report don't count the ships that have been launched and not yet commissioned. So it does not count the 055, 075 and 054 that are still being commissioned.
@20:30 "it's too late, we've lost the window to stop them". i dont' get it. what method would we have used to stop them? are you suggesting we should have nuked them? they would have nuked us back. btw...great vids.
Yep and the US Army uses green martians as targets on target ranges and a Mars invasion is in the works. US Navy practices attacking it's own aircraft carriers and battle groups and does good at penetrating and getting the carriers. US Navy didn't do too well with the last sub crash in the China Sea but the US Space Force will get Mars.
Great article, but it leads me to ask other questions. Yes, they have lots of hulls, but what is their training schedule? How often do they leave the dock, and what is their training endurance? Do they have the bodies for these hulls and are they trained? Have the Chinese formed and operated a carrier group for more than one evolution? With their dis-similar aircraft carrier fleet how interoperable is their ships? Can they pull a cruiser from the Eastern and move it to the Southern and it still do the same job? Or, because the fleet make up is different because of the different carrier will that cruiser need a slight, moderate, or intensive integration period? And that is me positing that they are aping U.S. fleet formations, do they even built their fleets around carrier groups?
China having more ships is not the only factor. Chinese ships can be concentrated way more than US ships. Its basically US pacific fleet vs the whole of Chinese fleet. And even then US is not going to be sending their entire pacific fleet near China so in practise China can have huge numbers advantage. Wonder if there will be movements to transfer ships from the atlantic fleet to the pacific one.
@@testphone8379 Well that's actually enough. like. Fighter radar's "Frame time" time which it need to scan the area of interest is about 3-5 seconds. I would imagine missile seeker to be of no difference. The processing time is miliseconds to microseconds.
@@vovin8132 and this new Canadian Radarsat allows identification real time to Chinese military? These deep learning techniques are Chinese or still being developed? Are these already standardised remote sensing satellites Chinese? Development doesn't just stop when you have a working technique and therefore does matter to improve ongoing capability.
Problems with trade, is that countries like the US and EU countries would also suffer quite badly if no trade with China so it's really a two-way street.
@@grahamstrouse1165 The most egregious failure of globalism and its idea of forcing peace through interdependence is that it does not take into account long term 5th generational warfare, but instead assumes that warfare is a static factor. It is as if these people never read or understood neither Machiavelli nor von Clausewitz.
We need to be building the new FFG 4 per year and 4 Virginia subs a year. LCS needs to be scrapped and put money into some new guided missile cruisers.
For our sake.. they need to focus on our obsolete surface fleet. We need to focus on underwater craft, autonomous sensors and remote controlled weapons. Hypersonic weapons are not capable of underwater travel and the surface fleet is and analog of infantry. You may need them in a invasion but otherwise they won’t play a strategic role. I’m a destroyer sailer but the times have changed. Can we develop remote sonar sensors that pings on demand, operate above a thermal layer and broadcast data via RF to sub in a different thermal layer ? Can we develop a vertical wire “antenna / repeater” that runs thru multiple layers to give a submerged sub real time satellite, RF surveillance, high bandwidth data and ship identification without being physically connected to the sub via RF link ? I wonder what navigation hypersonic missiles use, GPS can have massive errors injected by the us government during war time. Without absolute precision there is no hope of nullifying our hardened missile silos, unfortunately our cities and there’s .. and frankly the entire civilization would probably parish anyway if it progresses to nuclear launches. In the end war is a silly prospect, something humans can get enough of.
Taiwan might be inside US sphere of influence, due to USA involved in China’s civil war between 1946-1949, but it is China’s territory. The separation of Taiwan from mainland China is the very last relic of China’s century of humiliation. So the job must be done at certain point of time
@@christopherthomsen5809 The (exiled) Tibetans that Americans can influence, many of whom I met personally in USA, surely in opposite direction. No surprise, right? They are the direct descendents of 100 thousand fled slave owners in 1959. However, the Tibetans, who left in Tibet after 1959, were mostly CPC followers. One story can prove my statement was that those Tibetans were responsible for the logistics of 1962 war against India (this was not a job that can be done without local Tibetans’ help due to Tibet terrain), and they did a fantastic job for PLA, because They were CPC freed slaves! Recently I visited Lhasa, I am very surprised that the regular Tibetans’ lives are almost the same as shanghai. In last 20 years, CPC systematically invests in all poor area of China, notably Tibet and Xinjiang, average people can access life style the same as the rest of China, which are life style never exists there before. My Tibetan friends told me, the Tibetans who live in the Indian side are very jealous, and Indian government considers what CPC does to improve average Tibetans’ lives is terrorist behavior. To be honest, after that, I Never worries about Tibet. So I guess you will be deeply disappointed.
@@wenling3487 "Slave owners" like the Dalai Lama, eh? While I don't doubt that current CCP apparatchiks live more comfortable lives than prior to the invasion, occupation and colonization of Tibet by the CCP, the ethnic cleansing and religious suppression, land confiscation, torture and execution of dissenters likely means that open dissent or even discontent is somewhat rarely given voice. I do hope that the Chinese mainland is someday restored to the legitimate government of the Republic of China, and no Soviet-era Soviet-backed "acknowledgement" of the CCP nor acceptance by our own craven "leaders" into the UN can ever hide the stain of their ill conception. No matter how much history the CCP destroys, no matter how loudly they proclaim their propaganda, no matter the force of the violence they threaten with, the CCP are at their core nothing but bandits; and it is precisely because they, too, know that this is so that it offends them so deeply.
Very interesting and at the same time very educational channel. I am thinking why we go there and why we come so close to them just few miles from their land. Are we looking to make war?
The USN & USCG tieing up along side was a great day here in Poneke Aotearoa. Because we and the EM sailors were still teenagers and teenagers are drawn to each other as teenagers always are we all had great times doing teenager things. Of course and naturally so these young fellas were keen to meet local girls and the local girls were keen as mustard to meet the young Americans just as their mother's did a generation earlier when young Marines trained here before tossing the Japanese out of Guadalcanal and everywhere else where the Japanese had set up camp. Now though and because of a regrettable Nuclear Free policy here and with USN policy of neither confirm or deny the presence of nuclear propulsion or armed, a stale-mate was reached and so since 1984/5 there has been, in my view, a regrettable absence of the reassuring sight of USN Grey alongside their usual berth at Taranaki Street wharf.
A country driven by fear and piracy shows the signs of a bully that would bite the hand that feeds them. Problems with such a large fleet is the costs, personnel, and purpose. The purpose issue leaves you to wonder if they are planning to take control over a more areas. The cost issue will require huge GDP and support program.
More than 50% of shipping in the region is ships sailing to or from China, so there is your task and purpose. Being a nation that is so heavily dependent on shipping while relying on others to secure the shipping lanes is plane stupid and borderline suicidal. And they are neither. As far as costs go, China has the worlds largest GDP by PPP. And that one is the relevant one here because they build, supply and maintain their ships by themselves.
@@uegvdczuVF I tend to look at the weaknesses of a plan rather than the strengths. If your country only steals ideas for new products then your GDP is an imaginary number. Sooner or later the world will stand up and try to hold the bully accountable.
If that is all you believe in, then that’s good for you....you don't need to worry about China. Like they said: “move along, nothing to see here” Hahaha
@@XR0075 Assuming everyone doesn't know anything about China and their ability to create things is wrong. My Chinese name is Bai Li. Do you have a Chinese name? My experience in Chinese culture is dealing with the constant frustration, arguments, and fight to pirate and control.
I forgot to mention that today is a sunshiny day when it comes to Submarines and DVD about WW2 Submarines. Gonna settle in with the Ships Cat and my Wahine for what promises to be a Super Subday evening. Stay safe and go well my brother over the sea.
Actually most countries do similar but on ground targets, chinas opponent is the US so it is only logic that they train in some way. It is effective as a guided bomb with a camera guidance is basically unjammable ( in theory) is why they made camera guided air to air missiles
All this really shows is that the PRC are pragmatic government. Everyone should expect that the US is doing exactly the same for it’s most likely opponents...
I wonder the reason they are using targets that closely resembles US warships is due to the way they track targets during terminal phase? They might be using image matching capability to hit a specific ship rather than the wrong ship?
China needs the true 3D model to get the real radar reflection signal and use AI to tune up the final destination. The model is on rail for the true 30 knots moving speed. They even route the rail in curve for real carrier turning radius and simulate the carrier moving in Zig-Zag route. if a nation has the ability to land on Mars at the first trial and bring moon soil back to earth, you have to respect China and take it seriously.
@@michenerpark1464 definitely but one should take all adversaries seriously.
@@tonypaca3015 No. Steam explosion maybe, but the fuel in the reactor isn't pure enough to create a proper nuclear explosion like the ones produced by nuclear bombs.
@@tonypaca3015 The ancient Chinese Sun Tzu believed winning a war was best accomplished without firing a single shot. China will never try to sink a US carrier like Japanese did to Peral Harbor. In 1996 when China conducted military drill aound Taiwan, Bill Clinton ordered two US carrier fleets stationed North/South of Taiwan. The two US carriers sent a message to China in 1996. I believe US will not send any carriers 1000km close to Taiwan today if China start to take over Taiwan militarily. That's what China wants to achieve by this "surprised" satellite image.
I wonder how effective Smoke dispensers will be against these optical guidance cameras.
We better avoid sending our carrier battle groups to that desert then!
Sun Tzu, probably.
@@MrFlatage I guess you are new to the internet.
First rule is to assume everything is a joke and people are just having a laught.
Second rule is to assume first rule is always the case.
@@MrFlatage China, Russia, France, The UK ?
If you're going to be that belligerent, at least try to make sense 🤣
Gotta wonder, when they know the US is watching from satellites and scrutinizing anything they do , if this is a bit of a show as well.
China deliberately let US know as they displayed the model of this system in this year's Zhuahai air show to the public. China wants to send a message to US navy, when US deploy one or two carrier fleets in South China sea, US is not alone and some proven missiles are watching 2000 miles away ...
It is anyways both.
i guess you could call that "the cherry on top"
Of course it is
Yes 👆this
The Chinese are raising the cost to the US to intervene. That does not mean they are going to invade ROC. After a certain point they don't need to, as long as Taiwan doesn't declare independence, they seem happy to let the status quo stay. However they are slowly removing American leverage, they will not allow the Taiwan issue be decided in Washington.
But american military has been there for quite some time, maybe since the early 2000s..
@@kristopherbell7158 Only scatter US military personnel in Taiwan won't change anything substantially But declaring independence or allowing foreign army to stoop will change the everything
No, this is incorrect assumption and unfortunately one that is shared by most of the West. They smell blood in the water and they are correct. This won't stop. Appeasement in any sense, real or not, will only embolden. However, I would avoid kinetic action IF possible but I would not allow it to be removed off the table and I would highly suggest dropping every other agenda matter and only deal with this issue in the Cold War sense (ie. similar to US vs USSR). Anything less, such as ceding ground or industry, etc to them or allowing things such as IP theft, elite capture, etc would quickly snowball into massive losses felt immediately or later but at substantially even larger loss. These are the stakes at risk.
@kristopher bell Maybe early 2000s or even mid to late 1990s for liaison levels of personnel but at least late 2000s closer to 2010s if estimating sufficient numbers coalescing into populace for social acceptance from casual perception.
My guess is they are using visual guidance algorithms, which is why they need accurate mockups. In other words, China knows about our missile defense systems and are strategizing ways around them. One of those ways is simply to overwhelm our missile defense by launching a holy hellstorm of missiles and the letting the missiles figure out what to hit. Extremely important to this strategy is NOT hitting your own ships. Thus, realistic mockups. Remember, this fight will be on their doorstep. So, they can throw all the missiles they want at us from land. For us, this fight is on the other side of the world and we can only fight with what we can carry.
Also, I'm curious what the composition of their naval fleet says about their naval strategy? Most of their ships appear to be corvettes and frigates. What does this mean in terms of naval warfare?
My guess would be that it's about the hitting the right ships. If you launch a strike on a carrier group and missiles hit everything except the carrier, you failed. Plus, current ASMs have a habit of hitting ships that are already sinking (even if the most of the ship is under water already) if it's giving a radar return - it's a target.
As for the composition, it makes sense you are going to start building smaller ships while you are developing your ship building know how and industry. Plus it melds perfectly in their current A2AD strategy. It doesn't take a large ship to carry a battery worth of SAMs and a few ASMs.
@@uegvdczuVF I stated the guess in terms of minimizing false positives; you stated the guess in terms of maximizing true positives.
Regarding composition, if I understand you, many corvettes and frigates comports with my theory about a holy hellstorm of missiles.
So, in both cases, we're saying the same thing... I think. Right?
@@vejovim Not necessarily the same thing, but it doesn't mean we can't both be right.
Only Chinese leadership can give definitive answers, the rest of us only have guesses, opinions and educated assumptions. And anyone that claims otherwise is either fool, liar or a spy. :)
@@uegvdczuVF Don't forget their long-range land-based ASM & ASBM. China has loads of 'em. They don't all have to be top-notch, either. Batteries of shitty missiles still have to be dealt with if they have the legs to reach your fleet. Were China to saturate a carrier group with waves of missiles it wouldn't end well for us. A fleet will run out of bullets long before a fortress will.
the mock up should be used for damage assessment. No need to worry about hitting your own ships while the alert radius of carrier strike group is just way too big of an area. the terminal guidiance should be a combination of infared and milimeter wave radar, as finding a chuck of metal in the middle of the ocean shouldn't be very hard.
"largest air launched missile"
The USAF people who tested dropping ICBMs out the back of a C-5 Galaxy would like a word.
Hahaha, now that test was impressive.
That was almost put into service too lol, just the then Soviet Union wanted it out.
That "reconnaissance drone" looks alot like the parts laying around of the 3 drones in Baghdad last weekend 'Nov 2021'
“I have a bad feeling about this.”
- Luke Skywalker
"... Lost the window to stop this..."? What the hell are you talking about? This is a sovereign nation. I know that doesn't mean much to a lot of americans but according to international laws if they want to build missile silos - empty or not - in the middle of their country they have the bloody right to do so, whether yanks like it or not.
It's a fair point.
As loathsome as the CCP is, China has at least as much right to nuclear weapons as the US does. Unlike China, the US was never invaded.
Of course China is going to massively expand their nuclear arsenal. Why wouldn't they?
They fully aim on being the word's number one superpower sooner than later. That is not hyperbole. That is what the leadershp of the CCP and PLAN believe, and expect.
@@w0mblemania Yeah and they have the right to strife to achieve that, too. I am not a fan of their political structure either, but as long as the try to improve the international standing of their country without violence there really is not much the rest of the world can and should do. And if they would want to do something then maybe stop buying stuff produced there, because right now the Chinese economy and, hence, the way they pay for all those ships is heavily dependent on exporting stuff. So maybe buy an iPhone only every two years and reduce China's military budget bit by bit.
except it's a wind farm construction site, literally printed on the corner of the original satellite image. but the media turns a blind eye to that line of text written in ENGLISH.
@@charlieliu3974 You are correct in that there was an incident where the WP reported on a construction site for wind turbines as a new silo site. However, that was reg. Gansu Wind Farm which is located a fair bit away from the coordinates in the screenshot here. Also the proposed layout of the site appears different.
@@charlieliu3974 Of course it's a wind construction site. Just like prisons in Western China are really just schools and training camps.
it would be a little silly if they built mock-ups of Royal Caribbean Cruises "Oasis of the Sea" or Royal Caribbean International's "Allure of the Sea"
19:39 that is the bloody wind farm. you should search for photos taken on the ground. besides who would build silos packed like that.
Shhhh, you're going against the narrative.
Are they doing the same thing to us we did to USSR by outspending us into collapse?
Could be a legitimate tactic. The difference in nature of their military industrial complex (state owned) and cheap work force mean they can produce ships for a fraction of a price.
The thought's crossed my mind, too.
@@euunul China hasn't burned 20 trillion cash in Afghanistan
the way out is to stop competing in theatre you cannot win and focus on limited battlefield. Unfurtunately, no human empire in history were ever willing withdraw from this type of situation.
@@euunul And 2.2% is the highest number adjusted after US declared China "hidden" research cost because Chinese did not seperate civilian and military research. The Chinese number self declared military GDP is roughly 1.5 to 1.75.
With inflation in US now, the situation is getting way worse. I very much wonder when would US public ask the difficult question: does it worth it?
My belief is that they’re developing AI for infrared imaging tech in the nose of the missile. See the Israeli python 5, it has similar tech for IFF
You'd have to think that every single missile manufacturer would be heavily in to AI right now.
Otherwise, those manufacturers are going to drown (unless they have lopsided defence contracts with buyers who don't know any better).
We're well in to Drone Era now. And it's not going to be a good future for a fighter pilot or a submariner.
Probably something similar with LRASM,
I've been saying for a few years now, invest in companies utilizing AI, be it military or civilian, and buy land in South America.
Feels to complicated of a answer. Why wouldn’t they test at sea? Most likely a advertisement for their missile program. With how much information control the CCP has this feels like bait for American media. Not diminishing capability but I still think these tests at this range are purely for propaganda
Leaving Taiwan aside, after investing trillions of USD into 1000+ major infrastructure projects worldwide as part of the Belt and Road Initiative, Chinese are determined to protect their commercial shipping lines and their overseas markets against any potential adversary.
It’s worse then that. you build airports, railheads, roadways for movement of troops. The first step of Hitlers Rearmament was construction of the autobahns to rapidly move troops back and fourth from the front line. And from Poland to France and from France to Russia.
China is doing exactly the same thing. But globally.
They actually think anybody going to war with them will do it without nukes? That's more insane than the nukes. 🙆🇺🇲🛠️🇷🇺
Unfortunately for China their major adversaries are armed to the teeth with nukes. The idea they would just achieve global domination, destroying US carriers, without escalation is fantasy.
@@andrew6978 I don't think that's what China expects either. It's only sensible to them to have the capability of conducting strikes against key elements of potential adversary assets just as US military and the Russians also do. The mock-ups are big and fancy, but ultimately no different in function than the training targets used by other militaries.
The carrier destroying would be only after the conflict has already begun.
More than anything China would prefer to continue on as they've done already. They have massive economic investments all around the world and those interests are beginning to pay off handsomely to China. A global conflict that would see the Chinese-owned infrastructure assets and companies forcibly nationalized would be an ungodly economic loss in addition to effectively ruining China's standing as a global political power.
The Chinese investments are heavily favored towards China. Iran, for one, sells oil to China at an utterly ridiculous 40% discount. Iran is getting straight up ripped off with their deal with China. What'd China gain from disrupting that kind of trade?
@@miskakopperoinen8408 Threatening Taiwan and building fake islands and claiming territory in the South China sea is not defensive. It's aggressive and against international law.
Ha ha ha!
Bruce Lee once said “Boards don’t hit back!”
No one builds this Navy this fast without expecting a return on the investment quickly.
They are certainly preparing a potential war with a powerful nation like the US plus its allies. It might not be for getting returns but to guard what they have already.
Or maybe they just build a navy that are suited for a nation that are surrounded by powerful navies?
It’s China that building catch up against all its neighbours and their allies, not the other way around.
@@MrCastodian They have literally said they want to invade Taiwan, plus all the other behavior including that detailed in this video suggests otherwise
Meh.
Look, China is projecting itself. To do that, it is arming itself to the teeth.
That doesn't mean those weapons get used.
Look at the cold war between the West and the Soviets: some skirmishes but no WWIII.
Deterrence works on both sides.
Actually if you really compare Chinese shipbuilding capacities to what Chinese navy are building each year. They are not building very fast at all.
China has over 1200 shipyards, and in 2020 Chinese shipyards produced 33.24 million tons of ships. A 2.6% drop from previous years due to COVID.
Some people will be super shocked but US has done similar. There are mock airbases used as bombing targets in the Nellis Range that were built to match specific Soviet airbases (One was West German I believe).
Plus id be shocked if Farallon de Medinillas (One of this islands North of Guam) use as a bombing target for things like Cope North wasn't specifically due to China building airbases on similar small islands.
Still dont beat the entire cities the Soviets built as mockups of western cities to train their agents in English and blending into western society.
Given that West Germany was securely in NATO's sphere of influence, I'm almost positive that either you missed some crucial context in your answer or made a little mistake.
@@miskakopperoinen8408 Yes he made a slip of the tongue, the mockup at Nellis was of Jüterbog Airfield in East Germany.
@@watcherzero5256 That makes sense, thanks!
model targets in desert are not new, they have been around for a long time. The only thing new is on rail movable targets.
The platform on the rail is called integrated electronic OPFOR training system, previously already shown in the Zhuhai defense expo 2019. The gigantic platform is installed with multiple advanced sensors, ECM/ECCM suits, etc. Used to mimic advanced counterpart fleet electronic defense system for training. China is serious in develop actual strike capability on US CVBG.
There's nothing to worry about actually. The only geopolitical dilemma between US and China is Taiwan. It's China's core interest not CCP's. If US is willing to back down on Taiwan, China and the US are the natural global geopolitical ally.
Thanks JT! Love all your sub briefs. Can listen all day long while I work (construction) and I do. I loved going to Bremerton not far from me to look at the warships and subs with reactor sections gone. So……weird. Sad? Idk. Strange feeling seeing that. Thanks for all your work!
China does not need to defeat the full might of the USN, just the regional forces in asia.
If it messes with the regional force in Asia. They will meet the full might of the USN. And Air Force, Army & Marines. 🇺🇸
@@timstone294 That would take weeks, if not months to deploy the full might of the USN to Asia, China's strategy would probably be quick first strike before the US can gather itself. Of course, if it fails then its suicide for china.
@@timstone294 *US goes full onto China
Iran, Russia, AQ, Myanmar: Yippie
Good job, you've just described the Japanese plan for WW2
I knew u were gonna have a video about this today when I heard about it!! I love getting off work and listening to the current events and the China/US relations. The longer the better!
Why wouldn't they build mock up's? It's not like we wouldn't do it during training. You either train for the next war or find yourself falling behind when it starts.
they want to start wars lmao
@@XxTrigerHappyxX one must expect a wiggle back when they start sabre rattling
@@robert48044 does the USN build mock ups of specific ships from specific countries? I only see generic containers in missile tests
@@Stinger913 well if we need to take down a box we'll be prepared. It might not be labeled a Chinese carrier but nobody is targeting a box, the box represents a target in training. They spent quite a bit of money on the training aid I'll give em that. I would bet were running our own simulations on an attack plan. All day long I've been seeing this story and being reminded how "Chicken Little" People get over stories like this. It's interesting but always ask yourself why now surely this information has been available to the Gov and military. It's being covered here because it's topical but it's a training aid. Better one then the APC's I've seen the US use with a garbage can on it to represent the OPFOR armored units. Interesting after twenty years of war everyone is ready for another Cold War. Easier that way I guess then having to answer for a vote from ten years prior authorizing a war when it becomes inconvenient. I myself am not against war I prefer not to be involved with one but it's the final step in diplomacy. Always has always will be. Sooner or later two countries with nukes will go to war and mess it up for the rest of us.
@@XxTrigerHappyxX I don't know if China want to start war, but everybody know US started a lot of wars.
And yet China still retains ‘developing nation’ status and its associated benefits for economic purposes. 🤷🏻♂️
Its as if the west is proping China to be a common enemy so that they have the reason of all reasons to finally bring about their totalitarian central governments...
but that would be a conspiracy theory so it must not be true of course.
What benefits does developing nation status gives China? I found whoever brings that point is totally stupid.
@@sjwarialaw8155 get vaccinated. Bill gates has changed his mind
@@royhuang9715 you get much better rates for international loans
The size of the economy doesn't make a country a developed or under developed country. The GDP of Monaco is tiny that doesn't make it a under developed country. Logic is a good thing.
That ship layout is also used by both South Korea and Japan.
Exactly
Chinese online military commentators are impressed by how good amateur US intelligence capability is. They noticed that it was amateurs first spotted the targets China built.
Anyone with a in date oath or security clearance isn’t allowed to publish details like this.
Any data captured, analysed or stored on Military tech is restricted.
Every base. Every port. Every officers home. Every vehicle is logged on US satellite networks annually at this point since the 9 dash line came down.
The whole pacific theatre has Restructured to meet the requirements .
In reality No one in NATO forces care. Because AI and Algorithm can detect now detect the Launch of missiles. Their exact trajectories. Their landing points.
If tanks are moved or not moved.
If silos are built.
If testing grounds have received ordinance.
They’ll know if a engineer is missing a spare part.
They’ll know if a budgets been cut.
They’ll know what colour piss the general had that morning by the way he walks.
If Chinese military commentators are at all impressed by Amateur Civil satellite images and heresay. They’re as behind the curve as the rest of the world thinks.
@@jugganaut33 I mean they are just commentators who are amateurs as well so I don't expect them to have the real knowledge. On Chinese media, this news about silos is said to be 'laughable' as they are just a bunch of bases for wind turbines.
One of the bennies of a free and open Internet.
Incidentally, I'd have sold an arm to have access in 1997 to what Google Maps gives the whole world for free today. Does the term "plugger" mean anything to anybody? It was a camcorder-sized green box with a two-line LCD display that told you your GPS coordinates - it cost about $3000 and was a national security device. We were told they were the sissy alternative to proper land navigation with a compass... oh how times have changed.
@@jugganaut33 yet these intelligence agencies failed to find and stop a massive attack by hijacked planes on US soil? Technology is good but Humint cannot be replaced completely because the other side is also always developing better counters and Chinese and Russian counter intel is no joke
@@diwang4572: it is laughable.sensationalism aside. Theres High res images of Solid Fuel rockets being loaded into silos Within miles of the Wind farm you’re mentioning. a 25,000 square foot concrete command bunker and 300m long ROTL complex with 16 Launch pads In the same dessert. Which is why The internet analysts immediately assumed it was Silo expansion. Only time will tell Whether every single one of the Hard standing sights will be Wind turbines. Because all that seperate a nuclear silos and wind turbine sites at the moment is a road. But There’s a clear visual difference between the Sites that have been ‘exposed’ in 2021 and confirmed in 2020.
Anyone else picturing Jen doing a press brief taking about a “Provocative Chinese Move” and how “The American people’s feelings have been hurt” due to the range’s mock ups?
That would be hilarious. Call them racist as well for good measure
Basically the world is locked in for war! Just hope countries aren't sleep walking into it.
We've _always_ been locked in for war. Always.
But let's remember times are more peaceful now, and nations more inter-dependent than at any other point in history.
I have watched your videos for some time now, glad to see that you simply present the facts as you know them and not biased "analysis", keeping an open mind approach
Why do you have communist propaganda as your profile picture?
@@johnbacon4997 Hi mate. I do it more for “fun”. I am Australian and love our democratic way of life, that said, I believe there are good and bad in every system of government and believe I am open minded and respectful of all people/culture etc. I admire that the world has “differences” and can work together to be tolerant of all, thus sometimes can take the humour out of various situations
@@pv4509 ok!
They are on rails because they want to simulate a moving target.
What are your thoughts on Carrier killer missiles like DF-21 or Agni- Prime?
They would be pretty good at producing artifical reefs..
Dunno, but they seem pretty potent. It really depends on whether Aegis is as good as advertised.
They won't be anywhere near the best, and most of the boasts about their abilities will be for internal and diaspora audiences (IE China best ra ra ra). But if you fire enough poop at the wall, something's gonna stick. No doubt that they'll be throwing all they have at the opfor if a shooting was starts. The question is whether they can get enough stuff in theater to overwhelm AEGIS and CIWS, and anything else the US comes up with in the mean time. Nothing is as good as advertised, but AEGIS is tested, and most of the folk in charge know the real limits of the system. Plans are no doubt made with those in mind.
@@truckerallikatuk Shoot down MRBM with CIWS?
What a wonderful joke LOL
Overhyped
>viewer asks question about probably classified stuff
“No I have not and we’re not going to talk about it”
Sorry but disagree with the part about China not having many friends. Over 100 countries vote regularily on China's side in UNGA or UNHRC. There is RCEP and they are tight traders with all ASEAN countries. China and Russia are tight with over 100B per year, biggest trade partner of Russia. UAE, Saudi, Iran are all good with China. Germany is deeply invested in China and needs that market etc etc too long to list.
hahahahah, see you again here. I am really glad to see these westerners have so much sense of supeority as it indicates they can't see themselves objective, which is a good thing to China.
Looks all ship-shape to me.
The only flashpoint with China is over Taiwan.
Yes, South China Sea and East China sea are all challenges, but those aren't important enough for China to go to war with, besides China already pretty much controls the South China Sea with the islands built, and as seen with the Scarborough Shoal, China took control of a reef from the Philippines, a US treaty ally without firing a shot.
So the question now is, is Taiwan worth it to the US to potentially risk getting your carrier battle groups sunk? or worse, the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
China is also playing with fire at the border to India.
They think they can salami-slice their way into that peaceful, friendly & polite Country,
but the Tiger might very much regret having p*ssed off the Elephant.
I think this is as much about sabre rattling as it is about testing weapon capability.
Their version of our "China Lake"
This channel has the most clever comments.... unlike those comments from Aussie, India...
totally agree from china
Well done it’s good to be well informed and know the facts
please add dark reader to chrome and "dark mode" all your stuff because i really enjoy watching these very late at night.
In short talk with China and stop meddling in their affairs.
Its beyond that, america tried and china would not accept
type-3 gets launched in 2024, 2019 was type-2
Putting that mockup on rail is a pretty good idea
tbf this the exact same thing the Germans did in the mediterranean during WW2. They made a mock-up of HMS Illustrious and practiced bombing her, and it actually worked extremely well and allowed them to hit the Illustrious and put her out of action.
I think you should know that DF-26 is currently the latest type of aircraft carrier killer that China has disclosed, not DF-21D
China fires at full sized ship mockups to determine if their missiles can tell the difference between a Nimitz class carrier and an Arleigh Burke Destroyer. We fire missiles at mockups of individual watertight hatches to see if our missiles can tell the difference between the hatch on the bridge, and the hatch on the enlisted mess.
that is both true, stupid and funny!
=D
Any chance of accidental hit on civilian ships?
I'd think we'd be the ideal adversary for their training and wouldn't read too much into it. They'd hardly use Iranian silhouettes for training purposes
It's us vs them you shouldn't think they don't want us destroyed
Who cares what they want? Do you seriously think either China or Russia doesn't know how outclassed they are? The Chinese are imitating the US for power projection to be prepared to influence events in the Middle East and Indian Ocean. This is about oil and natural gas.
@@tomdolan9761 outclassed? I think you're under estimating our enemies which is a mistake.
You're delusional. A lack of political will isn't the same thing as technical superiority. I don't underestimate Chinese and Russians developing some capable weapons but I also know they can't successfully deploy those weapons for 7 or 8 months 9000 miles from their homeland.
It’s a message “we are coming after you”
Too right! Who else are they gonna fight?
US makes models of potential enemy equipment all the time. Funny how when some nation makes US mockups it hits the nerve.
Sure it hits a nerve the other away around, we all know how childish and bratty china is
Are you going to do a video of their naval railgun? Heard something about this some years ago, but how feasible is it to deploy a naval rail gun on a ship, especially the fact that railguns require a huge power source.
Not very effective
I think most any large nuclear exchange would result in wide spread devastation including destruction for long term of food sources (farm lands) and leveling of cities by blast and fires, power losses, famine, diseases, pesticlences and a horrific existence for "survivors".
The fact that they've built too many to maintain should already tell you they intend to use them and expects them to be unloaded in the near future.
Wonderful presentation
No, there's only 1 mobile target instead of 1 arleigh and 1 Nimitz. When the radar looks at it, it looks like a US carrier due to the way the radar reflectors/signal generators are arranged on the "barge".
Correcting some facts: Type 004 is planed (iteration of 003 with nuclear propulsion). Type 003 (akin Ford class but conventional propulsion) is being built. Type 002 (based on Soviet design) commissioned in 2019.
Great video, lots of good information...👍👍
8:56 When I saw this picture, it made me think "That looks like it could go fast and at a high-altitude, and it looks like it was built with stealth in mind too"...
It kinda looks like a combination of the Convair Fish and of the Lockheed D-21, maybe this is a Chinese interpretation of those reconnaissance aircraft...
The Convair Fish was a supersonic (Mach 4) high-altitude (90,000'+) "parasite" reconnaissance aircraft that was designed to be used with the B-58B Hustler. Convair proposed it to the CIA as a replacement for the U-2 in the late 1950's...
The Lockheed D-21, built for and operated by the CIA in the late 1960's, was a supersonic (Mach 3+) high-altitude (90,000'+) reconnaissance drone that was launched from a B-52 "mother-ship", but it had at first been designed to be used and launched from a M-21 "mother-ship", a variant of the Lockheed A-12, the slightly faster and higher flying precursor aircraft to the SR-71...
In 1971, a D-21B was lost over China's Yunnan province, on the last operational flight of a D-21B reconnaissance drone. In 2010, in the China Aviation Museum, in Beijing, China, the wreckage of a D-21B reconnaissance drone, was put on display in one of it's exhibition areas. The museum said that prior to it be placed in the exhibition area, it had been in the museum's junkyard for years...🤔(I wonder where it may have been before it was in the junkyard)
China as a manufacturing centre relies heavily on import/export. So a large navy to ensure sea trade safety is actually an economic needs, more important than building a large nuclear arsenal.
If this manufacturing-trade centric future is most important we would hope they don't devastate it all by invading Taiwan...
The idea their navy is defensive is absurd and wrong. They are already expanding their claimed territory into the South China sea and threatening neighbours.
@@jcwoodman5285 if u look at a global strategy point of view, TW is way overrated. And that is why all politicians talks about it, it is the perfect tool to fill up mass media and ppls time, while direct attention from things that actually matters.
@@andrew6978 yes and no, defending is reaction. Which means a line must be drawn and so long everyone respect that line no one gets hurt. This practice on sea trade/route was started by GB and managed by the US post WWII, now CN is just an addition to the party. (Mostly a limited regional power)
@@icebearliu6403 OK chairman we'll take that under advisement.🙄
Building ships is quick. But training the crew takes much longer time. IJN used to have the biggest aircraft carrier in WW2, but the lack of training (not the IJN didn't want to) made it the shortest lived major warship.
Chinese train much harder than westerners. They can churn officers at double pace.
Rail target, pretty clever. Wonder what's their hit rate. If they have problem hitting a defenseless target, then good luck hitting target with CIWS.
I wouldn't go as far as calling the Chinese type 3 aircraft carrier a knockoff as that would imply a direct copy, reverse engineered, etc. of the US carriers.
Aircraft carrier designs are derived from its intended mission/functionality.
Following this logic, one would also consider the Japanese Kongō-class destroyer a Burke knockoff.
I would call the radar system modern Chinese destroyers use a “knockoff” of Aegis or rather inspired by it. He means knockoff in terms of they’re approaching the same type of carrier designs as Forrestal and Nimitz.
Agree with your first point but Kongo is literarily a Burke with an additional command deck in superstructure and a few electronics replaced by Japanese counterparts.
@@Stinger913 Accoding to your logic, everything resembling to original item in the appearance is a knockoff, then everything is knockoff. All cars are knockoff to Benz.
20:50 Mr. Sub Brief, thanks for having a fair outlook. For what it’s worth, you earned an extra point of respect in my books.
And we're to be surprised by this??? Of course it's a message.
We're coming for you!!!
The reason they’re practicing on US aircraft carrier targets is for targeting - they want to use image targeting to obviate the problem of precisely targeting a moving ship in the middle of the ocean. If they acquire enough data on US aircraft carrier and destroyer images (angles, profiles, distinguishing features, etc.) they hope to fire off missiles and use sensors and cameras to find the targets in the terminal phase.
Looks like the report don't count the ships that have been launched and not yet commissioned. So it does not count the 055, 075 and 054 that are still being commissioned.
@20:30 "it's too late, we've lost the window to stop them". i dont' get it. what method would we have used to stop them? are you suggesting we should have nuked them? they would have nuked us back. btw...great vids.
Yep and the US Army uses green martians as targets on target ranges and a Mars invasion is in the works. US Navy practices attacking it's own aircraft carriers and battle groups and does good at penetrating and getting the carriers. US Navy didn't do too well with the last sub crash in the China Sea but the US Space Force will get Mars.
I guess the Canadian navy is ramping up. To make a new submarine purchase. This figured you might be interested
Need that navy to protect ships dumping sewage of the coasts of other countries
Shades of the MX missile program..........
Jive, had the pleasure of meeting Xavier at Sea Air Space 2021. Great guy.
What aircraft do they have that can work off of the carriers? They don’t? They won’t be in business in a year from now.
They have the Shenyang J-15, a flanker based carrier fighter.
So, how is this different to what the US does? AFAIK the US has recently added Chinese markings and cammo to the aggressor Squadrons.
Meanwhile Switzerland grabs a new batch of Popcorns.
China made exact replicas of our carriers because the are really good at making copies.
The PRC does build ships and submarines for many countries. They are good value for money if you are doing basic defence.
Great article, but it leads me to ask other questions. Yes, they have lots of hulls, but what is their training schedule? How often do they leave the dock, and what is their training endurance? Do they have the bodies for these hulls and are they trained? Have the Chinese formed and operated a carrier group for more than one evolution? With their dis-similar aircraft carrier fleet how interoperable is their ships? Can they pull a cruiser from the Eastern and move it to the Southern and it still do the same job? Or, because the fleet make up is different because of the different carrier will that cruiser need a slight, moderate, or intensive integration period? And that is me positing that they are aping U.S. fleet formations, do they even built their fleets around carrier groups?
"Good point bringing up what I had said previously" lol
China having more ships is not the only factor. Chinese ships can be concentrated way more than US ships. Its basically US pacific fleet vs the whole of Chinese fleet. And even then US is not going to be sending their entire pacific fleet near China so in practise China can have huge numbers advantage. Wonder if there will be movements to transfer ships from the atlantic fleet to the pacific one.
Welp. Its not a good time to buy life insurance anymore
They also have rail mounted target which might give more realistic moving target scenario.
Yes it is a really awesome shooting range for anti-ship missiles.. NR1 worldwide!!1!
They only have number of second to find the moving target after it can “see” again.
@@testphone8379 Well that's actually enough.
like. Fighter radar's "Frame time" time which it need to scan the area of interest is about 3-5 seconds.
I would imagine missile seeker to be of no difference. The processing time is miliseconds to microseconds.
It may be to calibrate spy satellites to identify various ships automatically every time it passes over a fleet.
@@vovin8132 and this new Canadian Radarsat allows identification real time to Chinese military? These deep learning techniques are Chinese or still being developed? Are these already standardised remote sensing satellites Chinese? Development doesn't just stop when you have a working technique and therefore does matter to improve ongoing capability.
@@vovin8132 Interesting.
I guess they are done with research, development and calibration.
@@vovin8132 So it does matter then?
Problems with trade, is that countries like the US and EU countries would also suffer quite badly if no trade with China so it's really a two-way street.
That's the thing. Any conflict with China would have a devastating effect on both our economies. We're so heavily interdependent on each other.
@@grahamstrouse1165 The most egregious failure of globalism and its idea of forcing peace through interdependence is that it does not take into account long term 5th generational warfare, but instead assumes that warfare is a static factor. It is as if these people never read or understood neither Machiavelli nor von Clausewitz.
1 thing money can not bye is 125 yrs of useing these type ships in concert-
The us does!
We need to be building the new FFG 4 per year and 4 Virginia subs a year. LCS needs to be scrapped and put money into some new guided missile cruisers.
That's completely normal. It's also done by the US and other NATO countries. We have to "paint" something in the targets, so does the Chinese.
For our sake.. they need to focus on our obsolete surface fleet. We need to focus on underwater craft, autonomous sensors and remote controlled weapons.
Hypersonic weapons are not capable of underwater travel and the surface fleet is and analog of infantry. You may need them in a invasion but otherwise they won’t play a strategic role. I’m a destroyer sailer but the times have changed.
Can we develop remote sonar sensors that pings on demand, operate above a thermal layer and broadcast data via RF to sub in a different thermal layer ?
Can we develop a vertical wire “antenna / repeater” that runs thru multiple layers to give a submerged sub real time satellite, RF surveillance, high bandwidth data and ship identification without being physically connected to the sub via RF link ?
I wonder what navigation hypersonic missiles use, GPS can have massive errors injected by the us government during war time. Without absolute precision there is no hope of nullifying our hardened missile silos, unfortunately our cities and there’s .. and frankly the entire civilization would probably parish anyway if it progresses to nuclear launches. In the end war is a silly prospect, something humans can get enough of.
Taiwan might be inside US sphere of influence, due to USA involved in China’s civil war between 1946-1949, but it is China’s territory.
The separation of Taiwan from mainland China is the very last relic of China’s century of humiliation.
So the job must be done at certain point of time
Most Westerners conveniently forget this aspect.
US doesn't even recognize Taiwan as a sovereign nation, nuff said.
I think the Tibetans might agree with your sentiment, if not its direction.
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The (exiled) Tibetans that Americans can influence, many of whom I met personally in USA, surely in opposite direction. No surprise, right? They are the direct descendents of 100 thousand fled slave owners in 1959.
However, the Tibetans, who left in Tibet after 1959, were mostly CPC followers. One story can prove my statement was that those Tibetans were responsible for the logistics of 1962 war against India (this was not a job that can be done without local Tibetans’ help due to Tibet terrain), and they did a fantastic job for PLA, because They were CPC freed slaves!
Recently I visited Lhasa, I am very surprised that the regular Tibetans’ lives are almost the same as shanghai.
In last 20 years, CPC systematically invests in all poor area of China, notably Tibet and Xinjiang, average people can access life style the same as the rest of China, which are life style never exists there before.
My Tibetan friends told me, the Tibetans who live in the Indian side are very jealous, and Indian government considers what CPC does to improve average Tibetans’ lives is terrorist behavior.
To be honest, after that, I Never worries about Tibet.
So I guess you will be deeply disappointed.
@@wenling3487 "Slave owners" like the Dalai Lama, eh? While I don't doubt that current CCP apparatchiks live more comfortable lives than prior to the invasion, occupation and colonization of Tibet by the CCP, the ethnic cleansing and religious suppression, land confiscation, torture and execution of dissenters likely means that open dissent or even discontent is somewhat rarely given voice. I do hope that the Chinese mainland is someday restored to the legitimate government of the Republic of China, and no Soviet-era Soviet-backed "acknowledgement" of the CCP nor acceptance by our own craven "leaders" into the UN can ever hide the stain of their ill conception. No matter how much history the CCP destroys, no matter how loudly they proclaim their propaganda, no matter the force of the violence they threaten with, the CCP are at their core nothing but bandits; and it is precisely because they, too, know that this is so that it offends them so deeply.
Very interesting and at the same time very educational channel.
I am thinking why we go there and why we come so close to them just few miles from their land.
Are we looking to make war?
It’s not really that much of a surprise really. I would be surprised if most nations don’t have a simulation of another nations assets.
Ayup!
Its gonna be a wild ride.
The USN & USCG tieing up along side was a great day here in Poneke Aotearoa. Because we and the EM sailors were still teenagers and teenagers are drawn to each other as teenagers always are we all had great times doing teenager things. Of course and naturally so these young fellas were keen to meet local girls and the local girls were keen as mustard to meet the young Americans just as their mother's did a generation earlier when young Marines trained here before tossing the Japanese out of Guadalcanal and everywhere else where the Japanese had set up camp. Now though and because of a regrettable Nuclear Free policy here and with USN policy of neither confirm or deny the presence of nuclear propulsion or armed, a stale-mate was reached and so since 1984/5 there has been, in my view, a regrettable absence of the reassuring sight of USN Grey alongside their usual berth at Taranaki Street wharf.
Nah it’s not a US carrier, it’s a bottle of Jack!
Power projection? Didn't a Chinese frigate turn up in the Med a few years back?
A country driven by fear and piracy shows the signs of a bully that would bite the hand that feeds them. Problems with such a large fleet is the costs, personnel, and purpose. The purpose issue leaves you to wonder if they are planning to take control over a more areas. The cost issue will require huge GDP and support program.
More than 50% of shipping in the region is ships sailing to or from China, so there is your task and purpose. Being a nation that is so heavily dependent on shipping while relying on others to secure the shipping lanes is plane stupid and borderline suicidal. And they are neither.
As far as costs go, China has the worlds largest GDP by PPP. And that one is the relevant one here because they build, supply and maintain their ships by themselves.
@@uegvdczuVF I tend to look at the weaknesses of a plan rather than the strengths. If your country only steals ideas for new products then your GDP is an imaginary number. Sooner or later the world will stand up and try to hold the bully accountable.
If that is all you believe in, then that’s good for you....you don't need to worry about China. Like they said: “move along, nothing to see here” Hahaha
@@XR0075 Assuming everyone doesn't know anything about China and their ability to create things is wrong. My Chinese name is Bai Li. Do you have a Chinese name? My experience in Chinese culture is dealing with the constant frustration, arguments, and fight to pirate and control.
I forgot to mention that today is a sunshiny day when it comes to Submarines and DVD about WW2 Submarines. Gonna settle in with the Ships Cat and my Wahine for what promises to be a Super Subday evening.
Stay safe and go well my brother over the sea.
Actually most countries do similar but on ground targets, chinas opponent is the US so it is only logic that they train in some way. It is effective as a guided bomb with a camera guidance is basically unjammable ( in theory) is why they made camera guided air to air missiles
So they have nuclear capabilities but how is there progress on reactors for these ships? Are these ships diesel powered or nuclear powered?
NGL, I thought they thought we all were built like a beer bottle for a minute😂
All this really shows is that the PRC are pragmatic government. Everyone should expect that the US is doing exactly the same for it’s most likely opponents...
Just look up USA's "Aggressor squadron" and how they used _Actual_ Soviet aircraft to train against.