So pleased Hannah managed to stay so composed during the actual police stop as a few minutes after we can see the real impact of such an unnecessary "pull" by the police van. My heart goes out to that young learner.
I hope the officers involved see this and realise the effect their manner had. An interaction should not leave a young person in tears! Having been driving 30 odd years, I have been pulled over only 4 times. It is something that has never bothered me. I always treat the Police as fellow human beings and it's always been a pleasant experience except one time I had to ensure that the officer adjusted his attitude, which he promptly did. They have to control a situation, but when talking to two helpful and cooperative people, it can be done with no one feeling intimidated.
That comment doesn't make sense. The officers should NOT stop a car in case someone starts crying? How are they to know the person driving is going to burst into tears if they stop them? I've stopped cars driven by 17/18 year olds who give it the big "I am" attitude and are abusive and rude. There is no way the officers can possibly know the reaction of the driver.
@@thefiestaguy8831 the stop was completely unnecessary from the start, it was purely for training purposes , why pick on a learner , they had all the necessary details ,they know its insured and MOTd , 100% a wind up by police. EARNING THE HATE EVERY SINGLE DAY.
@@steve10 Why pick on a learner. It's not a marked up driving instructor's car - it would NOT be apparent that it's a driving instructor teaching a student, she said herself it's literally a normal car with L plates on it and doesn't have a headboard. By your logic then police should NEVER stop anyone displaying L plates driving around in what appears to be a normal car. Does it never occur to you that some students drive around in their parent's car, with L plates displayed, and their parents think because they're just driving in a car park they don't need insurance, when actually they do? And if they hit your parked car you'd have no one to claim against? Seen this happen numerous times. Colleagues of mine dealt with one parent who allowed their 12 year old kid to drive their big 4x4 in a car park... what happened? That's right - the kid stuck it in reverse, let off the clutch too quickly and the 4x4 flew backwards smacking into several parked cars in the shopping centre car park. Does it never occur to you that drug runners, and well known criminals acquire a small car, stick L plates on it and drive around 2/3/4 up in the attempt to never be stopped, with the idea that they are unlikely to pull over a learner? This idea that some people have that learners should be able to get away with anything they do and never be stopped is absurd. They're learning - yes, so there's a higher degree of tolerance, but ultimately they are still liable for the vehicle they are in control of. In my 7 years of policing i've never stopped a learner... I rarely stop cars to be totally honest, on average perhaps 1 a month or less. In the video they state they stopped her because it wasn't clear it's an approved instructor's car and she looked quite young to be teaching - some people don't know that you have to be 21 or over and have held a license for 3 years to supervise. In the same way that some people incorrectly assume because they have "fully comp" insurance they can drive anbody else's car 3rd party cover, which is largely incorrect nowadays.
@@thefiestaguy8831 Insurance against damage to vehicles (as opposed to people) is a matter for insurance companies to sort out, not for cops. The idea of policing ought to be to deal with genuinely dangerous folk, not to pick on soft targets and kick public arse for the sake of it. This looked extremely like US police work. Cops should not be placing themselves in a position where they do not have the support of the public, else it will feel to them like soldiers in an occupied territory.
Glad you uploaded this! And so glad you film the lessons. I wonder if the cop had a body cam. He’ll have no witness apart from these videos. Very sorry for your pupil!
Ahhh mate this is so sad literally feel for that girl, plus wasting valuable time actually driving, considering the price of lessons these days, completely out of order tbh. If they want to train up police with potentially unlawful learner drivers take them to the local dvla pass centre and do it on newly passed drivers ffs
You assume police have a crystal ball. There's no roof box on the vehicle apparently, so it's literally just a car with "L" plates displayed. They thought Debbie looked young, and likely only got a passing glimpse of her, so wanted to check, which they did. They were polite and weren't rude, they did the relevant checks and were then let on their way. Not sure what the problem is here? I'm in the job, I've never stopped a "marked" learner car, but then I don't make a habit of stopping cars. I only stop cars for things like manner of driving, no insurance shown (or the policy shows a male driver only but there's a female driving) or they're using a phone whilst driving, etc. There'd be no point in having police if whenever they suspect or wanted to check something, they just ignored it and drove past. I've stopped enough people just for their manner of driving only to discover they weren't insured to drive the car, or there's no actual insurance policy covering that car at all. A colleague of mine recently stopped someone for driving erratically and it transpires he was wanted for a serious sexual offence. Ultimately they didn't do anything "illegal" here. My only criticism is that if it were me and I'd stopped the vehicle for whatever reason, i wouldn't necessarily have stopped it at that location.
No. Be honest. The male officer pulled them because he's training the female copper and with learners there's umpteen extra things to check. Is learner 17, have a provisional, is instructor over 21, had licence for 3 years, is it insured for learners, when does instructor badge expire etc etc. The bit when he asks these two lovely ladies "have either of you been in trouble with the police before" was the cherry on the cake. He pulled them over and wasted their time to teach the next generation of filth how to do a 21-point fishing exercise.
@@thefiestaguy8831yeah you're in the job. Even your post is exactly the wrong attitude. You really have lost all respect of the public. Years gone by I respected the police , ive never been in trouble with the police ever. However I have lost all respect for the police. They cause more problems than they are worth , two tier policing , nasty attitude to intimidate people, escalating situations that should be de escalated. Your copsplaining only goes to show your lack of awareness to the problems.
When they asked if either of you had ever been in trouble with the police it was like they were desperate to find something wrong. Like someone said to me once, people like the fire brigade but not the police because the fire brigade don't go looking for fires
Aw I hate that she lost her confidence! It’s like being in the airport and knowing you’re good but still get nervous walking through security! Debbie handled very well for her student ❤ hope she got back in again to carry on lessons xx
Don't think they realise the impact they have on drivers when they pull them over! This seemed a complete waste of time and was intended to train the female officer.
I literally couldn't believe this just happened to a Learner Driver with Instructor. Can I ask did you have one of those signs on the roof advertising Debbie? again so professionally handled and looking after your students especially when they are at their most vulnerable. Fantastic teacher.
@@earlebacciochi9796 Not sure how you concluded that. Police are salaried, i.e paid yearly, they aren't paid per "job" they deal with, so had they driven past and not stopped her they'd still be paid... thus stopping her cost the taxpayer nothing extra.
such a unnecessary stop , they had a boring day so decided to scare a young learner and make her panic for no abolsute reason , police just hire anyone lmao
You have to be at least 21 to teach someone to drive in the UK so while driving past at a glance the police didnt think the teacher was at least 21 they had every right to pull them over and check.
I know no wonder burglars get away with crimes to busy stopping learners on the roads plus they should go after experience driver's that drive like idiots not learners
Got stopepd on foot many times. On one occasion , walking home at night, streets empty , heard a car approaching from behind, looked around , was a police car. Contiunued on my way home. When I was about to enter my stair, heard tyres screeching behind me, door slam, police man runs at me, then the car takes of at speed, tyres screeching as it stops infront of me, the other policeman man ran out and ran at me They then said that when they saw me look around earlier on it was suspicious, they expected me to run, but I didn't . When they reaslied the stair is where I lived, they pounced on me. I had done nothing wrong. The cops clearly have boring jobs and need excitement.
Even though this was scary both you and Hannah dealt with this so well. I Remember on my lessons, pulling up to an RTC and no one was around, I was a qualified first aider at my work so my instructor was saying to me do you mind if we stop. I just went into auto mode giving first aid to both the drivers involved until the police and ambulances arrived.
??? Why was is scary? They were just stopped by the police! If someone is so sensitive they should not drive What happened to resilience. It's pathetic. Waiting for the snowflakes to reply!
@@nearlyretired7005 Sound like you’re the snowflake old chap. You seem pretty easily offended by someone’s opinion, and taking to the comments section to rant about it. Get yourself out in the sun and melt.
@@nearlyretired7005 Resilience is built over time, with experience. She was 17 years old therefore lacking in experience. If someone is learning to drive there can be no accumulation of driving experience which explains any sensitivity to such things. Some who is 'nearlyretired' should have the logic and rationality to work that out.
They should show this whole sequence of videos in police training. This is a perfect example of the effect police have on people’s everyday lives. In my opinion, this will have impacted the learners confidence significantly. Shameful behaviour, particularly the male copper. Hand your badge in mate. Sure, you’re here to identify crimes, but until you discover a crime, you should be as nice as a greengrocer.
So police can't go about their job and pull people over for fear they might "ruin their confidence"? Whatever next? Police can't arrest people. How do you think this learner is going to cope with a tailgating driver, or an aggressive driver beeping their horn and flashing their lights, or swerving around her as some aggresive drivers do?
@@thefiestaguy8831 They need grounds to arrest you. You may not know this, but the police if they stop a pedestrain for example are not entitled to their name and address unless they suspect you of having commited a crime, sorry to burst your bubble.
@@DemiGod.. I'm fully aware of that. And I didn't say otherwise.... like I said I serve in a UK police service.... UK Road traffic act legislation is different in that if stopped an officer can require you to provide your name and date of birth. Same as driving license and insurance (if you have your license with you - as carrying it isn't mandatory). That doesn't require you to have "committed a crime" in the same way that neither does a vehicle stop under Section 163 RTA 1988.
@@DemiGod..😂😂 this isn't America, the police can stop anyone and ask their name and address without any probable cause as its called in the states, same as stopping a vehicle don't need a reason. And if you refuse you can be arrested until the police ascertain who you are 🙄
@@thefiestaguy8831 I have no issues with the police pulling someone over. It’s the attitude of the male officer the bothers me. ..and clearly within 10 seconds of the stop, it would be clear that their reason for stopping (the supervising driver looked too young) was not actually an issue. They should have said “no problem, our mistake. Nothing about your diving was a problem. Keep up the good work and good luck with your test” But clearly the officer went to the same charm school as you. In other words, no charm, and no school.
That’s so cruel of them to pull you over and go through all that for no reason, they could’ve checked your ages and be done with it. No apology either. Clearly a bit bored and the officer needed training. Really felt for her when you asked if she needs to pull over 😢
Why would they apologise, they didn't do anything they aren't allowed to do? This notion of expecting an apology when you haven't done anything wrong is ridiculous. There's a legal power to stop ANY mechanically propelled vehicle being driven on a public road. No reason is required to stop said vehicle. Definitely don't need "training" just people picking holes because it's a "learner". Guarantee you if she had a headboard on her car (like most driving instructors do) they'd never have stopped her. Had they stopped joe average who's held a license for 2 years, in his own car, nobody would bat an eyelid or say a word... but because it's a "learner" everyone's "up in arms" about it. How ridiculous....what's so special about a learner driver that means they are exempt from the road traffic act?
Helps if people don't write nonsense. Do you go to work and apologise when you've literally done nothing wrong? Do you go to work and get slandered by everyone for doing what you are paid to do? You write comment criticising the officers without the first clue about how any of it works. Are you aware that if the officers don't do their jobs correctly, and that involves doing those said checks, and something occurs later on, they are held accountable and may lose their job? Doesn't help the instructor's car doesn't have a headboard on it, it's literally just a car displaying "L plates". To ANY officer that would look like a normal car owned by a learner, not a driving instructor's car. @@incognaytopotayto
@@incognaytopotaytohe's obviously a very angry copper that can't control himself , he is constantly spamming posts with how he is a cop so he should know attitude. The same attitude they have when they make bad mistakes or turn a blind eye to other corrupt officers. They just aren't worth taxpayers money anymore
I was just thinking this. Very strange event. The police van was causing a totally unnecessary obstruction there with very poor positioning, to pull a learner car over. Very odd
It was totally unnecessary for the police to stop them. The instructor would have had her DSA Instructors License in the Windscreen and probably advertising her driving school on the car. All questions should have been directed towards the instructor, not the pupil. Also did I hear correctly the male officer telling them how to move off safely, if so how dare he, the instructor is more qualified than they are. They should be looking out for and stopping drivers on mobile phones, no seatbelts, no insurance, mot, etc. Had they even considered that the pupil could have been on her driving test. After watching all three parts, the officers asked stupid questions. Firstly, the instructor would have checked the pupils licence before giving any lessons. The instructor would not be issued with a DSA Licence to instruct without being old enough and the correct driving licence, total bang out off order.
The one thing I was a little worried about was that she had no idea that a DVSA badge even existed. It wasn’t until I mentioned it to her that she asked to see. The male officer should’ve perhaps mentioned it to her prior to stopping us.
Give it a rest. A driving instructor is hardly more qualified than a police driver. A "Driving instructor" would probably shit their pants at the speed that trained police drivers regularly drive it, comfortably and in control. They're qualified to teach - yes. When was the last time you heard of a driving instructor doing a 21 day course, driving a vehicle at extremely high speeds on extremely challenging roads, at the mercy of the public who sometimes do very daft things, whereby they can be booted off the course and fail it at ANY time, not just the final assessment, AND booted off of it for any driving criticism? Whilst getting an ADI might take longer the actual driving is a lot slower paced and there's no "fast time" decision making, the car control concept is nowhere near the same as it would be for police drivers. How many ADI's have heard of or utilise "Roadcraft" techniques in their driving?
@@thefiestaguy8831 First of all Driving Instructors don’t Teach, they are not Teachers. Second not all Police Officers do a 21 day Course, driving at high speed, that is only for Pursuit Driver Training, for Road Traffic Police and some Police Instructors are Civilian Instructors and Yes I have heard of “Roadcraft,” read it and utilise it when I drive and when I was an ADI. Could I ask what driver qualifications you have and tests passed?
One part is correct - not all police drivers do a 21 day course. Other part isn't. Standard response course is 20 days and involves driving at high speeds. 140mph on the motorway in lane 3, for a period of around 45 minutes. Up to typically 100mph on country roads where reasonably safe to do so. ALL of which is done in an UNMARKED car, for the first week generally the exemptions are utilised with no warning equipment activated. There is also a 1 day familiarisation driving in a response mode in a van, typically this is either a station van (Ford transit custom) or a Minibus, essentially a ford transit with more seats in it. Not sure where you got the impression that only "police pursuit drivers" (I believe you are referring to "Advanced" drivers and not drivers with IPP who also CAN pursue) are the only ones that have been on a near enough 3 week long course. @@alanhindmarch4483
@@thefiestaguy8831what a nasty police attitude, you earn the hate daily. It will come a day where the public will just walk by and not help police if they get into trouble. No point in phoning them now for anything. As the saying goes , there is no situation that can't be made worse just by police turning up. They could make a wake turn into a riot just by their attitudes..
Legally, the police are meant to notify you the reason for the stop. Random police stops are still not legal in this country as they are in others. Same goes for stop and search rule.
Unfortunately this is wrong. The Police do not need any reason for stopping you. Section 163 details what the driver of a vehicle is expected to do if stopped by a police officer in uniform when they are driving.
Unless you have committed a moving offence or there is a marker on the car they should not have stopped you on such a busy road they could easily have stopped you in the lay by you did use to change over. Well done Debbie for taking over. At least they were polite but their reason for the pull was pathetic.
One of the very worst police stops EVER. They have literally taken the piss. They really do earn the hate everyday. This was definitely her first week on the job , and they effectively used innocent people as her test. I hated everything about this stop. They know full well its a learner driver with a teacher , so why pick on them. Surely they understand what an effect it will have on a learner driver.
Genuinely sounded like the male police officer was using the stop mainly to teach the female officer what to look for. She’s possibly being trained herself or new to the job.
I know this is like a year old but you both handled that brilliantly. Maybe the cop was training i dont know but I hope she did pass and this didn't stop her.
So, not that anyone should be debating it, but it is worth pointing out: The stop is lawful (Road Traffic Act 1988 - Part VII - Power of Constables and other authorised persons): 163 & 164 Power to Stop Vehicles "A person driving a motor vehicle on a road must stop the vehicle on being required to do so by a constable in uniform." Power of constables to require production of driving licence and in certain cases statement of date of birth Any of the following persons- (a)a person driving a motor vehicle on a road, - - - - This covers the Driver (d)a person- (i)who supervises the holder of a provisional licence while the holder is driving a motor vehicle on a road - - - - This covers the Instructor. Is it, however, likely performed as a training exercise for the apparently new traffic officer (The lady officer, present in Clip 2 also, where she has a number of concepts explained to her, such as the reading of the insurance and license details and the correct interpretation of them)? Almost certainly. 0:52 "[Here's what you do after this in a stop]" The reason this stop was done? It's easy bait for the training of the new officer. Whether, if i had any influence over the training of police forces, that I would advocate using the General public as 'experiments' or not is up for debate due to pros and cons, but I will focus on the cons, because it has a couple of obvious flaws. 1. If it's done for training, you're going to pull over 'Law abiding citizens' because they're predictable, and probably have everything in order, so you will target professionals because they carry few risks. I.e. Are you going to risk having 'the unknown' creep up on you - someone in a car suspected of trafficking drugs with potential to pull a knife, for example? Probably not. So you'll hit the easy targets because it's unlikely anything will go massively awry and you are already expecting everything to be correct, which makes life easy and you can show your trainee "This is what it should look like". 2. If it's done for training, why due to the notation of the above, could you not just use ACTUAL examples in a fixed training setting (and then it'll get into arguments about budget and time and resource and all of the rest of it) but the simple answer is this: What has she learnt here that she couldn't have learnt in a controlled environment? Again, it's a perfectly legal stop. It doesn't stop it however being a colossal waste of everyone's time, bar perhaps the trainee (both Debbie's Trainee, and the female officer) who get to learn how these interactions go down. Just seems like a bigger question is to why on the job training is executed in such a manner.
Have you done the job before? I am serving in a different area to where this video was recorded. Doing things "in training" are VERY different to doing things out in public. In the training "scenarios" you stop a car in a private car park doing about 5mph, driven by a police officer (police trainer) who is FULLY AWARE you are stood there and isn't going to run you over. On real roads you might be expected to stop a car doing 30-40mph, potentially stopping a drugged up driver, drunk driver or a driver who's as blind as a bat and shouldn't be driving, or one who might try and run you down intentionally. VERY different scenario and you can't realistically compare the two in this context. Stop and search training scenarios - again, a police trainer playing the role of a "stooge". You know full well they aren't going to cave your head in the first chance they get, you know they haven't got an actual knife they are going to pull out and slash you with. Compare that to on the street where you are stopping people who might well try and seriously harm you at the first opportunity they get, or the moment you let your guard down or are in a vulnerable position, such as searching someone.... again they're extremely different. The only way you really learn is by actually doing it out in public.
Can you imagine being at a party and when someone asks you what you do for a job, you say you're a police officer. And at that moment, the copper knows all respect for them has gone.
I got followed and stopped by the police once. I think the officer was a bit shocked that I jumped out and ran to him still seated and gave him my licence before he could ask. Totally put him on the back foot, I think he knew his suspicions were probably wrong at that point.
Consider it as a learning point you never thought you’d have… and should never have had, poor performance in many ways from the police but excellent client centred teaching from the instructor
Police officer driving the van should have stayed behind the learner Vehicle. Well done Hannah for remaining calm and composed during the stop and excellent driving instructor pulling over at the earliest point to take back control of the vehicle. Female police officer seemed really pleasant, not so much the male officer. Any time I’ve been pulled by the police over the years I know everything is in order so just end up generally having a laugh with them, after all they are just doing their jobs. Only ever had one rude traffic cop when I was lorry driving so he got a rude attitude in return. Generally speaking though most officers are pleasant and polite unless you’re kicking off at them.
1:59 agreed… I think she’s a newer officer and needs to do certain tasks to complete training. It did seem like other officer was talking her through the interaction.
Have they got nothing better to do than scare a young learner driver, well done to the young lady for keeping calm in front of the police, Debbie how dare you look so, that might be an offence. 😂😂😂
I don't understand why people think police should see someone driving that looks too young and not check. Sometimes the person is too young or uninsured. Imagine if there was an accident and you heard the police had spotted the driver who seemed too young, not in a driving instructor car, but done nothing. I'd rather the police checked and found no problem than "hoped for the best". If people thought there was a higher chance of being stopped then there would be fewer unroadworthy vehicles, fewer driving without insurance or under the influence and less dangerous driving. Surely all good things.
Hello I’d like to report my van being Brocken into “ sorry we haven’t got time to come out to you , we are currently blocking the road with our big van and having a laugh and a joke Well done them police
I hope this was reported. If Hannah was correct and it was a training stop, they should not have done it on a learner driver, in fact, I think it's criminal that they do these training stops on the general public. - The stop was conducted in an unsafe place. - They did not give a clear statement as to why the stop took place and their reasoning. - They asked unnecessary questions, unrelated to the stop. - Most if not all of the required information would have been on the police computer in the van. As somebody who works in the Private Security Industry and who has liaisoned with the police on numerous occasions. I feel I can safely say this stop is one of the worst I have ever seen and was potentially unlawful. The standards need to be raised.
Appalling, you took the stop in far better humour than i would have.... but we all have to be polite or we get arrested. I'm appalled they chose to pull a learner. I have the same worry with my Son, i'm teaching him to drive and he has his Manual car test in about an hour. He already has a full license to drive an automatic car but even with all documentation in place i worry every time we pass a police car.
I was stopped years ago on a clearly unwarranted stop, apparently moving off one road into another I crossed a "white line", of course I did, the road i moved into had a white bloody line. I was short and grouchy with the f££kwit, but not abusive, and he actually had the nerve to ask me why I was pissed off at the stop. ------So I told him ---- well, he asked............
When you have done nothing wrong, even for a mature person, this would be upsetting. I think an apology is due. Professional standards should see this.
For what? they did nothing illegal at all. Would be another wasted complaint to professional standards unit and result in "no case to answer". Half the complaints the police get are utter nonsense.
I was stopped years ago when I was seventeen, and driving around a small Scottish town. This was decades before cameras were a thing. He said one of my brake lights were flickering. I replied, there's nothing wrong with my lights, why did you really stop me? His response was, " Because I didn't know your face, and I wanted to know why you were driving around OUR town".
@@DemiGod.. Not at all we both thought it hilarious.. He turned out of a side road a Jaguar came over the hill and candidate thought accelerate and not get hit. Jag turned into the side road
They will give any excuse to justify the stop. If the reason was they thought you looked too young then surely after approaching the car they can see your of legal age. They were fishing for anything and there was no reason to. Really sad to see.
police officers need funding for proper training 😂 they have no idea what to do. when a crime doesn't happen and when a crime actually happens they panic and call a whole squad full of idiots to help them
Pulling a learner for a a training exercise is shoking. Must admit just seeing the police when I’m in the car I feel guilty about something even though I know I’m fine lol
Knowing how vindictive they can be, it's never a pleasure, at least now with documents like MOT tax and insurance logged, they don't do so many speculative stops. At odd hours they can pull you over just because they're bored.
Only up to a point. The learner is still responsible for their actions behind the wheel, and if there was anything wrong with her driving, she would have got points on her provisional licence.
Is this what the taxpayers are paying for and the most stupid question of this traffic stop is after doing their checks asked if any of them have been in trouble with the police before …that’s not part of a traffic stop
Police don't enforce parking usually - down to council. Where I police we certainly don't (I'm in a London force). And yes, we do attend burglaries, ALL of them where the occupier actually wants us to attend.
@@CymruEmergencyResponder This wasn't for you, the original commenter needs to look at the law. Always interesting to see people who comment on things like this where they don't actually know the law which is readily available on-line.
If you've done nothing wrong, there's no need to panic. I've been stopped by the police before, did nothing wrong, i was on my way. No need to panick or act suspicious and im black 😂😂😂
I hope these so called police officers were reprimanded. Such a dangerous and irresponsible action from the police to pull over young a learner driver. You wonder why people have no respect for the police these days.
Reprimanded for conducting a perfectly legal stop on a car displaying "L plates" without a headboard? Say what you like... I guarantee had the car displayed a headboard clearly showing it was a driving instructor's car they'd not have bothered. This is literally NO different to me or you teaching our son/daughter to drive and putting "L plates" on our personal cars and getting stopped. How are they to know she is an ADI? The car just displays L plates, there's no headboard.
@@thefiestaguy8831 Well done, you’ve worked it out, it should not have happened in the first place. Pedantic micky taking at its best. This stop is akin to pulling over an ambulance for nothing. Give your head a wobble. Common sense has gone!
The officers made a mistake in pulling you over. It’s alright to make a mistake but the roadside audit of your insurance, registration, tax and MOT as a transparent attempt to justify their mistake was rude and unnecessary - especially when those issues were completely unrelated to their stated reason for the stop. I’m not as quick to criticize police online as some are but this was petty and embarrassing lol
You sound as if you don't know what you are talking about. "They made a mistake". They are literally allowed to stop any vehicle they like without reason. That doesn't make it a "mistake". I guarantee you if this instructor had a headboard on her car they'd never have stopped her. To them this was just a "normal" car displaying L plates.
Good call by the police. There are too many illegal instructors on the roads, ripping off pupils and doing us genuine instructors out of work. Good learning experience for the pupil even though she found it a bit challenging. Reasonably handled by both sides.
@@DemiGod.. If she gives up driving because she gets stopped by the police, then she shouldn't be on the road. What would happen to her if she drove on a motorway, surrounded by massive lorries, would she panic then and cause a pileup? As a police officer myself, who HAS been stopped myself probably close to 10 times (thanks to driving a lot at night and unsocial hours due to shift patterns) it really isn't a huge deal. You seem to forget that she's learning to drive a 1-2 TON piece of metal on a public road, with other road users who's lives may be at risk. If she's liable to suddenly have a "panic attack" or her confidenced is "knocked" then is it really safe for her to be on the road?
I've never watched any of your clips before but from my perspective, that stop was totally uncalled for. To pull over a young driver under tuition like that is just trying to cause an accident. I can remember I was pulled over for no reason and I was shaking. I'd been a driver for about 18 years and if I was shaken then I dread to think how that young lady you were teaching must have felt. You did brilliantly as an instructor - full respect to you.
I get stopped frequently. I'm a serving officer myself. Been doing the job not far off ten years. I've been driving for just over 10 years. I don't complain - no point arguing, only takes longer, just let them do what they have to do and you're on your way. People think policing is an "easy" job and this is all you do. It really isn't. I've seen more dead bodies in a 1 month period than most people will ever see in their life. Have you ever seen a 30 year old bloke, swinging from a fence with a noose around his neck having committed suicide? I have. I then had to search his soaking wet and cold body after he'd been cut down to ensure no foul play. If people really want to complain about police stopping a car then I think there are bigger issues at hand. The officers were not rude and were complimentary. I suspect this is a new officer being taught how to conduct the respective checks. If they aren't allowed to stop a car to conduct said checks, how are they ever going to learn how to do them? There's many checks us police have to do when we stop vehicles (minimum of 3 really) and if we miss anything and something happens we could be held liable. sometimes stop checks reval the most surprising things. I was policing a festival a few years back, we were stopping random people and conducting name checks. One person tried to get into the festival.... unfortunately for him he got stopped and provided his name, forgetting that 12 months prior he had apparently "forgotten" to turn up to court when charged with driving offences. Ended up being arrested and put before the court the next day. Roadside stop checks are always worth doing.
@thefiestaguy8831 I understand where you yourself are coming from. I made the decision in my early 20s against joining the force as I'm not thick-skinned enough so I have no issues with them doing their jobs. My concern was that pulling a young or inexperienced driver clearly under tuition who seemed to do no wrong could have caused an accident as they are still learning the skills of managing a motor vehicle, the roads and everything else. In this instance they could have chosen a non-learner is more to my point, someone who already has the skills and therefore more able to adapt to that situation. Fortunately the instructor was experienced enough to take over the command of the vehicle.
@@acward2007 I'm not going to get personal and I respect opinions. Personally I feel that this is part of driving. If a learner can't for instance physically cope with being pulled over by police, then how are they going to cope when they pass their test, drive their car on their own 1 week after passing and come across an aggresive driver who tries to intimidate them? The amount of drivers i've had tailgate me for miles on end flashing, beeping and gesturing from their car behind when they want to overtake on a dangerous blind bend and can't do so, is frankly astonishing. This is literally all part of driving, too many people are afraid of police when there's no reason to be. British police are some of the most approachable officers out there. Only the other day I was followed by a police vehicle for about 2 miles, suspecting I was about to be stopped, as it happened we both went to the same fuel garage, and as I paid for my fuel at the night pay till, I turned around to see the officer queuing to pay for fuel, I spoke to him and got a friendly response back. When you see the standard of driving that i've seen, sometimes you start to wonder if some people are actually "cut out" for driving. I've nearly been hit by a so called "private hire" (Uber) driver who turned right at a "no right turn" sign and drove past two NO ENTRY signs clearly visible and well lit, he proceeded to drive straight at me and it's only when I flashed and beeped him he drove onto the grass verge to avoid me. This is supposedly a "professional driver" who is literally paid to drive people around for a living, yet he missed a "no right turn" sign AND two "no entry" signs. One has to ask where are the driving standards there? Incredibly low in my mind.
Fiesta......If you are a serving Officer all you need do is flash your warrant card. Traffic Division are probably the only Officers that will not immediately wave you on your way......they are known as "Black Rats" for a reason. 😂😂😂
@@thefiestaguy8831 How are they going to learn without stopping the public? Try roleplaying with another police car. You were doing random name checks. Was under the impresion that nobody had to give their name to you unless you suspected them of a crime, did you tell them that or were you relying on public ignorance of the law?
@@godebbiego Maybe this experience has aged you enough for cops to believe you are over 21 in the future. Btw, did you ever consider calling your channel Debbiedoesdriving?
A wast of time! Sort of although it looks like the female police officer was being trained as a lot of double checking was going on from the male officer. So in conclusion a L driver is perhaps a good person pull over as lots to look into especially the ADI also. No need to panic if innocent so why panic. Still i agree that it was unnecessary as the driver looked young because she was young.
Well done to the instructor for doing the right thing and taking over driving.
If you were hard nuts they would dare stop you in case it meant they would have to do some writing 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
So pleased Hannah managed to stay so composed during the actual police stop as a few minutes after we can see the real impact of such an unnecessary "pull" by the police van. My heart goes out to that young learner.
I hope the officers involved see this and realise the effect their manner had. An interaction should not leave a young person in tears! Having been driving 30 odd years, I have been pulled over only 4 times. It is something that has never bothered me. I always treat the Police as fellow human beings and it's always been a pleasant experience except one time I had to ensure that the officer adjusted his attitude, which he promptly did. They have to control a situation, but when talking to two helpful and cooperative people, it can be done with no one feeling intimidated.
That comment doesn't make sense.
The officers should NOT stop a car in case someone starts crying?
How are they to know the person driving is going to burst into tears if they stop them?
I've stopped cars driven by 17/18 year olds who give it the big "I am" attitude and are abusive and rude. There is no way the officers can possibly know the reaction of the driver.
@@thefiestaguy8831kindness costs nothing
@@thefiestaguy8831 the stop was completely unnecessary from the start, it was purely for training purposes , why pick on a learner , they had all the necessary details ,they know its insured and MOTd , 100% a wind up by police.
EARNING THE HATE EVERY SINGLE DAY.
@@steve10 Why pick on a learner.
It's not a marked up driving instructor's car - it would NOT be apparent that it's a driving instructor teaching a student, she said herself it's literally a normal car with L plates on it and doesn't have a headboard.
By your logic then police should NEVER stop anyone displaying L plates driving around in what appears to be a normal car.
Does it never occur to you that some students drive around in their parent's car, with L plates displayed, and their parents think because they're just driving in a car park they don't need insurance, when actually they do? And if they hit your parked car you'd have no one to claim against?
Seen this happen numerous times. Colleagues of mine dealt with one parent who allowed their 12 year old kid to drive their big 4x4 in a car park... what happened?
That's right - the kid stuck it in reverse, let off the clutch too quickly and the 4x4 flew backwards smacking into several parked cars in the shopping centre car park.
Does it never occur to you that drug runners, and well known criminals acquire a small car, stick L plates on it and drive around 2/3/4 up in the attempt to never be stopped, with the idea that they are unlikely to pull over a learner?
This idea that some people have that learners should be able to get away with anything they do and never be stopped is absurd. They're learning - yes, so there's a higher degree of tolerance, but ultimately they are still liable for the vehicle they are in control of.
In my 7 years of policing i've never stopped a learner... I rarely stop cars to be totally honest, on average perhaps 1 a month or less.
In the video they state they stopped her because it wasn't clear it's an approved instructor's car and she looked quite young to be teaching - some people don't know that you have to be 21 or over and have held a license for 3 years to supervise. In the same way that some people incorrectly assume because they have "fully comp" insurance they can drive anbody else's car 3rd party cover, which is largely incorrect nowadays.
@@thefiestaguy8831 Insurance against damage to vehicles (as opposed to people) is a matter for insurance companies to sort out, not for cops. The idea of policing ought to be to deal with genuinely dangerous folk, not to pick on soft targets and kick public arse for the sake of it.
This looked extremely like US police work.
Cops should not be placing themselves in a position where they do not have the support of the public, else it will feel to them like soldiers in an occupied territory.
Glad you uploaded this! And so glad you film the lessons. I wonder if the cop had a body cam. He’ll have no witness apart from these videos. Very sorry for your pupil!
Ahhh mate this is so sad literally feel for that girl, plus wasting valuable time actually driving, considering the price of lessons these days, completely out of order tbh. If they want to train up police with potentially unlawful learner drivers take them to the local dvla pass centre and do it on newly passed drivers ffs
You assume police have a crystal ball.
There's no roof box on the vehicle apparently, so it's literally just a car with "L" plates displayed.
They thought Debbie looked young, and likely only got a passing glimpse of her, so wanted to check, which they did. They were polite and weren't rude, they did the relevant checks and were then let on their way. Not sure what the problem is here?
I'm in the job, I've never stopped a "marked" learner car, but then I don't make a habit of stopping cars. I only stop cars for things like manner of driving, no insurance shown (or the policy shows a male driver only but there's a female driving) or they're using a phone whilst driving, etc.
There'd be no point in having police if whenever they suspect or wanted to check something, they just ignored it and drove past. I've stopped enough people just for their manner of driving only to discover they weren't insured to drive the car, or there's no actual insurance policy covering that car at all. A colleague of mine recently stopped someone for driving erratically and it transpires he was wanted for a serious sexual offence. Ultimately they didn't do anything "illegal" here. My only criticism is that if it were me and I'd stopped the vehicle for whatever reason, i wouldn't necessarily have stopped it at that location.
No. Be honest. The male officer pulled them because he's training the female copper and with learners there's umpteen extra things to check. Is learner 17, have a provisional, is instructor over 21, had licence for 3 years, is it insured for learners, when does instructor badge expire etc etc. The bit when he asks these two lovely ladies "have either of you been in trouble with the police before" was the cherry on the cake. He pulled them over and wasted their time to teach the next generation of filth how to do a 21-point fishing exercise.
@@thefiestaguy8831be honest, sir.
@@frankyblue10 I have been.
@@thefiestaguy8831yeah you're in the job.
Even your post is exactly the wrong attitude.
You really have lost all respect of the public.
Years gone by I respected the police , ive never been in trouble with the police ever.
However I have lost all respect for the police. They cause more problems than they are worth , two tier policing , nasty attitude to intimidate people, escalating situations that should be de escalated.
Your copsplaining only goes to show your lack of awareness to the problems.
Poor girl, well handled by you both
When they asked if either of you had ever been in trouble with the police it was like they were desperate to find something wrong. Like someone said to me once, people like the fire brigade but not the police because the fire brigade don't go looking for fires
It's the old saying of , there is no situation that can't be made worse, just by police showing up.
Aw I hate that she lost her confidence! It’s like being in the airport and knowing you’re good but still get nervous walking through security! Debbie handled very well for her student ❤ hope she got back in again to carry on lessons xx
Don't think they realise the impact they have on drivers when they pull them over! This seemed a complete waste of time and was intended to train the female officer.
And it cost the student money as the lesson was ended early. Not right.
@@fredfred2363 The car should have been branded up as a driving school car. If it was, this probably wouldn't have happened.
I literally couldn't believe this just happened to a Learner Driver with Instructor. Can I ask did you have one of those signs on the roof advertising Debbie? again so professionally handled and looking after your students especially when they are at their most vulnerable. Fantastic teacher.
She doesn’t have a roof box, just L plates on the car 😊
@@sophiephillips5510 arrrrr so had Debbie had an official sort of roof banner thingy they would have probably overlooked her.
UNNECESSARY STOP! Waste of tax payers money again 😢
@@earlebacciochi9796 Not sure how you concluded that. Police are salaried, i.e paid yearly, they aren't paid per "job" they deal with, so had they driven past and not stopped her they'd still be paid... thus stopping her cost the taxpayer nothing extra.
No roof box, but it’s branded with Go Debbie go stickers, a permanent Warning sudden braking sticker on the rear. 😀
such a unnecessary stop , they had a boring day so decided to scare a young learner and make her panic for no abolsute reason , police just hire anyone lmao
You have to be at least 21 to teach someone to drive in the UK so while driving past at a glance the police didnt think the teacher was at least 21 they had every right to pull them over and check.
Boring? Fact they stopped someone else so quickly suggests they are training, you can debate the merits of this approach...
I know no wonder burglars get away with crimes to busy stopping learners on the roads plus they should go after experience driver's that drive like idiots not learners
Got stopepd on foot many times. On one occasion , walking home at night, streets empty , heard a car approaching from behind, looked around , was a police car. Contiunued on my way home. When I was about to enter my stair, heard tyres screeching behind me, door slam, police man runs at me, then the car takes of at speed, tyres screeching as it stops infront of me, the other policeman man ran out and ran at me
They then said that when they saw me look around earlier on it was suspicious, they expected me to run, but I didn't . When they reaslied the stair is where I lived, they pounced on me.
I had done nothing wrong. The cops clearly have boring jobs and need excitement.
@DarcieGirl6 bully 🐶
Even though this was scary both you and Hannah dealt with this so well. I Remember on my lessons, pulling up to an RTC and no one was around, I was a qualified first aider at my work so my instructor was saying to me do you mind if we stop. I just went into auto mode giving first aid to both the drivers involved until the police and ambulances arrived.
??? Why was is scary?
They were just stopped by the police!
If someone is so sensitive they should not drive
What happened to resilience.
It's pathetic.
Waiting for the snowflakes to reply!
@@nearlyretired7005
Sound like you’re the snowflake old chap.
You seem pretty easily offended by someone’s opinion, and taking to the comments section to rant about it.
Get yourself out in the sun and melt.
@@nearlyretired7005 Resilience is built over time, with experience. She was 17 years old therefore lacking in experience. If someone is learning to drive there can be no accumulation of driving experience which explains any sensitivity to such things. Some who is 'nearlyretired' should have the logic and rationality to work that out.
What a kind a lovely woman you are Debbie. Students are so lucky to have you.
Fantastic instructor! Going to ask my police driving contact about the stop for their opinion!
They should show this whole sequence of videos in police training. This is a perfect example of the effect police have on people’s everyday lives.
In my opinion, this will have impacted the learners confidence significantly.
Shameful behaviour, particularly the male copper. Hand your badge in mate. Sure, you’re here to identify crimes, but until you discover a crime, you should be as nice as a greengrocer.
So police can't go about their job and pull people over for fear they might "ruin their confidence"?
Whatever next? Police can't arrest people.
How do you think this learner is going to cope with a tailgating driver, or an aggressive driver beeping their horn and flashing their lights, or swerving around her as some aggresive drivers do?
@@thefiestaguy8831 They need grounds to arrest you. You may not know this, but the police if they stop a pedestrain for example are not entitled to their name and address unless they suspect you of having commited a crime, sorry to burst your bubble.
@@DemiGod.. I'm fully aware of that. And I didn't say otherwise.... like I said I serve in a UK police service....
UK Road traffic act legislation is different in that if stopped an officer can require you to provide your name and date of birth. Same as driving license and insurance (if you have your license with you - as carrying it isn't mandatory). That doesn't require you to have "committed a crime" in the same way that neither does a vehicle stop under Section 163 RTA 1988.
@@DemiGod..😂😂 this isn't America, the police can stop anyone and ask their name and address without any probable cause as its called in the states, same as stopping a vehicle don't need a reason. And if you refuse you can be arrested until the police ascertain who you are 🙄
@@thefiestaguy8831
I have no issues with the police pulling someone over.
It’s the attitude of the male officer the bothers me.
..and clearly within 10 seconds of the stop, it would be clear that their reason for stopping (the supervising driver looked too young) was not actually an issue.
They should have said “no problem, our mistake. Nothing about your diving was a problem. Keep up the good work and good luck with your test”
But clearly the officer went to the same charm school as you. In other words, no charm, and no school.
That’s so cruel of them to pull you over and go through all that for no reason, they could’ve checked your ages and be done with it. No apology either. Clearly a bit bored and the officer needed training. Really felt for her when you asked if she needs to pull over 😢
Why would they apologise, they didn't do anything they aren't allowed to do?
This notion of expecting an apology when you haven't done anything wrong is ridiculous. There's a legal power to stop ANY mechanically propelled vehicle being driven on a public road. No reason is required to stop said vehicle.
Definitely don't need "training" just people picking holes because it's a "learner". Guarantee you if she had a headboard on her car (like most driving instructors do) they'd never have stopped her.
Had they stopped joe average who's held a license for 2 years, in his own car, nobody would bat an eyelid or say a word... but because it's a "learner" everyone's "up in arms" about it. How ridiculous....what's so special about a learner driver that means they are exempt from the road traffic act?
@@thefiestaguy8831 alright calm down. You commented saying similar to someone else on here 7 months ago and now you’re back? 😆
Helps if people don't write nonsense.
Do you go to work and apologise when you've literally done nothing wrong?
Do you go to work and get slandered by everyone for doing what you are paid to do?
You write comment criticising the officers without the first clue about how any of it works. Are you aware that if the officers don't do their jobs correctly, and that involves doing those said checks, and something occurs later on, they are held accountable and may lose their job?
Doesn't help the instructor's car doesn't have a headboard on it, it's literally just a car displaying "L plates". To ANY officer that would look like a normal car owned by a learner, not a driving instructor's car.
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@@thefiestaguy8831 Out of curiosity, how DOES leather taste?
@@incognaytopotaytohe's obviously a very angry copper that can't control himself , he is constantly spamming posts with how he is a cop so he should know attitude. The same attitude they have when they make bad mistakes or turn a blind eye to other corrupt officers.
They just aren't worth taxpayers money anymore
The police vans positioning was extremely poor. Put everyone at risk there.. why would you pull a learner vehicle?!
I was just thinking this. Very strange event. The police van was causing a totally unnecessary obstruction there with very poor positioning, to pull a learner car over. Very odd
It was totally unnecessary for the police to stop them. The instructor would have had her DSA Instructors License in the Windscreen and probably advertising her driving school on the car. All questions should have been directed towards the instructor, not the pupil. Also did I hear correctly the male officer telling them how to move off safely, if so how dare he, the instructor is more qualified than they are. They should be looking out for and stopping drivers on mobile phones, no seatbelts, no insurance, mot, etc. Had they even considered that the pupil could have been on her driving test.
After watching all three parts, the officers asked stupid questions. Firstly, the instructor would have checked the pupils licence before giving any lessons. The instructor would not be issued with a DSA Licence to instruct without being old enough and the correct driving licence, total bang out off order.
The one thing I was a little worried about was that she had no idea that a DVSA badge even existed. It wasn’t until I mentioned it to her that she asked to see. The male officer should’ve perhaps mentioned it to her prior to stopping us.
Give it a rest. A driving instructor is hardly more qualified than a police driver.
A "Driving instructor" would probably shit their pants at the speed that trained police drivers regularly drive it, comfortably and in control.
They're qualified to teach - yes.
When was the last time you heard of a driving instructor doing a 21 day course, driving a vehicle at extremely high speeds on extremely challenging roads, at the mercy of the public who sometimes do very daft things, whereby they can be booted off the course and fail it at ANY time, not just the final assessment, AND booted off of it for any driving criticism?
Whilst getting an ADI might take longer the actual driving is a lot slower paced and there's no "fast time" decision making, the car control concept is nowhere near the same as it would be for police drivers. How many ADI's have heard of or utilise "Roadcraft" techniques in their driving?
@@thefiestaguy8831 First of all Driving Instructors don’t Teach, they are not Teachers. Second not all Police Officers do a 21 day Course, driving at high speed, that is only for Pursuit Driver Training, for Road Traffic Police and some Police Instructors are Civilian Instructors and Yes I have heard of “Roadcraft,” read it and utilise it when I drive and when I was an ADI.
Could I ask what driver qualifications you have and tests passed?
One part is correct - not all police drivers do a 21 day course.
Other part isn't. Standard response course is 20 days and involves driving at high speeds. 140mph on the motorway in lane 3, for a period of around 45 minutes. Up to typically 100mph on country roads where reasonably safe to do so. ALL of which is done in an UNMARKED car, for the first week generally the exemptions are utilised with no warning equipment activated. There is also a 1 day familiarisation driving in a response mode in a van, typically this is either a station van (Ford transit custom) or a Minibus, essentially a ford transit with more seats in it.
Not sure where you got the impression that only "police pursuit drivers" (I believe you are referring to "Advanced" drivers and not drivers with IPP who also CAN pursue) are the only ones that have been on a near enough 3 week long course.
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@@thefiestaguy8831what a nasty police attitude, you earn the hate daily. It will come a day where the public will just walk by and not help police if they get into trouble.
No point in phoning them now for anything.
As the saying goes , there is no situation that can't be made worse just by police turning up.
They could make a wake turn into a riot just by their attitudes..
Legally, the police are meant to notify you the reason for the stop.
Random police stops are still not legal in this country as they are in others.
Same goes for stop and search rule.
Unfortunately this is wrong. The Police do not need any reason for stopping you. Section 163 details what the driver of a vehicle is expected to do if stopped by a police officer in uniform when they are driving.
They did give the reason - that she looked too young
Unless you have committed a moving offence or there is a marker on the car they should not have stopped you on such a busy road they could easily have stopped you in the lay by you did use to change over. Well done Debbie for taking over. At least they were polite but their reason for the pull was pathetic.
Be quiet @@ronniebrown6225
One of the very worst police stops EVER.
They have literally taken the piss.
They really do earn the hate everyday.
This was definitely her first week on the job , and they effectively used innocent people as her test.
I hated everything about this stop.
They know full well its a learner driver with a teacher , so why pick on them.
Surely they understand what an effect it will have on a learner driver.
Genuinely sounded like the male police officer was using the stop mainly to teach the female officer what to look for. She’s possibly being trained herself or new to the job.
That's exactly what I thought
It feels like going through security at the airport 😅
Yes exactly! They are literally useless!
I know this is like a year old but you both handled that brilliantly.
Maybe the cop was training i dont know but I hope she did pass and this didn't stop her.
Honestly I would cry the same!!! its just so out of the blue and the officer was sooo stern for no reason!! off putting for students
Totally bizarre. Handled very well by the both of you.
The police have dropped to this level now.
OMG poor girls I can imagine how upsetting that can be, ( set me off ) well done Debbie well handled and great decision to swap top marks x
So, not that anyone should be debating it, but it is worth pointing out:
The stop is lawful (Road Traffic Act 1988 - Part VII - Power of Constables and other authorised persons):
163 & 164
Power to Stop Vehicles
"A person driving a motor vehicle on a road must stop the vehicle on being required to do so by a constable in uniform."
Power of constables to require production of driving licence and in certain cases statement of date of birth
Any of the following persons-
(a)a person driving a motor vehicle on a road, - - - - This covers the Driver
(d)a person-
(i)who supervises the holder of a provisional licence while the holder is driving a motor vehicle on a road - - - - This covers the Instructor.
Is it, however, likely performed as a training exercise for the apparently new traffic officer (The lady officer, present in Clip 2 also, where she has a number of concepts explained to her, such as the reading of the insurance and license details and the correct interpretation of them)? Almost certainly. 0:52 "[Here's what you do after this in a stop]"
The reason this stop was done? It's easy bait for the training of the new officer.
Whether, if i had any influence over the training of police forces, that I would advocate using the General public as 'experiments' or not is up for debate due to pros and cons, but I will focus on the cons, because it has a couple of obvious flaws.
1. If it's done for training, you're going to pull over 'Law abiding citizens' because they're predictable, and probably have everything in order, so you will target professionals because they carry few risks. I.e. Are you going to risk having 'the unknown' creep up on you - someone in a car suspected of trafficking drugs with potential to pull a knife, for example? Probably not.
So you'll hit the easy targets because it's unlikely anything will go massively awry and you are already expecting everything to be correct, which makes life easy and you can show your trainee "This is what it should look like".
2. If it's done for training, why due to the notation of the above, could you not just use ACTUAL examples in a fixed training setting (and then it'll get into arguments about budget and time and resource and all of the rest of it) but the simple answer is this:
What has she learnt here that she couldn't have learnt in a controlled environment?
Again, it's a perfectly legal stop.
It doesn't stop it however being a colossal waste of everyone's time, bar perhaps the trainee (both Debbie's Trainee, and the female officer) who get to learn how these interactions go down.
Just seems like a bigger question is to why on the job training is executed in such a manner.
Have you done the job before?
I am serving in a different area to where this video was recorded.
Doing things "in training" are VERY different to doing things out in public. In the training "scenarios" you stop a car in a private car park doing about 5mph, driven by a police officer (police trainer) who is FULLY AWARE you are stood there and isn't going to run you over. On real roads you might be expected to stop a car doing 30-40mph, potentially stopping a drugged up driver, drunk driver or a driver who's as blind as a bat and shouldn't be driving, or one who might try and run you down intentionally. VERY different scenario and you can't realistically compare the two in this context.
Stop and search training scenarios - again, a police trainer playing the role of a "stooge". You know full well they aren't going to cave your head in the first chance they get, you know they haven't got an actual knife they are going to pull out and slash you with. Compare that to on the street where you are stopping people who might well try and seriously harm you at the first opportunity they get, or the moment you let your guard down or are in a vulnerable position, such as searching someone.... again they're extremely different.
The only way you really learn is by actually doing it out in public.
Can you imagine being at a party and when someone asks you what you do for a job, you say you're a police officer. And at that moment, the copper knows all respect for them has gone.
I got followed and stopped by the police once. I think the officer was a bit shocked that I jumped out and ran to him still seated and gave him my licence before he could ask. Totally put him on the back foot, I think he knew his suspicions were probably wrong at that point.
Consider it as a learning point you never thought you’d have… and should never have had, poor performance in many ways from the police but excellent client centred teaching from the instructor
Police officer driving the van should have stayed behind the learner Vehicle. Well done Hannah for remaining calm and composed during the stop and excellent driving instructor pulling over at the earliest point to take back control of the vehicle. Female police officer seemed really pleasant, not so much the male officer. Any time I’ve been pulled by the police over the years I know everything is in order so just end up generally having a laugh with them, after all they are just doing their jobs. Only ever had one rude traffic cop when I was lorry driving so he got a rude attitude in return. Generally speaking though most officers are pleasant and polite unless you’re kicking off at them.
1:59 agreed… I think she’s a newer officer and needs to do certain tasks to complete training. It did seem like other officer was talking her through the interaction.
Even if you have been in trouble with police you are allowed to learn to drive.
Yes, that question was irrelevant. He was out of order.
Dealt with so well and very likely right , training . Like everyone comes equipped with necessary experience .👍👏👏👏
Why did they pull in front of a learner car 🤔 surely park behind them to protect them from traffic coming up behind them 🤦♂️
The poor student, bless her! Hope you’ve passed your test or go onto pass your test in the near future…”fuck the PO-lice” 😂
I would lodge a formal complaint against both officers.
Bless her 😢
You guys are so sweet x
bet he made your day saying you look under 21 ,well handled
Have they got nothing better to do than scare a young learner driver, well done to the young lady for keeping calm in front of the police, Debbie how dare you look so, that might be an offence. 😂😂😂
I don't understand why people think police should see someone driving that looks too young and not check. Sometimes the person is too young or uninsured. Imagine if there was an accident and you heard the police had spotted the driver who seemed too young, not in a driving instructor car, but done nothing. I'd rather the police checked and found no problem than "hoped for the best". If people thought there was a higher chance of being stopped then there would be fewer unroadworthy vehicles, fewer driving without insurance or under the influence and less dangerous driving. Surely all good things.
So nice both of you considering the ammount youve probably paid for that lesson
Hello I’d like to report my van being Brocken into “ sorry we haven’t got time to come out to you , we are currently blocking the road with our big van and having a laugh and a joke
Well done them police
I hope this was reported. If Hannah was correct and it was a training stop, they should not have done it on a learner driver, in fact, I think it's criminal that they do these training stops on the general public.
- The stop was conducted in an unsafe place.
- They did not give a clear statement as to why the stop took place and their reasoning.
- They asked unnecessary questions, unrelated to the stop.
- Most if not all of the required information would have been on the police computer in the van.
As somebody who works in the Private Security Industry and who has liaisoned with the police on numerous occasions. I feel I can safely say this stop is one of the worst I have ever seen and was potentially unlawful. The standards need to be raised.
Appalling, you took the stop in far better humour than i would have.... but we all have to be polite or we get arrested. I'm appalled they chose to pull a learner. I have the same worry with my Son, i'm teaching him to drive and he has his Manual car test in about an hour. He already has a full license to drive an automatic car but even with all documentation in place i worry every time we pass a police car.
I was stopped years ago on a clearly unwarranted stop, apparently moving off one road into another I crossed a "white line", of course I did, the road i moved into had a white bloody line. I was short and grouchy with the f££kwit, but not abusive, and he actually had the nerve to ask me why I was pissed off at the stop. ------So I told him ---- well, he asked............
Make a complaint. They need their ar**s kicking. Dangerous place to have stopped you as well
You need to read up on the law, section 164 of the Road Traffic Act 1988.
@@steve3291 I suggest you take a trip to Specsavers before it's too late for you!
When you have done nothing wrong, even for a mature person, this would be upsetting.
I think an apology is due.
Professional standards should see this.
For what? they did nothing illegal at all. Would be another wasted complaint to professional standards unit and result in "no case to answer". Half the complaints the police get are utter nonsense.
I was stopped years ago when I was seventeen, and driving around a small Scottish town.
This was decades before cameras were a thing. He said one of my brake lights were flickering.
I replied, there's nothing wrong with my lights, why did you really stop me?
His response was, " Because I didn't know your face, and I wanted to know why you were driving around OUR town".
I hope those 2 police officers watch these videos and learn from dealing with a real professional driving instructor.
Have either of you been in trouble with the police before ???? What does that mean you can never drive ever then
i would defo cry too
I know a guy who was stopped on test for speeding and prosecuted. The examiner kept saying slow down Mr XXXX
And this is the fault of the police?
@@DemiGod.. Not at all we both thought it hilarious.. He turned out of a side road a Jaguar came over the hill and candidate thought accelerate and not get hit. Jag turned into the side road
Idc about training tell them what they need to do and make sure they learn it that’s crazy. I’d be so upset
They were lucky the cops didn't apply the stop and strip search law. They can do this if they suspect contraband is being secreted.
They will give any excuse to justify the stop. If the reason was they thought you looked too young then surely after approaching the car they can see your of legal age. They were fishing for anything and there was no reason to. Really sad to see.
police officers need funding for proper training 😂 they have no idea what to do. when a crime doesn't happen and when a crime actually happens they panic and call a whole squad full of idiots to help them
Pulling a learner for a a training exercise is shoking. Must admit just seeing the police when I’m in the car I feel guilty about something even though I know I’m fine lol
Knowing how vindictive they can be, it's never a pleasure, at least now with documents like MOT tax and insurance logged, they don't do so many speculative stops. At odd hours they can pull you over just because they're bored.
The fed definitely thought she was fit and just wanted to pull her over to swing his authority around.
Never thank a criminal
Seemed to me the female officer was in training, I wouldn't have a problem with being stopped under them circumstances..
The student needn't have been worried, even if something was wrong, the instructor would be in trouble not her.
Only up to a point. The learner is still responsible for their actions behind the wheel, and if there was anything wrong with her driving, she would have got points on her provisional licence.
@@davidmcconaghy5745 I was always told that the instructor is responsible for everything.
The police should be fuckin ashamed!!!
NEED TO BE INVESTIGATING THE GROOMING GANGS NOT PULLING OVER YOUNG LERNER DRIVERS !!!!!!
Stupid place to stop them, causing everyone else on the road to pass in that awkward place
Is this what the taxpayers are paying for and the most stupid question of this traffic stop is after doing their checks asked if any of them have been in trouble with the police before …that’s not part of a traffic stop
Awful place to stop you , hope she is ok ! Shame Totton police don’t follow up burglaries or illegal parking 😮
Police don't enforce parking usually - down to council. Where I police we certainly don't (I'm in a London force).
And yes, we do attend burglaries, ALL of them where the occupier actually wants us to attend.
Well if a car hit he learner they would just say it was her fault as they did for stopping them.
Proper fishing expedition that
Send this footage to the local police and file a complaint along with it
Complaint for what?
You need to read up on the law, section 164 of the Road Traffic Act 1988.
@@steve3291 have done. Studied law formally. Nothing here goes against S164.
@@CymruEmergencyResponder This wasn't for you, the original commenter needs to look at the law. Always interesting to see people who comment on things like this where they don't actually know the law which is readily available on-line.
Why complain? You'll phone them to report your house being burgled and they'll be too busy following up spurious complaints from time-wasters.
Two young women alone in a car. Prime target for plod.
Should never fully wind down ur window to police for your own safety
That’s are police then they wonder why some people don’t give them the time of day.
Poor girl haven't the police 🚨 got better things to do like catching actual criminals.
Are they going to refund you for the time you lost on the driving lesson.
If you've done nothing wrong, there's no need to panic. I've been stopped by the police before, did nothing wrong, i was on my way. No need to panick or act suspicious and im black 😂😂😂
I hope these so called police officers were reprimanded. Such a dangerous and irresponsible action from the police to pull over young a learner driver.
You wonder why people have no respect for the police these days.
Reprimanded for conducting a perfectly legal stop on a car displaying "L plates" without a headboard?
Say what you like... I guarantee had the car displayed a headboard clearly showing it was a driving instructor's car they'd not have bothered. This is literally NO different to me or you teaching our son/daughter to drive and putting "L plates" on our personal cars and getting stopped. How are they to know she is an ADI? The car just displays L plates, there's no headboard.
@@thefiestaguy8831 What was the offence?
What makes you think they need an offence to stop a vehicle?@@bunchlead
@@thefiestaguy8831 Well done, you’ve worked it out, it should not have happened in the first place. Pedantic micky taking at its best.
This stop is akin to pulling over an ambulance for nothing.
Give your head a wobble.
Common sense has gone!
even after they couldnt find anything wrong he had to give advice to you to warn your learner when pulling out, ffs you are a driving instructor.
Pretty shocking from the police
The officers made a mistake in pulling you over. It’s alright to make a mistake but the roadside audit of your insurance, registration, tax and MOT as a transparent attempt to justify their mistake was rude and unnecessary - especially when those issues were completely unrelated to their stated reason for the stop. I’m not as quick to criticize police online as some are but this was petty and embarrassing lol
You sound as if you don't know what you are talking about. "They made a mistake". They are literally allowed to stop any vehicle they like without reason. That doesn't make it a "mistake".
I guarantee you if this instructor had a headboard on her car they'd never have stopped her. To them this was just a "normal" car displaying L plates.
Seems mr plod , fiestaguy, has nothing better to do than commenting on nearly every post disagreeing with the stop 😂😂
Must have been driving on far right of the lane.
These two control power trip cop's had all the information on there computer, all so unnecessary.
Good call by the police. There are too many illegal instructors on the roads, ripping off pupils and doing us genuine instructors out of work. Good learning experience for the pupil even though she found it a bit challenging. Reasonably handled by both sides.
If she gives up driving , good call by the police - huh?
@@DemiGod.. If she gives up driving because she gets stopped by the police, then she shouldn't be on the road.
What would happen to her if she drove on a motorway, surrounded by massive lorries, would she panic then and cause a pileup?
As a police officer myself, who HAS been stopped myself probably close to 10 times (thanks to driving a lot at night and unsocial hours due to shift patterns) it really isn't a huge deal.
You seem to forget that she's learning to drive a 1-2 TON piece of metal on a public road, with other road users who's lives may be at risk. If she's liable to suddenly have a "panic attack" or her confidenced is "knocked" then is it really safe for her to be on the road?
He was pushing it.wouldnt of got away with that.
Absolute joke of a force, shocking policing
I've never watched any of your clips before but from my perspective, that stop was totally uncalled for. To pull over a young driver under tuition like that is just trying to cause an accident. I can remember I was pulled over for no reason and I was shaking. I'd been a driver for about 18 years and if I was shaken then I dread to think how that young lady you were teaching must have felt. You did brilliantly as an instructor - full respect to you.
I get stopped frequently. I'm a serving officer myself. Been doing the job not far off ten years. I've been driving for just over 10 years.
I don't complain - no point arguing, only takes longer, just let them do what they have to do and you're on your way. People think policing is an "easy" job and this is all you do. It really isn't. I've seen more dead bodies in a 1 month period than most people will ever see in their life.
Have you ever seen a 30 year old bloke, swinging from a fence with a noose around his neck having committed suicide? I have. I then had to search his soaking wet and cold body after he'd been cut down to ensure no foul play.
If people really want to complain about police stopping a car then I think there are bigger issues at hand. The officers were not rude and were complimentary. I suspect this is a new officer being taught how to conduct the respective checks. If they aren't allowed to stop a car to conduct said checks, how are they ever going to learn how to do them? There's many checks us police have to do when we stop vehicles (minimum of 3 really) and if we miss anything and something happens we could be held liable.
sometimes stop checks reval the most surprising things.
I was policing a festival a few years back, we were stopping random people and conducting name checks. One person tried to get into the festival.... unfortunately for him he got stopped and provided his name, forgetting that 12 months prior he had apparently "forgotten" to turn up to court when charged with driving offences. Ended up being arrested and put before the court the next day. Roadside stop checks are always worth doing.
@thefiestaguy8831 I understand where you yourself are coming from. I made the decision in my early 20s against joining the force as I'm not thick-skinned enough so I have no issues with them doing their jobs. My concern was that pulling a young or inexperienced driver clearly under tuition who seemed to do no wrong could have caused an accident as they are still learning the skills of managing a motor vehicle, the roads and everything else. In this instance they could have chosen a non-learner is more to my point, someone who already has the skills and therefore more able to adapt to that situation. Fortunately the instructor was experienced enough to take over the command of the vehicle.
@@acward2007 I'm not going to get personal and I respect opinions. Personally I feel that this is part of driving. If a learner can't for instance physically cope with being pulled over by police, then how are they going to cope when they pass their test, drive their car on their own 1 week after passing and come across an aggresive driver who tries to intimidate them? The amount of drivers i've had tailgate me for miles on end flashing, beeping and gesturing from their car behind when they want to overtake on a dangerous blind bend and can't do so, is frankly astonishing.
This is literally all part of driving, too many people are afraid of police when there's no reason to be. British police are some of the most approachable officers out there. Only the other day I was followed by a police vehicle for about 2 miles, suspecting I was about to be stopped, as it happened we both went to the same fuel garage, and as I paid for my fuel at the night pay till, I turned around to see the officer queuing to pay for fuel, I spoke to him and got a friendly response back.
When you see the standard of driving that i've seen, sometimes you start to wonder if some people are actually "cut out" for driving.
I've nearly been hit by a so called "private hire" (Uber) driver who turned right at a "no right turn" sign and drove past two NO ENTRY signs clearly visible and well lit, he proceeded to drive straight at me and it's only when I flashed and beeped him he drove onto the grass verge to avoid me.
This is supposedly a "professional driver" who is literally paid to drive people around for a living, yet he missed a "no right turn" sign AND two "no entry" signs. One has to ask where are the driving standards there? Incredibly low in my mind.
Fiesta......If you are a serving Officer all you need do is flash your warrant card. Traffic Division are probably the only Officers that will not immediately wave you on your way......they are known as "Black Rats" for a reason. 😂😂😂
@@thefiestaguy8831 How are they going to learn without stopping the public? Try roleplaying with another police car.
You were doing random name checks. Was under the impresion that nobody had to give their name to you unless you suspected them of a crime, did you tell them that or were you relying on public ignorance of the law?
Cops were ok EXCEPT for them pulling in front of you.
They should have stayed behind to shield you.
It’s so harsh that they did that to her. It was so unnecessary.
Dangerous parking that , not attending an incident 😡😡😡
What the actual F??
The scum was board so you got a pull 🤦♂️
Got nothing better to do, they have anpr so they know the instructor is cosher. O well at least the real criminals are safe from being nicked.
Omg poor girl x
Come on, you aren't 39. You must have forged your documentation ...added 20 years.
Awwww stawp. 🤣
@@godebbiego Maybe this experience has aged you enough for cops to believe you are over 21 in the future.
Btw, did you ever consider calling your channel Debbiedoesdriving?
A wast of time! Sort of although it looks like the female police officer was being trained as a lot of double checking was going on from the male officer. So in conclusion a L driver is perhaps a good person pull over as lots to look into especially the ADI also. No need to panic if innocent so why panic. Still i agree that it was unnecessary as the driver looked young because she was young.
😢 orwell
Its called Stockholm syndrome 😂😂😂
I don't understand why you were stopped in the first place. This is fueling mistrust of the police.
You see the police don’t do nothing harassing the public going on they own business and should be less police because they don’t do nothing
The police were awful just so petty and unnecessary