Hey, Mike! Thanks so much for the shout out about Vegan Strong and about my own vegan transformation. Indeed I have gained 100 pounds on a vegan diet, from a 120-pound 15-year-old vegan five-sport athlete in high school in 1995, to a 220-pound vegan weightlifter a quarter century later, today. I was 217 pounds on the scale yesterday. Our Vegan Strong boxes have been a huge hit, with a bunch of free product coupons to go along with sample and full-size products. Hope you enjoy it! All the best! -Robert
@@JoAnn_Vegan_USA Thank you. This was also my first UA-cam comment in 10 years, to the best of my knowledge. When I heard I was mentioned in the video, I had to ask my friend how to login to leave a comment. :) My 25th vegan anniversary was on December 8th. These days, I write books about building muscle on a plant-based diet, and I have been running www.veganbodybuilding.com for 18 years, and co-manage www.veganstrong.com. Now that I know how to use UA-cam and comment, I'll be a bit more engaged online. Have a great one!
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@@JoAnn_Vegan_USA This chicken, rice, and broccoli combination is very common, and it often stems from the mainstream bodybuilding culture. I was already vegan for about 4 years before I started lifting weights seriously, and then I've spent the past 20 years in the bodybuilding industry, winning multiple bodybuilding competitions myself, as a vegan. What builds muscle is a calorie surplus combined with resistance weight training, not protein drinks, animal protein, obsessing about protein in general, or any particular supplements. Consistency with a sufficient nutrition plan and training program is really the key to building muscle, and consuming animals is not a necessary component in that equation. Hundreds of thousands of vegan athletes are testament to that.
@@JoAnn_Vegan_USA Just to add to my initial response, it is highly unfortunate that particular magazines, books, celebrity athletes, and social media influencers push an animal-based diet to build muscle when it's completely unnecessary. As far as where that culture stems from, in my experience, it originated in the muscle-building communities of the 1960s and 1970s. Then, as muscle magazines gained popularity, largely during Arnold Schwarzenegger's rise to fame in bodybuilding and action movies, protein powders and other supplements became quite prevalent. Their advertising took up many pages in magazines, and aspiring, impressionable bodybuilders followed the recommendations of the sports nutrition companies who featured celebrity athletes in their advertisements. Then, the sports nutrition and supplement industry really took off in the 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s, and here we are today with an animal-based nutrition plan that has been normalized, but also contributes greatly to poor health. The standard diet of chicken (or fish), rice, and broccoli (or other green vegetables) just became popularized with bodybuilding and other communities (football, weightlifting, wrestling, etc.) and became normalized to the point that it is the default diet for those seeking muscle growth. Of course, we've seen many adverse effects of a diet high in animal protein, from heart disease, to organ failure, to diabetes, and the far more common obesity epidemic that is raging throughout the western world. In essence, we can produce the same muscle-building results with plant protein as we can with animal protein, but one will lead to a decrease in all-cause mortality, and that of course, is the plant-based diet. And remember, at the end of the day, it is a calorie surplus combined with resistance training that builds muscle, not animal protein. I applaud you for encouraging your son-in-law to adopt a plant-based diet, and I invite you to explore the various plant-based athlete role models that exist today, in all sports, and share those role models with him. Wishing you, and your son-in-law, all the very best! -Robert
@DawgTawkWellington (DTW) I always say, consistency is key. That's the only way I was able to build muscle, write and publish books, overcome injuries and setbacks, and speak on tour all these years. I just finished a 1 hour and 20 minute workout tonight, and last night's workout was 95 minutes long. Consistency, even if it is slow going, is the way to go. That reminds me, I've got to get back to writing this weekend too. Consistency in everything, not just nutrition and training. Write two pages every day, and soon you've written a book.
Why is it that countries with higher meat consumption such as Australia, Canada and France have the lowest CVD death rates, but countries with very low meat consumption and low cholesterol levels such as Yemen, Syria and India have the highest CVD death rates? This is not about overall life expectancy but of a specific cardiovascular disease.
Hey, my family is from Hong Kong, and I used to be vegan. When I made the switch from what my parents made, my test scores plummeted, I was extremely moody, and I looked sickly. When I went back to eating tons of pork and beef, I gained my muscle back, started excelling at work, and my overall mood is significantly better. Look at Northern Italy. Look at Switzerland. Look at Japan. Look at South Korea. People who eat a lot of meat, especially pork and beef, live a long time.
@@MistMonkey You mean spreading disinformation by selling fiction as facts? No, that's what those - self-diluted and self-proclaimed "carnivores" and those who wallow in their own cognitive dissonance to feed their bias to make themselves feel better about their horrible choices - do. BTW Mike and others who are not delusional like you, laughs at silly nonsense comments like yours - so, thank you for that! 😜🤣
All I know is that people in Switzerland eat massive amounts of meat and chees and they have amazing longevity. People in my family eat meat and many live into their 90s and over 100, so I don't doubt that meat is good for health and longevity.
You mean they live that long DESPITE having a crappy diet, and would live even longer without it. Also, as Mic already stated, the longevity is many factors not just one. Genetics, wealth, access to quality healthcare, education levels, literacy. etc.
Yep, I am a Hong Konger, and I see so many HK ppl have over weight and obese problem than 20 years ago, and 20 years ago, I still was a kid in my hometown Hong Kong, most Hong Kong still not had drinking milk or ate cheese habits, now they change crazy, and that's why they are more fatter than before. and most Hong Kong female have weight loss struggle, and try to on diet, and marry go and round. And try eat less animals may help them, let them step by step, otherwise the Hong Kongers may feel too hard to keep going vegan
Thank you for sharing your local perspective! Very interesting how things can change so fast. I hear there is a vegan scene there though. Is that true?
I’m from Hong Kong and people there eat a lot of meat (not as much as the West ofc) but I’ve always thought that HK people live long *despite* eating so much meat. I think the factors that lengthen lifespan in HK are that they still eat a lot of greens and fruits, Cantonese cuisine relies a lot on steaming and are less oily overall, people walk a lot a lot in the city, the public healthcare system (while the wait is bad) is very accessible for even poor people, and holistic healthcare is still quite an important concept there
Their currently living elders didn't actually eat that much meat when they were younger though. That's the main point here. They were eating way more vegetables & grains, when they were younger, than they were meat. Meat was normally used in small amounts, just to add extra flavor, in their day. 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♂️
@@juliecooper6628 Cause they could not afford meat, if you take a look at Japan, Korea, Medeterainian diet they all eat meat, its just dier diet is pretty balanced.
Hong Kong has roughly 40-50 million "tourists" per year.. Tourists stay in hotels & like to eat at restaurants etc.. That's why their meat consumption appears high. Hong Kong only has 7.5 million residents. Most actual Hong Kong residents don't eat that much meat & even have meat free days.
You make a fair point about tourism, especially in the context of a city state. However, the locals certainly have seen strong increases in meat and dairy intake over the last three decades/generation.
@@MrMaxKeane Even with that the people who are aged 80+ aren't the ones who were eating tons of meat. The younger generations are & they are getting sicker younger.
@@FactsBeFacts I would second that. New generations are not going to have that long a ride as the older gens. Traditionally, there are always a fair bit of veggies eaten too, traditionally. the meat eaten is also greasy ...
Not really. Omnivores live the longest life. Give me Texas Barbecue Potato Salad Baked Potato Cole Slaw Sweet Tea Pecan Pie and a six pack of Shiner Bock beer any day. People can keep their boring Carnivore and Vegan lifestyle.
The studies that found Okinawan people ate a lot of sweet potatoes and fiber was due to the fact that after world War 2, when they took that data, American soldiers took over their food supplies and therefore pork. All the Okinawans had access to was sweet potatoes, and some of them were so desperate for food they cooked in motor oil. Those old Okinawans actually recall a lifestyle full of pork. So if there really is lag, then the lag would have existed with that generation at that time too. Meaning a lifetime of pork was associated with longer lifespan.
Those soldier who confiscated the pork of these people started to have hearth disease the same time the Okinawans started to have better heart health. You didnt cite this on pourpose, right brainwashed npc?
@@V1ralB1ack this was always a cheap talk point from the low carb proponents because data point after data point showed that the French, in absolute terms, actually consumed less butter and dairy than other high fat cohorts. The fact that their increases in intake eventually showed heart disease emerge only further refuted this point. Yet the same people were still babbling on about the French Paradox as if it’s some legitimate point to consider. The same effect can also be observed for the Scandinavians with obesity and heart disease on the rise seeing as these things don’t just appear overnight.
@@ordohereticus3427 It applies to most things in society as well. When something eventually happens, the people blamed are the ones present. It's really dumb because people along with a lack of attention and common sense also lack context these days especially.
My grandmother lived to 101 and my great grandmother lived to 103. They ate meat but overall ate limited amounts of food. I would say the key to longevity is eat very little!
We think 103 or over 100 is a long life...I guess because we died so soon we think 100 is long. But reading Mans Higher Consciousness by Hilton Hotema his studies showed people living over 200. He did a lot of research traveling around the world. Eating less food does make a difference. But if your grandmothers ate low amounts vegetables or fruit instead maybe they would had lived even longer. Also it is not necessary to died from illness. I don't think people considered the amount of food in a longer life. One cannot eat large amounts of food and live long period.
@@ceolbeats7182 hahaha people watch one video of a vegan activist freaking out at McDonald’s and all of a sudden every vegan is a brainwashed cult member 🤣 just goes to show critical thinking skills
Thanks for squashing this meat industry propaganda. The health care costs in Hong Kong will go up when more people start needing treatment for heart disease and diabetes because of bad dietary habits.
Wow, I guess it is the right time for this. If some people can believe in a fat jolly dude with a beard, who can apparently deliver toys to billions of kids during one night of the year, I guess it make sense that they believe that meat makes you live longer 🎅🏼😂💪🏽🌱
The fact meat is loaded with essential nutrients (many that can not be obtained from plants), is probably enough of a scientific claim that meat possible does make you live longer
@@thedoc5848 sulforaphane is also needed for longevity though, not just taurine. Check monaco where the people eat both a lot of plants, fruit and meat.
@@gergo.r, They are also not 100% meat only, they don't eat 'only' fish and nothing else, they still have some plant based foods in their diets. Whist Inuit's may not die of or get scurvy (no evidence, just your opinion), records show they do not have a high life expectancy, late 40's at best, most died of heart disease, as a result of such a high meat diet.
@@lennonpaiva5684, Apparently he was on a carnivore diet, so all meat, mayo 'may' have been included, it's all speculation. Either way, he came out saying how sick it made him, and he could not continue doing it.
@@lennonpaiva5684, It's important to note his pre existing health status may have played a big factor in the effect his 'carnivore diet' had on him. He may 'already' have had a low vit C intake 'before' switching to carnivore, so whatsoever stores of vit C he had, may have quickly been used up..? Unfortunately we don't have any accurate data about his previous health, so again, it's all speculation.
How human beings can be so focused and concerned about their own longevity while utterly disregarding the health well being and longevity of other living species including our planet Earth is something I find impossible to understand.
All countries ranking top 30 in terms of life expectancy have a VERY high meat consumption 😊 the video didn't debunk anything. And just because someone has a different opinion or lifestyle than you, doesn't mean he/she is not a troll...
@@anthonyinzerillo2804 In your case, it does though: You are dishonestly insinuating a causal relationship between meat eating and life expectancy in the developed world, which is a specious argument. I will not employ any emojis childishly to take the edge off this comment. You are all so impotent at this trying to get one over on vegans thing, yet you persist in embarrassing yourselves. How meaningless your lives must be.
@@tamcon72 It literally does not debunk shit. He yaps about other factors than diet contributing to life expectancy (as if we didn't fucking know there are many factors) while ignoring the fact that if meat consumption was as terrible as he and others claim, Hong Kong would be nowhere close to the top spot in terms of life expectancy.
American Movies: Hong Kong is just a huge seedy crimeopolis Hong Kong: better life expectancy, best affordable and efficient universal health care system, lots of Green Space and an infrastructure designed with health in mind. *mic drop*
Asian cultures are less prone to factory farming leaving out issues of antibiotics and animals eating a more unnatural diet. That’s why plant diets tend to work better in the West
Monaco is full of pro cyclists who intermittent fast 25 hours per day then eat a bite of salmon and weigh their broccoli. Also had a friend who worked with tribal people where you can see Russia from hovels and they share a bed with 13 people and sleep in shifts....not kidding. They're only veg is collecting a part of the tundra in summer and preserve it in seal blubber. In one town the oldest person just passed in her early 70's. The poverty and fat and alcohol consumption is dreadful. High suicide rate as well.
My family is from HK. You can survey a bunch of Hong Kongers, and I don't think any will attribute longevity with meat consumption. Most upper generations will encourage vegetables.
I became vegan for more ethical reasons but, people can dismiss those easily :(. So having actual facts are so helpful when justifying a vegan diet to my family.
Veganism is an ethical decision, the diet just happens to be a big part of it. And they can't dismiss the ethical side easily without sounding like psychopaths.
I guess, I’ve always been pretty empathetic. But, my family may not want to take ethics from a young teen, who hasn’t experienced the world yet. Idk 🤷🏻♂️
@@doginabox9621 The family is the hardest to convince, by far. I cannot for the life of me convince anyone of my family members to stop consuming animal products even when they admit that it's immoral; not even make them cut down on it. So save yourself a lot of frustration and just accept that they will probably never understand and change. Living by example is all you can do, and perhaps a few well-choosen words from time to time, but don't expect any miracles, as you will always be the little kid to them, and moral decisions can only be made by them and them only.
@@YeeLeeHaw well that’s depressing. Luckily my family’s Buddhist so they turn vegetarian for good luck and stuff like once every 2-3 months. Also very lucky most vegetarian Vietnamese food doesn’t have animal products. So those are the good days.
I am a keti carnivore myself, i strongly believe meat is healthy, and that ethical reasons are the only excuse to be vegan dont see how ans why people would argue about that.
A read a long time ago that most the achievements in longevity in the 20th century were actually due to reduced infant mortality rate. Hong Kong may have less babies, and better healthcare, and that would explain it alone. When an infant dies, it dies at less than 1 years old, and that really takes down the average. Just a thought. Not sure how they take this into account.
@@MistMonkey it’s literally not a health food. Look it up. Most health foods are plants and obviously if you’re allergic don’t eat it... that’s kind of common sense.
The US health care system totally astounds me. It's a wealthy First World country yet there are people that are scared to go to the hospital because of the cost. What the ......
On the the subject of articles on studies that alegedly claim vegan/vegetarian is unhealthy. I came across one article whose title claimed vegan/vegetarian is unhealthy. However when I read into the body of the article a more complicated picture emerged. Per 1000 people vegan/vegetarians had 3 more strokes but 10 less instances of heart disease. So what is worse 3 strokes or 10 instances of heart disease?
Yes, and the increased stroke risk in vegans was associated with not getting enough B12. Correct the B12 issue (which is easy to do ) and the stroke incidence in Vegan decreases.
Fantastic take home point at 9:30 The elderly Hong Kongese living to 84+ on average have been eating mostly plant foods for most of their life, and the recent increase in meat consumption comes from young professionals looking to emulate Western dietary patterns for status. Combine this with Hong Kong's healthcare system and and richness, and this meat-health connection is disproven. Even if this were true, there is far more data that meat is bad for our health. We can't draw health conclusions based on individual associations; we need meta analysis.
No we need a controlled trial that eliminates all possible confounders using identical twins feeding one a whole food omnivore diet and one a whole food plant based diet/vegan diet. And lock them in a metabolic ward for their natural lifespan and see the outcomes. Of course this will never happen.
@@groovecouple4644 hat's exactly the issue with nutrition research. No matter how many confounders exist, there'll always be some. We shouldn't discount the importance of that people switching to a vegan diet become more health-conscious and make better choices though. Even if all the benefits of plant-based diets were simply confounders, it would still be a good thing. Btw I imagine a whole-food omnivorous diet would end up looking quite similar to a whole-food plant-based diet anyways. the only difference would be the presence of white meat and low-fat dairy as opposed to legumes, tofu, and plant-based milks.
@@isaweesaw so basically eliminating the SAD is the key. I’m assuming anyone concerned with their health would limit alcohol, avoid tobacco and other drugs , and find some form of exercise. Both keto/low carb/carnivore and plant based/vegetarian/vegan people have literally the same mindset, save the philosophy of veganism.
@@isaweesaw "The elderly Hong Kongese living to 84+ on average have been eating mostly plant foods" where is this information coming from? can you provide evidence the elderly are mostly plant based?
@@dannysonner794 It is an inference. Meat consumption has increased rapidly in the past few decades, suggesting meat consumption was much lower before. The fact that more young people are dying of diseases closely linked to meat consumption, such as CVD and bowel cancer, suggests that the rising meat intake is coming primarily from the younger generations, whilst the elderly seem to continue eating their lower meat diet which aids their longevity, as backed up by other studies on the affects of plant-based diets and longevity(such as AHS-2 and BROAD). If it was elderly people eating lots of meat, we'd see the rise in meat-related diseases coming from them and not younger generations.
I didn't realize this was a thing! I went to Hong Kong last year in the fall and was pretty happy to find some really great vegan spots. I even found a fire acai bowl place!
the stress over medical expenses in the USA is real - I recently had a pulmonary embolism and the worry about wiping out my savings (or worse) was bigger than my health concerns (I am otherwise really healthy)
As a vegan wannabe-bodybuilder in Hong Kong, I do agree that meat consumption here is quite high and it is very rare to see vegan. Veganism is not quite popular here so I always need to cook by myself to avoid inconvenience!
Hong Kong..wealth is a key factor here. Now, culturally Chinese & successful people generally practice discipline, self-care and do not overeat. Okay, that’s a generalization-but it has a basis in truth. Hong Kong is all about walking. They eat very low calories and becoming overweight is NOT accepted whatsoever. Fasting & eating on a restricted calorie diet do promote longevity. Rice is still eaten daily, and often for 1 or more meals per day in Hong Kong and across China. Hong Kong also has excellent health care access and provisions and a focus on **prevention**. The hospitals are like spas, you get massage, acupuncture, etc. Stress levels are taken seriously. There are so many factors here and meat is a carcinogen guys. Take care.
Excellent video. I find watching vegan channels like this are very helpful in clearing up the worries created by those who are either misinformed or perhaps - in some cases - lying.
Right on! Industrial seed oil is causing chronic illness and the amount of research supporting this is extensive. If people don't want to eat meat for ethical reasons that is their choice, but any diet with too much omega-6 causes health problems. Unfortunately there are plenty of vegan foods loaded with omega-6. Mic should do research on this. Western diet is high omega-6.
I know this is not a popular opinion on this channel, but bare with me for the sake of honest intellectual dialogue. If meat and cholesterol cause heart disease, why do so many people who eat a low carb, meat, and saturated fat heavy diet, have a coronary artery score of 0. We can present all the epidemiology studies or intervention studies that compare Veganism to the standard western diet we want, but nothing is going to trump what is actually going on in the arteries of the body, which we can find out about by simply looking. I think the data suggests that the cause of heart disease is not meat but industrial food products like seed oils, refined sugar, and refined flour. If you are being intellectually honest you have to contend with the fact that people go on a high saturated fat, high animal product diet and do see vast improvements in their health. They lose weight, their diabetes goes away, their arthritis improves, their inflammatory markers improve etc. The real problem is not meat but the standard western diet which is high in sugar and seed oils. Look on the back of any packaged food an you will find seed oils, canola, soybean, etc. Most people are not eating just meat and vegetables, They are eating processed foods. Respect and love to my vegan brothers and sisters.
Howdy - is the following anecdotal, or linked to a scientific study? - "...so many people who eat a low carb, meat, and saturated fat heavy diet, have a coronary artery score of 0."
Exactly. The sudden increase in meat consumption just hasn't caught up to them yet. They're combining two different sets of data sources to reach an incorrect conclusion. They're using the recent increase in meat consumption in the younger generation and associating that with the life expectancy of the older generation who did/do not eat much meat at all. Give it a few decades...
Forbes regarding Monaco: "According to the CIA World Factbook, its average life expectancy is 89.52 years - the longest in the world (though again, that’s not supported across multiple sources)."
Disrespectful. You wouldn't say Hawaii is controlled by the US government so don't say HK is controlled by China. "Governed" is a better choice of word. US people are so hostile and hypocritical. Double standards!
Longevity is a bit of a moot measure nowadays as a majority of people suffer to their deaths for years. My father would have died in his fifties but thanks to medical science lived into his late seventies but not in good health.
Thanks for clarifying that a big factor on life expectancy is the weath of the population. Rich people can afford higher quality foods, meds and healthcare. Maybe next time we should look at which cities rely the less on meds? Not sure if that could work though.
Hong Kong rapidly increased consumption of meat since 60-ties, but in comparison to less meat eating but even richer Switzerland the longevity in Hong Kong grew faster than in Switzerland. How do you explain that?
As countries wealth increases, so does their consumption of "meat". It is a sign of dominance and wealth. However, as their "meat" consumption increases so do massive numbers of diabetes, cancer, and other western diseases. Their younger generations also like processed and fast foods typical in the U.S. .peace.
Their younger generations also like processed and fast foods typical in the U.S - 🤣 and you're suggesting its the increase in meat consumption causing this?
@@KK-lg8uz You make a good point. However, processed and fast foods overwhelmingly contain meat, dairy, or eggs. China, for instance, traditionally consumed a lot of white rice, tofu, and vegetables. NO DAIRY. Now they are eating much more animal protein, and processed foods. Statistics show the increases in animal protein in countries that consume low animal protein.
@@rachelgoodkind6545 most processed foods are predominantly made of plants and synthetic ingredients though. I’m not sure where you got that from. Processed meat and dairy is terrible for people yeah, but it has no resemblance of actual animal foods
@@rachelgoodkind6545 in the US only consumption of chicken has increased since the food guidelines came out in the 1970’s. Pork has remained about the same and red meat consumption has gone down.
I live in Thailand for a tech company and can confirm that the younger professional generation here prize meat consumption. The weekly company meal almost always consists 100% of animal products dishes, chicken and sausages often feature. It’s a status thing.
Well vegans claim there places are long lived, because of there plant based diet. Mic you are a just a hypocrite, yes Hong Kong have the highest average life expectancy, and they are also in the top 3 biggest meat eaters. Does that equate to high meat consumption = long life, maybe, but not proven, just as plant based diets = long life is no proof of plant protection. How anyone can be sucked in by your fanatical religion like zealousness. is beyond belief. Eat whole foods, ditch the manufactured foods made from grains, sugar, and fat,
Good public health care for all citizens-instead of/despite eating a lot of meat-results in high average life expectancy.... Who would've thought, right?? 🙃
@@lorah3005 not really. Meat consumption doesnt translate to disease. I dont do carnivore or vegan but I believe much meat is better than too much vegan food because of high antrinutrient and low bioavailability of vegetables and starches
1) Monaco is a country and vegans always use Okinawa as an example for a plant based diet when Okinawa is also not a country.... the issue with Monaco is they're a super rich country where everyone is wealthy. 2) Hong Kong's high meat intake is definitely a key reason they live so long, but it isn't any type of meat, people in Hong Kong eat a lot of organ meats and not just red meat solely and definitely not just processed meat.
Goes against the vegan narrative and it drives vegans crazy. Spin it how you want but bottom line is you can’t outlive a bad diet. I don’t care how good health care is, you have heart issues you will die early. I switched from Vegan to Carnivore with some fruit and my inflammation is gone. My Eczema is gone. I’m off all meds. All you really have to do is ask yourself one question. Why do Vegan ads work so hard to tell you they have a product that tastes just like meat (beyond burger anyone). Do you ever hear a rancher tell you they have a ribeye that tastes like Kale? Your body craves meat for a reason. All Blue Zones have one thing in common and only 1. It’s not beans or kale. Believe it or not it’s pork. (All but the 7 day ppl). Stop lying.
Just an additional tidbit, in China and Hong Kong, it's common to eat hot food and drink hot/warm drinks. Drinking cold water or eating ice-cream for example is often seen as crazy. This is similar to how most health conscious people in the west avoid eating unhealthy foods like mcdonalds or chips but there are still people who do it.
there is the problem: "healthcare" if you go so far you have lived wrong from the start. why won't people take responsibility and the consequences of their life choices? there is no good reason to account for medical intervention to artificially prolong life.
Don't understand why you can subtract 40% due to food waste for hong kong for what people report they EAT, but you don't subtract 40% for the american consumption when in america 40% of food is wasted too, and actually much higher because some things are not considered food waste here in America are considered food waste in Hong Kong, for instance chicken heads, spinach stems, cilantro stems would all be food waste in Hong Kong, but in America it is viewed as just waste and "not edible".
Much of the meat "availability" versus consumption in Hong Kong has to do with smuggling of meat to mainland China where it brings very high prices. It's estimated the upwards of forty percent of all beef is smuggled to mainland China from Hong Kong.
given my experience in the SDA church, I doubt the life expectancy is higher now, many Adventists are rejecting what we call the health message, and eating meat and dairy again... which is rather frustrating
You did a great job ignoring that hong kong is a huge population relative to the Adventist population. If meat was bad for you it would be impossible for hong kong to have near highest meat consumption and life expectancy.
While you're researching how diets have changed in Asia you might want to look at how the pig population of Okinawa Japan was huge before WWII, dropped drastically immediately after the war, and then rose back up to a very high level after things got back to normal in the post war decades . It is absurd to claim that Okinawans live to 100 based only on low meat consumption in a single year (1949) based on a single study when pork was and still is a significant part of the diet during the majority of the time that those people actually lived
Average life expectancy is not a good metric. Premature deaths from accidents, for example, will skew that number. I like the Blue Zone approach where they focused on centenarians...what they ate over their lifetime and how many there were in a community. It's not perfect, but it's more useful than looking at life expectancy.
Hey, Mike! Thanks so much for the shout out about Vegan Strong and about my own vegan transformation. Indeed I have gained 100 pounds on a vegan diet, from a 120-pound 15-year-old vegan five-sport athlete in high school in 1995, to a 220-pound vegan weightlifter a quarter century later, today. I was 217 pounds on the scale yesterday. Our Vegan Strong boxes have been a huge hit, with a bunch of free product coupons to go along with sample and full-size products. Hope you enjoy it! All the best! -Robert
@@JoAnn_Vegan_USA Thank you. This was also my first UA-cam comment in 10 years, to the best of my knowledge. When I heard I was mentioned in the video, I had to ask my friend how to login to leave a comment. :) My 25th vegan anniversary was on December 8th. These days, I write books about building muscle on a plant-based diet, and I have been running www.veganbodybuilding.com for 18 years, and co-manage www.veganstrong.com. Now that I know how to use UA-cam and comment, I'll be a bit more engaged online. Have a great one!
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ua-cam.com/video/CevnG2NeR-k/v-deo.html . 1 Minute. Timelapse. Actual pictures ! Rotting flesh, sit inside your stomach, for 5 days 🧟♂️🦠💩🐷.... Actual video ! 🤮. Inside your guts, rotting meat. Meat has NO fibre, 0% !! Deodorant mask your symptoms, but you still smell like a corpse !! Scientific fact !! 5 minutes !! Please watch this ! It’s incredible !!! Vegans poo, next day !!! 100% fibre ✅.
That is scientifically a fact !!!
Clean, no smell ✅💩. Meat eaters poop 🍖💩😷🤮 stinks like a corpse !!! Scientific fact !!!
@@JoAnn_Vegan_USA This chicken, rice, and broccoli combination is very common, and it often stems from the mainstream bodybuilding culture. I was already vegan for about 4 years before I started lifting weights seriously, and then I've spent the past 20 years in the bodybuilding industry, winning multiple bodybuilding competitions myself, as a vegan. What builds muscle is a calorie surplus combined with resistance weight training, not protein drinks, animal protein, obsessing about protein in general, or any particular supplements. Consistency with a sufficient nutrition plan and training program is really the key to building muscle, and consuming animals is not a necessary component in that equation. Hundreds of thousands of vegan athletes are testament to that.
@@JoAnn_Vegan_USA Just to add to my initial response, it is highly unfortunate that particular magazines, books, celebrity athletes, and social media influencers push an animal-based diet to build muscle when it's completely unnecessary. As far as where that culture stems from, in my experience, it originated in the muscle-building communities of the 1960s and 1970s. Then, as muscle magazines gained popularity, largely during Arnold Schwarzenegger's rise to fame in bodybuilding and action movies, protein powders and other supplements became quite prevalent. Their advertising took up many pages in magazines, and aspiring, impressionable bodybuilders followed the recommendations of the sports nutrition companies who featured celebrity athletes in their advertisements. Then, the sports nutrition and supplement industry really took off in the 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s, and here we are today with an animal-based nutrition plan that has been normalized, but also contributes greatly to poor health. The standard diet of chicken (or fish), rice, and broccoli (or other green vegetables) just became popularized with bodybuilding and other communities (football, weightlifting, wrestling, etc.) and became normalized to the point that it is the default diet for those seeking muscle growth. Of course, we've seen many adverse effects of a diet high in animal protein, from heart disease, to organ failure, to diabetes, and the far more common obesity epidemic that is raging throughout the western world. In essence, we can produce the same muscle-building results with plant protein as we can with animal protein, but one will lead to a decrease in all-cause mortality, and that of course, is the plant-based diet. And remember, at the end of the day, it is a calorie surplus combined with resistance training that builds muscle, not animal protein. I applaud you for encouraging your son-in-law to adopt a plant-based diet, and I invite you to explore the various plant-based athlete role models that exist today, in all sports, and share those role models with him. Wishing you, and your son-in-law, all the very best! -Robert
@DawgTawkWellington (DTW) I always say, consistency is key. That's the only way I was able to build muscle, write and publish books, overcome injuries and setbacks, and speak on tour all these years. I just finished a 1 hour and 20 minute workout tonight, and last night's workout was 95 minutes long. Consistency, even if it is slow going, is the way to go. That reminds me, I've got to get back to writing this weekend too. Consistency in everything, not just nutrition and training. Write two pages every day, and soon you've written a book.
Why is it that countries with higher meat consumption such as Australia, Canada and France have the lowest CVD death rates, but countries with very low meat consumption and low cholesterol levels such as Yemen, Syria and India have the highest CVD death rates? This is not about overall life expectancy but of a specific cardiovascular disease.
Haha! Debunked? I learned from you that rich happy healthy people tend to eat a lot of meat.
Hey, my family is from Hong Kong, and I used to be vegan. When I made the switch from what my parents made, my test scores plummeted, I was extremely moody, and I looked sickly. When I went back to eating tons of pork and beef, I gained my muscle back, started excelling at work, and my overall mood is significantly better.
Look at Northern Italy. Look at Switzerland. Look at Japan. Look at South Korea. People who eat a lot of meat, especially pork and beef, live a long time.
@@williamanthony915 You are right and the author of this video should be prevented from ever accessing the Internet.
Thanks for all the important debunking you do, Mike! You're a great sport, my head would explode 😂
Sometimes my head explodes but then I just listen to some ASMR lol. Thanks so much.
@@MictheVegan what ASMR artists do you jam?
Chinese people eat RICE and veggies and fruits too. Carnivores are delusional if they don’t think that.
You mean propoganda.
@@MistMonkey You mean spreading disinformation by selling fiction as facts? No, that's what those - self-diluted and self-proclaimed "carnivores" and those who wallow in their own cognitive dissonance to feed their bias to make themselves feel better about their horrible choices - do. BTW Mike and others who are not delusional like you, laughs at silly nonsense comments like yours - so, thank you for that! 😜🤣
All I know is that people in Switzerland eat massive amounts of meat and chees and they have amazing longevity. People in my family eat meat and many live into their 90s and over 100, so I don't doubt that meat is good for health and longevity.
If they ate raw meat someone said they will live to 150
@@stefdiazdiaz7067 Quite a bit of raw meat is eaten in Switzerland.
Exactly. Its also about the quality of the meat
You mean they live that long DESPITE having a crappy diet, and would live even longer without it. Also, as Mic already stated, the longevity is many factors not just one. Genetics, wealth, access to quality healthcare, education levels, literacy. etc.
@@JakeRichardsongIf they would live longer without it then places that eat the latter would live longer there Switzerland but they don’t.z
Yep, I am a Hong Konger, and I see so many HK ppl have over weight and obese problem than 20 years ago, and 20 years ago, I still was a kid in my hometown Hong Kong, most Hong Kong still not had drinking milk or ate cheese habits, now they change crazy, and that's why they are more fatter than before. and most Hong Kong female have weight loss struggle, and try to on diet, and marry go and round. And try eat less animals may help them, let them step by step, otherwise the Hong Kongers may feel too hard to keep going vegan
Thank you for sharing your local perspective! Very interesting how things can change so fast. I hear there is a vegan scene there though. Is that true?
@@MictheVegan yes there is many vegan restaurants and companies and it is increasing 😁
@@MictheVegan Buddhist vegan restaurants in HKG are amazing. They are so popular and the food is always fresh, and of course super fast to your table.
Same situation transpiring in Thailand.
@@MictheVegan There're def some Vegan Meetup in HK, which people go to vegan restaurants together.
I’m from Hong Kong and people there eat a lot of meat (not as much as the West ofc) but I’ve always thought that HK people live long *despite* eating so much meat. I think the factors that lengthen lifespan in HK are that they still eat a lot of greens and fruits, Cantonese cuisine relies a lot on steaming and are less oily overall, people walk a lot a lot in the city, the public healthcare system (while the wait is bad) is very accessible for even poor people, and holistic healthcare is still quite an important concept there
Their currently living elders didn't actually eat that much meat when they were younger though. That's the main point here. They were eating way more vegetables & grains, when they were younger, than they were meat. Meat was normally used in small amounts, just to add extra flavor, in their day. 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♂️
Great comment
@@juliecooper6628 Cause they could not afford meat, if you take a look at Japan, Korea, Medeterainian diet they all eat meat, its just dier diet is pretty balanced.
@@juliecooper6628 can you provide any evidence to back up your theory please
Kafka... yes they do eat more than the west, in fact they are in the top 3 meat avores in the world, and the highest life expectancy. Mic is a fraud.
The only appropriate content for something called 'Beef Magazine' is who shot Biggie and Tupac.
Hong Kong has roughly 40-50 million "tourists" per year.. Tourists stay in hotels & like to eat at restaurants etc.. That's why their meat consumption appears high. Hong Kong only has 7.5 million residents. Most actual Hong Kong residents don't eat that much meat & even have meat free days.
Good point!
That makes good sense. 🙂💜🌱💜🙂
You make a fair point about tourism, especially in the context of a city state. However, the locals certainly have seen strong increases in meat and dairy intake over the last three decades/generation.
@@MrMaxKeane Even with that the people who are aged 80+ aren't the ones who were eating tons of meat. The younger generations are & they are getting sicker younger.
@@FactsBeFacts I would second that. New generations are not going to have that long a ride as the older gens. Traditionally, there are always a fair bit of veggies eaten too, traditionally. the meat eaten is also greasy ...
As a American who is Chinese I never like meat to begin with even when I was not vegan.
All countries ranking top 30 in terms of life expectancy have a VERY high meat consumption 😊
@thewinelady Actually no, that's not true for all of those countries. But why do you think it's funny people have deadly diseases? Despicable post
@thewinelady And by the way cardiovascular diseases and cancer have nothing to do with the consumption of unprocessed(!) meat
Not really. Omnivores live the longest life. Give me Texas Barbecue Potato Salad Baked Potato Cole Slaw Sweet Tea Pecan Pie and a six pack of Shiner Bock beer any day. People can keep their boring Carnivore and Vegan lifestyle.
The studies that found Okinawan people ate a lot of sweet potatoes and fiber was due to the fact that after world War 2, when they took that data, American soldiers took over their food supplies and therefore pork. All the Okinawans had access to was sweet potatoes, and some of them were so desperate for food they cooked in motor oil. Those old Okinawans actually recall a lifestyle full of pork. So if there really is lag, then the lag would have existed with that generation at that time too. Meaning a lifetime of pork was associated with longer lifespan.
Idiotic!
Okinawans do eat pork, but not everyday!
Neither you, meat fanatics, nor vegans are right!
Enough with this idiotic debate!!
so true! thanks
It doesn't change the fact that plant based diets improved longevity of Okinawans
Those soldier who confiscated the pork of these people started to have hearth disease the same time the Okinawans started to have better heart health. You didnt cite this on pourpose, right brainwashed npc?
lol nice, @micthevegan you have any comment on this buddy?
Hong Kong life expectancy would've been even higher if the environment and air quality is better
So mic the cherry picker is gonna give you his unbiased opinion 😂
My family is from Hong Kong. You must have meat with every meal or else it's not real food.
same as in the usa, meat addicted
That sounds awesome.
So, basically the French "non-paradox" as disease rates take time to catch up, which they did eventually.
Yep. People don't care if it takes over a year to catch up to them let alone a decade.
@@V1ralB1ack this was always a cheap talk point from the low carb proponents because data point after data point showed that the French, in absolute terms, actually consumed less butter and dairy than other high fat cohorts. The fact that their increases in intake eventually showed heart disease emerge only further refuted this point. Yet the same people were still babbling on about the French Paradox as if it’s some legitimate point to consider.
The same effect can also be observed for the Scandinavians with obesity and heart disease on the rise seeing as these things don’t just appear overnight.
@@ordohereticus3427 It applies to most things in society as well. When something eventually happens, the people blamed are the ones present. It's really dumb because people along with a lack of attention and common sense also lack context these days especially.
Yeah I thought the higher life expectancy had a lot more to do with older people eating more traditional diets and good healthcare.
Taurine and sulforaphane are both needed. Carnivores missing out on sulforaphane and vegans missing out on taurine.
My grandmother lived to 101 and my great grandmother lived to 103. They ate meat but overall ate limited amounts of food. I would say the key to longevity is eat very little!
We think 103 or over 100 is a long life...I guess because we died so soon we think 100 is long. But reading Mans Higher Consciousness by Hilton Hotema his studies showed people living over 200. He did a lot of research traveling around the world. Eating less food does make a difference. But if your grandmothers ate low amounts vegetables or fruit instead maybe they would had lived even longer.
Also it is not necessary to died from illness. I don't think people considered the amount of food in a longer life. One cannot eat large amounts of food and live long period.
What is this science you speak of? It has no place in the mind of someone who thinks they're a carnivore.
Carnivores acutally care mroe about the science as they dont have to be dogmatic like vegans. Veganism is more like a religion then diet.
@@MistMonkey Hail ol mighty🥦🍆🥑🍏🥕🌶🫐every morning every nite🤣😂 we r building a cathedral 🤣😂
@@ceolbeats7182 hahaha people watch one video of a vegan activist freaking out at McDonald’s and all of a sudden every vegan is a brainwashed cult member 🤣 just goes to show critical thinking skills
@@maxwell8085 I am outside Mc 💩right now🤮rolling round floor hitting ppl ova hd with a skate bd, 🤣😉🤣😂🤣 My cult leader told me2 😂🤣😂🤣ava wkd day😉
Its obvious you going to reject this truth, this is a vegan channel
Thanks for squashing this meat industry propaganda. The health care costs in Hong Kong will go up when more people start needing treatment for heart disease and diabetes because of bad dietary habits.
What a load of bullshit
Wow, I guess it is the right time for this. If some people can believe in a fat jolly dude with a beard, who can apparently deliver toys to billions of kids during one night of the year, I guess it make sense that they believe that meat makes you live longer 🎅🏼😂💪🏽🌱
The fact meat is loaded with essential nutrients (many that can not be obtained from plants), is probably enough of a scientific claim that meat possible does make you live longer
@@thedoc5848 lol meatflake
@@thedoc5848 sulforaphane is also needed for longevity though, not just taurine. Check monaco where the people eat both a lot of plants, fruit and meat.
The plural of anecdote is longevity... on social media.
Has anyone tried Vegan for 6 months then try Carnivore and see which one makes you feel best?? I did... and wow going Carnivore I felt amazing..
Yep, that's why James Blunt ended up almost getting scurvy.. cause meat is 'so' healthful..😒
@@gergo.r, They are also not 100% meat only, they don't eat 'only' fish and nothing else, they still have some plant based foods in their diets.
Whist Inuit's may not die of or get scurvy (no evidence, just your opinion), records show they do not have a high life expectancy, late 40's at best, most died of heart disease, as a result of such a high meat diet.
@@gergo.r, ua-cam.com/video/6N7Sk1ZRohU/v-deo.html
Wasn't he eating only chicken and mayo?
@@lennonpaiva5684, Apparently he was on a carnivore diet, so all meat, mayo 'may' have been included, it's all speculation.
Either way, he came out saying how sick it made him, and he could not continue doing it.
@@lennonpaiva5684, It's important to note his pre existing health status may have played a big factor in the effect his 'carnivore diet' had on him.
He may 'already' have had a low vit C intake 'before' switching to carnivore, so whatsoever stores of vit C he had, may have quickly been used up..?
Unfortunately we don't have any accurate data about his previous health, so again, it's all speculation.
How human beings can be so focused and concerned about their own longevity while utterly disregarding the health well being and longevity of other living species including our planet Earth is something I find impossible to understand.
Thanks for addressing this, because it's almost a meme, so often do I see "Hong Kong, tho' " as an argument from meater trolls.
This video is terrible
@@DerekDerekDerekDerekDerekDerek Why? Be specific.
All countries ranking top 30 in terms of life expectancy have a VERY high meat consumption 😊 the video didn't debunk anything.
And just because someone has a different opinion or lifestyle than you, doesn't mean he/she is not a troll...
@@anthonyinzerillo2804 In your case, it does though: You are dishonestly insinuating a causal relationship between meat eating and life expectancy in the developed world, which is a specious argument. I will not employ any emojis childishly to take the edge off this comment.
You are all so impotent at this trying to get one over on vegans thing, yet you persist in embarrassing yourselves. How meaningless your lives must be.
@@tamcon72 It literally does not debunk shit. He yaps about other factors than diet contributing to life expectancy (as if we didn't fucking know there are many factors) while ignoring the fact that if meat consumption was as terrible as he and others claim, Hong Kong would be nowhere close to the top spot in terms of life expectancy.
American Movies: Hong Kong is just a huge seedy crimeopolis
Hong Kong: better life expectancy, best affordable and efficient universal health care system, lots of Green Space and an infrastructure designed with health in mind. *mic drop*
Asian cultures are less prone to factory farming leaving out issues of antibiotics and animals eating a more unnatural diet. That’s why plant diets tend to work better in the West
@I invented Google true. I was thinking more Japan and Korea with much of their fresh fish
Monaco is full of pro cyclists who intermittent fast 25 hours per day then eat a bite of salmon and weigh their broccoli. Also had a friend who worked with tribal people where you can see Russia from hovels and they share a bed with 13 people and sleep in shifts....not kidding. They're only veg is collecting a part of the tundra in summer and preserve it in seal blubber. In one town the oldest person just passed in her early 70's. The poverty and fat and alcohol consumption is dreadful. High suicide rate as well.
I am from Hong Kong, people there aren't as healthy as you might think, they might be healthier than Americans but I wouldn't say they are healthy.
My family is from HK. You can survey a bunch of Hong Kongers, and I don't think any will attribute longevity with meat consumption. Most upper generations will encourage vegetables.
You'll make it into the Vegan Strong group next year
I became vegan for more ethical reasons but, people can dismiss those easily :(. So having actual facts are so helpful when justifying a vegan diet to my family.
Veganism is an ethical decision, the diet just happens to be a big part of it. And they can't dismiss the ethical side easily without sounding like psychopaths.
I guess, I’ve always been pretty empathetic. But, my family may not want to take ethics from a young teen, who hasn’t experienced the world yet. Idk 🤷🏻♂️
@@doginabox9621 The family is the hardest to convince, by far. I cannot for the life of me convince anyone of my family members to stop consuming animal products even when they admit that it's immoral; not even make them cut down on it. So save yourself a lot of frustration and just accept that they will probably never understand and change. Living by example is all you can do, and perhaps a few well-choosen words from time to time, but don't expect any miracles, as you will always be the little kid to them, and moral decisions can only be made by them and them only.
@@YeeLeeHaw well that’s depressing. Luckily my family’s Buddhist so they turn vegetarian for good luck and stuff like once every 2-3 months. Also very lucky most vegetarian Vietnamese food doesn’t have animal products. So those are the good days.
I am a keti carnivore myself, i strongly believe meat is healthy, and that ethical reasons are the only excuse to be vegan dont see how ans why people would argue about that.
A read a long time ago that most the achievements in longevity in the 20th century were actually due to reduced infant mortality rate. Hong Kong may have less babies, and better healthcare, and that would explain it alone. When an infant dies, it dies at less than 1 years old, and that really takes down the average. Just a thought. Not sure how they take this into account.
That's a good point.
Anyone who believes that the more meat you eat the longer you live is not very bright. Meat is not a health food 🤣
Yes it is.
Good meat might be the only health food we know, most of us have alergies or some intolarance against certain plants.
@@MistMonkey it’s literally not a health food. Look it up. Most health foods are plants and obviously if you’re allergic don’t eat it... that’s kind of common sense.
@@pri.sci.lla. Lots of foxes would disagree with you.
@@MistMonkey 🤦🏽♀️ you’re not a fox. Foxes are generally carnivore (occasionally omnivores) so of course meat is great for them.
Out of all my friends and relatives that are my age I am the only one who eats a plant based diet and I’m the only one who is not on meds.
The US health care system totally astounds me. It's a wealthy First World country yet there are people that are scared to go to the hospital because of the cost. What the ......
Having the government run it wouldnt lower the cost, would just create waiting
On the the subject of articles on studies that alegedly claim vegan/vegetarian is unhealthy. I came across one article whose title claimed vegan/vegetarian is unhealthy. However when I read into the body of the article a more complicated picture emerged. Per 1000 people vegan/vegetarians had 3 more strokes but 10 less instances of heart disease. So what is worse 3 strokes or 10 instances of heart disease?
Yes, and the increased stroke risk in vegans was associated with not getting enough B12. Correct the B12 issue (which is easy to do ) and the stroke incidence in Vegan decreases.
Fantastic take home point at 9:30
The elderly Hong Kongese living to 84+ on average have been eating mostly plant foods for most of their life, and the recent increase in meat consumption comes from young professionals looking to emulate Western dietary patterns for status. Combine this with Hong Kong's healthcare system and and richness, and this meat-health connection is disproven.
Even if this were true, there is far more data that meat is bad for our health. We can't draw health conclusions based on individual associations; we need meta analysis.
No we need a controlled trial that eliminates all possible confounders using identical twins feeding one a whole food omnivore diet and one a whole food plant based diet/vegan diet. And lock them in a metabolic ward for their natural lifespan and see the outcomes. Of course this will never happen.
@@groovecouple4644 hat's exactly the issue with nutrition research. No matter how many confounders exist, there'll always be some. We shouldn't discount the importance of that people switching to a vegan diet become more health-conscious and make better choices though. Even if all the benefits of plant-based diets were simply confounders, it would still be a good thing.
Btw I imagine a whole-food omnivorous diet would end up looking quite similar to a whole-food plant-based diet anyways. the only difference would be the presence of white meat and low-fat dairy as opposed to legumes, tofu, and plant-based milks.
@@isaweesaw so basically eliminating the SAD is the key. I’m assuming anyone concerned with their health would limit alcohol, avoid tobacco and other drugs , and find some form of exercise. Both keto/low carb/carnivore and plant based/vegetarian/vegan people have literally the same mindset, save the philosophy of veganism.
@@isaweesaw "The elderly Hong Kongese living to 84+ on average have been eating mostly plant foods" where is this information coming from? can you provide evidence the elderly are mostly plant based?
@@dannysonner794 It is an inference. Meat consumption has increased rapidly in the past few decades, suggesting meat consumption was much lower before. The fact that more young people are dying of diseases closely linked to meat consumption, such as CVD and bowel cancer, suggests that the rising meat intake is coming primarily from the younger generations, whilst the elderly seem to continue eating their lower meat diet which aids their longevity, as backed up by other studies on the affects of plant-based diets and longevity(such as AHS-2 and BROAD). If it was elderly people eating lots of meat, we'd see the rise in meat-related diseases coming from them and not younger generations.
They don't have many cars. Cars shorten life expectancy.
I didn't realize this was a thing! I went to Hong Kong last year in the fall and was pretty happy to find some really great vegan spots. I even found a fire acai bowl place!
the stress over medical expenses in the USA is real - I recently had a pulmonary embolism and the worry about wiping out my savings (or worse) was bigger than my health concerns (I am otherwise really healthy)
Hong Kong also cooks a lot of meat dishes by steam which forms less advanced glycation end products and HCAs than other methods like grilling
master class in data manipulation. not doing anyone any favors
I hope China don't spoil Hong Kong. I think it would be better if it stayed British
Nice, a McDonald advertisement before your video. The irony.
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As a vegan wannabe-bodybuilder in Hong Kong, I do agree that meat consumption here is quite high and it is very rare to see vegan. Veganism is not quite popular here so I always need to cook by myself to avoid inconvenience!
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Hong Kong..wealth is a key factor here. Now, culturally Chinese & successful people generally practice discipline, self-care and do not overeat. Okay, that’s a generalization-but it has a basis in truth. Hong Kong is all about walking. They eat very low calories and becoming overweight is NOT accepted whatsoever. Fasting & eating on a restricted calorie diet do promote longevity. Rice is still eaten daily, and often for 1 or more meals per day in Hong Kong and across China. Hong Kong also has excellent health care access and provisions and a focus on **prevention**. The hospitals are like spas, you get massage, acupuncture, etc. Stress levels are taken seriously. There are so many factors here and meat is a carcinogen guys. Take care.
Excellent video. I find watching vegan channels like this are very helpful in clearing up the worries created by those who are either misinformed or perhaps - in some cases - lying.
I’ve not heard of this, so this will be an insightful take.
Say no to seed oil, sugar and low on the grains for a healthy life
Right on! Industrial seed oil is causing chronic illness and the amount of research supporting this is extensive. If people don't want to eat meat for ethical reasons that is their choice, but any diet with too much omega-6 causes health problems. Unfortunately there are plenty of vegan foods loaded with omega-6. Mic should do research on this. Western diet is high omega-6.
amen
Hey Mic. Im glad the people in Hong Kong have good weather, so they dont die of exposure like the rest of the world. Cheers!
I know this is not a popular opinion on this channel, but bare with me for the sake of honest intellectual dialogue. If meat and cholesterol cause heart disease, why do so many people who eat a low carb, meat, and saturated fat heavy diet, have a coronary artery score of 0. We can present all the epidemiology studies or intervention studies that compare Veganism to the standard western diet we want, but nothing is going to trump what is actually going on in the arteries of the body, which we can find out about by simply looking. I think the data suggests that the cause of heart disease is not meat but industrial food products like seed oils, refined sugar, and refined flour. If you are being intellectually honest you have to contend with the fact that people go on a high saturated fat, high animal product diet and do see vast improvements in their health. They lose weight, their diabetes goes away, their arthritis improves, their inflammatory markers improve etc. The real problem is not meat but the standard western diet which is high in sugar and seed oils. Look on the back of any packaged food an you will find seed oils, canola, soybean, etc. Most people are not eating just meat and vegetables, They are eating processed foods. Respect and love to my vegan brothers and sisters.
Howdy - is the following anecdotal, or linked to a scientific study? - "...so many people who eat a low carb, meat, and saturated fat heavy diet, have a coronary artery score of 0."
Exactly. The sudden increase in meat consumption just hasn't caught up to them yet. They're combining two different sets of data sources to reach an incorrect conclusion. They're using the recent increase in meat consumption in the younger generation and associating that with the life expectancy of the older generation who did/do not eat much meat at all. Give it a few decades...
That's a dumb statement.
Forbes regarding Monaco: "According to the CIA World Factbook, its average life expectancy is 89.52 years - the longest in the world (though again, that’s not supported across multiple sources)."
We’re really lucky to have you. Your diligence is greatly appreciated. Also your humor. Stay safe and happy holidays.
Disrespectful. You wouldn't say Hawaii is controlled by the US government so don't say HK is controlled by China. "Governed" is a better choice of word. US people are so hostile and hypocritical. Double standards!
hK is governed by HK. but its leaders do answer to china for certain things. it is an autonomous region of China.
Longevity is a bit of a moot measure nowadays as a majority of people suffer to their deaths for years. My father would have died in his fifties but thanks to medical science lived into his late seventies but not in good health.
Thanks for clarifying that a big factor on life expectancy is the weath of the population. Rich people can afford higher quality foods, meds and healthcare.
Maybe next time we should look at which cities rely the less on meds? Not sure if that could work though.
Less smoking might have something to do with colo-rectal cancer surpassing lung cancer in Hong Kong.
Hong Kong rapidly increased consumption of meat since 60-ties, but in comparison to less meat eating but even richer Switzerland the longevity in Hong Kong grew faster than in Switzerland. How do you explain that?
As countries wealth increases, so does their consumption of "meat". It is a sign of dominance and wealth.
However, as their "meat" consumption increases so do massive numbers of diabetes, cancer, and other western diseases. Their younger generations also like processed and fast foods typical in the U.S. .peace.
There's no proof of anything you just said.
Their younger generations also like processed and fast foods typical in the U.S
- 🤣 and you're suggesting its the increase in meat consumption causing this?
@@KK-lg8uz You make a good point. However, processed and fast foods overwhelmingly contain meat, dairy, or eggs. China, for instance, traditionally consumed a lot of white rice, tofu, and vegetables. NO DAIRY. Now they are eating much more animal protein, and processed foods. Statistics show the increases in animal protein in countries that consume
low animal protein.
@@rachelgoodkind6545 most processed foods are predominantly made of plants and synthetic ingredients though. I’m not sure where you got that from. Processed meat and dairy is terrible for people yeah, but it has no resemblance of actual animal foods
@@rachelgoodkind6545 in the US only consumption of chicken has increased since the food guidelines came out in the 1970’s. Pork has remained about the same and red meat consumption has gone down.
I live in Thailand for a tech company and can confirm that the younger professional generation here prize meat consumption. The weekly company meal almost always consists 100% of animal products dishes, chicken and sausages often feature. It’s a status thing.
hong kong is quite different from Thailand. much richer.
For someone that constantly promotes a unprocessed whole plant diet that vegan strongbox does contain a lot of processed crap.
Well vegans claim there places are long lived, because of there plant based diet. Mic you are a just a hypocrite, yes Hong Kong have the highest average life expectancy, and they are also in the top 3 biggest meat eaters. Does that equate to high meat consumption = long life, maybe, but not proven, just as plant based diets = long life is no proof of plant protection. How anyone can be sucked in by your fanatical religion like zealousness. is beyond belief.
Eat whole foods, ditch the manufactured foods made from grains, sugar, and fat,
Good public health care for all citizens-instead of/despite eating a lot of meat-results in high average life expectancy.... Who would've thought, right?? 🙃
👍 #BoycottMeat and all other animal products, cruelty and exploitation in any way possible!
I will increase animal consumption
@@rl9808 And decrease your life expectancy.
@@lorah3005 Golden return!
@@educational-101 Thanks! 😊
@@lorah3005 not really. Meat consumption doesnt translate to disease. I dont do carnivore or vegan but I believe much meat is better than too much vegan food because of high antrinutrient and low bioavailability of vegetables and starches
But this is true many East Asians live linger than Americans . We Asians eat meat
1) Monaco is a country and vegans always use Okinawa as an example for a plant based diet when Okinawa is also not a country.... the issue with Monaco is they're a super rich country where everyone is wealthy.
2) Hong Kong's high meat intake is definitely a key reason they live so long, but it isn't any type of meat, people in Hong Kong eat a lot of organ meats and not just red meat solely and definitely not just processed meat.
Thank the vegan heaven for Mic the professor.. such an important voice of truth on facts.
Hong Kong is now the highest life expectancy
Goes against the vegan narrative and it drives vegans crazy. Spin it how you want but bottom line is you can’t outlive a bad diet. I don’t care how good health care is, you have heart issues you will die early. I switched from Vegan to Carnivore with some fruit and my inflammation is gone. My Eczema is gone. I’m off all meds.
All you really have to do is ask yourself one question. Why do Vegan ads work so hard to tell you they have a product that tastes just like meat (beyond burger anyone). Do you ever hear a rancher tell you they have a ribeye that tastes like Kale? Your body craves meat for a reason. All Blue Zones have one thing in common and only 1. It’s not beans or kale. Believe it or not it’s pork. (All but the 7 day ppl). Stop lying.
Just an additional tidbit, in China and Hong Kong, it's common to eat hot food and drink hot/warm drinks. Drinking cold water or eating ice-cream for example is often seen as crazy. This is similar to how most health conscious people in the west avoid eating unhealthy foods like mcdonalds or chips but there are still people who do it.
These people don’t understand in Hong Kong they also eat rice and veggies and fruits too. They also eat a lot of RICE
there is the problem: "healthcare" if you go so far you have lived wrong from the start. why won't people take responsibility and the consequences of their life choices?
there is no good reason to account for medical intervention to artificially prolong life.
Asian people live on rice based diet, 800g is way over exaggerated.
Don't understand why you can subtract 40% due to food waste for hong kong for what people report they EAT, but you don't subtract 40% for the american consumption when in america 40% of food is wasted too, and actually much higher because some things are not considered food waste here in America are considered food waste in Hong Kong, for instance chicken heads, spinach stems, cilantro stems would all be food waste in Hong Kong, but in America it is viewed as just waste and "not edible".
That box is pretty cool but I mean it's all covered in plastic :/. Idk how I feel about that.
Another example of how much vegans care about the environment.
Once again you are debunking yourself dude!
If I would be rich like the Hong Kong population I would definitely buy a rib eye everyday.
Nice lighting. Very flattering. I want to look like a werewolf too. :(
Much of the meat "availability" versus consumption in Hong Kong has to do with smuggling of meat to mainland China where it brings very high prices. It's estimated the upwards of forty percent of all beef is smuggled to mainland China from Hong Kong.
Covered Vegan Strong Team CrossFit team several years ago in Austin. Great group of people!
This guy needs to learn a little bit of geography when he compares "cities" like Hong Kong (7.3 millions) with Monaco (39.5 thousands).
Thanks for the video! I am always happy to see new content from you
I never knew eating meat could lead to longer life expectancy
You literally said the equivalent words as "dead bodies are the fountain of youth."
given my experience in the SDA church, I doubt the life expectancy is higher now, many Adventists are rejecting what we call the health message, and eating meat and dairy again... which is rather frustrating
Excellent, Excellent Excellent Video; it's somewhat of a practical primer to applied science principles.
You did a great job ignoring that hong kong is a huge population relative to the Adventist population. If meat was bad for you it would be impossible for hong kong to have near highest meat consumption and life expectancy.
While you're researching how diets have changed in Asia you might want to look at how the pig population of Okinawa Japan was huge before WWII, dropped drastically immediately after the war, and then rose back up to a very high level after things got back to normal in the post war decades .
It is absurd to claim that Okinawans live to 100 based only on low meat consumption in a single year (1949) based on a single study when pork was and still is a significant part of the diet during the majority of the time that those people actually lived
Not true, sugar consumption in Hong Kong went up only 50%.
Nice episode. I get asked about this all the time.
He goes on about how veganism is so much healthier and ethical, while promoting a bunch of junk food and crap from China.
Agree fully with Mike...plus note that meat eating warms out the planet a lot
Green Queen: shout out to vegan Hong Kong (online) mag. Pretty excellent
Average life expectancy is not a good metric. Premature deaths from accidents, for example, will skew that number. I like the Blue Zone approach where they focused on centenarians...what they ate over their lifetime and how many there were in a community. It's not perfect, but it's more useful than looking at life expectancy.
Hong Kong can thank the UK and free market capitalism for their wealth