MOVESETS 2:15 Fly Return Close Combat Aerial Ace 3:25 Thunderbolt Shadow Ball Sand Attack Shock Wave 4:31 Close Combat Flamethrower Shadow Claw Mach Punch 6:31 Yawn Earthquake Rock Slide Crunch 7:26 Toxic Softboiled Protect Stealth Rock 8:50 Dragon Dance Ice Fang Waterfall Bite Credits to u/carefreeDesigner in Reddit for the background I used in my thumbnail.
This is well build up! I'm so glad Hippowdon made the list! Staraptor makes the list quite easily even if you go in-depth like this or you take the casual route, regional birds can really be fun and feel more like the main story / anime although I didnt pick him! It's good to see more reason behind Gyarados other than the typical "Its better than Floatzel" It's also great to not always see Garchomp so Hippowdonn & Quagsire get some respect. My team is Infernape / Gyarados / Roserade / Garchomp / Togekiss / Luxray however I think I might still switch Luxray to Jolteon (on level 45 whoops) and Roserade for Weavile. I'm curious how a casual optimised team would look like.. probably something like Barry's picks! Without his starters he would go Staraptor / Floatzel / Roserade / Rapidash & I guess Heracross for type fill & with 5 offense the bulky normal type snorlax just fits in?
Imagine if Garchomp was here? And rotom in place of Jolteon? Perfect team. Sand set up for Garchomp to solo every team because evasion is busted and Garchomp is basically a legendary. Gyarados should be the only intimidate user needed since it is the superior one of the two between it and Staraptor. So that can be replaced with Garchomp
my team is personalized😅 as my fav team in all pokemon thst also is quite effecient overral Shiny Sceptile (great Sp Atk & speed ) that can learn Thunder Bolt and Ice Beam (shiny can) Charizard ( Great Sp Atk & Fire-flying is a good combo) that can learn Rock Slide and Dragon Pulse Swampert ( Great Atk, water type with immunity to electric & slow speed/good healt wich is perfect for avalanche) brick break that is very effective on various types and avalanche perfect for swampert Dragonite (awesome Atk and Multiscale helps lot when going first) with Dragon Claw and Thunder Punch (perfect pokemon to lower health againts Gyarados or Garchomp) Garchomp ( awesome Atk + best counter for Psychics/ghosts ) Dragon Claw + crunch... and the buff hms slave... Snorlax( also great for restoring/reviving rest of the party while snorlax can take couples of hits)
Ever consider less than a 6 Pokemon team and/or experience scaling? Looking at your hall of fame Pokemon, I calculate a minimum of 428063 experience investment depending on catch levels. Probably slightly more; catching some at the highest level possible will leave few options to train them for their designated obstacles. If you drop both slow scaling Pokemon, that's 100,000 XP for the remaining team members average. That would take infernape from level 40 to level 57! Just exchanging a Slow growth Pokemon to a Medium Slow or Medium Fast is a jump from level 44 to level 47-48 if not redistributed across the team. As you get closer to level parity, you can be a lot more flexible with team building choices. Jolly Floatzel can start outspeeding Cynthia's Garchomp and threaten 2HKO with Intimidate support around level 50-52. Weavile can outspeed and OHKO at those levels. Given the same intimidate support Weavile can threaten the 2HKO around level 45 with Intimidate support! This also leaves utility slots on the team open. HM slaves, Pickup Aipom/Pachirisu, Kricketune catcher (Sing+False Swipe), and Mr. Mine item Trickster all can tag along as desired and give great value. Yanma, Mr. Mime, and Shuppet are particularly noteworthy as tricking a Lucky Egg off of a Chansey can help further with experience. Infernape, Blissey, Jolteon, and Staraptor are solid choices. But you can get away with less strategy without the XP hogs of Gyarados and Hippowdon. Consider Infernape, Staraptor, Luxray/Jolteon, and Floatzel/Weavile. This line of thought also makes Kazza the Kadabra a worthy consideration. It may not be the best answer for a lot of scenarios, but a 50% experience boost makes it a resource efficient answer.
That's an interesting approach! My playthrough rules require I use a full team of 6 members that battle all the obstacles in this game, with hm slaves only being used for the hms. That said, I may consider making another category based on your feedback because if what you're saying is true, teams centered around this approach would be better suited for viewers looking for teams that maximize "exploration enjoyment" as a viewer from my black and white team phrased it. Thanks for sharing!
Ah, yes a full team requirement does spread experience thin. I do recommend a compact team for unconstrained runs and would love to would love to see more compact team discussion. The horrible Johto scaling is very manageable when XP is split between 3 (maybe 4) team members. Extra levels also allow more team flexibility. I agree that Gyarados and Hippowdon both bring aspects that are well worth that extra experience when at such a level deficit against the AI. When split 6 ways, the benefits of a faster experience growth gets swallowed by the cubic XP requirements too fast. The impact of scaling is proportionate to the fraction of the team affected. The difference in levels cause by each slow Pokemon (instead of medium slow) should be about 1 level for 6 team members at the Elite 4.
Yea I don’t think I’ve seen someone do an analysis of this type where the goal is the ease of play through when battling most trainers balancing party level and numbef
@@DFuegoHI agree, i prefer to raise a full team it connects me more to them as they contribute individually or support each other. And have more options, rather than just stomping every Pokémon by over-levelling 3 or 4.
Yea the Pokemon for this team, like I’d assume you start with chimchar and grab a starly on the first route. But what about the other 4, when is it you add them to your team
@@ReventonSpeed Infernape: Pick Chimchar as your starter Staraptor: You can catch Starly as soon as you’re given pokeballs Jolteon: Go to the house right next to the pokemon center in Hearthome City, and get a thunderstone following this guide ua-cam.com/video/wTU-U_llDsY/v-deo.htmlsi=ZN03NWvWubSFzGgM Hippowdon: go the cave at the left in Route 214 Blissey: Route 209 Gyarados: Get the old rod from the fishing guy at the left gate of Jubilife City, then proceed to exit the gate and fish for a magikarp in the water there.
@@DFuegoH Absolutely cracked breh, thank you! Shame Hippo doesn’t get a ground move for so long but it’s yawn/protect have been more than enough to earn its place on the team.
@@DFuegoH it's not that i don't want to, i cannot use it because you get an eevee after defeating the elite four, and to transfer one you have to wait till that moment too, so i was looking for good alternatives. (IF THERE IS A WAY TO GET IT SOONER PLS TELL ME!!! I'M ON EMULATOR)
I use gardivour instead. Can still learn thunderbolt and has other great moves like shadow ball and psychic. In my runs electric types get one shotted all the time by earthquake or magnitude.
@@562.anthony2yes. This is what I do for every playthrough. Just give a solid special attacker thunderbolt because electric is one of the worst defensive types due to earthquake.
True, except that breaks my playthrough rules. Accessibility is just as much a factor in determining members as their raw strength. The best team should be able to overcome all the obstacles in the game without relying on any substitutes. With Jolteon, this team can do just that. Magnezone is part of many of my best teams, but this isn't one of them because it is not available until after Wake.
This team is good but replace blissey with weavile u get a even better team. Weavile destroys alakazam espeon mr mime and also handles roserade and garchomp from cynthias team and manhandles gliscor and other flying types like honchkrow crobat from cyrus team
All the pokemon you mentioned outspeed Weavile when he is underleveled. When I used him in a test playthrough, he was destroyed by Espeon's signal beam, Alakazam's focus blast, and Garchomp's flamethrower. Gliscor's fire fang dealt a lot of damage, and Roserade was strong enough to defeat Weavile in two shots. Jolteon can take care of the flying types in Cyrus's team.
@@DFuegoH a bunch of fans set up servers that allow people to unlock events stuff without an action replay or something like that which means all ROTOM forms are perfectly obtainable without a cheating device
A team I recommend is: Torterra (Bulky Attacker) Floatzel (Speed/HM user) Togekiss (Bulky Toolbox/Fly) Gallade (Toolbox/Wall Breaker) Jolteon (Fast Special Attacker) Magmortar (Special Sweeper/Flame body)
Interesting team for sure, Luxray is in my top favourites and even though it is the weakest link usually due to how it was done dirty with typing. I still love it to death
@@aquoyMeh i’d swap Altaria with togekiss if anything. Luxray is a mon really like, so much that i compare having it to a dog i once called my brother as a young child growing up. The ultimate bias, if i can get a good luxray i’ll take him over other electric types despite knowing they’re better. (Rotom is the best you mentioned.)
Infernape, Staraptor, Gyarados, Garchomp, Giratina (Gardevoir if no legendaries), Roserade. Gardivoir replaces jolteon, and garchomp replaces hippowdon. You can honestly replace Roserade with whatever tbh; I have used Blissey in its place before.
@@mlvluu9836 oh! That’s also true. However his Quagsire is STRONG against rock, and Gyarados is 4x weak against the electric type as compared to being only 2x weak against rock. That is why I didn’t think to include the piece of info you provided. Thanks for sharing though!
@@DFuegoH Ofc, Base Rotom is less useful than a Pikachu. But Rotom is better on almost any team tbh, unless you have roserade, infernape and gyarados in your team because each of these can fit each of the roles you can give him…Wait, you can pair refrigerator with frosslass and make them an demonic duo for hail reasons 😂. Nvm rotom is genuinely underrated and amazing.
@@Alastordadeer actually I disagree with you that alternate form Rotom is stronger than Jolteon for pretty much any team. I've since crafted the strongest teams for both Torterra and Empoleon, and Rotom doesn't qualify for either of those teams because Jolteon has access to a move that is key to shifting the momentum of the match in your favor that Rotom does not have. You'll see what I mean when those videos come out
MOVESETS
2:15
Fly
Return
Close Combat
Aerial Ace
3:25
Thunderbolt
Shadow Ball
Sand Attack
Shock Wave
4:31
Close Combat
Flamethrower
Shadow Claw
Mach Punch
6:31
Yawn
Earthquake
Rock Slide
Crunch
7:26
Toxic
Softboiled
Protect
Stealth Rock
8:50
Dragon Dance
Ice Fang
Waterfall
Bite
Credits to u/carefreeDesigner in Reddit for the background I used in my thumbnail.
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It’s like you took my suggestion but made it much better. You’re channel deserves a hell lot more recognition
This is well build up! I'm so glad Hippowdon made the list! Staraptor makes the list quite easily even if you go in-depth like this or you take the casual route, regional birds can really be fun and feel more like the main story / anime although I didnt pick him!
It's good to see more reason behind Gyarados other than the typical "Its better than Floatzel"
It's also great to not always see Garchomp so Hippowdonn & Quagsire get some respect.
My team is Infernape / Gyarados / Roserade / Garchomp / Togekiss / Luxray however I think I might still switch Luxray to Jolteon (on level 45 whoops) and Roserade for Weavile.
I'm curious how a casual optimised team would look like.. probably something like Barry's picks!
Without his starters he would go Staraptor / Floatzel / Roserade / Rapidash & I guess Heracross for type fill & with 5 offense the bulky normal type snorlax just fits in?
Imagine if Garchomp was here? And rotom in place of Jolteon? Perfect team. Sand set up for Garchomp to solo every team because evasion is busted and Garchomp is basically a legendary. Gyarados should be the only intimidate user needed since it is the superior one of the two between it and Staraptor. So that can be replaced with Garchomp
my team is personalized😅 as my fav team in all pokemon thst also is quite effecient overral
Shiny Sceptile (great Sp Atk & speed ) that can learn Thunder Bolt and Ice Beam (shiny can)
Charizard ( Great Sp Atk & Fire-flying is a good combo) that can learn Rock Slide and Dragon Pulse
Swampert ( Great Atk, water type with immunity to electric & slow speed/good healt wich is perfect for avalanche) brick break that is very effective on various types and avalanche perfect for swampert
Dragonite (awesome Atk and Multiscale helps lot when going first) with Dragon Claw and Thunder Punch (perfect pokemon to lower health againts Gyarados or Garchomp)
Garchomp ( awesome Atk + best counter for Psychics/ghosts ) Dragon Claw + crunch...
and the buff hms slave...
Snorlax( also great for restoring/reviving rest of the party while snorlax can take couples of hits)
Bro is perfecting his craft
Ever consider less than a 6 Pokemon team and/or experience scaling? Looking at your hall of fame Pokemon, I calculate a minimum of 428063 experience investment depending on catch levels. Probably slightly more; catching some at the highest level possible will leave few options to train them for their designated obstacles. If you drop both slow scaling Pokemon, that's 100,000 XP for the remaining team members average. That would take infernape from level 40 to level 57! Just exchanging a Slow growth Pokemon to a Medium Slow or Medium Fast is a jump from level 44 to level 47-48 if not redistributed across the team.
As you get closer to level parity, you can be a lot more flexible with team building choices. Jolly Floatzel can start outspeeding Cynthia's Garchomp and threaten 2HKO with Intimidate support around level 50-52. Weavile can outspeed and OHKO at those levels. Given the same intimidate support Weavile can threaten the 2HKO around level 45 with Intimidate support!
This also leaves utility slots on the team open. HM slaves, Pickup Aipom/Pachirisu, Kricketune catcher (Sing+False Swipe), and Mr. Mine item Trickster all can tag along as desired and give great value. Yanma, Mr. Mime, and Shuppet are particularly noteworthy as tricking a Lucky Egg off of a Chansey can help further with experience.
Infernape, Blissey, Jolteon, and Staraptor are solid choices. But you can get away with less strategy without the XP hogs of Gyarados and Hippowdon. Consider Infernape, Staraptor, Luxray/Jolteon, and Floatzel/Weavile.
This line of thought also makes Kazza the Kadabra a worthy consideration. It may not be the best answer for a lot of scenarios, but a 50% experience boost makes it a resource efficient answer.
That's an interesting approach! My playthrough rules require I use a full team of 6 members that battle all the obstacles in this game, with hm slaves only being used for the hms. That said, I may consider making another category based on your feedback because if what you're saying is true, teams centered around this approach would be better suited for viewers looking for teams that maximize "exploration enjoyment" as a viewer from my black and white team phrased it. Thanks for sharing!
Ah, yes a full team requirement does spread experience thin. I do recommend a compact team for unconstrained runs and would love to would love to see more compact team discussion. The horrible Johto scaling is very manageable when XP is split between 3 (maybe 4) team members. Extra levels also allow more team flexibility.
I agree that Gyarados and Hippowdon both bring aspects that are well worth that extra experience when at such a level deficit against the AI. When split 6 ways, the benefits of a faster experience growth gets swallowed by the cubic XP requirements too fast. The impact of scaling is proportionate to the fraction of the team affected. The difference in levels cause by each slow Pokemon (instead of medium slow) should be about 1 level for 6 team members at the Elite 4.
Yea I don’t think I’ve seen someone do an analysis of this type where the goal is the ease of play through when battling most trainers balancing party level and numbef
@@burgealwhat are your recommended moves for each pokemon you mentioned?
@@DFuegoHI agree, i prefer to raise a full team it connects me more to them as they contribute individually or support each other. And have more options, rather than just stomping every Pokémon by over-levelling 3 or 4.
My current platinum team is
Empoleon
Leafeon
Crobat
Luxray
Mamoswine
Gallade
Idk if it’s the best team out there but it sure has been fun to use
This is my new team with infernape snorlax, gastrodon, drifbim, weavile, and gallade.
Thankfully this team is the same. I would rage so hard because I am at Cynthia already and would have to restart xD
😂
0:06 Someone tell @SleepyJuno that Staraptor is NOT a fire type, please. 😂
How many best teams do you want to make?
DFuego: Yes
Yes sir
Torterra for personal fav team of yours to beat the game (even if you abuse the bidooves)
My team:
1) Infernape
2) Gyarados (w/ Wacan Berry/Sitrus Berry/Leftovers depending on the match up)
3) Crobat
4) Garchomp
5) Bronzong
6) Porygon-Z
Brosef, I gotta ask. What order do you pick these guys up in and at what point?
Are you talking about the pokemon for this team specifically or in general?
Yea the Pokemon for this team, like I’d assume you start with chimchar and grab a starly on the first route. But what about the other 4, when is it you add them to your team
@@ReventonSpeed
Infernape: Pick Chimchar as your starter
Staraptor: You can catch Starly as soon as you’re given pokeballs
Jolteon: Go to the house right next to the pokemon center in Hearthome City, and get a thunderstone following this guide ua-cam.com/video/wTU-U_llDsY/v-deo.htmlsi=ZN03NWvWubSFzGgM
Hippowdon: go the cave at the left in Route 214
Blissey: Route 209
Gyarados: Get the old rod from the fishing guy at the left gate of Jubilife City, then proceed to exit the gate and fish for a magikarp in the water there.
@@DFuegoH Absolutely cracked breh, thank you! Shame Hippo doesn’t get a ground move for so long but it’s yawn/protect have been more than enough to earn its place on the team.
Infernape,Staraptor,Leafeon,Gastrodon,Drapion,&Froslass
0:37 Was That A JOJO REFERENCEEE ?!!???!??????!🫨
My team for Platinum is:
Torterra
Staraptor
Gallade
Jolteon
Houndoom
Milotic
Can't you just have Ape beat Roserade or does it get ohkod by sludge bomb?
It's outsped by Roserade and would be taken out in 1-2 turns
@dfuego9932 Oh just saw you had flamethrower and not flare blitz, that wouldn't come close to killing. Staraptor for same reason I'm guessing.
infernape, staraptor, luxray, garchomp, Vaporeon, alakazam
is there any good alternative for jolteon?
If you have access to the Rotom forms, Rotom's the best alternative. Otherwise, I'd go for Raichu if you really don't wanna use Jolteon.
@@DFuegoH it's not that i don't want to, i cannot use it because you get an eevee after defeating the elite four, and to transfer one you have to wait till that moment too, so i was looking for good alternatives. (IF THERE IS A WAY TO GET IT SOONER PLS TELL ME!!! I'M ON EMULATOR)
I use gardivour instead. Can still learn thunderbolt and has other great moves like shadow ball and psychic. In my runs electric types get one shotted all the time by earthquake or magnitude.
what's the best rotom form in this case? and which moveset should i pick?@@DFuegoH
@@562.anthony2yes. This is what I do for every playthrough. Just give a solid special attacker thunderbolt because electric is one of the worst defensive types due to earthquake.
I think magnezone should replace jolteon after crusher wake. It has the better typing, better stats, and just better everything else.
True, except that breaks my playthrough rules. Accessibility is just as much a factor in determining members as their raw strength. The best team should be able to overcome all the obstacles in the game without relying on any substitutes. With Jolteon, this team can do just that. Magnezone is part of many of my best teams, but this isn't one of them because it is not available until after Wake.
How do u get rotom ??????
ua-cam.com/video/iEIz10mUuD0/v-deo.htmlsi=jEDaSQ_saSTrPPlr
Who will I use to hit fantina's pokemon then sir?
A flying attack from Staravia
Thanks sir..
Extra Tip: Starly can learn Double Team at level 13 sooo no need to go to the right entrance..
True! I added the extra info about where to get the double team tm for those who don't want to use Staraptor on their team.
Ohhh so that's why..thanks
So what other Pokémon can I use to beat fantina??
@@za6erx250Gyarados. Train it up to < 24. It will sweep Fantina easily
This team is good but replace blissey with weavile u get a even better team. Weavile destroys alakazam espeon mr mime and also handles roserade and garchomp from cynthias team and manhandles gliscor and other flying types like honchkrow crobat from cyrus team
All the pokemon you mentioned outspeed Weavile when he is underleveled. When I used him in a test playthrough, he was destroyed by Espeon's signal beam, Alakazam's focus blast, and Garchomp's flamethrower. Gliscor's fire fang dealt a lot of damage, and Roserade was strong enough to defeat Weavile in two shots. Jolteon can take care of the flying types in Cyrus's team.
Aren’t event items technically still obtainable due to fans reviving the servers that allow for event items
Could you elaborate more on that please?
@@DFuegoH a bunch of fans set up servers that allow people to unlock events stuff without an action replay or something like that which means all ROTOM forms are perfectly obtainable without a cheating device
A team I recommend is:
Torterra (Bulky Attacker)
Floatzel (Speed/HM user)
Togekiss (Bulky Toolbox/Fly)
Gallade (Toolbox/Wall Breaker)
Jolteon (Fast Special Attacker)
Magmortar (Special Sweeper/Flame body)
Best team:
Garchomp
Garchomp, again
Giratina
Everstone haunter
Male Combee
Shiny Snorlax.
(This was a joke)
My team for Platinum:
Empoleon
Staraptor
Roserade
Gatchomp
Gallade
Houndoom
Empoleon
Staraptor
Luxray
Houndoom
Mamoswine
Garchomp
Interesting team for sure, Luxray is in my top favourites and even though it is the weakest link usually due to how it was done dirty with typing. I still love it to death
My In-Game Platinum Team:
1) Infernape
2) Staraptor
3) Roserade
4) Garchomp
5) Vaporeon
6) Weavile
Togekiss
Drapion
Gallade
Rotom Frost
Garchomp
Empoleon
My Plat team
Empolen
drapion
luxray
Golem
magmortar
alteria
Really good team swap Luxray with rotom or electrive I only used luxray because I had its shiny
@@aquoyMeh i’d swap Altaria with togekiss if anything. Luxray is a mon really like, so much that i compare having it to a dog i once called my brother as a young child growing up. The ultimate bias, if i can get a good luxray i’ll take him over other electric types despite knowing they’re better. (Rotom is the best you mentioned.)
Infernape
Gyarados
Gallade
Togekiss
Magnezone
Garchomp
Infernape, Staraptor, Gyarados, Garchomp, Giratina (Gardevoir if no legendaries), Roserade. Gardivoir replaces jolteon, and garchomp replaces hippowdon. You can honestly replace Roserade with whatever tbh; I have used Blissey in its place before.
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Gyarados is also weak to Rock...
You referring to both Staraptor and Gyarados? Tbh it doesn't matter since they can pivot with Hippowdon, who is STRONG against rock
@@DFuegoH I'm referring to Wake's Gyarados.
@@mlvluu9836 oh! That’s also true. However his Quagsire is STRONG against rock, and Gyarados is 4x weak against the electric type as compared to being only 2x weak against rock. That is why I didn’t think to include the piece of info you provided. Thanks for sharing though!
Rotom is better than jolteon ngl.
For this team in particular, I agree. But that's only if you have access to his alternative forms
@@DFuegoH Ofc, Base Rotom is less useful than a Pikachu. But Rotom is better on almost any team tbh, unless you have roserade, infernape and gyarados in your team because each of these can fit each of the roles you can give him…Wait, you can pair refrigerator with frosslass and make them an demonic duo for hail reasons 😂. Nvm rotom is genuinely underrated and amazing.
@@Alastordadeer actually I disagree with you that alternate form Rotom is stronger than Jolteon for pretty much any team. I've since crafted the strongest teams for both Torterra and Empoleon, and Rotom doesn't qualify for either of those teams because Jolteon has access to a move that is key to shifting the momentum of the match in your favor that Rotom does not have. You'll see what I mean when those videos come out
Infernape
Gyarados
Garchomp
Gallade
Weavile
Drapion
what do you think of the team?
@@blue42goo I think your team looks fun to use!
@@DFuegoH Thanks!
infernape, staraptor, luxray, garchomp, Vaporeon, alakazam