Maybe people need weekly lessons on art concepts. Like a new art concept a week followed by examples so their opinions are based from an educated perspective rather than judging based off what they first see. The plot has been lost and I have noticed communication through language, words, and phrases are misconstrued due to not understanding the point or intention along with the application of the concepts. This later translates in the misguided approach to how we digest information or interpret things such as art. If that makes sense. Art education is not in school and it seems as though individuals who have the privilege to study performing art have a higher level of understanding for the originality and purpose of the arts.
Initially when the movie poster drama was happening I thought Cynthia was overreacting but after seeing the movie and learning what it’s about, as well as seeing the press and interviewers largely ignore her, I now understand
Yeah, I think my perspective shift did a little bit as well once everything kind of played out. I still think that she probably could’ve handled that situation better but I don’t know how I would react either. This is something that they’ve worked on for years and they just probably didn’t expect a lot of the jokes or carrying on that came with the press
I believe all of this was an ill conceived attempt at sympathy presentation after one had an affair with a married man who recently had a baby during the making of this movie, while the other humiliating meltdown over a harmless fan made poster recreating the iconic play bill poster
@Story2ScreenMovieReviewPodcast I just saw it as two highly emotional types who were over tired and at the end of an extremely intense period of filming a very emotional film
If your TWELVE year old fell off the roof “trying to be a witch from wicked” then that sounds like a parenting problem. I literally burst out laughing 😂😂😂😂😂
@CamrynSuzanne I really think Disney's calling in the live-action field is doing original PG-13 musicals instead of remakes, so they should take advantage.
@@OpticalSorcerer if they can actually get good songwriters on board… Wish and Moana 2 had such bad music. I feel like Disney’s studios have really lost that creative spark, and they’re going to have to work hard to get it back.
@@Mr-tu4cj Moreso exec issues. Not sure if you knew, but Julia Michaels said that she and Benjamin Rice met with execs every week to discuss the music for "Wish," but were only given one storyboard and didn't have much direction. If I had to guess, this was likely due to exec interference with creative imput, similar to "Frozen 2" (concept art and an interview with Amaya's voice actress lean in that direction). Jennifer Lee said Julia wrote "This Wish" before the script. Given how vague it is, it sounds like Julia wasn't given a lot of direction during film production to to refine it--if they let her refine it at all. And while "Moana 2" have 3 directors--none of whom directed the first film--along with giving Jared Bush a co-writer and replacing LMM with B&B, it's important to understand that a different crew still could've made a good film. Concerning Barlow and Bear, they joined "Moana 2" last year when it was a tv show, so they were only given a year (if that) to write the songs in contrast to Lin's 3 years. Even if Lin is "better" than them musically, they didn't have the same opportunity he did. Not to mention, the film still comes off as episodic, meaning the 9 months they had to pivot from tv show to film weren't enough time for the directors and screenwriters to better the story or the characters. I imagine ehatever Bob Iger saw and enjoyed was "touched up" on and then animated with no major changes in writing/structure.
@@Mr-tu4cj Moreso exec issues. Not sure if you knew, but Julia Michaels said that she and Benjamin Rice met with execs every week to discuss the music for "Wish," but were only given one storyboard and didn't have much direction. If I had to guess, this was likely due to exec interference with creative imput, similar to "Frozen 2" (concept art and an interview with Amaya's voice actress lean in that direction). Jennifer Lee said Julia wrote "This Wish" before the script. Given how vague it is, it sounds like Julia wasn't given a lot of direction during film production to to refine it--if they let her refine it at all. And while "Moana 2" have 3 directors--none of whom directed the first film--along with giving Jared Bush a co-writer and replacing LMM with B&B, it's important to understand that a different crew still could've made a good film. Concerning Barlow and Bear, they joined "Moana 2" last year when it was a tv show, so they were only given a year (if that) to write the songs in contrast to Lin's 3 years. Even if Lin is "better" than them musically, they didn't have the same opportunity he did. Not to mention, the film still comes off as episodic, meaning the 9 months they had to pivot from tv show to film weren't enough time for the directors and screenwriters to better the story or the characters. I imagine ehatever Bob Iger saw and enjoyed was "touched up" on and then animated with no major changes in writing/structure.
There was alot of discourse about Ariana playing Glinda before the movie was released and after the movie came out almost every single reviewer has praised her performance in the film. Critics have praised her and she’s getting Oscar buzz. Really goes to show that talent shines through no matter what.
This! People were already upset before filming went into production because of casting. I knew the role would be in good hands bc I’ve also followed ari’s career very closely and knew that she was passionate and had broadway experience. It’s another case of people speaking too soon instead of having some faith and waiting
I was worried for her to play the role because I’ve never thought she was that great of an actress and every role she has played on tv at least is kinda the dizzy character which Glinda is dizzy but she’s dizzy on purpose and is really more calculating but she knocked it out of the park
As a fellow theatre kid, how Ariana and Cynthia were acting was normal lol. Wicked is big in the theatre community and them getting a chance to play their roles were super emotional for them. I completely understand and even teared up watching their interviews because the chance to work on a passion project like this is HUGE!!
Cynthia is a legend, Ariana was great, they had really good chemistry and the whole movie was really impressive in my opinion. Unfortunately part 2 will be a long wait!
@@CamrynSuzanne I think they could get away with a 3- 6 month gap but they wanna stretch out the anticipation. I'd assume all marketing has been signed off and the 2nd part wouldn't need to anything more extreme than what we've seen.
i loved your take on the poster thing. i thought cynthia's performance was so intimate and sooo good that i thought back to that whole "controversy" and thought "honestly i think she had a point" lol. this is a story that so many people have seen already, but the intimacy -- the close-ups, the subtleties, the emotion through the eyes, all things that just don't translate on stage the way they can on screen -- was powerful. imo her, and ariana too, really put their entire souls into the work they did and it's palpable. i was coming into this movie expecting a surface-level good time. it was truly something special. it's nice to see a movie where it genuinely feels like everyone involved in the production cared, you just dont see quality and passion like that every day from anybody.
I definitely was able to see her perspective a bit better once the movie was made! You make an excellent point because in the movie it gets truly up close in personal. When you’re watching on broadway, depending on where you are, you can’t fully capture those details because you’re not close up, so it really does bring a newer life to the story and I can understand wanting people to not mock or joke about that
I truly feel for Cynthia now especially after watching the movies and knowing all the back stories. She did an incredible job! Her voice is unlike anything I’ve ever heard. She made me feel for elphoba and see her in an entirely new light. I can’t wait for part 2
@biancagardner1015 most reviews I've seen are saying that Glinda is the bad guy of the story. That she orchestrated Elphaba's bullying at shiz and then betrays her by staying behind to take her place in Oz. I don't know if it's because people have only seen the first half?
@@jerpica.d6735 glinda was being nasty but she wasn't "the bad guy" all along, but its a shame she couldnt stay with elphaba. its honestly a shocking twist for madame morrible and the wizard to be the corrupt ones the whole time behind the unethical practices on animals.
Sorry for the novel, y’all. But I gotta get this off my chest. The same people who claim to hate celebrities, are the ones obsessing over them. I’ve never seen so many people online act so mentally unwell and unhinged towards Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo. It’s dehumanizing, scary, and really sad. I saw two beautiful and talented women living out their dreams and developing a beautiful bond I wish to have with a friend one day. Maybe that’s why people have been so poisonous. Imagine if these people would stop b*tching and use that energy to come for actual predators and criminals in this country. SMH. This “controversy” has taught me to completely ignore any gossip surrounding the personal lives of actors/performers in the industry (I’m specifically talking about romance and other things that don’t really matter, not about actual abusers). We quite literally do not know anything about their personal lives. I am completely turned off. I do not give AF. I just want to enjoy the art as it is. And Wicked exceeded my expectations. I cannot wait for part two!!! Love your work, Camryn!❤
Yes!! This movie has been living in my head rent free since BEFORE I saw it in theaters. Love your content and takes. You're one of my comfort creators. Thank you!🖤✨️
@CamrynSuzanne You're very welcome! One of your best ones so far, genuinely. You were able to cover all of the drama around the film in such a respectful manner. It's so refreshing!
I understand people being confused foresure but I think people started dragging it. Especially when a lot of folks weren’t watching the full interviews and just looking at the short bits and pieces
Lovin this video. I wish people would chill a lil bit. Everybody gets upset about the silliest ish nowadays. 😮 Personally I thought Cynthia & Arianna were great. As for the personal relationship stuff, I don’t know or wanna know all their business like that. I’m trying to figure out how to navigate my own life. So that’s all.
Thanks for watching! It does seem like at a certain point people are cherry picking for things to dislike. Everyone can have their opinions though and that’s completely fine but some of it is on stuff that hardly has to do with the film
Racist Conservatives called Ariana grande Latina when she is an Italian white women. That’s why they said she should have not got the part. It gives me Halle Bailey Ariel hatred for some reason and that’s bullshit. Trump as president is gonna destroy freedom of expression. This movie helps me understand why they were acting that way in there past interviews. The commitment and talent is real.💯
I literally just them saying this the other day, they drop the bar lower and lower every time. They never even make any sense and spew hateful inaccuracy. It takes a quick google search to find out that Ari is Italian…like😳😳
This was honestly my first time hearing about Wicked. I was blown away, I was going through it when I watched the movie and I cried good tears because it was so touching. It’s definitely a classic.
It was very touching! It’s such a touching story and it’s roots go really deep so it’s nice to see so many conversations being had and connecting with so many people.
ppl have been bashing these women and this movie for two years to the point it’s abusive.. and the ppl wonder “why r they so skinny what’s wrong with them” …i agree with all your takes and something i been saying for months .. i swear i hate social media they make big deals out of everything meanwhile 6 months ago everyone hated Blake lively for being mean and rude to her costars and interviewers and not taking her movie seriously enough .. now ppl laugh at ariana and cynthia for being too nice and actually liking each other ..and taking this movie too seriously .. no body ever wins
the people complaining about ariana and cynthia crying in interviews have never seen theatre kids on opening or closing night of their school musical. especially the leads.
your my favorite UA-camr. you have such a great take on things and bring such different perspectives to the table! and u actually bring relevant and new information to the table and don’t just paraphrase what you say. keep doing what you do! these videos make my brain happy 😭
It’s so refreshing that you kindly commented on this media tour. I am a huge fan of both of these mega talented singers/actors, so it pains me to see the judgement thrown at them. Thank you for being so rational and respectful about it 💕
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! It's important to remember everyone is human at the end of the day. And although I understand some grievances, i also think people take things too far and way to seriously
I feel like if Cynthia didn’t well… look the way she did, the way people would see the way they interacted probably wasn’t fake. They would probably say wow they have such a strong friendship and there would be edits abt it everywhere. People were so SO hypercritical of Cynthia. She’s playing a character literally ostracized while also being ostracized in her everyday life, we need to give her more grace.
Just went to see the Wicked movie this week and absolutely loved it! Great video Camryn. 🤩 Some of those scandals were just unnecessary, but I really liked your thoughts on the movie
Again, why don't parents investigate what they take their kids to? Seriously, I don't understand. If you're going to take your kids to the movie theater, know more about the movie than just "Ariana Grande is in it and she wears pink". Also, lady, have you read the lyrics to the most popular songs by Ariana?
@@CamrynSuzanne Yes, I believe they did not even check that. I mean, in the age of Google, that is unacceptable imho... but who are we to judge? LOL xD
It was my introduction to musicals and all im gonna say is that they did a great job (the whole cast). Not gonna lie, at first I went for Ariana but also because I always liked singing but at the end of the movie, I was taken aback by Cynthia's work. I literally got chills and cried 3 times. Also, I never had doubts for my sister, Ariana is not new to this and we needed a SINGER to do the job (plus she played so well at one point I was mad at glinda). In all, the movie was amazing, the moral is well portrayed. I can't wait to see part 2!!! p.s: I loved the promo it made me think of barbie all over again and it was just great
She really did and I’m glad that she was able to speak about it on her own terms🙌🏽 the example about going to Thanksgiving. Dinner was so valid. Because I’m sure many of us have been triggered by comments from family members and it sticks with you. So imagine having millions of people consistently down your throat based on your looks and speculation. It’s become way too normalized to just openly speak about those things.
@ agreed, that was what struck a cord in me because it’s so true. Literally had Thanksgiving and I was silent the whole time cuz I just wanted to avoid the toxicity and the slick comments of my family, it’s not a good feeling. I couldn’t imagine being treated like that on such a large scale. She’s right, people are WAY too brave making rude and nasty comments, it’s not right
Ok so this is super random and has nothing to do with the video but i have to speak my mind it makes me sad that there are people who actually hate that glinda wore pink through out the movie . I for one loved it tge outfits were beautiful and aesthetic and whimsical (AND NOT TO MENTION PINKKKKKK!!!!)and they were so unique and fun , basically what I'm trying to say us JUSTICE for glindas outfits and JUSTICE FOR PINK!!!💓
Not random at all! Someone else also mentioned this point in the comments because people were complaining about her wearing pink the whole time. I was so surprised when people were kind of irritated by that because I saw nothing wrong with it. The more pink the better 😂 ( at least to me)
Knowing that Christen was actually sweet in real life is refreshing. These giant, beloved names are usually disappointing to meet in public/random situations.
30:04 As for the marketing issue, from what I understand, Barbie has always been associated with pink, while Wicked has not. A lot of Wicked's initial marketing felt unrelated to the movie's story or history. As for "Wicked," the duo-color marketing felt more disingenuous because it was already done recently, and their colors aren't as heavily tied to their characters as Barbie’s, aside from Elphaba, obviously. (However, renaming the "University of Greenwich" to the "University of Green Witch" was pretty clever, but I digress.) Comparing "Barbenheimer" and "Glicked," Barbenheimer just had better correlation. Barbie has always been associated with pink and happiness, while Oppenheimer was the polar opposite. Additionally, both Barbie dolls and nuclear bombs have had massive social impacts on American culture, and their concurrent release dates were intentional and meant to rival each other due to a feud between Christopher Nolan and Warner Bros., but it had the opposite effect. Therefore, while Barbenheimer wasn't a complete coincidence, its popularization arose from grass-roots, fan-driven marketing, which added to its authentcity and appeal Glicked, on the other hand, shared no correlation, which made the marketing come off as disingenuous. Plus, the casting of Ariana Grande as Glinda, without the public's awareness of her long love for the character and her deep-rooted history in musical theatre, made many initially feel like the producers only cast her to use her fame to sell tickets. Although these aren't massive issues on their own, I think they collectively contributed to the initial hesitation among people to watch Wicked before it actually premiered. Overall, I would say the movie itself did a better job of promoting its release. I do apologize if this comment came off as blunt. I tried writing in an understandable way, but I can see how my comment may undermine the efforts of the Wicked marketing team. I hope this atleast brought things more into perspective though! 😅👍
Will you ever consider doing a video on Hip Hop/Rap especially Female Rap? Like the state of it and back then and icons like Lil Kim, Foxy Brown, Nicki Minaj, Lauryn Hill and Missy Elliott (just to name a few). And how Nicki Minaj saved female rap in the late 2000s and the whole of the 2010s. How Lil Kim and Foxy Brown brought new things to rap, how Missy Elliott changed it in the late 90s and how Lauryn Hill changed it in 1998 with her album. The way female rap changed from the mid-late 80s to the whole the 90s and how Nicki revived it and how her and legends before her inspire the new girls.
Yes! That’s actually my next goal in that series of videos. I’m not as big of a rap girly so there is a lot more research i wanna do for that video bc I want to make sure I have all the details! That will definitely be on the docket🫶🏽
6:20 So the director admits that the actors had to go through an entire physical and mental transformation in order to play these characters. He also admits that they were extra hard on Ariana, totally wiping away her personality because he didnt want the public to associate her with her. Now I understand whats happening to Cynthia and Ariana, they were completely brainwashed and reprogrammed. I hope they get therapy to help find themselves again. I'm sorry but I like the red lipped poster of Cynthia however the comments about what color are her lady parts was crude and out of line. Nobody was saying that mess about Zoe Saldana when she play Gamora. *Sidenote* I lost it when the mom said her kid fell off a broom after trying to ride it 😂😂
Every person who thinks Elphaba was cast for diversity points needs to be sat down and played literally any 10 second snippet off that soundtrack. Cynthia is an absolute beast and she deserves respect, she earned that role 10 times over.
I did end up seeing the poster fiasco on Twitter and I will admit after that subconsciously it did put me off seeing the movie. It just seemed like a non issue but I know Cynthia has gotten hate in the past due to previous roles so that probably attributed to her reaction although still unwarranted. But tbf even now seeing how these news article were treating Cynthia I kind of get it. I ended up seeing the movie and I was blown away. I will be seeing it again. Really and truly her reaction even though weird at the time isn’t that big of the deal out of celebrities doing crazy shit and I think people were and are still really hard on Cynthia. Just seeing her interviews I can tell she has a lot of passion about the movie and she should. Anyways my point is to see the movie. Worth the coin.
We haven't even scratched the surface. This movie was peak, the best thing that has ever happened this decade since Guardians of the Galaxy, Elemental, Inside Out 2 which also came out this year! This was absolutely perfection to the W. Everything was done right!
I loved the movie. I like how it’s ambiguous and the message is based on how you connect with the movie. My favorite scene was the Ozdust ballroom and the ending. Both powerful and made me emotional. I do see some people are refusing to see the political message of the movie but it’s important as it can open a discussion of today’s political climate
Yes, i honestly think that’s one of my favorite parts of the movie. The message and depth that exists there depending on how far you want to take it. It’s so relevant to a lot of conversations we’re having currently and it’s refreshing to see a story like this on the big screen in this format
I kno it would’ve been challenging (I for sure kno marketing executives tried too) I’m just happy they actually marketed as musicals. They got leads that understand how to sing,understand musical theater & director that understands how to translate Boardway musical to the big screen without being ashamed it’s theater roots.
Yes, I’ve been hearing this a lot as well! The appreciation for actually embracing the fact that it’s a musical and not hiding that fact. I think a lot of musicals producing Hollywood lately have been shying away from it when there’s an audience that exist that will enjoy it. I think it’s a false advertising that pisses people off the most. For example, I know this was an issue with the mean girls movie that came out. I guess a lot of people didn’t realize that it was a musical based off of the marketing.
Haven't seen the movie but wow it sounds super interesting and good to know that it is doing well. I will say that I agree w/ Cynthia in regards to that Wicked poster fan edit. Removing or obfuscating a person's eyes is an act of dehumanization (often seen in gruesome media as just black bars on top of perpetrator's eyes even for an example), It's as the saying goes "Eyes are the windows to one's soul". While there are times when creative people do that very carefully w/ intent to add a bit of mystery and intrigue to the character esp. if they might be villainous, such a change to the poster just rubs me the wrong way as if some foul play from racially motivated people was involved while they can very conveniently hide behind the excuse of 'fixing the poster'. I'd say even then actual movie version of the poster fits a lot better to the primary themes than the original one and the fanedit one (much more subtle smirks from both Cynthia and Ariana which can get someone thinking whether if it's a sinister one or not really sells it). OH and your edits n' inserts game is firing on all cylinders Camryn! Love to see those 😊
I watched the wicked I was scared that people would start singing in the theatre because hello im here to watch Ariana and Cynthia perform and listen to the songs not there voices thank god nobody singed
Ppl like Glinda are the villains. She’s complicit in the wizards propaganda and if it wasn’t for her likability i think everyone would see that. It’s particularly why I’ve seen arguments about whose story is actually more interesting( which is really sad) Glindas never been a complex character.
I swear if you look at these celebs through the lens like they’re at their 9 to 5 it really makes the weepiness and snappiness make sense. Like most of these interviews take place on the same long ass day back to back with complete strangers no wonder they’re breaking down. It’s human af.
Honestly with the crying... I get people thinking it's so dramatic. But when you have been in something so beautiful and the experience was absolutely amazing and you actually love the people you worked with to the point where going to work does not feel like work, when you reflect on everything, you *do* get emotional. You're happy and sad at the same time because it's all over now but you all produced something incredible. I really got so annoyed with people saying "oh they're being so dumb and all" because I could understand why they were getting so emotional. They even said in multiple interviews why they got so emotional but people just ran with the hate.
Yesss, I do agree that a lot of the crying and drama in interviews has only been seen in clips or in one context & seeing the movie absolutely puts it into perspective. I don’t know if you also saw but ari and Cynthia did an interview on the “ holding space for the lyrics of defying gravity” moment and also said they were confused as to what was going on as well😂 i do like their acknowledgment and ability to laugh along with some of these moments too
Drama kid in me was really happy to see that throwback photo of you. I personally feel like it is definitely dragged out but considering we haven’t had a high quality musical movie in a while I want it to never end haha. I couldn’t stop thinking what did Ari see in Ethan…. So I laughed a lot throughout it but was mad Cynthia didn’t get paid as much. I had a lot of parasocial feelings of bipoc vs white actors pay differences Cynthia was killing her role in ways it was better than Ariana’s acting and skill set!
@@trini2DBone134 Sure they may have been paid the same after it had to be debunked from the legit erasure Cynthia validating felt and had very much of a reason to vocalize. Everyone know's Ariana is talented, but as a black woman, I constantly have to validate the skills that I also am qualified in, which is exactly how Cynthia felt and why I responded my feelings. You don't have to understand, but you also don't have to be comment about something you clear misconstrued and can't relate to.
@@trini2DBone134 The rumor of the pay discrepancy occurred after the repetitive erasure that Cynthia felt. Airana is not the lead role and no one ever dismissed her talent. As a BIPOC theatre kid, I simply am in solidarity of Cynthia's feelings and emotions. I hope you take the time to reconize her talent and why the industry is harder on black women to simply just exist.
Unrelated topic but I was wondering if you would love to do an analysis video of Shakira and Beyoncé careers and how they both become so relevant to 3 decades Do to Shakira doing her first stadium tour in the United States
I wasn’t too sure if I was gonna like this movie, I enjoy musicals but I didn’t know much about the source material. However, it really blew me away. The sets, costumes, story songs everything. The actors I do think were the best part tho. Cynthia and Ari were amazing but honestly I was really blown away by Johnathan Bailey as fiyero. Bro was giving it 200% in dancing Thur life.
I also went into it not sure if I would be as excited about the film & if it would live up to the hype but I completely agree. The energy, effort and dedication to the story shined through the screen and it was great to watch
7:42 I thought I was the only one 😭 that noticed this 12:22 I mean he didn’t lie…love Cynthia down but Ariana has more impact across the board Ari is an Icon glad they received the same level of pay though 15:18 mind you her posting this also sent people after the creator of that picture that was “hurtful” 17:33 😭😭😭😭 no seriously though popular was good like they needed to chill out I seen someone yesterday complaining about how Glinda wore pink all thru the movie like they just trying to find anything to say about the movie 18:54 !!!!!!! 22:20 literally was so confused about “holding space” trending on tiktok 23:28 the people making jokes about it sending meee 26:02 someone on twitter said “when theater kids are in the spotlight” 29:03 I didn’t agree with this I felt like young kids that are trying to break into broadway should’ve been allowed to watch
@ 🫶🏽🫶🏽🫶🏽 and after seeing that comment I was just done like you can never satisfy people me personally I loved Glinda wardrobe and the cute PINK items that came with 😂
i genuinely believe a lot of people (not all) who said they wont watch this movie or hated it are just doing it because its ariana grande in it, which really sucks for them because its honestly a really good movie. The singing is amazing both women are very talented.
Yeah a lot of people were saying prior too that they wouldn’t watch because of that reason. I gotta say that if that was the sole reason why some people didn’t watch, they’re definitely missing out
It's cute that you have a pic with Kristin. I have a pic with Idina! She was SO nice and humble. After watching through your video I agree with all your takes and perspective. The colour and light felt completely appropriate to Gregory Maguire's Oz. I did a 101 point breakdown of Wicked on my channel. I'd be honoured if you'd check it out!
Great video. However I think it should be noted that while Alexia Khadime is currently the only black to play the role of Elphaba full-time, she is not the only black actress to play Elphaba in a professional production. There was Saycon Sengbloh, Emmy Raver-Lampman and Lilli Cooper played the role.
I don’t think it was ever really about the poster. It’s like how when couples argue about the stove but it’s never really about the stove. It’s about the buildup of let downs that contribute to an argument over seemingly stupid things. I think what she was actually upset about (maybe because I don’t live in her head but I do know what it’s like to feel not important) the fandom not seeing her. Not seeing her talent, not loving her as a person. If someone live Dove got the role, there would be equal discourse much more love on her side. For Cynthia she was so nonexistent to the public people barely know her name, we just know Ariana grande was in it and to most people Ariana SEEMS more important. It’s unfair and it’s understandable she was upset for being mocked. 14:08
The movie was actually announced in 2012 meaning it has been a DECADE that fans of the musical have been waiting for this movie. A lot of Cynthia “drama” is simply misogynist bccs if it were Ariana in that position she’d be a “icon” (I can say this I love Ariana and her music but I’m also a black woman) I also HATED the marketing for the movie because they marketed it as just some chick flick about friends which it is but it’s so much more than that and I also blame marketing for the Cynthia being overlooked thing it’s so dumb. Another thing is when you’re in a musical, you’re doing a LOT of dancing for many hours of the day especially since this is a film that means they had to put forth 10x the energy for multiple takes for 12 hour work days. Logically with all that exercise you’re gonna lose a little weight. Also there have been other black elphabas on the west end and as replacements the one you mentioned was just the first one Sorry this comment is long I’ve literally been in love with the musical since I was 3 so I have a lot of thoughts
I swear on my life on the internet everyone is a professional in every field went to college in every topic imaginable for 15 years has 20+ years experience ESPECIALLY when it comes to vocals and vocal technique omfg I feel like everyone on the planet is a professional vocal coach at this point 😂
Stan Twitter doesn't take everything as a joke. They take it as a passive aggressive action and then they retaliate accordingly. Ariana stans felt like Ariana was being attacked by Cynthia in a passive aggressive action when Cynthia referenced erasure. So Ariana stans reflected that assumed aggression back at Cynthia. Ariana stans have been known to make racist/out-of-pocket comments as a defense mechanism for Ariana's black fishing. Now stans automatically deflect anything a person of color says in contrast to Ariana even when its not directly attacking Ariana. I 100% believe stans directly attacked Cynthia because of an underlying racism in defense of Ariana's black fishing. If this was not the narrative, then stans would've not been so quick to belittle Cynthia. Edit: I want to make it abundantly clear, I don't have a problem with Ariana. I have a problem with the racist passive aggressive nature of her hard core fans. It's gross and I will never disclose to anyone I'm an Ariana fan. I do not want to be associated with that awful behavior. 2nd edit 🫣: I'm extremely frustrated with how the election ended. Cheeto puff won with, close to, the amount of votes he lost with in 2020. I was a first time voter in 2016. I voted Hillary not because I wanted to, but because I had to. I felt a deep sense of sorrow and disappoint when orange peel won. Same thing this year. With Kamala, my issues on Palestine were still not addressed by the party. However that was my main issue, I had a few more but obliviously I was gonna vote Kamala vs throw my vote away, with such high steaks. I thought others would do the same. My mistake in 2016 became my mistake in 2024, believing there is no possible way burnt toast could win. I think it's extremely disheartening that a portion of leftist, moral voter's used this election of all elections to use their vote in protest. It didn't work and now we're f'd.
Hey guys! The Wicked video is finally here and there is so much to unpack 🍵 So tell me how you really feel👀
It’s not a children’s movie, especially toddlers, that’s for sure.
Maybe people need weekly lessons on art concepts. Like a new art concept a week followed by examples so their opinions are based from an educated perspective rather than judging based off what they first see.
The plot has been lost and I have noticed communication through language, words, and phrases are misconstrued due to not understanding the point or intention along with the application of the concepts. This later translates in the misguided approach to how we digest information or interpret things such as art. If that makes sense.
Art education is not in school and it seems as though individuals who have the privilege to study performing art have a higher level of understanding for the originality and purpose of the arts.
Initially when the movie poster drama was happening I thought Cynthia was overreacting but after seeing the movie and learning what it’s about, as well as seeing the press and interviewers largely ignore her, I now understand
Yeah, I think my perspective shift did a little bit as well once everything kind of played out. I still think that she probably could’ve handled that situation better but I don’t know how I would react either. This is something that they’ve worked on for years and they just probably didn’t expect a lot of the jokes or carrying on that came with the press
I'm pretty forgiving of the whole situation. If I was in their shoes, I'd be hyper emotional too.
I believe all of this was an ill conceived attempt at sympathy presentation after one had an affair with a married man who recently had a baby during the making of this movie, while the other humiliating meltdown over a harmless fan made poster recreating the iconic play bill poster
@Story2ScreenMovieReviewPodcast I just saw it as two highly emotional types who were over tired and at the end of an extremely intense period of filming a very emotional film
yall still trying to go with this "affair" BS? Grow up @@Story2ScreenMovieReviewPodcast
If your TWELVE year old fell off the roof “trying to be a witch from wicked” then that sounds like a parenting problem. I literally burst out laughing 😂😂😂😂😂
That part 😂😂 she’s blaming the wrong things
@@MakaykayLAMB right, like first things first how is your child managing to get on your roof?
Honestly I'm jist glad this film is succeeding; musicals are underrated, and live-action musicals are SUPER underrated.
So true! It really opens the door for other musicals to be made and be successful at the box office . (if done right)
@CamrynSuzanne I really think Disney's calling in the live-action field is doing original PG-13 musicals instead of remakes, so they should take advantage.
@@OpticalSorcerer if they can actually get good songwriters on board… Wish and Moana 2 had such bad music. I feel like Disney’s studios have really lost that creative spark, and they’re going to have to work hard to get it back.
@@Mr-tu4cj Moreso exec issues. Not sure if you knew, but Julia Michaels said that she and Benjamin Rice met with execs every week to discuss the music for "Wish," but were only given one storyboard and didn't have much direction. If I had to guess, this was likely due to exec interference with creative imput, similar to "Frozen 2" (concept art and an interview with Amaya's voice actress lean in that direction). Jennifer Lee said Julia wrote "This Wish" before the script. Given how vague it is, it sounds like Julia wasn't given a lot of direction during film production to to refine it--if they let her refine it at all.
And while "Moana 2" have 3 directors--none of whom directed the first film--along with giving Jared Bush a co-writer and replacing LMM with B&B, it's important to understand that a different crew still could've made a good film. Concerning Barlow and Bear, they joined "Moana 2" last year when it was a tv show, so they were only given a year (if that) to write the songs in contrast to Lin's 3 years. Even if Lin is "better" than them musically, they didn't have the same opportunity he did. Not to mention, the film still comes off as episodic, meaning the 9 months they had to pivot from tv show to film weren't enough time for the directors and screenwriters to better the story or the characters. I imagine ehatever Bob Iger saw and enjoyed was "touched up" on and then animated with no major changes in writing/structure.
@@Mr-tu4cj Moreso exec issues. Not sure if you knew, but Julia Michaels said that she and Benjamin Rice met with execs every week to discuss the music for "Wish," but were only given one storyboard and didn't have much direction. If I had to guess, this was likely due to exec interference with creative imput, similar to "Frozen 2" (concept art and an interview with Amaya's voice actress lean in that direction). Jennifer Lee said Julia wrote "This Wish" before the script. Given how vague it is, it sounds like Julia wasn't given a lot of direction during film production to to refine it--if they let her refine it at all.
And while "Moana 2" have 3 directors--none of whom directed the first film--along with giving Jared Bush a co-writer and replacing LMM with B&B, it's important to understand that a different crew still could've made a good film. Concerning Barlow and Bear, they joined "Moana 2" last year when it was a tv show, so they were only given a year (if that) to write the songs in contrast to Lin's 3 years. Even if Lin is "better" than them musically, they didn't have the same opportunity he did. Not to mention, the film still comes off as episodic, meaning the 9 months they had to pivot from tv show to film weren't enough time for the directors and screenwriters to better the story or the characters. I imagine ehatever Bob Iger saw and enjoyed was "touched up" on and then animated with no major changes in writing/structure.
There was alot of discourse about Ariana playing Glinda before the movie was released and after the movie came out almost every single reviewer has praised her performance in the film. Critics have praised her and she’s getting Oscar buzz. Really goes to show that talent shines through no matter what.
This! People were already upset before filming went into production because of casting. I knew the role would be in good hands bc I’ve also followed ari’s career very closely and knew that she was passionate and had broadway experience. It’s another case of people speaking too soon instead of having some faith and waiting
I was worried for her to play the role because I’ve never thought she was that great of an actress and every role she has played on tv at least is kinda the dizzy character which Glinda is dizzy but she’s dizzy on purpose and is really more calculating but she knocked it out of the park
People need to just let professionals cook. 😅
As a fellow theatre kid, how Ariana and Cynthia were acting was normal lol. Wicked is big in the theatre community and them getting a chance to play their roles were super emotional for them. I completely understand and even teared up watching their interviews because the chance to work on a passion project like this is HUGE!!
After seeing the movie I understand why Cynthia was upset about erasure. It doesn’t make sense outside of the context of the film but I get it now.
Cynthia is a legend, Ariana was great, they had really good chemistry and the whole movie was really impressive in my opinion. Unfortunately part 2 will be a long wait!
We really gotta wait a whole year for part 2😒
@@CamrynSuzanne I think they could get away with a 3- 6 month gap but they wanna stretch out the anticipation. I'd assume all marketing has been signed off and the 2nd part wouldn't need to anything more extreme than what we've seen.
i loved your take on the poster thing.
i thought cynthia's performance was so intimate and sooo good that i thought back to that whole "controversy" and thought "honestly i think she had a point" lol.
this is a story that so many people have seen already, but the intimacy -- the close-ups, the subtleties, the emotion through the eyes, all things that just don't translate on stage the way they can on screen -- was powerful.
imo her, and ariana too, really put their entire souls into the work they did and it's palpable. i was coming into this movie expecting a surface-level good time. it was truly something special. it's nice to see a movie where it genuinely feels like everyone involved in the production cared, you just dont see quality and passion like that every day from anybody.
I definitely was able to see her perspective a bit better once the movie was made! You make an excellent point because in the movie it gets truly up close in personal. When you’re watching on broadway, depending on where you are, you can’t fully capture those details because you’re not close up, so it really does bring a newer life to the story and I can understand wanting people to not mock or joke about that
I truly feel for Cynthia now especially after watching the movies and knowing all the back stories.
She did an incredible job! Her voice is unlike anything I’ve ever heard. She made me feel for elphoba and see her in an entirely new light. I can’t wait for part 2
THANK YOU - you're the only person I've seen saying the Wizard and Morrible are the villains of this story
@@jerpica.d6735 Whattt? What are people saying otherwise?
@biancagardner1015 most reviews I've seen are saying that Glinda is the bad guy of the story. That she orchestrated Elphaba's bullying at shiz and then betrays her by staying behind to take her place in Oz. I don't know if it's because people have only seen the first half?
@@jerpica.d6735 glinda was being nasty but she wasn't "the bad guy" all along, but its a shame she couldnt stay with elphaba. its honestly a shocking twist for madame morrible and the wizard to be the corrupt ones the whole time behind the unethical practices on animals.
Sorry for the novel, y’all. But I gotta get this off my chest. The same people who claim to hate celebrities, are the ones obsessing over them. I’ve never seen so many people online act so mentally unwell and unhinged towards Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo. It’s dehumanizing, scary, and really sad. I saw two beautiful and talented women living out their dreams and developing a beautiful bond I wish to have with a friend one day. Maybe that’s why people have been so poisonous. Imagine if these people would stop b*tching and use that energy to come for actual predators and criminals in this country. SMH.
This “controversy” has taught me to completely ignore any gossip surrounding the personal lives of actors/performers in the industry (I’m specifically talking about romance and other things that don’t really matter, not about actual abusers). We quite literally do not know anything about their personal lives. I am completely turned off. I do not give AF. I just want to enjoy the art as it is. And Wicked exceeded my expectations. I cannot wait for part two!!!
Love your work, Camryn!❤
Yes!! This movie has been living in my head rent free since BEFORE I saw it in theaters. Love your content and takes. You're one of my comfort creators. Thank you!🖤✨️
Thank you so much for the support! 🖤✨️hoping you enjoy today’s video
@CamrynSuzanne You're very welcome! One of your best ones so far, genuinely. You were able to cover all of the drama around the film in such a respectful manner. It's so refreshing!
@@wistfulchameleonthank youu☺️☺️
Cynthia and Ariana deserve Oscars for their performances and I truly mean that! They worked very hard and deserve all the accolades!
I agree!!
i’ve seen it 5 times and need to see it again
5 timesss😳 lemme get like youu
it's crazy how sensationalized people made the way ariana grande and cynthia ervio were in interviews
I understand people being confused foresure but I think people started dragging it. Especially when a lot of folks weren’t watching the full interviews and just looking at the short bits and pieces
@@CamrynSuzanne Riiight!
Lovin this video. I wish people would chill a lil bit. Everybody gets upset about the silliest ish nowadays. 😮 Personally I thought Cynthia & Arianna were great. As for the personal relationship stuff, I don’t know or wanna know all their business like that. I’m trying to figure out how to navigate my own life. So that’s all.
Thanks for watching! It does seem like at a certain point people are cherry picking for things to dislike. Everyone can have their opinions though and that’s completely fine but some of it is on stuff that hardly has to do with the film
couldn't agree more 💯
Yeah singing, dancing, WITCHES!
Love the comment😂
Ugh Wicked has been my life since I saw it a week ago, Im so glad you did a deep dive.
Thank you so so much for watching my video!
sweetener and emancipation of mimi posters in the bg... we had to subscribe
Hehe thank youu☺️☺️☺️
Racist Conservatives called Ariana grande Latina when she is an Italian white women. That’s why they said she should have not got the part. It gives me Halle Bailey Ariel hatred for some reason and that’s bullshit. Trump as president is gonna destroy freedom of expression. This movie helps me understand why they were acting that way in there past interviews. The commitment and talent is real.💯
I literally just them saying this the other day, they drop the bar lower and lower every time. They never even make any sense and spew hateful inaccuracy. It takes a quick google search to find out that Ari is Italian…like😳😳
This was honestly my first time hearing about Wicked. I was blown away, I was going through it when I watched the movie and I cried good tears because it was so touching. It’s definitely a classic.
It was very touching! It’s such a touching story and it’s roots go really deep so it’s nice to see so many conversations being had and connecting with so many people.
ppl have been bashing these women and this movie for two years to the point it’s abusive.. and the ppl wonder “why r they so skinny what’s wrong with them” …i agree with all your takes and something i been saying for months .. i swear i hate social media they make big deals out of everything meanwhile 6 months ago everyone hated Blake lively for being mean and rude to her costars and interviewers and not taking her movie seriously enough .. now ppl laugh at ariana and cynthia for being too nice and actually liking each other ..and taking this movie too seriously .. no body ever wins
the people complaining about ariana and cynthia crying in interviews have never seen theatre kids on opening or closing night of their school musical. especially the leads.
Highkeyy😂😂
Thats why they also criticize Ariana and Cynthia as theater kids.
another banger from Camryn??? i didn’t know that was happening… that’s what i wanted 🥹
Glad you enjoyed the vid! I’m always down to give some tea ☕️
@@internetmoths yeah :’) she’s in queer media, so…
your my favorite UA-camr. you have such a great take on things and bring such different perspectives to the table! and u actually bring relevant and new information to the table and don’t just paraphrase what you say. keep doing what you do! these videos make my brain happy 😭
That means the world to me! Thank you for watching ❤️🥹
@@thequeenhasdefrosted *You're
OMG I didn't expect a video on this from you and I'm happy about it! 😊 Awesome! Already liked once it started
Thought i would switch it up today!! Hope you like the video ☺️☺️☺️
The movie actually exceeded my expectation ...i saw it twice
Yess so many people have been going to see it multiple times and I love that
It’s so refreshing that you kindly commented on this media tour. I am a huge fan of both of these mega talented singers/actors, so it pains me to see the judgement thrown at them. Thank you for being so rational and respectful about it 💕
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! It's important to remember everyone is human at the end of the day. And although I understand some grievances, i also think people take things too far and way to seriously
Stand up by Cynthia is legendary💯
I feel like if Cynthia didn’t well… look the way she did, the way people would see the way they interacted probably wasn’t fake. They would probably say wow they have such a strong friendship and there would be edits abt it everywhere. People were so SO hypercritical of Cynthia. She’s playing a character literally ostracized while also being ostracized in her everyday life, we need to give her more grace.
I was listening to this video in the background which was autoplayed for me and glanced at the screen 20 mins in.... You're stunning.
@@69ratpoison69 thank you!!🥹
this is so refreshing. i think you should do this from time to time, Camryn
@@prudentsage thank you!! I will keep that in mind!
I'm looking forward to watching the movie now. I appreciate your commentary! ❤️
You should def check out the movie! Thank you so much for watching!!❤️
Great commentary Camryn. 😊
I loved it 😅
Thank you! 😁
Just went to see the Wicked movie this week and absolutely loved it! Great video Camryn. 🤩 Some of those scandals were just unnecessary, but I really liked your thoughts on the movie
Thank you for watching!!
Yeah that whole "Nessa never stood up for her sister" was the line for me. Like that's too and 3 far.
I love that you have Mariah and Ariana behind you on your wall 😍
Aye thank you!❤️
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0:40 you missed the chance to say scandelocious
Ah man😭
@@CamrynSuzanne You *might* have another chance to say it when Part 2 comes out! 😆
Again, why don't parents investigate what they take their kids to? Seriously, I don't understand. If you're going to take your kids to the movie theater, know more about the movie than just "Ariana Grande is in it and she wears pink". Also, lady, have you read the lyrics to the most popular songs by Ariana?
Right 😂 clearly parents weren’t checking. I don’t even think some of them realized that the movie was almost 3 hours either
@@CamrynSuzanne Yes, I believe they did not even check that. I mean, in the age of Google, that is unacceptable imho... but who are we to judge? LOL xD
It was my introduction to musicals and all im gonna say is that they did a great job (the whole cast). Not gonna lie, at first I went for Ariana but also because I always liked singing but at the end of the movie, I was taken aback by Cynthia's work. I literally got chills and cried 3 times.
Also, I never had doubts for my sister, Ariana is not new to this and we needed a SINGER to do the job (plus she played so well at one point I was mad at glinda). In all, the movie was amazing, the moral is well portrayed. I can't wait to see part 2!!!
p.s: I loved the promo it made me think of barbie all over again and it was just great
Brought me back to when I saw it on broadway.. it was so good! It pulled at so many heart strings. Can’t wait for part 2 🧙🏿♀️🫧🖤
what a good video essay !
Thank you!!
11:00 I didn’t realize they were STILL together!!
😊 This was another good video friend.
I normally don't like too many Musical movies but I'm actually going to go see the movie tomorrow night
Thank you!! I know you’ll love the movie🙌🏽🙌🏽
27:07 wait Ariana really ate up that speech, like I completely grasp it. I didn't watch that interview until now
She really did and I’m glad that she was able to speak about it on her own terms🙌🏽 the example about going to Thanksgiving. Dinner was so valid. Because I’m sure many of us have been triggered by comments from family members and it sticks with you. So imagine having millions of people consistently down your throat based on your looks and speculation. It’s become way too normalized to just openly speak about those things.
@ agreed, that was what struck a cord in me because it’s so true. Literally had Thanksgiving and I was silent the whole time cuz I just wanted to avoid the toxicity and the slick comments of my family, it’s not a good feeling. I couldn’t imagine being treated like that on such a large scale. She’s right, people are WAY too brave making rude and nasty comments, it’s not right
first time watcher. amazing. subscribed.
Thank you so much!☺️
Ooo lemme get my popcorn 🍿
Kick your feet up and enjoy!!
Ok so this is super random and has nothing to do with the video but i have to speak my mind it makes me sad that there are people who actually hate that glinda wore pink through out the movie . I for one loved it tge outfits were beautiful and aesthetic and whimsical (AND NOT TO MENTION PINKKKKKK!!!!)and they were so unique and fun , basically what I'm trying to say us JUSTICE for glindas outfits and JUSTICE FOR PINK!!!💓
Not random at all! Someone else also mentioned this point in the comments because people were complaining about her wearing pink the whole time. I was so surprised when people were kind of irritated by that because I saw nothing wrong with it. The more pink the better 😂 ( at least to me)
Oh yesssss!!! I was waiting for this one!!!!!!!! 🩷💚
Yay!! I hope you enjoy the vid🩷
Knowing that Christen was actually sweet in real life is refreshing. These giant, beloved names are usually disappointing to meet in public/random situations.
9:19 That, in my opinion was due to Ariana Grande bringing her knowledge of old-school Wicked and what makes it great into the movie.
I absolutely agree
18:07 - 18:35 IVE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO SAY THIS OMG REALLL
People really aren’t making the parallels!
30:04 As for the marketing issue, from what I understand, Barbie has always been associated with pink, while Wicked has not. A lot of Wicked's initial marketing felt unrelated to the movie's story or history.
As for "Wicked," the duo-color marketing felt more disingenuous because it was already done recently, and their colors aren't as heavily tied to their characters as Barbie’s, aside from Elphaba, obviously.
(However, renaming the "University of Greenwich" to the "University of Green Witch" was pretty clever, but I digress.)
Comparing "Barbenheimer" and "Glicked," Barbenheimer just had better correlation. Barbie has always been associated with pink and happiness, while Oppenheimer was the polar opposite. Additionally, both Barbie dolls and nuclear bombs have had massive social impacts on American culture, and their concurrent release dates were intentional and meant to rival each other due to a feud between Christopher Nolan and Warner Bros., but it had the opposite effect. Therefore, while Barbenheimer wasn't a complete coincidence, its popularization arose from grass-roots, fan-driven marketing, which added to its authentcity and appeal
Glicked, on the other hand, shared no correlation, which made the marketing come off as disingenuous. Plus, the casting of Ariana Grande as Glinda, without the public's awareness of her long love for the character and her deep-rooted history in musical theatre, made many initially feel like the producers only cast her to use her fame to sell tickets.
Although these aren't massive issues on their own, I think they collectively contributed to the initial hesitation among people to watch Wicked before it actually premiered.
Overall, I would say the movie itself did a better job of promoting its release.
I do apologize if this comment came off as blunt. I tried writing in an understandable way, but I can see how my comment may undermine the efforts of the Wicked marketing team.
I hope this atleast brought things more into perspective though! 😅👍
Camryn uploaded. I’m sat.
Appreciate youu!❤️
Will you ever consider doing a video on Hip Hop/Rap especially Female Rap? Like the state of it and back then and icons like Lil Kim, Foxy Brown, Nicki Minaj, Lauryn Hill and Missy Elliott (just to name a few). And how Nicki Minaj saved female rap in the late 2000s and the whole of the 2010s. How Lil Kim and Foxy Brown brought new things to rap, how Missy Elliott changed it in the late 90s and how Lauryn Hill changed it in 1998 with her album. The way female rap changed from the mid-late 80s to the whole the 90s and how Nicki revived it and how her and legends before her inspire the new girls.
Yes! That’s actually my next goal in that series of videos. I’m not as big of a rap girly so there is a lot more research i wanna do for that video bc I want to make sure I have all the details! That will definitely be on the docket🫶🏽
@@CamrynSuzanne ❤
6:20
So the director admits that the actors had to go through an entire physical and mental transformation in order to play these characters. He also admits that they were extra hard on Ariana, totally wiping away her personality because he didnt want the public to associate her with her. Now I understand whats happening to Cynthia and Ariana, they were completely brainwashed and reprogrammed. I hope they get therapy to help find themselves again. I'm sorry but I like the red lipped poster of Cynthia however the comments about what color are her lady parts was crude and out of line. Nobody was saying that mess about Zoe Saldana when she play Gamora.
*Sidenote*
I lost it when the mom said her kid fell off a broom after trying to ride it 😂😂
Back with another video! Always 🔥
I appreciate the support! It means a lot to me
Every person who thinks Elphaba was cast for diversity points needs to be sat down and played literally any 10 second snippet off that soundtrack. Cynthia is an absolute beast and she deserves respect, she earned that role 10 times over.
Agree 100%
I did end up seeing the poster fiasco on Twitter and I will admit after that subconsciously it did put me off seeing the movie. It just seemed like a non issue but I know Cynthia has gotten hate in the past due to previous roles so that probably attributed to her reaction although still unwarranted. But tbf even now seeing how these news article were treating Cynthia I kind of get it. I ended up seeing the movie and I was blown away. I will be seeing it again.
Really and truly her reaction even though weird at the time isn’t that big of the deal out of celebrities doing crazy shit and I think people were and are still really hard on Cynthia. Just seeing her interviews I can tell she has a lot of passion about the movie and she should. Anyways my point is to see the movie. Worth the coin.
We haven't even scratched the surface. This movie was peak, the best thing that has ever happened this decade since Guardians of the Galaxy, Elemental, Inside Out 2 which also came out this year! This was absolutely perfection to the W. Everything was done right!
Side note: I LOVEDDD Inside Out 2
I loved the movie. I like how it’s ambiguous and the message is based on how you connect with the movie. My favorite scene was the Ozdust ballroom and the ending. Both powerful and made me emotional. I do see some people are refusing to see the political message of the movie but it’s important as it can open a discussion of today’s political climate
Yes, i honestly think that’s one of my favorite parts of the movie. The message and depth that exists there depending on how far you want to take it. It’s so relevant to a lot of conversations we’re having currently and it’s refreshing to see a story like this on the big screen in this format
Honestly this made me want to see it. ❤
This video helped me hold space for the movie
😂😂
I kno it would’ve been challenging (I for sure kno marketing executives tried too)
I’m just happy they actually marketed as musicals.
They got leads that understand how to sing,understand musical theater & director that understands how to translate Boardway musical to the big screen without being ashamed it’s theater roots.
Yes, I’ve been hearing this a lot as well! The appreciation for actually embracing the fact that it’s a musical and not hiding that fact. I think a lot of musicals producing Hollywood lately have been shying away from it when there’s an audience that exist that will enjoy it. I think it’s a false advertising that pisses people off the most. For example, I know this was an issue with the mean girls movie that came out. I guess a lot of people didn’t realize that it was a musical based off of the marketing.
Haven't seen the movie but wow it sounds super interesting and good to know that it is doing well. I will say that I agree w/ Cynthia in regards to that Wicked poster fan edit. Removing or obfuscating a person's eyes is an act of dehumanization (often seen in gruesome media as just black bars on top of perpetrator's eyes even for an example), It's as the saying goes "Eyes are the windows to one's soul". While there are times when creative people do that very carefully w/ intent to add a bit of mystery and intrigue to the character esp. if they might be villainous, such a change to the poster just rubs me the wrong way as if some foul play from racially motivated people was involved while they can very conveniently hide behind the excuse of 'fixing the poster'. I'd say even then actual movie version of the poster fits a lot better to the primary themes than the original one and the fanedit one (much more subtle smirks from both Cynthia and Ariana which can get someone thinking whether if it's a sinister one or not really sells it).
OH and your edits n' inserts game is firing on all cylinders Camryn! Love to see those 😊
I watched the wicked I was scared that people would start singing in the theatre because hello im here to watch Ariana and Cynthia perform and listen to the songs not there voices thank god nobody singed
I’m so glad everyone got the memo in my theater because absolutely not 😅
Heyy!! My mom and I were talking about checking out!!
You should foresure!
Gurl when yoy post you dont misss
Thank youu☺️ i’ve been really trying my best
Ppl like Glinda are the villains. She’s complicit in the wizards propaganda and if it wasn’t for her likability i think everyone would see that. It’s particularly why I’ve seen arguments about whose story is actually more interesting( which is really sad) Glindas never been a complex character.
12:22 love him for that 🤣 bc how is this interviewer seriously going to disregard the vocal power Cynthia has?
I swear if you look at these celebs through the lens like they’re at their 9 to 5 it really makes the weepiness and snappiness make sense. Like most of these interviews take place on the same long ass day back to back with complete strangers no wonder they’re breaking down. It’s human af.
Honestly with the crying... I get people thinking it's so dramatic. But when you have been in something so beautiful and the experience was absolutely amazing and you actually love the people you worked with to the point where going to work does not feel like work, when you reflect on everything, you *do* get emotional. You're happy and sad at the same time because it's all over now but you all produced something incredible. I really got so annoyed with people saying "oh they're being so dumb and all" because I could understand why they were getting so emotional. They even said in multiple interviews why they got so emotional but people just ran with the hate.
Yesss, I do agree that a lot of the crying and drama in interviews has only been seen in clips or in one context & seeing the movie absolutely puts it into perspective. I don’t know if you also saw but ari and Cynthia did an interview on the “ holding space for the lyrics of defying gravity” moment and also said they were confused as to what was going on as well😂 i do like their acknowledgment and ability to laugh along with some of these moments too
Yessss finally
Hope you enjoy🙌🏽🙌🏽
@@CamrynSuzanne watching it on break 🤭
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Drama kid in me was really happy to see that throwback photo of you. I personally feel like it is definitely dragged out but considering we haven’t had a high quality musical movie in a while I want it to never end haha. I couldn’t stop thinking what did Ari see in Ethan…. So I laughed a lot throughout it but was mad Cynthia didn’t get paid as much. I had a lot of parasocial feelings of bipoc vs white actors pay differences Cynthia was killing her role in ways it was better than Ariana’s acting and skill set!
they were paid the same...also you don't need to put down Ari's skill to praise Cynthia
@@trini2DBone134 Sure they may have been paid the same after it had to be debunked from the legit erasure Cynthia validating felt and had very much of a reason to vocalize. Everyone know's Ariana is talented, but as a black woman, I constantly have to validate the skills that I also am qualified in, which is exactly how Cynthia felt and why I responded my feelings. You don't have to understand, but you also don't have to be comment about something you clear misconstrued and can't relate to.
@@trini2DBone134 The rumor of the pay discrepancy occurred after the repetitive erasure that Cynthia felt. Airana is not the lead role and no one ever dismissed her talent. As a BIPOC theatre kid, I simply am in solidarity of Cynthia's feelings and emotions. I hope you take the time to reconize her talent and why the industry is harder on black women to simply just exist.
Unrelated topic but I was wondering if you would love to do an analysis video of Shakira and Beyoncé careers and how they both become so relevant to 3 decades
Do to Shakira doing her first stadium tour in the United States
I will definitely add this to my list👏🏽
omg Beautiful Liar deserves so much love!! The 2000s cultural reset
I wasn’t too sure if I was gonna like this movie, I enjoy musicals but I didn’t know much about the source material. However, it really blew me away. The sets, costumes, story songs everything. The actors I do think were the best part tho. Cynthia and Ari were amazing but honestly I was really blown away by Johnathan Bailey as fiyero. Bro was giving it 200% in dancing Thur life.
I also went into it not sure if I would be as excited about the film & if it would live up to the hype but I completely agree. The energy, effort and dedication to the story shined through the screen and it was great to watch
I watched to the end, you are hilarious!😂 40:13
I forgot I kept that in there😂😭
7:42 I thought I was the only one 😭 that noticed this
12:22 I mean he didn’t lie…love Cynthia down but Ariana has more impact across the board Ari is an Icon glad they received the same level of pay though
15:18 mind you her posting this also sent people after the creator of that picture that was “hurtful”
17:33 😭😭😭😭 no seriously though popular was good like they needed to chill out
I seen someone yesterday complaining about how Glinda wore pink all thru the movie like they just trying to find anything to say about the movie
18:54 !!!!!!!
22:20 literally was so confused about “holding space” trending on tiktok
23:28 the people making jokes about it sending meee
26:02 someone on twitter said “when theater kids are in the spotlight”
29:03 I didn’t agree with this I felt like young kids that are trying to break into broadway should’ve been allowed to watch
Love your play by play comments👏🏽😂 also I saw that complaint about her wearing pink the whole movie…i was like damn people will never be happy😅😅
@ 🫶🏽🫶🏽🫶🏽 and after seeing that comment I was just done like you can never satisfy people me personally I loved Glinda wardrobe and the cute PINK items that came with 😂
Im just happy it was a good film “musical “
I’m so glad I got rid of twitter cos there’s NONE OF THIS on threads. Lol.
It’s so funny to me that the only reason we know Ethan Slater’s name and face is because of Ariana. Lol.
Wicked marketing is just Cosmo and Wanda being sneaky as heck- they everywhere now
@@Suigintou96 😂😂😂😂
i genuinely believe a lot of people (not all) who said they wont watch this movie or hated it are just doing it because its ariana grande in it, which really sucks for them because its honestly a really good movie. The singing is amazing both women are very talented.
true but on the flip side, just as many are watching BECAUSE she's in so there's a positive side to it
I was just thinking this too! It goes both ways but the movie is doing so well in the box office
@@trini2DBone134 oh yeah ur right
Yeah a lot of people were saying prior too that they wouldn’t watch because of that reason. I gotta say that if that was the sole reason why some people didn’t watch, they’re definitely missing out
It's cute that you have a pic with Kristin. I have a pic with Idina! She was SO nice and humble.
After watching through your video I agree with all your takes and perspective. The colour and light felt completely appropriate to Gregory Maguire's Oz.
I did a 101 point breakdown of Wicked on my channel. I'd be honoured if you'd check it out!
Yes! A very sweet memory I have. She was so so kind. Also omg I will definitely return the love and check it out ❤️
I’ve been waitingggg to see a black person break this movie down
Glad I made this vid🙏🏾
Great video. However I think it should be noted that while Alexia Khadime is currently the only black to play the role of Elphaba full-time, she is not the only black actress to play Elphaba in a professional production. There was Saycon Sengbloh, Emmy Raver-Lampman and Lilli Cooper played the role.
I don’t think it was ever really about the poster. It’s like how when couples argue about the stove but it’s never really about the stove. It’s about the buildup of let downs that contribute to an argument over seemingly stupid things. I think what she was actually upset about (maybe because I don’t live in her head but I do know what it’s like to feel not important) the fandom not seeing her. Not seeing her talent, not loving her as a person. If someone live Dove got the role, there would be equal discourse much more love on her side. For Cynthia she was so nonexistent to the public people barely know her name, we just know Ariana grande was in it and to most people Ariana SEEMS more important. It’s unfair and it’s understandable she was upset for being mocked. 14:08
The movie was actually announced in 2012 meaning it has been a DECADE that fans of the musical have been waiting for this movie. A lot of Cynthia “drama” is simply misogynist bccs if it were Ariana in that position she’d be a “icon” (I can say this I love Ariana and her music but I’m also a black woman) I also HATED the marketing for the movie because they marketed it as just some chick flick about friends which it is but it’s so much more than that and I also blame marketing for the Cynthia being overlooked thing it’s so dumb. Another thing is when you’re in a musical, you’re doing a LOT of dancing for many hours of the day especially since this is a film that means they had to put forth 10x the energy for multiple takes for 12 hour work days. Logically with all that exercise you’re gonna lose a little weight. Also there have been other black elphabas on the west end and as replacements the one you mentioned was just the first one
Sorry this comment is long I’ve literally been in love with the musical since I was 3 so I have a lot of thoughts
I understand Cynthia's point of view.
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"motivated by justice and morality" this also translates to real life, yet those who do are treated like a joke in our society.
Exactly
31:57 heyyy did you forget to link the creators you mentioned or changed your mind? if you have some reccomendations, i'd love to check it out. ❤
I swear on my life on the internet everyone is a professional in every field went to college in every topic imaginable for 15 years has 20+ years experience ESPECIALLY when it comes to vocals and vocal technique omfg I feel like everyone on the planet is a professional vocal coach at this point 😂
@@mckai4717 right😭 like sometimes it’s okay to leave our opinions very surface about things we really don’t know
that’s my LIME 💚
9:40 *Crowd goes wild with booing*
Stan Twitter doesn't take everything as a joke. They take it as a passive aggressive action and then they retaliate accordingly. Ariana stans felt like Ariana was being attacked by Cynthia in a passive aggressive action when Cynthia referenced erasure. So Ariana stans reflected that assumed aggression back at Cynthia. Ariana stans have been known to make racist/out-of-pocket comments as a defense mechanism for Ariana's black fishing. Now stans automatically deflect anything a person of color says in contrast to Ariana even when its not directly attacking Ariana. I 100% believe stans directly attacked Cynthia because of an underlying racism in defense of Ariana's black fishing. If this was not the narrative, then stans would've not been so quick to belittle Cynthia.
Edit: I want to make it abundantly clear, I don't have a problem with Ariana. I have a problem with the racist passive aggressive nature of her hard core fans. It's gross and I will never disclose to anyone I'm an Ariana fan. I do not want to be associated with that awful behavior.
2nd edit 🫣: I'm extremely frustrated with how the election ended. Cheeto puff won with, close to, the amount of votes he lost with in 2020.
I was a first time voter in 2016. I voted Hillary not because I wanted to, but because I had to. I felt a deep sense of sorrow and disappoint when orange peel won.
Same thing this year. With Kamala, my issues on Palestine were still not addressed by the party. However that was my main issue, I had a few more but obliviously I was gonna vote Kamala vs throw my vote away, with such high steaks. I thought others would do the same. My mistake in 2016 became my mistake in 2024, believing there is no possible way burnt toast could win. I think it's extremely disheartening that a portion of leftist, moral voter's used this election of all elections to use their vote in protest. It didn't work and now we're f'd.
the first 2 times I watched it, I fell a sleep
Omg really? Through out all the singing?
Yes❤
Hey there! Thanks for watching!