It's Time We Talk About Build 42... An Honest Discussion On Project Zomboid's Next Major Update.
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- In this video, we'll have an honest discussion about Project Zomboid's next major update, Build 42. We talk release times, the wait so far and have a positive discussion about why it's taken as long as it has. I throw in some of my own thoughts and dispel some rumors too.
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It would be the funniest stuff ever if B42 is released an hour from now.
LOL
unfortunately that didnt happen😭
It’s been an hour. WHERE IS B42?!?!
maybe at 3 hrs?
3 hours and still nothing 😢
As much as I adore using mods, I fully intend to do a vanilla playthrough when 42 comes out so I can experience what QOL updates the devs have inserted into the base game.
Most of my sadness with the delays to 42 isn't so much communication from the dev team or the drawn out hype but rather a lot more personal. The person who introduced me to PZ unfortunately passed away this year and we had previously discussed the excitement of animals coming to the game and how we can experience it together when it comes out. I still am eager for the next big update but I am sad I will never be able to experience it with my friend.
thats unfortunate, may the person be rest in peace knowing that you gonna enjoy & having fun with the build 42 and future updates on behalf of him/her :)
Sorry to hear for your loss. I will keep your friend in mind when playing the b42.☺️
Sorry for your loss, friend. They'll be with you when you finally get to play the update for sure.
I'm in a similar boat, but I'm the one who got them into Zomboid. Sadly they're struggling with addiction and I don't know what I can do for them. Sad to think him and I won't be playing Zomboid for a looong time, if ever again.
I believe your friend will be happy seeing you playing PZ on B42. 👍 Cheers up mate! 😀🍻
Edit:
Damn, talking about PZ bring back all the memories 😭
I'm honestly ok with waiting longer for an update if it's quality and not rushed. I think people overlook the modding part of this update, the new framework they are building for the game systems will have a MASSIVE effect on the kinds of mods that can be created from them. So the content for the update might be limited but the mods that will come from it will be all the content you could ask for.
It's already a great game with easy mods, people just want free dlc.
@@anthonywolf943 Aw yeah for sure but a more advanced crafting system opens up many more possibilities for mods. The new map updates and tiles look awesome as well, so much stuff they have announced is going to just make it that much better.
@@anthonywolf943 Its not a free dlc. The game isnt even done yet hence the moniker "early access"
I've played about "only" (compared to more hardcore players) 450h in Zomboid and I'd rather wait longer for updates packed with novelty instead of logging in every couple months only to see minor changes. I think it's fine to pick other games to play while waiting for cool new stuff to be out.
@@garygelthaus expectations vs reality. I think breaking a promise is bad, but unforgivable? Try harder to be upset and get nothing then 🤷
From the info given in the dev-logs, it looks like they had rewrite a bunch of the code for the lighting, rendering, all on top of revamping the crafting framework. I mean they did admit they bit off more than they could chew with the crafting rework, could have kept more features on the backburner...
But on the flip side, the performance improvements, the foundations for the crafting + NPCs with the animal AI; this update is laying *major* groundwork for future updates! I can't wait to see what modders do with the new update :)
Mods are going to go crazy with those framework updates
Just what I was thinking.
Yes its taking a long while but I am sure the game will feel so diferent when it comes. As if a conpletely new game.
Besides rewriting a games code takes forever, not something to be envied. A lot of hard work that will be worth it in the end as a groundwork for future content.
This reminds me of Starsector, Unreal or DwarfFortress. Small teams with long Dev cycles however they bring bangers praricaly for free!
I will keep following zomboid Devs, I can wait, have a backlog of games to go trought anyways, besides can always go for some more zomboid here and there, its a very replayable game.
@@OhHeBustinyeah it doesn’t matter that they have had a decade to fix their spaghetti code and literal tens of millions of dollars they are wholesomorino Heckin small devs let them cook! 😎😎😎
They could probably finally make a good pet animal mod i think
So the reason is technical debt?
Considering the success of build 41 I did expect that the updates would be released quicker because of an expanded team.
Fair, but funds don't stretch far when you start planning out wages. They've taken on a few key people from the modding community and I'd rather that than hiring a whole office of people that don't really know the game. That's how lay-offs happen, which is RIFE at the moment in games dev.
@@MrAtomicDuck Yeah I agree, I'm ok with waiting I'm used to it the confusion is a little annoying but I love this game. Thanks for the update.
I can't find the comment but back when build 41 was released they said they didn't like what the massive wait lead to and wanted to avoid doing that again, only to then do it on the very next release.
TBF they expanded the team, but also the tasks that team would have to put their hands on.
@@FlailofFury im shure they still dont but with the quality they want in zomboid making shure they dont have to remake htings to much. compared too speedy constant can lose such quality.
As someone whose put over 900 hours in the game, loved every moment, and paid like £10 for that experience, it’s really hard to get into the mindset of someone who is legit frustrated at the devs for the speed of updates.
I get the suggestion of a community manager or something similar and can see why that would be good. But the guys behind this game have more than enough goodwill from me to be patient about this kind of thing.
For sure, I've definitely got my money's worth and that's why I'll never be upset about waiting. At the end of the day, I'd rather have a good game (Which we already have!) than a rushed, half-baked one.
@@MrAtomicDuck id pay more if it got us quicker updates 😅
@bobit2000
I completely agree!
@@Time.Rippercan’t rush perfection
1000% agree 👍🏻
Being one of the ogs, playing the game for the last decade at least, I'm just worried that they lost track of what they are doing a little bit. I remember when B41 was about to come out, they said that it wouldn't take such a long time for the builds afterwards to come out since the graphical update was difficult task that would smooth things afterwards. Almost 3 years have passed and we dont have any concrete news about B42 coming out not even in full swing but as a beta. Could be a month, could be a year. They keep talking about new ideas and stuff they are going to add that was never referenced before and i love them for that but maybe they lost a bit of focus on what they should do. Systems first, overhauls later.
This is my exact sentiment
in all honesty im not stressing about mods, im looking forward to a vanilla playthrough at first to full experience the new things! mods will come in time ive always assumed and never been worried about
Exactly what I'll be doing when B42 drops. Try to do the same every major update! Play without mods again, appreciate vanilla, get used to the changes while mods are being fixed up.
A bit annoying that they don't make a proper announcement and allow this confusion
Yeah, I do understand their stance about not making a release announcement, but with all the confusion I think it should have been cleared up. Still, I had a part to play in that and I accept responsibility.
@MrAtomicDuck you owning up to your mistake is a good practice I just see their issue and I'm like well this explains why we all thought a date and then some lost hope.
3 years with zero updates.. frustrating not annoying
They probably don't even know themselves yet, that's why they had to drop some features. I doubt they're gonna make it this year, and I think they know that but don't want to admit it and disappoint the fanbase.
just like in zomboid TV programs, lie and cover up truth about virus till its too late
My bet is that they're stuck on something of a technical performance thing (with the lighting thing or something) and everybody else working on it is just waiting for the release as well, but continuing on development on whatever part they work on. And since the release takes so long to come out, more work gets done, new ideas get pitched, and you get scope creep. Scope creep is the road to development hell.
This is very likely one of the major issues. Yep.
they work on Java bro. That's pretty much all you need to know
I think I'm in the minority, but I've never gotten bored with this build. Between the current build and all the unique mods, I've found this game already near perfect.
If anything I'm nervous about how crafting changes will make Zomboid feel more "gamey" than I like.
Don't get me wrong I'm hyped as heck for the map updates and enemy AI, I'm just already so satisfied.
That's awesome! Keep doing you. As long as you're enjoying it, that's all that matters.
Hell no id anything I myself want it to be a lot more gamey I get bored really fast and having progression with crafting and in the future with noc questgivees is gonna be a lot bette
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if it turned out to be ass also could always revert to an older update just mods probably wouldn’t work
I think a lot of the community believed that b42 was going to be released by june but we all forgot that it was planned, and plans can change for any reason. Ofc it'd still be great if indie stone would have said something to clear up the confusion.
It’s just crazy how long the gaps between the updates, I remember defending them 5 years ago and 1 update has come out
Yeah, slow dev cycle, but I'm hopeful it'll be worth it. Rather that than bad updates.
5 year for one update can happen with multiple reasons. Dwarf Fortress is an ongoing project which is in the development like 27-30 year also there is a game named UnReal World which is also an indie game which is still in development for 35 years by now.
@@MrAtomicDuck thats the way of thinking that enables them to just keep doing the same shit.. a never ending loop. They are like kids.. they want to be Cataclysm Dark Days Ahead so bad.. but the dont realize the fact that doing that is not possible. Thats why the devs of cataclysm is using tiles instead of better graphics... you cant deliver a game the scope of cataclysm in fully 3D. This is a comercial game not a free game.. thats why there is no problem with CDDA developing it eternally.
@@sziklamester1244 both projects were free games and still are free games with an option to buy them.. different beast. If you are doing it commercially you need to finish the damn thing. I think they are not capable of creating anything else besides PZ and thats why they keep developing it.
@@sziklamester1244thats a really bad comparison
As someone who's worked on projects, some features tie into other features. It's like building a 2nd floor of apartments before completing the 1st floor w/ utility demark. 2nd fl w/o power and water would just suck and not "work properly." To give big features, sometimes you need to hold off on the smaller dependent ones. Before you say some don't depend on others, so release those... sometimes they are dependent in the background in ways you'd not expect.
This isn't to excuse anything, just remember that unless you're developing this game, you do not know all the details or exactly how their process works. But I do definitely agree on one thing, consistency in constant communication with the community would probably help.
EDIT: Comment was made mid-video lol.
For sure! This is a really well worded way of explaining it. Thanks for sharing.
im super excited for b42, one of the main things im excited for is that someone said that roofs are getting reworked so you dont clip through etc, me and my friends always found that super annoying when building on roofs
They honestly gotta get good community manager and if they have one now they need to replace/retrain them
Nah, not on the CM. Nasko is a great chap and does good work. They aren't in control of what goes in the blog, nor what's posted on Twitter or Reddit.
Nothing to do with the CM in this case, rather management identifying that a public statement was needed.
@@MrAtomicDuckthe CM is the one who is supposed to tell management that they need to make a statement. so yeah it’s either be the managers above the CM not listening to the CM and players or the CM failing at their job either way it needs to be fixed asap
id agree if they were a bigger company but id rather have resources go to more important things.
@@MrAtomicDucksounds too corporate is all. Hopefully they see this and understand there is nothing wrong with a little hype. The CM needs to be able to take some wins to the players😊❤
@@MrAtomicDuck Strange the community Manager doesn't Mannage 2 platforms that are hot beds of community activity lol just bustin bricks here.
Fun fact. Lemmy replied in a comment on the Zleigh Ride post on reddit stating "No, first half of 2024 for sure. At least for the public beta." This was a reply to someone saying it'll be out in 2025. It wasn't a one off mistake in communication.
Edit: I forgot to include the second quote.
Second quote is "No, 2024, and unlikely the back end of it." In response to yet another 2025 comment.
Edit2: Another quote since I'm actually going through history now. "Me. First half of next year at least for public beta."
This was the comment I was referring to in the video I think? Unless I showed the wrong one on-screen. Just comes down to a bit of over-eagerness imo.
Honestly, I get sad when people complain about missed guesstimates. I get why, but I also know the devs are less likely to give them next time, and I personally appreciate them.
In any case, we know the build is at least somewhat close to a beta release because of this guesstimate.
@@MrAtomicDuck forgot to include the second quote. edited the initial to reflect that.
I also fully agree that it's just Lemmy being Lemmy.
@@mort-m5b The problem comes when the community and the devs focus on doing things right the slow way and not talking about dates. Only to do it anyway.
@@manitoba-op4jx you're picking the worst possible example in gaming history brotha
I'm another one of the 10's of thousands of players waiting for this update...that has gotten the whole community so excited (and has given the devs so much work lol)!
Just wanted to thank you for supporting this wonderful game...i really love it! And for giving us useful information about the game ofc. God bless!
Fewer larger updates is way better for modding, and with a number of mod devs coming onto the team, this fact is also probably a component of the new behavior from the devs.
People need to look at how rapid micro updates fractured the Minecraft modding ecosystem.
Yes, I think it would be good to look at another publisher whose games are highly moddable - Paradox Interactive. In most of their games, updates are indeed fairly regular (2-3 major ones per year). And yes, this schedule, although good for the games in the long run, is the source of many laments on the mod devs' discord servers. But I think the updates are still spaced out fairly well, which always gives them some working room.
By contrast - Project Zomboid is great for modders, with modding itself being one of the main reasons the game is so replayable
@@rekohart tbh i dont think minecraft applies much there, most people settle into one favourite major update QUICKLY, i mostly use 1.7.10 for modding, all my mates use 1.20.1
I saw you asked about the source for the quote "no build will ever take as long as Build 41 did" in another comment
I looked it up, and it's stated in the devblog "2022 and beyond", and repeated towards the end of "The Zuckerverse" :)
Disclaimer: I'm only posting this to help out Duck with his question. When I first read the statement, I took it with a grain of salt, and I don't find it upsetting whatsoever that it took long, considering the size of the update.
Thank you!
Doesn't matter if it's a formal post, or an employee posting anywhere online. The only difference is, the company should be firm with their employees about what is posted regarding upcoming projects. And if there is a slip, they should post a correction. As a consumer, it's our responsibility to never believe anything that isn't out. But this is still on the company most. And yes, you read assumptions into the posts. Reasonable assumptions, but still not good to do assumptions without mentioning things being assumption vs fact in every instance mentioned. I get you know this, my main point it the irresponsibility over accountability for all employees actions when related to your company.
I still don't care when anything comes out. I still don't want release dates for any entertainment media over 2 months out. I'm surprised it's a huge fuss. I'd like it sooner than later. But whatever.
As a PZ fan, I'm still patiently waiting.
As a gaming fan, I think the update frequency is downright ridiculous.
and as someone who's likely never developed a game in their life, you probably don't understand what it takes to do what they're doing.
@@ironxYTDon't need to be a cook to know that the cook is doing a shit job.
@@horizonbs779explain it to me what kind of crap they given us about the base game. Not update, not anything, just the base game. And explain me how R* handles it!
@@horizonbs779 that really isn't a good comparison. cooking food and developing video games have wildly different development requirements, timeframes, investment contexts, its stupid to think you can compare the two and seem like an intelligent person. but nuance is dead and dumb people get to open their mouth about anything on the internet so were stuck with you. pity.
@@ironxYT You do realize other games exist, yes? Like. other games have developed faster. We have concrete proof if we so much as open the Steam page.
How is this a smart remark???
I used to follow 7 Days to Die all through alpha and eagerly awaited its updates. 10 years! Now I'm tired of the ambiguousness of it all and their final is out or coming out and I could care less, havnt played it in 2 years, and so I found other cool ideas to explore. I considered myself a loyal fan of the game like a lot of people posting here...but I did eventually give up waiting so I can play for a few months and then wait another couple of years for the next tiny bit of an update. Sometimes it just feels like these game companies are milking more money out of alpha releases and don't want to finish it.
how are they milking money out of the game when it's a one time purchase, this makes no sense. It's not a live service, there is no dlc like what lol
@Robot_Joe milking to get money before its finished. not entirely bad but...once you've got something your providing keep it up....slow down too much like The Fun Pimps did with 7 days to Die and people just drop and the final product doesn't show...calculate alll the expenses the company incurs by expanding a dev project 10 years for something that is 4 yrs
Clearly they are an awesome team with only okay/not great management.
But we knew that already.
I will keep repeating this, the devs need to prioritize core elements of the game first, the game is already worth the money, completing it would be cool ... Lightning system? They can do that after implementing all the missing core elements like NPC.
Yeah we'll just get the people working on lighting and map design onto programming NPC's. I'm sure those skills are transferable, right?
@@MrAtomicDuck Yes, just like how the devs hired Aiterion, who was working on a PROMISING NPC mod and once he got hired they made him work on a fishing minigame, checkmate ;)
@@ABC-jg3pvcoming out with the bantz 🍀🤞
How do you know he is not already working on it ? Dont you see that implementing animals is the first step toward human npcs ?
The PZ subreddit has become completely censored for any post mentioning the wait time
Eh, business as usual. Every couple of years some groups tire of waiting and the mods on steam, reddit and discord go on locking/banning sprees.
Nothing new, YTB has already become the only place to freely talk about this game, and it's because no toxic mods here.
@@garygelthaus You betcha. If you are lucky, you get a 6 paragraph ranting comment and a warning. If not, banned without warning.
Probably a good thing, I only started this year after having it in my steam liveable for years. I had no idea how toxic a community could be about a sandbox game where you can literally play it however you want already with a great mod community.
They don’t know how good they have it over here.. trying playing blizzard games for 30 years
Lol not true, we can discuss whatever we want you just can't be inflammatory. Maybe if you can't have a discussion without being a rude cunt then yeah your shit will get yeeted
We can't get upset with you. You work hard to update us with your videos. Many of us are disappointed but yes. My big fear is some new game will come along to wipe Zomboid off the map before its finished. The updates just take so long it feels like only a mater of time before another game matches it.
I don't think there's much risk of a similar game coming along, it's a very niche topic area, especially nowadays. Yeah there's always gonna be more zombie games, but with Zomboid's view perspective and level of detail? Not likely.
Thank you for the support!
@@MrAtomicDuck Actually there's a game called Vein that's like a 3D PZ game, they're still working on it but it could meet or even beat PZ.
@@forgenorman3025 not if you're taking the modding community for PZ into account, it can't even touch PZ yet.
I do not think other similar games can beat project zomboid because this game has a lot of interesting systems and elements what makes it unique. Only thing can ruin a game is it's own developers with bad marketing or messed up content.
For example there are like 15-20 dino survival game on the market but 3 major game exists yet and there are 2 serious contender to grab playerbase but the overall genre is a niche market with fewer players.
Also trends always changing and some game slowly become less interesting while other ones becoming popular. Developers also following trends but in my knowledge the PZ is a long timer game, along with Starsector, Kenshi, and some other ones but no other games really covering these niches what these games govern.
It already happened a while ago. Game became too stale, everyone downloaded 200 mods and still dropped the game.
I enjoy the current version but i have a problem when devs promise something and tease it forever, everytime it happens I'm reminded of Yandere Simulator
Yeah for real 😂...
This is the reason I started supporting Indie devs and play pirated AAA games 😂
I think the main difference here is zomboid is fully fledged game ready, that you can put hundreds of hours in, for a really reasonable price. Also, unlike yandere simulator, we have a history of updates (no matter how long they might take), and open communication
I think everyone (reasonable) agrees that they can't be putting stuff out weekly or monthly, but three years is crazy long time.
I really don't think development schedules had anything to do with the success of Project Zomboid in December 2021, but rather they mostly were the beneficiaries of hype about the update through the tail end of the various national lockdowns, that saw a large bump in gaming in general.
I've been waiting since 2014, and I'm happy to keep waiting for as long as it takes to get it right: Each update has added something more to the game, given me a few hundred more hours of fun, and I'm perfectly happy to continue in that cycle.
Roll on retail release circa-2032.
I hope that The Indie Stone sticks to their guns and doesn't get discouraged about the interwebs losing their minds. Build good things - that's why the title is beloved.
yes and no. its been over 3 years since 41. they need to make a change in how they operate. 3 years for a major update to game still in EA is not ok imo. i want it to be properly baked but there needs to be balance. either cut the update into smaller pieces so we actually get stuff regularly.
@@emptyforrest Exactly. 3 years is alpha stage for a brand new AAA title game. All we are getting this update is a few animals, new crafting rework, and engine changes. that's it.
@@emptyforrestI mean, I'd wait however long the devs need to push out an amazing update rather than rush.
@@voxii_13This is not a AAA game. This is an indie game. They don't have the resources to deliver updates as fast as you want.
@@BoyBacon5051 Please go do your research. I did it for you in another comment on this video, I suggest you go find it. I believe it was 127.4 million dollars they have made in copies sold. they have enough to expand and hire devs, they refuse to do so.
3 YEARS is too long. indie game studios put out 3 month patch cycles OFTEN. and they are JUICY in content. No excuses.
I've got 700 hours in on a 20 dollar game, it's easily one of the greatest value purchases in my game library. I couldn't imagine complaining about a free update to game I've gotten so friggin much value out of.
I wanna come back here once it's out. So god dang excited for b42, animals is gonna be amazing
Animals are one of the things I'm most excited for too :)
As pumped as I am for this update I didn't even notice any release date miscommunication. At this stage I think of the devs as deeply engaged artists. Their process has turned out gold over and over and I have no worries with the schedules
Same. I really don't want the devs to feel rushed and instead release the update when its ready. I love Re-Logic for their slow, but meaningful updates so I have no issue with the development of Build 42.
@@LilGameb0y It's been 3 years for a small update. They aren't rushed. They need to release something. Early access and 3 years since the last patch is fucking sad.
@@voxii_13 Average cod kid mindset I suppose
@@shumpiremadness2372 What does CoD have anything to do with PZ ? I am also not a child. Average low IQ reply.
@@voxii_13 sounds like you missed the point of early access
Tbh i just want to be able to put my Dishes on plates and stews and soups in bowls
Stews and soups do go into bowls? but yea the plates are just for show right now
There's a mod for that js
@@0neLoneClone THERE IS?!
@@olapapi5486 I’ve tried to put them together and it didn’t work maybe i did it wrong idk
@jfk7086 yeah man, I forgot the mod name but yes there's a mod that makes plates usable to have a plate of food
One thing I wished they'd update us on, the fire rework they talked about ages ago. I haven't seen anything else on it, I hope that it wasn't just forgotten. And hopefully this new, grapple tech? Whatever it's called that was talked about not long ago doesn't go down a similar path. But we'll see! Anyways, side from that, great video! Thanks for this one, I was under the impression build 42 would be out in early 2025 and the unstable build with be out by now, glad that got cleared up
The fire rework got pushed back indefinitely, and the grapple tech showoff was purely a "look at this cool thing!" post and isn't close to being finished or ready for B42 according to the team.
I feel disappointed, when B41 came out they said it wouldn't take as long for future updates to release. Then they mention the crafting system multiple times as one of the main pillars for B42; now, aware of the fact that beta is not coming out on the first half of the year, they still need to release the crafting system incomplete so that, according to their own 2024 release statement, it won't get pushed back even further. So that means that if they were to release B42 as they had envisioned 2 years ago it would've presumably (from their own official statements I already mentioned) gone further than 2024. TLDR I feel they now have to cut crafting system content from beta because otherwise it would probably release on 2025, basically taking as long to develop B42 (Dec. 2021 stableB41 - 2025?) as B41 (Oct. 2018 stableB40 - Dec. 2021) did.
I do think they would benefit from a slightly faster release cycle, but another reason they aren't keen on a new release every two weeks is the absolute hell that would turn the mod scene into. Now, a new release comes out every couple years, and it takes a week for the more popular mods to all update, with a long tail of mods we wish would update and don't, and then they get forked or rebuilt. Imagine that process starting every two weeks...
But a fixed release schedule, say once a year or maybe even every six months, would help them avoid biting off more than they can chew, a problem they have run into over and over again. It costs them extra time when they get closer to a theoretical release date and they need to start cutting things back out for stability and consistency, the way they're doing with some of the features in 42...
For sure, the modding scene is important to PZ and pushing out updates that potentially break mods every couple of months would be a bit rough. Fixed release schedule is interesting, but would it give them enough content in each one to draw players back?
The problem with waiting 2.5 fucking years for an update is that probably a good portion of mod makers just quit the game.. b42 will see a lot mods not getting continued.
Yep, I'll take fewer, bigger releases over having frequent releases and constantly troubleshooting my installed mods every time!
No need to imagine, just try stormworks build and rescue..... Yeah the space DLC update caused quite a few issues......
It's a great game but sometimes features get borked and fixed by half messure bandaids that can last for months.
I think everyone (reasonable) agrees that they can't be putting stuff out weekly or monthly, but three years is crazy long time. That can also have an impact on "casual modders". Some people make a lot of them and will be working to fix their stuff, but why people who made one or two mods would come to fix that fun stuff they made years ago anyway?
As someone who was part of that 41 influx I am fine tooling around waiting for the game to *fundamentally change* but zomboid plays are something I rove in and out of between other activities. I think the large drops make the most sense to not leave us weakening out own community through mod support and constant server issues every change.
I would hope that continued success allows the team to continue to grow which results in either these updates being bigger or being more solid when they drop, but with the state of how the larger game development is going I would rather the team stay strong and within their means than rush to a quick death. But, I am used to following things like Dwarf Fort, Banished, Manner Lords and other groups that take literal decades, but are built on solid gameplay systems as pull.
A lot to say, I am okay taking their time, because this sure as s--- ain't vaporware.
to me a long wait is acceptable as long im still fed information of whats going on, not bi weekly then ghosting, half the time the info isnt really much
Tbh I've always generally preferred the, "big updates that take a long time" approach to Development. Since it works better with how I play Videogames in general. Rather sinking my teeth into a game for weeks to months and then moving on to another one.
I think working on the game can take as long as it needs to take, but they should never have led people to believe b42 was coming out any time soon.
It's disgusting that they're comeback to any criticism for update time is "we could charge this as dlc" is a pathetic excuse. They still have not added the features they promised and sold the game on over a decade ago. Once they add those promises to the game and the game is feature complete, go nuts with dlc.
Are you blind or something? I think you're misunderstanding their intention about the dlc stuff...
The game you bought right now is already the game you'll get when fully released. They've stated that they have enough budget to starts the project, and that is why you wouldn't have to pay that (DLC sized update) and since it's just build update doesn't mean it's a minor. The work for the quality, not quantity. That is also why they never give ETA release. Please be patient, don't be a baby.
Oh and also what you mean by go nuts with DLC, there will be no DLC. It will be part of the base game.
@@vishrrfa They basically compared each build release as "it could've been DLC but it isn't so be grateful." This is pathetic on their part when they still haven't added features that were promised over ten years ago.
The updates are generally decent in size but also have things that are straight up half finished and barely fleshed out. As for being patient, I have been more than patient. over 10 years of waiting only to see the devs feature creep continuously is mind numbing.
As for my DLC statement, Once they actually finish the game then they can even think about DLC. If they want to make a brand new map in a new region of the world, by all means they can charge for it but only when the game is fully finished.
@@Asas_TV ah alright, thanks for responding.
I know how frustrating it is waiting for something with no certainty. Let's just hope for the best shall we! 🤝
I JUST WANT SITTING IN VANILLA
I think what you've got here is a pretty fair and decent assessment of the situation, I also think you don't have any reason to apologise to use, Mr Duck, but I appreciate your candor and I completely understand why you feel like you should. You can only report on the news TIS puts out and that's what you do (in your ineffable waterfowly ways) no harm, no foul, no knickers twisted so to speak. I think the fault with the misunderstanding over potential release timing falls squarely at their doorstep, they could have said something earlier to better explain what was meant once they saw the confusion (as I'm sure they keep tabs on the community at large).
They didn't and that's ok, water under the proverbial bridge and I'm certainly not upset about it, everyone makes the occasional gaff, no big deal. I do like the detail they've been putting in the dev-blogs of late, I do think they've been trying to explain a bit more of the process as well (maybe to make up for the blunder) and it goes without saying that I'm absolutely buzzing for B42 when it gets here. I do get the feeling that developmental things might have snowballed on their end in terms of how much work it's going to be to actually do everything they're planning, I mean let's be honest it's looking like B42 is going to somewhat of a major overhaul of the game mechanics and engine.
As far as release schedules in general go I'm perfectly fine with either option, I have a feeling what we're going to see is a hybrid version. We're currently in the long delay / big release phase for B42, but given what they've been saying and hinting at recently I think once that drops we're likely to see a switch to quicker / smaller updates for a period of time so they can release all the additional features and extra bits that don't make it into the initial release. Then settle back into a longer delay as they work on the core of Build 43, whatever that may be.
I've been with PZ since 2013 so I've been through a lot of this before in some ways, I may step away from time to time, try other zombie games, but I always end up getting drawn back in. Build 42 will come out when it's ready and I'll be here to enjoy it when it does!
Cheers Mr Duck! And thanks to anyone that waded through this unnecessarily wordy post! 😁
Appreciate the support! I'm inclined to agree with a lot of what you've said here. Personally I've a preference for big content drops at a slow schedule. I don't think folks realise that the alternative won't keep them busy for very long before they get bored again.
@@MrAtomicDuck Spot on mate, good lasting content will always take Devs time to produce, it's easy to forget that sometimes more quicker update release schedules may not even be extra content at all and simply bug fixes, polishing existing features and unseen groundwork for future content.
I can't wait to just mooch around and explore things again, with the new lighting, sound, basements and wotnot there's going to so many "omg squirrel!" moments experiencing things again with a new found sense of discovery, and a liberal smattering of Emergency Pant deployment scenarios from that one zombie crying in a basement or the echo of banging it's head in a tunnel.. glorious!! 😁
Considering I started playing in build 32 I knew about the game dating back to the baldspot tutorial alpha game, I can wait!
honestly the level of care took to recount false reporting in this world is refreshing
:)
I am to state my opinion on the length of the update. Nothing bad, just the thought process behind is it a good time frame or not. (This is going to be a long one.)
I think that the update is taking too long, but only by a little bit. I understand all the work going in and I don't want them to rush it. I also know that the last update took about 3 years and so it isn't out of the question, but there are some reasons that I say its taking too long by a little bit. When the multiplayer update came out was when I got into the game, I also ended up buying about 5 copies for friends because of how much I loved it and just wanted people to try it. It also marked a large influx of players and thus more copies sold and as we know more copies so means more money and more money means more employees. The increase in employees is something that throughout the thursdoids they have pointed out as well so that should have a positive effect on turn around time. If you mix the amount of work they are doing, the problems that arise when trying to integrate the features with the coding and well the new coding itself I do understand the wait, not to mention their statements themselves about how build 41 was their longest update and that they weren't going to do it again (not those exact words). So when I was reading the thursdoids, seeing the new recruitment's, seeing the development roadmap, and the earlier statements on how they didn't want to spend as much time as build 41 I truly expected sometime in the late 2023 maybe early 2024 time frame for such a major update. So it seems just a little too long. This leads nicely into my next 2 points. Build 41 brought a lot of people in and the roadmap suggested more frequent updates. I think the long development time leads to 2 issues that are going to be difficult for the indie stone to overcome.
The first being how many players have stopped playing, don't get me wrong they seem to have stabilized around the 35-40 thousand mark and that is still really good, but that is still a loss of about 1/3 from their highest point. If they would have have smaller and more frequent releases (like once a year, not a month or a few months between) then, I believe, that would have had more people talking about the new things added, people would have come back more often to check out what changed and they could have possibly had more growth in the steady players over time. But that is a matter of opinion and not a matter of fact. But I can draw a correlation to another game, one that the Indie stone team as said they tend to draw inspiration from Minecraft. The yearly updates tend to bring people back to play yearly, even for me and I don't pay attention to the updates. It is almost like I am conditioned to want to play Minecraft once a year for a good amount of time and then just stop. That is not to say that Indie stone has the same capital or employees to do such a thing. But even just adding features as they go would be a good draw for people to check back in regularly. (But this also mean that people would see the HUGE change that is going to happen when a big update comes. So positive and negatives, take that how you will.)
The second issue is that now that roadmap looks a lot different. What looked like updates that would take 5 to 7 years is seeming to look more like 15 to 20 years and that doesn't seem viable from a developer stand point or a "longevity in player base" standpoint. There is be a lot of people who will change dramatically in the time it now looks like and I think the core playerbase that they have cultured will be fractured if that is what the future holds. A lot of player finding something new, changing interests, and just growing out of gaming may lead to a lot of the players not getting to see the end vision. I mean think of this, the image they gave means that the first npc update will not be done for another 1 1/2 to 2ish years after this update which means about 5 years since they announced it and that's just the initial npc update. That is a long time and brings a lot of worry to someone like me who has been hyped about that update for the entire length build 42 has been being worked on. To put it into perspective, I am worried that I will be in my late 40's before the roadmap is finished and that.... is not good.
Again, these is an opinions and have no ill will intended in them. I personally am not angry or frustrated as much as concerned. With that said this is their game and I know it's a passion project so far be it to me to ell them how to do it or to criticize them for how they make it. You keep doing you Indie Stone, I will be cheering for your success until I no longer can.
TLDR;
(By paragraph)
1. I expected a long development but I expected about a year less time due to the increase funding (from the success of build 41) which led to more employees. (Proud of you Indie Stone, you guys deserve the success)
2. I think releasing smaller updates more often would have led to more players and more consistent player even though they haven't done too bad in that department. But, with that said the longer larger updates are going to lead to players "seeing" the big changes all at once.
3. With the length of build 42, it makes the development roadmap look to the games detriment rather than it's benefit in the long term.
Note: This is Indie Stones game and I know the passion they have, I know they have a vision and I want them to take it at their pace. These are more observations and concerns and if Indie Stone reads this don't let any criticism change your view. Just keep the passion, keep loving what your are doing, and it will shine through your work. I wish all the success for the dedicated team that built and is still working on my favorite game.
Edited to add this: I think this video did a good job on explaining thought processes and the understanding about the development process that makes it hard to just focus on once feature and the negatives that would come with more frequent updates and there is large amount of examples that show the section of about mods to be true. I just wanted to give the props for the video itself.
Yeah it honestly seems like everyone is just tired of waiting and heard what they wanted to hear. 🤷 really doesn’t seem that big a deal to wait a a little bit for a massive update
Yeah, the wait for me isn't an issue at all. It's a hard truth that many people, especially younger gamers, aren't used to the time it can take indie devs to release substantial updates.
I feel like the b42 release date misunderstanding was widespread enough that the developer should have noticed and corrected expectations in a more official announcement. Even a non-comital response of "we might release it then but we might not".
That said I don't really mind their snail pace of development because they've never asked me for more money. I'm not really sure how they are even affording years of additional development - I guess they must just still get a steady trickle of new players or a spike around releases maybe.
As much as I love PZ, I will not be playing it until updates come. It has been taking too long to come out with anything new and I have hit my limit with modded runs.
If you can't empathize with the dev, for a free content update on a feature rich game already. Stop playing and do us a favor. We don't want you here anyways.
@Ghrim5vortex never said I couldn't empathise mate. But no worries, keep picking words out your own ass buddy!
The Devs can take all the time they want. This is the greatest game ever created, and I am not going anywhere.
there is difference between takin your time and making a good update timeline , path of exile did this almost a decade ago and keeps growing for 10 years zomboid devs should aim for a yearly update or so , so at least people know when they will be back , 7 days to die kinda follows this yearly update scheme and is also growing in popularity , these updates would let the studios have a better economic stability and be more daring to hire talent that will over time make the game improve faster is the resources are allocated properlly
I think it's just a bad business strategy. If you don't make any updates for 3-4 years because you're making a massive update, half the playerbase will be gone by the time that update releases.
It's the way they make their game like how I play their game (true pasifist 91 days) it's different and it's also their business. REMEMBER "the Zomboids" were your neighbours!
What happened to lemmys post that was pinned ?
I assume it was deleted. It wasn't good for TIS to have it sitting there. You can still find it in other people's videos though.
It's best to start off saying that I love Project Zomboid. I have over 1500 hours in game and still enjoy guiding my survivors through the zombie apocalypse. That being said, as much as I'm anticipating Build 42 and other future updates, I'm really keeping an eye open for a game that is a true modern spiritual successor to PZ. HumanitZ has potential and we'll see what happens there. I really just want a PZ2 with modern 3D graphics and effects with all the depth and mechanical complexity PZ has to offer. The PZ devs almost certainly could have created a ground-up sequel to PZ in the time they've spent adding this and that over the years.
This should be fun. I'm hopeful but realistic. They're a small team, and they deliver quality. Don't be surprised if it takes longer than expected.
Yep, good sentiment to have!
@rocketdock11what?
@@lamariselite729just a doomposter, just ignore them
@rocketdock11but they routinely hire the modding community onto their team LOL
Small team? According to their website, the picture that "sadly lacks our Canadian, Russian, American and Australian contingents" alone has 10 people on it. When is a dev team not considered "small"? Especially when the majority of content comes from mods?
Glad to finally see my ducks mod show up in a video. Made that mod for my now GF and we laying on the couch watching your vid and I saw them and yelled "Babe!!! My ducks!!" 😂
Haha! We run it on our multiplayer server every month :D
Here's a prediction: Devs are sick of working on this game. They are blaming the community for harassment. They will release build 42 and then sell off the rights to clean their hands. And after they will cite the community being an issue despite the community adding more to the game than the actual Dev team. All in all they are looking for a cop out and we need to make them accountable for their words n actions. Let them finish build 42 and then watch them turn on us.
the community will naturally add more when there are way more players than there are devs who slowly add tons of stuff to the game and also don't do universal bug testing to ensure any mod can work with any other mod. a very silly comparison to make.
@@ironxYT not even? Most mods are made independently. Quite literally working on one aspect of the game. Zomboid has an actual Dev team working on the game. Yet they can't provide more frequent updates? I think it's a seriously revealing comparison imo
Most likely the devs are a bunch of crybabies
RE: large vs small patches. Systemic / engine changes tend to be better at the slower cadence due to how much they change, which is exactly what Build 42 is. Smaller patches are good for additive changes... new items, buildings, recipes post 42, etc. Build 41 and Build 42 are both certainly bigger engine and systems updates that happen to include large content drops. When they spoke about how they're going to get the minimum viable for crafting out with 42 and then I bet they'll have smaller patches trickle in.
Other point - How much does the Build 41 spike in concurrent players coincide with multiplayer? I suspect at least a portion of the daily users being higher than pre-41 is due to multiplayer.
Regardless I'm still having fun with 41, and I'll be happy when 42 arrives. Cheers!
Am I the only PZ player that is NOT waiting for NPC's? I really like the fact that you really are all alone in Kentucky. There is nobody that will come to help you, because there is nobody there. I think that is one of the corner stones of the game.
I think a few npcs that are in fixed locations would be good because eventually you would be alone as the npcs die off, but it would add to the realism to have some people still alive in the containment zone at the beginning. I love that empty space and loneliness too. Having whole factions or something seems too much. Not to mention that npcs could easily stun lock you with guns and kill you. Having zombies and nature be the only antagonists (besides multiplayer) is so good and it’s a breath of fresh air compared to other zombie games.
No, quite a few people feel the same :) I've seen a few in my comments. That said, it's a big feature that will fundamentally change the game and I'm excited to see it. At the end of the day, you can just turn NPC's off :D
I’m one of the players who doesn’t understand how NPC’s would even be implemented into the game in a balanced or fair way. As far as I can figure, at any time a bandit who is outside of your field of view could just shoot you. You would have no way of avoiding this on a multi year long character aside from disabling NPC’s altogether
I don't mind an NPC or two, but it should be rare, and unpredictable; they could be hostile, crazy, stalking you, a thief, or a possible best friend and kick ass support. But there is no point in adding NPC's if they are not properly implemented with a rich and advanced AI.
I respect that but I realized quite vividly that a lot of people survived the Knox infection if we are being realistic as zombies should be weak. Yes the hordes are extremely dangerous but there is no way humans won't be wandering around just sometimes they will be hostile however it should be in the sandbox
This is why I don't care much when Rockstar have crazy hours. Sacrifice is required for greatness to happen quickly.
This is an odd comment. Do you mean you don’t care that rockstar crunches their employees? I mean, yeah, obviously you don’t care, you’re not the person missing Christmas with their family to pixel-by-pixel retexture an american flag bikini. Be real
Project Zomboid is one of these games where if all development would stop in one hour, it will always be the great game that will likely never die
Agreed, it's already an incredible game.
Well they said that about Minecraft as well, and one shitty update later people think the game's on the verge of dying.
@@Ienteredmynamecorrectly-lt3nu that’s a people issue then tough. No update pleases everyone in the end
The issue with smaller builds is that it’s hard for a developer to fundamentally change something. You have to give up on certain elements and rebuild them from the ground up. This takes time and is harder to do if you update and work simultaneously on other areas. I’m a fan of bigger updates that fundamentally change aspects on a lower level and grant much greater experiences when finished. The biggest issue with a long development period is that you lose the vision. Your vision of the perfect game might differ quite a lot from what the community expects. There are a lot of game development studios where I’m scared of what they might do if isolated from the community by themselves. To avoid this problem, The Indie Stone decided to announce frequently what they have been working on, what their vision is, and why they are doing it. From a player perspective, I wish the update were out already, but I’m fine waiting since everything I have seen so far and read about the devs and the last big update keeps me positive and excited about their next update.
I came here after whatching Predz's video on why Lemmy was foaming at the mouth...I hoped to understand why the guy was so upset. I don't get it, someone please?
Lemmy is just emotionally immatured, it's not his first time fliping over for valid criticism.
He's frustrated because the negativity surrounding TIS. Some people have been immature, so his frustration is valid. But his reaction was not. It was extremely immature and lined with occasional empty threats that he couldn't commit to even if he wanted to.
I'm in no rush for B42's release. I appreciate the devs taking their time to make a stellar work of art, and there are no timelines when it comes to producing a work of art. Personally, I have stopped playing Zomboid for the time being, but that's moreso because I've been swamped with new work and independent projects. Spending time away from the game has helped me become more excited as a consequence, because it's all going to feel very fresh by the time B42 comes out.
However, what I don't appreciate are some of the playerbase who have become hard-pressed with the devs due to the slower release cycles. Yes, I can understand how it might be a bit frustrating since the updates take significantly longer than a typical video game that many of us have become used to, but that does not give you the right to have an open season on the devs, saying all kinds of things like they're incompetent or they're holding the update over our heads. Genuinely, the update will come out when the devs decide it is good and ready. The devs aren't making anyone pay for the new update, they're not adding it as a DLC, and they're not even forcing you to play the game. There are so many fantastic mods coming out of our vibrant mod community, that you have absolutely 0 reason to complain about the length of the updates. If you're unsatisfied, you can put down the game and give it a rest until the update comes out. Again, nobody is forcing you to play the game. There's lots of other games on offer, and Zomboid isn't going anywhere. Give the devs the time they need to make the work of art that they are envisioning. Their hard work is as much for them as it is for us.
With all that said, I am greatly appreciative of the heart and soul that the devs pour into this game. It's still nothing like I've ever seen in terms of the amount of care that goes into each one of their updates, and I'm always really excited to see what they're cooking up. I hope they are taking it easy on themselves and can see that the core Zomboid community truly stands by their work ethics. Can't wait to see what they have in store for us!
I have a feeling theres some mismanagement going on, I do not want to see Zomboids potential wasted.. (I love this game so so much!)
I wouldn't claim to know. That's a very big assumption to make without knowing the facts, ya know? All I can say is I speak with quite a few folks inside the team and they all seem like good people :)
Mismanagement is happens time to time but the game development is difficult and priorities and things often changing and when you thought out a system well sometimes it does not works as you thought in the planning bench.
I would say this isn’t mismanagement, but instead the opposite. Long waits between releases means that there is less time spent preparing for releases (which is a significant amount of time) and more time working on features. Overall this means more content/features per time spent, so therefore the game will progress faster than it would if there were updates every few months. Also, the other thing that was mentioned in the video is the hype up for the next release is significant, meaning there will be a lot of new players at once. If it were a bunch of small releases, I highly doubt the game would grow as much as it would when dropping a giant update.
I bought the game in Azura.. so i was following the game since day 1... they always behaved like this. Its embedded in their ADN a Cataclysm Dark Days Ahead clone that will never be finished cos they are using CDDA as a raw model to implement systems. Let me tell you that cataclysm will never end growing and developing.. but is a free game, different expectation. Search how long it took to implement animations... how long they were saying next month... YEARS!... you cant do that. No respect for people like that. Are you developing a game or raising a kid? its like they dont want to finish the game cos they are attached to it or perhaps its the only thing they can produce... the only way their studio can exist?
@@holymegadave Okay dude, maybe you should make a fully featured bug free quality game, without using an established/existing game engine. I expect it to be fully complete in 6 months. See you then.
But to be real, it took 3 months for me and one coworker to get a single feature shipped on a game, and that was one of the FAST features to implement. Some others take 6 months, and some never end up coming out because of unforeseen issues.
Basically: stop acting like game development is magic and all you need to do is will it into existence. It’s a lot of work and time.
I'm really worried the new crafting system will break the current game loop unnecessarily currently the loop is:
player needs resources to survive > player goes on dangerous looting run to get supplies> player returns to save area/base
crafting that provides access to all needed resources to survive might make rare loot items obtainable with crafting, breaking the game loop. I wish the crafting overhaul could have released as a rolling patch, so that if it does indeed break the game loop and make the game worse, course could be corrected before thousands of hours of development are dumped into it when it's heading in a wrong direction.
We can only work with what we have in frount of us, and when what we have is imperfect, we can only do our best and stay transparent about the process. That is the mark of a pro.
Hay man, as an educator and communicator in the IT space for an old man's length of time and as a pz player of 8or 9 years, I love and appreciate ur commentary. Espeshaly these updates!
You do a fantastic job. Cheers!
Thank you!!
This game is good and still alive thanks to the mods, without mods this game would be dead long ago with such slow updates it gets.
Why couldnt the bike stand upby its self?
Because it was two tired
I hate that I laughed
@@MrAtomicDuck i had this same thought lmfao like he got me
That's pretty good. Particularly because it's true too.
I think that after this update the developers should expand and develop the lore of project zomboid lore, they can do an even more interesting lore with things which are currently in game and that people don't pay almost any attention to like why are all the crops dead? What was the military test that is sometimes mentioned in some ads on the tv as well as some toxins in the forest and some unknow event regarding fossoil. There is also the Raleigh event which I think is a very interesting thing that not many people know about.
8:12 From a software development perspective, there is also *significant* overhead to releasing. Each small release would require additional QA time, bureaucracy to submit the release to Steam (and get it approved), splitting off a release branch which can pause the development of certain features, possible post-release emergency bug fixes, etc.
Longer waits between releases mean longer cycles of uninterrupted development, with all the dev flexibility that comes with it. We'd get a bunch of tiny features but all the big ones would take longer to come out.
On one hand, I would prefer if the devs would be more open about their release dates so I could follow up and plan a little better. On the other hand, not knowing the release dates allows me to forget about this game while I play others and eventually I will get surprised when I hear B42 came out.
Catch 22.
Bruh. They're doing their best. I look forward to enjoying B42 when it's out and won't be hounding the devs about it.
For real not your fault, a tweet saying B42 will be released 2024 must mean that a stable version is released then, not an unstable one.
Probably will our expectations be higher than the quality of B42. But playing "vanilla" again after 300+mods will be exciting, hopefully the great QoL mods will be ported over to the next version.
beaver go quack! I never paid attention to the number of months between these updates, only how long it felt. Hearing the actual numbers between build 40 and build 41 and what has been between build 41 and the eventual build 42 being ~3 years actually upsets me more as way too long of an amount of time between updates
Been around since Desura. I now just tell myself they figured out a one studio one game strategy.
I can't defend them, being in the software dev/game dev world for so long I can't seem to understand the lazyness on this, with the size of their team at this point and how old the game is it is clear that this is not 100% just "games take alot of time" when you have far more exemples in the market with more complexity than PZ that are already finished and with DLC's . Defending them weird at this point
They seemed pretty amateurish and just learned as they went. Older builds had some insane design decision I can't picture experienced devs making. I'm honestly just impressed they managed to make a good game.
Well for amateur they still delivered a better product than many studios.
Wow, the comments from this video made the devs consider selling off the game. If that isn't a positive communication I dont know what is!
I joined this community in November of '23, so I know no better than to wait.
Honestly, I prefer they take their time, it's not like the game is unplayable, far from it.
Hell, I'm playing it right now and having a fantastic time 😆
All that's to say, I'm not worried.
Good stuff. As long as you're enjoying yourself that's all that really matters!
i waited for diablo for soooooo long and actually forgot all about it,and when it came out bought it anyway.why because its just such a great game and great memories playing it.i can say its the same for me with PZ.i love PZ way more tjam diablo series,because it just gives just enough chills that makes me relaxed after a long day of work.greatness deserves our respect and support.
Didn't they also say that the animal AI was a stepping stone to the NPC AI? From what I've seen the NPC's should be pretty interesting if they can pull off what they'd like to
Yes, correct!
especially for a game with a modding community that takes such a great part of it, it's better to make like one update in a year... or less.
I tend to agree. They could definitely do a better job with unified announcements across all their platforms and be a bit more professional in that regard to avoid the confusion . I can see how people could get burnt out waiting years for updates or frustrated at delays though. Personally, I don't really mind waiting. Updates are free and not paid DLC we all have to pay for every update. (unpopular opinion I'm sure) 😂
I'm at the level of being able to make pong-like games and I can tell you how long it takes for me to untie the knots of things I set up in the early stages. Redoing a whole lighting system? We get enough half-baked slop from the AAA space, for the zomboid devs: let 'em cook.
Make pong in what?
I personally think the wait between updates is beyond unacceptable. It was understandable 5 years ago, when the game and team were a lot smaller. However Indiestone made something like 80 million around the time the game blew up in popularity in 2021, and the updates have been just as scarce since. I understand the team is still small, and the game engine / code is difficult, but surely with that budget they could take on new team members.
Since they made that money the updates have been just as slow, and features planned for updates have been delayed or stripped entirely. In terms of how much content we are seeing from the devs, nothing has changed since 2019, we still have slow updates missing promised features, even though they have made tens or hundreds of millions since.
I don't mind the slow update but have already played the game for hundreds of hours, with mods etc. I don't really feel like coming back until npcs are in the game.
To be honest, at this point in time since I've already waited long enough, I'll take what I can get. Hopefully that includes the animal NPCs, Basements,more crops, and Map/Lighting updates. Other than that, some more craftings are just extras for me.
I'd rather wait to get a better product. And all that entails.
Cheers.
Good stance to take.
I think people need to be more patient. Yes they're taking their time but it's a lot of work and they're a small team. They're taking pride in their work and doing a good job!
Don't pressure the Devs! Let them cook and enjoy the game as is for now, if not play something else for a while!
I stand behind TIS. Take your time
No apologies necessary, your assumptions are roughly what I would have assumed as well.
Honestly, I'm not even sure why you're apologising, as if you somehow spread this misinformation or something. You didn't incorrectly interpret the tweet, you interpreted it exactly as it was written. It literally says "B42 out this year" and now we're learning that it probably won't be. Unstable build, sure, but that's not B42, thats the IWBUMS. I'm honestly pretty sick of all this corporate apologism going on. TIS has people whose entire job it is to communicate with the community and to keep us apprised while managing expectations. To have a core dev tell us one thing and then act like it was all a misunderstanding is bizarre tbh. And plus, with TIS saying that they would never repeat the long update cycle and then immediately repeat it... I think they need to reign in the scope creep massively. 6month, maybe yearly, update cycles. Short, small, keep the game fresh while in development.
@@novakice Welcome to what I call the opposite of triple AAA community slop; the Indie early access hell slop community. You combine the worst aspects of indie gaming communities and you'll get the PZ community. Its defending corporations but this time their defending indie studios like their untouchable because muh independent creator.
People with toxic positivity defending devs who keep feature creeping when they could have planned their updates better. When the devs show their true colors or drop the ball these same 'supporters' cry and blame triple A game practices for the Devs own stupid mistakes. Then they leave the game to die and the cycle repeats with another indie game.
@@novakice It's mainly reddit, i've seen multiple people say they WISH they could donate to the devs, holy shit, donate to charity not a fucking company.
I really don't think you're to blame to any significant degree. If a dev states a date it makes sense for people to believe it. If you just said "we still have no official word on b41 experimental" people would just flood the comments with "no, we have word from a dev that it would be Q2 2024" even if you might be technically correct.
People want to know stuff like that, and even if you add a disclaimer "this is not an official claim by the company" people would just ignore it. It's really just about dev accountability. That being said I don't think it's a big deal; it's not like the dev should be punished or anything. I feel like most people assumed that Q2 2024 was super unlikely anyway considering how the Thursdoids were talking and how they have a knack for being slow and adding feature creep and stuff.
I’m not picky, I’ll wait. I don’t want a cyberpunk on console happening again. I hope they take all the time they need to deliver a quality product.
Fair statement!
Monthly updates is too frequent but every three years is too infrequent. Yearly is the best imo.
Cheers for the rectification
You got it. Apologies for the confusion!
Time scale isnt an issue, I think the thursdoids make it seem worse. Every thrusdoid is something new, which does build hype and make it more interesting but it makes it feel like there is so much damn scope creep.
i also stopped playing cuz updates takes sooo long. It will be easily 10 more years genuinely till they get proper group NPC update. I have been waiting for NPCs since 2019. I think its better to invest time in learning new better survival games like Valheim, Enshrouded etc :D
Neither of those are even 1/10th as good let alone "better" and Valheim has painfully slow updates as well, thats before you mention the artificial grind that game has when in reality it has a few dozen hours of content total.
@@DebasedAnon i mean new games :3
@@PK-se2jh new doesn't mean better.
I just take time away from it occasionally and play beamng instead
What, gonna play Scrap Mechanic for the update schedule 😂
My dude, if only politicians took responsibility like you just did, this would be a beautiful world.
😂 We can live in hope, right?
Good luck with future vids, nice channel! I hope to make zomboid content one day!
Thanks! Good luck!