I Asked 100 Anime Fans To Make A Main Character Tier List (ANGRY REACTION)
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It's hard to believe that People exist who would rank Tanjiro S and Eren F
well probably beause the ending i mean even chibi did it
@@MTAKIM-xy9jd True! And this list was for character writing not who is better than another. Also its the guy who made the videos fault that the list turned out this way. Theres not enough space in the s a b categories so when someone saw a character they liked to low the would just move a character from the top to the bottem becuase A. a show they havent even watch B. a show where they just hate the MC. Very flawed list, doomed to fail. No one wins.
@@Eris_Greyrat bro its just content
Eren is b/c he deserves f after he become a clown in last arc,but I like the anime
Imagine already doing that crime and then crying like a clown
Even with the ending, Eren is S. It actually is consistent.
Remember guys, these are the people you argue with on anime twitter
Or UA-cam comment section
I've seen guts go through actual hell, but this was the worst treatment he has been through.
xD
And not the NTR??
actually funny comment
😔
😂
the fact that Eren was never moved from F tier for half the video goes to show how shit ppl taste can be
Or people's opinion on him soured after the ending.
People think he regressed as a character, and mistake that for bad writing.
@@zxcvb3772the ending solely can't regress eren's character..as soon as he made the decision of destroying the world, the ending was inevitable..but the ending can't overshadow the quality of writing for eren prior to it, which is still atleast A tier imo.
Crying over an opinion lol
@@jackiekun4545 yes, I cry over how some people have the shittiest opinions. Mad? Because Im not. I actually enjoy doing it quite a lot. So thats a you-problem
This proves that a lot of fans don't know what "Better written character" means and instead go either by nostalgia or whoever is cooler. I get it, lots of these characters are very cool and maybe even made your childhood, but you can't put Guts, Thorfinn and Eren in such low tiers.
Eren's reputation probably tanked after the ending, not gonna lie.
I agree a lot with this, character depth, intensity, maturity and growth over time, how they respond to situations and apply what they learn, how they fit within their own world and the people around them, how they effect the world around them, how they influence the audience, etc.
@TheSoulCrisis Given all the parameters you just mentioned, ranking Gintoki as b-tier is ridiculous.
@@hokutology1718 I don't watch Gintama. xD
tried to sneak in eren amongst the goats
No way he finally watched shonen showdown
GINTOKI NOT BEING MOVED ONCE AND NOT HAVING AN S+ TIER FOR HIMSELF IS FOUL
People just don't know Gintama like that sadly
@@othinusz3576 😭😭😭
He's a forever S to those who have watched it
I prefer Guts but both Guts and Gintoki are on another level along with Thorfinn
I’m pretty sure they haven’t watched it.
Me still waiting someone put Gintoki in S. Bet none of those ever watch Gintama
fuming rn
Literally
I second this
I wish I was there
If Gintoki isn't S it's bs
Couldn't agree more. I guess these people or western people in general haven't watched Gintama yet, or don't really understand how good the show is.
Gintoki MUST be S. No debate 😢
Those ppl haven't even watched the show missing out big
Gintoki is a massive S+
I also second this
@@AStixMatismgintoki negs most of them except guts, thorfinn
Man this tier list is terrible. Thorfinn (one of the most maturely written characters in shonen) at a D? Gon at C? Spike in B? Mob in F? Ichigo in D? Wasn't this supposed to be based on the quality of writing?
When Vinland is a Seinen Manga/Anime, how come Thorfinn became a Shounen Protagonist? 💀
@@Super-Nerd The whole point of the series went over your head, if you understood the message your mind would change
@@lucatronicmaximus432 my brother in Christ, what are you applying here? Am talking about the demographic
@@Super-Nerdohh I see what you meant now, yeah sorry I thought you meant thorfinn actually became a generic shounen mc
bruh do u really think shonen fans understand which one is a well written character
Gon has real depth as a character, he is not a good person, he is good to his friends, but gives little care to those outside his circle.
He's so subtly written ( infact a lot of things in HxH are like that ) that if people don't pay attention to him they'd surely miss it .. He's not S tier but he's nothing below an A maybe B .
Yeah, I feel like who Gon is flies over a lot of peoples heads, he’s neither evil or good, he’s just a kid really that didn’t develop a moral compass, perhaps never will.
He's not S. High B - Mid A. He's falling to typical shonen troupe when side characters are interesting than MC
@@silhouette9699yeah killua is more like the mc
This is not true and fans have misinterpreted that aspect about Gon.
Gon's an idealist and he clearly cares about anyone outside his friend group, this is even more clear everytime in Yorkshin when Gon's thoughts clash against the Troupe when he asks in a really angry way to them why would they kill people that have not done anything to them or aren't even in their way directly.
Idk where this side of the fanbase created where they just see him as this extremely indifferent and pesimist person, Gon is a complex character but for completely different reasons you all give.
Nicholas deserved to be here
What funny about Nastu being that Low, is his Character is similar to Luffy, Goku and Asta. However because people hate on the show, they place him so low when he really should be at a solid B tier as a character.
Imo Natsu's personality is better than Goku and Naruto
PFP check out
@@inari2061 Idk bout that, definitely not better than Goku, he seems like the exact same as him tbh except more loud lol. Naruto is extremely similar to Natsu so I don't think it makes sense to call Natsu better. Def not a bad MC though, I like how he's got his fire dragon slayer power as part of his identity
@@inari2061goku has hater and that proves why goku is best
That's 100% true. Natsu is literally a Luffy clone when it comes to how he is written and his personality. 90% of people ranking in the video were ranking how they feel about the anime, not the character.
The girl who put Tanjiro on S tier definitely only watch demon slayer and some new random anime 😭😭
At first there is NOTHING wrong with that. When you watch only DS than Tanjiro is the best caus you only see one so its like ok to like him.
2. Tanjiro is a solid mc not the best and not in S but he is ok.
Waht is the hate vs ´´ new random anime´´ ? just cill out and let new anime fans have fun.
@@tobi6168 no
@@harishrajexpert why ?
@@tobi6168 tanjiro isnt a trash character but not S. He is just kind of boring imo. so a lot of people can never agree put tanjiro on S and ignore other characters.
@@harishrajexpert cant you read my text ?
I LITTERLY say that. ´´not in S but he is ok.´´
Tanjiro is a mc that make shit done, no talk no jutsu trash or craying all the time. So he is ok, he never wats to be deep or make plotwistes like aot.
He just isnt trash.
Yo bro this is insane as heck fr man. Imagine THORFIN, EREN YEAGER, AND GON not being in fricking S. God dayum. And where tf was Luffy at 💀
luffy was at S, which is deserved, gon deserves a A, also eren, THORFINN AND GUTS DESERVES S+
@@nvisiondk8791 oh alr I didn't see him lmao 😭
@@nvisiondk8791 also completely agreed
my man worried about eren and gon when gintoki is in b tier funny stuff
@@taurenrogue Gintoki needs to be moved too 😭
hot take: Mob and Boji are what Tanjirou wishes he was. Mob and Boji are excellent examples of how to write a sweet and kind boy, without making him as flat, dry, and bland as a saltine cracker. Tanjirou is basically featureless compared to those two.
All Tanjiro has going for him is his kindness. That’s all his character is.
that's not a hot take my guy. that's a fact
@@mrflakey6163 wasn't sure how unpopular this take would be... generally I try not to be a hater like that, but there's just something not right about that boy.
Bro’s spitting 🔥
COOK
I fail to understand how denji is above gintoki and naruto is same as gin like WTF
Whoever put Thorfinn at D better be sleeping well at night
I just gotta say nic it's insane to see how far you've come in the community i remember the aot opening video i was watching them right after i had finished it, it was actually not long after i had gotten into anime myself i'd been in the community for maybe 3 or 4 months so it was cool basically having someone to watch and learn about anime with
the only 3 characters on this list that full deserve s tier is gintoki, guts and thorfinn, and none of them were in it...
So basically people with saddest backstory
@@senpai5175Not really, but people with clear drive, interesting personality and a damn good backstory to back up their character. Most importantly, people whose inner struggles were revealed to the audience many times, their moral dilemmas and decisions. And the consistency of their character ig.
@@senpai5175 nah just characters that are written better. like you wouldnt argue that char like tanjiro from demon slayer is written better than those 3. objectively wrong
I am so pleased to see people rage and pissed off at the video LOL, I already knew that people in the video is BIASED
Yeah, they rank them based on if they like the anime or not. Instead of rating it based of how good the character is.
I can't believe they didn't put Gintoki in S
Gintoki should be a S or just High tier A. This is a massive disrespect to the anime and Gintama fans lmao this also shows that Gintama is just that underrated, but always a gem to those who watched it.
That is why eren Start the rumbling...😂
Real anime fans are only who put Gintoki in SSSSSSS
💀
@@fanto860 I was being sarcastic about "Real anime fans" because I can't judge other people, but Gintoki's tier should be at the very least S.
yeah at least an A. He's just a really good protag
@@MTAKIM-xy9jdA is at the least I would tolerate B is pure disrespect for that guy
Thorfinn is an A to S tier.. best character improvement I've ever seen in the history of anime so far.. need more respect on my mans Thorfinn
I bet more than half the people ranking the characters have only watched one anime. They shouldve left goku and ranking of kings kid in A and placed Gintoki in S
It's literally crazy to me how much love OPM gets. It's a good show but it's nowhere near S and Saitama is definitely below S-Tier too
I mean it's personal opinion,I like goofy funny ch so for me saitama is S-tier
I have the same thought, OPM is alright, but I don't think it's S tier at all.
well goku's & gon's character are more bad than him. but goku is still ok. i don't hate him
I prefer ONE's (original author) OPM
Character creation is better
But the Western community seems to prefer Yusuke Murata
Just because he has excellent painting skills
Saitama has a lot of potential as a character but we just haven't seen enough of him yet. OPM is S tier or high A imo (if you consider dragonball as good)
well Nick, you can always do a list video that list all those people that did the list
Not only boys but girls love Lelouch too 🙌
GINTOKI IS A MASSIVE S TIER. God most of thsie ppl haven't even watched Gintama
I can't think of one thing about gintoki that I dislike
I fkin hate people who haven’t watched gintama 😂
@@ara_kai damn bro its 500 episodes I'll get to it eventually lol
I would love to see your reaction to their side character tier list
I'm being an Asian long enough to think that anything below A is trash lol
Guts got removed from S twice... my soul and everything just shattered and he didn't stay in S. Bro, I'd say that Guts and Thorfinn are the best written characters on this entire list. Fuck nostalgia fr. Luffy could probably be there, but the rest can be whatever
I'd add Gintoki too, would recommend watching Gintama if you haven't.
Gintoki, Guts and Thorfinn are S+ tier
I have a full essay about Thorfinn all written up already, and I honestly just want to drop it here because I haven't gotten a chance to speak on Vinland Saga on this channel in a while, and my brain is still deep in it.
to me, Thorfinn's character is legitimately fascinating. starting from the age of six, Thorfinn was already a prideful kid, even when he was back in the village where he was raised. we see it in the first couple episodes... he doesn't want to believe that their people ran away to Iceland, thinking that it's disgraceful, despite the reality that Thors deserted the Jomsviking. at the age of six, this simply hasn't been properly explained to him yet, and in fact, Thors doesn't talk about his time with the Jomsviking at all. but Thorfinn still absorbs attitudes via cultural osmosis from his surroundings. and when his father is called to war, Thorfinn starts playing rougher with the other kids as a kind of mimicking of what he thinks it means to qualify as strong enough to be a soldier. and, like many children, he's in the part of life where feeling angry goes hand in hand with fighting or roughhousing, because it's instant catharsis for his little kid frustrations.
Thors is interesting because he goes against the dominant cultural attitude that surrounds him, as shown very plainly when the town celebrates that there's going to be a war, while he stands dejected in their midst. and both of his children are influenced by this culture... we see it in Ylva when she asks about getting a slave, (and we also see how Thors differs from the dominant cultural mindset when pays for the freedom of a dying man in episode 1), and we see it in Thorfinn when he goes looking for the dagger. once again, Thors differs, and he has to try and teach Thorfinn better, but he has limited time. and Thorfinn has a point. Thors is about to go to war. his job there will be to kill the enemy. regardless of how Thors, as an adult, intends to finagle this situation going forward, Thorfinn doesn't know what's going on in his head. and we even see Thors stumble over his words several times while trying to convey this. I think this is because Thors's pacifism is a conclusion that he came to on his own, intuitively, and after a lot of experience. and unless a person has been through his same experiences, it's very hard to make them understand what he sees.
by the time Thors dies, he has still yet to say anything that would truly convince Thorfinn of his pacifistic point of view. this is actually a very clever bit of writing, because it basically communicates to the audience "I know you won't believe this idea without proof" and via Thorfinn, the story then intends to provide it. but first, Thorfinn is further disincentivized from considering Thors's perspective by the way that this philosophy fails him. if Thors dying was the result of his pacifistic approach, then it didn't really do him any good, did it? to six year old Thorfinn, his father's method was proven useless, in the most dramatic way possible. Thorfinn still misses his father, so he still tries, to some degree, to emulate his father's conduct. that's why he demands to fight Askeladd in a duel. and yet, you can tell that Thorfinn is meshing this with the might-makes-right landscape of his culture. he hasn't been convinced that there's any good in reconciliation, or taught in a way he can understand... and so the duel, as a gesture, is hollow. the homage is an imperfect attempt to replicate the actions of someone he loved, without truly grasping the root motivations behind it all. but then there's still the intrigue of why his father would say these things in the first place. that's what keeps those words lingering in the back of his mind, long after his father is gone.
I also think it's interesting how we, as the audience, can clearly see the position of Thors in terms of the world and it's attitudes. Thors is a man with an uncommonly kind and gracious perspective, given his culture. honestly, the idea that Thors could arrive at this perspective all on his own is why we can believe that Thorfinn might improve someday too. Thors is proof that even violent men can atone and become better... he didn't start out perfect either. but in the moment where they clash, when you contrast Thors with Askeladd and his crew, and the way they conduct themselves, you can see why a man like Thors would be needed. the world needs people like Thors, specifically to counteract this nefarious element. Thors dying robs the world of a valuable perspective, because men like Askeladd also exist.
if you already know why Thors was valuable, then watching Thorfinn throughout season 1 is frustratingly tragic... but if you don't understand Thors at first, and you need a bit more convincing, then watching Thorfinn over the rest of the first season is the proof of what Thors knew. Thors is proven right because Thorfinn does everything wrong. and one of Thorfinn's strongest and most defining traits as a protagonist is his tenacity. he tries very hard, gets very far, and never gives up. due to this, Thorfinn stays on the path that runs counter to his father's philosophy, displaying it's every flaw as thoroughly as possible, from the start of that road, all the way to the bitter end. if a story is going to preach peace, it has to put it's money where it's mouth is, and acknowledge all the aspects of life on earth that make peace so difficult to achieve. that's what Thorfinn is there to experience. without his determination, we wouldn't be able to see all of it... but this very same determination will be pointed in a different direction in the second season.
(to be continued)
(continued)
so then it's necessary to talk about Thorfinn's manipulation in the first season... I do think that, past a certain point, Thorfinn is at least partially responsible for the choices he's made. but in particular, when it comes to Thorfinn, I think it's more important to talk about culpability, and how messy that idea becomes around his character.
like... I think most people can agree that when a six year old child watches his father die, declares his intent to duel his father's killer to the death, and then an adult takes that seriously and tells him "not until you've accomplished something on the battlefield," that constitutes an obvious power imbalance that the adult in the situation is exploiting. the adult knows how ridiculous that request is, but the kid doesn't. that kid is about to put themselves in danger, and there's an imbalance in who knows it. even if having a mature perspective was the only unequal aspect, this would count as manipulation, to a grossly unfair degree, but Askeladd also has physical strength and coordination on his side... there is no part of this scenario that Thorfinn can control.
and that's a tricky statement, because technically, he could just walk away. but what six year old could you actually expect to ignore a smug adult who is consciously pushing all of his buttons? when I say that Thorfinn has no control, I mean over anything. to begin with, this is a matter of wounded pride... Thors was killed, and Askeladd says it's because he was naive. Thorfinn was taken hostage, and Askeladd says it's because he was weak. and now Thorfinn feels like, if he wants to counteract any of those statements, he has to prove himself against the ways that Askeladd is judging him. if Askeladd is the one setting the standard, then as Thorfinn ages, when do his actions become his own?
I'm asking mostly hypothetically, because I think the ambiguity works well here... and it's also the nearest we'll get to the truth. as Thorfinn grows up, there's this slow slide into worse and worse behavior, but the presence of all of it is based on his guidance, or lack thereof. he literally wouldn't even physically be in these situations if the adults around him didn't put him there... and that's just a fact, regardless of intent. the adults around him may not know or care what this is doing to him, but it's still happening. in some ways, this concept doesn't even change with modernization... many abusers wouldn't self-describe as abusing someone while they're doing it. and because of this, there isn't really a moment you can pinpoint at which the culpability 100% shifts over to Thorfinn. even when he's old enough to seem less like a little kid to us, we still know how his history led him to this point, with no real opportunity for his trajectory to change. I think that's the point of the scene in the village, with that woman who treats Thorfinn's wounds.
Thorfinn was probably around ten years old at that point in time... so he's already spent years around Askeladd, absorbing what his expectations are, and learning that he's never good enough. and the effect that this produces, is that Thorfinn is already incapable of choosing something better than suffering.
while following Askeladd, his needs are consistently neglected, he's the subject of mockery, he goes unfed, he isn't given a roof over his head or safe place to sleep... under any other circumstances this would qualify as abuse. once again, just because the times set a precedent for adult pirates to display this kind of behavior naturally, that doesn't mean it damages a person any less to be subjected to those conditions. and in this village, Thorfinn is offered all of the things he lacks with Askeladd... a bed, new clothes, food, hygiene, medical care, basic kindness, and he doesn't even think about truly accepting it. he's already rejecting practical decency... you could put better incentives right under his nose, and he's trained himself not to touch it, because he doesn't believe he wants it. instead, he'll keep following Askeladd, because he's addicted to the idea that he has a slim chance at catharsis. if he can defeat Askeladd, he's convinced that it'll be satisfying enough to make it all worth it. so all he wants is a duel. and in order to get a duel, he has to do what Askeladd says. his wants are now Askeladd's wants. and nothing can alter his priorities from the outside.
I always think about how unsettling it would be to pull Thorfinn aside at the age of, say, eight or something? and ask him to explain what he's doing and why. hearing his child voice explain it would be very creepy. and as he grows older, this doesn't change. his motives, and way of thinking about his actions, remain very childish, and very dependent on someone else, even into his teenage years. he's a puppet, and it doesn't even take much to see the strings. it's like Askeladd says in the episode where he finally gives Thorfinn that duel... "everyone is a slave to something."
Thorfinn has literally been told what to do all his life... he's never really decided his own actions all this time. so as unhealthy as it is, it makes total sense for him to end up enslaved on the farm. this is well within his comfort zone. and Askeladd had to have known what he was doing... but he's a fascinating character, in large part because a lot of his motives remain ambiguous. I mean, Askeladd was awake when Thorfinn snuck up on him with a sword... we could assume that Askeladd would let Thorfinn kill him in his sleep, given what Askeladd did to his dad, but Askeladd also could've simply been curious to see whether Thorfinn would do it or not... or he may have believed that Thorfinn wasn't capable of it, whether due to his age, or his father's values. we already know that Askeladd was intrigued by Thors's values, and that intrigue might've carried over to Thorfinn a small bit. we never get an explanation, so we can only speculate.
but I think we have to be careful not to project too much fond sentiment onto Askeladd... he's a smart tactician, and when he tells his uncle that he's using his slave wrong, he literally says "anyone can be useful if you know how to handle them" and it cuts directly to Thorfinn. Askeladd knows he's being manipulative, especially during the duel, when he baits Thorfinn's anger by calling into question whether he even killed Thors in the first place. Askeladd also consistently sets Thorfinn up with near impossible missions, like bringing him a head with a helmet, or killing Thorkell, and then his crew retreats before Thorfinn can even extract himself from the situation. Askeladd has no qualms with presuming that he died... and he keeps tasking him with missions like these, which are designed to leave Thorfinn constantly falling just a little bit short. to me, this high bar dangled just ever so slightly out of reach is part of the manipulation... because Askeladd knows just where to place it so that Thorfinn has to keep striving for something unobtainable. and the longer this goes on, the less possible it is for Thorfinn to give this up, because if he does, then all of this will have been for nothing. Thorfinn has already done too much... if nothing comes of it, then he will have been a monster for no reason.
(to be continued)
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I also feel like I have to give some supplementary thoughts about Askeladd, so here's a thing I wrote about that:
to me, Askeladd is stuck somewhere between his warrior's pride, and his human sentiment. but when it comes to Thors, it seems pretty obvious to me that Askeladd found his Artorius figure.
during episode 12, Askeladd flashes to Thors, and then says "the more you fall for a man, the less things go how you want" and then starts asking Gratianus about whether or not he believes in the old legend of the general who is supposed to return, from far to the west, to restore the Britannia of old. later on, when Askeladd's men are betraying him, there's a conversation between Askeladd and Torgrim where Torgrim asks him why he's fighting so hard... Torgrim has never seen him struggle like this. all throughout this episode, we've been flashing back to young Askeladd caring for his mother in the stables, as she tells him about Artorius. she tells him to serve the true king when he appears. and Askeladd tells Torgrim that he's getting old... there's only so much time left that he can work. and he's also been saying ever since unrest began to spread amongst his men, that a man should follow a leader that they want to follow. Askeladd killed Ragnar because he wants Canute to change, and become a man he wants to follow. he's still searching for the true king. back during his encounter with Thors, he asked him to lead them, in true seriousness. but then, during Askeladd's telling of his backstory, he describes the time when Olaf raised a sword against his mother. he says that if Artorius wasn't going to come save her in that moment, then he was probably never going to come. if Artorius was in a paradise like Avalon, he'd probably never return for the sake of a world like the one Askeladd has experienced. he literally says that if you want anything done, a person has to do it. not a king, and not a god.
to me, Askeladd's story is that he became jaded toward the legend his mother clung to, and by the time he encountered Thors, it was hard to consider choosing to believe in it again. it moved him, somewhere deep down... but he was also already too entrenched in his warrior ways to be able to pivot and choose to follow Thors. he probably really hated himself for that... for destroying the hero Artorius that he'd been waiting for. it's possible that he even blames his Danish blood. I think his relationship to Thorfinn is all about half measures. Askeladd won't kill the kid himself, because he promised Thors that he would let all the rest of his people go, if Thors gave his life willingly. and there's a grain of Thors within Thorfinn... he at least won't do something dishonorable, like kill Askeladd in his sleep, though to Askeladd, this is just tactically stupid on Thorfinn's part. but past that, Thorfinn doesn't really embody all the honorable things about Thors that Askeladd wishes still remained. and this makes sense... Thorfinn was only six when Thors passed. I think Thors himself knew he was struggling to convey all these important things that he wished he could teach to his son, but part of the tragedy of Thors is that there was simply no time. if Askeladd hadn't stolen Thors from his family, then the Jomsviking would've... Thors was leaving home before he had time to fully raise his son. at least if he'd been able to leave Thorfinn with Helga, he knew she'd understand and be able to teach him. but we even see Thors struggle to find the words for what he's trying to say.
but rather than resembling Thors... in the first season, Thorfinn mostly resembles a young Askeladd. there's an adult in his life, who brought harm to his beloved parent, and who he now lives in proximity to... and this casts Askeladd in the role of his father, Olaf, a man he hated. and you can see a complex type of bitterness there... Thorfinn is simultaneously the son of the legendary Thors, and nothing like Thors. simultaneously just like younger Askeladd, but unable to accomplish what Askeladd did. simultaneously taking a page from his father's philosophy by demanding the duels, and yet taking all of his cues from Askeladd when it comes to his behavior, thus holding a mirror to Askeladd himself, saying "this is what you teach" because while Askeladd never wanted to be a father, he's become the only thing a father ever was to him... someone who ruins the kid they're training by setting the violent standard, which becomes the way that said young child feels he must prove himself. Askeladd is simultaneously raising Thorfinn wrong, pretending he's not raising Thorfinn at all, identifying with Thorfinn deeply (even in terms of his own self loathing), keeping his promise to Thors by leaving Thorfinn alive, and regularly professing that he doesn't care if Thorfinn lives or not.
to me, Thors was someone who had a mindset that the world needed... especially given how nefarious a lot of the people he was encountering were. Thors was proof that a violent man could reform himself and become someone noble, but to an outside observer, he was a paragon who left the world behind... with only the imperfect people left, to sort out how to live amongst themselves, in the messiest way possible. but if a good man like that isn't capable of surviving... if he was too naive, or too kind, to live through the trials that violent men put him through... then it kind of proves Askeladd right. the legendary hero wouldn't be able to stay in a world like this... it would reject him. Askeladd destroyed his hero. the source of Askeladd's nihilism lies in a type of perfectionism... nothing is quite good enough for him. even Thors couldn't survive what Askeladd is capable of.
it is then interesting to note that Askeladd starts to mirror Thors in the tail end of the first season. just after he sends Atli and Torgrim away, there's a shot of Askeladd from behind, standing alone, which resembles the shot of Thors from way back in the village when he's looking for Thorfinn, just before leaving. and overlayed on that shot of Thors, is a girl at the pier asking Lief, "if Thors is going to send all the men back to the village, does that mean he'll be going to the battlefield alone?" this same question applies to Askeladd here. he's sent Atli and Torgrim away, with instructions never to touch a sword again. he's sending good men far from the battlefield, to find a wife, have kids, and raise sheep. and when the time comes... when Askeladd has to figure out how to save Wales while also ensuring Canute's ability to rise to power... Askeladd sacrifices his life for the protection of others. he becomes Lucius Artorius Castus.
I think it's appropriate that this is where all the bitterness falls away... and where Askeladd acknowledges that Thorfinn deserves to live a better life, far different from the one he's led up til now. Thorfinn's true battle will be to venture beyond the world they've been living in. beyond the world that even Thors could see. this is when Askeladd chooses to call him "son of Thors"
to cap off this little string of observations, here is the direct quote of the story of Avalon from Askeladd's backstory:
"my mother was a slave. she said that far to the west, in a land across the sea, where ordinary people cannot reach, there lies a paradise where the hero Artorius lives. the hero is still there now, healing his battle wounds. if our ancestor really was living in such a nice place, he'd never come back to a world like this."
and here is the tale of Vinland, which is consistently told to suffering slaves as a source of hope:
"far to the west, across the sea, there is a land called Vinland. it's warm. and fertile. a faraway land, where neither slave traders nor the flames of war can reach."
the difference in these men may, in some ways, be contained in these expectations. paradise as a far off place, which ordinary people cannot reach, where heroes hide away from the ugliness of the world... vs. a paradise that the poor, downtrodden, and destitute can dream of going to, when everything else in the world seems cruel. there's a place for you there.
if a man truly believes that... what could he do, with that idea in his mind's eye?
(to be continued)
(continued)
I think the hard part about seeing Thorfinn in the beginning of the second season, is that there are two hugely painful aspects of his psychology that are weighing on him at that point. and we've seen both of them in action throughout the whole first season.
the first is Thorfinn's sense of self loathing. even when he was still just six years old, Thorfinn was told that Thors died protecting him. Thorfinn was weak, he was taken hostage, and Thors traded his life to save his son. if Thorfinn hadn't been there at all, maybe things would've gone differently... but more than that, Askeladd and his men judge Thorfinn by an adult's standards, and mock him when he fails to match their violence. Thorfinn's quest to make Askeladd pay for what he did is just as much about this, as it's ever been about avenging Thors. Thorfinn's mission statement, on the surface, is to avenge his father. but deep down, he seeks to kill the weakness and shame within himself. and Askeladd knows this, so he toys with it.
originally, Askeladd refuses to duel Thorfinn again until he's "achieved something great on the battlefield" which is a vague enough statement that it could mean anything. you can keep implying that Thorfinn's efforts just aren't quite good enough for a very long time, before he finally gets old enough to realize that he's being strung along, and asks for something more concrete. that's when Askeladd switches to "bring me a head with a helmet" which is doable, in theory, but at that point Thorfinn's never done it before in practice. this lets Thorfinn feel like he's actually being tested, and true enough, he does achieve it. but Askeladd is also perfectly willing to retreat before Thorfinn comes back with his requested prize... with the implication being that he's already assuming Thorfinn died. Askeladd is subtly displaying that he had such little faith in him. and Thorfinn knows this... it's only making him angrier.
and so, Askeladd uses that anger in their duel. he mocks Thorfinn, pretends to not even remember Thors, and then mocks Thors... knowing that this is the easiest way to manipulate Thorfinn into losing. then the next goal is "defeat Thorkell" which is known to be impossible by almost every man on the battlefield. and so we see this pattern developing. Askeladd always moves the goalpost to a place that seems achievable but is actually impossible. Askeladd knows it, but Thorfinn doesn't. and this means that Thorfinn's entire experience with Askeladd is one of constant failure.
from Thorfinn's perspective, he's done nothing but fail all his life. and on top of that, there's the second aspect of his psychology to consider.
Thorfinn knows he's been committing horrible acts this whole time. however much it hurt him to lose Thors, he's been hurting others just as much, if not more. the whole time he told himself that if he could just defeat Askeladd... if he could just accomplish his goal... then the cost would be justified. in truth, Askeladd set the standard by which Thorfinn would be judged the entire time, and then never let Thorfinn meet his standards... and now Askeladd is gone. now, Thorfinn's actions have to be his own. and Thorfinn literally doesn't know how to do that.
and furthermore, if Thorfinn considers all of his past crimes to have been for nothing, because he also failed to be the one to defeat Askeladd, and now all of that effort was a waste... then the severity of the things he's done have no shoulders to fall upon but his own. he did those things. and while there was a coercive element to it all, Thorfinn's hands were still the ones that held those knives.
consider what he thought Askeladd deserved for the crime of killing Thors. if Thorfinn has committed similar crimes, what must he think he owes for that, based on his own standards? Thorfinn doesn't know how to live like this.
this is why Einar is so important, and one of my favorite characters in Vinland Saga... but if I start trying to get into him and his psychology and role in the story, I could double the length of what I've already written. so I'll leave off here.
bruh u gotta b kidding me
@@abictor3312 if you don't want to read it, don't read it.🤷♂
If you love HxH, you'd love Yu Yu Hakusho. If you love Ichigo, you'd love Yusuke. Yusuke is kinda like if Ichigo was written by Togashi (writer of HxH and Yu Yu Hakusho). It's pretty f***ing good.
I just don't get how the ranking of Saitama didn't change AT ALL.
No one cares about him
@@__Ghazan true ig
Saitama atleast A tier
My top 5 MC is
1. Gintoki
2. Guts
3. Thorfinn
4. Okabe
5. Lelouch / Ayano (They tied, but if ayano decided to move from horikita's class and beat them, he got the number 5).
first 45 min vid ever watched from start to finish! the suspense was eating me up from inside XD
"I am comparing Asta to terrorist."
Mate, Eren is the terrorist.😂
My Rankings based on Anime and Manga
S-Tier (No Particular Order)
Luffy
Eren
Gintoki
Lelouch
Guts
Thorfinn
A-Tier (No Particular Order)
Gon
Spike
Light
Denji
Yusuke
Saitama
If Vash the Stampede was on the list he would be S-Tier
Your S tier is chef's kiss, and I agree with you on Vash the Stampede, great show.
Great list
Change light with luffy and W list.Luffy have no complexity and development,he is just a happy guy,he is actually b imo.Put naruto or ichigo in place of luffy in A.Both have many layers of complexities and lots of development throughout the series.
Fr W list
To be honest if I watched the original video first I probably would have been pissed as fuck. But watching reaction like this is really fun 😂
I cracked up at the tone change from “Ichigo is one of my favorites” to “F*cking hate Ash Ketchum” 😂😂
Bro is hating on ash for taking 20 years to become champion when luffy isn’t even fucking close to finding the one piece and he’s been doing it for 20+ years☠️
Man I watched all seasons of Pokemon but this is some desperate coping.
It's not just about the length of the story bro but also consider the setting and story these two characters are in. Pokemon literally has the same story in every arc only thing that changes are the regions, Pokemon, and his replaceable friends. Otherwise it's just Ash collecting badges, then lose the league, thus repeat that process for like 7 Pokemon generations, and let's face it he doesn't really improve that much as a trainer mid-series. Because it doesn't help that there's not really much else to Pokemon's world other than some gym leaders, legendaries, and champions. Yes One piece's arcs can be formulaic, but it actually has a much deeper world that props Luffy up in a way that makes his character progression consistent. Like seriously, the first half of the grand line alone is a much deeper world than anything Pokemon has to offer.
Also Luffy is just all around a better-written character than Ash.
This video has my dying LMAO
02:30 bro is roasting his sponsor 🗿
Someone at Otakuthon did the same thing, but instead of asking people to rank protagonists, they had to rank villains. That list was also pretty controversial with some of its picks, but one thing everyone agreed on was that Johan Liebert from Monster is a high S-tier villain.
well it's anime character list
This tier list pissed me off man
Poor Mob 😔
fr ther dont no how anime really works lol
Bro ichigo got moved at the end
Everyone's tossing asta around like logan paul's girl💀💀💀
Thorfinn D is like actually a federal crime bro
My advice to people, if they do this type of thing in the future. If you see a bunch of anime characters and one manga drawing at S tier and you don't know that character - DO NOT MOVE THE MANGA DRAWING BELOW S TIER! You'll look much more cultured that way and the risk of getting stabbed in a dark alley becomes much lower.
Why its somehow awaken memories about DieHard 3, then Brus walk in black district with that poster)
I saw this.. and knew I had to watch his reaction 😂😂😂
I'm still waiting for the Vinland reaction (There are much more ways to post it than on the main Channel)
My man said ichigo is his favourite out of the big 3 and he hasnt gone to the soul society yet my man your taste is great
“Anything jojo goes in S” after that had to instantly like the video and subscribe that’s all I needed to hear doneeee
10:59 is that nick and live in the background wearing white shirt?
37:37 is the end of the world ... right there ... I'm surprised the rumbling didn't start at that moment.
Where's the goat Natsuki Subaru?
Literally the best written MC ever created.
Itadori in the manga is such an amazingly written character
Mob F are you kidding me????
about the amount of yor's thats fairly accurate i was at a small anime con a bit ago and managed to find 3 different yor's some with anya and some with anya and loid edit: i like the chicken guy good taste ^^
it's so cool that I've been subbed to Nick for nearly two years..
Made my own tierlist to cleanse my soul
I haven't watched Pokémon, but seeing Ash being thrown like a godamn ping pong ball and then having Nicholas Rage in action brought me genuine tears of joy. I was cackling like no tomorrow next to my mom😭
omg its insane how much i get triggered watching that
Im surprised Vash the Stampede wasnt there
This video is dangerous
we need ur List this shit made me SICK
If tier list's had a tier list that tier list shouldn't even make it in
14:06 lmao. ✊️ Yes Sir!
They should troll by taking Eren from F to the corner of F baiting every fan xD
Saitama is crimely underrestimated
The fact that these mfs leaved gintoki in b tier is a fucking crime
ikr hes at least an A
He's an S for sure
He is SSS+ even
Thats exactly why the rumbling is happening
taste is not subjective
Nick: If Rumbling came to New York, I'll be a part of it! 😂😂😂😂
13:43 nostalgia's a helluva drug
Can someone give me a list of the MCs for this tier list since I want to do a better list than anime expo 🗿👍
Same 🗿
“I like Tanjiro…he’s a little too smiley for me” same lmao
Im simply glad Ed went directly on top and stayed there :]
My man Guts was just chilling up the until some random f@#!er...
Its always funny no one moves gutz
Ichigo in D made me go insane
Deku in F is criminal
Deku is a crybaby but he's definitely not f. D or e
Agree he should be lower
This is one of the very controversial lists
You should do sidr character its chaotic and funny asf too😂
The reaction tier list
Bro really picked up berserk and did "thou shaaaallttt noooott"
His tastes of those characters are similar to mine
I love the ending of aot eren knew he was going to die to make his friends have lives he sacrifices himself so they stop and can live with the other race cause they save them from the rumbling
Thorfinn triple SSS+ God Tier Character
Alongside with Guts and Gintoki
@@sengokudono2309 you're goddam right
And Luffy
I had a stroke watching this vid bro 😩
Eren & Light should be atleast A, Guts should be S , Ichigo A or Atleast B , Same for Griffin and Gon
How in the accually FU## saitama never moved from his FU##ING place
Gintoki is easily s
i did NOT expect to see Ash be as polarizing as he was.
I also straight up dropped Tokyo Revengers after 13 episodes because Takemitchi is unbearable, deserved F tier
If you dont read manga its understandable but itadori is one of my favorite mcs he needs S or A
AM AT THE MOMENT WHEN HE PUT YUGI IN GUTS PLACE WTF???????????