This works really well because of the overlaid graphics. Other attempts looked like crap because of all the cloudy days (as you are obviously aware). Congrats on inventing such a successful way of presenting the footage once you had it. Any good technician could acquire the footage with enough time, equipment and extraordinary determination, but it took the creativity of an artist to present it in an acceptably pleasing and innately informative way.
@@77thTrombone It proves the earth has tilt as it orbits the sun, because the sun changed position not because of it moving but because of the poles moving
@@reluctantconformistI googled the title and you'll never believe the weird website that came up when I accidentally put a space between the "E" and "L".
You forgot the capital E ! But I think even YT would ban that one. Re the content of this vid - I thought I was clever capturing the transit of Venus with a 9Mp camera (all five pixels of her in all her glory) a decade or so back without need for filters using opalescent cloud cover.
@@stephaniecarrow4898 no way, I didn't realize that and then make a joke about a potential word he could have been trying to spell even though it made no sense. Thanks for letting me know
I glued a prism onto the sill of a south facing window then every two weeks marked the position of the yellow part of the spectrum on the ceiling with a little star glued to the spot. Now every day when the spectrum is on the line of my analemma I know it is exactly noon. You have to be rather obsessive to do what i did and more so to produce such a wonderful video.
I’ve always loved these ever since I took a college astronomy 101 class and we learned about how this happens. We had to draw how the angle goes across the sky and at what angle depending on what month is was for our location as one of the a final tests on this topic.
@@severiusbrandusa1413 itd be interesting to see how the position of the other planets / stars change over the 24 hour snapshots of day-by-day timelapse
It's a good thing that you chose a camera that can see the sun's shape due to sensor overload where the black spot represents the sun, which appears dark because of sensor overload, where the sensor struggles to handle the extreme brightness of the sun, rendering it as black or distorted in some cases. The amount of precision and patience of creating this project is surely worth it ❤️
I saw a short of this and later realised it got taken down im glad it says who striked the short because i found your channel great content and im glad i found this page
The video doesn't explain this. The elongation is understandable - the Earth's axis is tilted, and the height of the Sun above the horizon changes throughout the year. Where do the "loops" come from? The Earth's orbit has a slight eccentricity, causing it to move faster for one part of the year and slower for another. That is, the duration of a solar day is different all the time - sometimes longer, sometimes shorter. We use the average solar day to measure time. The "loops" of the analemma show the difference between mean and real solar time - the so-called "equation of time".
I don't want to be nit picky, cuz I could never stand still in the same place for that long, but you can tell he gets tired in 2017 as it wobbles for a bit
@@convects Like I'm gonna browse through the comments and pick one to 'copy'?🤔⚠️😲 For what gain? It was just my first thought as I watched the video, maybe my wit and sense of humour aligns with someone else?
No, the intersection does not coincide with the equinoxes. Watch the video again and you will see that the Sun passes through the intersection point on ~April 13 and August ~30. And then look where the Sun is on March 20 and September 22.
The top is when the sun is doing it Circuit North Center, North for six months where the sun takes a smaller route as it’s corkscrew back further south where everything expand further out south is the bottom part where the sun catches up speed to cover a huge land of area in a period of 24 hours, yes ladies and gentlemen, the Earth is not a spinning globe. It is a flat infinite topographical station airplane.
Amazing. It makes sense that the solstices are at the points where the analemma has a vertical tangential line (summer and winter solstice) and that the equinoxes are at the inflection points
Fun facts: The middle of the red portions approximate the solstices and halfway between them (not at the crossing point, but left of it near the 260° tick) will approximate the equinoxes. The reason the winter (for the northern hemisphere) solstice section (on the left) has a longer distance is because the Earth is at perihelion (closest to the Sun) while the summer solstice is at aphelion (farthest from the Sun). The crossing point appears to be exactly West. I'm not sure if that means anything.
I remember watching the sun during corona when I had to sit at my desk from 3pm to 7 pm everyday for school. I had never noticed it moving so much before, and it’s really interesting to see how the line that was drawn is almost exactly the same as the doodle I did to show my mom how the sun was moving lol
The smoothness and consistency of the lens flare throughout the frames is something that you would obviously expect. but seeing it with your own eyes is still surprising.
I have been Watching the Sun for years and figured out its to the Left in Summer and Right in Winter. However, I did not realize it went Up and Down too! Nor did I know that it did a Crossover Loop!! Very very Educational Video on how the Sun Tracks on its Annual Route!!!
It depends also on latitude, dare I say. In extreme north or south places the sun could be beyond the horizon some days at a given hour, not that far from noon. I live in Costa Rica and therefore I'm very close to the equator. I see some changes in the time and position of the sun when it rises through the year but from my location wouldn't be able to do this because of the mountains, although it is possible from another place and way enough time.
The sun doesn't move. The changes in the appearance are due to the change of the earth relative to the sun, because the earth tilts on its axis. Edit: I am speaking of the Sun in relationship to the earth. What I mean is that the earth is not stationary, and the sun does not revolve around it, nor circle above it. I have had too many conversations with flat-earthers, lately. Sorry.
@@annep.1905depends on what frame of reference you use... The frame in which the Earth is stationary is certainly not inertial; but it's still a valid frame of reference that we all use every day.
@@trueriver1950 Well, there's only one true frame of reference... but I suppose either way it's interesting to have that information. Of course, it's only really useful if you live in the same approximate latitude.
@traybern There would still be some seasons, because the earth also travels closer to the sun, and the cold air from the poles would affect the weather. But your response assumes that the earth's tilt is changing, which I am not sure is true. Anyway, it matters little. This earth, probably, won't be around that long. In fact, I'm guessing that it only has a little more than 1,000 years before it is destroyed and a new, perfect earth is created.
@@KC9UDX I stand by my observation. The natural world is as we see it. If you prefer to believe some super-powerful being is behind everything, then feel free. Just don’t expect me to join in.
@@sfperalta your observation doesn't refute mine. We see the same things. But I see obvious intelligent perfection and splendor where you see random happenstance that shouldn't exist, by all attempts to understand. Feel free you believe what you like, but don't be surprised to suffer the consequences, eventually.
@@KC9UDX An intelligence that becomes malevolent if its creation refuses to believe into it does not deserve to be gratified in any way. There is zero evidence of intelligence in the way universe works. Only grand chaos and localized order because that's how entropy works.
@@KC9UDX So sick of you CON ARTISTS FEAR MONGERING ppl into "OH NO YOU'Re GOING TO BURN FOREVER". The bible has contradicted itself MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY TIMES. Here's a challenge FIND out WHO MADE THE DINOSAURS! Then ask yourself "WHAT CAME FIRST MAN OR A BOOK ABOUT A (FICTIONAL) MAN " READING AND WRITING had to EXIST PRIOR TO BOOKS AND THERE WERE NOT GOD STORIES THEN! Here's a source for you to look at while we observe the greatness WITHOUT FEAR OF FOREVER BURNING (made up boogie man) www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBAttachments/101_Contradictions_In_The_Bible.pdf
Fantastic…and surprising. I always felt that winter sun went faster down somehow as the days shortened and the steep downward trajectory of this track proves it…notice also the sun is a bit lower before the shortest calendar day (Dec 21) in that little loop.
@@tristantheoofer2 you must be joking. Every sunrise is before the next sunset which is before the next sunrise. If you go into the Arctic circle, there will be (at least) one day where the sun doesn't set at all. Is that sunset before the sunrise? Use your goddamn brain for 2 seconds. 🐵
This is a great visualization to help me understand why summer & winter feel so long but then end so suddenly, and fall and spring seem so fleeting. The sun moves (relative to us ofc) so much faster during the fall and spring months
yep where i am spring and fall seem to last abt like 2 weeks in terms of temp lmao. but then theres like another 2 weeks of inbetween each so the other 40 weeks are relatively evenly split between summer and winter
The best way to enjoy this IMO is to visualise the sun as static and the horizon moving up and down like the front of ship. Then you appreciate more that it is the Earth 'wobbling' through the seasons, whilst the Sun stays relatively in its place.
@@severiusbrandusa1413he's right though. The earth is tilted on its axis and that tilt doesn't rotate with earths orbit. That's the whole reason we have seasons. One half of the orbit has the northern hemisphere getting more sun and the other has the south getting more sun. That's why summer and winter are opposite one another across the hemispheres
@Coastal_Cruzer I was just kidding, bud. It's all theatre of the mind, ol' chap. "There is neither Republican nor Democrat! Just a menacing, black, two-headed eagle which bears the mark of Thirty-Three!" - George Washington, President Number One, in his address to his fellows during his inauguration, 1777.
It reminds me of the movie "Cast Away" when Chuck Noland (Tom Hanks) uses a small light hole in the cave to mark the passage of time. He marked the same “eight” shape on the stone.
When you think about it, that is more or less what happens here: If you think of the camera as a camera obscura, the pinhole would represent the pointy bit of the sun dial, and the "plate" would represent the area the shadow is cast to. In a modern camera the focal point of the lens(es) would represent the pointy bit, and the photoelectric sensor the area the shadow is cast to. (Sure, it wouldn't actually be the same, assuming the sun-dial is of the traditional type of flat plane with pointy bit standing straight up, since the projection would be a bit different, so you would get a slightly skewed version.)
I’m just wondering why people think that the earth is stationary. The solar analemma is caused by the earths elliptical orbit around the sun and its tilt on the axis of 23.5 degrees. And the Timelapse shows pictures of the days at the same relative time.
Our language is based on an Earth centred frame of reference. In General Relativity this is just as valid a frame of reference as any other. It's a linguistic thing. Our almanacs still show times for "sunrise" and "sunset". We know what is meant and we don't quibble about it. If you've ever asked a fidgety child to "sit still" on a moving train or in a moving car, I'm sure you really intended them to exit their the rear at -60mph? Except when you're in a physics exam, please stop being pedantic.
Another option is the earth is stationary while the sun is moving following the analemma path. If the earth is turning around the sun why would there be a cross/cut at all. Why on August 29th? Coincidence or not this is Saint John the Baptist 's day, whose head was cut off.
Awesome time lapse from the observatory. As usual, the more we know, the more questions we ask, and so here are a couple. 1) It is noticed that the time stamp is about 4:50pm to 5:50 pm PDT. Why not do this at 12 noon each day during maximum sun elevation? Is the hour difference sometimes due to daylight savings time and the late time due to show the geography? 2) The sun appears to move between 241 degrees and 282 degrees, giving a difference of 42 degrees. Shouldn't this difference be closer to 47 degrees (23.5S+23.5N)? Is this difference a parallax-type effect of taking the video from about 33 degrees North? Thanks, just being curious.
On cloudy days it is statistically more likely to observe position of sun near horizon when facing west whenever there is opening in cloud deck to the west. You could do same experiment looking east for rising sun but due to night-time cooling effect there is greater likelihood of mid to low level cloud/fog obstruction of morning sun.
Extraordinary. What's wrong with taking the clock time, when in the middle to the top it changes from 4:40 to 5:50? oh yes, maybe because the screen won't be enough (the sun won't be visible on the screen)
@@hellohi-vv6xcIn most of the Continent (North America) There is a date when the time is changed. Forward one hour in the spring time and Backwards one hour in the fall.
Great video. Inspiring. Thought provoking, see below. Keep them coming. Q. 1 Would I be right, over time, I would expect the figure 8 travel, year on year, as the earth travels through seasons over the years. As you say the earth travels in an elliptical orbit around the sun? The change would be tiny, but builds up over time, many years. A computer simulation extrapolating from the Analemma would better explain this. Q. Also would the reason for the bottom heavy figure of 8 is because of the latitude above the equator. Perhaps another time lapse experiment could be done at the equator to show an even figure of 8. and one in the southern hemisphere. Or a lot faster a computer simulation from the input first analemma and other relevant factors. On a related topic. I wonder if Stonehenge, In the UK, and others India, Egypt, Europe, Latin America had their megalithic structures so precisely aligned around the world, would have knowledge of this? As it would predict the best time for crop harvesting and cultivation, among uses.
The reason the figure 8 has a larger bottom section is a result of the earth's slightly oval orbit. Imagine an oval with a dot offset from the middle. When the earth is going around in an oval, the direction from the earth to the sun will not always be tangential to the outline of the oval. This is the reason for the figure 8. The reason for the slightly larger lobe at the bottom of the 8 is because the points where the oval is perfectly perpendicular to the path facing the sun are not symmetrical, due to the sun not being in the exact middle of the oval.
@@sodiumvapor13 and as OP ponders, the elliptical orbit and the distorted analemma does indeed do the opposite down here on the south of the equator. one goes further and can surmise that equatorial dwellers see it overhead, still distorted to one pole, with the unusual point that they have two winters per year at the two extremes of the solstice, and two summers at equinox... and... the distance travelled from equinox to solstice and back is not even... due to apogee and perigee velocities... we in the south get long mild winters that drag on, as the sun stays low, only small changes every day, with rapid and fierce summers as we get closer and faster. north getting long lazy mild summers with harsh fierce winters...
The first people to figure out agriculture must have had a reasonable amount of knowledge about the seasons, but aligning a megalithic structure like Stonehenge is probably easier than working out the best time to plant crops - you just have to get up before sunrise and move a log to point at where the sun comes up.
@@janTasita except... you have to do it EVERY DAY for lots of years... decades... at least one year to know the solstices and equinoxes, a few more years to make sure, and what about if it rains? got no clock... only idea of "time" is when that sun rises and sets. or moon. or stars... no way to tell what a "year" is until that shadow is right there again, and the weather feels the same. then theres the nuisance of the leap year messing things up every now and then... you forget that everything you take for granted has been developed over a bloody long time...
I’m surprised that the camera wasn’t moved at all in 3 years, or a bug wasn’t in the way. Spiders unfortunately love my security cameras, and I once had a squirrel move one.
@@andreytsyganov7321 I don’t see how that changes the fact that a human or animal couldn’t have moved the camera, or a bug or spider wouldn’t call the camera home and obstruct the view, for those three years.
@@jerickstudios582 What human? What if the camera was on the roof or on the balcony of the camera owner's house? Which human? What is the probability of a bug or a spider appearing in front of the camera at the exact moment of shooting? Why don't you assume that the owner of the camera periodically checked that nothing blocked the view?
@@SlavBrothers it says in the video that due to sensor overload there was no data for that point hence black... Now we are not sure what kind of sensor was used, maybe something that captures luminosity or something and the centre part readings were probably outside the limits of the sensor Think of it this way, you look at the sun for a second and look away at a wall or something, you will see a black circle due to "overloaded" luminosity on your retina
What is even more amazing is how those positions were identified by ancient peoples. Their intellectual curiosity drove them to measure it over the years, and was big investment in their time
@@danielmiller2886it is not amazing at all. Anything highly repetitive is easy to identify a pattern. The real time wasted is in diety worship and in this instance creating a master sun god.
This works really well because of the overlaid graphics. Other attempts looked like crap because of all the cloudy days (as you are obviously aware). Congrats on inventing such a successful way of presenting the footage once you had it. Any good technician could acquire the footage with enough time, equipment and extraordinary determination, but it took the creativity of an artist to present it in an acceptably pleasing and innately informative way.
@@jesus4400Explain
@@jesus4400 Nice bait
@@jesus4400What the hell no.
This only proves tectonic tides exist. Everybody knows the sun stays in the same place.
@@77thTrombone It proves the earth has tilt as it orbits the sun, because the sun changed position not because of it moving but because of the poles moving
its cool seeing that lens flare move smoothly across the screen while the cloudscape changes rapidly
Yeah, and seeing the render distance change too
I only see them move smoothly on consecutive sunny days.
@@ronalddg9369What's that?
@@ronalddg9369render distance?
Minecraft joke
3 years in 1 minute 45. That's about how fast time seems to be going for me 😬
Agreed!
Same! 🤨
As you get older, you move slower, and the clock moves faster....
@@77thTromboneHaha time dilation exaggerated 😂
Me too.
Hats off to the cameraman who didn't move for 3 years 💀💀
Really, hats off to his wife who kept him supplied with tea and sandwiches for the whole time 😅
He did however take a bathroom break after the video was shot from which he still hasn't returned three years later.
@@reluctantconformistI googled the title and you'll never believe the weird website that came up when I accidentally put a space between the "E" and "L".
I'm pretty sure it's just his camera that didn't move, he just left it there
@@onesteeltank Correct and... I 'm pretty sure it was Mr Bean's new job assignment at the Observatory.
This was oddly satisfying to watch. Especially how perfect the cycle fits inside the camera frame.
They framed it so that it would fit lol. It wasn't a coincidence.
@@faithful451 Yeah ofc but it looks great
thanks captain obvious@@faithful451
it’s not odd it’s universal 😌
Oh wow!!!! All that time captured and put into a beautiful way the sun dance in the sky over the course of a few years!! Amazing!
I can’t believe you only have 60,000 views… this should have millions! Awesome!
Maybe iff the uploader placed a - somewhere in the name…it would probably get way more attention.
You forgot the capital E !
But I think even YT would ban that one.
Re the content of this vid - I thought I was clever capturing the transit of Venus with a 9Mp camera (all five pixels of her in all her glory) a decade or so back without need for filters using opalescent cloud cover.
83713 a day later, made it to suggestions for Friday, trending by Monday.
Может ну там заполнить информацией раздел "Сообщество" для полноты подачи материала.
2 days later and he's doubled it, so maybe the channel figured out how to trigger the mysterious hand of The Algorithm
This is the shortest movie filmed for the longest time
Now I know what my solar tracking solar panel sees every year! I first thought I was wasting my time putting in the dual axis.
❤
They also track the movement of the sun over the course of a day? right?
Magnificent video. Thank you for inveting time and effort to make it.
I too am happy that he invented time :p
@@arpytrooper2604
Original: inveting.
Read: inventing.
Meant: investing.
@@stephaniecarrow4898 no way, I didn't realize that and then make a joke about a potential word he could have been trying to spell even though it made no sense. Thanks for letting me know
This is awesome, deserves way more views
Danke für das grundlegende Video und die damit verbundene Arbeit! Großartig.
heil
Wow a lot of time went into this. Sure highlights our short northern summers!
I glued a prism onto the sill of a south facing window then every two weeks marked the position of the yellow part of the spectrum on the ceiling with a little star glued to the spot. Now every day when the spectrum is on the line of my analemma I know it is exactly noon. You have to be rather obsessive to do what i did and more so to produce such a wonderful video.
You are very creative! :)
My inner 12 year old is both interested in the phenomenon and laughing at what it's called.
Emma is a magnificent artist, but she's a 1 track pony.
Maximum Respect ✊
Thanks for your WORK!!
LOVE FROM
PIRAEUS 🇬🇷 GREECE
Fantastic Robert!
Excellent work!
This is great. It's incredible seeing it like this!
nice pfp
Wow, slowed this down to .25x and there's a noticeable difference just from day to day. Cool vid 👍
I’ve always loved these ever since I took a college astronomy 101 class and we learned about how this happens. We had to draw how the angle goes across the sky and at what angle depending on what month is was for our location as one of the a final tests on this topic.
Would be amazing to see a visual record of many of our solar system and celestial neighbours this way.
What are you yammering on about over there with your nonsense?
@@severiusbrandusa1413 itd be interesting to see how the position of the other planets / stars change over the 24 hour snapshots of day-by-day timelapse
Research FE
What?
@@Blunderkit the point is... the sun would be a planet to....... but.... think about it deeply.. youll figure out. Heliocentric they say.. i doubt it.
It's a good thing that you chose a camera that can see the sun's shape due to sensor overload where the black spot represents the sun, which appears dark because of sensor overload, where the sensor struggles to handle the extreme brightness of the sun, rendering it as black or distorted in some cases. The amount of precision and patience of creating this project is surely worth it ❤️
I saw a short of this and later realised it got taken down im glad it says who striked the short because i found your channel great content and im glad i found this page
Now that was cool.
I've often wondered why it is drawn as a twisted loop.
Now I know 👍
The video doesn't explain this. The elongation is understandable - the Earth's axis is tilted, and the height of the Sun above the horizon changes throughout the year. Where do the "loops" come from? The Earth's orbit has a slight eccentricity, causing it to move faster for one part of the year and slower for another. That is, the duration of a solar day is different all the time - sometimes longer, sometimes shorter. We use the average solar day to measure time. The "loops" of the analemma show the difference between mean and real solar time - the so-called "equation of time".
The path it traces appears more like the infinity symbol. This could be why this shape was used to represent it.
Really great work!
The symbol was created by John Wallis in 1655 either at random or possibly as a corruption of a styling of the Roman numeral for 100,000,000.
Amazing work thank you very much !
THANK YOU for this!
Keep doing that for next 300 years. Cameraman never dies.
Impressive arm and shoulder control, that cameraman didn't flinch for 3 years⚠️😳😲😁
I don't want to be nit picky, cuz I could never stand still in the same place for that long, but you can tell he gets tired in 2017 as it wobbles for a bit
Stolen comment, great job
@@robertomorais187no ideas are original anymore, just stop it
@@convects Like I'm gonna browse through the comments and pick one to 'copy'?🤔⚠️😲
For what gain?
It was just my first thought as I watched the video, maybe my wit and sense of humour aligns with someone else?
Excellent!! Now I understand the analemma! The top and bottom are the solstices, and the intersection is the equinoxes! Cool!
No, the intersection does not coincide with the equinoxes. Watch the video again and you will see that the Sun passes through the intersection point on ~April 13 and August ~30. And then look where the Sun is on March 20 and September 22.
The equinox dates show the sun halfway between the two solstice ends. The loop intersection is related to latitude. All great observations!
Yeah, but why is it a asymmetric loop, instead of a straight line?
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@@tatelyle1 Because of the ellipticity of the Earth's orbit and the difference between average and real solar time.
The top is when the sun is doing it Circuit North Center, North for six months where the sun takes a smaller route as it’s corkscrew back further south where everything expand further out south is the bottom part where the sun catches up speed to cover a huge land of area in a period of 24 hours, yes ladies and gentlemen, the Earth is not a spinning globe. It is a flat infinite topographical station airplane.
Amazing. It makes sense that the solstices are at the points where the analemma has a vertical tangential line (summer and winter solstice) and that the equinoxes are at the inflection points
Absolutely perfect thanks fir sharing this huge amount of diligent work!!
Wonderful! How many times I've tried to explain this,, thank you 🙂🏴
We see the phenomenon, but there is no explanation.
@@brinckauIn the notes, under "...more"
@brinckau We see it moving but we're pretty much forced to believe it's stationary...
@@brinckauWhat? The explanation is in the description, we’ve known what causes this for a long time.
1:30 lower left the reflection of a comet?
0:44 2
Comets, meteorites and asteroids don’t exist
@@mikeslemonade
I almost believe you because NASA is the biggest psyops in human history 😂😂😂
@@mikeslemonade
What a very strong statement. Are you going to argue this position or just throw it out there and say nothing
@@mikeslemonadeare you stupid 😮
That is awesome! Axis and wobble shown perfectly!! Love it!!!
Neither axis nor wobble is seen here
@@RUS38i wondered about that.
You'd need to do same for Polaris to see precession & nutation.
@@RUS38I agree!!
I see the "stationary" sun moving across the sky..... and it's very smooth.
It's a stationary flat earth with the sun moving.
@@simonm1528 undulation of tectonic tides
So I see you had snowy Christmas in 2016, lovely
Fascinating! You have my many thanks for this valiant endeavor.
Fun facts:
The middle of the red portions approximate the solstices and halfway between them (not at the crossing point, but left of it near the 260° tick) will approximate the equinoxes.
The reason the winter (for the northern hemisphere) solstice section (on the left) has a longer distance is because the Earth is at perihelion (closest to the Sun) while the summer solstice is at aphelion (farthest from the Sun).
The crossing point appears to be exactly West. I'm not sure if that means anything.
I knew what the analemma is. Now I KNOW what the analemma is. Thanks.
I remember watching the sun during corona when I had to sit at my desk from 3pm to 7 pm everyday for school. I had never noticed it moving so much before, and it’s really interesting to see how the line that was drawn is almost exactly the same as the doodle I did to show my mom how the sun was moving lol
3pm til 7pm? Where did you go to school lol
@@liamhagan4546They said this was during COVID, so probably at home
That explains the foolish comment
Awesome to watch. It blows my mind every year how quickly the length of the days change in spring and fall.
This should have more views. Great work.
The smoothness and consistency of the lens flare throughout the frames is something that you would obviously expect.
but seeing it with your own eyes is still surprising.
I really appreciate for your big effort and sharing this video ❤❤❤❤❤❤
I have been Watching the Sun for years and figured out its to the Left in Summer and Right in Winter. However, I did not realize it went Up and Down too! Nor did I know that it did a Crossover Loop!! Very very Educational Video on how the Sun Tracks on its Annual Route!!!
It depends also on latitude, dare I say. In extreme north or south places the sun could be beyond the horizon some days at a given hour, not that far from noon. I live in Costa Rica and therefore I'm very close to the equator. I see some changes in the time and position of the sun when it rises through the year but from my location wouldn't be able to do this because of the mountains, although it is possible from another place and way enough time.
The sun doesn't move. The changes in the appearance are due to the change of the earth relative to the sun, because the earth tilts on its axis.
Edit: I am speaking of the Sun in relationship to the earth. What I mean is that the earth is not stationary, and the sun does not revolve around it, nor circle above it. I have had too many conversations with flat-earthers, lately. Sorry.
@@annep.1905depends on what frame of reference you use... The frame in which the Earth is stationary is certainly not inertial; but it's still a valid frame of reference that we all use every day.
@@trueriver1950 Well, there's only one true frame of reference... but I suppose either way it's interesting to have that information. Of course, it's only really useful if you live in the same approximate latitude.
@traybern There would still be some seasons, because the earth also travels closer to the sun, and the cold air from the poles would affect the weather. But your response assumes that the earth's tilt is changing, which I am not sure is true.
Anyway, it matters little. This earth, probably, won't be around that long. In fact, I'm guessing that it only has a little more than 1,000 years before it is destroyed and a new, perfect earth is created.
It would be cool to see side by side comparisons done at different latitudes. Awesome video. Thank you
This is quite cool, thanks for spendiing three years making this happen 🙂
Love this! Thanks for sharing!
Nature sure knows how to put on a show!
Realise His name's not Nature and your life changes
@@KC9UDX I stand by my observation. The natural world is as we see it. If you prefer to believe some super-powerful being is behind everything, then feel free. Just don’t expect me to join in.
@@sfperalta your observation doesn't refute mine. We see the same things. But I see obvious intelligent perfection and splendor where you see random happenstance that shouldn't exist, by all attempts to understand. Feel free you believe what you like, but don't be surprised to suffer the consequences, eventually.
@@KC9UDX An intelligence that becomes malevolent if its creation refuses to believe into it does not deserve to be gratified in any way.
There is zero evidence of intelligence in the way universe works. Only grand chaos and localized order because that's how entropy works.
@@KC9UDX So sick of you CON ARTISTS FEAR MONGERING ppl into "OH NO YOU'Re GOING TO BURN FOREVER". The bible has contradicted itself MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY TIMES. Here's a challenge FIND out WHO MADE THE DINOSAURS! Then ask yourself "WHAT CAME FIRST MAN OR A BOOK ABOUT A (FICTIONAL) MAN "
READING AND WRITING had to EXIST PRIOR TO BOOKS AND THERE WERE NOT GOD STORIES THEN!
Here's a source for you to look at while we observe the greatness WITHOUT FEAR OF FOREVER BURNING (made up boogie man)
www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBAttachments/101_Contradictions_In_The_Bible.pdf
Fantastic…and surprising. I always felt that winter sun went faster down somehow as the days shortened and the steep downward trajectory of this track proves it…notice also the sun is a bit lower before the shortest calendar day (Dec 21) in that little loop.
yep its why the earliest sunset is before the latest sunrise afaik. if practically stays in the same spot for 2 weeks lol
The sun doesn't go anywhere.. the earth moves.
@@tristantheoofer2 you must be joking. Every sunrise is before the next sunset which is before the next sunrise. If you go into the Arctic circle, there will be (at least) one day where the sun doesn't set at all. Is that sunset before the sunrise? Use your goddamn brain for 2 seconds. 🐵
@@nowandrew4442i been to the sun many times it's crazy to see how far away earth gets in July
@@placesaroundus checks out 👍
Thankyou my friend for this effort ❤from India
Infinity. Amazing work, Thank You!
This is better than "clockwork" precision. Amazing work here! I would say that this shape is closer to the infinity symbol.
Infinity symbol, too! Good point!
Which could mean: The sun will move across the sky for infinity.
@UnitTracesource: trust me bro, scientist said so.
Lemniscate
@UnitTrace Even if it were just a mere 1000....
That piece of information is useless.
This is a great visualization to help me understand why summer & winter feel so long but then end so suddenly, and fall and spring seem so fleeting. The sun moves (relative to us ofc) so much faster during the fall and spring months
yep where i am spring and fall seem to last abt like 2 weeks in terms of temp lmao. but then theres like another 2 weeks of inbetween each so the other 40 weeks are relatively evenly split between summer and winter
Thumbs up!
This should get more views
Dear Robert thank You for this work! i was looking for it😊🙏🏻
awww, knew a girl in college we nicknamed after that phenomenon.
Globes used to have analemma printed on them so you can determine clock time based on sun time.... we know why this happens.
Truly fascinating.
Dam that was awesome.. I could picture our Earth moving in orbit around SOL watching this... Thank You.
Well that's just awesome. Totally entrancing to watch.
Absolute beautifull and very informative for me thanks too much for this video ! greate work and sorry for my bad english skill ;)
Analemma just sounds like the name of a pretty fun girl.
Analemma Baerbock, the german foreign Minister. She is in Deed pretty funny.
@@vorzeichen494 Annalena Charlotte Alma Baerbock.
This probably doesn't help flat-earthers, even though it's totally awesome
Gotta love the 24/7 clarity here in san diego.... Always good for skywatching
Can't wait to see more like this.
Incredible, thank you for doing this 🙏🏻
The best way to enjoy this IMO is to visualise the sun as static and the horizon moving up and down like the front of ship. Then you appreciate more that it is the Earth 'wobbling' through the seasons, whilst the Sun stays relatively in its place.
The only wobble is the one inside your funny little head, pal.
@@severiusbrandusa1413he's right though. The earth is tilted on its axis and that tilt doesn't rotate with earths orbit. That's the whole reason we have seasons. One half of the orbit has the northern hemisphere getting more sun and the other has the south getting more sun. That's why summer and winter are opposite one another across the hemispheres
@Coastal_Cruzer Sounds like your head is tilted too far to the left to know what's real and what's delusion.
@@severiusbrandusa1413 right because if I don't agree with you I'm automatically a leftist. Speaks a lot more about you than me bub
@Coastal_Cruzer I was just kidding, bud. It's all theatre of the mind, ol' chap.
"There is neither Republican nor Democrat! Just a menacing, black, two-headed eagle which bears the mark of Thirty-Three!" - George Washington, President Number One, in his address to his fellows during his inauguration, 1777.
Now, if you could record another 25,997 or so years, we could observe earth's presession.
It reminds me of the movie "Cast Away" when Chuck Noland (Tom Hanks) uses a small light hole in the cave to mark the passage of time.
He marked the same “eight” shape on the stone.
Tom Hanks??
@@Krill_all_health_insuranceCEOs Yes. The role of Chuck Noland was played by Tom Hanks.
_WilsooOonnn!_ 🏐
@@VictorCampos87 oh yeah I had forgotten the character's name
he would have had to make the mark at the same time every day. how did he know what time to make it?
This vid pops up in the dictionary under 'dedication'. 👏👏❤️🇬🇧
Gives me goosebumps that how fast and stable were going through space
That's the route the sun is moving in
@@mikewest9470no, it is ours
Also how short life is if you speed it up this fast
@@mikewest9470that’s us going around the sun at a tilt
Space is revolving around us Copernicus.
Is this the same curve as plotting the point from a sun-dial pointer at the same time each day?
When you think about it, that is more or less what happens here: If you think of the camera as a camera obscura, the pinhole would represent the pointy bit of the sun dial, and the "plate" would represent the area the shadow is cast to. In a modern camera the focal point of the lens(es) would represent the pointy bit, and the photoelectric sensor the area the shadow is cast to.
(Sure, it wouldn't actually be the same, assuming the sun-dial is of the traditional type of flat plane with pointy bit standing straight up, since the projection would be a bit different, so you would get a slightly skewed version.)
I’m just wondering why people think that the earth is stationary. The solar analemma is caused by the earths elliptical orbit around the sun and its tilt on the axis of 23.5 degrees. And the Timelapse shows pictures of the days at the same relative time.
Our language is based on an Earth centred frame of reference. In General Relativity this is just as valid a frame of reference as any other.
It's a linguistic thing. Our almanacs still show times for "sunrise" and "sunset". We know what is meant and we don't quibble about it.
If you've ever asked a fidgety child to "sit still" on a moving train or in a moving car, I'm sure you really intended them to exit their the rear at -60mph?
Except when you're in a physics exam, please stop being pedantic.
Another option is the earth is stationary while the sun is moving following the analemma path.
If the earth is turning around the sun why would there be a cross/cut at all. Why on August 29th?
Coincidence or not this is Saint John the Baptist 's day, whose head was cut off.
@@pericodelospalotes5078that makes more sense. Time to wake the **** up already people, its time.
I want to see a model of analemma working on globe and or flat model
Amazing! Congratulations! God bless you! 😁👍
Beautyful proof, that earth orbits the sun on an aproximatly closed trajectory and returns to the same point relative to the sun nearly every year
Awesome time lapse from the observatory. As usual, the more we know, the more questions we ask, and so here are a couple. 1) It is noticed that the time stamp is about 4:50pm to 5:50 pm PDT. Why not do this at 12 noon each day during maximum sun elevation? Is the hour difference sometimes due to daylight savings time and the late time due to show the geography? 2) The sun appears to move between 241 degrees and 282 degrees, giving a difference of 42 degrees. Shouldn't this difference be closer to 47 degrees (23.5S+23.5N)? Is this difference a parallax-type effect of taking the video from about 33 degrees North? Thanks, just being curious.
On cloudy days it is statistically more likely to observe position of sun near horizon when facing west whenever there is opening in cloud deck to the west. You could do same experiment looking east for rising sun but due to night-time cooling effect there is greater likelihood of mid to low level cloud/fog obstruction of morning sun.
Extraordinary. What's wrong with taking the clock time, when in the middle to the top it changes from 4:40 to 5:50?
oh yes, maybe because the screen won't be enough (the sun won't be visible on the screen)
It's daylight savings.
I have the same doubt 😢 can anyone explain me plz
@@spitfire184what do you mean by daylight saving
@@hellohi-vv6xcIn most of the Continent (North America) There is a date when the time is changed. Forward one hour in the spring time and Backwards one hour in the fall.
One of the most elegant proofs of the spherical globe.
Yep
Is it, though??
It just as elegantly demonstrates precession and seasonal variance on the flat model.
Cameraman never dies!!!!!!
Come up with something original for fuck's sake, you're not funny.
The acting in this video was just stellar.
The stationary sun, moves so elegantly...
No it just moves
1:06 is my b day
year or month
Bro is 8 years old
October 10
Great video. Inspiring. Thought provoking, see below. Keep them coming.
Q. 1 Would I be right, over time, I would expect the figure 8 travel, year on year, as the earth travels through seasons over the years. As you say the earth travels in an elliptical orbit around the sun?
The change would be tiny, but builds up over time, many years. A computer simulation extrapolating from the Analemma would better explain this.
Q. Also would the reason for the bottom heavy figure of 8 is because of the latitude above the equator. Perhaps another time lapse experiment could be done at the equator to show an even figure of 8. and one in the southern hemisphere. Or a lot faster a computer simulation from the input first analemma and other relevant factors.
On a related topic. I wonder if Stonehenge, In the UK, and others India, Egypt, Europe, Latin America had their megalithic structures so precisely aligned around the world, would have knowledge of this? As it would predict the best time for crop harvesting and cultivation, among uses.
The reason the figure 8 has a larger bottom section is a result of the earth's slightly oval orbit. Imagine an oval with a dot offset from the middle. When the earth is going around in an oval, the direction from the earth to the sun will not always be tangential to the outline of the oval. This is the reason for the figure 8. The reason for the slightly larger lobe at the bottom of the 8 is because the points where the oval is perfectly perpendicular to the path facing the sun are not symmetrical, due to the sun not being in the exact middle of the oval.
@@sodiumvapor13thank you for this excellent answer. I had thought it had something to do with the earth being a non spherical body.
@@sodiumvapor13 and as OP ponders, the elliptical orbit and the distorted analemma does indeed do the opposite down here on the south of the equator.
one goes further and can surmise that equatorial dwellers see it overhead, still distorted to one pole, with the unusual point that they have two winters per year at the two extremes of the solstice, and two summers at equinox...
and...
the distance travelled from equinox to solstice and back is not even... due to apogee and perigee velocities...
we in the south get long mild winters that drag on, as the sun stays low, only small changes every day, with rapid and fierce summers as we get closer and faster.
north getting long lazy mild summers with harsh fierce winters...
The first people to figure out agriculture must have had a reasonable amount of knowledge about the seasons, but aligning a megalithic structure like Stonehenge is probably easier than working out the best time to plant crops - you just have to get up before sunrise and move a log to point at where the sun comes up.
@@janTasita except... you have to do it EVERY DAY for lots of years... decades...
at least one year to know the solstices and equinoxes, a few more years to make sure, and what about if it rains?
got no clock... only idea of "time" is when that sun rises and sets. or moon. or stars... no way to tell what a "year" is until that shadow is right there again, and the weather feels the same. then theres the nuisance of the leap year messing things up every now and then...
you forget that everything you take for granted has been developed over a bloody long time...
Good work, Robert Quimby !! Thanks.
thank you, for your work 🙏
incredible where we live! the wonderful dome ❤
What 'dome'?
@@leftpastsaturn67 firmament that earth is under: ua-cam.com/video/PknZIT4hY1M/v-deo.html
I’m surprised that the camera wasn’t moved at all in 3 years, or a bug wasn’t in the way. Spiders unfortunately love my security cameras, and I once had a squirrel move one.
These are single frames taken over three years with an interval of 24 hours. Not continuous shooting.
@@andreytsyganov7321 I don’t see how that changes the fact that a human or animal couldn’t have moved the camera, or a bug or spider wouldn’t call the camera home and obstruct the view, for those three years.
@@jerickstudios582 What human? What if the camera was on the roof or on the balcony of the camera owner's house? Which human? What is the probability of a bug or a spider appearing in front of the camera at the exact moment of shooting? Why don't you assume that the owner of the camera periodically checked that nothing blocked the view?
0:39 my birthday
I swear same girl
kinda hard to tell which when there flashing different dates at each frame
0:41 is my birthday September 12
Im so glad of this correct recommendation by UA-cam
She’s beautiful. Well done 👏
That is very impressive. 3 years and you camera/tripod didn't break or needed an upgrade.
I'm curious what the path would have been had you not followed Daylight Savings and kept taking photos at "4.40pm" instead of moving to 5.40pm.
The upper part of the curve will be shifted by 15° along the sun's daily movement. So in this case it would shift a little bit right and down.
@@SaMe-oi9ku Thank you
Really good camerawork. Let's hear the flat earthers explain this! I wonder what latitude this is.
In San Diego
Matching this kind of video should get millions of likes.
Absolutely amazing.
Hello!
Great work!
But how did you convert yellow sun to black point? Photoshop? What graphical tools did you use for that?
Sensor overload as mentioned in the video.
@@makermarx I see. But how to see (make) this in image? Curves, filters, alpha?
@JustAGuy InBensalem We see black point, how did you get this as the Sun is yellow? :)
@@SlavBrothers it says in the video that due to sensor overload there was no data for that point hence black... Now we are not sure what kind of sensor was used, maybe something that captures luminosity or something and the centre part readings were probably outside the limits of the sensor
Think of it this way, you look at the sun for a second and look away at a wall or something, you will see a black circle due to "overloaded" luminosity on your retina
It was taken at the Observatory...where work is done for reasons Undisclosed to regular joes? Much Love and Peace 🤜🏼❤🤛🏿
If I had been taking that, the tripod would have got knocked at about 0:39.
Interesting that the summer and winter solstice happen right at the peaks of the shape, where the sun turns around. Very cool!
What is even more amazing is how those positions were identified by ancient peoples. Their intellectual curiosity drove them to measure it over the years, and was big investment in their time
@@danielmiller2886it is not amazing at all. Anything highly repetitive is easy to identify a pattern. The real time wasted is in diety worship and in this instance creating a master sun god.
Very nice work, dedication.