CORRECTION: Our South Korean friend’s name is spelled “Jeong-Bae”, not “Jong-Bae”. Special thanks to Jeong-Bae and Pil-Ju for participating in this Hot Take. Both are good friends of ours and any disrespectful comments towards them will be deleted. The opinions expressed in this video are those of individual interviewees alone and do not reflect the views of ASIAN BOSS or the general North or South Korean population. What's your take on the issue of reunification? Discuss.
If there is a peace treaty then wouldn't you think there will be LESS tax money going into defense spending especially for South Korea? Wouldn't there be MORE money left over for rebuilding, job-creation and investment efforts? Maybe people in their 20's and 30's need to see the bigger picture.
i think it will happen. I think also your missing the economic point of how other countries will act. If the dictator is removed. I'd wager the US and others would be eager to provide some economic assistance which might help Korea through this coming transition.
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Would West vs East Germany reunification not cater as a good case study for NK vs SK. Use what works and adjust at what might be problematic. Yes there are three main pillars - economical, political and cultural.
Every video I see Pil-Ju in, I just get more and more surprised. Not only has he been through such a huge ordeal (his entire story of defecting from North Korea was just so moving), but he's so articulate in his thoughts and so intelligent without being condescending. What a guy, man.
He is kinda cute and handsome 2 xd just sayin ^^ (but honestly the way he express himself is just so gentle and intelligent i really enjoy listening to what he has to say)
I totally agree with you, but I do think he was a little condescending at the beginning with the pitiful statements like “what a shame”, telling the other guy that he’s not able to see the bigger picture.
I think we should also commend the two speakers featured in this video. Both of them made really sound arguments. This is such an insightful and informative discussion.
@@_Wai_Wai_ I worked as head of photography for TedXBasel and the only thing you have to pay for a 5min Ted-Talk are the entry fees for a couple of dollars
I really appreciate how civil and respectful the debate is and they do not interrupt each other. They seem to be able to voice disagreements with a lot of tact. Further, what the defector had to say about being accepted as a member of the family and feasting (in South Korea) was really strong and heart-penetrating. He seems to possess very deep insights.
Pil-ju has had to endure so much. It’s hard to believe someone can go through all of that and come out smiling. He’s incredibly strong, I respect him for that.
THIS! What Asian Boss is doing is exemplary! This is the kind of journalism and media information that I yearn for. Its VERY educative, informative, professional, clean, and to-the-point about the topic being discussed. The best part of it all is that it strives to be objective and tries its best to not be too biased in a certain direction. THIS HERE is what the US media corps should aspire to be. As it stands, the US mainstream media is a bunch of hogwash, story-spinning, and partisan mudflinging. What you guys are doing here is (IMO) a closer form of "true journalism" and something that generations of people should tune into to find out more about certain aspects of Asia. I hope everyone in Asian Boss continues to see big success and I hope to see you one day reach into more mediums of media - magazines, prints, a little segment on tv, etc.
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There's already an established term for this - it's *investigative reporting.* In a nutshell, it's reporting with the scientific method in mind, as opposed to having a story (conclusion) in mind and then seeking evidence for it.
I saw criticism toward Mr.Jeong Bae but I think he's just like us in the West, comfortable and slightly egoistic but still having hard time to live decently (comfortable=/= decent), I'm thankful he didn't hide any of his thoughts, knowing that he was going to be corrected, he did put everything on the table to have a bigger sight of the situation and be a more knowledged person. His attitude was fantastic. I find him very wise and intelligent. Exposing your flaws to get them corrected like he did isn't easy. Bravo. On the other hand, I too have a lot to learn from Kim PilJu. I was drawn by each of his explanations. He has this ability of making people follow his reasoning, he is extremely intense yet calm. I hope he will always stay like this. And Steve... chapeaux bas 👏 , you're the best please do more innovative work like this. Thank you to every single person working on this channel
Jeong Bae's place in this discussion was to present an alternative perspective on the question of reunification . . . so it's okay to disagree with what he said, but it would not be a good, interesting discussion if he was not countering what Pilju was saying with alternative views . . . Asian Boss is presenting some fabulous material on all these issues!
I believe he thinks like most South Koreans, the two Koreas have been separate for decades, they don't think of Korea as one. I feel like it sounds nice to all of us that North Korea could be free of a dictator and they could integrate, but those are two completely different countries. for example, I couldn't imagine if someone proposed for Colombia and Venezuela to integrate and create one country, us Colombians would not agree, it would most definitely not be a fair agreement.
@@lobstereddy7303 You don't think that the US would be interested in giving financial aid if it meant ensuring the removal of what they see as an enemy state? I think they would help with some of the cost. They helped build the South Korean economy after the countries split to prevent South Korea from being recaptured and I could definitely see Trump wanting to make a speech where under his leadership the US was able to peacefully reunify North and South Korea.
@@iFkNxLegend It would be beneficial for the US to go with that path. However, they will have potential political drawbacks from it since they are intentionally involving themselves in other countries' affairs.
iFkNxLegend US aid usually comes at too high a price. Best for Korean to sort this out for themselves. China, Japan the US, Russia. Foreign meddling has caused most of Koreans problems. They can sort this out. The important thing is to have a plan. Careful development of the north not exploitation by anyone and avoiding a rush of people going south and destabilisation.
There is a Turkish poet in my country named Nazım Hikmet he says a similar saying " A person must plant an olive tree(which really gros slowly) even when he is 70 years old."
There is also an old powerful saying out there. Hard time create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.
Many, many years ago UA-cam had a complex ranking system in which this video would have had listed below it things such as #1 on Korean - Talk Show #12 on Trending for Talk Show #3 on Top Views for (area) during (date of day or week)
I honestly think this deserves a pulitzer prize for journalism. Even though this isn't a news site that reports on individual events, it spreads information and communication that is vital to understanding eachother and helps to bridge major gaps in people and bring them together.
Couldnt agree more! In this world of biasis and filter bubbles, finally someones who do something to turn the TIDE of divisiveness, suspicion, halftrues and lies!
The North Korean brother is very clever and had many things in his heart that he wanted to express. I like the part when he said that there is not point in disusing the economical benefit that the unification will bring if the authorities dont prepare the population do address the social issue that comes with the unification.
Francisco Javier Crespo Taiwan is stronger than china and taiwan is number 1 in almost everything. They could be the best at everything but they got tired of winning all the time and decided to not be the best in every category.
lol tell me ANY category/aspect Taiwan is stronger than mainland china. You really underestimate China and overestimate Taiwan. I understand that Taiwan has a strong economy, but not as much as you think.
I find Pil-Ju's recollections and insights on North Korea very fascinating and educational, would love to keep seeing more great content with him involved!
I hope everyone at the Asian Boss studios realised that this is Nobel Prize material right there, this is beautiful, keep up the good work, keep making people talk to each others. Love & Peace ♥
Thank you Asian Boss for doing this interview! Their debate was really good. Pil-Ju was very articulate and rebutted the arguments intelligently and strongly. I feel like Jong-Bae is actually in for reunification but had to take opposition for the sake of argument, so I learned a lot from him too bc there will be people who will oppose and he represented their perspectives well
Well in the beginning he said he just slightly leans against reunification, he didn't say he strongly opposed it. It is like comparing someone that is center right, to someone that is a right wing extremist.
Journalism at its finest. Congratulations on this amazing piece. Both sides had heartfelt and thoughtful insights. Goodluck and blessings to you both. Well done Asian Boss. Your best video to date. Keep them coming. X
This was one of the most fair and well developed debates I have ever heard and gave me so many points for either side I had never even considered. Thank you to both men and the awesome mediator for making this discussion public!
This was really amazing. I wish this video was longer. Every day you hear lies and disinformation on the news and you're not sure what to believe. So it's great to hear from the people who are in the center of the things. And as the gentlemen are saying it was refreshing and exciting to have that conversation, it was refreshing and exciting for me to watch and listen to them. Thank you so much :)
both sides articulated their thoughts well. but i particularly appreciated the insights that the north korean guy shared. i totally agree that people need to focus on the bigger picture. admittedly this can be hard to do, particularly with the way polticians operate nowadays. they seem to be so focussed on their prospects for reelection that they do not have the stomach for anything that would make their constituents uncomfortable, even if it’s a short term sacrifice for a long term benefit. reunification would likely take a generation to settle, which seems like a long time. but in the context of a country’s history, it is just a blink of an eye.
As a financial point of view, reunification is a very unattractive investment as the majority of people are against the idea and will likely to turn out to be a failure unlike the case for Germany. Also, if the reunification happens under the current government, it will be very likely that Korea will emerge as a socialist country as the current president (Puppet Moon) believes that North Koreans should be taking over half of the seats in the congress. Since the new puppet has been elected, a lot of Koreans have been moving to the US, Japan and other countries to find a better life. If reunification happens, more people would leave the country and Korea would be left with leftwing socialists and communist who will be oppressing the conservatives. In fact, the current president came up with the idea called 고려연방제 and it basically states that North Korean politicians will have half of their seats in the congress. Already in South Korea, 50% of the politicians are pro-North Korea so it would become a disaster. I can pretty much see that Korea will end up like Brazil or even Venezuela.
Taeho Kim for reunification to be successful, they would definitely need a leadership that has vision. i don’t know enough about south korean politics to comment on the current government. if the south decided that reunification isn’t in it’s best interests, the most likely alternative would be that north korea remains a separate state. however, i would not be surprised if the north were to become quite prosperous with investment from other countries, particularly china with whom they share a border, ready for trade. prosperity would be even more likely if the rumours of mineral resources are true. the south could end up becoming quite isolated.
"however, i would not be surprised if the north were to become quite prosperous with investment from other countries, particularly china with whom they share a border, ready for trade" Have you not follow world news regarding NK? It would've been the case if they were under the radar but ever since their nuclear program, most of the sanctions against NK are within the past 5 years. Sure there's still NK trade partners that aren't in the UN but really, where's the positivity coming from when NK is under so much scrutiny just in the past 5 years alone? "prosperity would be even more likely if the rumours of mineral resources are true." Even if that's true, prosperity is relative. Whose propsperity? The Kim regime, undoubedtly. The ordinary citizens like the many that defected to SK? I highly doubt that. The idea that because NK has natural resources means that NK would prosper is just bizarre. The resources are always there (if the rumor is true, which it likely is). It just doesn't rain resources out of nowhere. Yet for the past 60-70 years of NK history, what happened to that prosperity?
Panda i am well aware of the current sanctions that have been imposed on the north. what you appear to be unaware of is that it is implicit within this conversation that we are talking about a scenario where the north is opened up. reunification would not even be an option unless that were to occur first. in this scenario, the sanctions would be lifted as they would have fulfilled their purpose. due to their geography, north korea would then be in a prime position to trade with china and also facilitate trade between china and south korea. they would also be much better positioned to leverage their natural resources within the regional/global economy.
orsonsadler I guess I missed that assumption about NK opened up first. Then again, you're under the impression that China isn't already trading with NK. China was and still is NK primary trade partner. Sanctions or not, NK GDP growth has been quite consistents for over more than a decade. It's hard to believe NK would suddenly become prosperous after the sanctions are lifted when there's no indication of such thing prior to sanctions in the mid-2000s. By your definition of opened up, NK would need to have a free market economy that allows businesses to operate by anyone in the country, not by people chosen by the government (that runs by a single political party which means the government owns the businesses)....history would laugh at the idea that a dictator is going to allow power slipping away from their control. So long as the current form of NK government exists, there can't be propsperity to the NK people (aside the ones that are repeatedly shown on propaganda videos praising the great leader of NK).
It was way easier to unite Germany in the 1990s, because they then had a reasonable big living generation that still remembered the united Germany before 1945. Now some old koreans at best remember when they was a part of Japan before 1945.
East germany's economy was three times smaller than that of west germany during reunification. But today, north korean economy is about twenty two times smaller than south korea's, so not the same thing
I really love kim pil ju, I've watched all his video, he's so smart and calm, but if he escaped from NK when he is 17 live in china 4 years and have been live in SK 12 years that's mean he is around 33 yo now?!? He looks so young
@@CROAiva no, at 12 he's still living with her mother, moved several times and lived with his stepfather for 4-5 years so I think they attempted to escape starting around 17
@@arshiyaagarwal5697 college student doesn't need age requirement, you know. Especially since he dropped school when he's still in North Korea. He might had to undergo a lot of educations needed alone to be accepted as south korean citizen, so it might be understandable if he starts attending college much later than average people.
Fantastic video about a very powerfully relevant topic that was intelligently debated and delicately moderated. Breaks my heart this kind of dialogue isn’t undertaken across more cultures and disagreements.
As a non-Korean, this is one of the issues where I do think that the UN funding should go towards. IF both Koreas decide to reunify, then I think it would be totally reasonable for the UN to provide financial support, so as to not let the reunification be a too heavy economic burden for South Korea. The UN is already funding humanitarian efforts world-wide, and this could definitely be seen as a humanitarian effort (to relieve the North Korean population of suffering and oppression).
It takes alot of work and time to rebuild what is broken. North Korean are living in the past. It's like technology never touched the land. The work is so much more than humanitarian. They need to rebuild the government, politics and many more. I am not Korean and I am not an expert. I just wanna share what I thought. And I never have any ill intention to hurt anybody. Hope both countries can fix this problem with the help of the world citizens not only South Korean.
May Tyler *True. I’m not korean, but I like to learn about it (I’m not a koreaboo, so don’t worry XD.) I’ve learned a lot since I started listening to their music.*
Each government need to start change from basic back , how to run government back , make a policy and rules that both government will be agree , that rules will be broken if each government has broke , or make Parliament and come straight issue economic , technology and development . Make a move is better than not move at all, you dont get any solution if you not make some effort. First , security both country need to understand each others and make some camp to them understand each other from heart , everyone is same , we need to listen both side and we can solve together. secondly, Government need to have solid future plan to both country, trust me in 5 years north korean can be same like south korean in term economic , Why? because it call a lot investor ,if both country show good sign to the world and no more war. Thirdly, Yup north korean will take at least 15 years to have same level like south korean in terms for education but better move than nothing . Fourthly, Goverment need have solid rule and law , and please always watch people that want create war from both side , it not a lot but this people like to create war so better make a fine or 10 years sentence would be good to teach this people . Rule and law is make for make better people and teach people that behavior is wrong Lastly , My advice , people is human same from both country , this opportunity will change all biodeversity to each counrty if they do like suggest Thanks you for read ,hope we can have world without war , it not benefit your country but others country in term war.
I think it's amazing that you guys were able to give Kim Pil Ju the opportunity to be able to discuss this. I can't imagine how many times he probably wanted to say such things and have a real serious discussion about it. Also I feel like the south korean representative really stated the honest position of how the South Korean's feel at the moment without sugar coating it. I was hoping it was going to be longer but it was a very important discussion. Hopefully more South Korean's watch this video
I want to thank EVERYONE who made this video possible. As an American mother who's daughter will be moving to South Korea soon I am trying to educate myself on every level possible. I appreciate every video that this channel uploads but especially content like this. American's tend to get upset easily over political matters and can forget the human aspect of situations. It was refreshing to see a pure, honest, heartfelt conversation from both sides. Again THANK YOU to all of you at Asian Boss.
ABSOLUTELY LOVED THIS VIDEO!! never have i seen a north and south korean person sit and chat about reunification!! they both brought up great points and i love how each were respectful of the other without getting hot headed!! would love to see more videos like this! keep up the great work guys!
If you looks at Pil Ju's facial and body expressions, he seems annoyed or what that I instantly disliked. BUT I WAS WRONG. He was actually YEARNING for that moment to express his thought on what to do and what he can say. His thoughts are on point, very educational and very helpful insights on current issues in the Korean Pinensula. He is a great guy, he should be an ambassador for reunification, he is very diplomatic in his statements. I can see that he can actually help in the future. You can see how he take notes, you can feel that he was really serious on this matter. He takes everything what that South Korean guy said, and absorb it by writing it on his notes.
I think having experienced such different worlds (a more rounded life experience) he has so much more to bring to the table. Agree Would love to see him take on a leadership role for reunification.
Good observation! In my opinion, it does have meaning. Seems like the guy from South delivering his message as if he is appealing to the host, while the guy from North is trying to persuade him.
That was beautiful. The part where Pil-Ju talked about wanting to leave a better situation for his children and his children's generation was quite moving. For what it's worth, this black dude from DC is down for the reunification. Bless you guys.
Kim Pil-Ju 씨 is an amazing person, you can feel his emotions, kudos to him 👍.... please make a part 2 of this discussion. In my opinion reunification must happen, it will bring economic growth & stability to the country.
Pilju is so eloquent and smart, I am in awe of him, really. Also, I agree with the fact that this issue should be seen in more of a humanitarian or emotional light because these are real people and real families who have been separated for years. Hope the South Korean public becomes more educated on the situation up north and the idea of reunification.
That last part of the interview really made me think. When they were talking about how South Koreans generally don't know anything about North Korea. When I first heard (from other Asian Boss videos I watched yesterday) that there are 31,000 North Koreans in South Korea I was so surprised! How does the world know so little about North Korea if there are so many people that have escaped that we could ask for their stories? I always thought there was no way we could find out more about North Korea because there are like 10 people that have escaped. But there are thousands. These stories need to be shared. But I am really happy to find out that things may be changing in North Korea.
That precisely indicates the mentality of the NKs. This is exactly what is delaying their liberation. Fear / indifference to some extent / lack of initiative... I can understand NKs in NK are brainwashed and haven't developed open mindedness. But 31000 defectors have to help them understand and take lead in liberation of NKs. Expecting SK or rest of the world to "free" them is day dreaming.
This was the most educated, peaceful, passionate debate I have watched in a long time. Both sides stated their concerns and opinions clearly and concisely. Stephen asked important questions to keep the momentum. The SK guy had a very important point when he said if we cant take care of ourselves how can we take care of others. The NK guy had his important point when he asked why do you think South Korea would be doing this alone. I feel the younger generations of North Koreans crave change and that soon there will be an uprising. They arent as browbeaten as older generations.
Pil-ju is so smart and a good speaker. I love him . Keep it up❤❤ Btw Im agree With pil-ju . Ps: that North Korean defector is a legend. He deserves more fame
Agree with both of you! I was already impressed with him from the previous interviews with Asian Boss. But this time he really outdid himself. (12 years of freedom has done him well!) I get the feeling all this impressiveness was always there, but he never had the chance to develop it living in N. Korea. Would like to see more of him speaking. He reminds me of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, actually. Great speakers and similar broad stories (except he would never have a fatwa placed on his life).
Agreed! Saw him first here then found his other interviews and was really moved. He's already making the right steps. Hope he'll live the day when the two Korea would unite.
Both of them have good arguments, and I think most of us non-korean commenters lack the knowledge and intimate feeling to really make insightful comments on this issue. I will say 2 things however: what strikes me is the absence of a shared ideology between North and South Koreans. They are basically 2 very different countries who happen to share a common language. Their shared culture, especially in the North, has been warped by propaganda and animosity for multiple generations. Old people who have relatives on each sides of the border are now reaching the end of their lives, and the younger generation in SK now has virtually no tie to North Korea, except the language. If anything must come to fruition, it will be on the North side, as North Koreans are getting more exposed to how life is in the South through illegally imported dramas and movies. As with East Germany, the North Koreans would have to rebel first in order for a reunification to happen, and this seems highly unlikely because of the repressive nature of the North Korean regime. Secondly, contrary to West Germany who was part of the European community, South Korea isn't part of a broader regional union who would be willing to help for North Korea's development. Japan may fear the preponderance of a united Korea, and China would fear losing a strategic ally in its war of influence against the US. Reunification would only be successful if other countries from the international community would be able to invest with SK to develop the North. In short, in order to one day reunify North and South, we need an overthrow of the system in the North and the liberalization of the economy, we need renewed cultural ties between North and South, and international cooperation. Even then this poses a lot of difficulties, as most North Koreans, given the chance to emigrate and knowing how wealthier the South is, would do so immediately. This process would take at least 30 or 40 years. Having all of these seems impossible, but I am optimistic it will happen in our lifetime.
The system in the North doesn't necessarily need to be overthrown but their policy and economy has to open up. Different political ideologies can coexist, but a closed state cannot survive long.
@@ElaineWangyy I'm a Westerner, so my opinion may be void in this issue, other than to me. But I personally cannot see two political ideologies that are so divergent as N & S Korea coexisting. The whole point of a dictatorship is to keep a hammer over your peoples heads. Am I missing an important point that could make it possible? How can a dictator keep control if the country is open unless his/her plan is to control both countries under his hammer? I do not see a way, at this point in time, where Kim Jong-Un would simply step down. I'm in no way a scholar, so I understand that I'm looking at this through a very far away window, but I'm here to learn.
@@ElaineWangyy This is an edit to my first reply to your comment. I went back and re-read yours and I think I misunderstood you. Perhaps in your last sentence you said, basically, what I meant, just with fewer words. I wasn't intending to attack you, in case it seemed that way. I hope it didn't. :-)
The mentality of SK people has however been shaped by American ideals, just look at them getting worried about the financial problems first. I would like to take my homecountry, Italy, as an example both economically and socially. Historically it had NEVER been unified as a single country so the cultural background is actually pretty different from region to region. Economically the north is way stronger than the South also because of problems with the many mafias formed in the southern part of the country. In the past there were people who believed that Italy should be broken in to two different countries because of the lack of balance between the economies of the two areas (mind you I am from the north) but now opinions and plans have changed to help the South while protecting the Northen economy, if you didn't know Italy is a broke af country with billions of debt, but still people are trying. After all the poorer classes will be always be struggling no matter in which part of the peninsula, and I think so it is for Korea, many times "Asian italy" for the richness in culture and natural attractions.
I would say Korean Unification can work if the Kim Dynasty is overthrown but it would have to be a loose union like the "One Country Two Systems" in China. I know people look at One Country Two Systems in Hong Kong as a failure but that's because its a dictatorship enforcing itself on a democracy while its a lot easier for a democracy to change the values of the dictatorship. Of course their economies and borders will still have to be mostly separated similar to China and Hong Kong. That being said there are a lot of benefits like South Korea has a labor shortage so they can benefit from cheap labor while North Korea lacks white collar workers while South Korea has too many of them who can't find career jobs so many can find jobs for building North Korea. Additionally, South Korean corporations can benefit from North Korean cheap labor by making their products like Samsung phones cheaper while still maintaining their quality making them able to easily outcompete Apple and Huawei.
I'm a foreigner who lives in south-korea. I have friends from both south and north Korea. In my opinion it would be nice to start reunification slowly. First the railway from south to north and permission for everyone to travel between two countries. The second point could be the permission to start business in the other Korea. For example south Korean starts a business in north and employs north Koreans. That would help with the economy problem as north Koreans would also be able to earn money and pay taxes to help. And little by little getting to know the other country and to understand it. After maybe 10-20years it would be easier to reunificate.
Great debate! !it's so refreshing see the point of view of people who are living in the center of the thing!! Both parts introduced good points to analyse !
It would be interesting to see their positions switched, with Pil-Ju doing research and arguing against reunification and Jeong-Bae doing the same to argue for reunification so that they could each get a better understanding of the whole issue. I once saw a reddit post that said "If you can't argue intelligently for both sides of an issue, you don't understand the issue well enough to argue for either"
TBH, people who had commented that the South Koreans youths are selfish should understand the hardships they are going through right now. Many university graduates are unable to find jobs or they are working as part time workers in order to pay their bills. With ever high youth unemployment rate plus pressure to succeed, it is not selfish to be against unification. Please be in their shoes for once. Unable to make enough for yourself and increase chances of you paying even higher taxes in the future, if you were them would you want unification? I do understand the counter argument that is put forth about unification could solve the lack of jobs available. However, jobs that maybe created might not be jobs that the South Korean youths are finding. In addition, the verification of natural resources should be carried out before further discussions about it. If not, it is a paper tiger argument. I have also noted that some have said that South Koreans have failed to see the big picture. But many do not realised that consequences of unification would last over a few generations. Thus it is quite reasonable for South Koreans not being that enthusiastic over unification. There is also countless of people mentioning about them sharing the same culture and language. From what I know, due to the split, there is a gap between their culture and language right now. This would add on to the current social concerns if unification were to happen. Last but not least, it is heartbreaking to hear what North Koreans have to go through. They have as much rights as any human being in the world to be free. However much more pressing issues(e.g. the dictator, nuclear weapons, China's response if unification were to happen) should be addressed before full unification is being carried out. Thoughtless and rash unification out of blind emotions would bring about more cons than pros they have mentioned.
Yes, I do agree there are some benefits to unification. But, alas, there are downsides too. It will be foolish to say there will be benefits ONLY. Unification should be done in a careful and cautious manner. It is silly to rush into unification without taking into consideration of the current context of South Korea's situation. Like some have mentioned "unification" could be ease in slowly by South Korean companies investing in North Korea to tap in alleged natural resources and create jobs for North Koreans. But this can be only done if the dictator have lost its control over the country. If not, this would certainly not happen in the near future at all. Most benefits that have been mentioned are on macro level (excluding the reuniting of separated families) which would take who knows how many years. Majority of the average South Korean youths in this generation would not gain from the unification. Many would say South Koreans are too money focused. It is not their fault. Money cannot solve all problems but it can solve 99% of the problems in this day of capitalism.
@@catch_me_if_you_can6596 No lol are you even SKorean to begin with? Don't say stupid thing like this when you don't know what SKorea had to go through to have this "good Korea".
While South Korean students face first-world problems, it's nothing compared to North Korean citizens starving to the brink of death by millions. I'd rather have entitled South Koreans being upset but can go on in their daily life than North Koreans living in some of the worst conditions in mankind.
I'm from the west, not Asian, so I have very little true knowledge of the issues of N & S Korea, so I'm very thankful I ran across Asian Boss and discovered these videos. I intend to watch all of them as I go. This discussion was just plain beautiful! So fresh and honest and I loved the give and take between Jeong-Bae and Pil-Ju. I loved how the interviewer asked a few questions, but then set back and let the other two just discuss. I learned SO MUCH listening to them and has given my heart a lightness it hasn't been able to find in a while. I am American living in the US and there hasn't been a lot of "lightness" to find here, lately. At age 63, a person doesn't want to live the last third or quarter of their lives feeling like all is lost in this world. It was good to see people speak with each other about differing beliefs without all the hate.
@@catch_me_if_you_can6596 Probably true, but then that's how most people involved would be looking at it simply because the majority of the populations of both countries wouldn't have that education. The fear is there because they would not have the knowledge and there will ALWAYS be politicians that will exploit that fear and under-education to make things go the way that benefits themselves. That happens in every country.
the north korean argument is well made and he knows what he's talking about .. i'm rooting for the reunification and i have no doubts it's for koreans best .. wish you all the best!
Pil-ju is really well-spoken in his beliefs and makes a lot of allegories that kinda resonate with me... while I see the logical fear that SK has, if there is a real opportunity then it needs to be taken ASAP. Here's hoping for peace and unity in the region.
Pil-Ju is really smart and is very articulate with putting his thoughts into words. I hope he can be the ambassador for the unification between the North and South Korea. He's really well spoken and level headed. Also he's asking the right questions in order to move forward to a brighter future for both Koreas.
It is really important to see the big picture and to use the reunification as a long-term approach towards a better future for both sides. As someone who was born in 1990 in the eastern part of Germany, I am very happy that this country united in this year. I hope that in few decades North and South Koreans can say the same about their reunited country. Keep up the good work!
To sum it up, the South Korean outlook seems to be on a short-term basis whereas the North Korean's outlook is on a long-term basis and seeing the bigger picture. I have to agree with the North Korean on this one. It seems as though that if the gap between the north and the south keeps getting bigger there will practically no hope for reunification.
OF COURSE taking other people's land, stealing their resources, enriches you in the long run. But do NK elites want their land to be stolen from them? Why they have nukes?
I disagree. I think the hope for reunification is now, but not immediate reunification, but implement one country, two systems, allowing 50 years to be deadline to combine two systems into one. Let's Kim stay in power for 50 years.
Sorry, that's your perception from a rather naïve point of view. As far as many S. Koreans are concern, reunification is a short term endeavor with extremely little realistic long term prospects - if any at all. It's a HUGE gamble on the S. Koreans' part and one that can realistically destroy them as country. I'm not saying that to be dramatic, it is a real possibility that reunification will destroy S. Korea's economy for the rest of the 21st century and possibly into the 22nd century. Notice how in the vid, the only way the N. Korean addresses the real, practical problems the S. Korea brought up are all through rhetoric and sophistry? The N. Korean offers no actual solutions to assuage the concerns of the S. Korean - a real concern shared by many S. Koreans. Because the N. Korean already knows that the only way for reunification to happen is if ALL S. Koreans are willing to be blindly charitable and gamble their current way of life for an outcome that isn't even guaranteed.
I share your concerns, and your fear of losing your current life style. Reunification of a country doesn't rise from fear. It rises from tears, blood, death, and wars throughout human history. If no Korean people want renunciation anymore, why bother talking about this topic at all? I was brainstorming to offer creative solutions since you mentioned N. Koreans offer no actual solutions, and S. Koreans are only thinking about what they could lose and being scared of any changes to their current life style. Maybe my solution is very naive, but you won't know if you won't try. South Koreans need to think outside of the box. Think about how to gain economical, and geo-political powers from events such as reunification. You share a typical Korean way of thinking that unification of Korean Peninsula, is purely a Korean problem and S. Koreans are the ones to be financially responsible for the reunification. Why not making reunification an international problem, for which if such event is about to take place, China, the US, and Japan, should all be financially responsible for the N. Korean people during transition period of let's say 10-20 years. Please don't ask me why they want to pay for it, even if they don't want to pay for it, they will still pay for it. Think outside of the box. Your brain is so boxed up in that tiny space of yours that all you see is what in front of you, but not what it could be. @@theoptionaut.tailer7501
Economically, they will probably be better off in the long term. But in the long term, they're all dead. So it's about sacrificing the economic potential of the current generation in S.Korea for the possibility of improving the economic potential of greater Korea as a whole for the future generations many decades in the future. Politically, if North Korea doesn't change then it will just result in the destruction of South Korea's democratic government.
Pil-Ju ... wow! you can really tell how passionate and compassionate he is for the people. I was so moved by how he presented himself and this topic. Both did a fantastic job at giving insights into the different views. I 100% agree that there definitely needs to be more information given to not only South Koreans but the rest of the world about North Korea- and not from an American point of view. Even as a Canadian, that's all we hear- if anything. Sorry this comment is so late, but I am very thankful I found this video.
I'm new to Asian Boss but I can't stop watching your videos because they are so insightful. That being said, I'll start with Jeong-Bae. He brought some great points to the table that weren't only his personal views, but those of young S. Koreans in general. They weren't exactly the most popular but they were real concerns. And he wasn't close-minded, he was willing to be corrected and he spoke respectfully. Truly, N. Koreans aren't the only ones manipulated by the media, as they both agreed, there isn't enough understanding and it's not because of lack of information when there are thousands of defectors in the south. If people would be like Jeong-Bae, I think understanding could be reached in Korea and in the U.S. where opinions are formed about what should be done about immigrants and dreamers before really understanding their story (not just what the media wants to put out). I believe that regardless of the opinion of each side, understanding should come first. Finally, Pil-Ju always leaves a strong impression on me. He has this ability to articulate his ideas so eloquently and so simplistically that I can't help being drawn to him. What he says is always so insightful, it really leaves me in awe. Pil-Ju, thank you for participating in these videos and letting us connect with N.Korean people through you.
Pil-Ju's words at the end just describe exactly why I love watching Asian Boss' videos. This one is undoubtedly another good video which helped me learn and understand a lot about opinions on the said topic from both sides.
Couple of thoughts. 1. This was a conversation between two men. To further the conversation, it would be interesting to hear the conversation between two women in similar situations to the men. This may already be in the works, but, it feels like a logical next step in the conversation. 2. Germany as an example has already been touched on elsewhere in the comments. But, it feels like there are lessons to be learned from that reunification that could add to the conversation...as well as potentially be used for a roadmap if/when the time comes for the South and North to reunite. 3. Another example, closer to Korea and in some ways similar, would be to look at what took place in Vietnam. This could/would be another place to look for additional insight.
Pil-Ju is such a remarkable person...he breathes such compassion when he speaks. Thank you for this insightful interview. As always, there is more to be learned in this 16 minutes than all day watching or reading the news. 🙂
This was such a thoughtful and rare conversation. I really commend the work you guys are doing to bring these issues to light on a neutral and informative platform.
I really like pilju. He's amazing. And asian boss, you did well. This is educate me and not boring at all. The moderator, the speaker, the editing is just perfect
Kim Pil-Ju is the only reason I keep coming back. Feature him more and more and watch your ratings go higher and higher. The guy is everything I love. I think he is the most interesting, intelligent ambassador that the Korean people could ever have. He also makes me want to learn more about Korea and the Korean culture. Honestly, up to now my impression, dealing with Koreans here in the USA, hasn't been too favorable. Kim Pil-Ju has totally changed that.
This north Korean guy I absolutely adore him. He looks so innocent and friendly. I wish yall would catch up with him and do another video with more light hearted content.
Very beautiful and informative discussion. Honestly, it’s the best thing I’ve seen as a college student all week. In particular, I really like listening to Kim Pil-Ju in videos. He’s a very good speaker and I feel his intention to improve society when he speaks. It’s something that many speakers struggle to do. Thank you for your service to this issue.
you'd have to get someone very elderly to answer that as the younger generation are clueless- in Japan at least. When the Americans occupied after the surrender they systematically revised the historical education of Japan to overlook the more savage details of the Japanese military history. It was done on purpose, and was part of McArthurs vision to rip out the bowels of the Japanese wardog and raise the next wave of Japanese to be blissfully ignorant of their past in the hope that they would become a more peaceful race that were less likely to become their opponents in the future. Worked a charm, except the Koreans and Chinese are pissed because they feel ignored. I think if they all knew the real story behind the Japanese lack of awareness about their past wrongdoings, the Koreans and Chinese might be less antagonistic towards them. Why hit the sleeping dog?
Perkūnas i think that its outcome actually depends on what generation the discussion held on. But it is indeed interesting to know on both sides perception 😯
Perkūnas, in case you've been absent from Asian Boss videos lately, they've already covered these topics on both sides. In each case, the majority of South Koreans don't see Japanese negatively, nor does the Japanese, especially the younger generation. If you want to dwell on history for the rest of your life, go ahead, it certainly doesn't make any differences nowadays.
north korea will be be opened up one day, hopefully sooner rather than later. when that happens, i guess the options on the table will be to reunify or to remain as 2 separate states. if south korea were to decide against reunification, i believe it would eventually regret that choice. there are so many reasons to invest in north korea - economic, political, geographical, social and sentimental. if north korea were to remain a separate state, i could see a lot of other countries investing in it, particularly china. south korea could end up becoming quite isolated.
Benny Ball im sure there would be many who would want to place those constraints on the north as a means of gradual reunification. i think there is a good chance that they would have the opposite effect though. from the perspective of the north it would seem the south did not want to reunify until they could get something out of it, whereas the north have an emotional investment in reunification. when their economic situation is inline with the south, would the north still have the same commitment to reunify? remember, this would be after years of constraints being imposed on them by the south and possibly at a time when the mineral resources of the north have been realised. placing long term restrictions on where people from the north can travel and work while allowing people from the south to move freely would effectively create two classes of citizens and all the future, generational issues that involves. i am sure the south would love to benefit from a direct land route for trade with china. but if the ability to work and travel in the south was not reciprocated, it would be easy for the north to feel they were being disempowered or taken advantage of. i really think the north are expecting an emotional commitment from the south, not only financial investment.
orsonsadler i think the true reason (whether they realized it or not) that they didn't want reunification is kim jong un. Nobody wants a dictator came to destroy their democracy. The north koreans are more than ready to accept the new "world". There are reports that many usb and cd containing videos and music of the outside world have been smuggled to north korea
orsonsadler....I see where you're coming from and great insight, btw. Maybe one solution to the immigration problem would be to create different types of visas for North Koreans just like it is available for foreigners of other countries. That way the South can regulate the inflow of people. I mean even other Korean diaspora (ie. from USA, Japan and China) would need visas anyway. There is no dual citizenship in the South like France.
Dr. Spongebob Sucks 12 this isn't the Cold War no more when two superpowers have enormous influence and nukes. If that happens, I assure you China won't want a nuclear fallout in their front yard. SK will be nuke-armed and ready, so would NK.
Thank you for this. It was quite fascinating. Both Jeong-Bae and Pil-Ju were great choices for the discussion. I did get the sense that Jeong-Bae is open to reunification with a lot of concerns and reservations. Pil-Ju at the same time recognizes the reservations while having some great insights and looking past the typical arguments. I commend everyone involved in such a great discussion. Jeong-Bae and Pil-Ju were professional and not dismissive of the other's view. Well done everyone.
Wow Asian Boss: YOU ARE GREAT. Thanks for conducting this discussion, I hope to see more videos in this manner. These are real people, not politicians, and as a European that doesn’t know well korean language (big thanks for subs) it’s great to hear that both North and South Koreans people are making steps towards reunion. It would be a big thing not only for Koreans, but also for the whole world. Huge support from me! :) Keep strong!!! Thanks Steve! You are my hero in terms of conducting an interview. Big thanks for tackling those important issues. Keep educating us! ;)
Thank you for your videos ! As Pil-Ju said, we don't have a lot of opportunities in the media to learn about North Korea. Finally hearing from an insider's perspective has been quite educational !
Asian Boss. You're doing god's work. Really! I am just in awe by following how you continue to tackle this difficult topic with such a high sensibility, care and respect. Warm greetings from a subscriber for life.
I am really happy to see Pil-Ju in so many of your videos. He has great thoughts and expresses himself so well. It's super interesting to listen to him. I am thankful you are giving him the opportunity to share his thoughts. I'm currently writing about North Korean defectors for my university paper in sociology class so I am re-watching all your North Korea related videos. Thank you for your great work, Steve and Asian Boss!!
A really interesting discussion that showed again how important it is to educate and inform both parties on such important matters. You really had the perfect people for this topic! Well spoken, calm and open to what the other had to say. And a special thanks to Steve for guiding the conversation and asking the right questions, definitely thought provoking.
I think the main thing that was really left out of this conversation was that so many of those things that can be done to help in the North could be done without full reunification at the very beginning. It was discussed as if to say you absolutely need reunification for change to occur in the North, but that's not true. If the North was to open it's borders and welcome foreign trade, open up tourism and everything else just like China did during the Deng Xiaoping era, it will grow massively anyway, as evidenced with China itself. Political and geographical reunification to meld the two Koreas again into a single state scaling the entire peninsula could happen at a much later date. It would give both countries time to grow friendships and create businesses with one-another and create more of a melting pot of politics and culture, and it would be growing the economy in the North in a way that would not be such a huge burden to those in the South. In fact it could grow and change in such a way that reunification might go down on the list of important things for Koreans. Opening the borders itself would eradicate that need for all out reunification for many people. Pil Ju's issue with his arguments is that he's trying to sell the idea of full scale reunification to a crowd of people who are en masse voicing that they would not accept those terms.
the main issue is china and the north korean dictator. china has the money to fix north korea's economy, but they are letting the crazy dictator run that country into the ground.
@Dan Man If Mainlanders have such security worries, they should stop at least backing nuclear arms program of Democratic People's Republic. This peaceful research of theirs threaten Chinese of Formosa, Republic of Korea and Japan at the same time.
@@plipplop1769 It's definitely in China's best interest for NK to have a strong economy. If North Korea remains a stable, independent nation, then U.S. troops stationed in South Korea won't be able to move up into NK to China's borders for surveillance. (If NK falls because its economy failed or if NK reunifies with South Korea, well, free territory for the U.S.) Also, if NK's economy was better, they could grow into a proper trading partner for China, rather than maintain this one-sided (almost parasitic) relationship they have right now.
I'm not Korean (obviously) but I suppose I have an opinion. I'm for reunification because I think Korea should be one people, as they have traditionally been before the Korean war. It's the Korean peninsula, and there are 1000's of years of shared history as opposed to the brief 70 years of disassociation. I think it's worth it for the Korean people's soul in the long run.
It’s not that simple. Today South Koreans and North Koreans are too different people to relate to each other economically, politically, socially, and in almost every other aspects in life. The last generation to experience a time living with each other are now close in their 80s-90s. I agree with your statement, I too feel the beauty of their history is invaluable, but I can also understand why many South Koreans feel the way the do, they can not relate with that idea being “good for their soul” as they do not have any clue how that pleasantness is supposed to feel like anyway
As you se, koreans sold their souls like the Japanese for short term gain. Now they are a shining and prosperous country but they will be gone due to a slow suicide.
Pil-Ju is pretty smart, and I agree with most of what he says, though I keep with my opinion that the North should develop up first as a sovereign country under a well meaning but temporary government for the purpose of reunification so that the economic impact on South Korea isn't going to be too much of a hassle. Both countries could already lower their military spending in that case, NK could use it to start distributing a fair share to its citizens and to kickstart the economy with outside help and removed sanctions to simply undo a lot of the damage caused by the Kim regime, and SK could also use it to partially help NK as well as use it to prepare for the reunification through various social programs as well. Either way though, I doubt anything about this is possible while the Kim family and the high ranking military personal stays in power. Still, I'd love to see this happening in my lifetime - we humans should generally always try to come together. Thank you guys for making these type of videos, I'm sure they'll have a specific importance to the things that are going on and what is going to come in the future.
It's a simple fact, the majority of North Koreans are not educated, brainwashed even, it will simply take time and money to bring the North Korean populace on to the same or a similar level of a South Korean citizen. Look at what impact the reunification of Germany had, and they weren't even that different in comparison to the two Korean countries.
Pil-Ju's point of view is surprisingly mature and like he said, people must look at the bigger picture of reuniting north and south, rather than dwell on the initial short term cost. Jeong-Bae is a business major so I understand his line of thinking. The point of unification was so both NK and SK to benefit from it, the spirit of it was to mend the wounds between the two Koreas so definitely SK being the more prosperous one will have to lend a hand to his brother. It will come at a cost , but will potentially make one Korea stronger than ever. NK people are also hardworking as seen from their manual labor so often depicted in documentaries, so like Pil-ju said, they are not simply waiting for handouts. With the proper support and training , they would be able to develop NK and contribute overall to the unified Korea. Right now, assisting defectors is a band-aid solution for the suffering NK people. The real long term solution would be to unite them and work together to allow NK to get up on its feet. Great discussion between these gentlemen. I'm Filipino, and I find the Korean divide quite fascinating. I find this mirrored in a similar situation in terms of development. Some places in our provinces here in the Philippines especially in rural areas lack development and support, since most of the jobs and development are usually in Imperial Manila (where people flock to). If jobs and development be made available in far flung provinces, it would benefit the entire Filipino society as a whole. Just my two cents ;-)
CORRECTION: Our South Korean friend’s name is spelled “Jeong-Bae”, not “Jong-Bae”. Special thanks to Jeong-Bae and Pil-Ju for participating in this Hot Take. Both are good friends of ours and any disrespectful comments towards them will be deleted. The opinions expressed in this video are those of individual interviewees alone and do not reflect the views of ASIAN BOSS or the general North or South Korean population. What's your take on the issue of reunification? Discuss.
Very good interview Asian boss, thumbs up.
If there is a peace treaty then wouldn't you think there will be LESS tax money going into defense spending especially for South Korea? Wouldn't there be MORE money left over for rebuilding, job-creation and investment efforts? Maybe people in their 20's and 30's need to see the bigger picture.
I wish you can do this kind of series like a debate especially to controversial issues besides from NK and SK
i think it will happen. I think also your missing the economic point of how other countries will act. If the dictator is removed. I'd wager the US and others would be eager to provide some economic assistance which might help Korea through this coming transition.
Would West vs East Germany reunification not cater as a good case study for NK vs SK. Use what works and adjust at what might be problematic. Yes there are three main pillars - economical, political and cultural.
Every video I see Pil-Ju in, I just get more and more surprised. Not only has he been through such a huge ordeal (his entire story of defecting from North Korea was just so moving), but he's so articulate in his thoughts and so intelligent without being condescending. What a guy, man.
After all he's lived with a very aggressive and _potentially unintelligent_ regime until 12 years before this video
He is kinda cute and handsome 2 xd just sayin ^^ (but honestly the way he express himself is just so gentle and intelligent i really enjoy listening to what he has to say)
I totally agree with you, but I do think he was a little condescending at the beginning with the pitiful statements like “what a shame”, telling the other guy that he’s not able to see the bigger picture.
he is a treasure for the south and the world.
I think he is actually a good looking guy. looking better everyday.
I think we should also commend the two speakers featured in this video. Both of them made really sound arguments. This is such an insightful and informative discussion.
i hope you see our debate of presidency in indonesia now, i wish they do it like this lol.
Really agree, mature discussion and good points on both sides
Pil-Ju is such a great speaker! He would be a great candidate to do a TED talk!
I heard TED requires speakers to pay thousands of $$s to use their platform to speak.
I’m all for it. That’s a wonderful idea
YESSSSSSS
So true
@@_Wai_Wai_ I worked as head of photography for TedXBasel and the only thing you have to pay for a 5min Ted-Talk are the entry fees for a couple of dollars
I really appreciate how civil and respectful the debate is and they do not interrupt each other. They seem to be able to voice disagreements with a lot of tact. Further, what the defector had to say about being accepted as a member of the family and feasting (in South Korea) was really strong and heart-penetrating. He seems to possess very deep insights.
how good debate should be.
My thoughts exactly. Thank you
Pil-ju has had to endure so much. It’s hard to believe someone can go through all of that and come out smiling. He’s incredibly strong, I respect him for that.
I just love listening to Kim Pil-Ju speak. What an incredibly brave, eloquent and intelligent young man.
facts , literally in love with him
True true
He's not really that intelligent. He's sentimental and optimistic, but the South Korean was far more intelligent.
THIS! What Asian Boss is doing is exemplary! This is the kind of journalism and media information that I yearn for. Its VERY educative, informative, professional, clean, and to-the-point about the topic being discussed. The best part of it all is that it strives to be objective and tries its best to not be too biased in a certain direction. THIS HERE is what the US media corps should aspire to be. As it stands, the US mainstream media is a bunch of hogwash, story-spinning, and partisan mudflinging. What you guys are doing here is (IMO) a closer form of "true journalism" and something that generations of people should tune into to find out more about certain aspects of Asia. I hope everyone in Asian Boss continues to see big success and I hope to see you one day reach into more mediums of media - magazines, prints, a little segment on tv, etc.
Introspective Scholar
Right on!
Another superb video!
Western medias n government are sources of most world hate kill invasion suffering wars civil wars terrorists racist prejudice destitute devastation destruction for the world to enrich themselves at cost others.
There's already an established term for this - it's *investigative reporting.* In a nutshell, it's reporting with the scientific method in mind, as opposed to having a story (conclusion) in mind and then seeking evidence for it.
I guess your not a fan of Philip DeFranco
I saw criticism toward Mr.Jeong Bae but I think he's just like us in the West, comfortable and slightly egoistic but still having hard time to live decently (comfortable=/= decent), I'm thankful he didn't hide any of his thoughts, knowing that he was going to be corrected, he did put everything on the table to have a bigger sight of the situation and be a more knowledged person. His attitude was fantastic.
I find him very wise and intelligent.
Exposing your flaws to get them corrected like he did isn't easy. Bravo.
On the other hand, I too have a lot to learn from Kim PilJu. I was drawn by each of his explanations. He has this ability of making people follow his reasoning, he is extremely intense yet calm. I hope he will always stay like this.
And Steve... chapeaux bas 👏 , you're the best please do more innovative work like this.
Thank you to every single person working on this channel
Agreed, that and his openness in his statements led to a lot of deeper conversation.
Kim PilJu is really something. I had watched amost every interviewed he had and really is amazing, wise and deep kind of person.
Jeong Bae's place in this discussion was to present an alternative perspective on the question of reunification . . . so it's okay to disagree with what he said, but it would not be a good, interesting discussion if he was not countering what Pilju was saying with alternative views . . . Asian Boss is presenting some fabulous material on all these issues!
I believe he thinks like most South Koreans, the two Koreas have been separate for decades, they don't think of Korea as one. I feel like it sounds nice to all of us that North Korea could be free of a dictator and they could integrate, but those are two completely different countries. for example, I couldn't imagine if someone proposed for Colombia and Venezuela to integrate and create one country, us Colombians would not agree, it would most definitely not be a fair agreement.
I didn't fibd him egoistic, he made good points.
When Pil-Ju asked, "Why do you keep talking as if South Korea has to do it alone?"....
They do financially
@@lobstereddy7303 You don't think that the US would be interested in giving financial aid if it meant ensuring the removal of what they see as an enemy state? I think they would help with some of the cost. They helped build the South Korean economy after the countries split to prevent South Korea from being recaptured and I could definitely see Trump wanting to make a speech where under his leadership the US was able to peacefully reunify North and South Korea.
iFkNxLegend that wasn’t my point, ultimately its between North and South Korea and the latter having to do much more.
@@iFkNxLegend It would be beneficial for the US to go with that path. However, they will have potential political drawbacks from it since they are intentionally involving themselves in other countries' affairs.
iFkNxLegend US aid usually comes at too high a price. Best for Korean to sort this out for themselves. China, Japan the US, Russia. Foreign meddling has caused most of Koreans problems. They can sort this out. The important thing is to have a plan. Careful development of the north not exploitation by anyone and avoiding a rush of people going south and destabilisation.
"A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in."- Greek Proverb
Wow, that's profound.
There is a Turkish poet in my country named Nazım Hikmet he says a similar saying " A person must plant an olive tree(which really gros slowly) even when he is 70 years old."
There is also an old powerful saying out there. Hard time create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.
The issue is when old men idea of a great tree is Brexit
Is there any award for UA-cam channel? Asian Boss should get it! Amazing content as always.
Many, many years ago UA-cam had a complex ranking system in which this video would have had listed below it things such as
#1 on Korean - Talk Show
#12 on Trending for Talk Show
#3 on Top Views for (area) during (date of day or week)
I honestly think this deserves a pulitzer prize for journalism. Even though this isn't a news site that reports on individual events, it spreads information and communication that is vital to understanding eachother and helps to bridge major gaps in people and bring them together.
Couldnt agree more!
In this world of biasis and filter bubbles, finally someones who do something to turn the TIDE of divisiveness, suspicion, halftrues and lies!
The North Korean brother is very clever and had many things in his heart that he wanted to express.
I like the part when he said that there is not point in disusing the economical benefit that the unification will bring if the authorities dont prepare the population do address the social issue that comes with the unification.
Kapil productions Lantigua Gomez why doesn't south korea unify with taiwan? Taiwan is already number 1 and with south korea it would be even stronger.
The gap between the cultures is too different.
Why should they? Different languages, different cultures, and China would threaten with war, since they claim Taiwan belongs to China. Absurd idea.
Francisco Javier Crespo Taiwan is stronger than china and taiwan is number 1 in almost everything. They could be the best at everything but they got tired of winning all the time and decided to not be the best in every category.
lol tell me ANY category/aspect Taiwan is stronger than mainland china. You really underestimate China and overestimate Taiwan. I understand that Taiwan has a strong economy, but not as much as you think.
I feel so privileged to be able to watch this. Thank you, ASIAN BOSS, for doing these videos! 👍
Animal Behaviorist because of white privilege?!
Packers GB 😃 ...I know of no such thing!
lol
Packers GB Ppl seem to think privilege is just a race thing. There's like even attractiveness privilege.
Na onairee ... 😃 Whatever! ... I'm so glad I went to college before all of the PC 💩 started!
As a German I must say that reunification is a long and difficult process. But it is worth all costs!
Is there any social class in the beginning of reunification
@@sammigismar5864 its still there sadly...
I find Pil-Ju's recollections and insights on North Korea very fascinating and educational, would love to keep seeing more great content with him involved!
I hope everyone at the Asian Boss studios realised that this is Nobel Prize material right there, this is beautiful, keep up the good work, keep making people talk to each others.
Love & Peace ♥
Thank you Asian Boss for doing this interview! Their debate was really good. Pil-Ju was very articulate and rebutted the arguments intelligently and strongly. I feel like Jong-Bae is actually in for reunification but had to take opposition for the sake of argument, so I learned a lot from him too bc there will be people who will oppose and he represented their perspectives well
Well in the beginning he said he just slightly leans against reunification, he didn't say he strongly opposed it. It is like comparing someone that is center right, to someone that is a right wing extremist.
He didn´t bring up any realistic solution, only talked about feelings
Journalism at its finest. Congratulations on this amazing piece. Both sides had heartfelt and thoughtful insights. Goodluck and blessings to you both. Well done Asian Boss. Your best video to date. Keep them coming. X
I would listen to Pill-Ju talk about the dictionary.
This was one of the most fair and well developed debates I have ever heard and gave me so many points for either side I had never even considered. Thank you to both men and the awesome mediator for making this discussion public!
i wish debates in my country were like that (talking about ukraine and eastern slavic countries in general)
This was really amazing. I wish this video was longer. Every day you hear lies and disinformation on the news and you're not sure what to believe. So it's great to hear from the people who are in the center of the things.
And as the gentlemen are saying it was refreshing and exciting to have that conversation, it was refreshing and exciting for me to watch and listen to them.
Thank you so much :)
both sides articulated their thoughts well. but i particularly appreciated the insights that the north korean guy shared.
i totally agree that people need to focus on the bigger picture. admittedly this can be hard to do, particularly with the way polticians operate nowadays. they seem to be so focussed on their prospects for reelection that they do not have the stomach for anything that would make their constituents uncomfortable, even if it’s a short term sacrifice for a long term benefit.
reunification would likely take a generation to settle, which seems like a long time. but in the context of a country’s history, it is just a blink of an eye.
As a financial point of view, reunification is a very unattractive investment as the majority of people are against the idea and will likely to turn out to be a failure unlike the case for Germany. Also, if the reunification happens under the current government, it will be very likely that Korea will emerge as a socialist country as the current president (Puppet Moon) believes that North Koreans should be taking over half of the seats in the congress. Since the new puppet has been elected, a lot of Koreans have been moving to the US, Japan and other countries to find a better life. If reunification happens, more people would leave the country and Korea would be left with leftwing socialists and communist who will be oppressing the conservatives. In fact, the current president came up with the idea called 고려연방제 and it basically states that North Korean politicians will have half of their seats in the congress. Already in South Korea, 50% of the politicians are pro-North Korea so it would become a disaster. I can pretty much see that Korea will end up like Brazil or even Venezuela.
Taeho Kim for reunification to be successful, they would definitely need a leadership that has vision. i don’t know enough about south korean politics to comment on the current government.
if the south decided that reunification isn’t in it’s best interests, the most likely alternative would be that north korea remains a separate state. however, i would not be surprised if the north were to become quite prosperous with investment from other countries, particularly china with whom they share a border, ready for trade. prosperity would be even more likely if the rumours of mineral resources are true. the south could end up becoming quite isolated.
"however, i would not be surprised if the north were to become quite prosperous with investment from other countries, particularly china with whom they share a border, ready for trade" Have you not follow world news regarding NK? It would've been the case if they were under the radar but ever since their nuclear program, most of the sanctions against NK are within the past 5 years. Sure there's still NK trade partners that aren't in the UN but really, where's the positivity coming from when NK is under so much scrutiny just in the past 5 years alone?
"prosperity would be even more likely if the rumours of mineral resources are true." Even if that's true, prosperity is relative. Whose propsperity? The Kim regime, undoubedtly. The ordinary citizens like the many that defected to SK? I highly doubt that. The idea that because NK has natural resources means that NK would prosper is just bizarre. The resources are always there (if the rumor is true, which it likely is). It just doesn't rain resources out of nowhere. Yet for the past 60-70 years of NK history, what happened to that prosperity?
Panda i am well aware of the current sanctions that have been imposed on the north. what you appear to be unaware of is that it is implicit within this conversation that we are talking about a scenario where the north is opened up. reunification would not even be an option unless that were to occur first.
in this scenario, the sanctions would be lifted as they would have fulfilled their purpose. due to their geography, north korea would then be in a prime position to trade with china and also facilitate trade between china and south korea. they would also be much better positioned to leverage their natural resources within the regional/global economy.
orsonsadler I guess I missed that assumption about NK opened up first. Then again, you're under the impression that China isn't already trading with NK. China was and still is NK primary trade partner. Sanctions or not, NK GDP growth has been quite consistents for over more than a decade. It's hard to believe NK would suddenly become prosperous after the sanctions are lifted when there's no indication of such thing prior to sanctions in the mid-2000s.
By your definition of opened up, NK would need to have a free market economy that allows businesses to operate by anyone in the country, not by people chosen by the government (that runs by a single political party which means the government owns the businesses)....history would laugh at the idea that a dictator is going to allow power slipping away from their control. So long as the current form of NK government exists, there can't be propsperity to the NK people (aside the ones that are repeatedly shown on propaganda videos praising the great leader of NK).
I think both the south and the north koreans must be taught an intense history course of the reunification of West and East Germany
you say that lauder for the people in the back
It was way easier to unite Germany in the 1990s, because they then had a reasonable big living generation that still remembered the united Germany before 1945. Now some old koreans at best remember when they was a part of Japan before 1945.
East germany's economy was three times smaller than that of west germany during reunification. But today, north korean economy is about twenty two times smaller than south korea's, so not the same thing
@@devtogoru true
German reunification was a disaster for anybody who was living and having a job in the east. It has to be different this other time
I really love kim pil ju, I've watched all his video, he's so smart and calm, but if he escaped from NK when he is 17 live in china 4 years and have been live in SK 12 years that's mean he is around 33 yo now?!? He looks so young
i thought that he escaped at 12y/o ?
@@CROAiva no, at 12 he's still living with her mother, moved several times and lived with his stepfather for 4-5 years so I think they attempted to escape starting around 17
But he said he is a college student amn't I right so he can't be that old tho
@@arshiyaagarwal5697 college student doesn't need age requirement, you know. Especially since he dropped school when he's still in North Korea. He might had to undergo a lot of educations needed alone to be accepted as south korean citizen, so it might be understandable if he starts attending college much later than average people.
I would say you are absolutely right but you know 33 is really old age that was the point I was saying anyway thanks for telling
Fantastic video about a very powerfully relevant topic that was intelligently debated and delicately moderated. Breaks my heart this kind of dialogue isn’t undertaken across more cultures and disagreements.
Eric Hanna, you're right!
As a non-Korean, this is one of the issues where I do think that the UN funding should go towards. IF both Koreas decide to reunify, then I think it would be totally reasonable for the UN to provide financial support, so as to not let the reunification be a too heavy economic burden for South Korea. The UN is already funding humanitarian efforts world-wide, and this could definitely be seen as a humanitarian effort (to relieve the North Korean population of suffering and oppression).
It takes alot of work and time to rebuild what is broken. North Korean are living in the past. It's like technology never touched the land. The work is so much more than humanitarian. They need to rebuild the government, politics and many more. I am not Korean and I am not an expert. I just wanna share what I thought. And I never have any ill intention to hurt anybody. Hope both countries can fix this problem with the help of the world citizens not only South Korean.
May Tyler *True. I’m not korean, but I like to learn about it (I’m not a koreaboo, so don’t worry XD.) I’ve learned a lot since I started listening to their music.*
Each government need to start change from basic back , how to run government back , make a policy and rules that both government will be agree , that rules will be broken if each government has broke , or make Parliament and come straight issue economic , technology and development . Make a move is better than not move at all, you dont get any solution if you not make some effort.
First , security both country need to understand each others and make some camp to them understand each other from heart , everyone is same , we need to listen both side and we can solve together.
secondly, Government need to have solid future plan to both country, trust me in 5 years north korean can be same like south korean in term economic , Why? because it call a lot investor ,if both country show good sign to the world and no more war.
Thirdly, Yup north korean will take at least 15 years to have same level like south korean in terms for education but better move than nothing .
Fourthly, Goverment need have solid rule and law , and please always watch people that want create war from both side , it not a lot but this people like to create war so better make a fine or 10 years sentence would be good to teach this people . Rule and law is make for make better people and teach people that behavior is wrong
Lastly , My advice , people is human same from both country , this opportunity will change all biodeversity to each counrty if they do like suggest
Thanks you for read ,hope we can have world without war , it not benefit your country but others country in term war.
@@robertdowneyjr5478 that's good hunny. I am also a fan of BTS.
Hmm I'm gonna make it short.
'it isn't like UN is IMF' 🙂
I think it's amazing that you guys were able to give Kim Pil Ju the opportunity to be able to discuss this. I can't imagine how many times he probably wanted to say such things and have a real serious discussion about it. Also I feel like the south korean representative really stated the honest position of how the South Korean's feel at the moment without sugar coating it. I was hoping it was going to be longer but it was a very important discussion. Hopefully more South Korean's watch this video
I want to thank EVERYONE who made this video possible. As an American mother who's daughter will be moving to South Korea soon I am trying to educate myself on every level possible. I appreciate every video that this channel uploads but especially content like this. American's tend to get upset easily
over political matters and can forget the human aspect of situations. It was refreshing to see a pure, honest, heartfelt conversation from both sides. Again THANK YOU to all of you at Asian Boss.
You are a great mother. I hope your daughter is doing well.
ABSOLUTELY LOVED THIS VIDEO!! never have i seen a north and south korean person sit and chat about reunification!! they both brought up great points and i love how each were respectful of the other without getting hot headed!!
would love to see more videos like this!
keep up the great work guys!
If you looks at Pil Ju's facial and body expressions, he seems annoyed or what that I instantly disliked. BUT I WAS WRONG. He was actually YEARNING for that moment to express his thought on what to do and what he can say. His thoughts are on point, very educational and very helpful insights on current issues in the Korean Pinensula. He is a great guy, he should be an ambassador for reunification, he is very diplomatic in his statements. I can see that he can actually help in the future. You can see how he take notes, you can feel that he was really serious on this matter. He takes everything what that South Korean guy said, and absorb it by writing it on his notes.
I think having experienced such different worlds (a more rounded life experience) he has so much more to bring to the table. Agree Would love to see him take on a leadership role for reunification.
definitely, an important position should be taken by somebody that has lived the two worlds on his own skin
Im in love with the mind of the North Korean man
He didn't grow up in a civilization with as many distractions(kpop, tech, etc) as SK had, all he had was his family and the stars at night.
he talks sense BTW
Kevin Y people smuggle that stuff in so that North Koreans can watch it. They weren’t surrounded by it but they did still have it
@@givemexrice Well you can have kpop and tech and still have deep thoughts.
very very good video. both sides really made good points, and had a fair conversation. great job Asian boss.
So just to clarify
Left guy speaks only to host
And north korean speaks directly to the south guy
I was waiting for this comment
And what does that have to do with anything?
Didnt seem like that to me. They were both looking at each other.
Good observation! In my opinion, it does have meaning. Seems like the guy from South delivering his message as if he is appealing to the host, while the guy from North is trying to persuade him.
That was beautiful. The part where Pil-Ju talked about wanting to leave a better situation for his children and his children's generation was quite moving. For what it's worth, this black dude from DC is down for the reunification. Bless you guys.
Very interesting! Also I think its great to see both views without prejudices and I like that the conversation was fair. Thank you :)
Kim Pil-Ju 씨 is an amazing person, you can feel his emotions, kudos to him 👍.... please make a part 2 of this discussion. In my opinion reunification must happen, it will bring economic growth & stability to the country.
Pilju is so eloquent and smart, I am in awe of him, really. Also, I agree with the fact that this issue should be seen in more of a humanitarian or emotional light because these are real people and real families who have been separated for years. Hope the South Korean public becomes more educated on the situation up north and the idea of reunification.
That last part of the interview really made me think. When they were talking about how South Koreans generally don't know anything about North Korea. When I first heard (from other Asian Boss videos I watched yesterday) that there are 31,000 North Koreans in South Korea I was so surprised! How does the world know so little about North Korea if there are so many people that have escaped that we could ask for their stories? I always thought there was no way we could find out more about North Korea because there are like 10 people that have escaped. But there are thousands. These stories need to be shared. But I am really happy to find out that things may be changing in North Korea.
YES!! Nowdays tons and tons of north korean defectors have youtube channels. More and more people are getting educated
That precisely indicates the mentality of the NKs. This is exactly what is delaying their liberation. Fear / indifference to some extent / lack of initiative... I can understand NKs in NK are brainwashed and haven't developed open mindedness. But 31000 defectors have to help them understand and take lead in liberation of NKs. Expecting SK or rest of the world to "free" them is day dreaming.
This was the most educated, peaceful, passionate debate I have watched in a long time. Both sides stated their concerns and opinions clearly and concisely. Stephen asked important questions to keep the momentum. The SK guy had a very important point when he said if we cant take care of ourselves how can we take care of others. The NK guy had his important point when he asked why do you think South Korea would be doing this alone. I feel the younger generations of North Koreans crave change and that soon there will be an uprising. They arent as browbeaten as older generations.
Hopefully more North and South Koreans meet and unite. This is such an amazing video, and hopefully see more.
Pil-ju is so smart and a good speaker. I love him . Keep it up❤❤
Btw Im agree With pil-ju .
Ps: that North Korean defector is a legend. He deserves more fame
hoda sara he's very eloquant and passionate. and all i get is good vibes of good intention form him
Agree with both of you! I was already impressed with him from the previous interviews with Asian Boss. But this time he really outdid himself. (12 years of freedom has done him well!) I get the feeling all this impressiveness was always there, but he never had the chance to develop it living in N. Korea. Would like to see more of him speaking. He reminds me of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, actually. Great speakers and similar broad stories (except he would never have a fatwa placed on his life).
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Agreed!
Saw him first here then found his other interviews and was really moved. He's already making the right steps. Hope he'll live the day when the two Korea would unite.
Asian Boss should be #1 Trending in all over the world !
Syn Op I agree
Asian Boss is slowly becoming one of the most informative channels for front line journalism on UA-cam. Keep up the amazing work guys.
Both of them have good arguments, and I think most of us non-korean commenters lack the knowledge and intimate feeling to really make insightful comments on this issue.
I will say 2 things however: what strikes me is the absence of a shared ideology between North and South Koreans. They are basically 2 very different countries who happen to share a common language. Their shared culture, especially in the North, has been warped by propaganda and animosity for multiple generations. Old people who have relatives on each sides of the border are now reaching the end of their lives, and the younger generation in SK now has virtually no tie to North Korea, except the language.
If anything must come to fruition, it will be on the North side, as North Koreans are getting more exposed to how life is in the South through illegally imported dramas and movies.
As with East Germany, the North Koreans would have to rebel first in order for a reunification to happen, and this seems highly unlikely because of the repressive nature of the North Korean regime.
Secondly, contrary to West Germany who was part of the European community, South Korea isn't part of a broader regional union who would be willing to help for North Korea's development. Japan may fear the preponderance of a united Korea, and China would fear losing a strategic ally in its war of influence against the US. Reunification would only be successful if other countries from the international community would be able to invest with SK to develop the North.
In short, in order to one day reunify North and South, we need an overthrow of the system in the North and the liberalization of the economy, we need renewed cultural ties between North and South, and international cooperation.
Even then this poses a lot of difficulties, as most North Koreans, given the chance to emigrate and knowing how wealthier the South is, would do so immediately.
This process would take at least 30 or 40 years.
Having all of these seems impossible, but I am optimistic it will happen in our lifetime.
The system in the North doesn't necessarily need to be overthrown but their policy and economy has to open up. Different political ideologies can coexist, but a closed state cannot survive long.
@@ElaineWangyy I'm a Westerner, so my opinion may be void in this issue, other than to me. But I personally cannot see two political ideologies that are so divergent as N & S Korea coexisting. The whole point of a dictatorship is to keep a hammer over your peoples heads. Am I missing an important point that could make it possible? How can a dictator keep control if the country is open unless his/her plan is to control both countries under his hammer? I do not see a way, at this point in time, where Kim Jong-Un would simply step down. I'm in no way a scholar, so I understand that I'm looking at this through a very far away window, but I'm here to learn.
@@ElaineWangyy This is an edit to my first reply to your comment. I went back and re-read yours and I think I misunderstood you. Perhaps in your last sentence you said, basically, what I meant, just with fewer words. I wasn't intending to attack you, in case it seemed that way. I hope it didn't. :-)
The mentality of SK people has however been shaped by American ideals, just look at them getting worried about the financial problems first.
I would like to take my homecountry, Italy, as an example both economically and socially. Historically it had NEVER been unified as a single country so the cultural background is actually pretty different from region to region. Economically the north is way stronger than the South also because of problems with the many mafias formed in the southern part of the country. In the past there were people who believed that Italy should be broken in to two different countries because of the lack of balance between the economies of the two areas (mind you I am from the north) but now opinions and plans have changed to help the South while protecting the Northen economy, if you didn't know Italy is a broke af country with billions of debt, but still people are trying. After all the poorer classes will be always be struggling no matter in which part of the peninsula, and I think so it is for Korea, many times "Asian italy" for the richness in culture and natural attractions.
I would say Korean Unification can work if the Kim Dynasty is overthrown but it would have to be a loose union like the "One Country Two Systems" in China. I know people look at One Country Two Systems in Hong Kong as a failure but that's because its a dictatorship enforcing itself on a democracy while its a lot easier for a democracy to change the values of the dictatorship. Of course their economies and borders will still have to be mostly separated similar to China and Hong Kong. That being said there are a lot of benefits like South Korea has a labor shortage so they can benefit from cheap labor while North Korea lacks white collar workers while South Korea has too many of them who can't find career jobs so many can find jobs for building North Korea. Additionally, South Korean corporations can benefit from North Korean cheap labor by making their products like Samsung phones cheaper while still maintaining their quality making them able to easily outcompete Apple and Huawei.
I'm a foreigner who lives in south-korea. I have friends from both south and north Korea. In my opinion it would be nice to start reunification slowly. First the railway from south to north and permission for everyone to travel between two countries. The second point could be the permission to start business in the other Korea. For example south Korean starts a business in north and employs north Koreans. That would help with the economy problem as north Koreans would also be able to earn money and pay taxes to help. And little by little getting to know the other country and to understand it. After maybe 10-20years it would be easier to reunificate.
But the video itself was a really good and the two guys both gave a really good points while thinking the way they do.
Reunification is impossible as long as Kim regime stays in power and I don't see him voluntarily stepping down.
Um a train for North korean to “visit” the South?? You know how quickly that would stop and potentially kill their families?
@@andrewpark7160 Would he be willing to rule all of Korea? Interested to know whether he actually does or not lol
Yesterday the railroads were re-connected. You might be correct
This was so interesting and refreshing! It was brilliant to explore both perspectives on this issue!!
Great debate! !it's so refreshing see the point of view of people who are living in the center of the thing!! Both parts introduced good points to analyse !
Thank you for another Pil-Ju video, he's great :)
This is the cleanest debate I have ever seen. This was extremely well executed. Thanks for this vid, and to the participants!
It would be interesting to see their positions switched, with Pil-Ju doing research and arguing against reunification and Jeong-Bae doing the same to argue for reunification so that they could each get a better understanding of the whole issue. I once saw a reddit post that said "If you can't argue intelligently for both sides of an issue, you don't understand the issue well enough to argue for either"
This is real good! I was so focused in every word I read and hear. Thank you Asian Boss for this real good talk
TBH, people who had commented that the South Koreans youths are selfish should understand the hardships they are going through right now. Many university graduates are unable to find jobs or they are working as part time workers in order to pay their bills. With ever high youth unemployment rate plus pressure to succeed, it is not selfish to be against unification. Please be in their shoes for once. Unable to make enough for yourself and increase chances of you paying even higher taxes in the future, if you were them would you want unification?
I do understand the counter argument that is put forth about unification could solve the lack of jobs available. However, jobs that maybe created might not be jobs that the South Korean youths are finding. In addition, the verification of natural resources should be carried out before further discussions about it. If not, it is a paper tiger argument.
I have also noted that some have said that South Koreans have failed to see the big picture. But many do not realised that consequences of unification would last over a few generations. Thus it is quite reasonable for South Koreans not being that enthusiastic over unification.
There is also countless of people mentioning about them sharing the same culture and language. From what I know, due to the split, there is a gap between their culture and language right now. This would add on to the current social concerns if unification were to happen.
Last but not least, it is heartbreaking to hear what North Koreans have to go through. They have as much rights as any human being in the world to be free. However much more pressing issues(e.g. the dictator, nuclear weapons, China's response if unification were to happen) should be addressed before full unification is being carried out. Thoughtless and rash unification out of blind emotions would bring about more cons than pros they have mentioned.
its not sulfish but its stupid because the unification can bring only benefits
Yes, I do agree there are some benefits to unification. But, alas, there are downsides too. It will be foolish to say there will be benefits ONLY. Unification should be done in a careful and cautious manner. It is silly to rush into unification without taking into consideration of the current context of South Korea's situation. Like some have mentioned "unification" could be ease in slowly by South Korean companies investing in North Korea to tap in alleged natural resources and create jobs for North Koreans. But this can be only done if the dictator have lost its control over the country. If not, this would certainly not happen in the near future at all.
Most benefits that have been mentioned are on macro level (excluding the reuniting of separated families) which would take who knows how many years. Majority of the average South Korean youths in this generation would not gain from the unification.
Many would say South Koreans are too money focused. It is not their fault. Money cannot solve all problems but it can solve 99% of the problems in this day of capitalism.
Very sensible comment. I agree with your point.
@@catch_me_if_you_can6596 No lol are you even SKorean to begin with? Don't say stupid thing like this when you don't know what SKorea had to go through to have this "good Korea".
While South Korean students face first-world problems, it's nothing compared to North Korean citizens starving to the brink of death by millions. I'd rather have entitled South Koreans being upset but can go on in their daily life than North Koreans living in some of the worst conditions in mankind.
This is amazing. I'll sharing this video with everyone I know...Pil-Ju's comments have really opened my mind to reunification.
I'm from the west, not Asian, so I have very little true knowledge of the issues of N & S Korea, so I'm very thankful I ran across Asian Boss and discovered these videos. I intend to watch all of them as I go. This discussion was just plain beautiful! So fresh and honest and I loved the give and take between Jeong-Bae and Pil-Ju. I loved how the interviewer asked a few questions, but then set back and let the other two just discuss. I learned SO MUCH listening to them and has given my heart a lightness it hasn't been able to find in a while. I am American living in the US and there hasn't been a lot of "lightness" to find here, lately. At age 63, a person doesn't want to live the last third or quarter of their lives feeling like all is lost in this world. It was good to see people speak with each other about differing beliefs without all the hate.
These are two very intelligent individuals who both made incredible points.
The ''economic burden'' theory is made by people without basic economical education.
@@catch_me_if_you_can6596 Probably true, but then that's how most people involved would be looking at it simply because the majority of the populations of both countries wouldn't have that education. The fear is there because they would not have the knowledge and there will ALWAYS be politicians that will exploit that fear and under-education to make things go the way that benefits themselves. That happens in every country.
the north korean argument is well made and he knows what he's talking about .. i'm rooting for the reunification and i have no doubts it's for koreans best .. wish you all the best!
Yes they should unite but first throw the communists in the sea
Both are right. Just South Korean is more pessimistic and NKorean is more optimistic, but both agree it would be very hard.
Pil-ju is really well-spoken in his beliefs and makes a lot of allegories that kinda resonate with me... while I see the logical fear that SK has, if there is a real opportunity then it needs to be taken ASAP. Here's hoping for peace and unity in the region.
Pil-Ju is really smart and is very articulate with putting his thoughts into words. I hope he can be the ambassador for the unification between the North and South Korea. He's really well spoken and level headed. Also he's asking the right questions in order to move forward to a brighter future for both Koreas.
It is really important to see the big picture and to use the reunification as a long-term approach towards a better future for both sides. As someone who was born in 1990 in the eastern part of Germany, I am very happy that this country united in this year. I hope that in few decades North and South Koreans can say the same about their reunited country. Keep up the good work!
To sum it up, the South Korean outlook seems to be on a short-term basis whereas the North Korean's outlook is on a long-term basis and seeing the bigger picture. I have to agree with the North Korean on this one. It seems as though that if the gap between the north and the south keeps getting bigger there will practically no hope for reunification.
OF COURSE taking other people's land, stealing their resources, enriches you in the long run. But do NK elites want their land to be stolen from them? Why they have nukes?
I disagree. I think the hope for reunification is now, but not immediate reunification, but implement one country, two systems, allowing 50 years to be deadline to combine two systems into one. Let's Kim stay in power for 50 years.
Sorry, that's your perception from a rather naïve point of view. As far as many S. Koreans are concern, reunification is a short term endeavor with extremely little realistic long term prospects - if any at all. It's a HUGE gamble on the S. Koreans' part and one that can realistically destroy them as country. I'm not saying that to be dramatic, it is a real possibility that reunification will destroy S. Korea's economy for the rest of the 21st century and possibly into the 22nd century. Notice how in the vid, the only way the N. Korean addresses the real, practical problems the S. Korea brought up are all through rhetoric and sophistry? The N. Korean offers no actual solutions to assuage the concerns of the S. Korean - a real concern shared by many S. Koreans. Because the N. Korean already knows that the only way for reunification to happen is if ALL S. Koreans are willing to be blindly charitable and gamble their current way of life for an outcome that isn't even guaranteed.
I share your concerns, and your fear of losing your current life style. Reunification of a country doesn't rise from fear. It rises from tears, blood, death, and wars throughout human history. If no Korean people want renunciation anymore, why bother talking about this topic at all? I was brainstorming to offer creative solutions since you mentioned N. Koreans offer no actual solutions, and S. Koreans are only thinking about what they could lose and being scared of any changes to their current life style. Maybe my solution is very naive, but you won't know if you won't try. South Koreans need to think outside of the box. Think about how to gain economical, and geo-political powers from events such as reunification. You share a typical Korean way of thinking that unification of Korean Peninsula, is purely a Korean problem and S. Koreans are the ones to be financially responsible for the reunification. Why not making reunification an international problem, for which if such event is about to take place, China, the US, and Japan, should all be financially responsible for the N. Korean people during transition period of let's say 10-20 years. Please don't ask me why they want to pay for it, even if they don't want to pay for it, they will still pay for it. Think outside of the box. Your brain is so boxed up in that tiny space of yours that all you see is what in front of you, but not what it could be. @@theoptionaut.tailer7501
Economically, they will probably be better off in the long term. But in the long term, they're all dead. So it's about sacrificing the economic potential of the current generation in S.Korea for the possibility of improving the economic potential of greater Korea as a whole for the future generations many decades in the future. Politically, if North Korea doesn't change then it will just result in the destruction of South Korea's democratic government.
Im happy to see pil-ju again❤ I missed him
This is such a great video. Everyone needs to watch this!!!
Pil-Ju ... wow! you can really tell how passionate and compassionate he is for the people. I was so moved by how he presented himself and this topic. Both did a fantastic job at giving insights into the different views. I 100% agree that there definitely needs to be more information given to not only South Koreans but the rest of the world about North Korea- and not from an American point of view. Even as a Canadian, that's all we hear- if anything.
Sorry this comment is so late, but I am very thankful I found this video.
I'm new to Asian Boss but I can't stop watching your videos because they are so insightful. That being said, I'll start with Jeong-Bae. He brought some great points to the table that weren't only his personal views, but those of young S. Koreans in general. They weren't exactly the most popular but they were real concerns. And he wasn't close-minded, he was willing to be corrected and he spoke respectfully. Truly, N. Koreans aren't the only ones manipulated by the media, as they both agreed, there isn't enough understanding and it's not because of lack of information when there are thousands of defectors in the south. If people would be like Jeong-Bae, I think understanding could be reached in Korea and in the U.S. where opinions are formed about what should be done about immigrants and dreamers before really understanding their story (not just what the media wants to put out). I believe that regardless of the opinion of each side, understanding should come first.
Finally, Pil-Ju always leaves a strong impression on me. He has this ability to articulate his ideas so eloquently and so simplistically that I can't help being drawn to him. What he says is always so insightful, it really leaves me in awe. Pil-Ju, thank you for participating in these videos and letting us connect with N.Korean people through you.
Pil-Ju's words at the end just describe exactly why I love watching Asian Boss' videos. This one is undoubtedly another good video which helped me learn and understand a lot about opinions on the said topic from both sides.
Couple of thoughts.
1. This was a conversation between two men. To further the conversation, it would be interesting to hear the conversation between two women in similar situations to the men. This may already be in the works, but, it feels like a logical next step in the conversation.
2. Germany as an example has already been touched on elsewhere in the comments. But, it feels like there are lessons to be learned from that reunification that could add to the conversation...as well as potentially be used for a roadmap if/when the time comes for the South and North to reunite.
3. Another example, closer to Korea and in some ways similar, would be to look at what took place in Vietnam. This could/would be another place to look for additional insight.
1 was already done
Germany and Vietnam had less to loose than S. Korea though
Pil-Ju is such a remarkable person...he breathes such compassion when he speaks. Thank you for this insightful interview. As always, there is more to be learned in this 16 minutes than all day watching or reading the news. 🙂
This was such a thoughtful and rare conversation. I really commend the work you guys are doing to bring these issues to light on a neutral and informative platform.
I really like pilju. He's amazing.
And asian boss, you did well. This is educate me and not boring at all. The moderator, the speaker, the editing is just perfect
Amazing video!! This is why i love asian boss! I should share this with all my friends
Wow. This is actually so amazing!
That’s why I love this channel!
Kim Pil-Ju is the only reason I keep coming back. Feature him more and more and watch your ratings go higher and higher. The guy is everything I love. I think he is the most interesting, intelligent ambassador that the Korean people could ever have. He also makes me want to learn more about Korea and the Korean culture. Honestly, up to now my impression, dealing with Koreans here in the USA, hasn't been too favorable. Kim Pil-Ju has totally changed that.
Blatantly backhanded comment...
This north Korean guy I absolutely adore him. He looks so innocent and friendly. I wish yall would catch up with him and do another video with more light hearted content.
Very beautiful and informative discussion. Honestly, it’s the best thing I’ve seen as a college student all week. In particular, I really like listening to Kim Pil-Ju in videos. He’s a very good speaker and I feel his intention to improve society when he speaks. It’s something that many speakers struggle to do. Thank you for your service to this issue.
It would be interesting to see a discussion between a japanese and korean person about the WW2 and current view on each others country.
you'd have to get someone very elderly to answer that as the younger generation are clueless- in Japan at least. When the Americans occupied after the surrender they systematically revised the historical education of Japan to overlook the more savage details of the Japanese military history. It was done on purpose, and was part of McArthurs vision to rip out the bowels of the Japanese wardog and raise the next wave of Japanese to be blissfully ignorant of their past in the hope that they would become a more peaceful race that were less likely to become their opponents in the future. Worked a charm, except the Koreans and Chinese are pissed because they feel ignored. I think if they all knew the real story behind the Japanese lack of awareness about their past wrongdoings, the Koreans and Chinese might be less antagonistic towards them. Why hit the sleeping dog?
Perkūnas i think that its outcome actually depends on what generation the discussion held on. But it is indeed interesting to know on both sides perception 😯
Perkūnas, in case you've been absent from Asian Boss videos lately, they've already covered these topics on both sides. In each case, the majority of South Koreans don't see Japanese negatively, nor does the Japanese, especially the younger generation. If you want to dwell on history for the rest of your life, go ahead, it certainly doesn't make any differences nowadays.
I think Perkunas meant a face to face, like this one. I've watched the videos in which you're referring, but it's always within each country.
Chinese and japanese too
north korea will be be opened up one day, hopefully sooner rather than later. when that happens, i guess the options on the table will be to reunify or to remain as 2 separate states.
if south korea were to decide against reunification, i believe it would eventually regret that choice. there are so many reasons to invest in north korea - economic, political, geographical, social and sentimental.
if north korea were to remain a separate state, i could see a lot of other countries investing in it, particularly china. south korea could end up becoming quite isolated.
Benny Ball im sure there would be many who would want to place those constraints on the north as a means of gradual reunification. i think there is a good chance that they would have the opposite effect though.
from the perspective of the north it would seem the south did not want to reunify until they could get something out of it, whereas the north have an emotional investment in reunification. when their economic situation is inline with the south, would the north still have the same commitment to reunify? remember, this would be after years of constraints being imposed on them by the south and possibly at a time when the mineral resources of the north have been realised.
placing long term restrictions on where people from the north can travel and work while allowing people from the south to move freely would effectively create two classes of citizens and all the future, generational issues that involves. i am sure the south would love to benefit from a direct land route for trade with china. but if the ability to work and travel in the south was not reciprocated, it would be easy for the north to feel they were being disempowered or taken advantage of.
i really think the north are expecting an emotional commitment from the south, not only financial investment.
orsonsadler i think the true reason (whether they realized it or not) that they didn't want reunification is kim jong un. Nobody wants a dictator came to destroy their democracy. The north koreans are more than ready to accept the new "world". There are reports that many usb and cd containing videos and music of the outside world have been smuggled to north korea
orsonsadler....I see where you're coming from and great insight, btw. Maybe one solution to the immigration problem would be to create different types of visas for North Koreans just like it is available for foreigners of other countries. That way the South can regulate the inflow of people. I mean even other Korean diaspora (ie. from USA, Japan and China) would need visas anyway. There is no dual citizenship in the South like France.
China would never allow South Korea to reunify without putting up a fight. Think about what China loses militarily and their buffer of communism.
Dr. Spongebob Sucks 12 this isn't the Cold War no more when two superpowers have enormous influence and nukes. If that happens, I assure you China won't want a nuclear fallout in their front yard. SK will be nuke-armed and ready, so would NK.
Thank you for this. It was quite fascinating. Both Jeong-Bae and Pil-Ju were great choices for the discussion. I did get the sense that Jeong-Bae is open to reunification with a lot of concerns and reservations. Pil-Ju at the same time recognizes the reservations while having some great insights and looking past the typical arguments. I commend everyone involved in such a great discussion. Jeong-Bae and Pil-Ju were professional and not dismissive of the other's view. Well done everyone.
Wow Asian Boss: YOU ARE GREAT. Thanks for conducting this discussion, I hope to see more videos in this manner. These are real people, not politicians, and as a European that doesn’t know well korean language (big thanks for subs) it’s great to hear that both North and South Koreans people are making steps towards reunion. It would be a big thing not only for Koreans, but also for the whole world. Huge support from me! :) Keep strong!!!
Thanks Steve! You are my hero in terms of conducting an interview. Big thanks for tackling those important issues. Keep educating us! ;)
Thank you for your videos ! As Pil-Ju said, we don't have a lot of opportunities in the media to learn about North Korea. Finally hearing from an insider's perspective has been quite educational !
Asian Boss. You're doing god's work. Really! I am just in awe by following how you continue to tackle this difficult topic with such a high sensibility, care and respect. Warm greetings from a subscriber for life.
An actual debate.That is perfect!! Good job Asian Boss! 👏👏👏
I am really happy to see Pil-Ju in so many of your videos. He has great thoughts and expresses himself so well. It's super interesting to listen to him. I am thankful you are giving him the opportunity to share his thoughts. I'm currently writing about North Korean defectors for my university paper in sociology class so I am re-watching all your North Korea related videos. Thank you for your great work, Steve and Asian Boss!!
A really interesting discussion that showed again how important it is to educate and inform both parties on such important matters. You really had the perfect people for this topic! Well spoken, calm and open to what the other had to say. And a special thanks to Steve for guiding the conversation and asking the right questions, definitely thought provoking.
I'm a fan of Pil-ju..i love the way he speaks, i hope to see more videos of him in the future. :)
I think the main thing that was really left out of this conversation was that so many of those things that can be done to help in the North could be done without full reunification at the very beginning. It was discussed as if to say you absolutely need reunification for change to occur in the North, but that's not true.
If the North was to open it's borders and welcome foreign trade, open up tourism and everything else just like China did during the Deng Xiaoping era, it will grow massively anyway, as evidenced with China itself. Political and geographical reunification to meld the two Koreas again into a single state scaling the entire peninsula could happen at a much later date. It would give both countries time to grow friendships and create businesses with one-another and create more of a melting pot of politics and culture, and it would be growing the economy in the North in a way that would not be such a huge burden to those in the South. In fact it could grow and change in such a way that reunification might go down on the list of important things for Koreans. Opening the borders itself would eradicate that need for all out reunification for many people. Pil Ju's issue with his arguments is that he's trying to sell the idea of full scale reunification to a crowd of people who are en masse voicing that they would not accept those terms.
the main issue is china and the north korean dictator. china has the money to fix north korea's economy, but they are letting the crazy dictator run that country into the ground.
@Dan Man If Mainlanders have such security worries, they should stop at least backing nuclear arms program of Democratic People's Republic. This peaceful research of theirs threaten Chinese of Formosa, Republic of Korea and Japan at the same time.
All is true, but that happening is very unlikely. The kim regime will fall if that happened, so that would'nt happen
@@JM-gy1ev What are you talking about? Why would China want to fix north korea's economy in the first place?
@@plipplop1769 It's definitely in China's best interest for NK to have a strong economy. If North Korea remains a stable, independent nation, then U.S. troops stationed in South Korea won't be able to move up into NK to China's borders for surveillance. (If NK falls because its economy failed or if NK reunifies with South Korea, well, free territory for the U.S.) Also, if NK's economy was better, they could grow into a proper trading partner for China, rather than maintain this one-sided (almost parasitic) relationship they have right now.
I can not express enough how much I love Asian Boss !! Thank you for your real content !
“Do people serve the economy, or does the economy serve people?”
Whoa..i'm hoping to see Pilju-related content in the future. He's really knowledgeable and articulate 😍😍😍
The NK dude makes some good points.
great debate. good points made from both
thank you so much for the video! really appreciate it, esp hearing Pil-Ju's thoughts! very insightful and makes me think more !
Wow, this was just amazing and really interesting. I'm so glad that I could watch this. And let's hope both Korea's could live happily.
If everyone were able to sit and talk so calmly even while disagreeing they'd probably no wars. That was one of the best debate i'd ever seen.
I hope all Koreans will be happy. I talk again, reunification is good for them :-0
Hoàng Kim Việt thank you so much😻
I also want to see them as one 😭❤️💗
Korea reunificated would be top 5 in world
Yes I hope korea become as one like Vietnam.
Us Vietnamese can relate very much to this issue.
I'm not Korean (obviously) but I suppose I have an opinion. I'm for reunification because I think Korea should be one people, as they have traditionally been before the Korean war. It's the Korean peninsula, and there are 1000's of years of shared history as opposed to the brief 70 years of disassociation. I think it's worth it for the Korean people's soul in the long run.
actually its more than 2000
It's 5000 years :)
It’s not that simple. Today South Koreans and North Koreans are too different people to relate to each other economically, politically, socially, and in almost every other aspects in life. The last generation to experience a time living with each other are now close in their 80s-90s. I agree with your statement, I too feel the beauty of their history is invaluable, but I can also understand why many South Koreans feel the way the do, they can not relate with that idea being “good for their soul” as they do not have any clue how that pleasantness is supposed to feel like anyway
As you se, koreans sold their souls like the Japanese for short term gain. Now they are a shining and prosperous country but they will be gone due to a slow suicide.
ruskodisco *??? What do you mean?????*
Pil-Ju is pretty smart, and I agree with most of what he says, though I keep with my opinion that the North should develop up first as a sovereign country under a well meaning but temporary government for the purpose of reunification so that the economic impact on South Korea isn't going to be too much of a hassle. Both countries could already lower their military spending in that case, NK could use it to start distributing a fair share to its citizens and to kickstart the economy with outside help and removed sanctions to simply undo a lot of the damage caused by the Kim regime, and SK could also use it to partially help NK as well as use it to prepare for the reunification through various social programs as well.
Either way though, I doubt anything about this is possible while the Kim family and the high ranking military personal stays in power. Still, I'd love to see this happening in my lifetime - we humans should generally always try to come together.
Thank you guys for making these type of videos, I'm sure they'll have a specific importance to the things that are going on and what is going to come in the future.
The ''economic burden'' theory is made by people without basic economical education
It's a simple fact, the majority of North Koreans are not educated, brainwashed even, it will simply take time and money to bring the North Korean populace on to the same or a similar level of a South Korean citizen. Look at what impact the reunification of Germany had, and they weren't even that different in comparison to the two Korean countries.
@@Dark__Thoughts true
Asian boss needs to be in trending. Let’s make that happen people
This is just another example of the great content they are producing. I love this channel!
Pil-Ju's point of view is surprisingly mature and like he said, people must look at the bigger picture of reuniting north and south, rather than dwell on the initial short term cost. Jeong-Bae is a business major so I understand his line of thinking. The point of unification was so both NK and SK to benefit from it, the spirit of it was to mend the wounds between the two Koreas so definitely SK being the more prosperous one will have to lend a hand to his brother. It will come at a cost , but will potentially make one Korea stronger than ever. NK people are also hardworking as seen from their manual labor so often depicted in documentaries, so like Pil-ju said, they are not simply waiting for handouts. With the proper support and training , they would be able to develop NK and contribute overall to the unified Korea. Right now, assisting defectors is a band-aid solution for the suffering NK people. The real long term solution would be to unite them and work together to allow NK to get up on its feet. Great discussion between these gentlemen. I'm Filipino, and I find the Korean divide quite fascinating. I find this mirrored in a similar situation in terms of development. Some places in our provinces here in the Philippines especially in rural areas lack development and support, since most of the jobs and development are usually in Imperial Manila (where people flock to). If jobs and development be made available in far flung provinces, it would benefit the entire Filipino society as a whole. Just my two cents ;-)