@@murphymmc Yeah, after I wrote this I though of a better food items, a BLT with double the lettuce and bacon as normal. For that extra scare, to drive in the point.
When the deathworlders reject you as too violent … it might be time to check your initial assumptions. Besides, hippopotamus are herbivores, and hardly nonviolent.
Funny thing is herbivores will eat meat if it presented itself. There are cases of cows and such eating chicks. I even saw one video of a cow eating a snake
We should have pointed out that even our "Obligate Herbivores" are actually Opportunistic Omnivores and have no issue with eating other animals when hungry.
@rumigraciea8216 the amount of obligate carnivores or herbivores known to us can be counted on one hand. Considering there are are millions, if not billions, of different species on this planet, that's saying something.
@@rumigraciea8216 Yep. There are trail cams of deer eating the bones of other animals because that's where they can get some of the trace minerals they miss or can't get enough of just from plants. And I'm sure that many herbivores are also insectivores just because they aren't trying to avoid them while they eat...bugs have a lot of protein and such, too.
When most people think about herbivores, they tend to think about our domesticated livestock. But herbivores tend to be more violent and dominating than carnivores.
Herbivore does not equal peaceful. Carnivore and/or omnivore does not equal violent. What are some of the most dangerous animals in North America? Moose, Elk and Bison, all herbivores.
In fact, I would go so far as to say herbivores tend to have the most violent species. Anything that deals with a predator and has any measure of fight response will act with extreme aggression far and above what the most aggressive predators display. Whether we talk about wolverines or african buffalo, these creatures are exceedingly violent because of their fight response to potential predators - not because they do or do not eat other creatures. A large predator generally isn't going to mess with another animal unless it is really hungry or near its home and/or kids. A large herbivore might just kill you because it is in heat that day and you exist on the same continent.
@@TJCID22thanks. Now I have images of tiny bugs hunting people with their proboscis, each equipped with a Batman utility belt filled with a fine selection of bio weapon reloads. Pretty much what they do already, I guess.
Love it ❤️ Also very realistic, when you know anything about wild and tamed animal reactions and way. Herd specie are VERY dangerous. And pretty callous and ruthless. Great ending twist, who play well with the trope and false idea of most people 👌
The forward-facing eyes thing is a big trope in HFY, but there's a lot of misconceptions about it. Our ancestors evolved forward-facing eyes 50 to 60 million years ago, but we only started eating meat about 2.5 million years ago. We evolved forward-facing eyes because we evolved from tree-dwelling creatures that needed to be able to accurately judge the distance to the next branch they were about to jump to. Now, it might be possible that the fact that we already had forward facing eyes made it easier for us to become predators, but that's a question for someone more educated than me in evolutionary biology.
Aggro - I believe you narrated a story about humans and their "oath of devotion" and how the narrator wished that humans would stop putting links to their oath of devotion EVERYWHERE. All I can find on r/hfy is a comment about the story. Do you (or anyone here) know the name or author of that story?
The main problem with this 'fear of humans as predators' trope is that aside from forward facing eyes, we lack the appearance of a predator. Even obligate herbivore*-based civilisations would understand that insectivores, and smaller omnivores, and even small predators were essential to maintain their ecosystems. * Few Earth animals are obligate herbivores, most will happily munch down free protein when possible. Also, how did these herbivorous civilisation arise in the first place? What gave them the impetus to become more intelligent, without meat to provide more fuel for bigger brains?
Living in cities must not mean being crammed into molochs of cities like New York, Kairo, Hongkong or Megacity One. Cities can actually be quite awesome places to live, containing lots of nature themselfes. Also, 'machine provides foot' must not mean that all the food has to be artificial - it can simply mean that machines take care of hydroponic farms where fresh crops, fruit etc. are being grown and for protein there could be aquacultures of fish, for instance. Also, although a lot of people paint a quite horrific picture of this idea, but if done the right way, I'd most likely have no problems with artificially grown meat.
@@Furzkampfbomber I'm thinking more on the line of artificially grown meat on genetically modified animals with no active sentience. Think of brainless livestock with otherwise fully functional metabolism harvested on automated meat farms. True "vegan meat" if you think about it (vegan as in free from animal cruelty)
Considering that humanity's favorite pets are descended from predators, I can see the reactions if people saw the aliens kill our dogs and cats.
That would be when we would break out the Geneva checklist. With prejudice. No one touches the fluffies!
They're killing the dogs, they're killing the cats. Killed the cat, k-killed the cat!
Absolutely loved the twist at the end.
When Ambassador Rince returned to answer Tim request for a second meeting, he should have entered the room eating an apple.
Grilled Rib-eye steak.
@@murphymmc Yeah, after I wrote this I though of a better food items, a BLT with double the lettuce and bacon as normal. For that extra scare, to drive in the point.
When the deathworlders reject you as too violent … it might be time to check your initial assumptions. Besides, hippopotamus are herbivores, and hardly nonviolent.
Funny thing is herbivores will eat meat if it presented itself. There are cases of cows and such eating chicks. I even saw one video of a cow eating a snake
We should have pointed out that even our "Obligate Herbivores" are actually Opportunistic Omnivores and have no issue with eating other animals when hungry.
@rumigraciea8216 the amount of obligate carnivores or herbivores known to us can be counted on one hand. Considering there are are millions, if not billions, of different species on this planet, that's saying something.
@@rumigraciea8216 Yep. There are trail cams of deer eating the bones of other animals because that's where they can get some of the trace minerals they miss or can't get enough of just from plants. And I'm sure that many herbivores are also insectivores just because they aren't trying to avoid them while they eat...bugs have a lot of protein and such, too.
When most people think about herbivores, they tend to think about our domesticated livestock. But herbivores tend to be more violent and dominating than carnivores.
"You may call me TIM" hahahaha Monty python rules!!
M. Night could learn from this guy. What a twist!
I do love the timing involved. Waited until the herbavores could accept an ominvore... and then told them they don't measure up.
Herbivore does not equal peaceful. Carnivore and/or omnivore does not equal violent. What are some of the most dangerous animals in North America? Moose, Elk and Bison, all herbivores.
In fact, I would go so far as to say herbivores tend to have the most violent species. Anything that deals with a predator and has any measure of fight response will act with extreme aggression far and above what the most aggressive predators display.
Whether we talk about wolverines or african buffalo, these creatures are exceedingly violent because of their fight response to potential predators - not because they do or do not eat other creatures. A large predator generally isn't going to mess with another animal unless it is really hungry or near its home and/or kids. A large herbivore might just kill you because it is in heat that day and you exist on the same continent.
In Africa Hippo's kill far more people than Lions every year.
Hippos kill more humans than any other animal (not counting mosquitoes and such).
@@TJCID22 Actually that's right.
@@TJCID22thanks.
Now I have images of tiny bugs hunting people with their proboscis, each equipped with a Batman utility belt filled with a fine selection of bio weapon reloads.
Pretty much what they do already, I guess.
Love it ❤️
Also very realistic, when you know anything about wild and tamed animal reactions and way.
Herd specie are VERY dangerous. And pretty callous and ruthless. Great ending twist, who play well with the trope and false idea of most people 👌
The Nature of Predators called. But still liked the prompt.
It has come to our attention, that you eradicated Fido... and Hobbes. We need to square this circle, before venture forth into this cultural exchange.
For the DV! For the Math Homework! For Boomer! With energy! And thank you for another fine video! They are always good!
The forward-facing eyes thing is a big trope in HFY, but there's a lot of misconceptions about it.
Our ancestors evolved forward-facing eyes 50 to 60 million years ago, but we only started eating meat about 2.5 million years ago. We evolved forward-facing eyes because we evolved from tree-dwelling creatures that needed to be able to accurately judge the distance to the next branch they were about to jump to.
Now, it might be possible that the fact that we already had forward facing eyes made it easier for us to become predators, but that's a question for someone more educated than me in evolutionary biology.
That's irrelevant to the instinctual reaction of prey animals. Just look at butterflies with "eyes" on their wings.
@@Ackalan I don't think that applies to an advanced, intelligent species that understands science and evolution.
@@Mark73 Instinct trump both logic and reason because it's a survival mechanism.
Brilliant twist
They killed their dogs?! Lucky all we did was shun them.
So many stellaris stories...
I miss when aliens were creative and original... not just a different form of terrestrial anthromorphic animal.
Herbivores are also opportunistic carnivores.
Loved it!
I'd just like to point out that aligators, crocodiles, sharks ect... don't have forward facing eyes.
They kill the furbabies? I wonder what these bastards taste like grilled or barbecued.
Aggro - I believe you narrated a story about humans and their "oath of devotion" and how the narrator wished that humans would stop putting links to their oath of devotion EVERYWHERE. All I can find on r/hfy is a comment about the story. Do you (or anyone here) know the name or author of that story?
Genocidal herbivores anywhere near my fur babies would NOT be a good idea.
The main problem with this 'fear of humans as predators' trope is that aside from forward facing eyes, we lack the appearance of a predator. Even obligate herbivore*-based civilisations would understand that insectivores, and smaller omnivores, and even small predators were essential to maintain their ecosystems.
* Few Earth animals are obligate herbivores, most will happily munch down free protein when possible.
Also, how did these herbivorous civilisation arise in the first place? What gave them the impetus to become more intelligent, without meat to provide more fuel for bigger brains?
Not a very pleasant hypothetical future for us. Cooped up in cities, eating artificial food. Horrible.
Living in cities must not mean being crammed into molochs of cities like New York, Kairo, Hongkong or Megacity One. Cities can actually be quite awesome places to live, containing lots of nature themselfes.
Also, 'machine provides foot' must not mean that all the food has to be artificial - it can simply mean that machines take care of hydroponic farms where fresh crops, fruit etc. are being grown and for protein there could be aquacultures of fish, for instance. Also, although a lot of people paint a quite horrific picture of this idea, but if done the right way, I'd most likely have no problems with artificially grown meat.
@@Furzkampfbomber I'm thinking more on the line of artificially grown meat on genetically modified animals with no active sentience.
Think of brainless livestock with otherwise fully functional metabolism harvested on automated meat farms. True "vegan meat" if you think about it (vegan as in free from animal cruelty)
Humans tofu eaters?
Nah lab grown meat (synthesized), if i got the jest of it.
"The same grotesk shapes only now made by machines."
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What is with all of the silly stories in the last days of 2024?
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