Doomer defends his critique of the Caitlin - Vi interrogation scene
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- Опубліковано 16 лют 2022
- Doomer Media critiques the Caitlin - Vi interrogation scene but it is poorly received by the other EFAP panel members. Doomer then defends his point of view.
I provided the original scene for the best understanding of the following discussion.
"I think it's convenient."
"Why?"
"It just is."
7 autistic men yell at each other for 40 mins because 1 is severely autistic while the rest are functioning
As an autistic person myself lmao
I feel this in a deep spiritual level. Specially with my siblings.
"I've been in prison for 30 years!"
Doomer is entertaining when he makes these arguments. It's frustrating and fun seeing someone so delusional about their own position and argument to avoid being "wrong".
I love ya added a clip as an example of the scene so we have the context as what the argument is about. I hope ya day is going well for ya, and thank you for your edits
"Why are you trying to turn this into a debate?! I've been consuming media for over 30 years."
I just find it so weird how dismissive Doomer is of their counters and his go to defense is essentially "I've been to prison, so I have the expert opinion." He did the same thing with his nuclear take on video games and saying that he has a better say cause he's played games for 30 years.
Which one is that I’m looking for that clip
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This chad clipped it, it is pure tism.
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Man, the the whole thing could've been avoided if Doomer weren't so attached to his position. Like he received SEVERAL decent answers to his question. But as soon as he said "...I actually know what it's like to be in a prison", his goose was cooked.
1) He was basically admitting in that moment that he didn't have an argument. He was just pulling from personal experience.
2) He also comes off as condescending, which doesn't exactly enamor the others with the tone of the discussion, especially when Doomer's so clearly WRONG to every single one of them.
3) He also signals that he's insecure about his position, because he actually escalates the tone of the discussion here from "normal discussion" to "Doomer's clearly nervous about this"
Then Doomer just doubles and triples down. It's just painful man. Honestly, he might've still recovered, but then he lost his shit and took a distorted view of events to suit his narrative. Naturally, this is what really turned the keys on the guys' patience.
Conversely, a part of me almost wishes Doomer would've kept bringing up his criticisms (the ones he basically bragged about in the beginning of Part 1). Seriously, as annoying as this was, the positive side of it is watching the mechanics of good arguments and bad, and how personal biases and hangups can seriously confuse even an open-shut case.
It also has the side effect of showing just how good Arcane is. It's not a 10/10 (if anything is), but another way to look at this argument is "EFAP gets under the hood of a very basic scene and shows you just how well the thing runs". Its a strange form of art appreciation and analysis. I would show this shit in a classroom if I was talking about interpersonal arguments or writing a scene. After watching this, I feel like I know the Vi+Caitlyn scene like the back of my fucking hand. haha
The error that both sides make is that Doomer's criticism is addressed in the scene (or at least part of it). Doomer thinks that Caitlin should have done other investigation before leaving with Vi but its shown that she did, just not how much. Caitlin didn't know about the incident before she arrived and obviously didn't know about Vi. However, when Caitlin is interrogating Vi, Caitlin says she's read Vi's file, proving that Caitlin did other investigation before interrogating Vi.
If anyone in this discussion realized this, the whole mess could have been avoided.
@@alclark01 I'm not so sure. Doomer's point was that it felt convenient. That's fine for him to feel, but when asked if it was based on anything, he couldn't give any answers. Instead of just taking the very minor L, or just saying "I dunno, it just felt that way to me. But you guys bring up some interesting points" - instead he just flipped out.
So I really don't think there's anything they could've said that would've defused the situation. Doomer's just a timebomb, full-stop. The fact that it keeps happening means it's either EFAP's fault, Doomer's fault, or both.
And given that the EFAP boys explained it multiple ways and gave Doomer multiple attempts to explain himself, he still acted a fool. So I gotta blame Doomer here.
@@wilder11 you make a good point.
@@alclark01 Thank you Andrew.
YOUR INTENSITY IS FOR SHIT! WIN! WIN! WIN!
...couldn't resist, m8. :P
You don't understand, dude. He's been playing videogames for *30 years*
I remember this stream. I had to unfollow Doomer soon after when he made the Dave Chapelle video. Looked up his channel today and he’s scrubbed all his videos. The internet put a mirror up in front of him and he was terrible at confronting the facts
I actually just looked him up and can't find his channel anymore.
What happened in the Dave video
On the same stream later on, he got into a argument with the crew about whether or not Jinx and Silko kissed on the lips (they did not, btw)
@@marcthomas5949 Doomer took Dave out on context to complain about “transphobia.”
And then got extremely butt hurt in the comment section when people started calling him out for taking Dave out of context, the flaws in his logic, and also pointing out he was being a salty dismissive prick about the criticism he was getting.
@@BigBroTejano oof
Does doomer know there’s a difference between prison and jail? He probably went to jail, not prison. Also, both Caitlyn and Vi have something to gain from working with each other. It has nothing to do with trust, just a mutual understanding of that they both gain something. I wish he came back though, his takes were gold. He has played games for 30 years.
I think even in maulers “dead end” possibility where the goon got beat up because of a gambling debt it would still be such a lead. Oh shoot he gambles!!! Where? Do more of Silcos goons gamble there? Even if it’s a shot in the dark it would be more then Caitlyn had before going in to the prison now when she goes to the under-city she has a place she can at least start at, heck even a genre of place to look for.
It always amuses me that Doomer wants to make a media channel and its clear he just doesn't understand media.
Well he's held back by his own desperate opinion of himself. He THINKS he has some unique insight to media, when he actually has a very limited viewpoint. He's not useless, but he holds himself back from expanding his expertise because he acts like he does in this video. He can't stand being challenged on something he feels strongly.
He reminds me of ME in my worst moments. I'm very picky and emotional, and in my younger years I thought I had a monopoly on good taste, when really I just got my taste from others and my takes weren't always well thought out. Just like Doomer. It's clear he just reached this conclusion and didn't really think it over, he just assumed he found some secret hole in the show that nobody else was seeing.
But I believe in Doomer. The same way Frodo believes in Smeagol. LMAO
Doomer would hate the legit conveniences in glass onion.
He loves that movie!
@@luciferthedoberman8991 what, no way, that guys confusing me lol
@@versevica Doomer inconsistence I guess
Doomer is a guy during these arguments who is as entertaining as he is frustrating.
It must be absolute hell inside that guy’s head.
What no one mentioned is that, if we go by the images shown on screen, what the guard described to Caitlyn wasn’t a CIRCUMSTANTIAL beating Ie: Silco’s henchman cutting in the lunch line and Vi beating him.
What we see is Vi approaching the henchman while lunching and caving his face in, this can be an indication of one of two options: Vi is a psycho that randomly beats people, OR Vi knows that guy and has a personal reason to assault him. It may be a thin lead, but it’s reasonable enough for Caitlyn going to speak with Vi.
But on the other hand… *Otter Tisms intensifies*
I feel like doomer doesn't listen to arguments and only thinks about his next response
Was going nuts that no one brought this up:
This guy was shot by his own, and went to jail, then was attacked. Maybe find out if the one who attacked him did it to cut a loose end, maybe they'd be connected.
That would be my first assumption that someone was trying to shut him up not that whoever beat him up might know more. VI just happens to be a wealth of info on the Silco conspiracy which kind of helps the "Convenience" argument doomer had, but he never brought this up.
Remember, everyone. If you say something that is demonstrably wrong enough times, it'll become right.
I feel like there's a good reason why doomer hasn't been on the podcast for a while now.
Doomer and Synthetic Man would get along SO damn well XD
Nah, don't put them in the same camp. Doomer's just a confused nerd who gets angry when he's proven wrong.
Synthetic Man is one step away from being on several government watchlists.
It feels like ge didnt even watch the scene.
Doomer brought up Silence Of The Lambs, which doesn’t help his position. Just to disprove his point even further, here’s a better example: Red Dragon. Both in the novel and in both adaptations, Will Graham goes to visit Hannibal Lecter in tracking down The Tooth Fairy before he goes after his next victim during the next full moon. He was antagonistic towards Hannibal since he doesn’t trust him due to A) almost being killed by him during his capture and B) since he tried to think the way he did he spent months in therapy just to get his mind back on track. He damaged him both physically and mentally, and Hannibal is known for being a master manipulator.
However, he still visited him in order to gain information and Hannibal cooperated. He still attempted to sway Francis Dollarhyde to go after Will and his family but even then Will still visited him because he had vital information that eventually lead to Will tracking him down. Even if someone is dangerous, they still have information that’s worth checking out.
This would have to be the worst take i have ever heard in my life.
Idk this video seems a little convinent.
I'm VERY upset all these film buffs and not 1 of them shut Doomer up by simply bringing up the movie 48hrs with Nick Nolte and Eddie Murphy. That this exact scene is reminiscent of. But then again, Doomed probably thinks that movie is shit too. 🤦♂️
I like doomer…… but…. He’s really frustrating sometimes. He can’t handle a disagreement and sometimes ( like the Barbie debate) he just gets these weird things going where he just declares that he’s the smartest person alive so he must be right as if that will convince anyone.
I'm unaware of the Barbie debate. Where can I find that?
@@tevenpowell8023 look up sitch and Adam show. They have a Barbie debate on their channel with doomer
@@bullmoose5502 thanks 👍
Yeah I don't know why anyone enjoyed Doomer or his content. From the get go he struck me as a try-hard, even before these big blow ups. Something was always fake about him to me. He did not wear his mask comfortably. haha
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