New CYC X1 Pro Gen 4 being released in January 2024 X12 controller and 8500 watts of peak power
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
- New CYC X1 Pro Gen 4 being released in January 2024 X12 controller and 8500 watts of peak power
X1 PRO GEN 4
Available Jan 2024
New CYC motor coming next year which looks better than the X1 Pro gen 3
And the New CYC X12 controller
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Its not an 8.5kw motor. Its not even 5kw sustained on man. You know better.
I'm just saying what they have on the website. I haven't used it myself so cannot give an honest review or have an opinion on what total power output can be achieved.
Can you do a vid on it @highvoltagekits ??
They are saying its 8.5kw on the website? @baconbuttties
@@HighVoltageKits they are stating 8.5kw peak power from the X12 controller on the web site, am I wrong?
"With double the capacity of the Gen 3's X6 controller, the X12 controller is capable of 84V and 120A input that delivers up to 8.5kW of peak power."
It's 8 months since I got my 3rd gen. Stealth and still going strong.
Maybe all the issues were from riding wide open all the time
I ride mine at the lowest setting and mostly pedal assist and no issues
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thats like buying a Porsche and going slow always, it's touted as fast and powerful that's why most people purchase it.
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@@howardridge1153 I ride jump trails and bomb down mtb trails and last up to 4 hrs going up and down the trails on the lowest settings.
While everyone breaking down and complaining I'm still going strong in fact I took it apart cleaned it inspected the gears and grease it I'm happy while everyone is pissed
@@melbournechugging2999 four hours, MMMmmmm, lets see the video evidence.
I see a lot of people complaining on Reddit and various UA-cam videos about the release of a new Gen 4. However, it's the only way for a company to move forward and improve a product. I view this release as an update that addresses the weaknesses of Gen 3. I'm quite happy that they released it. I really like CYC.
I agree, it's the best way to move forward if there are issues with Gen 3, although sending a replacement Gen 3 which is known to have issues has left people like me feeling like i have thrown a £1000 away.
My x1 gen 4 died after 15 miles of hard riding. I had a 72v battery. The motor controller actually died and killed the throttle as well. But my wife has a 52v x1 pro with 300 miles on it so far and it’s working great. She does not push it like I did. I don’t think the x6 and gen 3 were designed for 72v high amp setups. I have an x12 and ds103 on the way and hopefully the motor is okay and just the controller went kaboom. I’ll update with the results when parts arrive.
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Update 1: Installed the x12 controller and the motor will not spin without a bit of a turn while applying throttle. When it is spinning rpm is low and the motor feels more like a diesel engine than electric. So more than likely a magnet is cracked or a hall effect sensor burn up when the old controller died. Emailed electrify bike (cyc us partner) to get a replacement. Will update when new motor arrives.
@@CousinBumbleFHope it gets sorted.
Any new updates? @@CousinBumbleF
@@recklessthor4 Yes, the warranty motor did not arrive yet but I went ahead and ordered the gen 4 motor and gearbox through CYC directly. Sadly it seems like the 72v electrifybike sharkpak battery had also bit the bullet when the controller blew. So the saga continues. I may order the new style 72v battery from electrify bike. It has been one thing after another with this conversion kit but sunken cost and I go hand in hand so not giving up yet.
Good to hear from you again Bacon 🙂
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Just picked up a CYC X1 GEN 3 in early November and mounted it on my Trek Farley 5 fat tire bike. I use both pedal assist and some throttle too. Not so much a top speed junky I really like trail riding this bike on the local MTB trails which are very steep in my area. 47 miles in the controller died while pulling away from a stop at a very light load. Dead shorted, I looked down when it quit and the battery connector was glowing red! Luckily I could easily unplug it before anything else was damaged. Running a Electrify Bike Co. 52 volt 20AH shark pack and it survived the ordeal. I bought a new controller and am back in business but the unit cuts out under load when things get bumpy on the trail or street. CYC did warranty the controller so I have another backup but hope I don’t need it. I really wanted to step up to 72 volts but am worried if 52 volts killed the last controller there is probably no way it will handle 72 volts. Would like to try the gen 4 on another bike of mine but may wait awhile to see how well it works out in general population before I try one out. Love the power of the current setup but not sure how long the drivetrain will handle it.
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Hope the gen 4 really solves their issues. Reliability really has been their Achilles heel. But I'm apt to believe that they're probably going to continue to be prone to magnet separation until they switch to IPM, sleeved design, or otherwise provide an interference fit for the magnet.
Currently run a BBSHD on mine. Ate a controller around 1500 miles. Currently pushing 10k on the unit across 2 different frames. Flashed the open source firmware on it a while ago. The thing's been a gem of reliability. I pop the thing apart once or twice a year, clean, re-grease, and re-seal. Those motors are awesome, though the waterproofing isn't the best. I've not had any issues with mine, but I try real hard to stay ahead of it because I knew that going in. I keep waiting for something to wear out internally but it hasn't happened yet.
Shoot... I'm low-key hoping this controller dies. Gives me an excuse to throw an ASI external on there. But at the same time, I'm also not because that's a spendy thing.
I'll also give an honorable mention to the shimano LG700 cassettes and hope pro 5 ebike hubs. Those things are *sturdy.* I'm not particularly gentle on my components. Not intentionally abusive, to be clear. But I run them hard. 52v battery, 33 amp current, 300-350lbs of self+bike+cargo. Those things handle it just dandy.
Those BBSHD motors are reliable, I wish I had gone for one and an external controller.
I still love my gen 3, I never touched my Aventon Aventure fat tire bike after I tried to CYC motor, again it will be nice if they send us the upgrade kit for discount price or maybe free ha ha ha. That's going to put their company back on top, and customers going to trust them again.
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I'm considering buying one. Actually, I currently have on order the Photon motor with the intentions of putting it on my Framed Wolftrax Carbon fat tire bike. As shipping issues have stalled the Photon motor somewhere in Hong Kong for far too long, I have since reached out to CYC Motors to see if they will recall the Photon and allow me to pay the difference to send me the X1 Pro Gen 4 instead. We'll see what they say. Fingers crossed that whichever motor I receive that it fits and works flawlessly. Thanks for the videos!
Hope it goes well whichever one you receive 👍
So my first high power mid drive was a bbshd woth asi controller from NXT, i have the luma cycle steel reduction gear which is amazing. I use two setting 1500 watt max for long rides like40+ miles and 3200 watts for around town road riding
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Ive got the Bafang 250 watt mid drive. I stuck the illegal throttle on and find it works well as you need a throttle every si often. Wanted to stay mainly legal bur wished id got the 500 watt bafang
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I also have two X1 gen 1 stealth with both having the X6 controller. They work fantastic, the powers usually sitting between 1800 and 2000 watts but I'm usually cruising at around 1500 watts and it does great 1 motor has very little miles on it which I'm trying to sell cuz I have no I will say the only thing the older style bottom brackets go nuts with the X6 controller
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"better thermal performance" that's tech speak for "the version 3 overheated too often". Still, you'd think throwing even more power at it isn't going to resolve that issue!
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I used a bafang 1000w bbshd it did around 2500 miles and popped a controller. To me was very reliable.i replaced with a cyc gen 2 for no reason I ran on a 2000w 52v Battery and it loved it. Rode for around 200 miles as I was waiting for a 5000w 72v. The 72v was insane but motor died in around 24 miles. There not 5000w motors I would say they like the 52v 2000w so it is all I would now run at. Long year for me.
I had a few Bafang motors and they have been super reliable.
I run BBSHD with 72V at 3800W and its been fantastic and reliable over 3000 miles now. Got another 2500 miles on it previously running 52V too. Great reliable motor and next level with BAC855 at 72V
@@jamo9000 thats good going 👍👍
I have a cyc x1 pro with 52v battery. The only problem I've had is that the first few weeks i was snapping sram chains now i running a kmc and no problem's at all with the motor or x6 controller with just under 700 miles
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I was going to buy the gen 3 but saw the issues and got a bbshd. The new Toseven dm01 and 02 seems to be a good motor and it's quite small.
You can't go wrong with a BBSHD 👍
I bought a gen 3. The torque converter was not working when it was below 5 celsius. They sended me, a few weeks later, a new torque converter. Now, everything is perfect.
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How is it in the snow/slush. I'm thinking about replacing my bafang bbshd with this. I'm more concerned with torque and how well it will hold up going up snowy hills with cargo.
I have my X1 program 3 using it with 52 volt battery close to 800 mi I have no problem with, but I'm using it on Trek Marlin 6 is 31 lbs bike, and it doesn't have, probably that was the issue on your bike, and I'm using gear 7 out of 11 because it's too much torque on, because if the chain broke and jam the motor that's what's going to happen, my only complaint is that when they bring the Gen 3 they said it's going to be compatible with 5000w and the weather honest, they never give us the option to get x12 to purchase, so now with the gen4 upgrade kit now you forced to get the motor and the x12, because it's going to be too much power on the gen 3 motor to handle , I wish that cyc listen to us and give us a discount price for gen 3 owners.
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I have two cyc X1 pro gen 3 installed on bikes. I'm running them with the X6 controllers and the power is usually around 2000 to 2500 watt Max so I'm not running the maximum power I could. And I've had no issues one motor is over 200 mi and the other one I think is at like 70 or 80 and both are working amazing.😊 Definitely looks like people that are pushing the controllers to the max are having the issues with their motors overheating and that's probably why I haven't had any significant temperature spikes
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200 miles is not even run in...
Im getting the gen 4 , fingers crossed it doesnt break lol
Hope all goes well 👍
Ordered a Gen 3 but was told about Gen 4 prior to shipping, so I opted for the Gen 4. Just waiting for them to ship from CYC, then mine will ship.
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How much more did you pay on top
Same price.
I originally ordered a 52V battery. Had I known of the upgrade when ordering, I may have ordered a 72V, but I’m building a fat bike and don’t really need all the power, but wanted more than Photon, but wasn’t waiting on the Proton later in ‘24.
@@mxrider458 oh that's good to know, hopefully that also means the gen 4 is 1200$, guess we'll find out for sure in January, otherwise you got a cool 50$+ off (bicycle motor works price is 1250)
Buy a sur ron buying a cyc is like getting a mystery box could be great motor or a motor with pinball machine parts 😂
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Need to see cyc x1 pro gen 4 bacon stress test
I would probably break it.
gen 4 looks great stats looks good. i would look agian in six or so months when pple have done some real world testing.see how it holds up .
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I don't know if they ever had issues with compatibility with the X6 with the original bottom brackets but any of the settings inside the app never did much for the old style torque sensors system.. you try to peddle with the power from the motor and it would just spiked straight up and buck me right off my so how I solved that problem is I just turned the torque off. I use throttle pretty much every where
Torque sensing was good on the X1 Pro Gen 3
All hail the Bafang G60 hub motor. 12k miles and still going like new
Fantastic mileage 👍👍
@@baconbuttties I'll be honest, I cleaned it up and put silicon grease on the nylon gears but she's good for a couple of ponies
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CYC Stealth 1600 miles until,the spray clutch went.
I wish I’d gone for the pro as the stealth motor gets hot quickly at 1.5kw
These motors should last a lot longer without faults.
@@baconbuttties couldn’t agree with you more for cost of them they shouldn’t fail so early.
It’s weird they feel well made and sturdy but….
The sprag clutch in the stealth is about the size of a £1 coin
Not sure it that’s sturdy enough for the power that goes through it 🤔
Will see how long this one lasts 😅
I want to purchase it, but I want to know first If I ride constantly at 50-60 km/h pedal assist and some throttle, then which battery do I need? What would be the autonomy of a 52v 25 ah battery?
52v 25 ah battery would be pretty good. No idea what kind of range you would get though
30-40km I want, but I doubt that 25ah is enough. I was told by my battery manufacturer that I need at least 35-40 ah in order to have a range of 40 km at high speed, since the consumption is enormous.
Already slagged them off on their official cyc youtube channel, in the advert they are just showcasing the new product. be nice if it lasts.
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I purchased the cyc pro gen 4 motor on the 9th of May, I'm still waiting or it be delivered.
That's a long time
I was using the x1pro gen 2 I have replaced two motors
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Look like they took off the listing for Gen 4 from their website
It's Still there
🤔 maybe CYC should fix the reliability of their motor … instead of making it 2x more powerful 😂🤣🫣 They should send you the Gen4! after your previous experience… 😢
I would like to try the Gen 4
Will there be a stealth version if no then what's the price for this
I expect the price to be around $1200.
Someone should put two EUC wheels on an e-bike as the latest wheels free spin up to 124mph.
E-bikes seem very under powered compared to them as they are already up to 168Volts.
168Volts 😲😲
so I’m not going to jump in on the reliability aspect. I’ve had a steel for a year now and absolutely loved it. My biggest concern being a Bike mechanic for over 20 years. Is this constant upping of power it’s kind of getting ridiculous. We are now at the point of breaking chains at nothing ripping drive chains apart at that much torque and that much wattage. I would rather see all of these companies, making more reliable more efficient motors they can give us better mileage at good torque and good wattage than giving us monster power that’s going to break easily because this is just like cars the bigger the motor and the more you ramp up the power the more things are going to break.😊
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that and weight. so many motors are weigh heavier than they need to be.
8500 watts !!! i would be worried about my rear sprocket and derailleur
i have often just used a single speed sprocket on my e bikes
I had to be careful on the gen 3 at 3700 watts
exactly@@baconbuttties
of course theres really a simple solution to all of this and that is ,stop buying kits over the internet , go to a bike shop and buy a brand name motor and bike with a full warranty and immediate service . everyone that does kits is too hung up on the initial cost but then realize they spend more time and money dealing with sht like this .
I don't think there are any bike shops that I could go to to buy a 4000 watt ebike.
"4000 watts" ? that's not an ebike , that's a motorcycle.
@@siriosstar4789 More of a Moped I would say
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Midrive motor are no good at all they haven't been good when first one came on the market I bought one had it 6month poof the best motor and I've had quite alot is rear drive motor for power reliability and performance. The only problem is the rear tyres it eats them. But it's the way you drive the bike in the first place. I bought 750wat Fat Tyre snow bike amazon. I've upgrade to 1500wat 35amp controller 48volt 20amp battery that battery came with the bike. Now I'm getting 40amp controller and I've got spare 52v 20 amp battery so I no for a fact it will do over 40mph. To change from 750wat to 1500wat wharf a difference in how smooth the bike is power when you need it. Fat tyre bike are OK it's the seat is to low for peddling so I've heighten the seat using pvc added 3uns now I can peddle. I'm hoig to ues tubeles tyres for punchers it's the best way to fix a puncher when your out you can do this at road side cause you need to carry inflater. Simple plug and glue and I'm riding bike home not walking or get a taxi. Why u think midrive motor pack in its because it to close to peddles the power from legs peddling is a strain on the motor that's my theory coud be wrong. Still like your videos spring is around the corner so I hope you get more bikes and make more videos. Have a good Xmas
It does go a bit quiet in the winter on ebike reviews. Should be some new ones coming in the New year 👍👍
Why not convert the fat bike to moto rims and go with motorcycle tyres slighly more weight but they will last longer and handle the speed better also less prone to puncture
@@haggisbasher2906 I could go for a 1500 watt rear hub motor to give it some more ummmph
I purchased the new cyc gen 4. It was a big mistake. And their customer service won't answer my questions. Stay away.
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The problem with CYC is not whether it gives power or not, the problem is that CYC engines break down well with 3000w or 5000w, and I think that the gen 4 is still the same engine, with the only difference that the engine is a 25% longer, but the motor magnets are still stuck with glue and anchored to the motor covers, just like the gen 3, and the CYC people say that they have redesigned the motor, I don't believe them, the gen 4 is the same engine garbage as the gen 3
It does look similar
motors, not engines