Those cops should be ashamed with their interactions with those victims. Men need to be taken as seriously with their claims of domestic violence as women.
Well said sos ! In the UK it’s 1 in every 7 men are victims of abuse from an ex partner or. current partner. I think it’s likely far more than that after all most keep silent.
I fully agree. While I am ALL for the progress in the way women are viewed and am grateful for the women with the strength, determination and courage to finally stand up for ALL women and demand that we be treated with as much respect, faith and support as men are; FINALLY, taking back our God given right to no longer have to settle for a life where those around you decide FOR YOU. We finally get a say in our own lives. We most definitely have much more to work to do, but slow progress is better than no progress. But while it easy to assume that men are not in the same position, it couldn't be further from the truth. Yes, they get paid more (statistically, but not all employers are that ignorant). And yes, they get away with behavior, temperament, and actions that women get judged and condemned for (again this is not all men, just generally speaking). HOWEVER, when it comes to the more psychological and emotional aspects, men are judged, ridiculed, and disrespected buy others. If a man is the victim of DOMESTIC abuse, if a man is a victim of SE×UAL abuse. If a man dares to physically disply any form of emotional hardships or if a man dares to shead a tear.... they are made to feel like they are less like a man. They're ridiculed, judged, and ultimately brushed off. If we as a society where more aware of abused men, this poor man would have been less likely to be disregarded and blown off and he may possibly still be alive today and this story could have ended very different. We need to fight just as much for men living and experiencing threats or abuse of any kind, as we do for women. Equality will never happen if the only changes made benefit only one side. Equality is having the same rights, expectations, opportunities, and respect as those around us regardless of gender. We need to fight to stop the stigma that comes when a man reports any form of abuse and support them instead of judging the victim, embarrassing the victim and further traumatizing the victim. Expressing emotion does not make a weak man.
It's so tragic the police didn't take her husband seriously. I feel like this happens to a lot of men and why they don't receive help. The cop literally laughed at him. When they could have saved all of them. Terrifying. 💔
Charles Vallow had a million dollar life policy at the time of his death, and Lori had been the beneficiary of his policy for years. *THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE STORY* but I didn’t hear it mentioned? Lori was mega MEGA mad when she found out that she was NOT going to inherit the $1 million, because he recently changed the beneficiary to KAY! Because he was suspicious of Lori! The pool party she had the SAME DAY IN THE SAME HOUSE Alex killed Charles in cold blood, was HELD to “celebrate” becoming a millionaire spiritual leader!
Just listened and I heard no mention of any life insurance at all. But their cases often miss some pieces of the story, either they couldn't verify it with multiple sources, or perhaps an intentional or unintentional omission.
@@gauravjha8938 No, no, no, she already had narcissistic traits oozing out of her before she met him: euphoria, marriage, boredom... THREE times. That's how she found that lunatic: she was bored after euphoria led her to make the whole family move to another state and open a bar... she probably got bored of the bar, got bored of the husband, bar went out of business and she started to forget her family "to be God." The phony guru is a lowlife but she's the one with a very weak mind and narcissistic behavior. It's all about her. People who give that woman a free pass could have been one of her victims. lol
A man stood in front of a police officer stating his wife had abused him, threatened to kill him and his kids where in danger. The police officer had zero interest but if this had been a women stating this then, shelters, arrest and multiple wheels would be set in motion. This is why men don't share feelings or talk and maintain a high suicide rate.
They don't even take us woman series. I just left an abusive marriage that sent me to the hospital continously. No one cares. No one ever knows what to say.
I agree. The tone that cop had was like “WTF am I doing here. You’re really cramping my style tonight. I should be doing something much more productive than talking TO YOU”. I noticed it immediately and thought “this cop is a dick and has ZERO intention of taking him seriously”.
@@HandlesAreForPussies It should be, that is the point. It should have been documented and put into the computer, so when any issue comes up, when they search his name, BOOM, proof of premeditation of his murder.
That can be interpreted in many ways, financially, socially, no mention of physical harm was said. I'm not arguing on her behalf, I'm simply saying that's how the law works and usually if someone says that to another they aren't actually referring to taking their life. Still, definitely a red flag!
A death threat has to be specific about physical violence. "I will destroy you" is too vague to be actionable, because it might equally mean 'I will sue you into bankruptcy' or 'I will tell the world about (some shameful thing you've been up to)'. Seems Lori was clever enough to stay outside that line.
It's because normally it is the usual 'destroy you' aka take all your money, kick you out of your own house screaming 'abuse', while i bang the neighbor, get full custody of children, while spending the 'support' money on purses and bs. As you sleep in a hotel in poverty the rest of your life driving a 2002 Corolla because i also stole all the new vehicles. Female American dream 😂 I hope one day for divorce/child support reform, in this discriminatory and sexist industry. The story i told has happened to more men i personally know so imagine the millions it happens to and is the biggest motivation i have to not have kids and ESPECIALLY get a prenup if you ever get married.
I agree. There are a couple other videos (one in particular) I can think of that I had a hard time paying attention to as the narration just wasn’t up to par with this guy.
I've heard this story many times already and the most outrageous point is how the husband reported a death treats from her, and when he later gets killed by her brother in a very suspicious "self defense" they don't even do a proper investigation before accepting his words.
That has always bothered me also. Why an investigation was not done. It doesn't take much work to see how outrageous Lori was acting at the scene, Your x husband was just killed in your house and she is seen laughing and held a pool party. If police would have put the pieces together at that time. Those Children would still be alive. Lori was showing signs of coming unhinged her husband had tried to get help and talked to police about it. The whole thing is just sad.
The police never accepted the brother's words, and he was always suspected of murder. When they interviewed the brother's wife, she talked about the cops hounding him and him realizing that he was about to get the murder pinned on him. He died quickly before they had the chance to collect enough evidence and charge him. So I don't think the police ever bought his story. They just didn't have enough evidence to challenge his self defense claim and couldn't arrest him until the DA was ready. I'm sure it complicated things to know that the only witnesses were in the wind and that they couldn't go to trial without further testimony from Lori and Tylee.
Not only that, she did not follow up with anything else as to where his body was. When they asked for his watch collection he wanted them to have, she bought some cheap watches at the store and sent those to him. She even lied to them about his cause of death as she did to her own son.
@@boredweegie553 J.J. was Charles' nephew. Charles and Lori adopted him because his mother could not properly care for him. Kay is birth grandmother to J.J.
This story never fails to shock and horrify me. Seeing the innocent smiling faces of Tylee and JJ makes me so sad and angry for them. Also Charles Vallow and Chad's first wife did not deserve to die. Chad and Lori are truly vile individuals 😢
If the police would have taken Charles seriously, this could have been stopped. Lori is a psychopath and that nut she's with was the perfect deadly combo. RIP Charles, Tylee, and JJ 💔
Each time I see that footage with poor Charles Vallows being interrogated by that dismissive cop, I get angrier. You can clearly hear the derision in his voice. I hope this cop has many a sleepless night!!! Shame on him!
Not to mention the cop is acting this way AFTER the man's truck was taking from the airport, locks changed on HIS home and his ENTIRE SAVING TAKEN from his bank account... I would have ended up in jail with Felony charges for assault on a police officer...
I noticed that too!!! And they’re claiming he has an anger problem. If he had an anger problem there’s no way he’d be able to stay this calm with this a**hole
As soon as that police officer started asking questions, he made it seem like it was a bother to him and that he was irritated. I felt so bad for the husband. We put our trust into officers and when they act lik THIS it's truly unfair
Ugh cops never take anything serious until it's too late! I hate the lazy, unconcerned tone the cop has with the victim. I hope this is still eating them up
Yep! It's like they say "Sorry, he/she hasn't mur*ered you yet, so there isn't anything we can do! Call us back later after you've been k*lled".. So disgusting!
That's satan's (the devil) work in humans. I theorize that satan do his job in this type of crime category through brain diseases. Hoffman & Melinosky (2020) explain with validity that "Brain diseases come in different forms. Infections, trauma, stroke, seizures, and tumors are some of the major categories of brain diseases". Hoffman offers an overview of various diseases of the brain at webmd.
The first cop should face some sort of responsibility of not dealing with the situation correctly. On the other hand, this channel is my absolute favourite ❤️
That is only one of several times they failed him. It did get a protective order for her to be picked up and examined and an officer told her how to avoid it! There are two L.E. videos of him calling the police and in both he expresses his concern for her mental well being and the safety of the children - he was ignored both times!
@@bs5740 Joseph Ryan, Tylee's father, her third husband. He died the year before (2018) and many suspect Lori and/or Alex as responsible. It was suspicious enough that they reopened the investigation after the children were found; however, since Lori had them cremate him as soon as he was found, they only had past medical records to go on. Unfortunately, she was the only contact person they could find on any of his records. He had died several days before he was found; they put his death as natural, heart failure. She had put him through living hell trying to keep Tylee from seeing him even though he had visitation rights, had him in court repeatedly saying horrible things about him. She had also been recorded in a conversation with a group saying her bible said it was okay to murder someone if they offended you. Her first and second husbands must feel very lucky they got away from her and are still alive! Colby's father was her second husband. I seriously doubt any of us know someone who has had two husbands, two children, and a brother die within two years unless it was all in the same horrible auto/plane accident! Death doesn't just follow this woman - she drags it with her. When Joe died, she got his life insurance and then monthly S.S. benefits for Tylee. It might look like that whetted her appetite for easy money then Charles was murdered for his $1M life insurance (and S.S. benefits for J.J.). When she learned she was not getting that $1M, Tammy suddenly died after Chad increased her life insurance. I've no seen it disclosed if Alex had life insurance or not when he died and, of so, who was beneficiary. Because of J.J.'s disability (autism) and Tylee's benefits, she was getting $6K a month in S.S. benefits for the children. It seems highly likely she will spend time in prison for collecting benefits after their deaths if she should someone manage to avoid prison for their murders. From what I have read on their pages, S.S. fraud is not a jury trial but carries automatic prison sentences, and she clearly was not spending their benefits on them after they were murdered and buried but still collecting them. I somehow doubt she can convince them that J.J. was with Kay and Tylee was at college as she told others!
It seems that this police didn't believe Charles, but police arranged that Lori was mentally evaluated. She passed the evaluation by flying colours, unfortunately.
I think it's because the police had a long history of being called to that house. It can get pretty tiresome for them to constantly intervene with a bickering couple only to have them get back together the next day.
Every single time I see that body cam footage of that police officer it makes me sick....he acts like this is just SUCH an inconvenience! You can tell from the jump he dgaf. Wonder how that man sleeps at night today....wonder if it keeps him awake that he didn't take this man seriously. 🤔 now if this would have been a woman saying this about her husband they'd have jumped on it
This case is multi-layered, but failure by Police to take Charles seriously, was a hige failure. Lori also charmed the cops . What a terrible tragedy. I hope both are convicted for murder 1.
Charles absolutely TRIED to get attention put on Lori's insanity! BUT she's not legally incompetent, IMO, and shouldn't be allowed to claim that to avoid the consequences of her brutality! Everything Chad and Lori touched, DIED.
Lack of legal ability to do something, especially to testify or stand trial. Also known as "incompetency." May be caused by various types of disqualification, inability, or unfitness. Someone who is judged incompetent by means of a formal hearing may have a guardian appointed by the court.
One of her ex husbands also died. Before her current husband. Unfortunately they could not find anything to prove he was poisoned. Heart attack apparently. Her hand was in it all. Until her current husband met her, his late wife had no attempts on her life.
@@hazelhadley-britt6396 Yes!! Joseph Ryan was the ex husbands name who died during a bitter child custody case over Tylee. Lori said Joe sexually molested her, etc. Joes sister Annie has a channel here on UA-cam called Annielytics (something similar) if anyone would like to hear her connect the dots with Lori and her brother Joseph Ryan’s death.
She was also involved in the death of Tylee's father, Joseph Ryan and there has been speculation regarding her & Alex's involvement inthe untimely death of their sister, Melanie's mother.
@@chelleyd4020 They cannot prove anything because he was dead several days before being found and put his official cause of death as natural, the investigation into his death was reopened after finding the children's bodies. However, the circumstances surrounding it all point to Lori who collected his life insurance. In fact, that is what started her killing spree - she collected that and when it was gone, she stole the $35K from Charles' business account, then killed Charles (had Alex do it) to collect his $1M policy (Surprise! He had changed the beneficiary to his sister), then Tammy mysteriously died just after Chad increased her life insurance to the maximum! During the time until the time the bodies of the children were found (from September to June), Lori continued to collect $6K per month in S.S. benefits from their fathers' deaths.
@@chelleyd4020 Joseph Ryan’s sister Annie believes Lori had a hand in her brothers passing. Annie has a UA-cam channel on here called Annielytics (something similar) where she describes her reasoning behind thinking this. Joe and Lori were in a heated custody battle over Tylee and Lori had accused Joe of molesting Tylee. Everyone around Lori drops dead, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if Joes untimely death had something to do with Lori, too!
Visited friends in Rexburg last year. That whole town feels seriously evil. Had sleep paralysis every night I was there, never had it before, never since.
When people are THIS evil ~ and they go our their way to do evil deeds...is it the police who are doing deep evil? The cop speaking to Lori's ex....there is very little that he could have done.. the more he tries to explain the worse it gets..... These demons are killing their spouses, kids, brothers, and God knows who else and how many ...then there are Judges and DAs. They also span different Cities, States, Countries...very difficult to keep these two hammered down.. this is like spree killers gone wrong.. Police are foot soldiers. I'm not sure what you think police should do when someone brings them a story like this..in all truthfulness....there is nothing to be done other than what can be. The officer sounded reasonable .....he didn't have power to DO anything!! It's unfortunate...but you want police to do what. If police had more power and used it, then what would be going on? Because no one would want that either. I think ppl took a lot seriously;.Lori had her daughter LIE FOR HER. Her brother killed FOR her...got away with it, and then they killed him to. So even her little minions....didn't matter .she threw a pool party, a Murdering Pool Party!! Yeah!! Blame the police 🙄..
The cops are complicit. Absolutely, they can detain her for a 5150, write a report, contact social services, maybe even investigate with family and neighbors? Just to be clear that’s their job. Those are standard procedures. Keep in mind cops make up 40% of domestic abusers-so of course they’re inept in dealing with domestic issues. Only 4% of police work is spent on violent crimes so maybe, yah, they should do their jobs or reconsider their “protect and serve” motto and stop wasting tax payers money.
@@smalltowngirlbigcityheart3724 There was bloodshed. Lori told cops Charles was dead bc she refused to give him his phone. Lori fled the scene while her husband of 15 years bled out on her floor so that she could go to Burger King. Lori laughed and joked upon her return, then hosted a pool party the same day as-if nothing happened. Yet to imbecile investigators, this behavior is perfectly normal, no questions required.
Considering Mormons believe marriage is sealed before God to last eternally I’m thinking she really wasn’t as religious as she said she was… married FIVE times??!? That’s a little many by any standard much less for a “very devout” Mormon. I guess it’s a moot point after what she did, but that was a sign she wasn’t that good a person from the beginning.
Had that rude and condescending officer took him seriously, he might still be alive right now... My heart breaks for the grandfather. God bless that sweet man. I cant even imagine what those 2 poor kids had to go through... 😔
20:37 - "The authorities were forced to accept his rejection (Chad's rejection of Tammy's autopsy) without asking any further questions." Are you kidding me? No they weren't "forced" to accept it! Of course they could have asked questions!
Yeah I nearly choked when I heard that part. I wonder how many murderers in that area get away with 'refusing an autopsy'. ... a lot of murderers research the areas laws and procedures well and will know it's possible to refuse an autopsy if they can make the death look 'natural' We truly reside in Clown World and not the funny kind.
I remember seeing the interrogations for this. Where the daughter stood up for her mom after the first murder, just for the mom to murder her later…so sad. ❤
There was one Melanie woman who was Lori's best friend who did eventually come out with a bunch of details, but yes I'm sure there is much to learn of them.
I was just posting a comment about that. Several members of his church have been investigated for mysterious deaths and life insurance payouts. And Lori's friend testified that Daybell apporached her about killing her own husband. One of the members has widowed a few husbands and left to start her own church in Arkansas. This church might just be a cover for an insurance murder ring.
I’ve seen this case on other channels, but have heard some things here that I hadn’t heard previously. This narrator is awesome and hold your attention!
Gotta love this one 🤦♀️ Charles tells police his wife threatened to destroy him and the answer to that is oh that's not a threat??? No dude, I'm pretty sure that's a threat. No wonder men feel unable to come forward for help.
That first cop answering the call is absolutely tit worthless. Tell him you will "destroy" him and see if he doesn't arrest you for threatening a police officer's life. I would have demanded to speak to a higher functioning supervisor to take my report.
I’ve watched and listened to this story twice before and this is the first time I’ve been able to understand the chronology and how all these people were connected. Great job!
This is an unbelievable story. I couldn't believe they found those kids in that man's yard! And for all these adults to be involved and not one thought there was something wrong???? It's just insane. Love your channel!!!💜
@Sam Antha Agreed, they had a LOT of people involved in this scheme and even started killing some people off! It must have been really hard to keep up, and the kids disappearing was the final straw, but this is so convoluted and beyond most peoples understanding, it’s not shocking many didn’t see it was going to get this bad.
I started dating a girl and came home from work and she was standing inside with a pistol claiming I really hadn't been working and was really cheating and all kind of nonsense. Its strange how police and people don't take men seriously yet if the reverse happened they'd be all over it. Luckily I talked my way close to her and snatched the pistol and told her were done and she ever pull a gun on me again I'd have no choice to defend myself. Then she stalked me and police done nothing. So I got so fed up and walked out and shattered her windshield.
This convoluted story has been covered by many media outlets. Of the handful I’ve seen, Beyond Evil/The Fear Files lays out its details most clearly and concisely. It also uses the most primary source material. Great job! Keep up the good (albeit macabre) work.
I remember when all of this unfolded. I thought to myself as soon as they announced that the last photos showed the kids at a national park, "That's where they'll find the bodies." I was wrong; they were found elsewhere, but it was pretty obvious based on her behavior and everything else happening with her travels that those children were dead. It just took extra long to unravel the whereabouts.
I think most of us (including the authorities) thought Tylee never left the park. That might have been the plan but it was too busy with tourists that day. If Kay Woodcock (Charles' sister and J.J.'s grandmother) had not been so persistent about finding the children, this may have all gone with no consequences. Chad had applied for a permit for a concrete pad for a trailer apparently where the children were buried; they would never have been found then.
Every...... everything on this case could have been avoided 😌 EVERYTHING!!!!!!!! It makes me highly nauseated knowing poor Charles TRIED.....AND TRIED to alert WHO HE NEEDED TO....EVERYONE FAILED HIM! AWFUL
I followed this case from the beginning, I was horrified by her attitude she believed she was a goddess,and wickedness, there is a trail of bodies she’s left behind including her 2 kids , I don’t know how she managed to get incompetency but I await the day they’re both on trial to get what they deserve!
Remember, she was only judged incompetent to assist in her defense which has nothing to do with incompetency for the deaths. She is self-involved enough to think if she can stall long enough that it will all go away. SURPRISE! It won't.
@@hazelhadley-britt6396 it definitely was her decision but I don't think she'd want to get her hands dirty especially since Alex seemed to be her personal assassin.
I was wondering what Chad reminded me of and you hit the nail on the head. A big fat tub of lard! He's repulsive to me with his big fat head and neck that look like a giant thumb.
It is so frustrating to see how not concerning the police are about her threat.. it's like they're just like "oh she's a woman." She has rights to be with the kids. Oh well she stole all your money and car and said terrible things. It's no biggie. - now look at all this destruction that she has done. Maybe they should take this claim seriously! From the beginning.
I thought the same thing. They should have taken her threats seriously. I mean, look what happened. That cop acted like it was a joke. Obviously he called cause he had a feeling something was wrong with her behavior.
Cops should have taken her seriously. Feels like a case of, "Go home and control your wife." Kind of attitude. Yeah role reversal would have been different. Cops take a man seriously when he threatens someone. Disgraceful behavior.
The trouble is that under the law, it's not a threat unless there's a specific statement of intended retribution that would be unlawful to carry through (typically, physical violence). Threatening to use your spiritual powers to 'destroy' someone -- 'destroy' being a very vague term that can include things like suing someone into bankruptcy -- is not a legally actionable threat.
How can a person be deeply religious and get married 5-6-7 times ? Is that a Mormon thing ? What did her deeply religious family think of her bed hopping under the guise of being married ? She's a real piece of work that one she is ! GROSS ! RIP Tyler and JJ. My Sincere Condolences to Their Grandparents, whom without raising the alarm who knows how long these kids would have been missing without being noticed. For your never ending sadness I am truly sorry. May peace of soul someday find you !
No, being LDS, it’s pretty uncommon to see divorces in the church, let alone multiple divorces like that woman experienced. Our church discourages divorce except for certain circumstances such as abuse etc. honestly her action before being involved in murder isn’t a typical member of our church. What it sounds like in my opinion was she was fed some mixture of doctrine from our church and distorted false doctrine and it destroyed her. We don’t believe in reincarnation like that Women believed. I honestly don’t really think she should be considered a member of our church even before she was involved with murder…
@@calebpotter7241 Were not both Lori and Chad excommunicated (or whatever LDS calls it)? The big thing around the divorce is why Chad could not remarry after a divorce but Lori could which is why Tammy had to die!
Honestly, aren’t most extremist, fundamentalist religious denominations & sects perfect breeding grounds for narcissism & delusions of grandiosity plus magical thinking (“‘God’ loves me and not X bc I am devout, special, chosen, etc.”)? Some of the worst child abusers and truly horrible (extremely selfish & self-righteous) people I’ve met or known about bc they severely abused my friends were religious fundamentalists. People who think in Dark Ages terms should be avoided by those who value rationality (including that at the basis of the sciences) and secular humanism. Cult-like religionists’ thinking is not only creepy & bizarre but utterly backwards and is not compatible with any modern society. And yes, I consider fundamentalist churches/groups cult-like in many obvious ways.
Lori said in her interrogation that Charles forgot his cell phone inside and came back in to get it and she refused to give it to him, demanding to see what was on it and leading him down towards Tylee's room, and Tylee came out with a bat, Charles disarmed her, there was a scuffle with Alex and he shot Charles while she wasn't looking but was inside. JJ was in Charles car waiting to be driven to school. She was there and she taunted him, refusing to give up his phone to instigate an argument during which Charles was never physical aggressor.
There’s a minor typo in the segment introducing chad as a religious author. In the cc, Missing the letter “g” from “religious”. Wanted to let you know because you’re clearly very serious about your craft:This channel is so well done, and every episode is polished and relevant.
Chad's bumbling speech was riddled with clues as to his mental state. It was a very emotional and important speech and he was nervous nobody would believe him.
THIS is why More need to be done for Men in abusive situations... The ONLY thing the media portrays is abused women AND it needs to stop immediately. Charles was treated as if he was just being a whining, wimpy man and that's heartbreaking.
This is so sad and heartbreaking. I remember watching the Grandparents of JJ Vallow on Dr. Phil begging Lori to release the kids to them and she didn't seem bothered when the reporters were asking her.
Jeezus! The original Cop who Charles tried appealing to was extremely short and dismissive with him. I wonder if he's proud of his conduct now, if he ever sees that footage, and how well he thinks he did. Now that Charles' fears turned out to be so prophetically accurate, about Lori. It's actually quite infuriating. 🔥
Its just the hypocrisy of their beliefs. They themselves are the evil zombies. Because how do you kill your own child and be able to prance around Hawaii wearing their white linen.
As a retired LAPD Officer.....I have mixed feelings about the way the Officer handled it. While it was cringe and very hard to watch........ I also know that there are countless possible variables that we may not be aware of. How many calls to that address have the police dealt with? Cops are human and can miss clues that in hindsight may have saved lives. Domestic issues are not cut and dry absent physical harm. Threats of death are not always actionable and laws typically require not just words but that the suspect have the ability to carry the threat out. The cop was rude and seemed very disinterested and condescending. But let us not forget that hindsight is 2020
This is just one tragic case. I really hope that they get justice for the kids. And that Lori and Chad get their punishment. Because to do what was done to those precious children they should get the harshest punishment. Thanks for covering this case 🙏
@BLNK BLNKRSN I’d also like to know how the other siblings turned out and their view of her insanity since her brother Adam was reasonable when Charles reached out to him about Alex/Lori
I believe there was something incestuous with her brother Alex and her, their relationship was weird as fuck, he also abandoned two of lori’s pet dogs in the desert, he was as evil as she was imo
Doesn't matter, many people come from abusive or violent homes. We have a choice to be shit people or let our past destroy us. She knew exactly what she was doing.
There's a few things I'm grateful for about this whole terrifying situation. The kids bodies were found and layed to rest by loved ones. That everyone sees through both perpetrators. That Lori is getting the mental help needed so she WILL face a jury of her peers. And that the perpetrators will also have to face the people that their (alleged) crimes/murders affected. Everything the two (allegedly) did honestly makes me sick to my stomach. And I hope the others locked up with them show them each exactly how unkindly they take to people who kill (allegedly) children.
As Nettie said, the children's bodies are still in custody though the family has had memorial services for both of them. They will likely remain in custody until after the trials and all appeals have been exhausted. The family surely understands the necessity of it under the circumstances of this case though it adds even more pain for them.
This is like the 3rd or 4th different time I have watched this case... and you nailed it, this is the best case breakdown I've seen,, it took me 6 mins to realise "oh yeah I've seen this" you went back farther in her past then other vids did. Well done mate
Thanks for giving some clarity to this confused and sinister case. Just looking at these multiple murderers smiling is sickening. Her own children! Ghastly.
Read an update. On May 12th, she was found guilty of 1st degree murder and sentenced to two life sentences. They are also looking to charge her with conspiracy for Charles's death. RIP to all those who lost their lives to this evil woman.
Lori is the poster child for cold and calculating. I watched the interviews with her after Charles was killed. The day Alex shot Charles, she had grabbed Charles' phone like a teenager acting stupid and refused to give it back to him. They argued because Charles wanted his phone back and she kept it away from him, snatching it out of his reach and moving away. If Lori never took Charles' phone he would have left immediately and there would have been no altercation. Alex is not innocent, they twisted the facts after he had shot Charles because the only person who knew the truth is dead. Lori only left to take JJ to school after the shooting had already occured, she left Alex to deal with it and removed herself from the scene. Killing your own children is a whole 'nother level of callous. May Lori and Chad rot in jail for all the lives they have destroyed.
I've seen a lot of coverage on these kids and it's sadder each time. 😢 One thing remains the same though, and that's how much Lori is an evil POS. I hope she never knows a moments peace. And Chad, I wish you the same.
Fear Files..yoy do a fabulous job of investigating and relaying this twisted, crazy, horrific story. I've learned so much more about this case in 27 minutes than the months of following media news reports and flash headlines. Thank you :)
I don't thinkni can handle another "shocking' case after this. I'm still shocked and dumbfounded and sick to the pit of my stomach. My mind is just so unsettled after that..WTF. I'm gonna have to take time out.
Editor's note - Photo at 1:15 is not Lori. Sorry about that, please don't fire me Fear Files LoL
Dropped the ball on that one lmao
That's Lori's niece Melanie and her hubby Brandon 😂
lol dont stress,all good.
It happens!! 🤪
Heads up appreciated :)
Those cops should be ashamed with their interactions with those victims. Men need to be taken as seriously with their claims of domestic violence as women.
@Rebecca Sweet Just the absolute disinterest for Charles. It was so hard knowing the outcome.
Well said sos ! In the UK it’s 1 in every 7 men are victims of abuse from an ex partner or. current partner. I think it’s likely far more than that after all most keep silent.
@@JanJan-gy7qp Which is so sad! Men deserve to feel their emotions and express them as much as women. :(
I fully agree. While I am ALL for the progress in the way women are viewed and am grateful for the women with the strength, determination and courage to finally stand up for ALL women and demand that we be treated with as much respect, faith and support as men are; FINALLY, taking back our God given right to no longer have to settle for a life where those around you decide FOR YOU. We finally get a say in our own lives. We most definitely have much more to work to do, but slow progress is better than no progress. But while it easy to assume that men are not in the same position, it couldn't be further from the truth. Yes, they get paid more (statistically, but not all employers are that ignorant). And yes, they get away with behavior, temperament, and actions that women get judged and condemned for (again this is not all men, just generally speaking). HOWEVER, when it comes to the more psychological and emotional aspects, men are judged, ridiculed, and disrespected buy others. If a man is the victim of DOMESTIC abuse, if a man is a victim of SE×UAL abuse. If a man dares to physically disply any form of emotional hardships or if a man dares to shead a tear.... they are made to feel like they are less like a man. They're ridiculed, judged, and ultimately brushed off. If we as a society where more aware of abused men, this poor man would have been less likely to be disregarded and blown off and he may possibly still be alive today and this story could have ended very different. We need to fight just as much for men living and experiencing threats or abuse of any kind, as we do for women. Equality will never happen if the only changes made benefit only one side. Equality is having the same rights, expectations, opportunities, and respect as those around us regardless of gender. We need to fight to stop the stigma that comes when a man reports any form of abuse and support them instead of judging the victim, embarrassing the victim and further traumatizing the victim. Expressing emotion does not make a weak man.
@@yurdybarger3344 I completely agree
The cop that brushed Charles off needs to be fired. He was dismissive from the very beginning.
Cop weak for blondes?
@Boston Gal "To protect and Serve". It's literally in their motto.
He did his job
AGREED!
Hindsight is 20/20. The cop must’ve found the story too outrageous to be true plus she wasn’t there so he couldn’t observe her physically
It's so tragic the police didn't take her husband seriously. I feel like this happens to a lot of men and why they don't receive help. The cop literally laughed at him. When they could have saved all of them. Terrifying. 💔
Cop should get some kind of punishment
I know. I saw bodycam footage of this officer talking to the husband and it made me so upset how nonchalant he was
Those cops didnt care at all, but if the roles were reversed they would have been all over it
@@jonathanneagle4006 I completely agree!💔
They don't take any abused victim serious no matter the sex.
Charles Vallow had a million dollar life policy at the time of his death, and Lori had been the beneficiary of his policy for years.
*THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE STORY* but I didn’t hear it mentioned?
Lori was mega MEGA mad when she found out that she was NOT going to inherit the $1 million, because he recently changed the beneficiary to KAY!
Because he was suspicious of Lori! The pool party she had the SAME DAY IN THE SAME HOUSE Alex killed Charles in cold blood, was HELD to “celebrate” becoming a millionaire spiritual leader!
🤯
It's mentioned in the Netflix docuserie (sorry for my english). And then Tammy/Tammie (Chad's wife dies) and Chad takes the money.
It's mad to think Alex got away with killing Charles so easily especially when charles had already told the cop Lori threatened to murder him
Who is Kay? His mom?
Just listened and I heard no mention of any life insurance at all.
But their cases often miss some pieces of the story, either they couldn't verify it with multiple sources, or perhaps an intentional or unintentional omission.
Someone needs to let Lori know, the only dark, evil person, is the one she sees in the mirror!
Amen!
Yes
& the person who taught her about Dark People….
@@gauravjha8938 No, no, no, she already had narcissistic traits oozing out of her before she met him: euphoria, marriage, boredom... THREE times. That's how she found that lunatic: she was bored after euphoria led her to make the whole family move to another state and open a bar... she probably got bored of the bar, got bored of the husband, bar went out of business and she started to forget her family "to be God."
The phony guru is a lowlife but she's the one with a very weak mind and narcissistic behavior. It's all about her. People who give that woman a free pass could have been one of her victims. lol
Special place in hell for these demons
A man stood in front of a police officer stating his wife had abused him, threatened to kill him and his kids where in danger. The police officer had zero interest but if this had been a women stating this then, shelters, arrest and multiple wheels would be set in motion.
This is why men don't share feelings or talk and maintain a high suicide rate.
That’s the sexist feminazi society we live in.
They don't even take us woman series. I just left an abusive marriage that sent me to the hospital continously. No one cares. No one ever knows what to say.
Exactly.
@@miguelgonzales8887 incel 😂
@@simonaclutter3138 why an incel? I happen to agree with the feminazi comment and I am a female. I know many females who would agree with it.
I actually feel bad for Charles. He did the right thing and went to the police and they basically treated him like he was unworthy to speak with hin
How did the officer treat him unworthy?
@@johnny10grasp3 uhhhhhh did you watch the video? read literally any other comment on this video for the answer to your stupid question
I agree. The tone that cop had was like “WTF am I doing here. You’re really cramping my style tonight. I should be doing something much more productive than talking TO YOU”.
I noticed it immediately and thought “this cop is a dick and has ZERO intention of taking him seriously”.
Agreed! The cop was rude and acted like he had no patience when the guy was trying to explain how she was acting strange.
I agree. Poor guy. He was nice. Wicked wife
The fact that the cop says to Charles that Lori telling him "I will destroy you." Isn't a threat of death is just crazy to me.
Yes i concur completely God bless you Completely shocking to be so flippant of them, isn't it 😕Yet they criminlise some complete innocent folk too😢🙏
@@HandlesAreForPussies It should be, that is the point. It should have been documented and put into the computer, so when any issue comes up, when they search his name, BOOM, proof of premeditation of his murder.
That can be interpreted in many ways, financially, socially, no mention of physical harm was said. I'm not arguing on her behalf, I'm simply saying that's how the law works and usually if someone says that to another they aren't actually referring to taking their life. Still, definitely a red flag!
A death threat has to be specific about physical violence. "I will destroy you" is too vague to be actionable, because it might equally mean 'I will sue you into bankruptcy' or 'I will tell the world about (some shameful thing you've been up to)'.
Seems Lori was clever enough to stay outside that line.
It's because normally it is the usual 'destroy you' aka take all your money, kick you out of your own house screaming 'abuse', while i bang the neighbor, get full custody of children, while spending the 'support' money on purses and bs. As you sleep in a hotel in poverty the rest of your life driving a 2002 Corolla because i also stole all the new vehicles. Female American dream 😂 I hope one day for divorce/child support reform, in this discriminatory and sexist industry. The story i told has happened to more men i personally know so imagine the millions it happens to and is the biggest motivation i have to not have kids and ESPECIALLY get a prenup if you ever get married.
The way Alex was so calm speaking with the police on the phone saying he shot someone gives me chills
My heart bleeds for JJ's grandparents, and all relatives for people who were killed.
Can you use this narrator for EVERY video? He has fantastic tone and diction, I could listen to this guy read a phone book.
love his voice just like chris hanson
Annoying is the word you're looking for.
Me too 👍🏼💯
I have to agree. I wear two hearing aids and yet often have to rely on the captions. Thank you.
I agree. There are a couple other videos (one in particular) I can think of that I had a hard time paying attention to as the narration just wasn’t up to par with this guy.
I've heard this story many times already and the most outrageous point is how the husband reported a death treats from her, and when he later gets killed by her brother in a very suspicious "self defense" they don't even do a proper investigation before accepting his words.
That has always bothered me also. Why an investigation was not done. It doesn't take much work to see how outrageous Lori was acting at the scene, Your x husband was just killed in your house and she is seen laughing and held a pool party. If police would have put the pieces together at that time. Those Children would still be alive. Lori was showing signs of coming unhinged her husband had tried to get help and talked to police about it. The whole thing is just sad.
@@brendakopsa Yeah all of this is just crazy!!!
The police obviously didn't give a fuck! If they had then at the very least the kids would've still been alive!
It is chilling how easily the brazen (white) can get away with anything FOR A TIME-
Notice that these loons HAVE been arrested.
The police never accepted the brother's words, and he was always suspected of murder. When they interviewed the brother's wife, she talked about the cops hounding him and him realizing that he was about to get the murder pinned on him. He died quickly before they had the chance to collect enough evidence and charge him. So I don't think the police ever bought his story. They just didn't have enough evidence to challenge his self defense claim and couldn't arrest him until the DA was ready. I'm sure it complicated things to know that the only witnesses were in the wind and that they couldn't go to trial without further testimony from Lori and Tylee.
i’m sorry she TEXTED those kids that their father was killed? that’s a whole different level of cold
Not only that, she did not follow up with anything else as to where his body was. When they asked for his watch collection he wanted them to have, she bought some cheap watches at the store and sent those to him. She even lied to them about his cause of death as she did to her own son.
Ikr disrespectful and disgusting
the boy was her husband's nephew or something but not his son
@@boredweegie553 J.J. was Charles' nephew. Charles and Lori adopted him because his mother could not properly care for him. Kay is birth grandmother to J.J.
@@boredweegie553 I think he was, his nephew. I can't keep up with this case it's crazy
This story never fails to shock and horrify me. Seeing the innocent smiling faces of Tylee and JJ makes me so sad and angry for them. Also Charles Vallow and Chad's first wife did not deserve to die. Chad and Lori are truly vile individuals 😢
No one deserved to die.
If the police would have taken Charles seriously, this could have been stopped. Lori is a psychopath and that nut she's with was the perfect deadly combo. RIP Charles, Tylee, and JJ 💔
It is not the job of the police to protect citizens from harm.
Each time I see that footage with poor Charles Vallows being interrogated by that dismissive cop, I get angrier. You can clearly hear the derision in his voice. I hope this cop has many a sleepless night!!! Shame on him!
All because they don’t believe him.
i agree. it’s so hard to watch. bless his soul
@Rebecca Sweet so do I!!!! I'll park my ass on the sidewalk in front of his house and yell "Shame...shame...shame" ala GOT style.
I was thinking the same!! He's actin lyk a judge
@dražen g Probably never!
Lori: “I will have you destroyed”
Cops: “that’s not a threat to kill you lol”
WTF THAT ABSOLUTELY SOUNDS LIKE A THREAT TO ME ??? HELLO?????????
I mean, people have dogs destroyed. It's as clear a threat on his life as anything
Not really, that usually means they will " destroy " you financially or your reputation.
Its because hes a man
& shes a blonde
That is the part that upsets me the most!! It's unbelievable they treated him like a joke!! Like be a "man" and this is the problem!!
@@andysalter7192 exactly
Charles was way more patient with the policeman than I could have been..cop had an attitude
Facts!!
Not to mention the cop is acting this way AFTER the man's truck was taking from the airport, locks changed on HIS home and his ENTIRE SAVING TAKEN from his bank account... I would have ended up in jail with Felony charges for assault on a police officer...
I noticed that too!!! And they’re claiming he has an anger problem. If he had an anger problem there’s no way he’d be able to stay this calm with this a**hole
U forgot to add the word problem in the very last sentence 😸
@@reshaelane9621 She's just like a findom.
As soon as that police officer started asking questions, he made it seem like it was a bother to him and that he was irritated. I felt so bad for the husband.
We put our trust into officers and when they act lik THIS it's truly unfair
Ugh cops never take anything serious until it's too late! I hate the lazy, unconcerned tone the cop has with the victim. I hope this is still eating them up
Yep! It's like they say "Sorry, he/she hasn't mur*ered you yet, so there isn't anything we can do! Call us back later after you've been k*lled".. So disgusting!
It's amazes me that a mom can do this to her kids and then walk around like nothing happened. The poor kids and dad
well,one child was hers but yes, regardless it's horrifying.
Yes. Her poor brother and parents.
She was a religious psycho
That's satan's (the devil) work in humans. I theorize that satan do his job in this type of crime category through brain diseases. Hoffman & Melinosky (2020) explain with validity that "Brain diseases come in different forms. Infections, trauma, stroke, seizures, and tumors are some of the major categories of brain diseases". Hoffman offers an overview of various diseases of the brain at webmd.
They don't take women seriously either. Despite the complaints, the tell tale signs, they usually wait till the woman is dead to arrest the creep.
This is incompetent police work from beginning to end. The lack of concern by that first cop was appalling.
Mormon - heavily religious - multiple divorces. Those 3 things don't work together.
Thank you! I’m not even Mormon, but it did seem that she has a cavalier attitude to sacred bonds even before her beliefs took a truly toxic turn.
Murder doesn’t seem to be a bad thing for them either !?
@Roo Wyrm
They certainly do work together. Mormonism is a (space alien) Cult, and all cults are riddled with contradictions .
Thats exactly what I thought when I heard this!! I am not religious at all but I am Mother Theresa next to Lori 😂
murdering your children doesn't go either but...here we are
The first cop should face some sort of responsibility of not dealing with the situation correctly.
On the other hand, this channel is my absolute favourite ❤️
It is not the job of the police to protect citizens from harm.
"She was a free-spirit" - usually a nice way of saying a gal was flaky, promiscuous and liked a drink.
No l don't think so.🤔 You are correct! .just looked it up . I say l am a free spirit,.😳 I AM never GOING TO USE that saying again!. Wow!.
People are adverse in general to use the correct words: *JUST PLAIN EVIL.* Evil: def., “Malevolent.”
Hahahah!! Hilarious
@@redfo3009idiot.
Cops failed Charles. 5 people would be alive if they just took him serious. But who knows what would happen if Alex was still living.
That is only one of several times they failed him. It did get a protective order for her to be picked up and examined and an officer told her how to avoid it! There are two L.E. videos of him calling the police and in both he expresses his concern for her mental well being and the safety of the children - he was ignored both times!
Charles, the kids and the the monsters brother?? Who is the fifth?
@@bs5740 Joseph Ryan, Tylee's father, her third husband. He died the year before (2018) and many suspect Lori and/or Alex as responsible. It was suspicious enough that they reopened the investigation after the children were found; however, since Lori had them cremate him as soon as he was found, they only had past medical records to go on. Unfortunately, she was the only contact person they could find on any of his records. He had died several days before he was found; they put his death as natural, heart failure. She had put him through living hell trying to keep Tylee from seeing him even though he had visitation rights, had him in court repeatedly saying horrible things about him. She had also been recorded in a conversation with a group saying her bible said it was okay to murder someone if they offended you. Her first and second husbands must feel very lucky they got away from her and are still alive! Colby's father was her second husband.
I seriously doubt any of us know someone who has had two husbands, two children, and a brother die within two years unless it was all in the same horrible auto/plane accident! Death doesn't just follow this woman - she drags it with her.
When Joe died, she got his life insurance and then monthly S.S. benefits for Tylee. It might look like that whetted her appetite for easy money then Charles was murdered for his $1M life insurance (and S.S. benefits for J.J.). When she learned she was not getting that $1M, Tammy suddenly died after Chad increased her life insurance. I've no seen it disclosed if Alex had life insurance or not when he died and, of so, who was beneficiary.
Because of J.J.'s disability (autism) and Tylee's benefits, she was getting $6K a month in S.S. benefits for the children. It seems highly likely she will spend time in prison for collecting benefits after their deaths if she should someone manage to avoid prison for their murders. From what I have read on their pages, S.S. fraud is not a jury trial but carries automatic prison sentences, and she clearly was not spending their benefits on them after they were murdered and buried but still collecting them. I somehow doubt she can convince them that J.J. was with Kay and Tylee was at college as she told others!
@@bs5740 The other monster’s wife.
@@bs5740 my mistake. Got a little too passionate.
The Arizona cop seems as if he didn’t believe a word Charles was saying, I wonder how he feels now that everyone that was around Lauri is dead
It seems that this police didn't believe Charles, but police arranged that Lori was mentally evaluated. She passed the evaluation by flying colours, unfortunately.
@@caritalappi1659 considering she manipulated 5 different men into marrying her a simple mental evaluation was light work for her sadly
The same way the cops in Moab feel.
Probably no different
I think it's because the police had a long history of being called to that house. It can get pretty tiresome for them to constantly intervene with a bickering couple only to have them get back together the next day.
Every single time I see that body cam footage of that police officer it makes me sick....he acts like this is just SUCH an inconvenience! You can tell from the jump he dgaf. Wonder how that man sleeps at night today....wonder if it keeps him awake that he didn't take this man seriously. 🤔 now if this would have been a woman saying this about her husband they'd have jumped on it
This case is multi-layered, but failure by Police to take Charles seriously, was a hige failure. Lori also charmed the cops . What a terrible tragedy. I hope both are convicted for murder 1.
He really tried to run from the scene 😑 Omgggg this entire situation is so horrific!!! How do the most sick people always find each other?!?!
Charles absolutely TRIED to get attention put on Lori's insanity! BUT she's not legally incompetent, IMO, and shouldn't be allowed to claim that to avoid the consequences of her brutality! Everything Chad and Lori touched, DIED.
She isn't by definition incompetent. She successfully kill her kids
Lack of legal ability to do something, especially to testify or stand trial. Also known as "incompetency." May be caused by various types of disqualification, inability, or unfitness. Someone who is judged incompetent by means of a formal hearing may have a guardian appointed by the court.
She's definitely unfit to be a mother. Prosecutors....I'm sure will argue that fact. If not we got trash prosecutors
One of her ex husbands also died. Before her current husband. Unfortunately they could not find anything to prove he was poisoned. Heart attack apparently.
Her hand was in it all. Until her current husband met her, his late wife had no attempts on her life.
@@hazelhadley-britt6396 Yes!! Joseph Ryan was the ex husbands name who died during a bitter child custody case over Tylee. Lori said Joe sexually molested her, etc. Joes sister Annie has a channel here on UA-cam called Annielytics (something similar) if anyone would like to hear her connect the dots with Lori and her brother Joseph Ryan’s death.
She was also involved in the death of Tylee's father, Joseph Ryan and there has been speculation regarding her & Alex's involvement inthe untimely death of their sister, Melanie's mother.
Where did you hear she was involved in Joseph Ryan’s death?
@@chelleyd4020 They cannot prove anything because he was dead several days before being found and put his official cause of death as natural, the investigation into his death was reopened after finding the children's bodies. However, the circumstances surrounding it all point to Lori who collected his life insurance. In fact, that is what started her killing spree - she collected that and when it was gone, she stole the $35K from Charles' business account, then killed Charles (had Alex do it) to collect his $1M policy (Surprise! He had changed the beneficiary to his sister), then Tammy mysteriously died just after Chad increased her life insurance to the maximum! During the time until the time the bodies of the children were found (from September to June), Lori continued to collect $6K per month in S.S. benefits from their fathers' deaths.
@TamaraCladeron AND, Lori and her siblings had a baby sister who died… some speculate that Lori may have had a hand in killing her, too!
@@chelleyd4020 Joseph Ryan’s sister Annie believes Lori had a hand in her brothers passing. Annie has a UA-cam channel on here called Annielytics (something similar) where she describes her reasoning behind thinking this. Joe and Lori were in a heated custody battle over Tylee and Lori had accused Joe of molesting Tylee. Everyone around Lori drops dead, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if Joes untimely death had something to do with Lori, too!
Wow. Losing count!
“Lori what happened” broke my heart. She broke the news like it was a casual friendly text. Sickening.
Visited friends in Rexburg last year. That whole town feels seriously evil. Had sleep paralysis every night I was there, never had it before, never since.
Oh man, I can't wait for the trial and for Justice to be served!
I really don't believe she believes her kids were zombies. I think she wanted life insurance and money from her wonderful husband. 😈 🦹♀️ 👿 🖤 🙈
Surprise, surprise. The cops did nothing.
When people are THIS evil ~ and they go our their way to do evil deeds...is it the police who are doing deep evil? The cop speaking to Lori's ex....there is very little that he could have done.. the more he tries to explain the worse it gets.....
These demons are killing their spouses, kids, brothers, and God knows who else and how many ...then there are Judges and DAs. They also span different Cities, States, Countries...very difficult to keep these two hammered down.. this is like spree killers gone wrong..
Police are foot soldiers. I'm not sure what you think police should do when someone brings them a story like this..in all truthfulness....there is nothing to be done other than what can be. The officer sounded reasonable .....he didn't have power to DO anything!! It's unfortunate...but you want police to do what.
If police had more power and used it, then what would be going on? Because no one would want that either.
I think ppl took a lot seriously;.Lori had her daughter LIE FOR HER. Her brother killed FOR her...got away with it, and then they killed him to. So even her little minions....didn't matter
.she threw a pool party, a Murdering Pool Party!! Yeah!! Blame the police 🙄..
The cops are complicit. Absolutely, they can detain her for a 5150, write a report, contact social services, maybe even investigate with family and neighbors? Just to be clear that’s their job. Those are standard procedures. Keep in mind cops make up 40% of domestic abusers-so of course they’re inept in dealing with domestic issues. Only 4% of police work is spent on violent crimes so maybe, yah, they should do their jobs or reconsider their “protect and serve” motto and stop wasting tax payers money.
Cops rarely do anything until their is blood shed-
@@smalltowngirlbigcityheart3724 There was bloodshed. Lori told cops Charles was dead bc she refused to give him his phone. Lori fled the scene while her husband of 15 years bled out on her floor so that she could go to Burger King. Lori laughed and joked upon her return, then hosted a pool party the same day as-if nothing happened. Yet to imbecile investigators, this behavior is perfectly normal, no questions required.
The mental gymnastics these "religious folk " do in order to justify their own selfish desires amazes me every time...
Exactly!! “We were together in a past life” ergo should be together now… religious nuts
These people are not “religious”, they’re NUTS
"Your Lord is quick to grant your wishes, Muhammad." - Aisha
@@almaconnor9171 same thing.You want to believe in an invisible sky fairy then yeah…you’re nuts
Right?? "We're religious so whatever we do is ok! We have a pass from God!" Delusional psychos :(
Considering Mormons believe marriage is sealed before God to last eternally I’m thinking she really wasn’t as religious as she said she was… married FIVE times??!? That’s a little many by any standard much less for a “very devout” Mormon. I guess it’s a moot point after what she did, but that was a sign she wasn’t that good a person from the beginning.
Not sure I’d be listening as much of it wasn’t for this narrator. Love him !!
Had that rude and condescending officer took him seriously, he might still be alive right now...
My heart breaks for the grandfather. God bless that sweet man. I cant even imagine what those 2 poor kids had to go through... 😔
Exactly he was so rude and condescending
Nope
At least four innocent people would be alive.
That cop needs an attitude check. He was being rude and obnoxious. 🙄
20:37 - "The authorities were forced to accept his rejection (Chad's rejection of Tammy's autopsy) without asking any further questions." Are you kidding me? No they weren't "forced" to accept it! Of course they could have asked questions!
Yeah, the authorities didn't give a dime... Nobody can force the authority,let's face it!
Yeah I nearly choked when I heard that part. I wonder how many murderers in that area get away with 'refusing an autopsy'. ... a lot of murderers research the areas laws and procedures well and will know it's possible to refuse an autopsy if they can make the death look 'natural'
We truly reside in Clown World and not the funny kind.
I remember seeing the interrogations for this. Where the daughter stood up for her mom after the first murder, just for the mom to murder her later…so sad. ❤
😢 What an absolutely horrible story! How can a mother do this to her children?? May Taylee and JJ rest in peace. 🙏
The whole vallow daybell cult need to be looked at. They knew more than they're saying.
I agree.
There was one Melanie woman who was Lori's best friend who did eventually come out with a bunch of details, but yes I'm sure there is much to learn of them.
I was just posting a comment about that. Several members of his church have been investigated for mysterious deaths and life insurance payouts. And Lori's friend testified that Daybell apporached her about killing her own husband. One of the members has widowed a few husbands and left to start her own church in Arkansas. This church might just be a cover for an insurance murder ring.
"We've been married in 7 previous lives."
Who would think that pickup line would work?
She appears to have dyed her hair 1 too many times, bleach caused brain damage
I cried listening to grandpa speak. I cannot imagine his pain.
I’ve seen this case on other channels, but have heard some things here that I hadn’t heard previously. This narrator is awesome and hold your attention!
Gotta love this one 🤦♀️ Charles tells police his wife threatened to destroy him and the answer to that is oh that's not a threat??? No dude, I'm pretty sure that's a threat. No wonder men feel unable to come forward for help.
That first cop answering the call is absolutely tit worthless. Tell him you will "destroy" him and see if he doesn't arrest you for threatening a police officer's life. I would have demanded to speak to a higher functioning supervisor to take my report.
Worthless clueless cop.. what a surprise
I’ve watched and listened to this story twice before and this is the first time I’ve been able to understand the chronology and how all these people were connected. Great job!
This is an unbelievable story. I couldn't believe they found those kids in that man's yard! And for all these adults to be involved and not one thought there was something wrong???? It's just insane. Love your channel!!!💜
@Sam Antha Agreed, they had a LOT of people involved in this scheme and even started killing some people off! It must have been really hard to keep up, and the kids disappearing was the final straw, but this is so convoluted and beyond most peoples understanding, it’s not shocking many didn’t see it was going to get this bad.
Do note that after the children were found in his yard (and they spared the gruesome details here), his children have claimed he was framed!
Call it Severe mental illness or maybe just some delusional psychopaths, either way they committed such despicable acts.
@@spencerjames8989 And are legally and morally responsible.
@@GlennaVan No doubt about it
Whoever’s voice over this is, Ty for putting me to sleep every night. ❤️
I appreciate how you honor the families and friends of the victims. Classy, and maybe it'll catch on.
He gets home from
A business trip to have Locks changed on his own house ? His clothes in the garbage ? This woman is a whole other level of EVIL.
Did she have a job?
Can you imagine if your brother or son had had that happen to them (bank account drained too) oh I’d be so mad.
I started dating a girl and came home from work and she was standing inside with a pistol claiming I really hadn't been working and was really cheating and all kind of nonsense. Its strange how police and people don't take men seriously yet if the reverse happened they'd be all over it. Luckily I talked my way close to her and snatched the pistol and told her were done and she ever pull a gun on me again I'd have no choice to defend myself. Then she stalked me and police done nothing. So I got so fed up and walked out and shattered her windshield.
Geesh Michael!! Did she stop
Stalking you or are you still in a living hell!?
Make police reports, file a restraining order and get an Attorney wtf !
@Tristan Yes I just realized that but it's also good just to document everything.
well, no. if the reverse happened the police wouldn't be all over it. they wouldn't care in that situation either.
Brilliantly narrated story, nice job!
This convoluted story has been covered by many media outlets. Of the handful I’ve seen, Beyond Evil/The Fear Files lays out its details most clearly and concisely. It also uses the most primary source material. Great job! Keep up the good (albeit macabre) work.
I remember when all of this unfolded. I thought to myself as soon as they announced that the last photos showed the kids at a national park, "That's where they'll find the bodies." I was wrong; they were found elsewhere, but it was pretty obvious based on her behavior and everything else happening with her travels that those children were dead. It just took extra long to unravel the whereabouts.
I think most of us (including the authorities) thought Tylee never left the park. That might have been the plan but it was too busy with tourists that day.
If Kay Woodcock (Charles' sister and J.J.'s grandmother) had not been so persistent about finding the children, this may have all gone with no consequences. Chad had applied for a permit for a concrete pad for a trailer apparently where the children were buried; they would never have been found then.
@@GlennaVan Wow, I didn't know that. They're both seriously evil.
The cop kinda sounded like it was a burden to help him. Especially the tone he used asking the first couple questions
If only that cop had taken Charles seriously, the events that followed could have been prevented including his own death
That video of the boy playing before going missing is heartbreaking. Poor kids
Wow the way that cop is talking to the husband makes me feel sick
Every...... everything on this case could have been avoided 😌 EVERYTHING!!!!!!!! It makes me highly nauseated knowing poor Charles TRIED.....AND TRIED to alert WHO HE NEEDED TO....EVERYONE FAILED HIM! AWFUL
I followed this case from the beginning, I was horrified by her attitude she believed she was a goddess,and wickedness, there is a trail of bodies she’s left behind including her 2 kids , I don’t know how she managed to get incompetency but I await the day they’re both on trial to get what they deserve!
Something is very fishy about all of this!
Remember, she was only judged incompetent to assist in her defense which has nothing to do with incompetency for the deaths.
She is self-involved enough to think if she can stall long enough that it will all go away. SURPRISE! It won't.
@@GlennaVan I really hope so!
How dare she call her daughter fat when married to that tub of lard?! As for her mental health, I think she is very, very smart and manipulative.
Agree. She's crazy smart .. .thats what kind of crazy she is
I think she murdered her own kids, not the men. Her hand was in it all.
@@hazelhadley-britt6396 it definitely was her decision but I don't think she'd want to get her hands dirty especially since Alex seemed to be her personal assassin.
I was wondering what Chad reminded me of and you hit the nail on the head. A big fat tub of lard! He's repulsive to me with his big fat head and neck that look like a giant thumb.
Tub of lard!!🤣👍 Good one!
With mother's like this who needs enemies. Disgusting.
It is so frustrating to see how not concerning the police are about her threat.. it's like they're just like "oh she's a woman." She has rights to be with the kids. Oh well she stole all your money and car and said terrible things. It's no biggie. - now look at all this destruction that she has done. Maybe they should take this claim seriously! From the beginning.
I thought the same thing. They should have taken her threats seriously. I mean, look what happened. That cop acted like it was a joke. Obviously he called cause he had a feeling something was wrong with her behavior.
Cops should have taken her seriously. Feels like a case of, "Go home and control your wife." Kind of attitude.
Yeah role reversal would have been different. Cops take a man seriously when he threatens someone.
Disgraceful behavior.
The trouble is that under the law, it's not a threat unless there's a specific statement of intended retribution that would be unlawful to carry through (typically, physical violence). Threatening to use your spiritual powers to 'destroy' someone -- 'destroy' being a very vague term that can include things like suing someone into bankruptcy -- is not a legally actionable threat.
That do that to victims
Typical cop behavior, no matter your gender
How can a person be deeply religious and get married 5-6-7 times ? Is that a Mormon thing ? What did her deeply religious family think of her bed hopping under the guise of being married ? She's a real piece of work that one she is ! GROSS ! RIP Tyler and JJ. My Sincere Condolences to Their Grandparents, whom without raising the alarm who knows how long these kids would have been missing without being noticed. For your never ending sadness I am truly sorry. May peace of soul someday find you !
No, being LDS, it’s pretty uncommon to see divorces in the church, let alone multiple divorces like that woman experienced. Our church discourages divorce except for certain circumstances such as abuse etc. honestly her action before being involved in murder isn’t a typical member of our church.
What it sounds like in my opinion was she was fed some mixture of doctrine from our church and distorted false doctrine and it destroyed her. We don’t believe in reincarnation like that Women believed. I honestly don’t really think she should be considered a member of our church even before she was involved with murder…
@@calebpotter7241 That was a honest response basing it on your opinion & beliefs. 🙏 & ✌️
@@calebpotter7241 Were not both Lori and Chad excommunicated (or whatever LDS calls it)?
The big thing around the divorce is why Chad could not remarry after a divorce but Lori could which is why Tammy had to die!
Honestly, aren’t most extremist, fundamentalist religious denominations & sects perfect breeding grounds for narcissism & delusions of grandiosity plus magical thinking (“‘God’ loves me and not X bc I am devout, special, chosen, etc.”)? Some of the worst child abusers and truly horrible (extremely selfish & self-righteous) people I’ve met or known about bc they severely abused my friends were religious fundamentalists.
People who think in Dark Ages terms should be avoided by those who value rationality (including that at the basis of the sciences) and secular humanism. Cult-like religionists’ thinking is not only creepy & bizarre but utterly backwards and is not compatible with any modern society.
And yes, I consider fundamentalist churches/groups cult-like in many obvious ways.
Being religious does not mean someone has a relationship with Christ. “Religious “
people can be evil! As we see here.
Lori said in her interrogation that Charles forgot his cell phone inside and came back in to get it and she refused to give it to him, demanding to see what was on it and leading him down towards Tylee's room, and Tylee came out with a bat, Charles disarmed her, there was a scuffle with Alex and he shot Charles while she wasn't looking but was inside. JJ was in Charles car waiting to be driven to school. She was there and she taunted him, refusing to give up his phone to instigate an argument during which Charles was never physical aggressor.
Wow- I live in Idaho and this is way more information than I've heard on the case. Very interesting.
There’s a minor typo in the segment introducing chad as a religious author. In the cc, Missing the letter “g” from “religious”. Wanted to let you know because you’re clearly very serious about your craft:This channel is so well done, and every episode is polished and relevant.
Chad's bumbling speech was riddled with clues as to his mental state. It was a very emotional and important speech and he was nervous nobody would believe him.
THIS is why More need to be done for Men in abusive situations... The ONLY thing the media portrays is abused women AND it needs to stop immediately. Charles was treated as if he was just being a whining, wimpy man and that's heartbreaking.
It is!
I've watched a lot of content about this case on different channels but this has been the most detailed. Thank you!
This is so sad and heartbreaking. I remember watching the Grandparents of JJ Vallow on Dr. Phil begging Lori to release the kids to them and she didn't seem bothered when the reporters were asking her.
Everyone giving condolences to the grandparents at the end - and where were they for this whole thing?
I am so upset the cops didn't take Charles more seriously!!!! Poor guy RIP
Jeezus! The original Cop who Charles tried appealing to was extremely short and dismissive with him.
I wonder if he's proud of his conduct now, if he ever sees that footage, and how well he thinks he did. Now that Charles' fears turned out to be so prophetically accurate, about Lori.
It's actually quite infuriating. 🔥
But killing children especially your own is evil. So ...its so weird how rules don't apply to chad and Lori
They believe in mental shit, I doubt they think rationally like everyday people when they are convinced people are zombies etc
What they did to J.J. was terrible but what was done to Tylee goes beyond comprehension and involved such hatred and evilness.
Its just the hypocrisy of their beliefs.
They themselves are the evil zombies. Because how do you kill your own child and be able to prance around Hawaii wearing their white linen.
Great videos! Small criticism though: could you normalize the audio level? Certain parts of the video are too quiet.
Amazing content!
As a retired LAPD Officer.....I have mixed feelings about the way the Officer handled it. While it was cringe and very hard to watch........ I also know that there are countless possible variables that we may not be aware of.
How many calls to that address have the police dealt with? Cops are human and can miss clues that in hindsight may have saved lives. Domestic issues are not cut and dry absent physical harm. Threats of death are not always actionable and laws typically require not just words but that the suspect have the ability to carry the threat out.
The cop was rude and seemed very disinterested and condescending. But let us not forget that hindsight is 2020
This is just one tragic case. I really hope that they get justice for the kids. And that Lori and Chad get their punishment. Because to do what was done to those precious children they should get the harshest punishment. Thanks for covering this case 🙏
her childhood and parents/sibling home life was actually definitely not typical. they had a lot of weird incest stuff going on amidst their household
@BLNK BLNKRSN that’s from her family
@BLNK BLNKRSN I completely agree!
@BLNK BLNKRSN I’d also like to know how the other siblings turned out and their view of her insanity since her brother Adam was reasonable when Charles reached out to him about Alex/Lori
I believe there was something incestuous with her brother Alex and her, their relationship was weird as fuck, he also abandoned two of lori’s pet dogs in the desert, he was as evil as she was imo
Doesn't matter, many people come from abusive or violent homes. We have a choice to be shit people or let our past destroy us. She knew exactly what she was doing.
There's a few things I'm grateful for about this whole terrifying situation. The kids bodies were found and layed to rest by loved ones. That everyone sees through both perpetrators. That Lori is getting the mental help needed so she WILL face a jury of her peers. And that the perpetrators will also have to face the people that their (alleged) crimes/murders affected.
Everything the two (allegedly) did honestly makes me sick to my stomach. And I hope the others locked up with them show them each exactly how unkindly they take to people who kill (allegedly) children.
Unfortunately, Tylee and JJ are not layed to rest, they are still in the custody of the FBI.
As Nettie said, the children's bodies are still in custody though the family has had memorial services for both of them. They will likely remain in custody until after the trials and all appeals have been exhausted. The family surely understands the necessity of it under the circumstances of this case though it adds even more pain for them.
@Victoria Williams
She doesn't need mental help... she needs to repent and give up all her demons. She is facing the eternal Fires of Hell.
Just found your channel. Love the content. Your voice is perfect for this.
Subscribed. 👍
If being divorced 3x aren't enough red flags, nothing can save you.
It was a horrible find. And Daybell sat in his car watching them doing the excavation. If that doesn't scream guilty I don't know what it could be.
This is like the 3rd or 4th different time I have watched this case... and you nailed it, this is the best case breakdown I've seen,, it took me 6 mins to realise "oh yeah I've seen this" you went back farther in her past then other vids did. Well done mate
Thanks for giving some clarity to this confused and sinister case.
Just looking at these multiple murderers smiling is sickening.
Her own children!
Ghastly.
Read an update. On May 12th, she was found guilty of 1st degree murder and sentenced to two life sentences. They are also looking to charge her with conspiracy for Charles's death.
RIP to all those who lost their lives to this evil woman.
Lori is the poster child for cold and calculating.
I watched the interviews with her after Charles was killed.
The day Alex shot Charles, she had grabbed Charles' phone like a teenager acting stupid and refused to give it back to him.
They argued because Charles wanted his phone back and she kept it away from him, snatching it out of his reach and moving away.
If Lori never took Charles' phone he would have left immediately and there would have been no altercation.
Alex is not innocent, they twisted the facts after he had shot Charles because the only person who knew the truth is dead.
Lori only left to take JJ to school after the shooting had already occured, she left Alex to deal with it and removed herself from the scene.
Killing your own children is a whole 'nother level of callous.
May Lori and Chad rot in jail for all the lives they have destroyed.
I've seen a lot of coverage on these kids and it's sadder each time. 😢 One thing remains the same though, and that's how much Lori is an evil POS. I hope she never knows a moments peace. And Chad, I wish you the same.
I heard this story a bunch of times but THIS IS EASY and CLEAR. Thank you
Fear Files..yoy do a fabulous job of investigating and relaying this twisted, crazy, horrific story. I've learned so much more about this case in 27 minutes than the months of following media news reports and flash headlines. Thank you :)
I don't thinkni can handle another "shocking' case after this. I'm still shocked and dumbfounded and sick to the pit of my stomach. My mind is just so unsettled after that..WTF. I'm gonna have to take time out.
Heartbreaking - may these many people finally RIP.
I am hearing details of this case I have never heard before- Great voice as well.