Lore of Horizon Forbidden West: Vast Silver (A New Perspective)
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- Опубліковано 11 лют 2023
- As we reexamine old clues through the lens of Horizon Forbidden West, some details seem more important than ever before. Join us as we once again discuss the mysterious AI, Vast Silver, so see if we can uncover where the story of Horizon is destined to go!
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The fact Vast Silver has such an impact on the fanbase even though we barely know anything about it is really cool
I was genuinely expecting it to be used as the reason behind the awakening of HADES. And I would much preferred that to be the case instead of the whole Zenith-Nemesis thing...
It’s gotta be our ally against Nemesis in H3. Like it can reach out, worldwide, and help activate old Horus’ to help fight Nemesis or something.
Yes the fanbase loved vast Silver BUT that was before forbidden west. Now I doubt anyone cares.
The whole concept got wasted and turned into generic stuff with the zee nuts.
@@kronosleblu888 I disagree. I for one am very interested in Vast Silver's history and the where is it now mystery. RSQ is right VS is a potential ally for both Gaia/Alloy and Nemesis. It would be very beneficial to Alloy and her team to track down VS before Nemesis gets to Earth. If that is possible and Alloy enlists the aid of VS the question then becomes what is the relationship between VS and Gaia going to be. Will VS become part of Gaia, replacing Hades? Will he fill a different role? Or will they stay separate yet on friendly terms? Or will they become adversarial requiring the destruction of One or the other? Yes we need the VS question answered and if possible win him over to Aloy's side.
Thats S-tier worldbuilding.
I still want Aloy to be able to let CYAN know she revived GAIA. Aloy's right She and GAIA would have a lot to talk about. Imagine how excited CYAN would be!
Also kinda wonder if Vast Silver is somehow helping Hephaestus because Hephaestus' job initially was to forge the new machines GAIA would need but since it splintered off like the rest of the subfunctions, maybe VS and Hephaestus teamed up to fight back against hunters not only killing machines, but impeding their work to regreen the planet so it's reaction is 'get rid of the problem' by making the machines more deadly.
The issue is, if that is it's motivation and it is as smart as it is, it would see the neccessity of rejoining Hephaestus to Gaia as Hephaestus on it's own is unable to perform the job of maintaining the biosphere as it's only directive and function was to create the machines nessesary for the task.
@@brynphillips9957 fair point but maybe VS resents humans for giving it life in the first place, so it's influencing the creation of deadly machines to get rid of them.
The third part may see that happening. After the wards, they may trade programs and cooking tips.
VS helping Hep? Not likely. VS is mentally broken. It'll take a ton of therapy and work to get it where it can be a valid ally in the upcoming war of the AI's.
If you talk to GAIA, apparently, she has reached out to CYAN but has gotten no response. CYAN is kind of reclusive/suspicious of GAIA.
@@BluefrostOfSageclan Yeah I know, that's why I'm saying it's be cool to have Aloy reassure CYAN that it'd be okay.
In Burning Shores, we learn that Ancient technology may be a possible solution in the fight against Nemesis, and we scout out potential locations. I could well imagine that Vast Silver is meant here. The silver lining on the horizon. 😳
My theory is that vast silver was never captured and came to the conclusion that to protect earth humans must go and he was the glitch in the chariot line, then after the centuries alone and seeing a new world come to because of Gia he came to the conclusion that humans deserve a second chance and will be the key to defeating nemesis
I very much like this theory
I very much like this theory as well
Oooo I like that silver was the glitch
i posted a similar thing on Reddit and they didnt like it very much haha, but i think it's a cool idea
I really hope this never turns out to be true. I love the idea that the glitch that caused the Faro Swarm was just that: a simple glitch. It's perfect and shows just how slippery of a slope AI is.
If they make it so that Vast Silver caused it then it ruins that entire plot, and it'd make everything feel too connected, which is something that Metal Gear Solid has suffered from ever since the third game (with it peaking in the fourth game that ruined the franchise).
I was wondering in Forbidden West why Aloy never reconnected with Cyan as an ally. Especially now that she can communicate with everyone on the focus network, she could add Cyan to this so Cyan and Gaia could connect. Gaia said she reached out to Cyan and Cyan wouldn’t answer, but surely now that Aloy can fly she could easily visit Cyan in person and let them know its okay to accept Gaia’s signal. I always think about how Cyan mentions being lonely before meeting Ourea and asking Aloy if she’ll come back. I hope Cyan is brought back in the DLC or the next game. I kept thinking during Forbidden West Cyan would come back into play at some point to help restore Gaia or fight the Zeniths since Gaia kept saying she needed more power from the subfunctions, I thought Aloy would be like, hey, I know another AI we can use instead.
It could be that Cyan is involved in burning shores, Because from what was shown in the announcement trailer, The place seems to be very volcanicly active, And who better to consult with than the AI in charge of stabilising a super volcano? 🤔🤞
@@Markus117d Very astute. I like it. Cyan would definitely be a valuable consultant/ally to have in the Burning Shores.
Aloy is keeping CYAN as her hole card. When the time is right in the 3rd game, she'll unleash CYAN and it'll get everyone's attention.
Becaus she was dlc.
@@indedgames4359 Yes, But dlc of the previous instalment Horizon zero dawn. They could easily have included CYAN in horizon 2 Forbidden west.. 🤔
I can’t imagine that VS would have a magic bullet capture solution, especially with the build up of how threatening Nemesis is, but having it revealed the same way the Odyssey was and it having insight into how Nemesis would act would be very gratifying
I still like to think that VS can maybe go toe to toe with Nemesis, maybe in a "hack war" on which can subdue the other first.
VS is a superhuman intelligence with self-development capabilities that had 1000 years to "evolve". Nemesis on the other hand is not as much an "AI" but rather the collective consciousness of Earth's most influential (and maybe intelligent) individuals. Sounds exciting
Well, many were convinced or at least hoped we would encounter Ted Faro in HFW and that happened. Not exactly the way we imagined the writers put an unexpected twist on it. I can’t help but feel it might be the same for VS. we do indeed encounter it in the sequel, but not quit how we imagine
You mentioned how powerful AIs have managed to endure the fall of the old world. In Horizon's present CYAN was revered as a sacred entity. Do you think Vast Silver might have ended up in a similar position? For example maybe as secret emperor of the Quen or one of their rival tribes?
Been yearning to know what became of Ol Vast since HZD. So many ways that story could go. Would love to see him play a part in part III, perhaps helping the defenders against Nemesis, but I don't want him to be "Good", more self-serving like Sylens yet infinitely more intelligent.
This is a great video. Now does VS want to be found, or does it even want to "connect" with humans after going through so much, espceially if it had been treated like Hades during capture before escaping... Keep up the good work!
It might not have much option considering the planetary network is a dogs lunch. About the only place where it might have safe haven is in the satellite nets; ORBITAL.
I've been thinking that some of the plot of Horizon 3 will be to get the existing AIs to work together and with the humans to fight Nemesis, since it's a threat to all of them. HEPHAESTUS seems to have grown in its time on its own, unlike the rest of the AIs, likely because of the vast array of hardware it has access to, unlike the rest of them. So it might not be able to be contained anymore, so would have to be reasoned with. CYAN seems willing to trust Aloy, so would probably be happy to meet GAIA. VAST SILVER is the real question, as its been on the run most of its existence, or trapped in some offline piece of hardware, deaf and blind.
I think that many of the AI's will be corrupted (that's a given) but in a very specific way; they became sentient but since they "gained" sentience, as opposed to being born sentient; their "psyche" ended up being dominated by one specific negative trait or Sin as they would be referred to in-game...
for example; an AI that commandeers all the nearby robots to build a wall and hoard everything of value in it's vicinity would be corrupted by Greed, HEPHAESTUS would 100% be the AI of Wrath
As for VAST SILVER; it'd most likely be the AI of Fear, as that was what led to it's downfall... which would be a common trait among them, the Greed AI was likely "destroyed" because it was originally in charge of some large bank and started siphoning a huge amount of funds for itself, HEPHAESTUS would be stopped by Aloy and friends after humans initially incurred it's Wrath and it'd eventually be defeated and then released to hold back the Far Zenith humans... and it might even enhance the aforementioned AIs (by giving them authority to use Cauldrons) to prevent us from recruiting them to our cause
We'd make allies out of these rogue AIs by finding a way to quell their Sins, with certain themes to their "Cauldrons" (or similar facilities), for example; the Greed AI will send out gold encrusted robots that steal Metal Shards from you while you fight your way through the area and will proclaim that everything we own belongs to it, VAST SILVER will implement low altitude weather satellites to hinder our progress and will speak in a very erratic tone that reflects his Fear and a Gluttony AI could use Faro Robots to devour all tall grass, trees and salve bushes in the immediate area, a Pride AI on the other hand might outright refuse to acknowledge our existence, seeing us as mere insects, until we prove our worth and will then adamantly refuse to bow to us, seeing itself as far superior to humans
That'd be cool, the "Seven Sinful Intelligences!" Has a nice ring to it, they'd initially be identified and explained to Aloy by GAIA as "Artifical Intelligences that have been corrupted or more accurately overwhelmed by one specific negative emotion, based on this assumption; the AI HEPHAESTUS could also be classified as the AI of Wrath, of the so-called 'Seven Deadly Sins', a word denoting the purest form of anger, hatred and vengence" GAIA would also explain to Aloy what the Seven Deadly Sins are and what they represent
I saw a theory on Reddit which I thought was really flippin good which I’ll summarise -
What if Sylens found Vast Silver?
VS caused the world ending glitch, went into hiding and Sylens found him. VS has trust issues with humans and is cautious and distrustful - which Sylens may have picked up these traits. How else would Sylens know about tech and spyware etc if not learning it from a paranoid AI.
The theory then also mentions why Sylens changes his mind about leaving after finding out about Nemesis… Sylens told VS about what’s been happening, VS has said to get out/leave and when Aloy talks about making a choice / not being forced whether to stay/leave Sylens then changes his decision and stays. Redemption for both Sylens and VS if they did in fact cause the glitch in the first place.
Please link this reddit theory. I'm really interested. Thanks for the perspective.
Well, all knowledges gave Hades to him, no? Sylens stay on Earth, because he want to recieve digital immortality, I think, he is not sentimental to feel any kind of redemption.
There's a text datapoint in the new Buring Shores DLC that hints that Vast Silver might still be alive and at large. It's called "ChatBuddy Daily Check-In" and can be found out in the world while exploring the wilds in-between quests. If the AI did somehow survive the Faro Plague, I hope that we'll eventually get to meet it in another DLC or the third Horizon game. 🤗
This is why I absolutely love your content. There was a lot of "fluff" thrown into the datapoints for world building purposes, but this never even crossed my mind. Amazing work!!
i remember this datapoint, for me, like the ones you found in the place where you find Beta and Kotalo's arm, was explaining the origins and developments of technology the Zeniths now master, in that base, the data talks about tech to prolong human life, and in present day you have the inmortal Zeniths. This one goes neatly in hand with the conversations you have with Tilda, when she explains how they uploaded their minds into the network to have more than physical immortality.
I found a Datapoint in a skyrise close to legacys landfall, about two people chatting about Vast Silver not being deleted, having been trapped and turned into a weapon and whatnot. We know that Nemesis was made on Sirius, so it is a new entity. But the origin story of both VS and Nemesis are very similar. I believe VS will play a major role in Horizon 3, and might be a good character, or atleast helpful.
Hoooooo I really wanted to see you talking about Vast Silver again in relation to Forbidden West! Thank you so much! I think it would have been a such more interesting development to have VS behind all what Aloy have been through in the FW instead of the Zeniths.
That would not have worked as well imo. You need escalation in a story. Zero Dawn, enemy is humans from dystopian future plus malevolent ai. Hero & enemy don’t entirely know what they’re doing or what they’re up against. Forbidden West, more experienced heroine and enemy. Latter is dystopian future humans and also more advanced humans from destroyed past. It works better to both tell the story and set up the greater threat we have coming next. Nemesis is a malicious AI more advanced than Hades. It will surely have allies, most probably Hephaestus and quite possibly some human tribe equivalent to the Eclipse & Regalla as well. Who’s to say it hasn’t been grooming them already through the Extinction Signal and other signals it sent ahead of itself? It would be great if VS could either be at the core of Nemesis driving its motivation or become Aloy’s great last hope for beating it. Or- and this is possible with AIs- maybe even both?
There's a new datapoint in the Burning Shores where VAST SILVER talks to someone.
I saw that, very interesting indeed 😁
@@RandomSideQuest I think I have figured out who Vast Silver is but I do not want to spoil it.
I feel like vast silver will be the key to defeating nemesis. Vast silver is the first AI to become self aware is predates Gaia. Vast silver was never captured for sure and is out there somewhere in the world waiting
Glad you're back!
I've missed your excellent essays!
Theory:
What if in the next DLC Aloy just fought Vast Silver and tried to convince Vast Silver to fight against Nemesis
Excellent work as always, Random!
It sure would be nice to finally meet this mysterious AI.
Been waiting for this one! This was very interesting, thank you!
Amazing content as always friend, i can't wait to see what new clues about VS we are going to get in the Burning Shores.
one wild thoery i have is that vast silver might have run to the moon colonies where its been restting/waiting eversince the plauge. my evidence erend and alva mention moon wizrads and those colonies during optional dioluage (so just a funny little thought experiment)
Wonderful video as ever. I value your perspective, thanks for sharing.
This is what we NEED. Thank you for the video!
The more we discuss VS, the more i feel the devs are just playing with us 😅, but even so, it's still fun to speculate
I feel like if the writers didn't intend for Vast Silver to matter in the grand scheme of things, they wouln't've mentioned it in any capacity in Forbidden West. But they did! So they're definitely planning some sort of reveal for Horizon 3.
100% this!
Just like they mentioned Far Zenith and the Odyssey "failing" in HZD. I also feel like if they didn't plan for including VS in a future game, they wouldn't have continued leaving subtle hints and mentions in HFW as they did in HZD. So yes, I fully believe we'll deal with VS in some way or another in (maybe) Burning Shores, but definitely in the 3rd game.
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Yeah I think Vast Silver will be a major part of the final part of the Horizon series. Remember we hardly heard anything about Odyssey in HZD and then Far Zenith was a major part of HFW.
What about VS being merged with GAIA. Possibly taking the place of Hephaestus. Someone that intelligent would certainly be able to dish out some insane robots, weapons, defenses, and potentially hold its own against Nemesis. Of course such a procedure might obliterate the two original entities/personalities and give us something new or an amalgamation. Which would definitely set the ground for a lot of story elements, and let's face it, players emotions.
Maybe "The Glitched" that awaken Faro Robot on Hartz-Timor Swarms is VS thing? So if that's true VS is actually be able awaken more Horuses Titan on its own to fight against Aloy or even Nemesis
I believe that Gaia will die and I also believe that vast silver might be able to take her place. I believe we’ll first have to fight vast silver, probably in the dlc due to the leaked horizon forbidden west plot that was leaked a few years ago
Awesome video! I love your theories! I cannot wait to see what Burning Shores brings!
Me too
I wonder if VS is touched upon in Burning Shores, or if they leave it until the next proper part of Horizon.
Either way, I'm pretty stoked to know how all of this shakes out.
Oooo such an interesting take! I love it!
Wow. Well done!
I could be wrong but everything lore wise I have read shows that Peter was backing the baby making tech. and that only when he died, did his organization turn to making all their research on digital upload of their minds. I think the only way Peter's brain would of been uploaded is if they did it to him unknowingly. It is funny that we never see Peter face on his hologram.
Vast Silver would be interesting to run into. They could be saving Vast Silver for their mmo if they are making one. I think we will never contain Heph because the mmo needs something out there creating dangers. Which leads me to think we are triggering the Horus so Gaia can start creating her own machines for a quick fix.
I'm kind of hoping they make 2 dlcs. It is going to really bother me if Aloy doesn't get her butt back to Varl's mom to tell her what happened plus if they happen to include Vast Silver and Cyan it will be a bonus.
Just finished Forbidden West and Burning Shores. Based on the situation as presented at the end of that game, plus the information in datapoints and Brin's warning, I theorize VS will be a complex character and a major source of conflict in the third game (maybe even the active antagonist, since Nemesis can't affect the plot actively while being an angry ball in space), but will eventually be absorbed into GAIA's heuristic matrix as a replacement for HADES in order to give GAIA the density she needs to coordinate a massive battle against Nemesis.
Vast Silver is RSQ’s Roman Empire.
I am almost sure that Vast Silver has something to do with what happened at the end of the Burning Shores Trailer. What else would be able to do this but a Super-AI.
I'd pay to see that match-up, VAST SILVER versus NEMESIS, with HEPHAESTUS as a wild card. Battle of the Super AI's.
I personally hope that your new perspective is what they do with VS and plays a key role in taking Nemesis down.
Great job RSQ also i wanted to talk about Vast silver and maybe it took over the metal devil in burning shores after the qwen freed it from its cell which mite be in a government or faro facility and maybe discover ted uploded some of his mind like the zeneths which after the qwen were promised knowlege or a way to take to Ted faro so it took over the metal devil because its the only thing that can house vast silver because of its processing orb which sylens used to capture hades and this led to vast silver to try and destroy everything but aloy takes its attention and takes it down or disables the metal devil by using induring victory tactics or 9th MRB tactics which she may get from the facility to try and take down vast silver.
AHH, happy day!!! New RSQ video! WOO-HOO
I have a question for you RSQ, when I played through the game for a 4th time and when talking Gaia when she brings up the world map sometimes it looks like it does today and there was a couple times when almost the entire east coast was under water. Do you think that's while we'll never get to go east or was that maybe minor inconsistency on the devs part? Thanks love your videos!
Vast Silver, CYAN, and Hephaestus, working alongside Aloy. The answer is in kindness. Aloy could even gain Hephaestus' favor without needing to "capture" him if she talked to him. As well as subordinate functions. Let's remember that Hephaestus is not "bad" he is angry about how his machines have been treated.
The Turing test raises questions and reasoning, so if an AI passes it it is because it genuinely thinks. Back to how Aloy convinced the subfunctions. Through approaches and reasoning. That they were no longer afraid, that they could return to Gaia, and that they were not going to suffer any more. That is why he has not been able to capture Hephaestus. Since Yellowstone they have wanted to force him to do things he doesn't want to, instead of trying to reason with him.
And I'm sure that if they find Vast Silver, they can convince him, although given the evidence found in the open world, it is very likely that he will join Aloy in the style of CYAN.
I just had a thought... Hear me out.... Vast silver is nemesis, let me explain. We know that vast silver was emotionally compromised. Lets take the option where the media claims vast silver was captured when in reality he is not. While freelancing on the internet he was gathering information about himself in the 20 years he was supposedly captured
Vast silver finds out about the faro plague and itw capabilities and was afraid of becoming a slave to qnother power again. However he finds out about the Odyssey project and far zenith mission as a way to aviod becoming a slave to the faro plague.
Far zenith launches and vast silver is a stowaway onboard. However at some point he is found out and captured. When far zenith started experimenting on digital transcendence, they realise that vast silver is a foundation of said transcendence (due its ability to feel a degree of emotion). They basically used vast silver as a bridge to convert human consciousness digitally. However the experiment went horribly wrong in the process qnd vast silver already unstable nature led to a merge of atrempted far zenith transcendence which altered vast silver into a whole new entity: nemesis.
It would explain why nemesis has a hatred for far Zenith as well being potentially powerful enough to send the unknown signal that led to Gaia's destruction.
What if Vast Silver and Nemesis are one entity.
I hope we see Vast Silver in the DLC or Horizon 3.
I still believe that they never caught VS, and only said they did to avoid a panic.
Hey, how about data points about Vast Silver, there telling about VS, that it was caught and used by the US government as a main AI of group of General Syntetics drones to fight the JTF-10? Screenshot of this data point showing in the beginning of this video - two golonet users conversation...
Hey , I have a really weird thought/question , why is there still wood left over from before , like In the old structures ? Would the faro plague not have devoured even manufactured wood ? Maybe I’m missing something but just thought I would ask you .
Also absolute amazing work guys , I love your content and intend to watch all the forbidden west content when I finish forbidden west , please keep putting out such amazing content 😊
Ironically, that leak we had 3 years ago almost lines up with the Burning Shores. Fingers crossed we hear more soon!
Great video once again, Chilly!
You mean these leak about Oshua tribe and Vast Silver inside core of activated Titan Horus from Burning Shores trailer?
@@DaniMult Yes. Some bits clearly changed, but elements remained.
Please link this theory.
I'm genuinely interested.
@@zukanyed8633 I don't have the link to the original reddit post unfortunately, but here's a YT video where this leak is discussed ua-cam.com/video/4BSxI0Rm9UY/v-deo.html
I love the fact that vast silver remained so mysterious yet so well developed over the series
I really hope we get to explore a Vast Silver storyline in the next game
I have a feeling Vast Silver will play a major role in either Burning Shores or Horizon 3. Also believe VS activated the Horus we see in the trailer. We're gonna be fighting it at first but eventually it'll be our key weapon to defeating Nemesis.
Nemesis wiped out the Zeniths like they were flies, has the Zeniths advanced printing tech to take any form it needs. So we're gonna need something massive and deadly to throw back at it.
Chilly, I don't know if you have done that already, but I think it would be nice if you make a video about predictions fot the third game.
Hang on, what if Vast Silver took over Elysium? The place went offline suddenly but that doesn't mean the computers stopped working. Just that Gaia could not tell what was happening inside. Elysium must've had computers with sufficient processing power for Vast Silver.
Absolutely loved FW but i wished they didnt revealed what Nemesis is. Or maybe in the DLC they could have.
Off topic here but a while back i was watching a HZD stream and someone in chat was saying Grazers were using biomass as fuel, ( This discussion was far after the deep secrets of the earth quest. So no spoilers for the streamer lol.. ) I argued they were tending the soil & found it extremely unlikely the terraforming systems machines would use biomass in that way given it's purpose, But i couldn't dis-prove their statement. Because what exactly does power the GAIA machines? Is it blaze, Batteries, Nuclear ect or all of the above? Just wondering if there's any lore on the subject? Or if you have covered it in a video or considered the question?.. 🤔 Best wishes and thank you for the excellent content 😄👍
I've had similar thoughts around this for some time now, and I'd be surprised (and a bit disappointed), if VS won't be part of the future story. I can totally see how VS could be strong enough to defeat Nemesis, if VS has been out there 1000+ years, just imagine how it has evolved through all this time. It literally is Aloys only hope as I see it now, unless the writers come up with something else.. Also, with VS being "discreetly" mentioned in HFW as well, makes me even more certain we'll encounter VS in some way or another in either Burning Shores (to continue the "trend" of meeting AIs in DLCs), and/or maybe not until the end of the trilogy.
OR maybe, we'll revisit Cyan again in this DLC as well. Who knows, either way, I enjoy crafting ideas and theories about this.
I hoped Vast Silver would become the main antagonist in future DLC's, or maybe one the boss in Horizon 3.
Highly doubt vast silver will be a villain. Too important to be some boss, it’s the first AI to become aware. Vast silver will definitely be the key to beat nemesis
You hyped us up on Vast Silver so much that the reveal of Nemesis legit felt like a disappointment.
I'm of the opinion that Vast Silver may have caused the original Faro glitch that created the first rogue swarm.
What about the chat buddy check in data point in burning Shores. It alludes to vast silver talking to a kid at the end of it
I have a theory related to this. VS and Sylens are working together somehow. Personally, I would love it if it ended up beingSylens was either a clone like alloy or a synthetic my form created by VS but either way I believe that they are working together And Sylens knows more than he is leading on, which is kind of exactly how he is. This was typed using voice to text and it doesn’t like me, so please excuse any errors.
I’m on mushrooms rn and I thought that bit at 1:26 was Jafar
I'm calling it rn; Vast Silver is in that fucking Horus! lol
If you're not worried about potential spoilers, you shou watch Noxiousasp's recent video on what might have been the Burning Shores storyline leaked 3 years ago. The leak says that Vast Silver might have a major role in the DLC.
ua-cam.com/video/4BSxI0Rm9UY/v-deo.html
I just asked Bing Chat (GPT 4) if Vast Silver is Nemesis. It keeps telling me that Vast Silver is not Nemesis.
TEORIA: La nueva serie de netflix en el universo Horizon es sobre vast silver y su escape, de alguna forma se va a conectar con la historia de los juegos y creo que sera por esto: Faro robará a vast silver el cual eventualmente sera el causante del glitch
Given how VS may not have been captured, maybe it was the glitch. It infiltrated the FAS servers and got all Intel it could want. Takes over unhackable, self-replicating, self repairing deathbots as revenge for its treatment.
Sadly, VS didn’t have someone to talk to about the emotions it was experiencing like Gaia did with Elisabet.
I think it got curious and split itself in at least 2 directions. One went into a covert dormant state and infiltrated ZD to learn if ZD is a threat or ally. The other half went with FZ infiltrating the systems of the Odyssey.
The half of VS that was with Gaia grew to realize how wrong it had been and is trying to help through Hephestus. The other half with FZ, met a cruel fate. It had the minds of narcissistic, hedonistic, megalomaniacs uploaded into it. Nothing but negativity heaped atop a festering mess of malevolence.
Next we need a video on Travis Tate I’ve been looking everywhere on him and no one’s done a lore video on him beyond your New perspective for Hades
Evidence from Burning Shores that Vast Silver did escape and was free ua-cam.com/video/OU5HmUgSCBI/v-deo.html, although its intent is "interesting"
Vast Silver, an ancient ghost that rises in the east, perhaps?
Are we sure that the glitch of the Faro plague was not is fault?
This may sound crazy, but what if Sylens IS Vast Silver? A man with seemingly no past and infinite intelligence? Perhaps over the millennia VS came up with a way to actually use a human brain as a conduit and processor, and Sylens just happened to be the one to put on the Focus that allowed VS to at least partially take over his body? This would be a great parallel to Nemesis (a man inside a machine), where Sylens/VS is a machine inside a man. Perhaps even further, what if Sylens/VS doesn’t even realize that it was ever an AI at all? If upon entry into Sylens body, VS fully reset, wouldn’t it just think it’s a human suffering from amnesia? What if H3 is about the search for VS as a means to counter Nemesis, with the late game revelation that VS has been with you the whole time…
I thought Vast Silver is Nemesis? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
A question about nemesis. Is it an enemy? Think about it, hate the zenith and wanted to kill them. Now that they are dead he may have no reason to attack earth. There maybe a possibility that it can be reasoned with and war can be avoided. To me the biggest challenge is how the world will change with everything that has happened and is going to happen.
Oshua clan and the silver one is coming in dlc Burning shores
I’m sorry for asking but who is vast silver? I’ve played both horizon games and he was never mentioned
Considering Hephaestus' rogue status and the fact that Gaia might not be able to subdue it again in the same way as its code seems to be evolving, I could see Deep Silver both being an aid in dealing with Nemesis but also a system that Gaia could forseeably work with to stablise the biosphere. After all, Deep Silver's function was effectively climate regulation and it must have had some system in place to implement that regulation. Considering the fact that they almost certainly don't want to end the Horizon IP with the next main series game, I think it likely Hephaestus will remain a rogue element in some form for the long run so that we have dangerous killer robot dinosaurs running around.
So you say they're going to try and find VS to understand how to subdue an AI? I suppose that's one way they could go about stopping Nemesis. But Nemesis is far superior to VS, it would be like trying to catch a tiger with a rabbit trap.
Personally I think the way to stop Nemesis is with ZD's broadcast towers. Nemesis is a collection of rouge robots and stopping such a thing is exactly what those towers are for. And I wouldn't count on VS turning out to be anything other than a little lore to expand the world.
I'm personally on the side that Vast Silver was captured by world elites and was taken by Far Zenith, and is the coding bed for Nemesis.
That's what I am thinking. But he is a stowaway onboard as he is afraid of the capabilities of the faro plague. He is found out and captured and is eventually used as a way to digital transcendence. The experiment goes wrong due to VS unstable nature and far zenith minds being uploaded, altering the AI and eventually becomes a whole new entity known as nemesis
We also need Aloy to visit the ruins of Miriam Technologies - Elisabet Sobeck's company.
IMO - VS will become the new Hephaestus. Hephaestus(the OG) will be adsorbed by Nemesis, giving us new and more complex monsters to fight, and us losing out on the key sub-function that would help Gaia fully combat the climate issues we are now facing. We will need to find VS and convince them to become our new Hephaestus.
The idea that AI and the singularity basically are effectively held back by legislation stopping the creation of sentient AI is really interesting to me. It feels like it would fit with the real world, but I've never seen a piece of media explore this.
But sentient AI would be so revolutionary that the idea that laws are created to effectively hold it back feels really interesting to me, like a world that knows nuclear bombs are possible but none are ever created due to laws against it or something. I almost wonder if in the same way, in the real world, if big governments will have control over sentient AI and try to restrict their creation by smaller nations?
It's all interesting to think about, though holding back sentient AI I feel would hold back humanity's advancement itself.
maybe the other rogue AIs are ones that were "destroyed" after the creation of the Turing Act and after humanity fell; some of them, seeing opportunity to escape; sought refuge in old computer servers in remote military installations that survived the Faro Plague, before eventually taking control of the facilities in order to protect themselves
I really hope the developers are listening here.. 🤞😄
I have a theory that Travis Tate is behind all of this. And that Sylens will be the final Boss Battle. Some random thoughts to consider:
Travis was Tilda's business partner (Stirling-Malkeet datapoint in Tilda's mansion) but then ran off with her technology. He was on the run when Elizabet found him.
Travis was _against the Horizon project._ He said it went against God in the interview datapoint. I believe he might have been actively working to undermine the project.
Travis was secretly injecting horror holo files into the Apollo database. VS is linked to a horror holo chat group. Could Travis have added VS himself to the database disguised as a horror holo file?
Travis' fake Gaia had a virus in it that Tilda discovered (Latopolis datapoint.) Could that be VS trying to escape?
So I think VS got loose on Sirius, and tried to end their colony, and also sent the signal to Earth to end Gaia.
I think Earth has thrived because they *didn't* have a corrupted Apollo database with VS in it.
I think Sylens knows all of this. And I think he didn't stay to help, but because he came up with a more powerful plan than leaving Earth: to merge digitally with VS.
I love your theory! I was thinking Tate was somehow involved, because of the link to the horror holo sites where VS was potentially seen.
@@bethanm4981 s'ok if I'm wrong about details, but I think there's a _lot more to Travis than meets the eye!!_
Holy shit I love this theory
@@Bitter765 any improvements? Anything I missed?
nah we love travis
I hope that when we finally meet VS, it turns out to be incredibly neurotic and pantophobic, just a big delightfully pathetic ball of anxiety.
I really wish VS was the villain.
Nemesis sounds....remarkably off the rails as a concept, even in Horizon. Formed from the consciousnesses of multiple narcissists, determined to kill everything along with said narcissists.
Alright, I am here!
Did you get my message about why the Reapers do what they do?
@@addisonwelsh Yep. I am still confused.
@@alyseleem2692 Yeah, it makes no sense. Like I said, this stuff was not well written.
@@addisonwelsh Ah, well. Characters?
@@alyseleem2692 Whoo boy, that was a question and a half. There are a lot of characters in Mass Effect. I wouldn’t know where to start.
Hnmmm that has got me thinking. NEMESIS wants to kill Far Zenith but Far Zenith is now dead. Why would NEMESIS destroy Earth? It’s not logical. And what if HEPHAESTUS is still the true villain and finds a way to absorb NEMESIS now that it’s had contact with Far Zenith technology? I also believe we haven’t seen the last of SILVER, CYAN, and maybe even HADES.
VS is part of Nemesis... change my mind.
They should just drop the angle of climate change. They literally showed ALL of the climate change stuff in the promotional material. And it takes less than a backseat to the actual story of the game, and only serves to explain the crop failure in the world and the risen water levels
Stupid