How to set up a Traditional Bow, longbow or Recurve
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- Опубліковано 24 кві 2018
- When you get a new traditional bow, whether it be a longbow, recurve, or selfbow, there are a few things you'll need to set up before you go out to the archery range and shoot a few arrows or get out into the field for some bow hunting.
This video will show you how to set up your traditional bow's brace height, nock point, and arrow shelf. We start by discussing the bow's brace height and how to determine how high or low to set it. For most long bows and recurves brace height is adjusted by twisting or untwisting the bow string.
Next we set up the bow's arrow shelf by creating a pivot for the arrow. By creating a pivot point the arrow's contact with the bow is minimized which reduces the influence of bow torque on arrow flight.
Finally we look at setting the bow's nock point using a bow square available from www.3riversarchery.com
In future traditional archery videos we will discuss bow and arrow tuning, including bare shaft tuning to achieve perfect arrow flight.
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as someone very new to archery I really appreciate your videos, your attention to detail for every aspect of the bow itself to stance and etc., etc.. You don't assume that someone already knows the vocabulary either. Each video is VERY comprehensive, step by step with the reasoning/physics behind it. You are a great teacher. Thanks for putting your knowledge out here in cyber space!
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" just get out there and start flinging arrows, and have some fun" quote of the day ! another great video
Thanks much
Your videos on Archery are one of the best informative out there on UA-cam, Thanks. Always enjoy.
It's hard to find good traditional bow hunting or archery information, isn't it? Online resources have really made a difference no doubt, the physical businesses have all but disappeared.
I want to say that your channel is amazing and I am using it as a tool as I try to learn about something that I THOUGHT I knew so much about, hahaha. The information you are providing to help people understand the real depth of the sport/craft is fantastic. You can just buy a bow. I think it is important to know how to use the tools that you aquire and you have very good info about things that people like, me, have never known about. I grew up shooting, my whole life... Was never taught or showed any of this or any of the terminology or metrics. Still fun. But knowing, is half the battle, lmao.
Ive learned more watching clay than reading any books. Thanks Clay for your knowledge and for teaching this traditional art.
Really enjoyed this. Nice work! It’s amazing to hear the story that drives a fellow hunter. Your thoughtfulness in how you approach hunting and woodsmanship are truly inspiring and most of us can only hope to be so keen. Thanks for making this available. Will continue to share it. Cheers - Eric
I'm extremely grateful you have all these videos available
Thanks
Your older vids were the ones that first got me building and shooting self bows. This new series is a great f
review. Thanks for all of them, Clay.
Thanks, I’m glad you’re enjoying them.
Stumbly, do you exclusively use your self-made bows now that you know how to build them?
We really enjoy your videos about archery. Informative, concise and very CLEAR. And, having asked you a couple questions about bow buiding, your reply was very fast. That shows you care. Thanks Clay. Wish you good health to you and your family and a safe holiday season. (M.G., Quebec, Canada)
great content. all your videos ive watched make it fun and simple to lear even the more advanced terms and skills. thanks
Buying my first bow soon, this right here is gold.
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Clay Awesome Video!!! Thanks for taking the time to share you knowledge
Great video mate .. You have done a lot to promote traditional archery .. Good on you bro
Thanks
Just got a 60# "takedown" recurve for Christmas! I and my daughter have been shooting a couple of really, really old, stripped down, Bear compound bows I got off of Craigslist for 40 bucks total for a couple of years now. Not at all a compound fan, but they were dirt cheap and it's a shared activity we both really enjoy. But I digress.
I have not owned a recurve for 45 years, and that old Bear bow from the 1970's had a flat shelf. The two recurves I mentioned do too. I had absolutely no idea how to shoot a bow with a convex shelf...until now. Thanks!!!! I'll use a carpenter's square and blue painter's tape to find and temporarily mark nock points until a proper bow square arrives and I learn to use thread to mark nock points. Again, thanks!
Once again, a very well done and extremely helpful video. Thanks
Very good video Clay very informative! Thank you.
Thanks a lot for your help Clay! Great presentation
Just got my bow and this video has been the most helpful!, excellent!
that lill tip on pinching the leather omg so basic so brilliant I mean lack of drag on the arrow spine. I'm buying my first good intermediate bow in couple of months a southwest archery spyder will be following your setup tips and hints cheers Clay
I am new to traditional archery and am excited to see the bow tuning video. Thank you for all of the good information!
Thanks
What brought you into traditional archery? Hunting or just for the fun of shooting archery?
Clay I have been since 1968 with Traditional equipment. I been taught that one of greatest maintanance for bro bow is keeping string waxed & more wax which. Reduces friction sand ware of the string. I always carry tube string in back quiver and in my Danny pack. Think others would do.
Thanks for your info sharers my grand kids are getting from you. They too are steering away from training wheels and now enjoy archery more.
Very good! Thanks Clay
Nice video Clay, I have made hundreds of these bows but still learn something new when I see someone else do it. One little tip that may be helpful is that when a bow is on a long string as long as it isn't too long. It will read about the same weight as if it were braced, so if you long string it to 24" you will be about 12# heavy when you brace it.
Cool!
Awesome video for us new to archery your channel is a godsend.
I got ptsd and anxiety so for me archery is meditation and relaxation. Im in a bow club and loaning gear now. But am out of work so cant afford my own gear i dream of having a good recurve bow and target so i can shoot everyday would help me a lot both with the ptsd/anxiety and getting in better shape.
Great book for anyone that wants to understand and learn about traditional archery.
Thanks
love your videos Clay keep them coming! :)
Always!
This helps since I'm pretty new to Archery. I own a pretty cool Recurve with 50 pound limbs on it (hunting bow)
I want to get some 35 or 40 pound limbs for practice..
But either way shooting the bow is fun. Just taking it out and letting them arrows fly.
Really really fun activity...
I look forward to buying another bow. And then one day even a Compound bow.
But traditional archery is alot more fun for me.
Hey clay, thanks for the great videos! You helped influence me to go into the traditional realm! I got my first recurve yesterday and have been all over your videos!
I had a question on the tuning process. How does the twist of the string effect the flight of the arrow? If you have a nock left or right, how would you twist the string to help correct that?
Thanks!!
I agree with shooting off the shelf. I've used a number of different arrow rests over the years, and while they all have their place, off the shelf is the most efficient. It is also quicker to shoot again from the shelf. I cover the entire shelf. A good one is going to have a slight arch, so it will always have minimal contact. And you are right about many different materials being effective. Leather, felt, moleskin, the fuzzy part of velcro, etc. all work.
I tried a brass nock for quite a while and didn't like it. Fingernail polish sufficed, and while it occasionally needs refreshing it didn't bother me.
Recently, however, I've gone retro. I'm working with a horsebow, or some say "Mongolian", "Hungarian", or "Sythian", several different names for very similar styles, but horsebow covers them all. I'm trying to figure out if a mechanical release will take the place of the thumb release........
Great content as always. Can't wait for that tuning video.
Thats one nice looking bow.
Another great video.
Cool vid, I use 1 knock, split finger so have my arrow rest on my tab, im new....ish to archery i.e tried it years ago, liked it but just got more into bike's, and didnt shoot much..now at 52 getting back into it but since i cant ride anymore its my new hobbie and i love it..had a few cross bows but like the challenge of learning a new skill..i watch a tone of archery vids as the course im taking wont start until November so for about 6 weeks been learning all i can from guys like you, and yes im subbed but dont often comment. But found the tieing knock interesting as ive found the brace ones also scratch onto the tab, well does mine so i was interested in that, so thankyou for that little trick ill probably use myself.
Del mayor interés. Muchas dudas despejadas. Muy bueno.
i learned alot about nock point i'm going with the tie on method
As always good information. It doesn't make a difference if your a newbi or an old hand at archery there is always something to learn. Thanks Clay for sharing with us out here good stuff. Keep it up you are a big help lol and sometimes that voice in the dark. Take care. Ed
Thanks Ed.
"a voice in the dark"... I love it, and it's so true! All of the local Pro Shops I visit don't know much about traditional archery, and as a result when I look for things or information they get uncomfortable or in some cases impatient. Do you have any good local Pro Shops that know much about traditional archery and bowhunting?
Thank you Clay!
You’re most welcome.
Good information thanks!
You’re most welcome
Those are nice tips and I have to try and remember them since I am a new bow owner and is trying to set it up. I am currently trying to install the string and using the stringer seem to be difficult and I have given up on that.
I know it looks like it’s been a couple of years since your comment, but how’s your archery coming along? Hopefully you’ve found a way to string/destring your bow.
Thank you
Best trad bow set up vid on UA-cam. Tie on knocks save your complexity n.
Are you going to be doing any more videos on setting up bows? I'd be very interested in knowing how to do limb alinement on a take down recurve, just getting the limb running straight and adjusting the tiller correctly
Great videos and always a pleasure to watch, thank you for a.l the effort you put into them
I cover this for selfbows on my patreon site but that’s a lot different than for glass bows.
Clay just curious, the bow used in this video, is that a stock grip, or a wood replacement grip ? I enjoyed your whole video series, not only this one video, keep up the great work
Hi, i'm enjoying your videos.
Just a question, where did you found the parts where you stick the leather of your arrow rest ? This kind of things is almost impossible to find in my country...
I'd add a small tidbit to string your bow and let it sit for a day or so to get the stretch out(if it's a new string). Really screwed me up with my first bow initially setting the nock point and a day later it was way off. Just my .02¢. Another awesome vid man. Any plans for a bow review?
That is a gorgeous looking bow. I want to get back into traditional archery I’m struggling on making a decision if I want to go with an all wooden recurve bow or something like what you did which is more like all weather resistance. If I go with a metal bow or any type of bow I really want it to be traditional I would never put sites on their stabilizers any of those things. Are there more people using wooden recurve bows or are there people shifting towards these machines aluminum risers similar to what you have?
Recently subscribed to your channel and love it, great videos and lots of information with no BS. On the subject of Recurve bows I’m kind of new to it (use to shoot a longbow and recurve years ago then went to compound) Anyways I want to get back into traditional and was wondering what poundage I should start out at? I was thinking either #45 or #50 should be fine? Will be doing target shooting for now
If you’re focused on targets then 45 would be great.
Clay Hayes thank you for the information
Great video very straight forward good info. Great job
Thanks Bud
Thanku 😊
Are you still planning to release a video series on arrow tuning? I’m a fairly new recurve owner, and My arrow nocks are not consistent no matter how short I make the arrows. I imagine that the distance to the target also makes a difference in terms of where the nock ends up (left or right). Any insight would be great. Thx.
Great video Clay. Just a quick question on what that small leather loop right above the wood grip infront of the arrow shelf rest on the belly side of the riser. What does it do/for?
Love your videos! What kind of bow is this?
Great video Clay - I just finished building a longbow and was wondering, do you add material on the arrow shelf and for a strike plate on a longbow where the shelf is not cut to center (so it would push the arrow even further out?) I haven't added anything to mine but am not sure if I should or not... Thanks!
Most people add a thin piece of leather.
Thanks
Welcome
Clay I need an experts knowledge! I’m super new to this but I bought a recurve bow and I just added string silencers and I also bought new arrows, and I’m getting a lot of contact with the actual riser not the shelf. My brace height is 7 1/2 inches. When it was stock it was shooting amazing but loud. My nock was at 3/8 and it was spot on and now my arrow flight is all over the place, I’m hitting my target but the arrow sometimes goes into the target at a angle, have alot of skid markets on the riser and shelf
Great job on the videos. Any advice on how to determine a starting point brace height for a self bow of unknown recommended height?
Start at 7 work up probably end up around 7 1/4- 7 1/2
Great video, what about the centershot, should we completly the centershot?
Thanks in advance
Idk diddly about bows, looking at getting my first one. What string silencers are those? They look like cattails, love the natural look of em. Thanks for the info, will be checking more of your vids, subbed!
Just some beaver fur.
I love that bow man! I just got one very similar to it.
What is it?
Logan Woldridge Junxing F263, also known as the Big Rock Pharos. It’s my favorite bow out of all of them. That’s the F163 that you have I believe. Some American companies buy them and resell them under their own name. Still great though!
@@gigilaco I have a Big Rock Black Hunter... same thing?
Logan Woldridge Sorry man, I got confused. the Black Hunter is totally different from the Pharos. The Pharos looks similar to the one in the video. Your’s is a wooden riser I believe. It’s an amazing bow from what I’ve heard.
Thanks for follow up to my question re limb thickness.
Video never starts. You’re welcome
I really like that take down, who is it by?
What is that small thing on your bow making it a center shot? I’m asking because I use a 3 piece bow with an aluminum riser. I know for wood bows you can glue leather but what do you recommend for mine? Thank you!
Have you done the fixed crawl video?
Me: "Mom, can we have Cam Hanes?"
Mom:"We have Cam Hanes at home."
Cam Hanes at home: Clay Hayes
Just kidding man, into the traditional bow stuff, love your content. Subscribed🎯💯👍
Excellent video sir, now that you have had this bow for a while, how do you like it. It is a good looking bow. I have made the switch back to a recurve this year, and I have tossed the idea few times on a more modern traditional bow, I just don't know for sure if I really need a bow with ILF limbs etc. Thanks again my friend and have a blessed week sir.
Dale
I still like my selfbows but for a more modern bow, this is a good option.
What did you switch back to as far as a bow?
I switched back to a recurve. That is what I kearned how to shoot with and switched back to one this year. Bear Kodia. For the time being.
I switched back to a recurve. That is what I kearned how to shoot with and switched back to one this year. Bear Kodia. For the time being.
I switched back to a recurve. That is what I kearned how to shoot with and switched back to one this year. Bear Kodia. For the time being.
New to traditional archery. Starting with Black Hunter 45 lbs 28 draw. Arrow is flying totally different from my compound. From the black Hunter, the arrow is starting out straight at 10 yards but curves right. I think the fletching is hitting the arrowplate. If so, how do I correct that. Thanks Clay…BTW…just finished watching Season 8 of Alone. Congratulations!!!!
@Clay Hayes I have a bow that came with a string and a nock point.
When I nock the arrow it doesn't "click" into the string . It slides in (too easily).
When I shoot with this 45# bow the arrows seems to end up a foot or more higher than my 35# bow although I am aiming so much lower. Is it a string problem with a nock point being too low?
Hey man first off your not getting full energy transfer to your arrows and that means that it's going to your limbs and that's bad for the bow you either need to change your nock size to the proper fit or go to a shop and reserve the bow string with larger serving thread the first is better that way you can nock tune your arrows to dynamic spine and or broadheads. if you hunt but that is why you're arrows are off the nock has to be snug on the string without penchin the string.redo your string nock points as well use two this keeps the nock secure from movement when you draw the bow
6:47 ... come on dude 😂😂😂
Just for you buddy!
Informative video! Can I ask about what you prefer? Do you prefer selfbows you made and hunt with them, also is that your main bow which you are showing to us?
I hunt almost exclusively with self bows. But most people shoot more modern equipment which is why I chose this bow for the demonstration.
Ah, makes sense then. Btw, how do you fit arrow quiver to a self bow, do they have adjustable straps so you can fit them on bows of various limb width/thickness?
The ones from creekwalkertrading.com do.
They look awesome, not sure they ship to Europe though
@@clayhayeshunter Those Quivers do look awesome! What's been your experience with them moving vertically up and down the limbs?
Could you do a review on this bow... I have seen it in the TBH magazine..
@brock77kb can you tell me the name of that bow? I've been trying to track it down myself. Thanks!
Good stuff Clay, who makes that cool riser?
Check them out at eclipsebroadheads.com
I'm finger shooting a compound 3 under with a capture rest how can I find the best knock point height or should I just raise the rest plunger up so the arrow is straight thanks
Hey clay, Is braid bad for serving? My factory serving and the one my local archery shop did both came loose.
They probably weren’t wrapped tight enough or wrapped the wrong way.
I would like your thought or reviews of that warewolf recurve bow in the video from Eclipse Broadhead.Do you know where it is made? Thank you for your time.Great video.
I don’t have a lot of experience with different ILF bows so I can’t offer a good comparison. But, this one shoots great and the ILF limb system is pretty darn cool.
This is a junxing f161 ... rebranded under a different name ... can buy them direct from junxing for 249.00 tyd
@@timcraft1728 looks like a Galaxy Sear..the Junxing F161 limb pockets look different..its more sharp on the belly side.
Tirer avec une palette et les trois doigts dessous est pour moi une aberration quand on utilise un longbow ou un bowhunter ! Mais ce n’est que mon avis 🙂
Para qual lado a pena indicativa fica? Para cima ou para o lado direito.
What type of glue do you use to set strike plate and shelf
Great video! Can anyone here tell me what bow/brand he is using in it? Thanks! :)
You need to start a tv series ? I would watch it
TV costs way too much. Airtime I mean.
And the only way to keep most people watching would be to have b-list celebrities doing some kind of competition with a bunch of fake drama filler.
Clay, does the nock point change when the string is removed and then reattached?
Not if you don’t change the twist.
Im new to recurve bow hunting and I was wondering if you break your bow down after each use? As in taking string off. I have a modern recurve bow with laminated limbs.
You should always unstring your bow. That eliminates much of the risk of accidentally cutting or damaging your string. Your bowlimbs won't suffer much set as they're laminated, but I would always unstring the bow.
@@yeanisch Hi, should I take off nock after I unstring bow? If not how do I adjust nock once tightened? Thank you
@@hollernathan do you mean your nock point on the string?
@@yeanisch yes
Brass nock. Do I take it off every time! If not how to adjust it once it’s tightened. Thank you
Thanks for the great info! Do you have any experience with blunt tip arrows for target practice? I got a great deal on an older recurve, but I live in the suburbs. I've got an area that I can get about a 20-25 shot to practice in but I'm nervous to put a sharpened tip in case of a wild shot.
sure, they're several types of blunt and stump shooting tips to choose from.
What's the thinking on the shelf having that raised part? Why is less contact with the bow better?
Exactly
With an ILF bow, such as the Hoyt satori, how long can it be left strung without risk of over wear and tear 4 damage to the bow in any way? Such as if it's shot everyday or every other day, can it be left strung? Or should it be unstrung when not in use
Just leave it strung.
@@clayhayeshunter awesome, thank you for getting back to me... LOVE your videos
Is that the TBow which is the clone to the Hoyt Satari ?
Ok so if you have a bow you built from a kit or someone had built how would you determine the best brace height if it if you have no information on the best brace height is for that bow
The bowyer usually has a recommended brace height. Mine are usually between 6.5-7".
i bought a mesa mountain longbow backed with rattlesnake never had one before i usually shoot my mathews.
What recurve? bow are you shooting in this video?
What brand of bow is that
For my first bow I got the Cabela's warden recurve. How would you set this up for hunting? Rest or no? Sight or no?
What size arrow/tip?
I hunt in very thick rainforest country.
thumbnail for the video showed 400 spined arrows? What draw weight?
The book by TJ Conrad is $400-$500 on Amazon. I'm thinking your book is a better purchase? Will it teach me the same things for the most part?
🤔 that doesn’t sound right. Check with the folks at www.tradbow.com
@@clayhayeshunter I'll do that. Sometimes when books get harder find, some folks think they become worth a small fortune.
Do you leave your bow strung when not in use?
yes for glass bows, no for wooden bows
What is the bow make and model?
afternoon clay! you sir are a true gent. Apprichiate all your knowledge and the way you explain.. without the take on self loving anus's, too familiar these days!
After watching all your video's!
I've stuck my neck out and bought a traditional recurve.
I could do with help, or any ideas towords keeping the arrow sitting on the arrow shelf and not having a tendency to slide off as I draw back?
The bow is 1/4 inch off centre or so which I find a little awkward without having my finger knuckle against the shaft. any ideas be mucho apprichiated...
If you tie a second nock point below the nock, then use to that to slide your tab up again (as opposed to sliding it right up to to r nock) it should help. That way your strong fingers aren’t touching the arrows nock when you draw. Hope that makes sense.
@@clayhayeshunter Cheers for a reply Clay. Sorry for the confusion with my message.
I find when I draw the arrow back, the arrow shaft wants to come off the arrow shelf... being bare traditional bow? maybe it's just me being a novice and with time and experience it will come natural to me? any ideas or useful tips on keeping the arrow sat on the shelf as I draw back? I seen your tip for building up the shelf... to make as little contact/friction point. Was wondering if you could do that with a slight angle pointing in towards the handle, so as to try and keep the arrow on as I pull back🤔
The brace height shown is not actually 7" and not that "low" because it's not being measured at the typical place on the grip, where the thumb web on the hand sits when gripping the bow. It looks like if his brace height were measured in the typical place, it would be closer to 7.5 inches, a rather typical brace height for many recurve bows.
Why Sullivan Stapleton is explaining how to set Up a bow? 😂😂😂😂 Thanks for yours videos Clay!!!! Saludos from España!
Oh come on. I’m much better looking...
Where do I get a shirt like that?
Hoyt Satori 21" ILF riser mated to a set of DAS xtra long longbow limbs, makes for a 66" longbow. Using proper string length of 63" (subtract 3" from the distance between limb tips/string nocks) my natural brace height with an untwisted string is about 9" off the back of the shelf. There is literally no way for me to lower that brace height without using a shorter set of limbs.
If you want to lower the brace then use a longer string.
@@clayhayeshunter I actually just found an article on brace height at Lancaster Archery that has a bit of info I have not seen elsewhere. It indicates that the longer the bow, the higher the proper brace height will be. So for a 66" bow, proper brace height should be 8-1/4" to 9". So, I am right in that zone on my Satori, and a bit short on my 60" Jaguar Elite.