3:02 if someone missed what was the error, VOR DME ILS approach involves the plane flying over the VOR signal transmitter which is situated at the airport then flying certain amount of miles away and turning back to align with the runway whereas the arc approach will have have fly 12 miles away from the transmitter in a arc/semi-circle shape so that he is constantly 12 miles away from it and then when he is close, aligns with the runway and lands. He didn't overfly the airport but was 12 miles out, did the arc and came in. You can notice he is not comfortable with English and struggles to readback the complete message and replies with "wilco" i.e will comply. Now atc allowed it probably because the area was not that busy, I recon she is from the air force tower, but on a busy day they would just let them know while on air. What really surprises me is at that moment probably 2 sets of crew were in the cockpit i.e 4 pilots. The pilot flying should have for sure asked the pilot monitoring, who is the radio operator what is going on. But aviation is a tough business, it is easy to get nervous and humans have a tendency to do such errors closer to destination. He even misses his callsign with Emirates 568 and not 586, if you are confused just always ask.
@@losedarkhorse well yes I am not aware of how Emirates work, so thanks for the update but I would stress on the word I used- "probably" 2 set of crew not "surely". I agree with the fact that Emirates has some standards when it comes to english and that's what surprises me. I want to believe there is a difference between the language not being his preferred one and him not being comfortable with it, everyone has a different opinion and somehow I felt the latter is correct. It's just the level of perfect one expects from Emirates that makes one sceptical after seeing it unfold, I don't mean to offend you, just wanted you to know what is in my mind.
Ron Baruah Right. What I don’t understand is, if ATC cleared them for a VOR/DME ILS approach, they would have selected it on the FMC and executed it by following the system. Wonder what they were thinking! Wonder what the Captain was doing! Unless they were planning to save time and effort.
@@XerxesLangrana because the approach isn't available on the FMC. Yes you can select the runway and tell the aircraft you are going to use the ils so it automatically tunes in the frequency, but then overflying the dme is basic nav and needs a few calculations from the pilot, overall slightly complicated to explain in the comments but you can find videos on how airliners do it.
Every now & then I watch your video very spontaneously even though I don't understand any ATC related phenomenon. Every time I see aircraft in the sky I stare at it just like a kid. What a wonderful feeling!
I guess because of lack of aircraft, ATC allowed the manuover. If this was a busy airport , Emirates would have been warned and they would have filed a report.
The problem here is expectation vs reality. When you are a regular inbound from the West you almost always do the arc. When you are not a regular you expect the arc as the VOR overhead doesn't make sense to the pilot brain. ATC was clear but the crew should have asked for the arc approach clearance. You have to be mindful in DAC that the arc is not always a standard clearance althouh you might fly it 95% of the time.
Accurate ! Must be a crew as well i supposed. Dhaka traffic management is a mess... they should seriously consider implimemting STARs and SID. Its 2023 they still need us to report almost every position down to final approach fix !😅 which is shocking. Just came back from there 😂
@@snhoque says who? The most error caused in aviation are pilot errors. Also small mistakes here and there are quite common cause there are way too many things to do. Specially on a busy day. I think more correct way of putting it would be: pilots should not make serious and obvious mistakes.
@Rony Hasan 737 issue happened cause the pilots were not trained adequately to deal with the situation and the changes boeing made to the aircraft, initially pilots weren't even aware of the new system changes. I don't recall it properly now but think it was some MCAS related issue causing run-away stabilizer with a simple fix as turn off stab trim (but no one knew then) But i will tell you why most errors are pilot input errors 1) sometimes it's miscommunication like the one is this video they landed safely but if there would have been any traffic flying the dme arc, tcas would have gone off. 2) even when the aircrafts are automated does not mean they fly on their own they still need the data inputs from pilots (if your expected approach / route changes now a pilot has to make the changes in mcdu/fms or whatever flight computer the aircraft has, re-brief the approach, make required navigation radio freq changes, monitor for traffic and listen out on comm freq make changes according to atc (if busy aerodrome), re do decent calculation etc. So a potential to make lot of tiny errors (add fatigue factor to that and the chances of errors go up exponentially) but all these errors are usually small and cause no grave danger also if not the automation only helps to keep the aircraft safe. 3) when we think of aviation most of us only think of big aircrafts like boeing and airbus, you also have to consider general aviation aircrafts which do not offer similar automation control and requires manual inputs and computations. Ask any pilot and they will tell you how many mistakes they have made during duty times! At some point in aviation exam one will come across such question correct answer being pilot error (cause general aviation also makes a big part of aviation)
@Rony Hasan yeah the 737 was an exceptional case, it was a software issue agreed never said it was pilot error , No one knew what to do when it happened also boeing initially didn't even knew what was causing it. The automation wasn't high it was just the pilot turning off the wrong systems cause they didn't knew any better, turning off autopilot did nothing cause it wasn't a part of it. MCAS was more like a flight augmenting system boeing designed to make the max have the same flying characteristics as the 737NG and worked independently, and boeing didn't feel necessary to publish that changes, only boeing is to be blamed for those crashes. i am not saying automation is fail safe infact there is probably 100 of aircrafts flying now with some equipment or system that isn't working but every aircraft operators have a mel (minimum equipment list) i.e the minimum amount of serviceable equipment an aircraft should have to carry out safe operations there is also a master minimum equipment list (mmel) but lets not get there. Point is even if automation fails the pilot can turn off that system and take manual control. Aviation is more safer than it ever used to be but when it comes to errors pilot are known to make a lot of them and only thing it ever causes is some embarrassment infront of the companion pilot and nothing else.
@Rony Hasan lol no offense but you have very limited knowledge on this can you elaborate on what signal it didn't catch? seems likes a post you took off google.. Let me help you with the pilot's story who actually experienced it. www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2019/5/2/18518176/boeing-737-max-crash-problems-human-error-mcas-faa Please read it all Also I can't figure what point are you trying to make! What is the argument about? Like automation makes aircraft more unsafe? That's very debatable. Also one can take manual control of aircraft, there is no automated system for aircraft control that you can't manually override if there is any please tell me. ( this boeing issue was a massive misinformation and lack of training regarding the the new aircraft and changes) can you give me some other cases of such?
Dhaka ATC officer is very professional. Even though the pilot mistake for the approach, she stay calm and did not disturb the landing of the aircraft. After the aircraft safely landed, then she calmly described to the pilot about his mistake on landing the plane. Good ATC..
@Safwan Hamed kts Heathrow is very busy and has radar. No procedural approaches done there, all aircraft are vectored to finals, i.e. ATC gives them headings up to the final approach fix and they are ‘fed’ into the ILS. Same with all major airports with heavy traffic.
Professionally handled by ATC. She showed forgiveness by not filing a report. But it happens. In a busy situation, it could have been different. Pilot also didn’t report inbound turn for rwy 14 as requested by ATC. Btw, I personally love flying the DME 12 Arc approach in the flight sim.
Inside story, Dhaka ATC sometimes make jokes about Emirates pilot that even before departure from DXB, they input the arc approach in the FMC because they only learn to do this whatever the situation is..
I don’t know how you all judge when the communication with the App controller is missing from this video!!! Anyway we all humans and misunderstandings happens every where and ATC controllers jobs is to make sure that the pilots received the right information by listening to the readback.
He carried out an approach that he wasn't clear for. (objective was to cross the airport then turn around and come back for landing) Instead of carrying out a over head vor dme ils approach ( which requires flying on approach track till overhead vor (airport)then flying outbound on a radial for some published distance then doing a procedure turn after to establish on ils for final (no charts referred). he did an vor dme arc which means at a certain dme distance from the vor say 14 nm dme arc, you turn to left or right to establish on a dme arc (imagine a vor as a centre point of a circle which has a radius of 14nm) so you fly your aircraft on that 14 nm circumference till you get to the other side of the airport crossing it on a semi-circle path then establish on final. Edit: In simple terms instead of going over the airport to the other side you go around the airport. And the mistake was he was supposed to go over the airport for landing from the other direction but he went around it.
It’s the pilot not the ATC. ATC was very much clear about the instructions. Doesn’t matter how their accent and pronunciation is but they said everything as per the rules. However pilot didn’t even gave full read back. What is need of saying wilco everytime you answer ?
@@muhammadsultanularafin8846 I know that. I am a pilot as well. But you have to read back full instructions as given. You can't just say half of it and add wilco every time.
@RoyalBengalAviation Exactly that was my point. Full read backs are really important. Such practices can be dangerous or even fatal at much busier airports. When I was in training I remember how my instructor would hit me for not reading back full sentence 😂
@@mitto20 English is not my first language but when I was doing my flight training pushed myself really hard to learn English. A student pilots English is better than this Pilot. Funny thing is when ever we see a pilot flying for a nice airline we think they must be great. This pilot is lucky this happened in a 3rd world country should have tried this in USA, Canada or Uk.
Shaikh Hoque He might be selected due to Emiratization or with influence. When there is no strict law drawn, irrespective of any country: developed, developing or under developed, in their rule book, it would be easy for the person who made a mistake and get away with it.
why was an EVA Air flying at low altitude about 2 km over VGHS around 11:30 am 27 aug 19. It was showing in flightradar24. It had no call sign but reg B-16723.
VOR DME ILS approach is the approach using the ILS system to land and the ARC approach is the approach using Localizer on the designated runway...i think
Masood Saleem...………...Pilot couldn't even speak English (English isn't my first language) but whenever I go to a new airport? I always review all those approaches they have so when the ATC talks with me I actually know what they are saying but this pilot doesn't have NO clue. He is lucky it happened in 3rd world country not in USA or Canada. I really liked to know how this pilot get the job with a such a great airline.
QDM is one of many Q codes in aviation and Q codes are sort of a short terms used to describe various things related to navigation, weather, procedures etc. QDM Means - magnetic heading from the aircraft to the VOR station located on ground. A very basic explanation - VOR is a ground based navigation aid located at or near the airport that uses a series of magnetic radials in all directions, a aircraft can use one of these 360 degree radials (360 cause that makes a complete circle) to fly near and away from the vor station in any direction. Vor is also used in aviation for approach, holds, enroute navigation etc In this case the vor was used as a part of approach for landing and the Arc is a part of a vor dme approach which keeps you at constant distance away from the airport (imagine the airport as the centre point of the circle and you are flying your aircraft on its circumference ) but you don't fly in rounds around the airport you only fly half or less than half of the circle (Hence called ARC) till you are close enough to turn and join the runway heading for landing. Edit: DME- stands for distance measuring equipment and it does exactly what the name says. Its a standalone equipment but is mostly co-located with the vor station and also is frequency paired with it. So if a vor station is tuned it automatically gives the approximate distance to the vor as well.
We like emirates dubai people are very good compared to other arab countries we should appreciate bcz they are really doing hard work to achieve targets in there life spending too much money to learn English
Pilots either couldn't be bothered entering the hold due to their QDM to the VOR and then flying on the outbound radial or genuinely thought they were cleared on the DME arc. It would be interesting to see what their FMS was programmed to do and whether they became children of the magenta.
I guess more of an ego thing with the lady. At the beginning of the video the PNF tells ATC they are on the arc, after which she clears them for the 12 DME arc approach. She could have denied authorisation then and there and made them do the VOR/DME ILS approach instead. It is likely that Approach control authorised them for the arc as well, so the PNF claims when she reprimands them. There is no issue with language. The PNF understands and speaks English perfectly well albeit with a heavy accent. Very professional crew. No problem here. No safety compromised.
@@Great_WesternTVFan it has become a kind of trend in Bangladesh and Emirates is also quite flexible for Middle-Eastern routes and to all the Western countries. :)
is this a fault of Emirates or Dhaka tower?? at 0.35 emirates were cleared for 12 dme arc runway 14.... but at 3.16, she was saying that Emirates were not cleared for 12 dme arc approach.....its clearly audible. Still Emirates apologised. Still the behavior of both sides were really appreciateable.
Even at the dtart of the video atc told him to go and report for VOR. And pilot confirmed he joind the arc approach. As the path was clear atc didnt bother to change or cancel the approach.
At 0:15 they were cleared for the VOR DME Approach, but when the pilot said he was established on the DME ARC, the tower didn't change it. That doesn't necessarily have to mean the tower was happy about it. Tower cleared him for the VOR DME Approach, but didn't want to make issues so she recleared for DME ARC. Like the Emirates pilot said that Approach advised them a DME ARC, so they flew it. If they are right, then probably it was a miscommunication between Tower and Approach control. If so, neither Tower, nor the pilots were at fault.
Alamin khan Power show korte chaile they would've denied the claims. Ora oita Kore nai, they accepted their mistake. Mistakes happen, it's normal in any field.
@@amirghazanfer2875 There were several spelling changes in the past, colour/ color, houndred/ hundred, favourite/ favorite. If you type those spellings these days, spell checker would mark them as wrong. Does that mean the way we were thought before was wrong? By the way I meant to type it as pronunciation, maybe it was a typing error. For you to point it out as a mistake, is really dumb of you. Let's see you type a paragraph if you are such an expert. Go on.
All Pilots and ATC’s have to do an ELP ( English language proficiency) test. They are then graded. A license cannot be issued without it. Depending on the level attained you have to be rechecked every so often.
Lol alot of ignorance here, simply approach cleared em for the arc approach without coordination with tower n tower blames the pilot for doin what approach controller told him to do. 3rd world countries atc is not that gd anyways. Cant blame the pilot for not understanding cuz she talks rlly quick n with an accent.
A native Bangladeshi thinks, ATC was perfectly spoken. An outsider thinks, she speaks so fast and not clear. At the other end, pilot wud have gone wrong, but he is clear with his conversation. Both pilot and ATC are non English speakers with their respective accent, be mindful about this before commenting.
@@losedarkhorse This aircraft was in IMC. PIC must abide by the instruction of ATC for their own safety, ya TCAS can avoid fatal collision but do you know there was a collision between a passanger aircraft and helicopter? TCAS failed in this case.
Muhammad sultanul arafin TCAS can fail but the fact is the atc in its system could have spotted other traffic and any chance of collision could have been avoided. The atc figures it out very quickly what type of approach the flight was initiating despite they waited till it lands because they were aware that a chance of collision in this case was extremely unlikely. All ended well here that’s all matters.
@@RoyalBengalAviation no, they have to say, have some common sense dude, go check 4444 document you fill find it, btw her is accent is also hard to understand
The plane was Emirates but landed like Ryanair. Want to check the spine condition of the passengers. Lol. And what an accent. I feel like I broke one of my tooth while trying to imitate. 😂😂😂😂
Foyaze Ridwan Naquive with all due respect I couldn’t see any rebound or excessive grinding, both belly gears touched down pretty much with synchronisation, if anything I would say it’s probably one of their better landings.
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The ATC woman controller at Dhaka airport was very professional kind and patient with the pilot. Very experienced well done.
She is from air force
No, you are wrong Travel my bangladesh , she is a retired pilot worked for Etihad Airways. And her name is Rojia Akhtar
@@changamanga8400 very professional.. do you sure that any Bangladeshi Pilot works for Etihad past?
@@tourist_fiction She is a Civil Controller.
Dhaka atc is one of the worst in the region
3:02 if someone missed what was the error, VOR DME ILS approach involves the plane flying over the VOR signal transmitter which is situated at the airport then flying certain amount of miles away and turning back to align with the runway whereas the arc approach will have have fly 12 miles away from the transmitter in a arc/semi-circle shape so that he is constantly 12 miles away from it and then when he is close, aligns with the runway and lands. He didn't overfly the airport but was 12 miles out, did the arc and came in.
You can notice he is not comfortable with English and struggles to readback the complete message and replies with "wilco" i.e will comply. Now atc allowed it probably because the area was not that busy, I recon she is from the air force tower, but on a busy day they would just let them know while on air. What really surprises me is at that moment probably 2 sets of crew were in the cockpit i.e 4 pilots. The pilot flying should have for sure asked the pilot monitoring, who is the radio operator what is going on.
But aviation is a tough business, it is easy to get nervous and humans have a tendency to do such errors closer to destination. He even misses his callsign with Emirates 568 and not 586, if you are confused just always ask.
@@losedarkhorse well yes I am not aware of how Emirates work, so thanks for the update but I would stress on the word I used- "probably" 2 set of crew not "surely". I agree with the fact that Emirates has some standards when it comes to english and that's what surprises me. I want to believe there is a difference between the language not being his preferred one and him not being comfortable with it, everyone has a different opinion and somehow I felt the latter is correct. It's just the level of perfect one expects from Emirates that makes one sceptical after seeing it unfold, I don't mean to offend you, just wanted you to know what is in my mind.
Ron Baruah Good explanation. It looks like they did a ‘vectors to final’ without asking permission.
@@XerxesLangrana thanks, they did the dme arc not vectors, which would need the atc giving them headings to turn.
Ron Baruah Right. What I don’t understand is, if ATC cleared them for a VOR/DME ILS approach, they would have selected it on the FMC and executed it by following the system. Wonder what they were thinking! Wonder what the Captain was doing! Unless they were planning to save time and effort.
@@XerxesLangrana because the approach isn't available on the FMC. Yes you can select the runway and tell the aircraft you are going to use the ils so it automatically tunes in the frequency, but then overflying the dme is basic nav and needs a few calculations from the pilot, overall slightly complicated to explain in the comments but you can find videos on how airliners do it.
Every now & then I watch your video very spontaneously even though I don't understand any ATC related phenomenon. Every time I see aircraft in the sky I stare at it just like a kid. What a wonderful feeling!
javed_mambo the same thing happens to me.
The same thing too
I guess because of lack of aircraft, ATC allowed the manuover. If this was a busy airport , Emirates would have been warned and they would have filed a report.
And if this was happened in emirates airport,they give a huge fine to pilots and airline also.
The problem here is expectation vs reality. When you are a regular inbound from the West you almost always do the arc. When you are not a regular you expect the arc as the VOR overhead doesn't make sense to the pilot brain. ATC was clear but the crew should have asked for the arc approach clearance. You have to be mindful in DAC that the arc is not always a standard clearance althouh you might fly it 95% of the time.
Accurate ! Must be a crew as well i supposed. Dhaka traffic management is a mess... they should seriously consider implimemting STARs and SID. Its 2023 they still need us to report almost every position down to final approach fix !😅 which is shocking. Just came back from there 😂
Shit happens..... but professionally handled by both parties
when you are a Pilot? you can't make NO mistake
@@snhoque says who? The most error caused in aviation are pilot errors.
Also small mistakes here and there are quite common cause there are way too many things to do. Specially on a busy day.
I think more correct way of putting it would be: pilots should not make serious and obvious mistakes.
@Rony Hasan 737 issue happened cause the pilots were not trained adequately to deal with the situation and the changes boeing made to the aircraft, initially pilots weren't even aware of the new system changes. I don't recall it properly now but think it was some MCAS related issue causing run-away stabilizer with a simple fix as turn off stab trim (but no one knew then)
But i will tell you why most errors are pilot input errors
1) sometimes it's miscommunication like the one is this video they landed safely but if there would have been any traffic flying the dme arc, tcas would have gone off.
2) even when the aircrafts are automated does not mean they fly on their own they still need the data inputs from pilots (if your expected approach / route changes now a pilot has to make the changes in mcdu/fms or whatever flight computer the aircraft has, re-brief the approach, make required navigation radio freq changes, monitor for traffic and listen out on comm freq make changes according to atc (if busy aerodrome), re do decent calculation etc. So a potential to make lot of tiny errors (add fatigue factor to that and the chances of errors go up exponentially) but all these errors are usually small and cause no grave danger also if not the automation only helps to keep the aircraft safe.
3) when we think of aviation most of us only think of big aircrafts like boeing and airbus, you also have to consider general aviation aircrafts which do not offer similar automation control and requires manual inputs and computations.
Ask any pilot and they will tell you how many mistakes they have made during duty times!
At some point in aviation exam one will come across such question correct answer being pilot error (cause general aviation also makes a big part of aviation)
@Rony Hasan yeah the 737 was an exceptional case, it was a software issue agreed never said it was pilot error , No one knew what to do when it happened also boeing initially didn't even knew what was causing it. The automation wasn't high it was just the pilot turning off the wrong systems cause they didn't knew any better, turning off autopilot did nothing cause it wasn't a part of it. MCAS was more like a flight augmenting system boeing designed to make the max have the same flying characteristics as the 737NG and worked independently, and boeing didn't feel necessary to publish that changes, only boeing is to be blamed for those crashes.
i am not saying automation is fail safe infact there is probably 100 of aircrafts flying now with some equipment or system that isn't working but every aircraft operators have a mel (minimum equipment list) i.e the minimum amount of serviceable equipment an aircraft should have to carry out safe operations there is also a master minimum equipment list (mmel) but lets not get there.
Point is even if automation fails the pilot can turn off that system and take manual control.
Aviation is more safer than it ever used to be but when it comes to errors pilot are known to make a lot of them and only thing it ever causes is some embarrassment infront of the companion pilot and nothing else.
@Rony Hasan lol no offense but you have very limited knowledge on this can you elaborate on what signal it didn't catch? seems likes a post you took off google.. Let me help you with the pilot's story who actually experienced it.
www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2019/5/2/18518176/boeing-737-max-crash-problems-human-error-mcas-faa
Please read it all
Also I can't figure what point are you trying to make! What is the argument about? Like automation makes aircraft more unsafe? That's very debatable. Also one can take manual control of aircraft, there is no automated system for aircraft control that you can't manually override if there is any please tell me. ( this boeing issue was a massive misinformation and lack of training regarding the the new aircraft and changes) can you give me some other cases of such?
Everybody are just talking about ATC & pilot conversation. But look at the weather....It’s soothing ❤️
Dhaka ATC officer is very professional. Even though the pilot mistake for the approach, she stay calm and did not disturb the landing of the aircraft. After the aircraft safely landed, then she calmly described to the pilot about his mistake on landing the plane. Good ATC..
I wonder how this would have looked like in Heathrow
No one makes procedural approaches all are radar monitored in busy airport
@Safwan Hamed kts Heathrow is very busy and has radar. No procedural approaches done there, all aircraft are vectored to finals, i.e. ATC gives them headings up to the final approach fix and they are ‘fed’ into the ILS. Same with all major airports with heavy traffic.
Professionally handled by ATC. She showed forgiveness by not filing a report. But it happens. In a busy situation, it could have been different. Pilot also didn’t report inbound turn for rwy 14 as requested by ATC. Btw, I personally love flying the DME 12 Arc approach in the flight sim.
Yamin Noor me too. One of the most complex and beautiful looking approaches ever! I fly it with my B738, SF50, and C172 in XP-10 Mobile.
Nice video! I really appreciate the behaviour from both atc and ek pilot.Wonder what would have happened if this was USA 😂
In that case we would have seen another hot JFK / LAX convo.
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@@RoyalBengalAviation very humble
Inside story, Dhaka ATC sometimes make jokes about Emirates pilot that even before departure from DXB, they input the arc approach in the FMC because they only learn to do this whatever the situation is..
আমি তো ভাবসিলাম ঝাড়ি মেরে উড়ায় দিবে হাহা ভদ্র ভাবে হ্যান্ডেল করসে :P
Been waiting for this since your post😅😅
And we are waiting for your video dude...come back
The Shaik pilot say... "in my country Bangladeshi follow my instructions... so do here."
Sound like dictator aladin
May be he is flying the plane 😁😁😂😂
u mean admiral general aaladeen
I don’t know how you all judge when the communication with the App controller is missing from this video!!! Anyway we all humans and misunderstandings happens every where and ATC controllers jobs is to make sure that the pilots received the right information by listening to the readback.
"Emirates 586 we are already on the arc". For what they want to change to arc approach? 🤔
I'am always impressed how good your camera is
@@RoyalBengalAviation i always can see a good quality and hear a good sound quality and i don't mean the ATC
I have also come by Emirates Ek 586
I didn’t understand what actually mistake happened
He carried out an approach that he wasn't clear for. (objective was to cross the airport then turn around and come back for landing)
Instead of carrying out a over head vor dme ils approach ( which requires flying on approach track till overhead vor (airport)then flying outbound on a radial for some published distance then doing a procedure turn after to establish on ils for final (no charts referred). he did an vor dme arc which means at a certain dme distance from the vor say 14 nm dme arc, you turn to left or right to establish on a dme arc (imagine a vor as a centre point of a circle which has a radius of 14nm) so you fly your aircraft on that 14 nm circumference till you get to the other side of the airport crossing it on a semi-circle path then establish on final.
Edit: In simple terms instead of going over the airport to the other side you go around the airport.
And the mistake was he was supposed to go over the airport for landing from the other direction but he went around it.
@@Capt.Alron.D Thanks man ♥
It’s the pilot not the ATC. ATC was very much clear about the instructions. Doesn’t matter how their accent and pronunciation is but they said everything as per the rules. However pilot didn’t even gave full read back. What is need of saying wilco everytime you answer ?
Wilco means pilot understands the instruction and will follow it but pilot carried out other approach!
@@muhammadsultanularafin8846 I know that. I am a pilot as well. But you have to read back full instructions as given. You can't just say half of it and add wilco every time.
@@rizwansario correct!
@RoyalBengalAviation Exactly that was my point. Full read backs are really important. Such practices can be dangerous or even fatal at much busier airports. When I was in training I remember how my instructor would hit me for not reading back full sentence 😂
@@RoyalBengalAviation bro will u tell me please how they can record V conversation between ATC and pilot
Emirates pilots should go for some English classes before every flight 😄
i like to know how he get the job with Emirates?
Hahahaa very much. They need to learn English properly. 🤣 Emiratization. 🤣🤣🤷🏽♂️
@@mitto20
English is not my first language but when I was doing my flight training pushed myself really hard to learn English. A student pilots English is better than this Pilot. Funny thing is when ever we see a pilot flying for a nice airline we think they must be great.
This pilot is lucky this happened in a 3rd world country should have tried this in USA, Canada or Uk.
Shaikh Hoque He might be selected due to Emiratization or with influence. When there is no strict law drawn, irrespective of any country: developed, developing or under developed, in their rule book, it would be easy for the person who made a mistake and get away with it.
@@mitto20 I think so too
why was an EVA Air flying at low altitude about 2 km over VGHS around 11:30 am 27 aug 19. It was showing in flightradar24. It had no call sign but reg B-16723.
Faulty transponder of a Fokker 50 of Sky Capital Cargo. Which is why B-16723, a Boeing 777-300ER of Eva Air, shows up very frequently near VGHS.
01:08 , a free vortex show....
Very smart dhaka tower
Appprrrrooocchh😂😂
what is "VOR DME " & "arch" approach?
VOR DME ILS approach is the approach using the ILS system to land and the ARC approach is the approach using Localizer on the designated runway...i think
Though both are non English speakers , but the pilot was way clear to understand.
Masood Saleem...………...Pilot couldn't even speak English (English isn't my first language) but whenever I go to a new airport? I always review all those approaches they have so when the ATC talks with me I actually know what they are saying but this pilot doesn't have NO clue.
He is lucky it happened in 3rd world country not in USA or Canada. I really liked to know how this pilot get the job with a such a great airline.
I'm perplexed to hear that Arabic guy finally accepted his mistake and said sorry! Lol
Amazing contrail at final!
And that is a warning letter
Can anyone explain what the f is this QDM VOR and ACR, Everyone talking here but am just reading it without having any idea :(
QDM is one of many Q codes in aviation and Q codes are sort of a short terms used to describe various things related to navigation, weather, procedures etc.
QDM Means - magnetic heading from the aircraft to the VOR station located on ground.
A very basic explanation - VOR is a ground based navigation aid located at or near the airport that uses a series of magnetic radials in all directions, a aircraft can use one of these 360 degree radials (360 cause that makes a complete circle) to fly near and away from the vor station in any direction.
Vor is also used in aviation for approach, holds, enroute navigation etc
In this case the vor was used as a part of approach for landing and the Arc is a part of a vor dme approach which keeps you at constant distance away from the airport (imagine the airport as the centre point of the circle and you are flying your aircraft on its circumference ) but you don't fly in rounds around the airport you only fly half or less than half of the circle (Hence called ARC) till you are close enough to turn and join the runway heading for landing.
Edit: DME- stands for distance measuring equipment and it does exactly what the name says.
Its a standalone equipment but is mostly co-located with the vor station and also is frequency paired with it. So if a vor station is tuned it automatically gives the approximate distance to the vor as well.
@Alron D'Abreo Best explanation. Thanks
Can u pls tell me how you getting the ATC along with the video......
I also love biman Bangladesh airlines and Emirates airlines 💖💖💖💖
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Humans make mistakes...But little bit ha😥
The fault was emirates pilot emirates pilots should learn some English before take off Dhaka ATC was right appreciate ATC DHAKA
We like emirates dubai people are very good compared to other arab countries we should appreciate bcz they are really doing hard work to achieve targets in there life spending too much money to learn English
How did he get his RT certified. Poor radio communications for an airline pilot mmmmh
I’ve heard worse.
Hey Mohammad, airline like Emirates can buy your whole country. Bangladeshis complaining about English is so funny 😂😂😂
Video Device?
Pilots either couldn't be bothered entering the hold due to their QDM to the VOR and then flying on the outbound radial or genuinely thought they were cleared on the DME arc. It would be interesting to see what their FMS was programmed to do and whether they became children of the magenta.
what camera setup do u have ??
I guess more of an ego thing with the lady. At the beginning of the video the PNF tells ATC they are on the arc, after which she clears them for the 12 DME arc approach. She could have denied authorisation then and there and made them do the VOR/DME ILS approach instead. It is likely that Approach control authorised them for the arc as well, so the PNF claims when she reprimands them. There is no issue with language. The PNF understands and speaks English perfectly well albeit with a heavy accent. Very professional crew. No problem here. No safety compromised.
How they can record v conversation between ATC and pilot
Open radio frequencies. No mystery
Cockpit voice recorder
@@Ghoosedad - No airline releases their cockpit data to the public!
Israr Hussain cockpit voice recorder and all ATC frequencies are recorded for any incident investigation.
THA ATC WOMAN VERY GOOD.
what is RT...?
Please don't judge me, but how do they (youtubers) listen to the radio colmunication between atc and pilot?
Probably they intercept
Like tapping their radio frequency or stuff
Why do so many Bangladeshi travellers use Emirates as their airline to fly to Bangladesh?
Because of swag.
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@@Great_WesternTVFan it has become a kind of trend in Bangladesh and Emirates is also quite flexible for Middle-Eastern routes and to all the Western countries. :)
@@Acepilot1312 oh ok
Bhai Bangladesh er runway te a380 capability nei na ??
@@RoyalBengalAviation oo
is this a fault of Emirates or Dhaka tower?? at 0.35 emirates were cleared for 12 dme arc runway 14.... but at 3.16, she was saying that Emirates were not cleared for 12 dme arc approach.....its clearly audible. Still Emirates apologised. Still the behavior of both sides were really appreciateable.
Even at the dtart of the video atc told him to go and report for VOR. And pilot confirmed he joind the arc approach. As the path was clear atc didnt bother to change or cancel the approach.
At 0:15 they were cleared for the VOR DME Approach, but when the pilot said he was established on the DME ARC, the tower didn't change it. That doesn't necessarily have to mean the tower was happy about it. Tower cleared him for the VOR DME Approach, but didn't want to make issues so she recleared for DME ARC. Like the Emirates pilot said that Approach advised them a DME ARC, so they flew it. If they are right, then probably it was a miscommunication between Tower and Approach control. If so, neither Tower, nor the pilots were at fault.
@@casilasgoalerThe tower controller is designated as the '"Aerodrome and Approach controller".
@@muhammadsultanularafin8846 Thank you sir. I never knew that. :)
@@muhammadsultanularafin8846 Sir are you also pilot?
Brother jeta korse valo kore nai.. Ora ki Dubai er power show kore ????
Alamin khan Power show korte chaile they would've denied the claims. Ora oita Kore nai, they accepted their mistake. Mistakes happen, it's normal in any field.
@@RoyalBengalAviation is this Mrs. Shahnoor Ahmad's voice from Dhaka ATC ?
@@syedaafreenali3392 No she is Sabrina Ahmad
একটা কম্পলিটলি আনরিলেটেড প্রশ্ন। এয়ার ট্রাফিক কন্ট্রোলার হওয়া যায় কিভাবে?
@@KMthouhid ua-cam.com/video/GnVEhNxEmTc/v-deo.html
They explained it here. :)
Wow so nice?
Where was the mistake??
Nice👍
Excellent Choice
Can anyone explain what happened there
Right or wrong
Mirza Aslam
That pilot doesn’t understand English
This is when an arab fly plane
How do you guys get the dialogues between ATC and Pilots?
What is the brand or model? আজ গরিব বলে কেউ বলতে চায় না।
These atc personnel's at Dhaka aren't really up to the mark. Their pronounciation and stuff aren't really good.
DevilsAdvisor Pronunciation *
@@amirghazanfer2875 There were several spelling changes in the past, colour/ color, houndred/ hundred, favourite/ favorite. If you type those spellings these days, spell checker would mark them as wrong. Does that mean the way we were thought before was wrong? By the way I meant to type it as pronunciation, maybe it was a typing error. For you to point it out as a mistake, is really dumb of you. Let's see you type a paragraph if you are such an expert. Go on.
All Pilots and ATC’s have to do an ELP ( English language proficiency) test. They are then graded. A license cannot be issued without it. Depending on the level attained you have to be rechecked every so often.
I want to be a pilot
Lipe123 Lipe123 work hard
Lol alot of ignorance here, simply approach cleared em for the arc approach without coordination with tower n tower blames the pilot for doin what approach controller told him to do. 3rd world countries atc is not that gd anyways. Cant blame the pilot for not understanding cuz she talks rlly quick n with an accent.
A native Bangladeshi thinks, ATC was perfectly spoken.
An outsider thinks, she speaks so fast and not clear.
At the other end, pilot wud have gone wrong, but he is clear with his conversation.
Both pilot and ATC are non English speakers with their respective accent, be mindful about this before commenting.
0;19 e pani sitacchilo kno
Runway teh pakhi ba kukur thakle erokm kore...
awesome video , liked
Ek586 or 585 2ta ami otse 4time 😍
Akabar 2007 r arakbar 2019
Ami o utsilam ek 585 a
Bhalo service.
Dhaka ATC need to upgrade their system ❤
What upgrade ?
It may be serious disastrous EK pilot says “ sorry “ lame excuse
Sangakkara1 although it was against the approved approach however the flight was under VMC and the aircraft had TCAS so no need to be alarmed.
@@losedarkhorse This aircraft was in IMC. PIC must abide by the instruction of ATC for their own safety, ya TCAS can avoid fatal collision but do you know there was a collision between a passanger aircraft and helicopter? TCAS failed in this case.
Muhammad sultanul arafin TCAS can fail but the fact is the atc in its system could have spotted other traffic and any chance of collision could have been avoided. The atc figures it out very quickly what type of approach the flight was initiating despite they waited till it lands because they were aware that a chance of collision in this case was extremely unlikely. All ended well here that’s all matters.
taxi tey plane takley ki kortoo?
well a controller with such a bad accent is a threat to every flight. lol
Kamran Dawood You must be dumb. Her information was clear although there is some sort of native accent.
ATC did a mistake, she said 1218 so she didn’t say 121 decimal 8
Royal Bengal Aviation # They have to, otherwise it would be consider an error. Even ICAO
Royal Bengal Aviation actually you do have to say decimal. Check 4444 documents. Standard RT.
@@RoyalBengalAviation no, they have to say, have some common sense dude, go check 4444 document you fill find it, btw her is accent is also hard to understand
Saghla pilot
Dubai will sue you...banGladesh.
im the captain on the flight she was attacking me with no resone
Amazing shot bro! Big fan of yours from Canada, keep up the great work!!
i thought it waw a game damn 😂
This is not real conversation
You are so dumb
The plane was Emirates but landed like Ryanair. Want to check the spine condition of the passengers. Lol. And what an accent. I feel like I broke one of my tooth while trying to imitate. 😂😂😂😂
Foyaze Ridwan Naquive I don’t see much wrong with that landing.
They r bettr than you..
@@losedarkhorse it was a hard landing. Emirates planes usually have very smooth landings unlike this one.
@@s_jd2608 yeah right. 😂😂😂😂
Foyaze Ridwan Naquive with all due respect I couldn’t see any rebound or excessive grinding, both belly gears touched down pretty much with synchronisation, if anything I would say it’s probably one of their better landings.