Jaime understands what she cannot, i.e., being a person with flaws. He doesn't pretend to be anything but what he is. She gets angry when he points out her callous actions when she believes herself to be honourable. He can accept who he is but she loses it when he shatters the image she holds of herself.
Jamie would of killed her easily in his prime. The time they did face off he was half starved and had been sitting in chains for a year and yet she had to watch him. Disregard the show it’s crap read the books.
"you are no knight..." *Jaime makes good point* "Kingslayer...." *Jaime explains himself* "You are a man without honor..." *Jaime with the comeback* Arguing with a Stark is like arguing with someone through UA-cam comments. you're just not gonna get anywhere
You have the gift of hindsight and an observer's view of things. Jaime is incredibly cocky and that is why the monicker of Kingslayer is easy to believe. To say that anything Jaime says here is anything close to an explanation is... well frankly stupid. Ask yourself whether you even knew the truth then, and then would you regard Jaime any differently from Catelyn here?
+Alex Sommer Not really. While he's hinting as to what drove him toward much of his actions, he's not actually saying it and no one here yet knows. And so instead of his points coming across as logical counters, they just come off as half-ass excuses or flat-out mockery, just like his mocking of everything about Catelyn's family. It doesn't seem he's making arguments in good faith but using small hypocrisies as a way to justify the seemingly heinous things he's done, though his tone doesn't betray any true shame. Had he brouched this topic more humbly as he later does with Brienne, Catelyn may have listened. I doubt she would have forgiven him, not yet, but she would have been given reason to pause. Instead, he just seems insincere. It's like a seeming serial killer trying to use the fact people kill each other all the time to justify what he's done, and saying it in a snide tone to come across like he's just regarding the debate like some kind of game. Of course, Jaime's really not trying to convince Catelyn. He falls back on scorn, arrogance, and humor as a way to deflect from the fact that he's ashamed of himself. He doesn't want to be seen as a victim, so he embraces the facade of being a villain and owns it so people can't hurt him with it. And this is all just a part of that act. It's not until he and Brienne get close that we see the truly miserable human being underneath with very real justification for the things he did.
Ray14508 to hide his incest because he knows if the King finds out, he'll kill Jaime's sister & children. He did it to protect his family, as any father in the Seven Kingdoms would. The cousin killing I have no argument for it though.
"What was the name of that bastard he fathered?" "Brienne-" "No, that wasn't it..." Probably, the one thing Tyrion and Jaime are equals in is sense of humor.
Jaime is literally way more funny and savage than Tyrion in the books. He's also the smartest Lannister. But hey, douche & dipshit had to fuck it up, like everything else. Almost everyone he ever talked to got burned so hard, he was so good in barbequeing them. Trollknight The Savage.
@@95MidnightStar What ? Jaime has never been the smartest Lannister, even in the books he's called the stupidest Lannister for following his father's orders and killing Tysha, and telling Tyrion the truth just before he escaped which led to his father's murder, Jaime is my fav Lannister, but your words just prove thay you've never read the books.
@@boodyjacob9322 Funny you accuse me of not reading the books and then you say Jaime killed Tysha. Where the fuck did you get that from and what books did you read? And, just because he followed his father's orders doesn't make him stupid, especially when that father is someone like Tywin.
@@Yue_Jin It was, but D&D were given a rough outline of the most important aspects by GRRM. A few years back GRRM stated that Brienne was a descendant of Ser Duncan the Tall, and she has the same qualities of honour and justice he had, so she will most likely get it
In this scene Jamie is really showing that he inherited his father's intellect, and is a smart person. Unlike in season 8 where he literally forgets to take off a golden hand while trying to be unrecognized
I really think that when he brought up the fact that ned stark had a another kid by some other woman that was his best argument he insulted the man she loved. But what I think made it worse was the fact that it was true it had to be because she thinking about killing him.
What’s so sad is that Catelyn never learned the truth about Jon Snow. Ned was so honorable he was willing to tarnish his reputation to protect Jon. Truly a great sacrifice.
Yep. Unfortunately as Jamie says in this scene,catelyn is way too honest with her feelings. Even if Ned told her the truth she would have eventually revealed his secret, probably in a moment of anger and Robert would have killed Jon.
Catelyn was my least favorite character even more so than Joffrey or Ramsay honestly, Catelyn did so much to doom house stark... Taking Tyrion prisoner...setting Jaime free..letting Robb marry Talisa, and she's so naive in the grand scheme of things, she carries herself as if she's the honorable one and has the moral high ground when Jaime is more honorable than Catelyn can ever know and be , I just think it's a shame Catelyn never got to be enlightened the way Brienne did
@@olofacosta3192 honestly I don’t think she would do that, knowing the truth would allow her to lose some of the resentment, and I could see her fully adopting Jon
@@Ben-vg6ox Jaime being more honorable than Catelyn? Y'all forgot that the "honorable" Jaime pushed an innocent kid down a tower to avoid his incest being discovered. And that's just one of "things he do for love" that we got to see. Yes, he betrayed his vows and killed the mad king. But when his own son became the Mad King, he didn't intervene. Not even once. Is he Loyal ? He sure is, have morals ? Seems like he do. Honorable? Absolutely not. Brienne understood this : Jaime was not the dishonorable piece of sh*t that people believed him to be. He was only a dishonorable man that throwed his reputation away for the sake of morals once.
@@kayd6572In fairness to the bit about Joffrey, a good chunk of the crazy shit he did was when Jaime was outside of King’s Landing. In this cell, or otherwise occupied. Unless I’m misremembering be only returned after Margaery arrived who at that point was doing a fairly reasonable job at manipulating (reigning in, whatever you want to call it) him.
Jamie never showed fear. He was a courageous honourable man until he had to protect Cersei. In that he lost his honour and his life. Sadly for Brienne.
This is arguably one of the best scenes in GoT. I cannot get the line "Here's to Aerys Targaryen, second of his name, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, Protector of the Realm.. and to the sword I shoved in his back." It's just.. it's delivered PHENOMENALLY and blows my mind every single time!
When they stopped using GRRM's plots, cut characters who were important later and started doing their own crappy fan fiction(I don't think Cleganebowl would ever happen in ASOIAF), the show went downhill.
Jaime had it in perspective better than everyone. No one is completely innocent in this, but I find his and Tyrion's logic to be a lot better than most people's. His understanding of all the vows and oaths is pretty dead on. One way or another you're betraying one of them. People hate him for breaking his oath to protect the King. But if he did as the king wanted then the entire kingdom would have been burned alive. To take a line from Odin, "if not for him they wouldn't be standing there to hate him now."
God-Emperor of Mankind Brandon Stark was strangled, it was Rickard of whom was burned alive by Aerys' "champion". But keep in mind Jaime was only sixteen at the time, still a child by all rights. Don't blame him for not acting earlier : no one else acted, not Arthur Dayne, nor Barristan Selmy or Gerold Hightower- grown men, of whom witnessed Aerys' atrocities far longer than Jaime Lannister. It says a lot, when a boy has to do what grown men could not, rather, would not. That he was the only one who took action : Rhaegar would have, as he told Jaime before he'd left for the Trident - but we know how that story ends : he simply never made it back. And let's not forget, he wanted to help Rhaella. “You’re hurting me,” they had heard Rhaella cry through the oaken door. “You’re hurting me.” In some queer way, that had been worse than Lord Chelsted’s screaming. “We are sworn to protect her as well,” Jaime had finally been driven to say. “We are,” Darry allowed, “but not from him.” - A Feast for Crows. We're all entitled to our opinions, and rights to like or dislike characters (I personally, am not a fan of House Stark), but that doesn't mean we have to discredit all that a character has done. Jaime did save lives, even if he couldn't save the lives of Brandon and Rickard. There's still yet caches of wildfire around King's Landing, that risk still ever present - but if it hadn't been for Jaime's actions during the Sack of King's Landing, there would be nothing left of the city and it's inhabitants.
God-Emperor of Mankind Regardless, in the end Brandon brought his death on himself. Going to King's Landing and calling out for Rhaegar to come out and die was hardly a wise choice. He knew what Aerys was like.
He's right about everything in this conversation... except for Ned cheating on his wife (but it's not like he was the only one in the unknown, is it ?)
Ne he isn't. That just show you who Jaime was. He had several oath. Protect his familly, protect his king, protect his kings subject. The latter two were the Oath he took when he became a knight of the kings guard, the first one is his familly oath. In the end, he chose the first one. Only killing the mad king when he asked to bring him his father's head. So there goes the "Jaime wanted to protect everyone
@@marty2090 Incredible, Ad hominem so quickly. Must've touched a personal hero of yours. Don't delude yourself. It's not wildfire in itself that frightened the young Jaime since it was well known the mad king had some. Nor was it the killing of innocent people since he was already participating even tho begrudgingly, in some of the massacre his king perpetrated. It was the idea that in his defeat, the mad king wanted everyone to die in wildfire including Jaime's father and familly. Now let me ask you a question. Take out the wildfire and the death of the mad king. Once Tywin reached the Throne and Jaime would've had to face-off his own father in order to defend the King. Do you think he would've killed Tywin ? Do you believe that Jaime Lannister would've slayed with his bare hand his own father to keep his oath ?
Jaime: What was the name of that bastard he fathered? Catelyn: Brienne! Jaime: No, that wasn't it. ahh Jaime kills me you just can't help but like him.
@@Supernatural3878 Hey that's what Dumb and Dumber showed, It's not proven in the books whether Jon is actually Targaryen or not! He might very well be Ned's bastard!
@Niranjan Rajesh G R R Martin was not involved with GOT after season 4, and everyone in the fandom knows that D & D never got a clear answer from Martin, all he said was it could be an option that Jon's true parents COULD be Rhaegar and Lyanna! He didn't give a 100% explicit answer! Let's just wait for the books if he ever plans to finish them!😂😂 GOT was shit after Tywin's death! The writing quality went down the gutter and no one cared for the plot!💯💯
@Niranjan Rajesh Bro you really believe what Dumb and Dumber say? We have never heard from Martin's own mouth, it was always the 2 that said anything about plot! For all I know they could be lying! After season 7 and 8 I don't believe them one bit!
I think this is interesting though, because in the books you can tell that Ned's dislike of Jaime really rattles him - he has to tell himself that Ned's a dishonourable hypocrite, because he fathered a bastard. However, Ned keeping Jon actually makes him more honourable than ever, and it means that he succeeded in doing what Jaime didn't (his one regret): saving and protecting a Targaryen child.
@@loriannwhite8384 he didn't father a bastard in the time of his marriage (that we know of), but Ned was very likely romantically connected to Ashara Dayne. And we know that Lady Dayne had a stillborn daughter and "Looked to Stark" instead of her besotted friend, Ser Barristan.
Gotta love the deconstruction of Knights in this series. People Shit on Jaime for killing a psychopath, yet laud Knights like Barristan for quietly following orders. Hilarious.
NC Clearly you do not understand that following a mad king's order to butcher innocents, and following the word of God, were not mutually exclusive to the knight of the time. Just read about the crusades.
Season 2 was honestly so great for getting to see that Tyrion wasn't the only verbally clever one in the family. Jaime gets written off as the golden boy with a sword, but he's wicked smart just like his siblings.
At God Emperor: Attempted murderer?!? Pretty sure Jaime has killed well over a hundred men in his life..he is a practiced murderer lol As far as Neds brother and father...Jaime was a teenage kings guard at the time...the hell was he supposed to do? He killed the mad king because Tywin was sacking the city and Kings landing was lit with wildfire and aerys had his hand(pyromancer) about to burn it. Nobody around to stop Aerys but him...there wasn't 500 ment watching like when Rickard and Brandon died....Jaime couldn't do f**k all there. Let's get real
+TheFirstHunter he did kill the pyromancer but i still side eye the whole thing like im sure he felt pressured and everything but he was a kings guard and an excellent fighter which means he can think quickly why didnt he stop aerys in other ways? putting a sword through him was hardly the only way to stop a fragile old king from ordering someone to burn kings landing down
Kingslayer64 The point is that he should never have been in that position. He should have either stood up for the realm well before the sack of king's landing. He sat by and watched all the mad king's shit happen and only when he was alone in a room, he the only kingsguard (in fact, the only armed man) present, with only the pyromancer and the king did he decide to do something. Ned agrees when he says "You served him well, when serving was safe" and Jaime is visibly shaken by it - that's because Jaime knows it to be true just as well as Ned and the rest of the realm.
"Where did you find that beast?" I don't remember this being in the books but I sense GRRM's hand in it. Jamie is the beauty and Brienne is the beast in a wonderful twist of the original story and mister Martin absolutely loves that story.
GRRM doesn't get to have all the credit. D&D wrote some amazing scenes. The ladder dialog. Alot of scenes with Arya and the Hound. They aren't idiots. Just assholes for rushing and basically quitting.
@@el34glo59 they're good when they have a foundation,but when they try to add too much of their own ideas,shit goes down the toilet. Just look at the creative decisions in X-Men origins Wolverine lol
I love how Jaime responds to Catelyn spitting Kingslayer at him. He's heard it for seventeen years over and over and I can imagine how sick of it he is. They say it like the king he killed was some kind of saint when in reality Jaime was doing the world and more immediately the people of Kings Landing a favor by stabbing Aerys in the back
1:50 "What if the king massacres the innocent?" So much backstory behind that 1 line, just like in season 1 when he tells Robert that the king had been saying the same thing for hours: "Burn them all".
Jaime is an evil piece of shit but he's also right about basically everything he says here. In three minutes he completely deconstructs how absurd, hypocritical, unjust, illogical, and contradictory the entire feudal society of Westeros is. And despite all of the terrible deeds Jaime's done in his life, the one thing everyone hates him for (slaying the king) was ironically his noblest act and probably saved the Seven Kingdoms from complete annihilation. He became a pariah for being the only person willing to murder a tyrant that most of the country wanted dead anyway.
Jaime was morally grey not evil. The worst thing he did was attempt to kill Bran but if he hasn’t his entire family including his own kids would have been executed. Most people would probably choose a stranger child of a family that dislikes you to die over your own kids
Lord Rickard Stark (Ned's father) was the one that was burned alive by the mad king. While Brandon Stark strangled himself trying to rescue his father.
***** Oh Yes. The great Lyanna & Rhaegar myth of being Jon Snows true parents that is yet to be confirmed by Mr. George Martin. Either way Jaime stung Cat good and proper with that one.
Senate300 the fuck? Have you watched the show? Jon is aegon the son of lyanna not elia lol. In the books aegon might be Elias son but Jon is the son of rhaegar and lyanna.
Arry Yep. Every episode in fact. Elias and Rhaegars. Until GRRM releases Winds of Winter(probably in the next century) I'll be taking the shows fan fiction with a pinch of salt. I don't think for one moment its that simple with George Martin. It never is. Still, I'll never understand why Ned couldn't trust Cat with the truth.
Lucas Rodrigues We'll just have to wait and see won't we. If D&D guessed right or went with the theory that was most popular. After all, I wouldn't put it past GRRM to spit in our faces with something different. Like the Ashara Dayne theory. Which would make no sense as he killed her brother, Arthur at the tower of joy.
***** Jaime had a keen sense of the past and how the present might affect the future (after his experience with the mad king, and how it forced him to realize that the 'absolute' fulfillment of oaths could prove impossible...that fulfilling one aspect of an oath - e.g., protecting the innocent - could destroy any chance of fulfilling another - e.g., protecting your king). The Starks were all just preoccupied with the present...and were rather narrow-minded in their view of honor (considering it strictly black and white, while Jaime's experiences had forced him to recognize a vast grey area).
I think Catelyn was a very flawed character. Her darker side evident in her hatred of Jon Snow. Jon never hurt her family, only her pride. In the end, it is Catelyns idea of family that is her downfall. She trusts Littlefinger and sees him as a brother; big mistake.
I think Catelyn was a very flawed character. Her darker side evident in her hatred of Jon Snow. Jon never hurt her family, only her pride. In the end, it is Catelyns idea of family that is her downfall. She trusts Littlefinger and sees him as a brother; big mistake.
It makes her human. We are all flawed, we make wrong choices, we say wrong things, we hate and love wrong people. Which is why she is such an engaging character.
in novels I hated her more, mostly because she treated Tyrion like an animal. She hated him simply because he was ugly and because he was Lannister that was enough reason to believe he was to blame for Bran accident. In novel we could see what disgust she felt toward him, even though she barely known him.
Ironically, I couldn't have hated him more back then. I thought it was so weird how popular he was with audiences. I didn't start liking him until around when he and Brienne began working together, and now he's one of my favorites. He's gorgeous but I wouldn't say I'm in love tho 😂
It's so fun to come back to this scene, because you see that the person Jaime thought the least of ended up meaning the most to him... All this disdain and rudeness towards Brienne, and yet he ended up respecting and caring for her more than pretty much everyone in his life. He trusts her word more than anyone's, and she's one of the few people that truly trusts his. You'd never have though he'd risk his life to defend her, or look utterly heartbroken every time they had to part ways (if you hadn't read the books).
@@a.sheremet4522People can love more than one person. He loved Brienne, just as he loved Cersei (and Tyrion, romantic love is not the only meaningful love). But Brienne was assuredly safe and in good company while Cersei was alone and facing eminent death -- so he made a call. He broke Brienne's heart to do so, but sometimes that's just the way the cookie crumbles. He had no doubt she would recover and thrive, and that's exactly what she did -- that's the faith and respect he has in her, exactly as I talked about in my OP.
@@sonozaki0000 Oh come ON! He left her just because he chose Cersei, that's all. You try to make it more complex than it was. Yes, he loved her in a way but not more than everyone (As you claimed in your OP), he didn't think about her at all when he left her because THAT'S how the cookie crumbles. If he ''respected'' her, he wouldn't bang her just to leave her. Good for you for romanticizing selfish acts but come on. He slept with her, realized he still has hots for Cersei and leaves Brienne behind - THAT'S HOW THE COOKIE CRUMBLES. Also, you made it sound that he absolutely ''had'' to break her heart, that's toxic and twisted, he didn't have to, he CHOSE to. How nice it must be living in a fairy tale
Jamie's troll game is superb here, especially since everything he says in this scene is true. Well, except for the part about Ned fathering a bastard, but everyone mistakenly believed that, so we'll let it slide.
i know he is gonna feel pretty stupid if jon snow does turn out to be rhaegar son that would mean that not only did ned not cheat on catelyn but also ned would have technically been doing jaime job all this time while jaime just been banging his sister
heyheyheyheyheyhey76 why does everyone hate cat so much for how she treated jon compared to what tywin did to tyrion and what cercei did to roberts bastards and what stannis did to his daughter cat is a freaking saint
Catelyn: "You've forsaken every vow you ever swore" ... "You're a man without honor." *Seasons Later* Jaime: *goes to the Wall to protect against the Night King with the Starks against the wishes of Cersei because he PROMISED*
Jaime's conclusion was always honor to the innocent and the weak, he didn't kill the mad king until after it became 1000% clear he was going to burn kings landing down to the ground along with everyone in it, he jumped into the bear pit because Brienne had a wooden sword, he went all the way up to winterfell and defied cersei because he wanted to defend the world from the whites, in the end it was always "honor to the innocent" first and "doing cersei" second
how is being randonly insulting and rude "badass"?? it was hardly even clever. he's done plenty of badass things in his life, but his shitty attitude & lack of respect weren't any of them
They actually split their conversation in the book to two parts, excluded Jaime's inquiries about what's going on in the realm and all, and dumbed a bit down. I remember that dialogue of them. I mean, it was considerably longer than what they had adapted to the show. Even the lines they put here are simplified . ''I told you, there are no men like me. Answer me this, Lady Stark: Did your Ned ever tell you the manner of his father's death? Or his brother's?'' ''They strangled Brandon while his father watched, and then killed Lord Rickard as well'' An ugly tale and sixteen years old. Why was he asking about it now? ''Killed, yes, but how?'' ''The cord or the axe, I suppose.'' Jaime took a swallow, wiped his mouth. ''No doubt Ned wished to spare you. His sweet young bride, if not quite a maiden. Well, you wanted the truth. ask me. We made a bargain, I can deny you nothing. Ask.'' ''Dead is dead'' I do not want to know this. ''Brandon was different from his brother, wasn't he? He had blood in his veins instead of cold water. More like me.'' 'Brandon was nothing like you.'' ''If you say so. You and he were to wed.'' ''He was on his way to Riverrun when he heard about Lyanna, and went to King's landing instead. It was a rash thing to do.'' She remembered how her own father had raged when the news had been brought to Riverrun The gallant fool, was what he called Brandon. Jaime poured the last cup of the wine. ''He rode into the Red Keep with a few companions, shouting for Prince Rhaegar to come out and die. But Rhaegar wasn't there. Aerys sent his guards to arrest them all for plotting his son's murder. The others were lords' sons too, it seems to me.'' ''Aerys accused them of treason and summoned their fathers to court to answer the charge, with the sons as hostages. When they came, he had them murdered without trial. Fathers and sons both.'' ''There were trials. Of a sort. Lord Rickard demanded trial by combat, and the King granted the request. Stark armored himself as for battle, thinking to duel one of the Kingsguard. Me, perhaps. Instead, they took him to the throne room and suspended him from the rafters while two of Aerys' pyromancers kindled a blaze beneath him. The king told him that fire was the champion of House Targaryen. So all Lord Rickard needed to do to prove himself innocent of treason was... well, not burn. When the fire was blazing, Brandon was brought in. His hands were chained behind his back, and around his neck was a wet leathern cord attached to a device the king had brought from Tyrosh. His legs were left free, though, and his longsword was set down just beyond his reach. The pyromancers roasted Lord Rickard slowly, banking and fanning that fire carefully to get a nice even heat. His cloak caught first, and then his surcoat, and soon he wore nothing but metal and ashes. Next he would start to cook, Aerys promised... unless his son could free him. Brandon tried, but the more he struggled, the tighter the cord constricted around his throat. In the end, he strangled himself. As for Lord Rickard, the steel of his breastplate turned cherry-red before the end, and his gold melted off his spurs and dripped down into the fire. I stood at the foot of the Iron Throne in my white armor and white cloak, filling my head with thoughts of Cersei. After, Gerold Hightower himself took me aside and said to me, _You swore a vow to guard the king, not to judge him_ That was the White Bull, loyal to the end and a better man than me, all agree.'' ''Aerys was mad, the whole realm knew it, but if you would have me believe you slew him to avenge Brandon Stark..'' ''I made no such claim. The Starks were nothing to me. I will say, I think it passing of that I am loved by one for a kindness I never did, and reviled by so many for my finest act. At Robert's coronation, I was made to kneel at the royal feet beside Grand Maester Pycelle and Varys the eunuch, so that he might _forgive_ us our crimes before he took us into his service. As for your Ned, he should have kissed the hand that slew Aerys, but he preferred to scorn the arse he found sitting on Robert's throne. I think Ned Stark loved Robert better than he ever loved his brother or his father... or even you,, my lady. He was never unfaithful to Robert, was he?''
@@PedroLucas-mg5je They usually discluded pretty much anything. They completely ignored most of magical things. They never explained anything. What this show was focused was the Red Wedding and its aftermath. I'm sure D&D were just amazed by how books built up to that point and how dazzling a story it is But after that, they were just clueless. They did not establish anything that can match the expansion of the world in book 5 and they basically skipped %80 of Dance of Dragons
"Who wants to die defending a Lannister?" Oh, Brienne, that statement didn't age well at all. Also, who would've thought such an incredible love story begins with "Is that a woman?"
Fun facts: Jaime kills karstarks, karstarks want him dead end up betraying their lord and align with the Lannisters Dorne, mountain kills martell, sand snakes want revenge end up killing all the Martells Baratheons hate lanisters but stannis kills renly Every mayor household in Got has ended up weakening its self by inner conflict
+BOSIE321 His daughter plotted something crazy with a kings guard she was sleeping with and her plan failed. because in the books Doran is smart and a chivase master. he is good at strategy.
The greatness of Catelyn Stark: even though Jaime humiliated her in the worst way, she releases him in the desperate attempt to save her daughters. According to many, there was a mistake, but it is clear that kingslayer was about to die, the only valuable hostage, the last possibility to bring her daughters back. I believe no mother would do otherwise, and I do not blame Cat for that.
She should've convinced Robb to do a better job of protecting Jaime. It's not like this was the first time in history that a hated prisoner needed to be kept alive.
You gotta love how hypocritical Ned and Catelyn were about Jaime: they had their father, brother and betrothed killed in a horrible way by The Mad King yet they look down and hate as much (or even more) the guy who killed him.
@@janellejulianajoy Definitely hypocritical. See Catelyn's story about Jon getting the pox. This is putting aside all the judgemental thoughts Catelyn has in her POV chapters. Is it human? Yes, but it's an issue when you put on a pretence of inherent higher standards.
@@josesesade5732 If you put it this way, to save Sansa, Ned chose to declare to a square full of people that Joffrey was the one true king. Had he sticked to his guns and "been honourable to the end", he shouldn't have done that. Sometimes circumstances suggest that honour should be put aside for practical reasons. Ned had his, and so did Jaime.
this is still one of my favourite scenes in the show! it has truth, humor very well played out great acting! the way jaimie changes his tone for every word if need be and makes a point
Ripleyw Snipley Please keep watching the show, as Brienne's circumstances change, a lot. While I am an idiot, I'm not so horrible to spoil this for you. Enjoy
+Patrick Perlas Wow you are truly a saint.. I would have told his dumb ass everything AND cussed him out... He had no reason to call you an idiot rofl...
It's amazing to go back and watch all the scenes about Ned cheating on catelyn . It shows that Ned loved his sister and her son enough to not care if everyone believed he cheated on his wife. He was willing to carry that hatred from other people in order to protect his sister's baby. I wish there were more scenes in the show that emphasize just how loving of a brother Ned was to his sister
Jaime didn't actually trigger Catelyn here. She came here with an objective and she left with that objective fulfilled. She had already made up her mind before Jaime even tried to instigate her in any way. Jaime thinks that he's goading her into killing him or whatever, but actually his honesty just strengthened Catelyn's belief that her decision to release him would save her daughters as Jaime had "some sort" of honour (in Catelyn's mind) even though he is the Kingslayer.
and this is the part when I started to love Jaime. the questions he asks ... just brilliant! and yes, he has honor in his own way. in the book he doesn;t kill cleo lannister and at harrenhal, after loosing his hand, he receives a whore and he refuses her thinking at cersei.
It's so interesting re-watching these scenes now after you know so much more about the characters, talk about having a completely different perspective. This and Tyrian's trial.
This and obviously him and briene in the baths are some of my favorite jamie moments in the books and show. This scene is missing my favorite line from him though because the show didn't want to focus on the jamie/tyrion/tysha dilemma for some reason. But my favorite line by jame is "i find it passing odd that I'm reviled by all for my finest act, and loved by one for a kindness i never showed" that along with the spot on condemnation of bullshit oaths just won me over the first time i read it. I didn't fully know the tysha part on the first go around, but boy howdy does it HIT on rereads.
when was that? sure she came close to death defending the entirety of the living but thats it. she came the closest to dying against the bear, against the Hound trying to defend a Stark, and against the armies of the dead defending everybody
Who knew? People may change over the course of several years. Star Wars fans apparently weren't aware of that when they cried and moaned that oh surprise, why isn't Luke Skywalker the exact same dude he was 30 years earlier, just with greyer hair?
Jaime went from this to the man who Knights Brienne. That’s character development. *Edit* Well all that character development was thrown into the trash lmao
It wasn't. He was still the man who knighted Brienne when he left her. He just couldn't bear the thought of his sister dying alone, no matter how much he had come to disdain her. That's why he makes all those self-loathing comments to Brienne when he leaves.
see i don’t think jamie is serious in this situation. i see him being an asshole and terrible person as a defence mechanism. like becoming the monster they already think he is
I really like how Cat hates him and when he starts to make sense she has to say things like kingslayer and man without honor to convince herself he is as bad as she thinks he is and when he sees that she gets it but chooses to ignore it he attacks her on a personal level with the Ned thing to show that honour is bs and even the most honourable has in some way forsaken his honour
Jaime sought of took those words to heart I believe. 1 reason of 5 he turned his leaf around from being an asshole. 1. Caitlyn spoke the truth when he said he was a "Man Without Honour" 2. The fact that Cat still let him go after what he said. 3. His lose of his hand and time to think about what he'll be without it. 4. Having to face his foes with wit instead of brawn 5. Keeping an Oath to a Woman and Man he secretly truly respects.
LOVED Jamie back in season 1 and 2; he was so witty and chirpy, much like Tyrion- always having the last word. Yet now he seems to have gotten a bit more 'boring'. I want a script for season 6 that brings back his awesome witty personalty.
photogonboard You're right, I believe him and Jon Snow are the most developed characters of this series (specially Jon if you compare his behaviour from season to season).
Carlos Fermín The actor Kit Harrington couldn't carry Nikolaj's piss bucket with the shit level of acting no emoting fat placid faced dullard portrayal he gives for Jon Snow. It makes me SICK because they only hired him because they couldn't get their hands on Aidan Turner from BBC3 Being Human who got quickly scooped by Jackson for The Hobbit. The 'IT' hot male actors from Britain of this era are young dark curly haired complectioned guys and scraping the barrel for one to hold a spot worked fine for D&D since 90% of the rest of their cast are stellar to make crap actors like Emily Clarke and Harrington seem capable. They scooped up Adams for Star Wars for the dark curly hot guy looks.
Jaime may be the most dynamic character in GoT. His arc (season 8 notwithstanding) is incredible and his backstory's reputation really shines a light on the lazy judgmental hypocrisy of people.
Of course. A large chapter and one of the most important in the whole story and they cut many interesting pieces. David and Dan wasn't good writers at all. Not just in S7 and S8 but from the start.
I forgot how good the early seasons were. The balls of Jamie. Poor old dead ned who else literally went when he said that ooooo fuck me he went there 😅
![Brienne Pledges To Catelyn [HD]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/El4WE5PAFGs/mqdefault.jpg)
"What's the name of that bastard he fathered?"
"Brienne"
"No that wasn't it"
😂😂😂
Anvil00Horror __ that line was straight from the book. A good line that George wrote.
😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😭
ABSOLUTE LOL!
“You hated that boy didn’t you” damn he tapped her soul
He's not wrong.
@@HookedOnSonics518 that's the point. She talks about honor, and yet hates an innocent boy who had nothing to do with his father choices.
Jaime understands what she cannot, i.e., being a person with flaws. He doesn't pretend to be anything but what he is. She gets angry when he points out her callous actions when she believes herself to be honourable. He can accept who he is but she loses it when he shatters the image she holds of herself.
And six seasons later he tapped Briennes puss.
@@GracefulDanny more like ate her her fuckin barnyard hay
I love that Jaime’s train of thought gets derailed several times by Brienne just being an absolute unit
Same though
Jamie would of killed her easily in his prime. The time they did face off he was half starved and had been sitting in chains for a year and yet she had to watch him. Disregard the show it’s crap read the books.
@@nepntzerZer you’re responding to year old comment, and believing your opinions on the show should be upheld by everyone else. Get a grip.
@@jake-ps4rh i can do what ever the fuck i want, you're the one who's salty about that lol. Get a grip beta.
@@nepntzerZer fax Jamie the goat
"you are no knight..."
*Jaime makes good point*
"Kingslayer...."
*Jaime explains himself*
"You are a man without honor..."
*Jaime with the comeback*
Arguing with a Stark is like arguing with someone through UA-cam comments. you're just not gonna get anywhere
You have the gift of hindsight and an observer's view of things. Jaime is incredibly cocky and that is why the monicker of Kingslayer is easy to believe. To say that anything Jaime says here is anything close to an explanation is... well frankly stupid. Ask yourself whether you even knew the truth then, and then would you regard Jaime any differently from Catelyn here?
+Alex Sommer Not really. While he's hinting as to what drove him toward much of his actions, he's not actually saying it and no one here yet knows. And so instead of his points coming across as logical counters, they just come off as half-ass excuses or flat-out mockery, just like his mocking of everything about Catelyn's family. It doesn't seem he's making arguments in good faith but using small hypocrisies as a way to justify the seemingly heinous things he's done, though his tone doesn't betray any true shame.
Had he brouched this topic more humbly as he later does with Brienne, Catelyn may have listened. I doubt she would have forgiven him, not yet, but she would have been given reason to pause. Instead, he just seems insincere. It's like a seeming serial killer trying to use the fact people kill each other all the time to justify what he's done, and saying it in a snide tone to come across like he's just regarding the debate like some kind of game.
Of course, Jaime's really not trying to convince Catelyn. He falls back on scorn, arrogance, and humor as a way to deflect from the fact that he's ashamed of himself. He doesn't want to be seen as a victim, so he embraces the facade of being a villain and owns it so people can't hurt him with it. And this is all just a part of that act. It's not until he and Brienne get close that we see the truly miserable human being underneath with very real justification for the things he did.
+Alex Sommer You gotta love how these replies prove you right. lmao
Ray14508 to hide his incest because he knows if the King finds out, he'll kill Jaime's sister & children. He did it to protect his family, as any father in the Seven Kingdoms would. The cousin killing I have no argument for it though.
Alex Sommer He has no proper arguments.
"What was the name of that bastard he fathered?" "Brienne-" "No, that wasn't it..." Probably, the one thing Tyrion and Jaime are equals in is sense of humor.
No lol Jaime didn't intend it to be humour. Ha actually thought that she was answering him when he asked lol
Jaime is literally way more funny and savage than Tyrion in the books. He's also the smartest Lannister. But hey, douche & dipshit had to fuck it up, like everything else.
Almost everyone he ever talked to got burned so hard, he was so good in barbequeing them. Trollknight The Savage.
@@95MidnightStar What ? Jaime has never been the smartest Lannister, even in the books he's called the stupidest Lannister for following his father's orders and killing Tysha, and telling Tyrion the truth just before he escaped which led to his father's murder, Jaime is my fav Lannister, but your words just prove thay you've never read the books.
@@boodyjacob9322 Funny you accuse me of not reading the books and then you say Jaime killed Tysha. Where the fuck did you get that from and what books did you read?
And, just because he followed his father's orders doesn't make him stupid, especially when that father is someone like Tywin.
@@95MidnightStar Jaime is not the smartest Lannister doubt even smarter then cerise but he is much more complex in different ways
'Who wants do die defending a Lannister?'
You'll be surprised sweetheart!
Invinciblez18 Someone besides Oberyn you mean? And, possibly Varys (if he'd been found out)
Trizzl Fizzl 'cept, if anything, Brienne was never "actually" able to defend Jaime from anything. The reverse is not true.
If it's Tyrion, then I would.
Would be interesting if that is what happens to Brienne in Season 8
ill fight for tyrion without a second of doubt
2:03 Catelyn: "She is a truer knight than you will ever be."
Jaime, six seasons later: *literally knights her*
Season 7 and 8 aren't canon, they're just goofy saturday morning cartoon fanfics.
@@theGhostfaceKiller666 same sentiments, anything that hasnt happened in the books is non cannon for me.
@@MAli-sr3rf I feel like Brienne getting knighted will still occur with GRRM
@@drd675 probably, the show was such an insult to the books though.
@@Yue_Jin It was, but D&D were given a rough outline of the most important aspects by GRRM. A few years back GRRM stated that Brienne was a descendant of Ser Duncan the Tall, and she has the same qualities of honour and justice he had, so she will most likely get it
In this scene Jamie is really showing that he inherited his father's intellect, and is a smart person. Unlike in season 8 where he literally forgets to take off a golden hand while trying to be unrecognized
You don't inherit intellect but okay .
@@emperoremyhriv4968 IQ is partially determined by heritage so yes you do inherit intellect to a certain degree.
@@kl-vt5ko Source ?
@@emperoremyhriv4968 where does it else come from?
@@IxCIHAoX Your experience, environment, and other people. Humans are social creatures. We learn from each other .
"Good ol' Ned"
Jaime's a funny bastard.
Poor ol dead ned
"What's the name of that bastard he fathered?"
"Brienne?"
"No, that wasn't it..."
Not gonna lie, that made me laugh.
+lordalessan He's an asshole.
He is.
I miss douche/dick Jamie
LOL i didnt notice this before! :D hahahaha im literally can't stop laughing! the way he says it omg :D
hahaha i didn't even notice that ffs
Jaime might just be the most charismatic character in game of thrones
Badassing roll (natural 20)
How about *Daario Naharis* ?
@@jarlborg2102 which daario
@@jarlborg2102 which daario
@@issiacmejia3385 the 2nd actor who plays Daario.
Jamie owned this conversation! He totally destroyed Catlyn's arguments haha!
I really think that when he brought up the fact that ned stark had a another kid by some other woman that was his best argument he insulted the man she loved. But what I think made it worse was the fact that it was true it had to be because she thinking about killing him.
mattaddison19 Haha he's a prick but it's better than being stupid.
mattaddison19 lololo if R+L=J turns out to be true a lot of people are going to be feeling really stupid
+mattaddison19 Hehe I loved seeing how pissed Catelyn looked. She knew he was right
mattaddison19 Nope he didn't
What’s so sad is that Catelyn never learned the truth about Jon Snow. Ned was so honorable he was willing to tarnish his reputation to protect Jon. Truly a great sacrifice.
Yep. Unfortunately as Jamie says in this scene,catelyn is way too honest with her feelings. Even if Ned told her the truth she would have eventually revealed his secret, probably in a moment of anger and Robert would have killed Jon.
Catelyn was my least favorite character even more so than Joffrey or Ramsay honestly, Catelyn did so much to doom house stark... Taking Tyrion prisoner...setting Jaime free..letting Robb marry Talisa, and she's so naive in the grand scheme of things, she carries herself as if she's the honorable one and has the moral high ground when Jaime is more honorable than Catelyn can ever know and be , I just think it's a shame Catelyn never got to be enlightened the way Brienne did
@@olofacosta3192 honestly I don’t think she would do that, knowing the truth would allow her to lose some of the resentment, and I could see her fully adopting Jon
@@Ben-vg6ox Jaime being more honorable than Catelyn? Y'all forgot that the "honorable" Jaime pushed an innocent kid down a tower to avoid his incest being discovered. And that's just one of "things he do for love" that we got to see.
Yes, he betrayed his vows and killed the mad king. But when his own son became the Mad King, he didn't intervene. Not even once.
Is he Loyal ? He sure is, have morals ? Seems like he do. Honorable? Absolutely not.
Brienne understood this : Jaime was not the dishonorable piece of sh*t that people believed him to be. He was only a dishonorable man that throwed his reputation away for the sake of morals once.
@@kayd6572In fairness to the bit about Joffrey, a good chunk of the crazy shit he did was when Jaime was outside of King’s Landing. In this cell, or otherwise occupied. Unless I’m misremembering be only returned after Margaery arrived who at that point was doing a fairly reasonable job at manipulating (reigning in, whatever you want to call it) him.
He believes it's the night of his execution and, his first thought is,
"is that a woman?"
LoL
Jaime " no fucks given " Lannister hahaha
"where did you find that beast?"
Old, lesbo 'do, no boober. I wondered too.
based Jamie
Jamie never showed fear. He was a courageous honourable man until he had to protect Cersei. In that he lost his honour and his life. Sadly for Brienne.
This is arguably one of the best scenes in GoT. I cannot get the line "Here's to Aerys Targaryen, second of his name, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, Protector of the Realm.. and to the sword I shoved in his back." It's just.. it's delivered PHENOMENALLY and blows my mind every single time!
“What a king he was…” - the line that flipped Jaime’s entire character up until this point of the show, gods the writing was good then.
When they stopped using GRRM's plots, cut characters who were important later and started doing their own crappy fan fiction(I don't think Cleganebowl would ever happen in ASOIAF), the show went downhill.
Jaime had it in perspective better than everyone. No one is completely innocent in this, but I find his and Tyrion's logic to be a lot better than most people's. His understanding of all the vows and oaths is pretty dead on. One way or another you're betraying one of them. People hate him for breaking his oath to protect the King. But if he did as the king wanted then the entire kingdom would have been burned alive. To take a line from Odin, "if not for him they wouldn't be standing there to hate him now."
"then or now"
"we swore a vow"
God-Emperor of Mankind Brandon Stark was strangled, it was Rickard of whom was burned alive by Aerys' "champion". But keep in mind Jaime was only sixteen at the time, still a child by all rights. Don't blame him for not acting earlier : no one else acted, not Arthur Dayne, nor Barristan Selmy or Gerold Hightower- grown men, of whom witnessed Aerys' atrocities far longer than Jaime Lannister. It says a lot, when a boy has to do what grown men could not, rather, would not. That he was the only one who took action : Rhaegar would have, as he told Jaime before he'd left for the Trident - but we know how that story ends : he simply never made it back.
And let's not forget, he wanted to help Rhaella.
“You’re hurting me,” they had heard Rhaella cry through the oaken door. “You’re hurting me.” In some queer way, that had been worse than Lord Chelsted’s screaming. “We are sworn to protect her as well,” Jaime had finally been driven to say. “We are,” Darry allowed, “but not from him.”
- A Feast for Crows.
We're all entitled to our opinions, and rights to like or dislike characters (I personally, am not a fan of House Stark), but that doesn't mean we have to discredit all that a character has done. Jaime did save lives, even if he couldn't save the lives of Brandon and Rickard. There's still yet caches of wildfire around King's Landing, that risk still ever present - but if it hadn't been for Jaime's actions during the Sack of King's Landing, there would be nothing left of the city and it's inhabitants.
God-Emperor of Mankind Regardless, in the end Brandon brought his death on himself. Going to King's Landing and calling out for Rhaegar to come out and die was hardly a wise choice. He knew what Aerys was like.
see i call this honourable fool disease, starks seem to be born with it(brandon, his father, eddard).
Not an entire, the entire City of Kings Landing would've been blown up in Green Flame.
Unbelievable acting from nikolaj.
Great lines delivered so damn well. Amazing
Love how Jamie is right about the oaths, you can't honour one without breaking another.
He's right about everything in this conversation... except for Ned cheating on his wife (but it's not like he was the only one in the unknown, is it ?)
Ne he isn't.
That just show you who Jaime was.
He had several oath. Protect his familly, protect his king, protect his kings subject.
The latter two were the Oath he took when he became a knight of the kings guard, the first one is his familly oath.
In the end, he chose the first one. Only killing the mad king when he asked to bring him his father's head. So there goes the "Jaime wanted to protect everyone
For me, this is one of the most important sentences in the show
@@kayd6572 You're a liar. He killed the mad king because of the wildfire. Not because of his father.
@@marty2090 Incredible, Ad hominem so quickly. Must've touched a personal hero of yours.
Don't delude yourself. It's not wildfire in itself that frightened the young Jaime since it was well known the mad king had some. Nor was it the killing of innocent people since he was already participating even tho begrudgingly, in some of the massacre his king perpetrated.
It was the idea that in his defeat, the mad king wanted everyone to die in wildfire including Jaime's father and familly.
Now let me ask you a question. Take out the wildfire and the death of the mad king. Once Tywin reached the Throne and Jaime would've had to face-off his own father in order to defend the King. Do you think he would've killed Tywin ? Do you believe that Jaime Lannister would've slayed with his bare hand his own father to keep his oath ?
Kingslayer... What a king he was
Here’s to Aerys Targaryen!
@@duolingoowl920 the second of his lord of the seven kingdoms and protector of the realm and the sword I shoved in his back
@@faisalkamal4319 you are a man without honor
Jaime: What was the name of that bastard he fathered?
Catelyn: Brienne!
Jaime: No, that wasn't it.
ahh Jaime kills me you just can't help but like him.
Lmaooo but in the end Ned never had a bastard and Jaime was the one who cheated.
Swallowed his own words there
@@Supernatural3878 Hey that's what Dumb and Dumber showed, It's not proven in the books whether Jon is actually Targaryen or not! He might very well be Ned's bastard!
@@darksiders_genesis not talking about the books
@Niranjan Rajesh G R R Martin was not involved with GOT after season 4, and everyone in the fandom knows that D & D never got a clear answer from Martin, all he said was it could be an option that Jon's true parents COULD be Rhaegar and Lyanna! He didn't give a 100% explicit answer! Let's just wait for the books if he ever plans to finish them!😂😂 GOT was shit after Tywin's death! The writing quality went down the gutter and no one cared for the plot!💯💯
@Niranjan Rajesh Bro you really believe what Dumb and Dumber say? We have never heard from Martin's own mouth, it was always the 2 that said anything about plot! For all I know they could be lying! After season 7 and 8 I don't believe them one bit!
"You know, I have never been with any woman but Cersei, so in my own way, I have more honor than, poor old dead Ned." LMAOOOO
But, it isn’t True. Eddard Stark Never cheated on Caitlyn Tully.
@@loriannwhite8384 At this point, nobody else knew that.
Hahaha yeah, he wishes
I think this is interesting though, because in the books you can tell that Ned's dislike of Jaime really rattles him - he has to tell himself that Ned's a dishonourable hypocrite, because he fathered a bastard. However, Ned keeping Jon actually makes him more honourable than ever, and it means that he succeeded in doing what Jaime didn't (his one regret): saving and protecting a Targaryen child.
@@loriannwhite8384 he didn't father a bastard in the time of his marriage (that we know of), but Ned was very likely romantically connected to Ashara Dayne. And we know that Lady Dayne had a stillborn daughter and "Looked to Stark" instead of her besotted friend, Ser Barristan.
Gotta love the deconstruction of Knights in this series. People Shit on Jaime for killing a psychopath, yet laud Knights like Barristan for quietly following orders. Hilarious.
A true samurai/knight values honor and duty above all else. Their lord's command is absolute. Even if the Lord is shit made flesh.
There is little value to such honor then, if it makes you a tool with no will of your own, in hands of a psychopath.
Observer29830 You cannot measure knighthood/samuraihood of Medieval ages using present day morals. Back then honor was what made them.
Medieval chivalry called for knights to defend the weak and the word of God. A mad king butchering the innocent violated both of those mandates.
NC Clearly you do not understand that following a mad king's order to butcher innocents, and following the word of God, were not mutually exclusive to the knight of the time. Just read about the crusades.
Season 2 was honestly so great for getting to see that Tyrion wasn't the only verbally clever one in the family. Jaime gets written off as the golden boy with a sword, but he's wicked smart just like his siblings.
He never had the oppertunity to prove his wit with words. He was no tyrion but he was a cut above the rest.
Kingslayer?? I'd say savior of Kings Landing.
Meh, still has no honour. The man pushed Bran out of a window, fights dirty and fucks his sister.
At God Emperor:
Attempted murderer?!? Pretty sure Jaime has killed well over a hundred men in his life..he is a practiced murderer lol
As far as Neds brother and father...Jaime was a teenage kings guard at the time...the hell was he supposed to do?
He killed the mad king because Tywin was sacking the city and Kings landing was lit with wildfire and aerys had his hand(pyromancer) about to burn it. Nobody around to stop Aerys but him...there wasn't 500 ment watching like when Rickard and Brandon died....Jaime couldn't do f**k all there. Let's get real
+Kingslayer64 or you know what, maybe just maybe, he could kill the fucking PYROMANCER instead of killing aerys
+TheFirstHunter he did kill the pyromancer but i still side eye the whole thing like im sure he felt pressured and everything but he was a kings guard and an excellent fighter which means he can think quickly why didnt he stop aerys in other ways? putting a sword through him was hardly the only way to stop a fragile old king from ordering someone to burn kings landing down
Kingslayer64 The point is that he should never have been in that position. He should have either stood up for the realm well before the sack of king's landing. He sat by and watched all the mad king's shit happen and only when he was alone in a room, he the only kingsguard (in fact, the only armed man) present, with only the pyromancer and the king did he decide to do something. Ned agrees when he says "You served him well, when serving was safe" and Jaime is visibly shaken by it - that's because Jaime knows it to be true just as well as Ned and the rest of the realm.
"Where did you find that beast?" I don't remember this being in the books but I sense GRRM's hand in it. Jamie is the beauty and Brienne is the beast in a wonderful twist of the original story and mister Martin absolutely loves that story.
Sandor and Sansa are similar too, with Sansa being the beauty and Sandor the beast!
GRRM doesn't get to have all the credit. D&D wrote some amazing scenes. The ladder dialog. Alot of scenes with Arya and the Hound. They aren't idiots. Just assholes for rushing and basically quitting.
@@el34glo59 adding 5 good scenes doesn't make them great.
they are stupid..
it's not just the "rushing"
Each dialogue felt bland and weak.
@@el34glo59 they're good when they have a foundation,but when they try to add too much of their own ideas,shit goes down the toilet. Just look at the creative decisions in X-Men origins Wolverine lol
I love how Jaime responds to Catelyn spitting Kingslayer at him. He's heard it for seventeen years over and over and I can imagine how sick of it he is. They say it like the king he killed was some kind of saint when in reality Jaime was doing the world and more immediately the people of Kings Landing a favor by stabbing Aerys in the back
It’s even weirder how the starks insult him with it considering the king he slayed was the one who murdered Ned’s father and older brother.
This conversation shows Jaime has a logical side to him.
How?
"Is that a woman?" Jaime Lannister, shit talker 😆
1:50 "What if the king massacres the innocent?"
So much backstory behind that 1 line, just like in season 1 when he tells Robert that the king had been saying the same thing for hours: "Burn them all".
Indeed writing was strong back then
I think Joffrey took care of that when he heard about Robert’s bastards
Ser Lannister is right about vows and oaths
"Who wants to die defending a Lannister?"
Ohhhh, Brienne, baby, give yourself a few seasons.
"Where did you find this BEAST?!!!" XD
Jaime with the tongue as sharp as his sword.
Jaime is an evil piece of shit but he's also right about basically everything he says here. In three minutes he completely deconstructs how absurd, hypocritical, unjust, illogical, and contradictory the entire feudal society of Westeros is. And despite all of the terrible deeds Jaime's done in his life, the one thing everyone hates him for (slaying the king) was ironically his noblest act and probably saved the Seven Kingdoms from complete annihilation. He became a pariah for being the only person willing to murder a tyrant that most of the country wanted dead anyway.
And that’s the point of his character.
Jaime was morally grey not evil. The worst thing he did was attempt to kill Bran but if he hasn’t his entire family including his own kids would have been executed. Most people would probably choose a stranger child of a family that dislikes you to die over your own kids
@@roll14tideroll except that it could've been avoided if he didn't do it with cersei
@@hellohowareyou7495 particularly in a nether nobles territory. Couldn't wait till later? Maybe find some woods or a forest...🤔
Jaime is not an evil piece of shit lmao
Should have said "what a King he was, he burned your lover Brandon Stark and laughed about it. you should be thanking me, Lady Stark".
Lord Rickard Stark (Ned's father) was the one that was burned alive by the mad king. While Brandon Stark strangled himself trying to rescue his father.
She already lost when her only comeback is no no u a kingslayer, u no honor, u killer.
Brandon was her betrothed, not lover. She only loved Ned.
He said it in the books. The whole thing about the mad king.(Edit: how the mad king killing starks)
Whether you love him or you hate him, Jaime powned Cats arse so to speak.
***** Oh Yes. The great Lyanna & Rhaegar myth of being Jon Snows true parents that is yet to be confirmed by Mr. George Martin. Either way Jaime stung Cat good and proper with that one.
m mr Yes. Then what would that Make Young Griff/Aegon in Essos? A Targaryen Pretender.
Senate300 the fuck? Have you watched the show? Jon is aegon the son of lyanna not elia lol. In the books aegon might be Elias son but Jon is the son of rhaegar and lyanna.
Arry Yep. Every episode in fact. Elias and Rhaegars. Until GRRM releases Winds of Winter(probably in the next century) I'll be taking the shows fan fiction with a pinch of salt. I don't think for one moment its that simple with George Martin. It never is. Still, I'll never understand why Ned couldn't trust Cat with the truth.
Lucas Rodrigues We'll just have to wait and see won't we. If D&D guessed right or went with the theory that was most popular. After all, I wouldn't put it past GRRM to spit in our faces with something different. Like the Ashara Dayne theory. Which would make no sense as he killed her brother, Arthur at the tower of joy.
Oddly I have more respect for jaimie (in the long run) than catelyn
***** Jaime had a keen sense of the past and how the present might affect the future (after his experience with the mad king, and how it forced him to realize that the 'absolute' fulfillment of oaths could prove impossible...that fulfilling one aspect of an oath - e.g., protecting the innocent - could destroy any chance of fulfilling another - e.g., protecting your king). The Starks were all just preoccupied with the present...and were rather narrow-minded in their view of honor (considering it strictly black and white, while Jaime's experiences had forced him to recognize a vast grey area).
I think Catelyn was a very flawed character. Her darker side evident in her hatred of Jon Snow. Jon never hurt her family, only her pride. In the end, it is Catelyns idea of family that is her downfall. She trusts Littlefinger and sees him as a brother; big mistake.
I think Catelyn was a very flawed character. Her darker side evident in her hatred of Jon Snow. Jon never hurt her family, only her pride. In the end, it is Catelyns idea of family that is her downfall. She trusts Littlefinger and sees him as a brother; big mistake.
It makes her human. We are all flawed, we make wrong choices, we say wrong things, we hate and love wrong people. Which is why she is such an engaging character.
in novels I hated her more, mostly because she treated Tyrion like an animal. She hated him simply because he was ugly and because he was Lannister that was enough reason to believe he was to blame for Bran accident.
In novel we could see what disgust she felt toward him, even though she barely known him.
Jamie truly can own anyone with words I believe Tyrion learned from his big bro on how to verbally own people with just wit.
The810kid ned owned him everytime they spoke lmao
O. O are u stupid
I think they both learned from Daddy.
@@tarneakamalone500 what no
@@tarneakamalone500 Literally best comment. Everytime Jaime tried to roast Ned, Ned was far more steps ahead and roasted him with just a few words :D
The moment I fell in love with Jamie
The moment I decided to hate him 10x more....
Ironically, I couldn't have hated him more back then. I thought it was so weird how popular he was with audiences. I didn't start liking him until around when he and Brienne began working together, and now he's one of my favorites. He's gorgeous but I wouldn't say I'm in love tho 😂
From this point onward I fell in love with his character.
True that,the man with the comebacks
It's so fun to come back to this scene, because you see that the person Jaime thought the least of ended up meaning the most to him... All this disdain and rudeness towards Brienne, and yet he ended up respecting and caring for her more than pretty much everyone in his life. He trusts her word more than anyone's, and she's one of the few people that truly trusts his.
You'd never have though he'd risk his life to defend her, or look utterly heartbroken every time they had to part ways (if you hadn't read the books).
Also I think Jaime admired Cat more than anybody and he was harshed to here there
"the person Jaime thought the least of ended up meaning the most to him" Jamie only cares about his family, not Brienne 🤡
@@a.sheremet4522People can love more than one person. He loved Brienne, just as he loved Cersei (and Tyrion, romantic love is not the only meaningful love). But Brienne was assuredly safe and in good company while Cersei was alone and facing eminent death -- so he made a call. He broke Brienne's heart to do so, but sometimes that's just the way the cookie crumbles. He had no doubt she would recover and thrive, and that's exactly what she did -- that's the faith and respect he has in her, exactly as I talked about in my OP.
@@sonozaki0000except you also claimed he cared more about her than anyone else in his life
@@sonozaki0000 Oh come ON! He left her just because he chose Cersei, that's all. You try to make it more complex than it was. Yes, he loved her in a way but not more than everyone (As you claimed in your OP), he didn't think about her at all when he left her because THAT'S how the cookie crumbles. If he ''respected'' her, he wouldn't bang her just to leave her. Good for you for romanticizing selfish acts but come on. He slept with her, realized he still has hots for Cersei and leaves Brienne behind - THAT'S HOW THE COOKIE CRUMBLES. Also, you made it sound that he absolutely ''had'' to break her heart, that's toxic and twisted, he didn't have to, he CHOSE to. How nice it must be living in a fairy tale
Jamie's troll game is superb here, especially since everything he says in this scene is true. Well, except for the part about Ned fathering a bastard, but everyone mistakenly believed that, so we'll let it slide.
Jamie was an absolute savage in this scene and he was being completely truthful
In Jamie’s first chapter in the books it said that Jamie Lannister did not fear death. And you can tell hear that he really doesn’t
“King slayer. And what a king he was...”
Thus begins the development of my favorite character in the show
“start a war, burn cities to ash, free their worst enemies. The things we do for love" -- Jaime Lannister
well technically it was Baelish
Jamie really struck a nerve with Caitlyn he said it and really pissed her off
i know he is gonna feel pretty stupid if jon snow does turn out to be rhaegar son that would mean that not only did ned not cheat on catelyn but also ned would have technically been doing jaime job all this time while jaime just been banging his sister
+lighter487 Lol it was brilliant. Someone finally told her the truth about what a cruel and selfish cow she had been to Jon
heyheyheyheyheyhey76 why does everyone hate cat so much for how she treated jon compared to what tywin did to tyrion and what cercei did to roberts bastards and what stannis did to his daughter cat is a freaking saint
@@mira00able i don't think people hate her for that, we don't have enough scenes ofher hating jon to justify thier hatred unlike the other characters.
Catelyn: "You've forsaken every vow you ever swore" ... "You're a man without honor."
*Seasons Later*
Jaime: *goes to the Wall to protect against the Night King with the Starks against the wishes of Cersei because he PROMISED*
but then backstabs them all to go die with his psychotic bitch of a sister-girlfriend.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 the writers fucked up
Jaime's conclusion was always honor to the innocent and the weak, he didn't kill the mad king until after it became 1000% clear he was going to burn kings landing down to the ground along with everyone in it, he jumped into the bear pit because Brienne had a wooden sword, he went all the way up to winterfell and defied cersei because he wanted to defend the world from the whites, in the end it was always "honor to the innocent" first and "doing cersei" second
is that a woman? where did you find this beast? lol Jaime is a badass!!
And then he ends up respecting her, if not more. People are full of surprises, when you get to know them better.
He didn't say "Is that a woman".
He does say "Is that a woman!?" at 1:05
A rude comment everyone fool and Knight has made = badass
how is being randonly insulting and rude "badass"?? it was hardly even clever. he's done plenty of badass things in his life, but his shitty attitude & lack of respect weren't any of them
They actually split their conversation in the book to two parts, excluded Jaime's inquiries about what's going on in the realm and all, and dumbed a bit down.
I remember that dialogue of them. I mean, it was considerably longer than what they had adapted to the show. Even the lines they put here are simplified .
''I told you, there are no men like me. Answer me this, Lady Stark: Did your Ned ever tell you the manner of his father's death? Or his brother's?''
''They strangled Brandon while his father watched, and then killed Lord Rickard as well'' An ugly tale and sixteen years old. Why was he asking about it now?
''Killed, yes, but how?''
''The cord or the axe, I suppose.''
Jaime took a swallow, wiped his mouth. ''No doubt Ned wished to spare you. His sweet young bride, if not quite a maiden. Well, you wanted the truth. ask me. We made a bargain, I can deny you nothing. Ask.''
''Dead is dead'' I do not want to know this.
''Brandon was different from his brother, wasn't he? He had blood in his veins instead of cold water. More like me.''
'Brandon was nothing like you.''
''If you say so. You and he were to wed.''
''He was on his way to Riverrun when he heard about Lyanna, and went to King's landing instead. It was a rash thing to do.'' She remembered how her own father had raged when the news had been brought to Riverrun The gallant fool, was what he called Brandon.
Jaime poured the last cup of the wine. ''He rode into the Red Keep with a few companions, shouting for Prince Rhaegar to come out and die. But Rhaegar wasn't there. Aerys sent his guards to arrest them all for plotting his son's murder. The others were lords' sons too, it seems to me.''
''Aerys accused them of treason and summoned their fathers to court to answer the charge, with the sons as hostages. When they came, he had them murdered without trial. Fathers and sons both.''
''There were trials. Of a sort. Lord Rickard demanded trial by combat, and the King granted the request. Stark armored himself as for battle, thinking to duel one of the Kingsguard. Me, perhaps. Instead, they took him to the throne room and suspended him from the rafters while two of Aerys' pyromancers kindled a blaze beneath him. The king told him that fire was the champion of House Targaryen. So all Lord Rickard needed to do to prove himself innocent of treason was... well, not burn.
When the fire was blazing, Brandon was brought in. His hands were chained behind his back, and around his neck was a wet leathern cord attached to a device the king had brought from Tyrosh. His legs were left free, though, and his longsword was set down just beyond his reach. The pyromancers roasted Lord Rickard slowly, banking and fanning that fire carefully to get a nice even heat. His cloak caught first, and then his surcoat, and soon he wore nothing but metal and ashes. Next he would start to cook, Aerys promised... unless his son could free him. Brandon tried, but the more he struggled, the tighter the cord constricted around his throat. In the end, he strangled himself. As for Lord Rickard, the steel of his breastplate turned cherry-red before the end, and his gold melted off his spurs and dripped down into the fire. I stood at the foot of the Iron Throne in my white armor and white cloak, filling my head with thoughts of Cersei. After, Gerold Hightower himself took me aside and said to me, _You swore a vow to guard the king, not to judge him_ That was the White Bull, loyal to the end and a better man than me, all agree.''
''Aerys was mad, the whole realm knew it, but if you would have me believe you slew him to avenge Brandon Stark..''
''I made no such claim. The Starks were nothing to me. I will say, I think it passing of that I am loved by one for a kindness I never did, and reviled by so many for my finest act. At Robert's coronation, I was made to kneel at the royal feet beside Grand Maester Pycelle and Varys the eunuch, so that he might _forgive_ us our crimes before he took us into his service. As for your Ned, he should have kissed the hand that slew Aerys, but he preferred to scorn the arse he found sitting on Robert's throne. I think Ned Stark loved Robert better than he ever loved his brother or his father... or even you,, my lady. He was never unfaithful to Robert, was he?''
Awesome piece of text. Loved reading it I gotta read the books.
[reading the last paragraph] Oooooohhhhhhh, I hear a cigarette burn! :) :)
HOLY SHIT, this entire dialogue about how Rickard and Brandon were killed should've been included!
@@PedroLucas-mg5je They usually discluded pretty much anything. They completely ignored most of magical things. They never explained anything.
What this show was focused was the Red Wedding and its aftermath. I'm sure D&D were just amazed by how books built up to that point and how dazzling a story it is
But after that, they were just clueless. They did not establish anything that can match the expansion of the world in book 5 and they basically skipped %80 of Dance of Dragons
3:17 I will never forget this monologue. God damn Jamie!
It’s a dialogue, dude. Haven’t you noticed the person he’s talking to?
"Who wants to die defending a Lannister?"
Oh, Brienne, that statement didn't age well at all.
Also, who would've thought such an incredible love story begins with "Is that a woman?"
@J D the writers fucked up so bad.
There has never been any "incredible love story"
@@a.sheremet4522 Oh look at the Brienne hater all over this thread. STFU
@@a.sheremet4522 the show basically confirmed jaime and brienne will be getting their grand love story in the books so wrdgaf
Fun facts:
Jaime kills karstarks, karstarks want him dead end up betraying their lord and align with the Lannisters
Dorne, mountain kills martell, sand snakes want revenge end up killing all the Martells
Baratheons hate lanisters but stannis kills renly
Every mayor household in Got has ended up weakening its self by inner conflict
Which, I believe, is Martin's point. Wars are not the clean-cut good vs. evil conflicts lots of other fantasy works show them to be.
Sand Snakes killing Martells is not from Martin's pen though.
Basically all terrible effects because of the rebellion and shift in power
Been a while since i read the books but they were plotting to murder Doran weren't they?
+BOSIE321
His daughter plotted something crazy with a kings guard she was sleeping with and her plan failed. because in the books Doran is smart and a chivase master. he is good at strategy.
The greatness of Catelyn Stark: even though Jaime humiliated her in the worst way, she releases him in the desperate attempt to save her daughters. According to many, there was a mistake, but it is clear that kingslayer was about to die, the only valuable hostage, the last possibility to bring her daughters back. I believe no mother would do otherwise, and I do not blame Cat for that.
true she had no choice. the other only thing that she could have done maybe is go with Jaime and Brienne
As a father myself, i would’ve done the same
Surprised Karstark didn't kill her tho.
@@danjayson1 She was still the mother of his king and wife of his former liege lord. If she was the same rank as him, he would have killed her.
She should've convinced Robb to do a better job of protecting Jaime. It's not like this was the first time in history that a hated prisoner needed to be kept alive.
0:08:
"Back off, you."
"NO I WON'T!"
Best dialogue in the series, 10 outta 10!
😂😂😂
He should have added, "Okay, then I fart at your general direction."
the guy who played Jaime Lannister, what an actor
You gotta love how hypocritical Ned and Catelyn were about Jaime: they had their father, brother and betrothed killed in a horrible way by The Mad King yet they look down and hate as much (or even more) the guy who killed him.
Not hypocritical; honorable.
Something I'm glad some of these Stark children shed a bit. Screw honor if it's getting you killed.
@@janellejulianajoy Definitely hypocritical. See Catelyn's story about Jon getting the pox. This is putting aside all the judgemental thoughts Catelyn has in her POV chapters. Is it human? Yes, but it's an issue when you put on a pretence of inherent higher standards.
Because he didn't do anything when the deed was being done..Only until the king lost the war did he stab the mad king in the back like a coward
@@josesesade5732 If you put it this way, to save Sansa, Ned chose to declare to a square full of people that Joffrey was the one true king. Had he sticked to his guns and "been honourable to the end", he shouldn't have done that. Sometimes circumstances suggest that honour should be put aside for practical reasons. Ned had his, and so did Jaime.
It was at this moment when I started to love Jaime's character.
Why this scene though? I thought the pool scene with Brienne was the one .
Now compare this masterpiece with season 8 and see what you get
Damn Jaime. He's too much of a hero for his own good.
I love Jaime dances around the topic of the real reason he killed Aerys and also keeps getting sidetracked by how huge brienne is
this is still one of my favourite scenes in the show! it has truth, humor very well played out great acting! the way jaimie changes his tone for every word if need be and makes a point
2:11 he sounds so badass
0:23 Brienne "Who wants to die defending a Lannister", oh sweetie you don't know, you don't know.
Patrick Perlas she wouldnt die defending a lannister u idiot
Ripleyw Snipley Please keep watching the show, as Brienne's circumstances change, a lot. While I am an idiot, I'm not so horrible to spoil this for you. Enjoy
+Patrick Perlas Wow you are truly a saint.. I would have told his dumb ass everything AND cussed him out... He had no reason to call you an idiot rofl...
Brienne didn't die defending a Lannister.
But she would.
This is the scene that made me a fan of Jamie Lannister
I can't help but love Jaime and his wit here
Gotta love Kingslayer! He definitely has balls to speak to Catelyn like that.
I love him and i love how truthful he is:)
It's amazing to go back and watch all the scenes about Ned cheating on catelyn . It shows that Ned loved his sister and her son enough to not care if everyone believed he cheated on his wife. He was willing to carry that hatred from other people in order to protect his sister's baby. I wish there were more scenes in the show that emphasize just how loving of a brother Ned was to his sister
Jaime didn't actually trigger Catelyn here. She came here with an objective and she left with that objective fulfilled. She had already made up her mind before Jaime even tried to instigate her in any way. Jaime thinks that he's goading her into killing him or whatever, but actually his honesty just strengthened Catelyn's belief that her decision to release him would save her daughters as Jaime had "some sort" of honour (in Catelyn's mind) even though he is the Kingslayer.
Jamie was a true hero
"Is that a woman?"
you're gonna love her one day Jaime.
Not love her sexual experience far from Cersei and then returns to his sister and his true love
Mariam & defom read the books
@@saradelrey6905 Jamie's actor flat out said that Jamie and Briene are soul mates.
That speech, AWESOME
and this is the part when I started to love Jaime. the questions he asks ... just brilliant! and yes, he has honor in his own way. in the book he doesn;t kill cleo lannister and at harrenhal, after loosing his hand, he receives a whore and he refuses her thinking at cersei.
jamie is so lost at this point, he is the only one who can see the world for what it is.
back then when it was still Martin who wrote the dialogues
I love how Jaime never starts the roast battle but wins them. He just goes "OK bitch, we going there? Cause I planned the trip."
It's so interesting re-watching these scenes now after you know so much more about the characters, talk about having a completely different perspective. This and Tyrian's trial.
This conversation in the books is so much longer And more interesting
This and obviously him and briene in the baths are some of my favorite jamie moments in the books and show. This scene is missing my favorite line from him though because the show didn't want to focus on the jamie/tyrion/tysha dilemma for some reason. But my favorite line by jame is "i find it passing odd that I'm reviled by all for my finest act, and loved by one for a kindness i never showed" that along with the spot on condemnation of bullshit oaths just won me over the first time i read it. I didn't fully know the tysha part on the first go around, but boy howdy does it HIT on rereads.
Brienne in Season 2: "Who wants to die defending a Lannister?
Brienne in Season 8: *Ready to die defending a Lannister*
when was that? sure she came close to death defending the entirety of the living but thats it. she came the closest to dying against the bear, against the Hound trying to defend a Stark, and against the armies of the dead defending everybody
The wit and assuredness in Jaime's voice here compared to the current season is just an ocean apart. It's almost like he's a different character now.
Who knew? People may change over the course of several years.
Star Wars fans apparently weren't aware of that when they cried and moaned that oh surprise, why isn't Luke Skywalker the exact same dude he was 30 years earlier, just with greyer hair?
@Gmail com I don't recognize your authority to dictate who has and who hasn't got a clue about Star Wars.
Actually one of the best scenes in the show
Jaime went from this to the man who Knights Brienne. That’s character development.
*Edit*
Well all that character development was thrown into the trash lmao
Haha my exact thoughts
It wasn't. He was still the man who knighted Brienne when he left her. He just couldn't bear the thought of his sister dying alone, no matter how much he had come to disdain her. That's why he makes all those self-loathing comments to Brienne when he leaves.
I love how you came back to add the edit, mad props bro!
see i don’t think jamie is serious in this situation. i see him being an asshole and terrible person as a defence mechanism. like becoming the monster they already think he is
Why? Cause he loves the one you hate? Grow up girl
This scene is even more brilliant in the books
Damn i loved this guy from begining and i will to the end such a great character development
I really like how Cat hates him and when he starts to make sense she has to say things like kingslayer and man without honor to convince herself he is as bad as she thinks he is and when he sees that she gets it but chooses to ignore it he attacks her on a personal level with the Ned thing to show that honour is bs and even the most honourable has in some way forsaken his honour
Jaime sought of took those words to heart I believe. 1 reason of 5 he turned his leaf around from being an asshole.
1. Caitlyn spoke the truth when he said he was a "Man Without Honour"
2. The fact that Cat still let him go after what he said.
3. His lose of his hand and time to think about what he'll be without it.
4. Having to face his foes with wit instead of brawn
5. Keeping an Oath to a Woman and Man he secretly truly respects.
"What's the name of that bastard he fathered?"
"Brienne?"
"No, that wasn't it."
Gods, the writing was strong then!
One of my favorite scenes from the show
LOVED Jamie back in season 1 and 2; he was so witty and chirpy, much like Tyrion- always having the last word. Yet now he seems to have gotten a bit more 'boring'. I want a script for season 6 that brings back his awesome witty personalty.
Mining Forge and throw to the garbage all his character development, no thanks
photogonboard You're right, I believe him and Jon Snow are the most developed characters of this series (specially Jon if you compare his behaviour from season to season).
photogonboard His character development won't disappear if he goes back to being interesting.
Carlos Fermín The actor Kit Harrington couldn't carry Nikolaj's piss bucket with the shit level of acting no emoting fat placid faced dullard portrayal he gives for Jon Snow. It makes me SICK because they only hired him because they couldn't get their hands on Aidan Turner from BBC3 Being Human who got quickly scooped by Jackson for The Hobbit. The 'IT' hot male actors from Britain of this era are young dark curly haired complectioned guys and scraping the barrel for one to hold a spot worked fine for D&D since 90% of the rest of their cast are stellar to make crap actors like Emily Clarke and Harrington seem capable. They scooped up Adams for Star Wars for the dark curly hot guy looks.
***** I was talking about characters, not actors D:
Just came back here after the last episode.
cant wait to see everyones reaction when they know the trusth about jon snow
Jaime may be the most dynamic character in GoT. His arc (season 8 notwithstanding) is incredible and his backstory's reputation really shines a light on the lazy judgmental hypocrisy of people.
1:34 loved this whole part about the vows. Genius
Favorite scene in the show. Very underrated.
Of course. A large chapter and one of the most important in the whole story and they cut many interesting pieces. David and Dan wasn't good writers at all. Not just in S7 and S8 but from the start.
His last night alive and he says “is that a woman ?!”
If he thought he was going to die anyway, then he might as well take the piss like (literally) there's no tomorrow.
Love the soundtrack at the end of the video
Great dialogue.
Lol, "KingSlayer" Jamie "Badass" Lassinster, could give 2 fucks. Man alive, my hero. ☺️
He did give lots of fucks, though.
I forgot how good the early seasons were. The balls of Jamie. Poor old dead ned who else literally went when he said that ooooo fuck me he went there 😅