The Akatsuki vs the Espada!
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- The Red clouds vs the Aizen’s blades!
Which team wins?
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Aizen: «Well done, my Espada. Now, let us enjoy some tea.»
Then comes Madara...
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Don't forget espadas have the ability to trap people in dimensions
If you're talking what Grimmjow did to Ulquiorra, we only know it works by exploiting the hollow hole... so I don't know how well that would work against a non-hollow. If you're talking about Garganta, then we haven't actually seen an Espada even think to use that as anything more than transportation, so the likelihood of it coming up here is slim.
@@lo4tr oh ok cool👍
Been a while since I commented but I watched your most recent live stream and you took it down before I had a chance to finish, it kept me up and I ruined my sleeping cycle, but anyways still liking every video, you deserve it.
Also good that you recognized the akatsukis strength and respected them but its always been obvious that the espada are just superior
Barragan could solo the Akatsuki...
Nice video overall but there’s one thing I have major gripes with. The implied reiatsu level difference between Gillians and Vasto Lorde doesn’t seem very consistent or at the very least, doesn’t always apply. Shawlong can’t be stronger than Gentai Kaijo Toshirō (1/5 of his reiatsu), yet, be over 100,000 times weaker than a Vasto Lorde class Arrancar like Ulquiorra. That would imply Toshirō’s full power is like 20,000 times weaker than Vasto Lorde class Espada - which is ridiculous. He was competitive with and defeated Luppi and Harribel, albeit weaker than the latter, the power difference was nowhere near tens of thousands. It’s also confirmed in a databook that Toshirō did not train before or inbetween these battles, not that training would justify a 20,000 times reiatsu increase from someone that is already Captain level.
Thank you.
I don’t see a problem with it and he did train with Jinzen. When they enter their inner world to train, almost any amount of power is possible(with no set limitations to begin with). And besides that only scratched the surface of his adult form which he achieved, likely growing 100’s of years between the arrancar and TYBW (in terms of progress). And 100,000 times is like the gap between mountain and country level. When people say that Espadas like Harribel are country level, they are actually subscribing to that narrative. Some of them just don’t know what it means numerically.
@aizensworld9309 I honestly feel sorry for the one that is gonna fight grimmjow. Because CFYOW makes clear grimmjow will eat your soul to increase his power. Eating a kage level ninja's soul will be a pretty nice boost. Arrancar arc Grimmjow should go up against kakuzu.
Perfect
Do zaraki vs yamamoto
You definitely forgot Deidara who could probably pack a few Espada by himself most impressively Yammy. But yeah against Ulquiorra and Barragan no Akatsuki have a win condition really.
Agreed with your final assessment but I can see such a battle quickly spiraling out of control especially among the more egotistical, arrogant members from both factions. Some of the Ceros generated alone can end an entire group in a flash. Still, it be better to just be far away from such a clash. Far far away..........
I wouldn’t be caught within 1000 miles of this fight 🤣
@aizensworld9309 Got a question! Does las Noches have a sun ?
@@BigJohn303 no but it has radiation like sunlight thanks to daddy Aizen.
@@aizensworld9309 So an artificial sun ?
@@BigJohn303 no the ceiling has stuff imprinted on it. For lack of a better word. But there’s no solid evidence for a sun whether real or artificial.
im a massive naruto fan but espada solos but the only one who can solo the espada is obito
I personally think that Ressurecion Starrk, Resurrecion Barragan, and Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra could solo the Akatsuki by themselves. Even if you don't agree with that, the three of them together can certainly do it.
Ressurecion Starrk and Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra are both easily ftl+, capable of spamming contry+ attacks, have enough defensive hacks to shrug off the Akatuki's more dangerous abilities, have especially high intellect/sensory ability, and have so much raw Reiatsu that the Akatsuki are getting nerfed (if not outright passing out like Nanao did against Yamamoto) that they are too dangerous for any Akatsuki member to go 1-v-1 with. Barragn's Respira is enough to invalidate every Akatsuki member because I don't see any technique doing anything to get past it.
Great comment but I have some things which I dissagree. Comparing Nanao and Yamamoto is something which you shouldn't use as an argument because it's obvious that the Akatsuki scale above Nanao in SS. Barragan Respira is a powerful ability but it can be countered by having more Reaiatsu that's why Aizen can't be affected by it. Naruto character can also be scaled to FTL+ is you use Multipliers like CM2 being a 10 time amp. Also Stark isn't Country level+ and his attack aren't Country lvl there way weaker then that as you saw with the Shunsui Vs Stark battle.
Also Pain has great haxs and Itachi aswell I can make the argument that he can use his Yata mirrior or some other to defeat some Espada members. Also it's diffucult to use Reiatsu because we have people like Kisame having enough powers to have Buuji amount of Chakra. So it's diffucult to intererpert the amount of damage they would do.
@@abdulwaheed-dh3eh I'll admit that that the Nanao comparison was a bit hyperbolic, but I'm not implying that that Akatsuki are on Nanao's level nor am I implying that the three Espada are on Yamamoto's level. My point was that Reiatsu is shown to have negative effects on people just by existing, something not shown with Chakra. The weaker Akatsuki, not having dealt with that before, as well as still being human, would be effected by the high levels of Reiatsu, just not necessarily to the same degree as Nanao.
The counter to Barragan's respira requires massive amounts more Reiatsu to counter. Only somebody like Aizen is capable of doing so, meaning the only Akatsuki member I can see even feasibly pulling that off is Kisame, and it's debatable that his raw power scales that far above Barragan in Ressurecion. The other issue is that Reiatsu is shown to negate hax but Chakra is not shown to do so without a specific Jutsu being used. In the case of Barragan, any Jutsu they tried to use to negate his Respia would just age and break down anyway. The only one capable of directly countering Respira is Obito using Kamui, but he can't do anything to Barragan while phased out.
From what I recall, it's not consistent to scale any Naruto character to FTL, much less FTL+, until the war, in which the Akatsuki are gone. Dodging lightning is seen as a high-tier feat and even Itachi couldn't really handle Sasuke's Kirin. Though, it's true he was sick and wanting Sasuke to win, so it's hard to claim that was his fastest. I'd still say only characters that make it to the war scaling (Obito and Zetsu) could be comfortably considered FTL. The others I'm okay with putting in the Relative to Light category, but not beyond that.
I meant that Starrk was Country+ simply because of the amount of attacks he can spam at once. Thousands of ceros are no joke. I compared that output to that of Ulquiorra because I believe they are on the same level of power... but I'll concede that Starrk has less direct power output and his strengths lie more in stability.
As for the hax of the Akatsuki, I just don't think Pain or Itachi are fast enough to really make use of them consistently, Pain especially. Itachi's Yata Mirror does provide some great defense, though the Totuska Blade is useless here and relying on defense won't help him much in the long run. Pain has a variety of abilities, but most of them are not that useful against characters faster than him. He has to catch you to use the soul stealing, he has to be in front of you to absorb energy, his summons are fodder in this fight, etc...
Finally, having thought about it more, I'm comfortable walking back my statement that Starrk, Ulquiorra, and Barragan could solo the Akatsuki individually. But, I'll stand by what I said that the three of them could do so together. The biggest problem with any one of them doing it alone is that the hax of the Akatsuki become a LOT more effective when you can use team tactics to distract and negate the speed advantage. Especially using Itachi's Tsukuyomi or Pain's more dangerous attacks. However, this advantage is removed when you have multiple Espada to contend with. I firmly believe that Bleach characters scale higher than Naruto characters at any similar point between the respective series.
@@lo4tr Great comment once again. But I dissagree with most of your arguments. First of all most Akatsuki are well in to FTL, you can make an argument for people like Hidan, Kakazu to be not around FTL speed. Itachi was able to use an attack called water bullet, and Kakashi who's in this state doesn't have MS is able to observe and react to this attack.
Another way is to get people in to FTL ranges is by using Darui statements. He's able to use an attack which moves at the speed of light once again Databook. And a fatigued Sasuke is able to react to this attack and scales above Darui. Also Sasuke (ms) < Pain + Obito + Kisame + Itachi + Black Zetsu etc. There another way having them in to FTL ranges as Raikage is said to move around the SOL and Naruto is able to react and blitz this form and Naruto.
There many haxs which can defeat most low tier Espada member. As like Ameterasu a fire which can burn true every attack till the enemy is burn. We have genjutsu which is able to work on people even if they don't have Chakra. Even Espada member can be attack with this as Chakra consist of Spirtuel + Body energy = Chakra. As infinity Tsukoyomi or other Genjutsu are able to effect the Naruto world even non Shinobi's.
Also Pain summoning and Haxs is want to talk aren't even that bad. Pain has abilities able to absorb ninjutsu and is able in the Databook able to reflect all kind of attack. Obito has Kamui which he can use and it's almost impossible to discover when he's going to use it and when not. Also the weaker Akatsuki member which are mostly (Hidan and Konan and White zetsu) Those are the only which I can mention maybe having some problems with them as people like Kakazu have endured that amount of pain.
Kakazu himself is also someone who's worth taking in consideration. He has a diamond armour which is stated in the Databook to be Immortal. Also most of the Akatsuki scale probably much higher in AP then the Akatsuki as it's said that only the TOP 4 espada are around Country lvl + and most Akatsuki member are around Multi continental like (Itachi, Kisame, Pain, Deidara, Zetsu, Obito) scale around that level and some even scaling higher.
So to be honest I think your actually underestimating the Akatsuki member. But even tho where extremely lowballing characters like Obito who get dozens of Amps I still think. Akatsuki have a great chance of pulling a great fight. But I agree that the Espada will win because (Yammy and some other characters) But it's def a mid/high diff but obv where downscaling the Akatsuki by alot.
@@abdulwaheed-dh3eh I very well could be underestimating the Akatsuki, but I should point out that I don't believe most of the low-tier Espada would do much against the Aatsuki anyway. Personally, I believe it comes down to Starrk, Ulquiorra, and Barragan against Itachi, Pain, and Obito. Most of the other, on both sides, aren't going to play much of a roll outside of fodder/distraction.
I'm not throwing Nel or Grimmjow in here because, as stated in the video, we're taking scaling and characters only from the Arrancar arc... which is why I'm using most scaling of the Akatsuki from where they were at the time rather than retroactive statements made later in the war. So, I don't think they scale that high in speed, though I'll admit I'm probably underestimating the attack potency. My only issue with attack output is that the Akatsuki's output tends to be the more powerful techniques, whereas the Espada tend to be able to spam similar levels of power. The Espada have the raw stats whereas the Akatsuki have the versatility.
I think the main disagreement between us is simply how we view the scaling between the two verses. And, I'm not going to say that I'm right or you're wrong in that. It's been a while since Ive seen/read either series and, in terms of power, it's far more complicated in Naruto then Bleach, where the latter series tends to just spam energy blasts like its Dragon Ball verses Naruto, where there's a to more nuance to it.
I think you're overestimating the Akatsuki a little bit and you think I'm underestimating them... at the very least, we seem to be mostly in agreement when it comes to the scaling on the Bleach end of things.
@@lo4tr What's your discord I'm sorry if see this comment but I have some bug not able to see my comment so that's why I'm asking
Awesome video man
Thanks!
With all due respect the akatsuki stands no chance
I agree
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Please otsutski clan vs espada
2:45 Madara using a light speed attack wouldn’t discredit the other feats and statements that establish light speed combat and reaction speed earlier in the series.
In context it would. If the other statements are genuine then light would be like a snail to 6 paths characters. Why use a snail against a guy who just slammed you, whom you judge to be at 6 paths level?
Uryu has sub relativistic to relativistic feats too, even early on in Bleach but I apply the same judgment to both sides as I saw fit.
Of course everyone’s opinions are welcomed though.
The context was Madara swinging his neck. He wasn’t just pointing straight at Naruto he swung his neck at a greater speed. Both series have comparable speeds but the notion of one instance of Naruto dodging an attack in the realm of light speed some negating the idea other feats reaching that level. You could have just as easily mentioned when Lillie Barro became a light owl and a captain struggles to avoid his attacks if you wanted to set a level playing field.
@@onesmart229 I disagree. If he swung at Naruto at said speed to catch up, it makes the case even worse. Also the databook said the swing is at said speed, not greater(“which makes it impossible to evade on swing”). Which captain struggled with Lille’s light? Shunsui with a baseball hole in his chest and drained Reiatsu? And why would Lille be relevant (since I didn’t grant any Espada light speed anyway)? I’m pretty sure I gave both sides a range.
@@aizensworld9309 Shunsui got those injuries and lost stamina because he was failing to dodge. The databook didn’t mention the swing of Madara’s neck. I am saying it would be better to mention both.
@@onesmart229 no that’s incorrect. Lille’s light form emerged after he blast a hole through Shunsui. You’re confusing it with the X axis’ first Vollstandig form which ignores the concept of dodging.
Yes it did. It mentioned the ‘swing’. There’s a difference between the ‘piercing’ action of the straight beam and the ‘swinging’ action of moving something downwards or sideways(which was provided by Madara’s neck movement). It’s a matter of context.
Sorry if I don’t reply after this (have some editing to do)but I appreciate the support that you guys give through comments. Good points as well 🙏
Sternritters is mains antagonistics of series and theys is responsable for deaths of characters,no espadas
Espadas is Secondary antagonistics of series is not like akatsuki because is 10
,but sternritters was like akatsuki
Look
Madara & Kaguya VS Yhwach
Pain VS Jugram
Obito VS Askin
Konan VS Pernida
Itachi VS As Nodt
Kisame VS Gerard
Hidan VS Bazz-B
Kakuzu VS Mask de Masculine
Deidara VS Bambietta
Sasori VS Gremmy
Zetsu VS Lille Barro
Jūzo VS BG9
Hozuki VS Lu Cang
*BONUS*
Sasuke VS Uryu
Orochimaru VS Aizen=
Aizen is main antagonist of part 1 of bleach series
Orochimaru is main antagonist of part 1 of naruto series
It doesn’t matter if the Sternritters are responsible for the deaths of most of the characters. You’re honestly not making any sense. There is no “secondary” antagonist when comparing the Sternritters and Espada. They were all the antagonist of their own arcs. That’s like saying Aizen is a secondary antagonist to Yhwach. No, he was the main villain throughout the first arc and the Fake Karakura Town arc. He did Akatsuki va Espada, because they’re more popular then the Sternritters.
@@msxd1280 is truth,but espada are secondary antagonists of series and main antagonists of first half series,for this aizen was main antagonist of first half,and sternritters are mains antagonists of series and was overarching antagonists of first half and main antagonists of second half of series,for this yhwach is main antagonist of series,appeared as zangetsu and overarching antagonist of first half and main antagonist of second half of series
This was about as nonbias as you can get and it proves everytime bias is thrown out the window and you use facts, bleach beats naruto every time. Usually its not even that close either.
I actually think he's highballing the Akatsuki a bit here, especially the weaker ones, by giving them continental+ damage output and making them relativistic to light. Naruto scaling is weird and any Akatsuki that didn't make it to the latter stages of Shippuden would never reach above lightning speed. Plus, most of the Akatsuki doing any continental damage are using their best techniques with drawback (ie Pain bleeding from his eyes/nose to face the incomplete version of the half-powered Ninetales or Deidara suicide bombing).
I also think he's downplaying the Espada a bit, specifically in terms of speed. Even if you don't want to give every Bleach character light speed, the fact that ceros are equated to light, balas are faster than ceros, and the Negacion is explicitly stated to be light should be enough to get you relativistic as least. Aaroniero directly dodges natural light and he's nowhere near the fastest Espada. Even if you want to say that non-Captain level Bleach characters aren't light speed, every Espada should be considered, at minimum, relativistic, much less the real high tiers like Ressurecion Starrk or Segunda Etapa Ulquirra, whom should both be mftl at peak.
The fact that we're using War scaling, or relative thereof, for some of the Akatsuki whereas were taking Arrancar arc scaling for every Espada, and still giving the Espada a pretty concise victory should be enough to let people know just how different the scaling between the two verses are.
@@lo4trbro
Itachi's water bullets which is LS was easier for Kakashi to dodge compared to hidan.
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I really like the way you scaled the Naruto characters here. It's alot more reserved and contructed and less overexaggerating the scaling of feats and statements which is a doctrine and paradigm that has been plauging and ruling the powerscaling community for a long dang time for many years now.
It reminds me alot of "Zaelleaz" who is another good powerscaler similar to Atari_hmb who goes indepth within his powerscaling of characters and makes sure to concretely test and observe the scaling in all it's factors and details.
He doesn't overscale Naruto characters and the cast to light speed reaction times and combat nor scale their durability and AP to continental and multi continental like some people do.
He's been a opponent the claims that have been ruling for a while like the whole planet busting and star level tiering for Naruto Shippuden war arc stage characters for a long time by the old guard scalers had established. And he's been very good at it.
Check Zaelleaz out if you can he's pretty good.
As for the Espada I think they definitely win overall especially when combined.
They rise from the country tiers, to large country, continental, and multi continental tiers while approaching light speed to then faster then light attacks as you get higher with the ranks and their transformations and special applications.
I think the old powerscaler Chuck did pretty good when it came to his powerscaling of the Espada and that video is years old. It's impressive how accurate that scaling video has remained standing and still somewhat consistent even by today's developing ways to powerscale more accurately and those seeking the truth and not wanting to abide by the whole exaggerations and disingenuous paradigms scalings set as doctrine which has gotten very bad these days as a fundamental foundation of sinking sand and illiteracy.
His Ulquiorra and Grimmjow powerscaling videos from those times still stand pretty decently strong somewhat.
I think Obito at his composite most powerful would be the only one to last the longest.
I wonder how Madara Uchiha would fair in this match.
Saying that Zaelleaz doesn’t overrate Naruto characters is a bit of an understatement. He only uses the lowest end possible interpretations for for their strength and how he chooses to interpret their feats.
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He does have reason for that unlike most though I would say he could a bit of a improvement like say naturally scaling Madara above Pain and the rest of Akatsuki combined by multiple times would be a sound idea and the meteors being more powerful.
I agree with him that the none of the Kage during the war have light speed attacks.
@@thorshammer7883 The only thing I really think is nonsensical is the idea that the average Bijuu is multi-Continental and that all Akatsuki are multi-Continental by default (even if they aren’t most Akatsuki don’t scale to Bijudama anyway) and that every kage is Relativistic. An example that I thought was big downplay was that he decided that the 4 tails bijuudama doesn’t vaporize the Rashomon gates just because we “didn’t see the damage” even though Kishimoto distinctly drew vapor clouds emerging from where it was destroyed as opposed to the dust of fragmentation/pulverization that happened when say Naruto turned into the 4 tails.
There’s also feats he just doesn’t think to calc for example; CM2 Sasuke’s Fire style has enough energy within them to create the Kirin thunderstorm when fired into the sky which is Town Level at the barest minimum to Large Mountain Level. I also think that trying to scale a concentrated jutsu like Rasengan/Chidori just from its DC is pretty problematic since the majority of its AP is going into whoever it’s hitting (usually another shinobi who’s amping their durability with chakra) and whatever destruction left is just residual (Rasengan) or it just doesn’t really detonate most of the time all unless it’s interrupted (chidori).
There is a case for Relativistic speed Raikage but I think it’s based on some contingencies that conflict with the higher levels of speed scaling (6 paths Madara using light fang). Oh, and Naruto characters totally have split durability, we see time and time again that characters can be cut by attacks that normally don’t even equal what they can survive with their durability…so like scaling everyone’s durability just to building level because they’re scared of Kunai is also problematic.
@@hobbyhorse5848
Claims and paradigms such as Bijuu Tailed Beast bombs being multi-Continental has been a false teaching and doctrine that powerscalers like Seththeprogrammer, King Bullet, and few of the other big popular channels have been propagating for a real long time to scale Naruto above planet busting. Over like 7 years which reaches out to a large audience who have watched these videos claiming the same scaling to them over and over again throughout the years being told the same tier level.
It's no wonder really why most people think that way to scale above planetary because they have been naturally conditioned overtime to abide by and defend that paradigm even today most people still defend that.
Onto the subject of those feats you mentioned I can't really make a analysis statement about them since I don't remember those feats and what is said about those events too well since it has been years so I will be passive about them.
There is however definitely way higher then mountain tier scaling for Madara at the war arc that's for certain.
If you want to talk to Zaelleaz about that and want to question about some of the major factors of scaling the Naruto characters in these arcs by the time power progression bar reaches higher which you know for certain he is missing then feel free to do so when you want.
@@thorshammer7883 I mean I could, but aside from some specific critiques about what is and isn’t accepted as say vaporization that’s somewhat subjective. Zaelleaz has his own logic for why he scales things and it’s internally consistent enough that he doesn’t need me to barge in and disagree with him all the time. Maybe I might comment anyway tho just depends on how I feel.
Also there are legitimate planetary feats in Naruto. Madara moving the God Tree roots had planetary KE, Kaguya’s expansive truth seeking orb is beyond planetary. It just only covers the highest of the high tiers.
I also WAAY disagree with scaling Six Path characters to planetary using chakra volume arguments; basically people say that since Kaguya made the ETSO after absorbing chakra from the alliance that makes KCM Naruto planetary just by dividing that up since his reserves powered the entire alliance. Chakra volume (aka chakra reserves) is not the same thing as chakra output, if a shinobi could output their entire volume in a single sitting then they’d run out of chakra in a single attack.
3:17 that’s a multiplier in combat ability not general stats considering Ichigo’s Bankai is considered mostly a speed boost while others improve or change specific abilities.
For Zanpakutō the multiplier is for the sword itself unless otherwise indicated(such as in Ichigo’s case). For arrancars it’s in fighting power(for their bodies and energy projection); however not all arrancars have the same multipliers in all categories.
@@aizensworld9309 They compare it to Bankai which isn’t a multiplier in all categories and based on their feats Resurrección clearly not an all category multiplier
@@onesmart229 my first reply covers this.
Quick question brooo in ur own thoughts who do u think if they had to fight the Espada who would dare challenge Barragan I feel bad for who ever fights this Espada or Starrk and I’m aware u said ur not using the Novels but can u literally imagine if any of them had to fight Cien 😂??
Cien is a menace! Szayelapporro’s hax plus power above Yammy is crazy.
@@aizensworld9309 Would love to see a video on Cien!