I like the idea of Ray's character. From what little he talks about his childhood, it seems he was a very weak and awkward kid. Bullied and taken advantage of. He compesated by growing into the complete opposite as an adult. A very strong, capable, skilled man who makes sure he's always multiple steps ahead of people. But you get the sense he is deeply traumatized by his childhood, as I do agree with the teacher here that holding on to that for 30 years is a bit much. He harbors a lot of pent up anger from his days of being taken advantage of. Usually when you see badass characters like this, their childhood is always this over the top origin. Ray was just an awkward kid who eventually had enough. This even applies to his look. I wouldn't say he looks like a pushover, but he more so looks like a pretty normal, everyday guy. Not jacked, or even that tall. A lot of the guys he takes down look bigger and more intimidating than him. His look reminds me of Sam Lake as Max Payne. A pretty average looking guy with a creepy smile that you really don't want as an enemy. It really adds to the grounded nature of his character.
@@carpballet it sure what the real interpretation is, but there are sheep who turned into wolves and sheep who like to now pretend they are wolves but don’t really believe it
Beat at home, bullied at school, and picked on by teachers - “a child rejected by the village will burn it down just to feel it’s warmth” - is a quote I love
Respects it......and maybe that saved the teacher. You got the impression that Ray was waiting for the guy to apologize...and deciding whether to spare him.
@@sjames304 yeh, you get that feeling from the scene. Like he’s on the edge of death if he says the wrong thing. Which highlights how fked up Ray really is, where any slight to him that crosses his moral line makes it open season for him to dish out any level of violence up to and including murder, in order to gain retribution. It’s great to stand up to yourself, but if everyone had rays moral compass we would be purging each other all year round!😂 sometimes you just gotta let it go
@@sjames304 I don’t think Ray would ever be so petty as to hurt someone who isn’t a threat over a 30 y.o. bullying history But he wouldn’t miss the opportunity to speak his mind
Something something axe, tree. But plenty of trees have dealt with worse and just kept growing. It's still up to the person how they deal with their experiences, whether they grow from them or wilt.
The teacher could read the room. He could just see that Ray was a ticking time bomb just waiting to go off. The teacher defused that situation like a boss.
Exactly. People wanna act like Ray is the one that is always in control and two steps ahead. Well in this instance it was actually the teacher who masterfully handled that situation and prevented Ray and his fragile ego from being irked into doing something heinous to him.
I think the teacher just legitimately felt sorry. His apology didn't seem coerced by fear of retaliation, more like he saw how much it deeply hurt Ray and it, in turn, hurt him to see his own negative effect in someone else's life. Ray loves saying he operates on respect, but he actually operates on fear. Whenever people treated him with real respect, and real respect comes from a place where fear does not go, Ray always looked lost and uncomfortable.
Such an interesting show. I think lesser writers would make Ray beat the hell out of the teacher in vengeance, make the audience applause, establish Ray as a bad ass etc. This doesn't. It makes you sit through the awkwardness, makes you think about why prick teachers act the way they are.
I have been thinking about watching this show for some time. Fully agree with your comment. It looks like a really well-written scene. He avoided the "beat the snot out of your childhood bully" trap, he also avoided the " it's all good now "/ trap . It's s super grounded with so many life-like little nuances - there is the hurt. Real. When you're a kid this kind of .... can really traumatize you if there isnt an adult to guide you through it. -There is the additional "insult to injury " of the guy not EVEN remembering it which is unfortunately very real : our perception/memory of those kind of incident WILDLY vary. -There is the apology which reminds that people can mature. -And the reveal that even though he was technically an adult and a teacher , this guy was actually just as insecure as the kid. -There is the bitter comeback that all the excuse in the world doesnt change anything about the psychological damage it caused Ray. -there is the this idea that Ray is mostly poisoning himself after 30 years by holding onto it. Which is really rich coming from the bully... but also a harsh truth. -there is the overall awkwardness that reminds us that no matter how well-intentioned people are, two adults dont have to get along. Those two are never going to be friends. They just somewhat settled the score to better pursue their own journey in life. - and overall there is the lack of physical retaliation while deliberately making this drag : it suggests that although he's very passive agressive about it , in spite of all, by choosing to stay here, Ray does find some sort of partial closure / catharsis in FINALLY getting some answer and a sorry. Really well-written human moment. I am really not too fond of hitman stories but I kinda feel like I am going to have to give it a go. That's some real good writing.
I think the line that convinced Ray was when he said he kinda got scared when dealing with kids. Ray was dealing at the time with Britt change in behavior because she was turning into a teenager and he was regularly getting pissed, one could totally relate. I like that it wasn't just a random line in the show, but it follows up every scene we had with Britt and how Ray struggled to get closer to her in season3.
The power of being able to say, "I did that, and it was wrong." You can even add, "Is there anything I can do to make it right?" It changes everything.
What kind of people would we be if everyone held lifelong grudges against one another? Leave the past where it belongs in the past and don't become a victim.
@@StuartMiller-l1l Holding onto a grudge for an understandable reason doesn’t make somebody a victim. You might as well be calling veterans “constant victims” with that logic due to their PTSD.
Interesting how the teacher/principal shows "dominance" over Ray - he's calm, unfazed, direct and rarely breaks his gaze on him. Meanwhile, Ray is fidgety, uneasy, keeps looking away in discomfort and shows a lot of expectancy after his statements. Despite the years, the dynamics have not changed, he still has authority over him. It also displays how Ray knows how to operate on power and fear, but not on the respect he always talks about. The teacher engages in full, clear honesty and genuine repentance, not motivated by intimidation despite Ray's ominous comments, and Ray just looks lost and uncomfortable. This isn't some tough guy getting cute or a chump trying to talk his way out of a beating. This is a man, looking him straight in the eyes, and talking to him without pretence, pomp or condescension. And Ray has no idea how to process it.
That's pretty shit take. Of course he doesn't faze because he doesn't remember shit. Just like bullies always says they were young and dumb to justify their actions. It's different for those who ACTUALLY remembers and affected by it.
@@tuduki5545 he is absolutely talking without pretence, he acknowledges as soon as ray talks to him that he used to be a hard-ass and clearly has some guilt about it he admits not remembering it and it's true, he's not said he was young or dumb, he gave absolutely no justification or excuse other than when he started he was scared and thought he had to be a hard-ass he tried to look ray in the eye and apologise as earnestly as he could, i mean from his point of view he doesn't remember this he doesn't even know if it's real but he still gives the guy a genuine apology, tries to look in his eyes and tries to shake his hand there's no more he can do he can't go back and take it away, he can only look the man in his eyes, say he was wrong and offer him an apology
School years, especially primary school we're all like sponges. We're made or broken in those years by out environment, school is a large part of what we soak in.
I've taught some phenomenally toxic kids in my time - one or two were literally the worst humans I've met in my life - but I decided several years ago to never shout at my students or do anything like that (unless someone is in actual danger). Even if it's the most awful kid in the world, losing your composure just means they win the mind game they are playing with you. Just be kind, so that the good kids feel looked after and for the horrible ones just be consistent with consequences but never let them make you lose your temper.
This scene hit hard for me. I had this problem with teachers myself at school. It was a respect thing for me. If I was asked politely and treated with respect, there was never a problem... but too many teachers spoke to me like I was worthless and they had some sort of God given right to speak to me as if I was a lower form of life which often prompted me to lose my temper and swear at them. Received a few suspensions as a result. Even as an adult, I still have the same principals. Give a man respect, you get respect back. It's that simple.
True that. Respect should be mutual. If someone breaks that mutual respect then, I of course think it has to be re-earned; but respect for one another should always start off mutual.
Discipline isn't bad when it's measured. Interactions need to be more than yelling and humiliation. Respect fools when they aren't foolish. Make sure they see it.
I have to say i side with ray here. Im an ugly person was ugly as a kid. I know i don't look good. I once had a teacher put me in a corner for talking during class. There was a mirror in the corner. He knew i was bullied for being ugly. He told me not to crack the mirror with my looks. Its been 30 years. That stays with you. And much like ray i joined the army and became someone who could hurt others. Now unlike ray I don't let anger rule me. But i understand the hurt
That’s fckin horrible mate. Good thing is when ya older most adults care more about what’s beneath the skin. Coming from someone who had their friggin top lip bitten off by a dog haa it was a real sweet lip back in the day too. Bothered me a lot at first but things could be worse, cudda been ma neck 😅
The comments here are stupid. Ray absolutely could have clocked him, even killed him. But it takes a man to apologise, and even more of a man to accept it and call it square. They aren't gonna be friends, but after all this it's cathartic to finally confront the guy and get an "I'm sorry" back
This show does such a good job of deep diving into the issues that even a lesser important side character holds. This teacher here was scared of dealing with kids. He couldn't take the stress or how careful he had to be. He basically didn't understand children well enough. Being tough was his defense. Ray has a habit of holding on to things, that leads him to be violent, as well as empathetic. All of that, in just under five minutes. Gold.
Why are people acting like he was planning to kill the guy? He had a grievance, they talked it out, shook hands and then went their separate ways (the part the uploader cut out).
Thanks for saying this, from Italy, watching this i looked forward but may have struggled to find the outcome. About the "what if", revenge may kill the beasts outside, but it's the ghosts inside that one has to sort out or might stay with the sh*t forever.
I watched this episode last night. It was about Ray learning to find room for forgiveness, something that echoed from the season prior where his brother Bruce encourages him to search for it in his heart. In the following seconds of this scene Ray shakes this old teacher's hand; forgiving him and ridding himself of the old grudge. This scene links nicely to his relationship with his father who beat him and his brother as children. In the same episode, he has a conversation with his father who tries to explain to Ray his experiences in Vietnam and how he wished he knew the person he was before it. The two scenes are a powerful masterpiece that sheds light into Ray's background which created the hardened exterior he often possesses, his hatred towards bullies, and why he does violent things to violent and bad people.
Seriously, I need to watch this show for real and not just randomly watching shorts that show up. The writing and the way he acts is so raw and natural. He conveys a very intimidating demeanor without having to get all threatening or egotistical. This scene is very powerful as so many people have experienced a similar situation. For your authority or someone who has been overbearing to you in the past to open up and be vulnerable like that and also apologise is what it takes to be a true man. So many hurt people will then use that pain to hurt and destroy those they come in contact with. Becoming the monster you once feared. Let your guard down and meet eye to eye with your fellow man, you will be much happier and will generally carry a much nicer energy to be around. It may save your life 😂😂
mate YOU ARE GOING TO LOVE THIS SHOW!!! The only downside is that there's not more of it. It is totally and utterly a stupendous watch. I'll even guarantee you'll love watching it.
@@bcm0022009 I think it will. You get information that you would otherwise wonder about in the actual show. Coming from someone who is also only watching the clips because I don't have disney+
Interesting that a guy called "Shoesmith" was "dragging his feet" at school. That kind of writing feels intentional. It implies that Ray wasn't functioning properly, or growing to do what he was supposed to. Instead of this guy asking why he was dragging his feat, he mocked him. Great writing.
Kind of. The teacher yelled at him for dragging his feet, so Ray decided to walk like a dinosaur instead so he made himself look stupid 3 times over. Once for dragging his feet, walking like a dinosaur, then walking like a dinosaur in front of 6 year olds.
Sometimes you don’t get to choose what sticks with you. You can try to limit how much you actively dwell on things, and try to focus on the good in life, but stuff like that shapes you and it’s impossible to fully forget. When people say to ‘let it go’ they act like that’s not what you want most in the world. I wish so much not to have been shaped and impacted by the people who mistreated me, but that’s not the world I live in.
You read my mind, when you are mentally and physically abused for years as a child, it fucks with your mind, it's easy for people who have never experienced it to tell you how you're supposed to handle it. It's always in the back of my mind but I reassure myself the good LORD above will bring justice to all. Stay strong and God Bless Ya, just laugh when thinking about how sad, pathetic and weak the ugly Demons where that hurt us, it helps me
Ray actually says “you gotta be careful how you treat people,” with zero sense of self-awareness. That’s why I love this show, they weren’t afraid to make Ray a deeply sympathetic character in one scene, and then have him demonstrate grotesque obliviousness to his own flaws in another. Even apart from his job as a contract killer, Ray routinely escalates common misunderstandings, accidents, and petty conflicts into violent situations, and then usually uses violence to deal with any fallout that occurs as well. The second someone crosses his very personal and arbitrary line of respect, he essentially considers it open season on them. He’s hung on to every instance he was ever disrespected or humiliated in his life, to the point that he allows them to make him incredibly insecure in a very specific and self destructive way. He loses friends and relationships because he only knows how to deal with insecurity through violence, and then convinces himself that acting on that insecurity is righteous because “you can’t let bullies get away with it!” It’s incredible character writing, and it’s deeply unfortunate that bad media literacy has essentially turned him into the ideal for bitter, divorced dads in the same way Rick Sanchez is for performative nihilist STEM-types.
This is the best critique I’ve ever seen of Ray’s character and you hit the nail right on the head. It’s unfortunate that 99% of UA-cam comments I see on these videos justify or even idolize Ray’s actions, when in reality half of his run-ins with (non-criminal) people are unnecessarily escalated into violence.
@@mairuzo I love the show and the character and it always really annoys me when I see people use both just to validate their own sense of aggrieved entitlement.
I believe it is somewhat a case of irony, that the former teacher acted out of fear, and in doing so seems to have 'created' Ray, who does NOT act out of FEAR...but instills it in others! Much like with those who are abused, do the same to others, and the cycle continues. However, as Ray has the power, or skill, call it what you will, to impose his will upon others, and to be either the 'Devil', or an 'Angel', the "careful how you treat others" line is very poignant as one could argue that the likes of Adolf Hitler came about from childhood bullying, and what would the world have become, and how many lives would not have ended, was this not to have been the case. Can a butterflies wings really cause a cyclone on the other side of the world?
@@mairuzo You know why people are a$$holes,right? Let's take the ice cream scene with his daughter. A proper human would apologize and offer to buy the little girl another ice cream... but no, they were self centered unapologetic a$$holes. People who won't go and stand up for their kids or other people always have opinions like you.
@@davedismantled that's one specific situation, and even that knob of a counsellor says something very true: you can't beat up every dickhead. In the wider show, Ray sabotages his own relationships because he is quick to violence -- it's basically his answer for everything. He was bullied and overcompensated to become a bully himself. He escalates situations where he feels wronged and involves himself in other people's arguments. Do some of the people he beats up 'deserve' some sort of punishment? For sure. But Ray goes way too far. Ray's gf can't even go for a drive with him or bring him to a family get together without the red mist descending and him doing something terrifying and out of all proportion. (SPOILERS) By the end of the show he's single and living apart from his daughter, and his dog's dead. All self-inflicted (yes even the dog - that spirals from Ray killing a friend or associate who was very respectful towards him).
I read an Interview with Scott Ryan recently, turns out most of these kind of scenes (including his own suicidal thoughts as a kid) are autobiographical … this shit just happened to him as a kid and and it seems like he adds all these forgiving elements to the show, sincere appologies and such, coming to terms with it maybe?
I got beat up by a third grade teacher close to sixty-years ago. I only remember it because I had to repeat third grade because of it. I was a pain in the ass and as a result I got f*cked with by a lot of teachers. I don't remember any of them; their face, names nothing. What I do remember was the *ONE* teacher that actually tried to reach me and get me interested in learning. She succeeded. I looked her up thirty years later to let her know I turned out alright. _(Ok, there is some debate about that,)_ She had given up on teaching before I graduated HS and started working as a copywriter for a big NYC firm and lived in NJ. We talked for a couple of hours at a conference I was presenting at in Philadelphia. The rest of them I wouldn't know if I tripped over them.
@@coolhand1964 Most of mine are too. But the one I chuckle about is the wrestling coach. He sent guys after me to make me wrestle for him. I didn't and neither did they ever again. Anyway, he died about twenty years ago, alone and forgotten. His body sat undiscovered for over six months. Nobody attended his funeral.
Anger management: "How many retired teachers have you bashed, Ray?" Ray: "You ask a lot of questions, like you're in charge. I don't answer questions. Are you a teacher?"
There are people in this world who have no idea how fragile their happy lives are. They've no idea that the distant, forgotten past for them, is still the everyday for someone else, and but for fortunate accident, these two people's lives still remain separate, as of yet intact.
I had a learning disability and thus was the bottom of my class. My teacher was well aware of this and the fact that I was shit scared of my peers socially. He would bring me up in front at the beginning of class knowing I'd struggle to answer the math equation and when I couldn't he's make some smug joke about me and my class would laugh. Towards the end of year 12 I'd just hide in the boys toilets playing snake on my phone until the classes I felt ashamed of came to an end. 23 years later and I still get anxious delivering ideas to the company I work at.
Similar thing happened to me in grade 2. I believe that I was asked to stand up and do something in front of my class. My teacher made fun of me in front of the whole class after she saw that I didn’t know how to do what she’d asked me. Still remember after all these years
I understand i also experienced the same feeling of anxiety in school I still have it from time to time but not to the same extent as it was from that time . Like for example I get anxiety from talking to strangers but now I’m more confident when it comes to talking with people I actually like to challenge myself and more often than usual . I also used to be scared of confrontations. I still am, but then I realize I’m scared of confrontations with people I love and care for, but not for strangers. It be easier. I mean, if somebody’s looking to fight me, I don’t wanna fight, but some part of me wants it more than anything . My advice is finding something that can calm down that anxiety like maybe meditation, hobby , maybe cannabis depending on your location . And that fear of conflict I will admit I still have it for confrontations but I will not back down I will still go for it because it’s less to do with the need to show I am fearless it’s more to do it out of necessity
This is so well written and acted. I was the same in school because had a very troubled home and school was so easy that I never had to work for it. So I acted out and most teachers would instantly dismiss me as worthless while the though-guy acts tried to assert their dominance. Of course this never worked and as a result I was on a first name basis with the janitor from all the detention and school yard cleaning. but every teacher that was hard and fair and treated me with respect I had zero problems with. I too remember all the attempts at breaking me and if I ever got to see an old teacher, I'd definately let them know with the same hint of aggression. And I dont know how I would handle an appology either. "A lot of good it does me now" ... exactely; they changed your life for the worse and "sorry" just does not cut it.
Not to sound too dismissive, but you are right. "Sorry" doesn't cut it for some people, and for others it does. That's what having forgiveness is about. If you can't forgive, such as your situation, then it is still up to you alone to make things right in your mental. If you're sitting around thinking about teachers who were mean to you 30 years ago, you've got much bigger problems than schoolhouse trauma.
The lasting damage thoughtless, mean-spirited adults do to kids... I'm a teacher. I was also the school kid back in the 70s that experienced similar humiliations to Ray. To this day im guided by the fundamental rule that if nothing else kids should feel safe at school. And that applies to all interactions with adults. For some it's likely seven hours of sanctuary from home. You can't then make that sanctuary a place of fear too. And i would hate for any kid to remember me the way I and the character of Ray remember some of our teachers. What a hideous legacy that'd be.
01:00 Something to think about is Ray was probably dragging his feet because he was depressed and/or traumatized. He mentions to Ally being bullied as a kid and self-harming, and his father was physically abusive, so much so that he stopped speaking to him as an adult. So this teacher treating him the way he did wasn't just sensless, it was also insult to literal injury for Ray. No wonder he held on to it for 30 years.
I had a teacher drag me through the school into a kindergarten class coz i messed up my work sheet. All the lil faces looking at me as i was sobbing uncontrollably hiding my humiliation with my hands. I was 6 years old. Students don't forget.
Sadly some adults have no clue how easily they can traumatize kids forever. Instead they do the opposite, they treat kids with less dignity than grown adults. I think this is particularly cruel to sensitive people, some people carry things forever.
I was awful in math. 6th grade teacher had us go to the blackboard and do problems. Always got mine wrong. Got humiliated in front of the class. Really helped.
Those of you talking about not holding on to things may not remember the good old days of cane's, strap's, kickings, slapping and the rest that went on in the seventies. It sticks with you whether its worth it or not.
We had this math teacher in middle school that used to throw the wooded back felt erasers at us. Every once in a while he would miss his intended target. Some innocent kid would get hit in the head. I think its healthy to remember we are surrounded by shitty people.
Yeah, people saying Ray should "let go" are also missing the fact Ray as a kid was getting beat at home, bullied at school and here was this authority figure who's supposed to EDUCATE and lead by example yelled, laughed and bullied him as a kid.
It's amazing and unfortunate that the number of good teachers, who had an impact on me, I can count on three fingers. The ones that were truly a-holes, I don't have enough hands to count.
I must have been lucky, at least a dozen of the teachers I remember had a positive effect on my life. The rest are unmemorable, except one. That one ended up in prison I believe. But that was in the years before politicians and well meaning but inexperienced psychologists became too involved with the how and what to teach.
My fifth grade teacher made it a living hell for me and my parents always believed him no matter what 😮 I swore that I would never be that way if I ever had children and I kept my word and the few teachers (especially male)that pulled that shit with my kids found out I don’t play games like that
I had teachers who picked on me. Now my daughter does. We had to get one fired last year. Remember that when some idiot says "teachers are heroes" or "teachers are underpaid". Morons chant these phrases to virtue signal. Most teachers suck.
Here's a thought for teachers: Never forget that those little kids will one day grow UP to be BIG kids and possible decide to exact retribution... in some way. There's one teacher that bullied me, that if our paths had crossed 10 years later after leaving school... I think I would have been unable to contain my anger. Got over it now. But... another half century and more has rolled by since then. That teacher never did realise how kind Fate was to him.
Dietrich....you r da man. Saved me looking up the episode...snagged and watched it.....top stuff....I need to snag every episode and keep them forever.........hearing ya about how uploaders rarely write the ep number and on reels/shorts etc don't even bother with the name of the show.....cheers from Chiang Mai
Because these channels are extremely low effort. They don't put in any work, just reap the views by re-uploading cut clips from popular shows without adding anything of value.
Ray's right. People do hold on to stuff like this, unfortunately. The notions you put into a small child's mind are very difficult to root out. I used to be a fat kid at a time when it was uncommon so primary school years were quite tough for me. Back in the day even the adults who were complete strangers felt free to express their opinion about a child's look out loud and in public. In my late teens I started swimming and lost the extra wieght, finished a decent school, got a job. I blended into the crowd. Unfortunately, to this day, and I'm in my 40s now, I've not managed to get rid of the notion that I'm different from the "normal" people and that my company is undesireable for them. Never managed to start a family or find friends. Luckily I turned out better than Ray. Learnt to live on my own and don't hold a grudge against anyone - after all we were only a bunch of silly kids. But sometimes I wonder what life would be like if things had gone differently in my early years. I also wonder how many bullies would still be bullies if they knew how badly they are fucking up someone's life just to get a quick laugh.
Sorry to hear you had that experience mate. Glad you have found some peace. I remember I used to do martial arts and one of the adults used to pick on me. Not saying it scared me for life but I still have bad memories of it this day. Like you I'm in my 40s.
@@ianmangham4570 Isn't a dick measuring contest. Sorry you went through that shit dude, that's awful. But don't put another brother down because you think your trauma was worse.
Anyone from the seventies or eighties had a teacher like that!. And before anyone 'kicks off' about teaching 'respect or instilling personal pride'. Some of these bastards went above and beyond in their punishments enjoying it! Which made no difference.. Reinforcing that rebellious behaviour in the child because the child grew to hate authority.
I had two ways of dealing with their BS. Ignore it. That pissed them of even more, but what could they do? The other was to do the extra assignments. Only if I wanted to and I liked the subject. Then I would do a great job on it. That pissed them off too. Eventually they just stopped. I had a few things in my corner that made my _untouchable_ for administrative issues. If my family had wanted to, we could have sued and won big and exposed just how F'd up the district was.
ROGER THAT.. Military School for me (1979-80) Hazing.. BIG TIME🤨 Taken AND given. Long since reigned in because the 'curtains' were drawn back. Of course in some ways it performed a benefit of sorts. "Ray" is a tough bloke as am I. Nowadays? Softies abound and 'predators' lay waiting..
When I was 24 I bumped into a high school teacher, who used to treat me and other kids like shit ten years earlier. I was just having a friendly chat, but it occurred to me only later he was scared shitless. Must’ve realized his attitude wasn’t exactly exemplary and thought I wanted to retaliate.
My HS had a real jerk for a wrestling coach. He needed a natural heavyweight and I was the only one with wrestling experience and didn't look like _Koolaid._ He sent people to _persuade_ me to join the team. I refused. It got messy. Years later I was home on leave from the Navy. I took a date to dinner and ran into him. He saw me and turned pale. I never expected him to apologize, and he never did. But seeing him that unnerved was very gratifying.
Yeah I had some right pricks of teachers, who knows why they are like that? I also had some good teachers. I also had teachers who liked me but were volatile and right pricks to other students.
Nothing wrong with "holding on to shit" when confronted with the same situation.I don't think carrying something with you ALL the time is right but in this situation I wouldnt forgive the person either.
I've taught a lot of little shits in my time, and I was taught by some bullies who hated young people. There were a couple of teachers and tutors who made me.
The writer wrote this to be on the teacher’s side here - Ray’s underlying issue is he cannot let things go, this scene reminds us that sometimes, you just gotta
The whole show is Ray coming to terms with how to balance his mob life and his private life, which is sometimes impossible , hence the title Mr Inbetween. He is getting tired of the violence and is growing emotionally. Its his whole character arc from the beginning of the show and his complete indifference to killing people, to losing his personal relationships over it..
Yea don't think it was. This teacher was nasty with children and now is a principal. He said he didn't remember because he did it all the time why would he remember one incident or one child when he behaved like this with all the children for years. He mentally and verbally abused children and now was in leadership. I do not think the writers wrote this at all on his side. Ray wasn't holding on to this moment or looking for this man. He didn't even recognize him just remembered an awful experience as a child when meeting the man who caused it.
I had a teacher in the fourth grade who threw an eraser at me. She didn't care that I had to wear glasses because they went flying as well. She thought I was dozing off in class but the sun from the window was in my eyes. I never told my parents and it would eat at me for years...
I met an old teacher once, 25 yrs after I finished High School. He was a 1st Grade Rugby Union player and I was 8 stone when wet. He bullied me so much even kids in other classes would joke about it. I was in a line at an ATM and he told me he knew me from somewhere and extended his hand. I shook his hand and hung on, telling him who I was and why he remembered me. Gripping his hand with all the strength I could muster. The difference was that he was now over 60 yrs old and I was now bigger than him. When I did let go he quickly said it was nice to meet me, crossed the street and literally ran as fast as he could down the street to put distance between us. I waited 25 yrs for that, I said to myself as he disappeared off into the distance. Ray is right, it does stay with you. I often wonder if teachers realise how their actions can affect some kids, for the rest of their lives.
@@jasonwhitehead8575 Well, given I was surrounded by witnesses, and a serving Police Officer at the time, it was all I was able to do. As much as I wanted to bounce him into the next week, it was not worth ending my career and going to jail over, was it. Think about it? 🙄
You waited 25 years to show a 60 year old man that you can hurt him because he bullied you? I’m not excusing his behaviour, he’s a piece of shit, but it sounds like you haven’t really grown up since then I’m afraid, no offence. Instead of learning that he was the kind of person you didn’t want to be, and growing from there, you waited 25 years for a petty, ill-conceived form of vengeance. Sounds like you ended up just becoming him, to me - taking out childhood traumas on those who can’t defend themselves. And all this from someone in the police? Not a great look, Luke. I’m not trying to be an asshole, it’s just that you had an opportunity to become better. Something to think about and reflect on.
I bet Ray started to pick his feet up back then. His Dad was no inspiration. Sometimes a teacher can indirectly help you but you don't realize till later.
Yeah maybe....but why was the teacher laughing at Ray along with the 6th grade kids.......nah, this guy was no teacher in the sense that you are trying to make him out to be......
I has a teacher slap me hard across the face and throw me over two desks, all because I was not listening. I was 14 years old. I had no dad and never told my mum. Mr Listo. If only I ran into him in my later years. He was a frustrated poof anyway.
You can easily find him if you really tried. Just search your school and the year you went and your teachers name. He probably doesn't have the same address or is working as a teacher at that school. But I bet he has a linked in account with his new job and info on there.
This was the best episode for me in whole series. We watch this man, we see him as a 'hero' and main character on this show. But this episode shows us that he is nothing special really. There was NO ONE on this whole party that remembered him from school times besides his friend that he came with. No students nor teachers. He wasn't special, he wasn't funny, popular and worth to remember. After that, each episode is just a ride straight down to very sad ending, where he is all alone, without friends, without family.
man your a itch who cares if he was liked at school. your comment isn't valid you was probably a snide at school and a bully and now u get slapped about haha
My brother and I were bullied by the flipping JANITOR in our elementary school who spat out our last name like it was a curse word. I imagine she's dead by now as this was over 40 years ago, but I hope she recognizes me in the afterlife so we can have a little chat. Lol
I had rented a room from a teacher. A functioning alcoholic. I could tell the eighth grade kids in his school had his number. He was a man's man if you will. I do wonder what happened to him. I figure he wrecked his bike (motorcycle) he had his car he had his bicycle. He had inherited from his mom's passing. Bought a motorcycle. He would call a cab home from the bar and have me fetch his bike. I do wonder what happened to him. He was shooting for his masters degree. Teachers don't get the respect they deserve. By In large.
That's because they don't deserve it. In my 12 years of schooling I've had 5 teachers who cared, the rest either didn't care or were outright hostile. Teachers are just losers on a power trip.
I had some seriously shitty teachers. Liars and cheats too. Sadly not a memory, but a hard fact. One got cancer early, another committed suicide, when I was still a young boy - and yes, it made me smile. Today they are just small people to me. Maybe because my life turned out very successfully. Regardless, I will never forget.
@@meibing4912 I understand completely. The fact you seem to have come to terms with it, and even feel like you one upped them, makes me think you dealt with it fine, and no further therapy is necessary. As for the comment above, I wouldn’t worry too much about some individual with a broomstick stuck somewhere, trying to passive - aggressively fuck with you. They will also get what’s coming to them.
@@paulmccarter908its people like you that get upset when life gives people what they finally deserve. Death is a horrible thing but when somebody has treated people like garbage for no reason their whole life and have no remorse, at that point, they deserve whats coming to them. You have no idea how badly people can treat others and if you got your head out from where the sun don't shine then you'd maybe start to pick up on that.
think the lesson is, its better to mind your own business and be kind instead of pissing someone off, if your not careful they could be someone like ray.
@@richard-ni7tp He was minding his own business. He was a school official in a school trying to maintain discipline. Maybe he went too far in his job, but I'll take that guy over a wokie any day. Considering how Ray turned out, maybe he saw something the others didn't. Unfortunately, he didn't have the skillset to fix the problem.
I'm a primary teacher. My principal is authoritarian and mean. She said, in a meeting, 'Be like me,' (to discipline/reproach students). A parent even said I should be more shouty to her son. To both, I said, "No. If I'm mean, and the other teachers are mean, and the principal is mean, then what safe, nurturing refuge does the school provide?" Yes, students get annoying, but if they make me angry or stressed, then that's my emotional response, not theirs.
You are doing the right thing, 100%. I was a shit of a kid at school but if I respected a teacher I was a good kid in their class. Respect came simply from them being human, showing they genuinely care and are present, and maturity.
I was schooled in Scotland in the 70s. I was never a real troublemaker (academically average, strong sense of injustice, went to uni when 8% of British kids did), but on several occasions found myself at the wrong end of a teacher's Lochgelly, a thick leather split-ended strap. It was painful, a bit humiliating in front of peers and ultimately pointless. The point that does count though, I harbour no grudge, it hasn't scarred me, and in fact I became a teacher myself. So Ray, man up ya big bairn!
Respect is a much stronger force than humiliation or physical discipline. The old man is a stiff upper lip Jordie, and he never had to raise his voice to me once in my life becuase afraid of letting him down. He gained a lot of respect from me for that.
Why is always the weak or the ones that commit these acts that try to tell us you have to let it go. The weak can't do anything so they give up. The perpetrators either don't care or don't want retaliation for what they clearly know was wrong.
Nah, it's the opposite. Strong people decide for themselves how their experiences affects them. It's weak people who get their lives dictated to by others and society.
Ray is the weak one, people control him just by being annoying or inconsiderate, he isn't fixing anything by elbowing them or confronting them, he's only digging himself a deeper hole to climb out of (which he never will)
Its so strange watching something you remember alot visually again but mirrored 😂 makes me feel like watching star wars again but mirrored, i can get another 3 trilogies out of it 😂
You're just describing honour culture which a significantly larger portion than 5% of all people practice. Needless to say it isn't actually good at solving anything.
@@GSol17 Honor culture has the downside of hosting people who having a higher baseline level of honor than others (mob factions, national leaders, etc.) who are allowed to abuse their power. The yakuza immediately come to mind.
idk about that. but its also kind of nonsense, you can remember a lot of things, just because you remember something doesn't mean you're "holding onto it"
I hung on - not remembered, hung on to - all kinds of shit for thirty years, until counselling slowly dismantled things. And I think you don’t like what I didn’t like, which is that it’s true.
In this case not really because he doesn't deny it at all and doesn't insultingly say that to him but in my opinion sincerely it's more like he's saying " I'm sorry I can't change that but please try to move on you don't need that on your shoulders" at least that's how I interpreted it
The teacher/principle is right and Ray is wrong. There is a song that Don Henley sings called Heart of the Matter. He sings, "But I think it is about forgiveness." To hold onto it (an offense) only eats you up inside and does no harm to the person who gave you the offense.
I dont think thats always true. Doesnt eat you up inside unless you're reminded of the person. I doubt in the show Ray thought about his humiliation every day of his life but running into the teacher brought those emotions up and helped him overcome the "monster" (and not figuratively) that tormented him as a youth. I'll agree its bad if you think about it everyday but in Ray's case I think it's actually a good thing.
it's not about right or wrong, but ray seems like he's holding on to bullshit done in the past. 30,40 years old stuff. like when he hold on to whatever his dad did to him when he's a child. his dad was fucked up after vietnam war. his brother ask him to let go, feel the weight taken off your shoulder. when ray finally let go, the series is over. he move on, nothing else holding him down. the end....?
I do believe that smoking is not healthy. However, I notice that something strange is going on - smoking is decleared not just leading cause of lung cancer, but also significant contributor to many more types of cancers. In the Netherlands, where I live, anti - smoking campaign of the last couple of decades was remarkably effective - hardly anyone is smoking any more. Yet, instead of noticeable lowering of the cancer rates, oppositie is happening - cancer cases dramatically increased last years. It is now number one cause of death. And countries with many more smokers, such as France, Greece, Italy, whole South and East of Europe, don't have more cancers then The Netherlands.
@@milanmarinkovic3016 The effects of smoking on health can take decades to manifest. So, even if smoking rates have decreased, the impact of past smoking habits may still be contributing to cancer cases. Google "Trends in per capita cigarette consumption and age-standardized lung cancer death rates in the US. Adapted from American Cancer Society (2013)" and look at the images.
@@milanmarinkovic3016 Maybe an explanation would be competing causes of death. People smoking not only get cancer, predominantly lung cancer, but suffer strokes, infections, heart attacks. Not smoking may increase the healthy life, therefore enabling cancer to become a cause of death more often, but later in life. So let's look at the average life-span? To add confusion, if other factors like chemicals in new stuff reduce the average life-span, you would not find out the effect of not smoking by looking at the life-span.
My 6th class teacher didn't like me one bit and often humiliated me in front of the entire class by slapping the back of my legs while shouting in my face. When in 1st form at high school I was walking past my old public school when he was outside. He asked me "How's high school?" as if the turd gave a shit. Without thinking I said "Better than this dump". He jumped through the fence and slapped me around while shouting in my face. He then rang my parents and told them a pack of bullshit so I copped a flogging from my father when I got home. I was small for my age and a year ahead - I was just 11yo. Fast forward several years and I'd grown to over 6'2", 90kg and fighting fit. Standing at the crowded bar of my local pub, pissed as a parrot, I recognised my former abuser. "I know you! Let's go outside for a minute so I can show you why it's a bad idea to abuse little kids." Well what a reaction I received. The spineless wonder started screaming at the top of his lungs crying for the staff to ring the police. Not expecting such an hysterical response I turned my back and pretended to be engaged in a conversation with two older tradies sitting at the bar to my other side. One of the two recently hired bouncers came running over and tried to calm the weak prick down. I'd been suss of the new bouncers from day one and was delighted to overhear the bouncer telling the spineless wonder that HE was a cop and out of the corner of my eye he flashed his wallet that I presumed held his badge. Well well well. Coppers weren't allowed to hold a second job, especially not in licensed premises, so the next day I rang Internal Affairs. Dirty coppers were totally corrupt back then [The year previously 21 Division bashed me at Chatswood police station for 2 1/2 hours while I was tripping off my head. They never hassled me again because they all knew that they couldn't make me talk] Unalived two birds with one stone that night. Got rid of two undercover cops who were playing bouncer and sweeter still, I scared the absolute living crap out of my childhood abuser. 😁 'A coward dies a thousand deaths' - the fear of a flogging is way worse than an actual flogging. Over the next couple of decades I crossed paths with the gutless thing. I'd feel eyes on me and turn to see teacher looking at me with terror in his eyes. Didn't have to lift a finger, my piercing glare and a step in his direction was enough 🤣
Like Ray has any room to judge anyone else for their actions. And btw, a teacher told him to pick his feet up, and he decided to be sarcastic back. So yea, he got taught a lesson! Cry me a river now.
Yeah, like that’s kind of what I was, wth. You made me walk without dragging my feet and….I just kill people…. And back 40 years ago, I was corrected for not walking straight:”Young man, the National Geographic show mentioned humans separated from simians 100 million years ago, don’t you think 100 million plus your age, should be enough time for you not to walk like a monkey?” I was embarrassed, and I also stopped walking like a darn monkey. That was the darn point, to be embarrassed of doing something wrong. But, surely this particular plot appeals to the butterfly generation.
@@Roboto129 A fun fact for everyone else is that this person is from the country which has had so many school shootings their Wikipedia articles, plural, is split up into shootings pre-2000 and shootings post-2000. But hey, bastardisation worked for this loser. I'm sure it'll keep going just fine.
@@_shades_ He embarrassed him for being a little shit and mocking the teacher's authority. Not nipping those things in the bud is what leads to kids being out-of-control in schools.
I like the idea of Ray's character. From what little he talks about his childhood, it seems he was a very weak and awkward kid. Bullied and taken advantage of. He compesated by growing into the complete opposite as an adult. A very strong, capable, skilled man who makes sure he's always multiple steps ahead of people. But you get the sense he is deeply traumatized by his childhood, as I do agree with the teacher here that holding on to that for 30 years is a bit much. He harbors a lot of pent up anger from his days of being taken advantage of. Usually when you see badass characters like this, their childhood is always this over the top origin. Ray was just an awkward kid who eventually had enough. This even applies to his look. I wouldn't say he looks like a pushover, but he more so looks like a pretty normal, everyday guy. Not jacked, or even that tall. A lot of the guys he takes down look bigger and more intimidating than him. His look reminds me of Sam Lake as Max Payne. A pretty average looking guy with a creepy smile that you really don't want as an enemy. It really adds to the grounded nature of his character.
A lot of people stay awkward. Beware wolves in sheep's clothes. Some of the softies of this world are some of the worst adapted liars and psychopaths.
Na.. shit interpretation
@@MrPopo-nn7kp What’s the real interpretation?
@@carpballet it sure what the real interpretation is, but there are sheep who turned into wolves and sheep who like to now pretend they are wolves but don’t really believe it
@abdosimon Nap time for you Mr Bot.
Beat at home, bullied at school, and picked on by teachers - “a child rejected by the village will burn it down just to feel it’s warmth” - is a quote I love
This former teacher talks real talk and offers sincere apology
Ray respects that
Respects it......and maybe that saved the teacher. You got the impression that Ray was waiting for the guy to apologize...and deciding whether to spare him.
@@sjames304 yeh, you get that feeling from the scene. Like he’s on the edge of death if he says the wrong thing. Which highlights how fked up Ray really is, where any slight to him that crosses his moral line makes it open season for him to dish out any level of violence up to and including murder, in order to gain retribution. It’s great to stand up to yourself, but if everyone had rays moral compass we would be purging each other all year round!😂 sometimes you just gotta let it go
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I don’t think Ray would ever be so petty as to hurt someone who isn’t a threat over a 30 y.o. bullying history
But he wouldn’t miss the opportunity to speak his mind
That teacher's apology saved him
Not really because he said it, but because he meant it, and Ray knew it.
"The hammer forgets, but the nail always remembers."
Something something axe, tree. But plenty of trees have dealt with worse and just kept growing. It's still up to the person how they deal with their experiences, whether they grow from them or wilt.
@@obliviouz I love this, hope many people read this and it benefits them
Nails remember do they lol
The nail is weak, get stronger
@@BEARDEDSLOTH802 you're a weirdo mate hahaha
The axe forgets but the tree remembers
What if the axe that forgets, has it's handle, from the tree that remembers?
At least the guy apologised most would try to justify it
It probably saved his life
A genuine apology
I don't think Ray would have killed him@@David-iy1zt
I'm 39 and still remember the teachers who used to do things like this
the actors in this show are 100% true actors.... this show should be 1st class and world known, brilliant to the core.......
The teacher could read the room. He could just see that Ray was a ticking time bomb just waiting to go off. The teacher defused that situation like a boss.
Exactly. People wanna act like Ray is the one that is always in control and two steps ahead. Well in this instance it was actually the teacher who masterfully handled that situation and prevented Ray and his fragile ego from being irked into doing something heinous to him.
I think the teacher just legitimately felt sorry. His apology didn't seem coerced by fear of retaliation, more like he saw how much it deeply hurt Ray and it, in turn, hurt him to see his own negative effect in someone else's life.
Ray loves saying he operates on respect, but he actually operates on fear. Whenever people treated him with real respect, and real respect comes from a place where fear does not go, Ray always looked lost and uncomfortable.
Such an interesting show. I think lesser writers would make Ray beat the hell out of the teacher in vengeance, make the audience applause, establish Ray as a bad ass etc.
This doesn't. It makes you sit through the awkwardness, makes you think about why prick teachers act the way they are.
I have been thinking about watching this show for some time. Fully agree with your comment. It looks like a really well-written scene.
He avoided the "beat the snot out of your childhood bully" trap, he also avoided the " it's all good now "/ trap . It's s super grounded with so many life-like little nuances
- there is the hurt. Real. When you're a kid this kind of .... can really traumatize you if there isnt an adult to guide you through it.
-There is the additional "insult to injury " of the guy not EVEN remembering it which is unfortunately very real : our perception/memory of those kind of incident WILDLY vary.
-There is the apology which reminds that people can mature.
-And the reveal that even though he was technically an adult and a teacher , this guy was actually just as insecure as the kid.
-There is the bitter comeback that all the excuse in the world doesnt change anything about the psychological damage it caused Ray.
-there is the this idea that Ray is mostly poisoning himself after 30 years by holding onto it. Which is really rich coming from the bully... but also a harsh truth.
-there is the overall awkwardness that reminds us that no matter how well-intentioned people are, two adults dont have to get along. Those two are never going to be friends. They just somewhat settled the score to better pursue their own journey in life.
- and overall there is the lack of physical retaliation while deliberately making this drag : it suggests that although he's very passive agressive about it , in spite of all, by choosing to stay here, Ray does find some sort of partial closure / catharsis in FINALLY getting some answer and a sorry.
Really well-written human moment. I am really not too fond of hitman stories but I kinda feel like I am going to have to give it a go. That's some real good writing.
whoever acted the part of th eteacher is fantastic. The small gestures, the facial expressions are all perfect.
I think the line that convinced Ray was when he said he kinda got scared when dealing with kids. Ray was dealing at the time with Britt change in behavior because she was turning into a teenager and he was regularly getting pissed, one could totally relate. I like that it wasn't just a random line in the show, but it follows up every scene we had with Britt and how Ray struggled to get closer to her in season3.
The power of being able to say, "I did that, and it was wrong." You can even add, "Is there anything I can do to make it right?" It changes everything.
It doesn’t change everything. It’s not a small feat, either.
That apology saved his life
What kind of people would we be if everyone held lifelong grudges against one another? Leave the past where it belongs in the past and don't become a victim.
@@StuartMiller-l1l Holding onto a grudge for an understandable reason doesn’t make somebody a victim. You might as well be calling veterans “constant victims” with that logic due to their PTSD.
At this point, Rey realized the former teacher was human too.
Interesting how the teacher/principal shows "dominance" over Ray - he's calm, unfazed, direct and rarely breaks his gaze on him. Meanwhile, Ray is fidgety, uneasy, keeps looking away in discomfort and shows a lot of expectancy after his statements. Despite the years, the dynamics have not changed, he still has authority over him.
It also displays how Ray knows how to operate on power and fear, but not on the respect he always talks about. The teacher engages in full, clear honesty and genuine repentance, not motivated by intimidation despite Ray's ominous comments, and Ray just looks lost and uncomfortable. This isn't some tough guy getting cute or a chump trying to talk his way out of a beating. This is a man, looking him straight in the eyes, and talking to him without pretence, pomp or condescension. And Ray has no idea how to process it.
Spot on.
That's pretty shit take. Of course he doesn't faze because he doesn't remember shit. Just like bullies always says they were young and dumb to justify their actions. It's different for those who ACTUALLY remembers and affected by it.
@@tuduki5545 he is absolutely talking without pretence, he acknowledges as soon as ray talks to him that he used to be a hard-ass and clearly has some guilt about it
he admits not remembering it and it's true, he's not said he was young or dumb, he gave absolutely no justification or excuse other than when he started he was scared and thought he had to be a hard-ass
he tried to look ray in the eye and apologise as earnestly as he could, i mean from his point of view he doesn't remember this he doesn't even know if it's real
but he still gives the guy a genuine apology, tries to look in his eyes and tries to shake his hand
there's no more he can do
he can't go back and take it away, he can only look the man in his eyes, say he was wrong and offer him an apology
An insightful comment. Never thought about it that way. 🤔
so fuckin true. anything done or said by a teacher, can be remembered eternally, good or bad.
School years, especially primary school we're all like sponges. We're made or broken in those years by out environment, school is a large part of what we soak in.
I've taught some phenomenally toxic kids in my time - one or two were literally the worst humans I've met in my life - but I decided several years ago to never shout at my students or do anything like that (unless someone is in actual danger). Even if it's the most awful kid in the world, losing your composure just means they win the mind game they are playing with you. Just be kind, so that the good kids feel looked after and for the horrible ones just be consistent with consequences but never let them make you lose your temper.
This scene hit hard for me. I had this problem with teachers myself at school. It was a respect thing for me. If I was asked politely and treated with respect, there was never a problem... but too many teachers spoke to me like I was worthless and they had some sort of God given right to speak to me as if I was a lower form of life which often prompted me to lose my temper and swear at them. Received a few suspensions as a result. Even as an adult, I still have the same principals. Give a man respect, you get respect back. It's that simple.
I couldn't agree more
True that. Respect should be mutual. If someone breaks that mutual respect then, I of course think it has to be re-earned; but respect for one another should always start off mutual.
@@Hadrian9707 Yes.
Amen to that
Discipline isn't bad when it's measured. Interactions need to be more than yelling and humiliation. Respect fools when they aren't foolish. Make sure they see it.
And if you can't respect them, at least don't disrespect them. Civility goes a loooooong way.
This strikes a chord with me. People don’t remember but their actions are often never forgotten…..by the people they affect
I have to say i side with ray here. Im an ugly person was ugly as a kid. I know i don't look good. I once had a teacher put me in a corner for talking during class. There was a mirror in the corner. He knew i was bullied for being ugly. He told me not to crack the mirror with my looks. Its been 30 years. That stays with you. And much like ray i joined the army and became someone who could hurt others. Now unlike ray I don't let anger rule me. But i understand the hurt
Well, you're not ugly on the inside, that holds more weight than your looks. We all look the same when we die anyway.
Sorry to hear that bro.im 40 myself.anyone who says "let it go",just doesn't want to deal with it.feelings are for life.hope alls good man.
That’s fckin horrible mate. Good thing is when ya older most adults care more about what’s beneath the skin. Coming from someone who had their friggin top lip bitten off by a dog haa it was a real sweet lip back in the day too. Bothered me a lot at first but things could be worse, cudda been ma neck 😅
Very few of we men look like a young Brad Pitt or Clint Eastwood. Most men are very average looking and your looks don't improve with age.
People remember how you treat them. Thirty years or no thirty years!
The comments here are stupid. Ray absolutely could have clocked him, even killed him. But it takes a man to apologise, and even more of a man to accept it and call it square. They aren't gonna be friends, but after all this it's cathartic to finally confront the guy and get an "I'm sorry" back
You realise it's a fictional television show
Back in those days parents and teachers were very strict..
Ray would be in jail for the rest of his life and rightly so.
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This show does such a good job of deep diving into the issues that even a lesser important side character holds. This teacher here was scared of dealing with kids. He couldn't take the stress or how careful he had to be.
He basically didn't understand children well enough. Being tough was his defense. Ray has a habit of holding on to things, that leads him to be violent, as well as empathetic.
All of that, in just under five minutes.
Gold.
Why are people acting like he was planning to kill the guy? He had a grievance, they talked it out, shook hands and then went their separate ways (the part the uploader cut out).
What if the guy had not apologized, though?
@@synthonaplinth5980 Ray wouldn't have done anything, he's not a psychopath
Thanks for saying this, from Italy, watching this i looked forward but may have struggled to find the outcome. About the "what if", revenge may kill the beasts outside, but it's the ghosts inside that one has to sort out or might stay with the sh*t forever.
@@covalentbond7933hahaha ok
@@covalentbond7933 Psychopath is no longer and accepted medical definition. Ray is a Sociopath.
Every childhood , lasts a lifetime.
Profound.
I like Tom Robbins take:
“It’s never too late to have a happy childhood”.
when is nice you laugh at the memories, when is tough you cry remember it
I watched this episode last night. It was about Ray learning to find room for forgiveness, something that echoed from the season prior where his brother Bruce encourages him to search for it in his heart. In the following seconds of this scene Ray shakes this old teacher's hand; forgiving him and ridding himself of the old grudge. This scene links nicely to his relationship with his father who beat him and his brother as children. In the same episode, he has a conversation with his father who tries to explain to Ray his experiences in Vietnam and how he wished he knew the person he was before it. The two scenes are a powerful masterpiece that sheds light into Ray's background which created the hardened exterior he often possesses, his hatred towards bullies, and why he does violent things to violent and bad people.
Seriously, I need to watch this show for real and not just randomly watching shorts that show up. The writing and the way he acts is so raw and natural. He conveys a very intimidating demeanor without having to get all threatening or egotistical. This scene is very powerful as so many people have experienced a similar situation. For your authority or someone who has been overbearing to you in the past to open up and be vulnerable like that and also apologise is what it takes to be a true man. So many hurt people will then use that pain to hurt and destroy those they come in contact with. Becoming the monster you once feared. Let your guard down and meet eye to eye with your fellow man, you will be much happier and will generally carry a much nicer energy to be around. It may save your life 😂😂
mate YOU ARE GOING TO LOVE THIS SHOW!!! The only downside is that there's not more of it. It is totally and utterly a stupendous watch. I'll even guarantee you'll love watching it.
Yeah am the same am trying to watch less clips cos there ruining the shows I want to watch
Matthewz62 watch the clips... it won't take away from your enjoyment of the show when you watch it.... it's EPIC!👌🤟🫠
@@bcm0022009 I think it will. You get information that you would otherwise wonder about in the actual show. Coming from someone who is also only watching the clips because I don't have disney+
its worth it
Interesting that a guy called "Shoesmith" was "dragging his feet" at school. That kind of writing feels intentional. It implies that Ray wasn't functioning properly, or growing to do what he was supposed to. Instead of this guy asking why he was dragging his feat, he mocked him. Great writing.
Kind of. The teacher yelled at him for dragging his feet, so Ray decided to walk like a dinosaur instead so he made himself look stupid 3 times over. Once for dragging his feet, walking like a dinosaur, then walking like a dinosaur in front of 6 year olds.
@@kubabooba548 Year 6, not 6 year olds. Big difference.
The teacher was describing Ray.
Well, that turned out waaayyy better than I thought it would.
respect and apologies go a long way
Never forget even a late sincere apology is still an apology.
Saying sorry is a starting point of healing.
LIke the teacher said: "if you hang on to shit for that long, can't be good for you".
I agree that has power. It’s apart of healing
Too little
too late.
Sometimes you don’t get to choose what sticks with you. You can try to limit how much you actively dwell on things, and try to focus on the good in life, but stuff like that shapes you and it’s impossible to fully forget. When people say to ‘let it go’ they act like that’s not what you want most in the world. I wish so much not to have been shaped and impacted by the people who mistreated me, but that’s not the world I live in.
You can say that again lol
You read my mind, when you are mentally and physically abused for years as a child, it fucks with your mind, it's easy for people who have never experienced it to tell you how you're supposed to handle it. It's always in the back of my mind but I reassure myself the good LORD above will bring justice to all. Stay strong and God Bless Ya, just laugh when thinking about how sad, pathetic and weak the ugly Demons where that hurt us, it helps me
Well said, my friend...well said. I'm cursed with an excellent memory. So yeah...
That's a very mature conversation everyone should have at least once
Ray actually says “you gotta be careful how you treat people,” with zero sense of self-awareness. That’s why I love this show, they weren’t afraid to make Ray a deeply sympathetic character in one scene, and then have him demonstrate grotesque obliviousness to his own flaws in another.
Even apart from his job as a contract killer, Ray routinely escalates common misunderstandings, accidents, and petty conflicts into violent situations, and then usually uses violence to deal with any fallout that occurs as well. The second someone crosses his very personal and arbitrary line of respect, he essentially considers it open season on them. He’s hung on to every instance he was ever disrespected or humiliated in his life, to the point that he allows them to make him incredibly insecure in a very specific and self destructive way. He loses friends and relationships because he only knows how to deal with insecurity through violence, and then convinces himself that acting on that insecurity is righteous because “you can’t let bullies get away with it!”
It’s incredible character writing, and it’s deeply unfortunate that bad media literacy has essentially turned him into the ideal for bitter, divorced dads in the same way Rick Sanchez is for performative nihilist STEM-types.
This is the best critique I’ve ever seen of Ray’s character and you hit the nail right on the head. It’s unfortunate that 99% of UA-cam comments I see on these videos justify or even idolize Ray’s actions, when in reality half of his run-ins with (non-criminal) people are unnecessarily escalated into violence.
@@mairuzo I love the show and the character and it always really annoys me when I see people use both just to validate their own sense of aggrieved entitlement.
I believe it is somewhat a case of irony, that the former teacher acted out of fear, and in doing so seems to have 'created' Ray, who does NOT act out of FEAR...but instills it in others! Much like with those who are abused, do the same to others, and the cycle continues.
However, as Ray has the power, or skill, call it what you will, to impose his will upon others, and to be either the 'Devil', or an 'Angel', the "careful how you treat others" line is very poignant as one could argue that the likes of Adolf Hitler came about from childhood bullying, and what would the world have become, and how many lives would not have ended, was this not to have been the case. Can a butterflies wings really cause a cyclone on the other side of the world?
@@mairuzo You know why people are a$$holes,right? Let's take the ice cream scene with his daughter. A proper human would apologize and offer to buy the little girl another ice cream... but no, they were self centered unapologetic a$$holes. People who won't go and stand up for their kids or other people always have opinions like you.
@@davedismantled that's one specific situation, and even that knob of a counsellor says something very true: you can't beat up every dickhead.
In the wider show, Ray sabotages his own relationships because he is quick to violence -- it's basically his answer for everything. He was bullied and overcompensated to become a bully himself. He escalates situations where he feels wronged and involves himself in other people's arguments. Do some of the people he beats up 'deserve' some sort of punishment? For sure. But Ray goes way too far. Ray's gf can't even go for a drive with him or bring him to a family get together without the red mist descending and him doing something terrifying and out of all proportion.
(SPOILERS)
By the end of the show he's single and living apart from his daughter, and his dog's dead. All self-inflicted (yes even the dog - that spirals from Ray killing a friend or associate who was very respectful towards him).
I read an Interview with Scott Ryan recently, turns out most of these kind of scenes (including his own suicidal thoughts as a kid) are autobiographical … this shit just happened to him as a kid and and it seems like he adds all these forgiving elements to the show, sincere appologies and such, coming to terms with it maybe?
yes. I read that he actually was a hitman and this show is basically a biop
What a load of shit
I got beat up by a third grade teacher close to sixty-years ago. I only remember it because I had to repeat third grade because of it. I was a pain in the ass and as a result I got f*cked with by a lot of teachers. I don't remember any of them; their face, names nothing.
What I do remember was the *ONE* teacher that actually tried to reach me and get me interested in learning.
She succeeded.
I looked her up thirty years later to let her know I turned out alright. _(Ok, there is some debate about that,)_ She had given up on teaching before I graduated HS and started working as a copywriter for a big NYC firm and lived in NJ. We talked for a couple of hours at a conference I was presenting at in Philadelphia.
The rest of them I wouldn't know if I tripped over them.
Out of probably 50 teachers, I had two good ones.
I had a similar experience. I take comfort in the fact that most, or all, of them are dead now.
@@coolhand1964 Most of mine are too. But the one I chuckle about is the wrestling coach. He sent guys after me to make me wrestle for him. I didn't and neither did they ever again. Anyway, he died about twenty years ago, alone and forgotten. His body sat undiscovered for over six months. Nobody attended his funeral.
Anger management: "How many retired teachers have you bashed, Ray?"
Ray: "You ask a lot of questions, like you're in charge. I don't answer questions. Are you a teacher?"
"Again I'm sorry for the mean lesson, but I bet you don't drag your feet when you walk anymore."
There are people in this world who have no idea how fragile their happy lives are. They've no idea that the distant, forgotten past for them, is still the everyday for someone else, and but for fortunate accident, these two people's lives still remain separate, as of yet intact.
Well said. (I wonder what they edited).
I had a learning disability and thus was the bottom of my class. My teacher was well aware of this and the fact that I was shit scared of my peers socially. He would bring me up in front at the beginning of class knowing I'd struggle to answer the math equation and when I couldn't he's make some smug joke about me and my class would laugh. Towards the end of year 12 I'd just hide in the boys toilets playing snake on my phone until the classes I felt ashamed of came to an end. 23 years later and I still get anxious delivering ideas to the company I work at.
Similar thing happened to me in grade 2. I believe that I was asked to stand up and do something in front of my class. My teacher made fun of me in front of the whole class after she saw that I didn’t know how to do what she’d asked me. Still remember after all these years
I understand i also experienced the same feeling of anxiety in school I still have it from time to time but not to the same extent as it was from that time . Like for example I get anxiety from talking to strangers but now I’m more confident when it comes to talking with people I actually like to challenge myself and more often than usual . I also used to be scared of confrontations. I still am, but then I realize I’m scared of confrontations with people I love and care for, but not for strangers. It be easier. I mean, if somebody’s looking to fight me, I don’t wanna fight, but some part of me wants it more than anything . My advice is finding something that can calm down that anxiety like maybe meditation, hobby , maybe cannabis depending on your location . And that fear of conflict I will admit I still have it for confrontations but I will not back down I will still go for it because it’s less to do with the need to show I am fearless it’s more to do it out of necessity
This is so well written and acted. I was the same in school because had a very troubled home and school was so easy that I never had to work for it. So I acted out and most teachers would instantly dismiss me as worthless while the though-guy acts tried to assert their dominance. Of course this never worked and as a result I was on a first name basis with the janitor from all the detention and school yard cleaning. but every teacher that was hard and fair and treated me with respect I had zero problems with. I too remember all the attempts at breaking me and if I ever got to see an old teacher, I'd definately let them know with the same hint of aggression. And I dont know how I would handle an appology either. "A lot of good it does me now" ... exactely; they changed your life for the worse and "sorry" just does not cut it.
Not to sound too dismissive, but you are right. "Sorry" doesn't cut it for some people, and for others it does. That's what having forgiveness is about. If you can't forgive, such as your situation, then it is still up to you alone to make things right in your mental. If you're sitting around thinking about teachers who were mean to you 30 years ago, you've got much bigger problems than schoolhouse trauma.
The lasting damage thoughtless, mean-spirited adults do to kids... I'm a teacher. I was also the school kid back in the 70s that experienced similar humiliations to Ray. To this day im guided by the fundamental rule that if nothing else kids should feel safe at school. And that applies to all interactions with adults. For some it's likely seven hours of sanctuary from home. You can't then make that sanctuary a place of fear too. And i would hate for any kid to remember me the way I and the character of Ray remember some of our teachers. What a hideous legacy that'd be.
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Something to think about is Ray was probably dragging his feet because he was depressed and/or traumatized. He mentions to Ally being bullied as a kid and self-harming, and his father was physically abusive, so much so that he stopped speaking to him as an adult. So this teacher treating him the way he did wasn't just sensless, it was also insult to literal injury for Ray.
No wonder he held on to it for 30 years.
I had a teacher drag me through the school into a kindergarten class coz i messed up my work sheet. All the lil faces looking at me as i was sobbing uncontrollably hiding my humiliation with my hands. I was 6 years old. Students don't forget.
I'm so sorry that happened to you.
Sadly some adults have no clue how easily they can traumatize kids forever. Instead they do the opposite, they treat kids with less dignity than grown adults. I think this is particularly cruel to sensitive people, some people carry things forever.
Karma is a bitch and it's coming for all of us.
Don’t hold onto it, it isn’t worth it, not really. It feels like it’s worth it, I know, but it isn’t,
What happens to us in childhood stays with us forever,no matter what.
I saw nuns beat on students and I had a football coach who beat on players. People do carry that around for many years.
I was awful in math. 6th grade teacher had us go to the blackboard and do problems. Always got mine wrong. Got humiliated in front of the class. Really helped.
That's good a form of hazing. :)
Those of you talking about not holding on to things may not remember the good old days of cane's, strap's, kickings, slapping and the rest that went on in the seventies. It sticks with you whether its worth it or not.
We had this math teacher in middle school that used to throw the wooded back felt erasers at us. Every once in a while he would miss his intended target. Some innocent kid would get hit in the head. I think its healthy to remember we are surrounded by shitty people.
they still used the canes in the 90's
Yeah, people saying Ray should "let go" are also missing the fact Ray as a kid was getting beat at home, bullied at school and here was this authority figure who's supposed to EDUCATE and lead by example yelled, laughed and bullied him as a kid.
It's amazing and unfortunate that the number of good teachers, who had an impact on me, I can count on three fingers.
The ones that were truly a-holes, I don't have enough hands to count.
I must have been lucky, at least a dozen of the teachers I remember had a positive effect on my life. The rest are unmemorable, except one. That one ended up in prison I believe.
But that was in the years before politicians and well meaning but inexperienced psychologists became too involved with the how and what to teach.
My fifth grade teacher made it a living hell for me and my parents always believed him no matter what 😮 I swore that I would never be that way if I ever had children and I kept my word and the few teachers (especially male)that pulled that shit with my kids found out I don’t play games like that
I had teachers who picked on me. Now my daughter does. We had to get one fired last year. Remember that when some idiot says "teachers are heroes" or "teachers are underpaid". Morons chant these phrases to virtue signal. Most teachers suck.
Yeah a Softy who almost got the Death Grin!!
So close!
Holy SMOKE 😳(💀)
Quiet possibly the greatest show ever!!!! Incredible 🎉
Old dude had no idea how close to death he was treading.
A meeting between Ray and Anton Chigurh would be interesting
So, did Ray stop dragging his feet after that?
Here's a thought for teachers: Never forget that those little kids will one day grow UP to be BIG kids and possible decide to exact retribution... in some way. There's one teacher that bullied me, that if our paths had crossed 10 years later after leaving school... I think I would have been unable to contain my anger. Got over it now. But... another half century and more has rolled by since then. That teacher never did realise how kind Fate was to him.
I hear that.
The most important part, the end of the scene, is missing. And why does no uploader ever put the episode number (S03E06 btw.) in the description?
Why? What happened next?
Dietrich....you r da man. Saved me looking up the episode...snagged and watched it.....top stuff....I need to snag every episode and keep them forever.........hearing ya about how uploaders rarely write the ep number and on reels/shorts etc don't even bother with the name of the show.....cheers from Chiang Mai
@@Ulbre so what happened next?
Because these channels are extremely low effort. They don't put in any work, just reap the views by re-uploading cut clips from popular shows without adding anything of value.
Ray's right. People do hold on to stuff like this, unfortunately. The notions you put into a small child's mind are very difficult to root out. I used to be a fat kid at a time when it was uncommon so primary school years were quite tough for me. Back in the day even the adults who were complete strangers felt free to express their opinion about a child's look out loud and in public. In my late teens I started swimming and lost the extra wieght, finished a decent school, got a job. I blended into the crowd. Unfortunately, to this day, and I'm in my 40s now, I've not managed to get rid of the notion that I'm different from the "normal" people and that my company is undesireable for them. Never managed to start a family or find friends. Luckily I turned out better than Ray. Learnt to live on my own and don't hold a grudge against anyone - after all we were only a bunch of silly kids. But sometimes I wonder what life would be like if things had gone differently in my early years. I also wonder how many bullies would still be bullies if they knew how badly they are fucking up someone's life just to get a quick laugh.
Sorry to hear you had that experience mate. Glad you have found some peace. I remember I used to do martial arts and one of the adults used to pick on me. Not saying it scared me for life but I still have bad memories of it this day. Like you I'm in my 40s.
That ain't shite 😅 ,I was constantly half drowned and tortured daily as a kid by my older brother 😅
@@ianmangham4570 Isn't a dick measuring contest. Sorry you went through that shit dude, that's awful. But don't put another brother down because you think your trauma was worse.
For some people it somehow is@bobdylan9004
That's true. I am more careful of what I do and say to younger people
Anyone from the seventies or eighties had a teacher like that!. And before anyone 'kicks off' about teaching 'respect or instilling personal pride'. Some of these bastards went above and beyond in their punishments enjoying it! Which made no difference.. Reinforcing that rebellious behaviour in the child because the child grew to hate authority.
Nothing good about them. But adversity builds character and resilience, whether or not that's the lesson being taught.
@@obliviouzbro stop spamming nonsense. We get it. You’re proud of being a shitty little bully. Good for you. Bye.
@@obliviouzNot when it's physically brutal just for the fucking fun of it for them!.
I had two ways of dealing with their BS. Ignore it. That pissed them of even more, but what could they do? The other was to do the extra assignments. Only if I wanted to and I liked the subject. Then I would do a great job on it. That pissed them off too. Eventually they just stopped.
I had a few things in my corner that made my _untouchable_ for administrative issues. If my family had wanted to, we could have sued and won big and exposed just how F'd up the district was.
ROGER THAT.. Military School for me (1979-80) Hazing.. BIG TIME🤨 Taken AND given. Long since reigned in because the 'curtains' were drawn back. Of course in some ways it performed a benefit of sorts. "Ray" is a tough bloke as am I. Nowadays? Softies abound and 'predators' lay waiting..
When I was 24 I bumped into a high school teacher, who used to treat me and other kids like shit ten years earlier. I was just having a friendly chat, but it occurred to me only later he was scared shitless. Must’ve realized his attitude wasn’t exactly exemplary and thought I wanted to retaliate.
My HS had a real jerk for a wrestling coach. He needed a natural heavyweight and I was the only one with wrestling experience and didn't look like _Koolaid._ He sent people to _persuade_ me to join the team. I refused. It got messy. Years later I was home on leave from the Navy. I took a date to dinner and ran into him. He saw me and turned pale.
I never expected him to apologize, and he never did. But seeing him that unnerved was very gratifying.
@@nautifella Let me guess, you became a Bosun.
Yeah I had some right pricks of teachers, who knows why they are like that? I also had some good teachers. I also had teachers who liked me but were volatile and right pricks to other students.
Nothing wrong with "holding on to shit" when confronted with the same situation.I don't think carrying something with you ALL the time is right but in this situation I wouldnt forgive the person either.
why not. time doesn't stop. you should not stop either.
They act like that’s a choice. Giving people cause for psychotic hatred and expect them to be dalai lama
I've taught a lot of little shits in my time, and I was taught by some bullies who hated young people. There were a couple of teachers and tutors who made me.
The writer wrote this to be on the teacher’s side here - Ray’s underlying issue is he cannot let things go, this scene reminds us that sometimes, you just gotta
The whole show is Ray coming to terms with how to balance his mob life and his private life, which is sometimes impossible , hence the title Mr Inbetween. He is getting tired of the violence and is growing emotionally. Its his whole character arc from the beginning of the show and his complete indifference to killing people, to losing his personal relationships over it..
@@gregdziewit6945kinda like Barry
Yea don't think it was. This teacher was nasty with children and now is a principal. He said he didn't remember because he did it all the time why would he remember one incident or one child when he behaved like this with all the children for years. He mentally and verbally abused children and now was in leadership. I do not think the writers wrote this at all on his side. Ray wasn't holding on to this moment or looking for this man. He didn't even recognize him just remembered an awful experience as a child when meeting the man who caused it.
Amen
The writer is the guy who plays ray !!!! One in the same 😮😮
Historical crimes .
I had a teacher in the fourth grade who threw an eraser at me. She didn't care that I had to wear glasses because they went flying as well.
She thought I was dozing off in class but the sun from the window was in my eyes. I never told my parents and it would eat at me for years...
We used to have chalk and dusters flying back in my school plus get belts countless times.
Abusers often say "you gotta let go of that" when they sense that their abused now has an advantage. That often happens with me.
Chronically abused or perpetual victim mentality?
@@Alexander-w7h Too many hypocritical types.
the teacher is absolutely right in this scene tho lol
It gets close to them being stuck with something - having to admit they have flaws. That they'll get their praise cut off from them.
I met an old teacher once, 25 yrs after I finished High School. He was a 1st Grade Rugby Union player and I was 8 stone when wet. He bullied me so much even kids in other classes would joke about it.
I was in a line at an ATM and he told me he knew me from somewhere and extended his hand. I shook his hand and hung on, telling him who I was and why he remembered me. Gripping his hand with all the strength I could muster. The difference was that he was now over 60 yrs old and I was now bigger than him.
When I did let go he quickly said it was nice to meet me, crossed the street and literally ran as fast as he could down the street to put distance between us. I waited 25 yrs for that, I said to myself as he disappeared off into the distance.
Ray is right, it does stay with you. I often wonder if teachers realise how their actions can affect some kids, for the rest of their lives.
Gripped his hand with all the strength you could muster 😂😂😂 you showed him
@@jasonwhitehead8575 Well, given I was surrounded by witnesses, and a serving Police Officer at the time, it was all I was able to do. As much as I wanted to bounce him into the next week, it was not worth ending my career and going to jail over, was it. Think about it? 🙄
Trying to intimidate an old man is just about as cool as making fun of a kid
You waited 25 years to show a 60 year old man that you can hurt him because he bullied you? I’m not excusing his behaviour, he’s a piece of shit, but it sounds like you haven’t really grown up since then I’m afraid, no offence.
Instead of learning that he was the kind of person you didn’t want to be, and growing from there, you waited 25 years for a petty, ill-conceived form of vengeance. Sounds like you ended up just becoming him, to me - taking out childhood traumas on those who can’t defend themselves.
And all this from someone in the police? Not a great look, Luke. I’m not trying to be an asshole, it’s just that you had an opportunity to become better. Something to think about and reflect on.
@@Townesvanwaits, just because he is an old man now, it does not mean that he suddenly manifasted into something sacred.
Looks like Ray no longer drags his anchors eh?
I dunno why but "anchors" made me lol
If the teacher didn’t apologise, Ray could’ve killed him. He nearly signed his death warrant 😅
you miss the point of the show if you think ray would just randomly kill someone, he has rules and morals.
lvl 80 Principal vs lvl 999 Killer - roll 1 d20 20=pass 1-19=fail …😳 Principal uses “humility” adding 1 d6 to his roll… *rolls 15 rolls 6* It works!
wtf I was expecting at least somewhat of a beating
That guy is 70 even beating him would be a defeat for ray.
the guy showed respect and apologised why would ray beat him up?
Whats the song in the background
I bet Ray started to pick his feet up back then. His Dad was no inspiration.
Sometimes a teacher can indirectly help you but you don't realize till later.
Yeah maybe....but why was the teacher laughing at Ray along with the 6th grade kids.......nah, this guy was no teacher in the sense that you are trying to make him out to be......
I has a teacher slap me hard across the face and throw me over two desks, all because I was not listening. I was 14 years old. I had no dad and never told my mum. Mr Listo. If only I ran into him in my later years. He was a frustrated poof anyway.
holy shit I'd find him and return the favor
You can easily find him if you really tried. Just search your school and the year you went and your teachers name. He probably doesn't have the same address or is working as a teacher at that school. But I bet he has a linked in account with his new job and info on there.
Listo from St Pius Chatswood?
This was the best episode for me in whole series.
We watch this man, we see him as a 'hero' and main character on this show. But this episode shows us that he is nothing special really. There was NO ONE on this whole party that remembered him from school times besides his friend that he came with. No students nor teachers. He wasn't special, he wasn't funny, popular and worth to remember.
After that, each episode is just a ride straight down to very sad ending, where he is all alone, without friends, without family.
man your a itch who cares if he was liked at school. your comment isn't valid you was probably a snide at school and a bully and now u get slapped about haha
@@delboy-su3wfSounds like you were just like Ray lol
What song starts at 1:05
I also need to know this
I found it, it’s called She is Dangerous by Axel Stone 🤘🏼
@@Tedhollister Good find. Cheers
My brother and I were bullied by the flipping JANITOR in our elementary school who spat out our last name like it was a curse word. I imagine she's dead by now as this was over 40 years ago, but I hope she recognizes me in the afterlife so we can have a little chat. Lol
hopefully you two can clean things up in the after life and sweep everything under the rug
all I can imagine is snape in a janitors outfit hissing potter
I had rented a room from a teacher. A functioning alcoholic. I could tell the eighth grade kids in his school had his number. He was a man's man if you will. I do wonder what happened to him. I figure he wrecked his bike (motorcycle) he had his car he had his bicycle. He had inherited from his mom's passing. Bought a motorcycle. He would call a cab home from the bar and have me fetch his bike. I do wonder what happened to him. He was shooting for his masters degree. Teachers don't get the respect they deserve. By In large.
Most teachers these days don't deserve the respect any way
That's because they don't deserve it. In my 12 years of schooling I've had 5 teachers who cared, the rest either didn't care or were outright hostile. Teachers are just losers on a power trip.
My dad would get so pissed off when people dragged their feet, 40 yrs later it pisses me off so much too!
So how people walk around affects you? Idk mate, you shouldn't care about how other people walk. It's not that serious
it seems like you get so pissed about anything, not just about how ppl walk. You and your silly dad are the problem
Your dad was a twt and so are you
maybe he should just ask them politely...
is this mirrored? coz i could swear ray was on the left of the shot
It has to be to avoid copyright issues.
You guys have made me realize I've been watching an inverted version of Mr Inbetween lol
@@warwickdawg910 Mr Invertween
I had some seriously shitty teachers. Liars and cheats too. Sadly not a memory, but a hard fact. One got cancer early, another committed suicide, when I was still a young boy - and yes, it made me smile. Today they are just small people to me. Maybe because my life turned out very successfully. Regardless, I will never forget.
Get therapy
@@paulmccarter908 all good here. Thanks.
@@meibing4912 I understand completely. The fact you seem to have come to terms with it, and even feel like you one upped them, makes me think you dealt with it fine, and no further therapy is necessary. As for the comment above, I wouldn’t worry too much about some individual with a broomstick stuck somewhere, trying to passive - aggressively fuck with you. They will also get what’s coming to them.
@@paulmccarter908its people like you that get upset when life gives people what they finally deserve. Death is a horrible thing but when somebody has treated people like garbage for no reason their whole life and have no remorse, at that point, they deserve whats coming to them. You have no idea how badly people can treat others and if you got your head out from where the sun don't shine then you'd maybe start to pick up on that.
@@meibing4912 Defintely not 'all good' there by the sounds of it bud
So was he too hard on Mr In Between or not hard enough?
Maybe the teacher saw a bad indicator early on?
think the lesson is, its better to mind your own business and be kind instead of pissing someone off, if your not careful they could be someone like ray.
@@richard-ni7tp He was minding his own business. He was a school official in a school trying to maintain discipline. Maybe he went too far in his job, but I'll take that guy over a wokie any day. Considering how Ray turned out, maybe he saw something the others didn't. Unfortunately, he didn't have the skillset to fix the problem.
I'm a primary teacher. My principal is authoritarian and mean. She said, in a meeting, 'Be like me,' (to discipline/reproach students).
A parent even said I should be more shouty to her son.
To both, I said, "No. If I'm mean, and the other teachers are mean, and the principal is mean, then what safe, nurturing refuge does the school provide?"
Yes, students get annoying, but if they make me angry or stressed, then that's my emotional response, not theirs.
100% Agreed!!! Adults have to provide a world in which their children can learn to be independent.
Mean authority figures will make mean kids, who end up mean adults.
You are doing the right thing, 100%. I was a shit of a kid at school but if I respected a teacher I was a good kid in their class. Respect came simply from them being human, showing they genuinely care and are present, and maturity.
I have the same problem sometimes.
What did you teach?
I think that bloke played Gary Kelso father in the illustrated family doctor… maybe.
I was schooled in Scotland in the 70s. I was never a real troublemaker (academically average, strong sense of injustice, went to uni when 8% of British kids did), but on several occasions found myself at the wrong end of a teacher's Lochgelly, a thick leather split-ended strap. It was painful, a bit humiliating in front of peers and ultimately pointless.
The point that does count though, I harbour no grudge, it hasn't scarred me, and in fact I became a teacher myself. So Ray, man up ya big bairn!
Obviously you don't have much of a sense of justice afterall.
@@KylerMarkle-p5i why's that?
@@brettmeikle some of us harbor a grudge that'll make you regret ... its like interest accumulating in the bank
Respect is a much stronger force than humiliation or physical discipline. The old man is a stiff upper lip Jordie, and he never had to raise his voice to me once in my life becuase afraid of letting him down. He gained a lot of respect from me for that.
Why is always the weak or the ones that commit these acts that try to tell us you have to let it go. The weak can't do anything so they give up. The perpetrators either don't care or don't want retaliation for what they clearly know was wrong.
Nah, it's the opposite. Strong people decide for themselves how their experiences affects them. It's weak people who get their lives dictated to by others and society.
Ray is the weak one, people control him just by being annoying or inconsiderate, he isn't fixing anything by elbowing them or confronting them, he's only digging himself a deeper hole to climb out of (which he never will)
You got it completely backwards
Its so strange watching something you remember alot visually again but mirrored 😂 makes me feel like watching star wars again but mirrored, i can get another 3 trilogies out of it 😂
Imagine what an amazing world it would be if even 5% of people were like Ray haha
You're just describing honour culture which a significantly larger portion than 5% of all people practice. Needless to say it isn't actually good at solving anything.
@@GSol17 Honor culture has the downside of hosting people who having a higher baseline level of honor than others (mob factions, national leaders, etc.) who are allowed to abuse their power. The yakuza immediately come to mind.
"I guess we should be thankful to your contribution to society"
"Yeah"
You’d get situations depicted in Shogun where a literal baby is murdered because his father made a faux pas.
anyone know what songs are playing in the background
"But if you hang onto this shit for so long, it can't be good for you." Oh yeah, see that's how THEY try to flip it back on YOU.
idk about that. but its also kind of nonsense, you can remember a lot of things, just because you remember something doesn't mean you're "holding onto it"
I hung on - not remembered, hung on to - all kinds of shit for thirty years, until counselling slowly dismantled things. And I think you don’t like what I didn’t like, which is that it’s true.
and Ray said a perfect response to that nonsense. lol
In this case not really because he doesn't deny it at all and doesn't insultingly say that to him but in my opinion sincerely it's more like he's saying " I'm sorry I can't change that but please try to move on you don't need that on your shoulders" at least that's how I interpreted it
@@reeceburns8077 same. It just wasn't worded correctly
anyone please got the song in the background
The teacher/principle is right and Ray is wrong. There is a song that Don Henley sings called Heart of the Matter. He sings, "But I think it is about forgiveness." To hold onto it (an offense) only eats you up inside and does no harm to the person who gave you the offense.
I dont think thats always true. Doesnt eat you up inside unless you're reminded of the person. I doubt in the show Ray thought about his humiliation every day of his life but running into the teacher brought those emotions up and helped him overcome the "monster" (and not figuratively) that tormented him as a youth. I'll agree its bad if you think about it everyday but in Ray's case I think it's actually a good thing.
Ray is not wrong. Kids remember shit. No one has to be a dick all the time. That's the heart of the matter.
@@gregbowlan8041 Exactly.
They were both right!
Ray didn't dispute his point. He just stated that the reality is that people will hold onto it.
it's not about right or wrong, but ray seems like he's holding on to bullshit done in the past. 30,40 years old stuff. like when he hold on to whatever his dad did to him when he's a child. his dad was fucked up after vietnam war. his brother ask him to let go, feel the weight taken off your shoulder. when ray finally let go, the series is over. he move on, nothing else holding him down. the end....?
Smoking is the leading cause of lung cancer, responsible for approximately 85% of all cases.
I do believe that smoking is not healthy. However, I notice that something strange is going on - smoking is decleared not just leading cause of lung cancer, but also significant contributor to many more types of cancers.
In the Netherlands, where I live, anti - smoking campaign of the last couple of decades was remarkably effective - hardly anyone is smoking any more. Yet, instead of noticeable lowering of the cancer rates, oppositie is happening - cancer cases dramatically increased last years. It is now number one cause of death. And countries with many more smokers, such as France, Greece, Italy, whole South and East of Europe, don't have more cancers then The Netherlands.
Yeah, vape instead. Tasty.
@@milanmarinkovic3016 The effects of smoking on health can take decades to manifest. So, even if smoking rates have decreased, the impact of past smoking habits may still be contributing to cancer cases. Google "Trends in per capita cigarette consumption and age-standardized lung cancer death rates in the US. Adapted from American Cancer Society (2013)" and look at the images.
Thank you doctor.
@@milanmarinkovic3016 Maybe an explanation would be competing causes of death. People smoking not only get cancer, predominantly lung cancer, but suffer strokes, infections, heart attacks. Not smoking may increase the healthy life, therefore enabling cancer to become a cause of death more often, but later in life.
So let's look at the average life-span?
To add confusion, if other factors like chemicals in new stuff reduce the average life-span, you would not find out the effect of not smoking by looking at the life-span.
The comments here are just so lame
Americans completely missing the point?
Welcome to UA-cam.
My 6th class teacher didn't like me one bit and often humiliated me in front of the entire class by slapping the back of my legs while shouting in my face.
When in 1st form at high school I was walking past my old public school when he was outside. He asked me "How's high school?" as if the turd gave a shit. Without thinking I said "Better than this dump".
He jumped through the fence and slapped me around while shouting in my face. He then rang my parents and told them a pack of bullshit so I copped a flogging from my father when I got home.
I was small for my age and a year ahead - I was just 11yo.
Fast forward several years and I'd grown to over 6'2", 90kg and fighting fit.
Standing at the crowded bar of my local pub, pissed as a parrot, I recognised my former abuser. "I know you! Let's go outside for a minute so I can show you why it's a bad idea to abuse little kids."
Well what a reaction I received. The spineless wonder started screaming at the top of his lungs crying for the staff to ring the police.
Not expecting such an hysterical response I turned my back and pretended to be engaged in a conversation with two older tradies sitting at the bar to my other side.
One of the two recently hired bouncers came running over and tried to calm the weak prick down. I'd been suss of the new bouncers from day one and was delighted to overhear the bouncer telling the spineless wonder that HE was a cop and out of the corner of my eye he flashed his wallet that I presumed held his badge.
Well well well. Coppers weren't allowed to hold a second job, especially not in licensed premises, so the next day I rang Internal Affairs. Dirty coppers were totally corrupt back then [The year previously 21 Division bashed me at Chatswood police station for 2 1/2 hours while I was tripping off my head. They never hassled me again because they all knew that they couldn't make me talk]
Unalived two birds with one stone that night.
Got rid of two undercover cops who were playing bouncer and sweeter still, I scared the absolute living crap out of my childhood abuser. 😁
'A coward dies a thousand deaths' - the fear of a flogging is way worse than an actual flogging.
Over the next couple of decades I crossed paths with the gutless thing. I'd feel eyes on me and turn to see teacher looking at me with terror in his eyes. Didn't have to lift a finger, my piercing glare and a step in his direction was enough 🤣
things that never happened
delete this please
@@Petey0707 don't tell me that you still have nightmares about your 6th grade teacher?
@@kurt7937 why? Are you a 6th grade teacher? Anything to confess there Kurt?
@@Petey0707I came here to write this 😂
Like Ray has any room to judge anyone else for their actions. And btw, a teacher told him to pick his feet up, and he decided to be sarcastic back. So yea, he got taught a lesson! Cry me a river now.
That's does mean you embrass the kid front of the class just for walking
Yeah, like that’s kind of what I was, wth. You made me walk without dragging my feet and….I just kill people…. And back 40 years ago, I was corrected for not walking straight:”Young man, the National Geographic show mentioned humans separated from simians 100 million years ago, don’t you think 100 million plus your age, should be enough time for you not to walk like a monkey?” I was embarrassed, and I also stopped walking like a darn monkey. That was the darn point, to be embarrassed of doing something wrong. But, surely this particular plot appeals to the butterfly generation.
@@Roboto129
A fun fact for everyone else is that this person is from the country which has had so many school shootings their Wikipedia articles, plural, is split up into shootings pre-2000 and shootings post-2000.
But hey, bastardisation worked for this loser. I'm sure it'll keep going just fine.
@@jillsjakes2519 Well said!
@@_shades_ He embarrassed him for being a little shit and mocking the teacher's authority. Not nipping those things in the bud is what leads to kids being out-of-control in schools.