Twitter VS GeorgeNotFound Part 3
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I don't like how she's acting like she got roofied but don't want to admit to her own and her friends' mistakes
omg gummy
Exactly. Based.
Personally I feel like this is a "everyone is in the wrong" kind of situation
He should have asked more questions and got confirmation especially considering he didn't know her or her age and his career and silence is not consent in this context if he was drunk he shouldn't have been trying to get with anyone anyway because that whole I'm drunk thing could have worked both ways
She shouldn't have been drinking underage she should have moved away simply because she didn't know him she should have left with her friends in the aftermath she should have told the whole"truth"
Her friends should not have let her drink underage and they should have l made sure she made it back to her room safely even if that while situation hadn't happened who leaves their friend drunk with a guy she doesn't really know in a hotel where she's not in her room? Have you never seen a single true crime show ?
It just makes more sejse when thought about from that view
I personally don't know if I would support anyone in this situation as far as taking sides as an audience member who isn't involved
@@thelostonetxt8450this but people don't want to hear it... Because they see this story more as ammunition to destroy someone they don't like...
tbh she shouldnt have been there in the first place. She pulled some illegal shit and nobody cares about her decisions to do so. She chose to enter a 21+ area, and got drunk and she chose to stay. People are also treating this like he sexually assaulted her, but nothing sexual actually happened????@@thelostonetxt8450
So are we gonna ignore the fact her fucking adult friends brought her into this situation? Insanely irresponsible
EDIT; I don't care that she was 18, 18 and 21 are pretty different developmentally
Older friends with more experience as adults should protect their newly adult friends
Stop trying to argue with me on this, because I'm not going to bust ass replying to everyone. Hopefully this clears it up
That's what I'm saying but everytime I bring that up Caiti stans always change the subject and I always get attack
Bruh... she's an adult too.
@@CERTAIND00M an adult barely out of her teenage years who shouldn't have been drinking
I sadly guess so...
@@crispy7499 I don't care. Have you ever heard of college? Unfortunately nobody gives a shit about the legal drinking age. Personally I think it's arbitrary and stupid that you can't drink at 18 which is the age where you are legally considered an adult, can vote, get into massive debt, purchase a house, and sign contracts. Everyone there was drinking, she was drinking before she even got to that event with her friends so that is her own fault and her friends fault. Not the people who's party they crashed after they had already been drinking.
We live in an era where "innocent until proven guilty" no longer exists 💀
Or the boy who cried wolf due to stories in the past
@@mintyglitch9304 It's "The victim who cried wolf" now
Which is wild given the MamaMax situation.
@@mysticfaint yeah :/
i feel like we would have learned from kwite and dream but no💀
Wait, so she was too drunk too to think straight, but was able to comprehend that it would have been a bold move to not sit next to him again and that she would have embarrassed him and herself in front of everyone?
And she supposedly remembers sooo many little details about that night…
She's couch coded bro.... its a thing. (???)
She’s clearly doing this for clout, unfortunately the autistic waste of twitter believes crap like that.
Also fuck Aimsey she’s always gonna side with the alleged victim, despite this case having proof otherwise.
@@clarissa8477 If she's lying or making it up, then she's actively making a joke of the people who go through these kind of situations, making a mockery of it.
Exactly, according to her own story, she may be drunk. But she's neither unconscious or delirious.
You're still responsible for actions while drunk. Imagine anyone else using this excuse when commiting a crime.
Bro the fact she still thinks she’s in the right is wild 💀
Nu the fact the guy really bow down to them even though he proven she lied in some of her statement and how they keep using this "shes 18" card like shes not a legal adult and not "freshly 18" like they claim. THATS EVEN MORE WILD and idiotic of him
@TheTipsyDragon nah fr I don't even care anymore George bowed done to the allegations
@@TheTipsyDragonwell when you have no back bone and a army of blood hungry twitter users I can see the pressure getting to him
@sir_paniccakettv1263 Fr these mc UA-camrs have to start fighting back, their basically doormats for allegations now :/
All she did in this video was prove she felt ok in the moment but afterwards wanted to milk it for the drama
if this shit was brought to a courtroom Caiti would be charged with 1st degree murder for causing the judge to laugh himself to death.
😂Brooooo
That was pretty good ngl 😂
😂😂 Broooooo I will be right there in the courtroom laughing too
also underage drinking
That’s Post-Cuddle-Clarity for ya.
It’s so funny “how can I consent when I was drunk” wasn’t… he drunk too??
Also why were you in a position you could get alcohol? Did your friends supply it? If you’re friends are supplying an underage person alcohol and then not stepping in as you’re being assaulted they’re pretty shitty friends
You forgot to mention the part where they left her alone, drunk, with two men that they barely know. Absolute ass friends.
Apparently her friends got drunk/smashed/hammered too and were too drunk to step in. Blame her shitty friends for putting her into that situation. Also I hear that she wasn't actually drunk, but that is just hearsay rn.
It's not been confirmed, but based on the controversy Dream found himself in not too long ago, I think he may have been the one to supply alcohol.
@@Nemisis007 The gumball controversy?
You aren't wrong about the friends thing. Everyone who sat there and watched him do that and didn't say or do anything was shitty.
Thank you for making these videos because I’m never touching that god awful site ever again
Thank you Bowblax for sacrificing your sanity so we may be informed on recent internet drama.
legitimately the worst site with the worst concentration of bad takes on the internet. I drink coolant after being on x just to clear my thoughts
the only times I'm touching twitter is to find birdie leaks, I fuckin' miss their art and animations
Twitter is fun you guys are just focused on the weirdos
Most artists went to Twitter because Tumblr did what it did.
This whole situation is stupid.
Facts brother. Just go to police if you think it's SA and not Twitter or Twitch.
by far the best take on this whole drama
wilbur is likely getting away with this cuz people are stupid
Idiot. @@crashbandit0483
@@crashbandit0483 DUDE THATS WHAT IM SAYING
"Let's post about it to farm engagement instead of going to the police "
Yeah don't want anyone looking into text messages and realize you are lying do you.
Not going to the police fairly quickly is a clear indicator a girl is lying about an assault.
@@TGTDestiny not really proving everything that happened to the police is a long long process where you're scrutinized the whole time it's alot for the victim and most the time not worth it because the police are incredibly unlikely to believe you
@@confusedmess7104That’s why you get proof..
Oh yes the police which have the greatest track record of dealing with this. Lmao hey maybe next you can tell the lady who got assaulted by the estranged ex to ask for an extra copy of the no contact order. Im sure it'll help 😂😂😂😂
@@schwarzwald6672 Well darling it does, usually males that are assaulted by females are laughed out of the court room or even if they have evidence told by their own attorney "Don't do anything just leave her."
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's much more likely to be taken seriously and investigated from top to bottom if you're a woman than if you're a man.
bowblax sees all caps in text and has to growl and yell to make sure anyone listening and not watching knows that text is being written in all caps
It's also funny to imagine the people writing it are that upset.
OHHH, that's why he does that. (I watch these in the background whilst playing videogames so I thought it was just random)
Crazy how this is literally all just her word, yet people still wanna side against George. And she has the audacity to say she “misspoke”, when she was LITERALLY reading off of her phone. Her story has so many holes it’s laughable.
Ya, after hearing her response here a lot of it is excuses and trying to rage bait people into siding with her, its gross actually.
But muh BELIEVE ALL VICITMS, like wtf i believe all things that you can prove.
@@3magikarpinamansuit281I just love the fact that saying "believe all victims" directly contradicts "guilty until proven innocent" lol
@@3magikarpinamansuit281Thats exactly why I think the Wilbur allegations are bullshit as well. All of what happened to him was because of a 30 minute vod from Shelby. You know how fucking dangerous that is? That’s why I think the “social experiment” that person did on tubbo, while extremely dangerous given that he did nothing, proves to a tee how destructive someone’s word can be on the internet. Now, if Wilbur actually did what Shelby said, shame on him, more power to her, but show me some proof! Give me damning fucking evidence, and then I’ll start taking sides. Crazy how people are calling him a “serial abuser”, when they don’t know a thing about him outside of his online presence.
@@thatvrdude1856huge agree! i mean, wilbur is obviously a freak, that much is true, but a serial abuser is going way far considering no proof has been shown yet
Her logic is completely stupid.
What logic? Lol
@@anthonyg5001getting in social media instead of going to the police
That ain't even logic
@@boryontotheleader2328She would be at best turned away and at worst charged with murder for causing the police to laugh to death if she did that
Why are we pretending she’s a minor? She keeps citing her age as if that’s some bombshell but she’s LITERALLY AN ADULT?
I love how these "victim's" always make a mountain out of a molehill. He may have been slightly awkward but it is not SA. He flirted with her and she flirted back eventually she regreted it. He was in the wrong for something minor and she made it sound like she got graped.
fr some touching is SA?. my bro was drunk also...now she regrets it, and is blaming him for it now.
@@thatcoolsuit Woman drunk? she is like totes defos supes 3 years old and can't have access to basic human functions required to be responsible and accountable for their decisions.
Man drunk? Perfectly reasonable, capable individual who is completely responsible and accountable for everything, including other peoples' decisions even when those other people are lying to and manipulating them.
Obviously I am not trying to make a dig at women in general, and many women hate this shit too, I am just making a dig at this stupid double standard logic. We must treat women like they are just as, or more, powerful and capable than men, but the moment something goes wrong, a woman is a perfect little angel baby who can do no wrong and everyone must coddle and infantilize them.
"I yearn for true gender equality. I have no patience for one who talks about female privilege when it suits them, and then complains about someone 'not being a man' when it's convenient!" - Kazuma, Konosuba
So all he did was touch someone, in a non-sexual way, while drunk and this blew up? If anyone is at fault here it's the girl since she snuck in a 21+ area when she was 18
she should learn if she heads up to a mans hotel room, even with other people.. theres probably some insinuation of sex. As just a normal person what does schmoozing with giant creators even do? She cant see it from their POV. They probably rip through teen pussy with all these dumb girls in the ecosystem.
its her older friends fault for putting her in that position
@@Le-xykinda also her fault for sneaking into a 21+ space when she was 18.
@@Le-xyshe's perfectly capable of refusing, she wasn't even "freshly" 18 like she said
@@Le-xyAlso her own, she grown and should know damn well not to.
Her "friends" aren't getting nearly as much flak. Actually seemingly none at all.
It's not like Caiti was alone and left to fend for herself. Not only did these "friends" do nothing, they pretty much allowed it to happen in the first place.
Irresponsible all around. 18 may be the bare minimum but you are already an adult, responsible for your own actions. That's the deal. If you disagree then we oughta strip them of their privilege to go out, get wasted and kept at home under mommy/daddy like the kids they supposedly are.
Yeah, if Caiti was as visually uncomfortable as she said she was, even a drunk friend would see that. Girl code would've gone into FULL effect, and her friend would've gotten her out of there. Either subtly or aggressively.
if shes so immature she cant act like an adult maybe she shouldn't be going to 18+ parties in the first place 💀 but no, they're both simultaneously mature enough to choose to hang out with older people, get drunk, go to parties yet also immature enough to be "preyed" on lol
Her friends aren't her parents, she's an adult who can make her own decisions. She was not manipulated and nobody "allowed" her to do anything. That's why.
@@thegreatynot5049 They were there. They coulda done something. They all agree it was an uncomfortable situation yet nobody did anything thus allowing it to happen.
Her friends not being her parents doesnt mean they shouldnt look out for her.
This pisses me off as an actual SA victim. Have regret the day after is okay but to try to ruin someone when they did nothing is absurd. What he touched her waist and cuddled? They were both wasted neither could have consented but nothing she did clearly communicated that she didn’t want it. Just a simple “hey could please stop” it didn’t even have to be loud or anything. This seems like a communication error on her part not to mention that she was drinking underage and is currently misrepresenting what happened during the party.
Well as someone who got SA'd by two different people I'm calling bs on this statement, when it happened to my I froze up and it felt like a bubble formed in my throat. People react differently to situations. Theres also such things as depersonalisation and dissociation in reaction to traumatic events. I can't vouch for Caitie here but its isn't just a simple as "hey could please stop" and for you to say that makes me doubt your first claim, either that or you're wilfully ignorant to how people respond to things
@molyneuxproject you are just as ignorant. No two peoples experiences are the same. Smh.
@@rare_name420 agreed
@@molyneuxprojectI can understand this part about feeling trapped cause ive been there before,
What urks me though is her saying George SA’d her when theyre both drunk and probably neither were in the right mindset
And how crappy her friends must be
I agree with the fact that it was a miscomunication, but like some other people are saying, not everyone react to something like that, her experience is valid but I think George is getting blamed excesively since he was also drunk, I dont think the age difference matters on this given how both were de-neuronified by the alcohol
So two adults got drunk, one of them got drunk illegally while knowing theres a law for a reason. Had a random drunk cuddle sesh, and decided it was assault bc she was drunk? Wow
She decided it was assault because she regretted it later. She's mega stupid if you ask me.
Yea, bro is getting accused for SA while he didn't even get to first base 🗿
@@sweaspurdoddd5466 Bad Luck Brian is making a comeback huh?
@@diegomedina9637bad luck Brian 😂
Most annoyingly, how can she blame literally everyone for letting her drink under 21, but take no fault on herself for even drinking under the legal age? It's nobodies responsibility to be a party pooper and catch you, you should be responsible and if you choose not to, you have nobody to blame but yourself. She was 18 years old!!!
'Oh he definitely saw my instagram bio so he should know' ain't shit when you're negligently wearing armbands to prove you're over 21.
I swear innocent until proven guilty is just dead now cause no one uses it
It’s Twitter like cmon
It's guilty until proven guilty..
Tbh in TikTok there peep who in the comments who said "innocent until proven guilty" and you got someone replying in caps lock "BUT HE ADMITTED IT"
It reminds of that video on YT and quote on quote "people wanna talk loud while talking smart" aka that spongebob video
The new generation of kids don't really understand or believe innocent until proven guility is how things work.
@divinemuffins2797 why is that video so accurate?
she uses the drunk card so much to excuse her actions but that same extension of logic doesnt apply to George. (becasue he was drunk if you didnt know 🤓)
There's a big difference with age and intentions of each individual, is just not the same dude
@@TheBlueVenus exactly why the 18 yo shouldn't have been drinking.
Totally agree, don't get me wrong, but that does not mean she should get everything that happened as if didn't matter, George did screw up she as well, but nobody tried to touch George in a sexual manner
dude he touched her on the waist under her shirt thats far from fucking sexual assault@@TheBlueVenus
Youre right. She shouldnt have been at the party or the room drinking at all. And takes ZERO accountability for her behavior and actions. Or her friends @TheBlueVenus
I love how fast the "I'm a victim" mask dropped. She went from "Guys, admitting this makes me afraid" to "HAHA! YOU TOUCHED ME WHEN I WAS DRUNK!!!" She's pretending to be this shy girl who didn't know how things worked at parties, but can summon an essay about all her thoughts that night. Clearly, homegirl was not that drunk if she's now able to recall all of these details on top recalling her internal thoughts.
This girl seems a bit mentally unstable, which makes sense given her friends.
Also, I agree with everyone. Her 21+ friends need to be held accountable for taking someone under 21 to a party where alcohol is served and leaving her there.
Again, maybe don't hang out with groupies, fellas. This situation blew up because somebody wanted easy clout.
Now that u mention that i can see it pretty easily. Thats crazy her personality switched so easily
Holding her responsible for underage drinking is apparently 'victim blaming' and everyone else who 'could have read' her instagram bio are the real predators for allowing her to drink... Even though it should be her responsibility its way easier to pawn it off to everyone else and be a victim.
At some point it truly feels like so many of these allegations are just character assassinations and an attempt to get 15 minutes of fame, if you are THAT confident that you are right and have evidence and it truly fucked you up like you said it did, then take them to court.
The only reason they don't is probably because they know that rational "innocent till proven guilty" mindset having people will have doubt in their mind and can't be emotionally manipulated as easily
But caiti is “shy” so she’ll just ignore it for another year before she regrets her stupid actions, then she’ll take it to court.
she wouldnt win this case. in the court there is acknowledgment of silent consent through body language and action. Going up to a mans hotel room is already kind of there. Then sitting down and getting drunk, not saying no etc. Often times they know this, thats why they do this in the public where they can get away with it.
Their defense against bringing it to the police is that “most rapist don’t convicted and the law is against women”
Nothing to take to court, except maybe supplying her the alcohol, but good luck proving that.
That and the fact that she's leaving for a week and will make another statement when she gets back makes me think homegirl wants to keep farming off of engagement when she gets back.
On Twitter, you get paid based on how many interactions are made on a post. The best way to get paid from monetized engagement is to claim to be a victim of SA.
If this was about telling her story and supporting victims, she could have limited replies so she didn't profit off of it.
This girl is running game, making a mockery of women who were SA'd at parties, because she wanted a boost in followers.
People haven't learned a goddamn thing about overblown/ false allegations from situations like Dream, Kwite or that cosplayer, Inquisitor (r.i.p).
Are you really surprised? Twitter has always been horrible. It's just gotten worse.
Or twomad. It's been over a month and all jameskii proved is what we knew, that he's a harasser, but that's not a rappist, murderer or a pëdœ. Sickening to do that to someone who's dead and can't respond...
@@Whatdoyoumean891 never surprised. But always disappointed.
Never did at all
It’s Twitter what do you expect?
So basically, she was too shy to say no when cuddling, but then got mad when he did.... wtf 🙄
so her 'friends' saw her being 'sexually assaulted' and did nothing about it except txt her the nxt day? either she has the worlds worst friends or her body/verbal language was positive so they didnt feel the need to step in.
dont forget they also knew her age and let her drink, then left her alone with everyone
Wouldn't be surprised if the people egging her on to do and say all these are the same friends. Clay did say those people hated him and his friends.
If Catie's response, the friends got super drunk too. They were completely immature.
Since when is touching someones waist SA , anyways ? Good lord that seems like a stretch to me .
I really hate how people use "Trauma" now a days. This seems like such a mid situation that got blown waaaay out of purportion. Her friends brought her to a party, she drunk on her own and her friends let her she cuddled with George and he touched her stomach and now she has Vietnam war flashbacks???
I dislike all the "yes men" praising her and not criticizing how she handled the situation, calling her "strong" for surviving cuddling with a guy while drunk.
Her saying that she would never be the same person again after getting tickled is wild 😂
As someone with actual trauma after years of abuse, this is just so insulting. It's so incredibly insulting.
These people look at actual victims and just thinks it's a funny little joke they can exploit on social media against some random D-class celebrity
"Oh no, not physical affection! Not the romantic intimacy! Muh trauma!" HR World.
This is what happens when you have circlejerk of people claiming Self diagnose is valid. We stopped ppinting out when stupid people do stupid things
The fact that she makes the age thing and her choosing to drink underage the backbone of her argument shows she never had a real case.
Exactly. She was underage and her and her horrible friends made the conscious decisions to put her into a possibly dangerous situation with men she’s never meant.
It’s one thing to be groped by a stranger at a club. It’s another to be 18, sneaking into a 21+ event. Going to an after party with a bunch of men whom you’ve never met, and getting shitfaced.
I’m not saying she deserved it, or that there’s any excuse. But this situation was sketchy and yet, she and her friends put her into this situation.
Freshly 18 as if she wasn’t born in January. I’m sorry, but I personally don’t find 18 and 26 weird as that’s eight years, and I personally find 6-8 years to be pushing my extent. Now if he were 28-30, that’s where I would personally feel uncomfortable. Yet they’re both adults, and the age gap isn’t extremely outrageous but her constantly mentioning and trying to manipulate the situation by saying she’s freshly 18 gets you to sort of infer that he’s a weirdo or creep. Now, furthermore, in terms of I’m drunk and can’t consent. That argument is completely ridiculous, considering he is also drunk. If your logic is that drunk people cannot consent, then both of you could not consent yet It’s somehow his fault. it seems to me her actual argument is drunk females can’t consent, which is obviously not true, considering any person, regardless of gender or sex cannot consent when drunk. But it begs the question if both people are drunk, who can consent, and who cannot. This whole situation seems that both of them were engaging therefore no one‘s at fault. If anything, considering there isn’t a lot of proof on her side, if I were George and I were actually innocent I would sue for defamation of character. And try to make this as a standard for content creators in general so false allegations don’t happen. Although if I were caiti and this legitimately did happen, I would obviously go to the police. regardless of how long this process may take it is a shore way to ruin someone’s life and get the required justice
I don’t understand how she’s implying an abuse of power if he never actually used his age or status to manipulate her.
I love how she keeps trying to act as if she’s a 14 year old minor when she’s literally a legal adult. So I’m not sure why she throws her age around like it’s some bombshell.
She’s an opportunist she used the shubble situation to piggy back off the “fame”
That's the Wilbur one right?
@@lovableairheadmile6809yup
The whole "I was fine with it at the time, but then friends questioned me about it and now im thinking maybe im not fine with it" is weird.... not saying the situation was chill, but this gets weird when everything was ok in the moment and then over time things change... I dont know about this whole thing.
From what little I know about studies into this, prompting from others (Spouse, friends, doctors, therapists, strangers, etc) is usually a sign of a false accusation.
We as a society need to make it clear this shit is CUT. we are done with this misandry mob on Twitter. She’s not a victim.
Its because she probably originally was fine with what was happening but because she did not verbally consent to it, her friends told her she can ruin his career.
It sounds like her friends were talking her into feeling weird about the situation in those DMs.
Plus her friends hate dream and his group for some reason. I bet she was manipulated by her "friends"
I dont understand why she keeps using the "I was drunk, i couldnt consent" card. Itd be one thing if she was and he wasnt and he took advantage of her, but it seems like ALL of them where drunk. I'm not condoning him touching her without verbal consent, but sometimes situations like that move along with body language.
Also how tf is nobody mentioning that her friends got her into 21+ areas, and brought her to the hotel room and left her? This whole situation just feels like she is trying to farm reactions and views to get more engagement from this.
I'm kinda confused on what he needed consent for if they were already cuddling. All he did was touch her on the waist, how is that worse than the aforementioned cuddling?
You're suppose repeatedly ask for consent for every millimeter of new contact traversed or shift in position you make. It wouldn't have mattered either way because you're not allowed to touch someone who is 18+.
@@NorthAyase based
@@NorthAyase Don't forget to ask for an ID before cuddling. Never know if the bouncer who gave her the 21+ bracelet is a PDF file
(God I hate how we have to censor our words like its cable TV in the 70s.)
A pattern I'm noticing with chronically online people is they're permanently teenagers with black and white thinking.
They don't know how the world works and they surround themselves with equally socially impaired people which means they lose opportunities to grow as people.
@@NorthEevee she explained she didn't have the bracelet though???
I feel like this situation isn't nearly as serious than Wilburs situation tbh. idk why she chose to come out with this NOW but its definitely keeping traction from a literal case of domestic abuse compared to two drunk ADULTS at a party. if she wanted to come out about this, fine whatever, but not the right time dude. there's more serious situations going on rn
People come out with it when things are already bad or possibly to make things work, example would be when dream did his face reveal and he was already put in controversy right after it. They wait for something big to happen for the creator of or community then they decide to talk about it
I bet Wilbur Soot's Allegations are 100% true...
Cool. As someone who was groomed by an older woman; it's hard to realize it till a lot later
@@nexusgigasorry that happened to you,I was sexually assaulted too
@@XenoAcademy good for your? You basically stated you're an idiot and a sheep that'll just believe anything throwm at you
I don’t understand, like my brain is literally on fire trying to figure out how any of this is George’s fault?? Twitter is a weird place
It is on the fact that he misunderstood someone's intention while he was drunk, he should take accountability on that and properly apologize, but it is that, someone drunk misunderstood someone's elses intentions while they were also drunk, her experience is valid for her to feel wronged but people are exaggerating on this
Her friends sound the most irresponsible, she's forgetting a lot of detail while remembering a lot at the same time its confusing
Isn't 18 considered a adult? Like young yes but she just seems very super naive
It's twitter... I've seen people calling someone a pedo for interacting with a petite 25 year old chick so...
@@Alik_Odesslol i wanna mention something, so there was this woman, and this man, and they were both in their twenties. she was extremely petite and looked as if she hadn't gone through puberty. well they both liked each other, did the deed, and the guy ended up in COURT over it even though they were both adults
eventually they ruled that as an adult she's capable of making her own decisions regarding sexual acts and thankfully it was dropped
@@k-onenthusiast5234 That's insane!
For someone arguing about consent she really doesn't know a lot about it.
I hate the term freshly 18. It's just moving the goal posts to try and make 18 not the legal age of consent anymore or something when it clearly is. Twitter is weird man.
It's them being legal but trying to make them not sound legal, to put it bluntly. Yet another way of them trying to avoid responsibility
@@Aimai.37Professional victim mentality. Moving the goalpost to make yourself feel more oppressed to gain sympathy points. Very common in this day and age.
@@adrianpaul1985 yep, shit's so annoying
I think she was 18 and 9 months old? With all this phrasing of 'freshly 18' I would have thought it would be at the very least the same month.
She said he could’ve asked if she was okay with him touching her, which begs the question: what would’ve been her answer? She keeps saying she felt honored and lucky to be in their presence and said that she didn’t wanna make things weird by avoiding him. So would she have been able to tell him no? Or would she have said yes still? Even then in the end they’re both drunk and incapable of making thought out decisions. Just seems like everyone involved was stupidly careless, from her to her friends to George and his friends
Did she ask for consent from George? They were cuddling on the couch and he said she also initiated some of the touching and she kept getting up off the couch and then coming back to cuddle so did she ask consent for her touching of him?
If she is so absurdly self conscious to the point she says she seated to his side all the time to not embarrass him in front of his friends or whatever, then even if George asked her if she was uncomfortable, she would have probably said no for the same reason.
Ykw this make me think more. if she said George could've asked, why didnt she say or do anything in the first place? Like just get up and leave tf and like George is a literal twink anyways the only think big about him is his fat ass (I'm jk but like have you seen his ass in the Mrbeast video-) he not gonna hurt u 😭
I love how she says she's drunk repeatedly. But doesn't take accountability for drinking irresponsibly in a room full of people older than her. Has made a lot of poor decisions made and then wants to dump it all on him. Smh
And her friends should be the ones held accountable
And drinking illegally
They NEVER take accountability...
And he had been drinking too. Women are always given a full pass bc of that but men are vilified in these situations no matter what.
She is trying to paint this in the image of her not being at fault at all. In this case it seems George had a misunderstanding which lead to him doing what he did. So assuming he isn't a psychopath who doesn't care about the effects of his actions, we can say this is of fault on each side because George was mislead, and Catti could've prevented this. It is unfair to dismiss criticism of Catti as victim blaming because the situation was not beyond her control, and the person who harmed her was not going out of their way to do so. In the end I think they both need to take more accountability because Catti is too consumed by her victimhood to do so, and I think George doesn't truly recognize the harm done by his actions because it seemed like he approached his response with more of a dissmissive mentality.
I get it, getting touched inappropriately feels horrendous and sickening, as someone who's went through that myself. But if you lied about your age and went to a party full of adults, that's something you should focus on more in all honesty... Who can blame George for touching a girl inappropriately in a place he thought(and meant to be) was full of adults?
Not to mention she said NOTHING got up and went back to lay with him multiple times and wasn’t even supposed to be there and she knew it
Getting your stomach touched is legit nothing. Middle school students would laugh at you if you said that you had “sexual” experience and named getting a belly rub
And she was an adult at this party of adults, this isn't the UK, just because she couldn't legally drink doesn't mean she wasn't an adult, she was 18/19
After Tobuscus, I no longer believe evidenceless claims, because these women are just able to be the most vial thing.
That’s a name I haven’t heard in a long long time …
Bruh after that? Not after all high profile accusations on the internet ?
Same with the kwite situation
Having Bowblax condense all of this for me is saving me the mental anguish of Twitter. Stay brave Bowbs
Let me get this straight, George and caiti are both drunk at a 21 plus party and they are cuddling each other willingly and George tickles her tummy a little bit and now that classifies as assault. The WORST case scenario seems to be that George may have known her age but, creepy or not, it is still legal. At the end of the day I think this is something she deeply regrets but shouldn’t be classified as assault and I hope /think she isn’t doing this out of malicious intent to ride off of the recent events with other youtubers
No, according to their statement he touched her underneathe her shirt but ontop of her bra on her breast. This was after tickling and they had been cuddling and spooning for about an hour prior.
Being drunk is being used as an excuse so damn much, if you're drunk and kill a family while driving, you're still a murderer...
I swear at this point if content creators want to hookup with someone they're gonna need a lawyer present so this shit doesn't happen lol
An NDA which states consent is provided and any attempt to bring this situation up and frame it as assault will result in a defamation lawsuit?
I agree with that.
That title isn't right it should be "innocent until proven guilty not found vs Twitter"
would be a more engaging title ngl
It would, lol. Also, nice pfp
“You can’t consent while drunk” so being drunk takes away ALL your responsibilities? So is that what you tell the police when you’re pulled over for dui? That’s different? How? YOURE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS WHEN YOURE DRUNK.
"Officer, I can't take responsibility for that family of four spread across the pavement because I'm drunk. Also I'm unable to consent to being arrested sir."
Yep. Catie seems like the type of person to never hold herself accountable for anything.
As irresponsible as she sounds, she probably dies drive drunk. She gives off that "perpetually 15" vibe.
Rape apologist
These people should seriously take this to the police. I’m not even joking. The internet doesn’t need to be the main battle ground. The court of law is much, much more reliable at dealing with these situations.
they havent because they got no evidence
They take it to the internet because it's not serious enough or has enough proof to do anything, she's an adult and so is he and the fact that she says she was chilling in that one message would make it hard for a prosecutor to make George seem guilty
They're not going to court because as soon as discovery begins, her entire plan will fall apart.
Well if caiti reports this to the police station, chances are "she got uno-reversed" because she didn't know/realize that she is also on adulthood and her friends... And it's their responsibility because of their fault lol
that requires evidence, which they have nothing of. they wanted to destroys a male persons life. they failed to do so, and will now run away without repurcussion.
the lack of responsibility is on another level and the "i was drunk and was drinking" is the worst excuse. there is no excuse to do such dumb things even while drunk
This girl is just full-on manipulative....
*blames it all on alcohol and the other people, despite willing to drink on her own accord beforehand ✓
*uses age as an excuse despite basically lying about her age (wearing the 21+ wristband) AND being the age of consent anyways ✓
*had plenty of chances to mention how uncomfortable she is, or confront george after and discuss it like a normal adult, but decided to just blow it up on the internet a while later ✓
*does not take accountability for her actions (she was touching him too, laying on him) ✓
Imagine making it seem like you're right by taking things out of context, excluding things that make you look bad, and over-exaggerating things, for absolutely no reason... What a horrible dishonest trait to have.
She saids she wasn’t wearing the 21+ and gives some evidence here: 11:22
What do you mean blaming it on the alcohol? Being willing to drink, and then getting drunk, does not make what happened okay.
I completely agree, she should have done that. Although George should have got consent before going through with what he was doing. She was drunk but she still had the ability to say no.
She didn’t lay on him, at least I didn’t read it/remember hearing it
@@FasterBueno didn’t lay on him? Are you incredibly stupid or just biased? I mean it’s confirmed from both sides that they were basically cuddling at that point, especially if it’s found out, she fully engaged the cuddle then could he perhaps, say that she sexually assaulted him.
@@FasterBueno
when i say "blaming it on the alcohol" i mean dodging all accounts of responsibility. she mentioned in her first video where she spoke up about it (i watched all of it when it first came out) she was saying how everyone else pressured her to drink and how bad it is to do this to an 18 year old. i really felt bad for her until george brought up his side of the story.
It's not right to have stuff happen to you whilst drunk when you dont want it to. But cmon. She remembers all of what happened, she wasn't blackout drunk was she? Plenty of people still have conscious thought over their actions when tipsy-drunk. Trying to dodge responsibility for those actions by saying "i was drunk" and then further pushing that victim narrative by saying "im only 18" is just ridiculous and manipulative. the way she framed it is making george to be the big predator when she was reciprocating those actions back at him.
she was actively cuddling with him. (in her video she says shes on a couch and george comes up and touches her. In georges video he mentions they were already cuddling). you are right about consent, but realistically at parties like this, if 2 people are up on eachother then obviously at least one side will think that consent has already been mutually agreed upon. (not saying its right, just being realistic). trying to make one side look like the victim of it is ridiculous when it appears that both sides already agreed upon consent by cuddling with eachother.
13:40 this kinda baffles me, so her friend noticed in the moment but what?? didn’t wanna embarrass george??💀💀he’s a fucking minecraft youtuber, he’s not diddy, i don’t understand why they couldn’t just call him out in the moment, and to be clear this isn’t in his defence, it’s scrutiny of her friends
All this because he did not call her back 😂
He should stop bending over acting like shes telling the truth when hes the actual victim
She's the only one who committed 2 crimes, defamation and underage drinking, nobody did that for her.
George is innocent, committed 0 crimes, is an actual victim
People who are drunk can't consent, because one did something wrong doesn't mean the other isn't wrong. They're both bad in that situation.
Say it to the ones in the back
@@Vyvelaeryynconsent to what? someone touching your belly? Thats his "big crime"?
@@Vyvelaeryynit still depends, they didn't even do anything really sexual, just cuddling
George doesn't want to get canceled he is too scared and some of girls acquaintance whom he has are starting to stay away from him. This is huge pressure on his social life. His social life is almost over he will be forever branded as a creep even though he is innocent. He is doing damage control get to his good side
She has such a good memory for someone who would be too drunk to remember💀🌚
I'm trying to think about this logically, and the biggest question on my mind is "where are the friends in this situation? What are their statements?"
I think it's crazy that law and society says you can't consent while drunk, but you can be charged with crimes while drunk lmao
The law is more complex than that, you have to met a certain alcohol limit for consent, and there are doctrines which take affect depending on a whole bunch of shit. Moreover, you can be found innocent while being on substances even if you committed a crime, such as that woman who got off with only 100 hours of communities service after killing the dude she was smoking weed with. But morally it’s weird to take advantage of someone while drunk, and the reason they punish people for commit crimes while drunk is because they don’t want it to be an excuse to get out of committing crimes. In one case something is being done to you, while in the other you are doing something to another person.
thats a...really interesting take
@@mina973 he has a point
If I crash my car into an orphanage because I was drunk should not go to jail?
@@nerd7834 agreed
Never in my life have i had to give virbal consent for the stages of making out. If you dont want to cuddle say no. You have to learn how to say no. Because participation in the act is a yes.
Also
18 YEAR OLD WOMEN ARE ADULTS. IN THE SAME WAY THAT 26 YEAR OLD MEN ARE ADULTS. YOURE BOTH ADULTS.
Freshly 18 is not a thing. HES NOR CREEPY FOR GOING AFTER AN 18 YEAR OLD ADULT.
Treating 18 year old women like children is misogynistic af!
Guys.. I think she was drunk
She is not responsible because she was drunk, but he is, is insane to me. These people are hurting real SA victims. Making it harder to be heard, and as a survivor, I hate them and the damage they are doing! Oh and 18 is an ADULT! Stop redefining what SA IS! Stop using it as a club to go after someone.
I still don't understand how their main argument is "BRO IS OLDER WTF THAT'S DISGUSTING" when there's people in college fucking single moms with kids close to their age ... What?
"You're a grown adult" so is she 💀
Now that you think about it, Elon has a point about running Twitter into the ground until it becomes unusable.
But think, where would all of these people go? Twitter is necessary to contain all these idiots in one place. Just like Tumblr was before they banned corn.
A never ending battle of "I was drunk" vs "he was drunk". Also if your friend left you alone with some drunk guys you barely knows, it's a good sign to gtfo there, darling. You need people who you can trust to be around you, at this kind of situations. But then again, they did provide and let you drink fully knowing you're underage, so it is quite clear that the root of this problem goes way back.
Her fake crying in the first video is all i need to see to be on his side in this bs.
I dont know what world an 18 year old lives in, but going up to a dudes room and getting drunk, in a court room is pretty much nonverbalized consent. You wouldnt go to such a place unless thats your intention. Usually at these events, its a gang bang. Youd never win such a case if sex actually happened. but the fact he didnt is proof enough why she needs to pull the emotional strings of strangers for support.
Okay we heard from her and gnf, and honestly I’m inclined to say this is nothing burger. And I’m leaning towards gnf being more honest about this. Also she is trying to lay it on very thick that’s she’s so vulnerable and non of texts between them line up with that.
So she admits to illegally drinking when she wasn’t 21. To sneaking into the 21 only party. She lied about who sent a certain text message. She keeps pretending like she was a child when in reality she was 18 which is a legal adult. Finally she exaggerated the situation repeatedly and left out important details. Can’t trust her
Worst part is she is trying to blame everyone else because they are expected to know she's 18? Bitch, how can you expect people to be a party pooper and police your drinking if the only person that should be controlling this is yourself.
She keeps saying she's getting 'victim blamed' when the problem is that she refuses to accept responsibility for lying about her age, expecting others to magically read her instagram bio (Even though nobody probably did), engaged in cuddling by reciprocating it, and then saying she didn't 'verbally consent' after consulting her friends about the whole thing.
this drama just proves just how many big faces in the minecraft twitter community have never had sex nor has ever seen sex in an actual context
My question is who tf are her friends? They sound like terrible people
Man this shit's just depressing, strange year this one, hopefully things lighten up
I hate that nowadays, there isnt a bad experience anymore, its always assault, also he was drunk aswell..
The internet tries acting so serious that it looks unserious.
Fr!
From this experience, she needs to ask herself "in what ways am I responsible for this situation" and " what does the responses or lack thereof say about my friends if things played out the way I believe." Ultimately, I'm not saying anything untoward happened, but she facilitated the probability by not explicitly rejecting his affections and by participating in activities, ie, drinking, especially with older people, before she is both legal and educated. It's not victim shaming, it's accountability. George definitely has lessons from this too, chiefly, the dangers of implicit consent, which is nebulous at best and at worst, can be retracted at any time and completely change narratives. Nevertheless, him being older and more responsible doesn't absolve her of all agency. I hope she is now making smarter decisions and assesing her entourage, who if she was mistreated, fostered an environment for it to happen and waited until the following day to comfort her.
Apparently these days, women aren't held responsible for anything period.
This is so stupid. I never pay attention to these allegations until I see some legal action.
Isn't that you know hard to do? Correct me if I'm wrong please
@@mintyglitch9304not really they were both drunk she was underage HECK she wasn’t even supposed to be there she’s under drinking age why does the drunk and can’t consent thing only apply to her 😭
@@thusluxx1358 idk that's what I'm asking myself
@mintyglitch9304 Yes, but it shows some level of seriousness and professionalism. If you think you have some dipshit pinned with something horrible, then I wanna see that person go down. Put your money where your mouth is and get this sicko out of the streets, not this gallivanting bullshit on Twitter. If not, then I cease to care about your problem. Most of the time, with these allegations, there is just a lack of prudence on one party's part, and instead of chopping it up to a bad time, it's this bigger thing that must involve everyone who truly don't care after a week, and in the long run, never cared at all.
@@mintyglitch9304 it’s a long and tedious process, although that doesn’t inherently make it hard. If she truly is the victim and has the proof, she claims she has then she can win pretty easily
Just asking for clarification but is this “touching” she’s talking about his hands on her waist or am I missing something?
according to these wannabe saul goodman's on twiiter, yes.
Pretty much. Lot of cuddling, tickling and the hands thing. Thats it really. I think turky tom sums it up best she did something for first time regrets that thing and now playing victim over it
It’s only on her waist
This whole Situation and others like it, is like a wolf preaching to sheep Again and again.
25:35 Kavos Statement at the end summarizes the entire situation perfectly.
she says "THE INTERNET IS CRUEL" proceeds to post online about the "allegation".
My favorite part is when she makes a claim and then says she doesn't need to prove it when people don't immediately believe her.
tldr woman makes drunk cuddling night into bigger deal because IM A VICTIM
1 view?? you fell off
two views? He fell off.
three views? He fell off.
Four views?? He fell off
11k views? He fell off
40k views? He fell off
On today's episode of things that should of been settled in court and not Twitter:
I’m sorry but do her friends also not deserve to be held accountable as well? Bringing someone below the legal drinking age in an environment with alcohol and allowing them to drink ☠️
why are women unable to just admit they REGRET something. why must regretful intimate experiences be turned into a widely publicized assault case rather than a learning experience/opportunity to grow?
Most women do, just not the clout chasers.
Because, being a victim is cool now. Social media has evolved to whoever has the best SA/Victim story gets clout and appraisals. False allegations can ruin the lives of the accused but almost never does anything negative to the false accuser because the judicial system is soft on 'victims' (Even if they admit they were lying).
Those Dms between her and George read like DMs between me and someone I know where we are constantly telling each other to die and we banter about all this same kind of shit.... These DMs IMO are not inflammatory at all.
Also: Exactly WHERE did he touch her that was so incredibly sexual?? I only ask because I have been molested when drunk by someone with more power than me, MANY times in my life, and I have heard that he slid his hand under her shirt and onto her abdomen.... But she is making it seem like he had his hand down her pants or up under her bra.... I am very perplexed by all of this. If she is so adamant that she was assaulted sexually then she is still within the statute of limitations to charge him as it only happened last year....Just saying... Lay charges against him.
Ikr if she has a strong case against him just charge the dude on court
It sounds like she was wearing a crop top and he touched her mid drift or waist. Crop tops aren't super form fitting so I see him touching her waist and she implies it's under her shirt because of that.
She’s coming out during a time of drama, she is literally capitalizing on another big situation. This is exactly why this isn’t something she wants to go to court over, and in my honest opinion, sort of gives me the vibe that she is in fact lying. don’t call someone out on Twitter and continuously go back-and-forth. Get your legal team ready and go to court if she actually wanted to make a statement she could’ve vaguely said sort of the same thing about how such and such statement gave her the courage to come out. Yet she could’ve kept it very vague, and hinted at legal action. Then if it started to progress very well She could slowly start revealing more details.
Can U do Twitter vs Nickelodeon Next with people's reactions to Quiet on Set?
So basically he didn't rape her and he didn't beat her and she was 18 when they met. WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? She needs better friends and own up for her actions.
Why does she keep bringing up her age compared to his? As if he is in his 40's, or something. There's less then a 10 year difference. He's still a young man.
She wants to be treated as an infant, while also having all the privileges of an adult. If you're an 'adult child', or 'young teenager', or 'too immature', don't drink. I'm not totally exonerating him for misreading things, or perhaps pushing things too far, but any excuse she comes up with for not saying "No" is just that; an excuse.
Also she couldn't have kept this private and messaged him and kept this on the Down-low? It really does seem like she's just dragging a dude for some extra attention.
18 is a legal adult, if a 70 year old wants to date her, its weird but they're still adults nonetheless
@@victormurori4367In that case I'd be more worried for the 70 year old, ngl. The 18 y.o. could be just after any inheritance
@@victormurori436770 and 18 is definitely weird. But 26 and 18? That's blowing things massively out of proportion.
i do so much detest the whole - "Im adult enough to drink and get drunk, party with older adults!" which, no obviously she illegally was drinking - but then "But actually Im not able to make informed consent choices about partying because Im new to it."
Also it's very stupid for these creators to invite randos to their parties and get so drunk shit like this happens. I'm sure she regrets how things happened and felt weird, he definitely should've not done that but if they were both so wasted at the time can either make approriate choices? Why spend all night spooning with him and repeatedly going back to it if you felt so uncomfortable and unsure? If everyone saw why did noone do anything or say anything? Even if you go by the logic of her freezing up surely someone else in the room should've said or done something.
@@toolatetothestoryIts common in my country, you will find very young women with much older men, obviously after their inheritance
See ppl, this is why you don’t drink at 18. This shit.
It’s greatly gross how she keeps repeating “she was asking for it” which no one has said. Like blaming us for what happened. LOOK WHAT YOU DID TO MEEEE
I'd add something. Don't get drunk around people you don't know
I think its fake. If actual SA happened, she would have gone to the police. Taken him to court.
Since she hasn't mentioned doing so, nor plans to, I think she just doesn't want her lie to be uncovered.
Also given that lack of proof posted on her end, I doubt she has much.
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To put simply, two adult got drunk. Uncomfortable non-sexual touching happened (or not given the other perspective of her being quite happy, notably being explicitly mentioned by Dream), and her terrible friends failing to notice her discomfort and leaving her alone in that room.
Secondly, her adult friends letting her drink means a crime was in fact committed on day one. Again, terrible friends.
Thirdly, this was apparently prompted by her friends, both in how she feels and her coming out now, which is a common through line in false SA accusations. (Real SA filings tend to be reported without someone motivating the action).
You want to get something to happen in regards to a crime, file a report to the police and say you wish to press charges. Or a lawyer if the police scare you. If you just want clout and attention, post it on the internet.
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I'm rather sick of people just believing anything "victims" say on the internet. Twitter isn't where crimes are prosecuted, and court of law is.
I do hope that George just sues her for defamation, if only to get the matter into any court at all rather then twitter.
It’s really bugging me that people are saying “He literally admitted to touching her, and she was a drunk 18 years old” like she was legal able to drink. Like that’s not a “maybe” crime, or context needing to be applied to it. Anyone who knew her age and still gave her alcohol is directly responsible for the situation. Like it’s incredibly dishonest to sit there and condemn George for his age(because apparently two legal adults can’t flirt with each other) 26, and not ask why an underage girl was allowed in the hangout. If you go to a club or bar, you don’t think “oh crap maybe she’s 20 instead of 21” no, you assume ever one is legal. You don’t get t, she wants to go to the party, she wants to have fun, she wants to illegally drink, she wants to sit next to him but she doesn’t wanna get up?
Sooo underage drinking, NO ACCOUNTABILITY, and now sympathy baiting...sounds about right. She got butt hurt because she thought that he was gonna take intrest in her but it fizzled out....now she wants to use this interaction to attack his character. Naive yound ADULT... she isnt a child. The fact she is partaking in ADULT activities but wants to pander and say she is still a kid is wild
People seem to forget innocent till proven guilty or the boy who cried wolf story
My response to her post is, "Why were you there?" Why was she at the bar, despite being under 21? Why are people not calling her out of this?
Reminds me of the "jake was drunk josie was drunk" poster
Seriously, why does 18 matter. I've always only been into older guys. Usually, women are just quicker to mature. "Boys" my age are simply too immature. I have never been interrested in anything under 25..
not at 22. not at 18.
I would be mad if someone took away my autonomy. My right to decide. Cause guess what, im an adult. My choice is my right.
If i want to flirt and cuddle with someone 8 years older than me, i should be able to without anyone shaming me or them.
This girl doesnt realize that when you play that game you discredit yourself and other women.
Women before us have fought so hard for that freedom and autonomy. That comes with a condition. The condition of responsibility.
Either you are adult and free to make your own choices and thus responsible for your actions or you are not responsible and too young and thus not allowed the benefits of adulthood.
It isnt pick and choose. Its either or. Either you want to play the adult game or not. But dont blame anyone else for getting burned. Your "trauma" or "uncomfortabillity" is not anyones responsibility.
Consent cant be revoked suddenly actually. Not even in a legal sense. Even in legal agreements consent is only revoked on breach or if given on false premise.
Its fair to have regret, but that regret is yours to bare. We have got to reemember that even according to herself this was not forced. This wasnt even a sexual act! Cuddling and touching someones stomach is not a sexual act.
We have got to stop calling out people for interacting with 18 yos.
Let women decide for themselves.
She put herself there. She engaged in drinking
She chose to cuddle. Lets stop pretending youre braindead when drunk. You are still responsible for actions while drunk. Youre responsible for every crime while drunk as well.
In fact the only way you can negate responsibility is either if youre are unconsious or clinically insane. Which she wasnt according to every version of this story.
well spoken
Incredibly well spoken, indeed.
“I dont want to let this define me” and “I don’t want to only be known for this” welp you shot yourself in the foot with that one
i find it weird how she kept saying that she didn't mind it and felt lucky but then all of a sudden, she isn't okay with it? this was a year later btw ! i honestly think she just wants to hop on the train of "exposing big creators" as most label it now. It's her friends fault for sneaking her into a place with alcohol and then proceeding to give her alcohol.. what was she expecting to happen??