The New London Underground S stock is now in service!
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- Опубліковано 4 сер 2010
- A film about the London Underground S Stock trains which entered passenger service on Saturday 31st July 2010 - although these sequences were filmed on the Monday following.
The trains represent a step change in comfort and passenger amenity, but because of the reduction in seating compared to older trains their use on the outer suburban sections of the Metropolitan Line has not been universally welcomed.
Two most noticeable new features for London are that the trains are fully air-conditioned and designed so that people can walk through them from one end to the other end. Being new they also meet the highest standards of accessibility, and have built in CCTV camera systems. Very welcome is that the doors will automatically close after 45 seconds, keeping winter heat and summer cooling in the train. Passenger push-buttons are provided to re-open the doors
The ambiance is bright, there are large picture windows, and the quality of ride is simply superb.
Regarding the seating reduction, the older A stock trains seated about 450 passengers, whilst these seat little more than 300. The intended idea is maintain capacity by running them more frequently, but this requires signalling and track upgrades which are years away, and it should be noted that when Virgin tried this on the CrossCountry railway franchise it all came to tears - because the physical infrastructure (tracks, signalling) could not cope with the extra trains. The resulting cut-backs left some services worse off with overcrowded lower capacity trains struggling to cope with passenger numbers.
It should be noted however that these trains have more seats than the C and D stock trains used on the other subsurface lines.
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Below is the timetable information for the initial service these trains are operating - 3 return trips a day - Wembley Park - Harrow On The Hill - Watford and back, running fast between Wembley and Harrow, and 'slow' for the rest of the journey.
NB: no specific journeys are guaranteed to be operated, and at some stage this info will cease to be correct, but I do not know exactly when.
Train No. 402 402 402
Neasden Depot (F) 10 25 (empty) 12 53 (empty) 14 33 (empty)
Wembley Park (pfm 1) arr 10 31 (entrain) 12 59 (entrain) 14 39 (entrain) dep 10 33 13 03 14 41
FL FL FL (fast lines)
Harrow-on-the-Hill (pfm 3) 10c40½ 13b10½ 14 47½
LL LL LL (local lines)
Northwood 10 51½ 13 22 14 58½
Moor Park 10 54½ 13 25 15 01½
Watford South Junction 10/56½ 13/27 15/03½
Watford arr 11 02 13 32½ 15 10
Pfm No. 1 2 2
dep 11 08½ 13 38½ 15 18
Watford South Junction 11/13½ 13/43½ 15/23
Moor Park 11 15½ 13 45½ 15 25
Northwood 11 18½ 13 48½ 15 28
Harrow-on-the-Hill (pfm 6) 11 30 14 00 15 40
FL FL FL
Wembley Park (pfm 6) arr 11 35 (detrain) 14 05 (detrain) 15 45½ (detrain)
dep 11 37 (empty) 14 07 (empty) 15 47½ (empty)
Neasden Depot (N) 11 43 14 13 15 54
Bloody hell I remember watching this back in 2010 when I was a kid. Time has sure flown by. Weird to think the S stocks are 12 years old now!
nearly time for mid-life overhaul!
I totally agree with you, the quality of the ride is superb. I've been on the S stock twice now, and in my opinion, they are really great!
I like how you phrased that - "...being sent to the great siding in the sky".
thanks :-)
I really really like the London tube. During my last stay in July '09, I could figure out the difference with our French underground. In France, the seats are hard and uncomfortable. On the contrary, I could get across London seated on those comfortable seats. Brilliant.
I think these trains aged quite well ten years on.
Gosh, that long already?!
Those trains are 14 years old now.
your videos are truly the best on this whole site !
very informative i loved it & i love u
Didn't realise they were first in service on my birthday. Must be why I like them so much!!
went on it for the first time today. didnt even know they existed. loved it. such an improvement
If we have underground metro like this in Lagos Nigeria, will be a very good thing
Nigeria has much wealth from oil, it would be good to see some used to build a metro system which uses trains like this!
I got my first experience on an S Stock yesterday (10.11.11). I sat at Liverpool Street and waiting a while and much to my frustration, saw two on the opposite platforms heading Westbound. Eventually one turned up and although i only went to Aldgate i was impressed. There seems a lot more room in them and i stumbled slightly when boarding as I didnt anticipate them to be platform level. I expected a slight step up and wasnt paying attention. I like them.
Great video! I've learn't a lot about the 'S' stock thanks to you!
Hey +citytranaportinfo this has to be my favourite video you have ever done. I love the s stock and I'm a huge fan of trains like you. Great video, a big thumbs up from me!😊👍🏼
Thanks Rashi, I'm glad you liked it. There are lots of S stock trains now on the subsurface routes and had history been a little different they might also have been used on the Northern Heights parts of the Northern Line (Moorgate - Finsbury Park - Highgate High Level - Alexandra Palace / High Barnet / Edgware.
in 2010 there was only one train. Now in 2013 there are many of these trains!
1:29 that sounds so weird hearing the female “mind the gap between the train and the platform” compared to the male announcer now
The male one only appears on the Hammersmith, Circle and district lines
Ah that’s why. Thank you
@@Great_WesternTVFan and Metropolitan line too.
@@transportflick923 no
Lubdhak Das All S Stock trains have the male announcement. Stop talking crap.
@citytransportinfo your brave for taking a camera out to video the s-stock and everyone who watched this thanks you.
She's a real beauty! Great Video!!
Thank you very much! :)
this is a semi fast metropolitan, line tra---
In normal metropolitan line trains it goes to preston road and northwick park while fast and semi-fast skip them
Stand clear of the doors
Great Video thanks
very good video, well done mate
Good (and very thorough) "test drive". Liked.
Good looking trains! When I visit London again I will do a trip with these lovely trains!
The D stock came out at around the same time as the 507's on (London) Waterloo services and in a Modern Railways Magazine article about the two types of train they said that an air suspension system similar to that used on the 507's (which are a dc-only variant of the 313) was going to be used on the D stock but to reduce costs they decided to go for solid rubber instead.
excellent video
Man u gotta love the London Underground! Next time I will try to board these new trains when im visiting london next time :)
the amount of space is brilliant!
nice work mate looks cool
Excellent video! The train is actually one multi-articulated unit. Can hardly wait to ride on them on my next visit to London. It will be nice once the deep level lines follow suit with tube sized units.
Once again, it show how Britain once again can show its technical expertise with railways.
The country that invented the underground in 1963 still showing the way in 2013. The London Undeground is THE most amazing network in the world. I would love to explore the tunnels and the ghost stations. Makes me proud to be a Londoner even though I now live in Sydney
The London Underground is over 150 years old...
i enjoyed watching this video. Can't wait for the next time I'm in the UK, I'll visit London, and hopefully get to ride one of these. Also, one of the '09 Tubestock trains on the Victoria line!
My dad's blind friend who is also a train enthusiast says the first A stock trains started running on the Watford branch in 1959!
Thats good lighting on the side of the doors
Thanks for this clip! Next time I'm in London, I must take a ride. Surely those old A stock trains are slightly weathered by now... :)
Wow. It's hard to believe that this was seven years ago now, analogue was still around then!
LOL, yes seven years ago... seems far longer!
Analogue is good, if money was spent on improving image quality it would actually have the potential to be better than digital - for sound many people still prefer 'old fashioned' gramophone records because the total range is be better.
I LIKE THE A STOCK!!!THEY ARE AWSOME!!
I am now twice as old as I was when I posted this original comment. Goodness, children are dumb.
Thenks for video
"The great siding in the sky" - Brilliant :D
It feels weird looking back on this as these trains are beginning to show their age
Nice vidéo !
Good video. We have been lucky to have a closer look at the new stock at the Innotrans in Berlin and take a (long, long;-) ) walkthrough. Looking forward to a test ride in London in the next years:-)
Good driving
I LIKE THEM!!!!!!!!! ITS VERY CUTE!!!!!!!!!!!
a yes I see many other people filming, thanks for the Info,
Mark
On appréciera les passages d'intercirculation entre les voitures.
some people do not like it, because if there is a person on the train who they perceive as 'creepy' they cannot change to a different part of the train to get away from them
“The next station is: Harrow-on-the-Hill. This is a semi-fast Metropolitan line tra” LOL
I have been on the s stock train for a thousand times
I've been on it so many times that I have lost count!
It just so happens that by chance I encountered one of these trains on the district line when I visited south Kensington from Monument. I had no idea what this train was but I thought it was very impressive
@metrowake11 But when I travelled on the trains they travelled between Wembley Park and Watford. So, is there a mistake on Wikipedia - or has the servicfe pattern been changed?
I do recall very tight reversing times at Watford with the following service trains being held up waiting for the S stock train to vacate a platform by leaving Watford.
Simon
441 and 451 are close together, I went on both on 16th March. 451 does an Uxbridge train from Baker Street at 1410 approx. The numbers on Watford trains are 440 to 452 inclusive, so if 442 is first in, then you have just missed one. The watford service from baker street is every 10 mins off-peak.
@jimmyass thanks, pleased you found it to be of interest.
re: using a tripod on the underground, this is forbidden without a special permit and safety staff - and paying LU for these facilities.
Sometimes its not possible to move in closer. As for using the zoom too much, maybe, after filming I often wonder if I do. But then there have been times when I've regretted not using it.
Simon
I heard something similar about the Piccadilly Line trains as well. Indeed it is possible that since they share so much trackage (or at least, route milage) with the subsurface trains (District, Metropolitan) so they may end up being converted to automated operation and have their electrics modified to cope with the higher voltage that is planned for the subsurface lines (750v dc, but still 4 rail).
Its likely that the next 'tube' line to have new trains will be the Bakerloo Line.
A very good retake!
From Wikipedia: "At Wembley Park, the Metropolitan lines split from two tracks to four, with the faster lines on the outside. Fast services (to Amersham or Chesham) and semi-fast services (to Watford or Amersham) do not stop at Wembley Park, Preston Road or Northwick Park."
Nice vid
those "walk through carriages" would be so cool here for certain NYC subway lines - where you can walk through most of the 60-foot cars, but it is technically illegal and you can be given a citation for passing between cars, although you'll see people doing it all the time. I find it extra silly because on commuter railroads here, passing between cars through the end doors is accepted and sometimes necessary for short platforms like Forest Hills station in Queens.
Watford is the station I use because its literally right next to my school :333
I went on one of these yesterday. From Kings Cross to Aldgate. At Aldgate the doors got stuck and wouldn't open. After a couple of minuits, the driver managed to open the doors.
I love how it's at Wembley Park, and the doors are making that noise (football reference).
@Electrostar377
Thanks - teething issues, no doubt. Its why its best for the new trains to enter service on a quieter services where delays do not cause havoc. (and not in the rush hours!)
Simon
Love 'em
A stock is of course the last service stock with seperate deadmans and brake handle, hope a train gets preserved.
Nice
I always thought the "fast services" skipped those three stations while "semi-fast services" stopped at them. It seems I was wrong. According to Wikipedia both "fast" and "semi fast" trains seem to skip those stations. The weirdest thing is how the train he's travelling on in the video can be "semi fast" to Wembley Park when those trains normally skip that station?
@Coxyoo the loss of jobs depends on whether the trains retain someone on board to close the doors and initiate departure from stations.
As for reliability, when when things work well then the system is very good. But it is also very fragile and I agree with you when you suggest that when things do not go well then the service collapses and passengers become stranded.
Parts of the underground are in fact out n the open. Only the Waterloo &City and Victoria lines have all their stations underground.
The design of the train was based upon the existing London Overground stock, which I noted by the wide passenger gangways and ability to walk through the entire train without having to disembark at any point.
I do not recall the date but when the trains were going to be refurbished a few cars were done first and passengers asked to comment on their preferences.
The 'minor change' was preferred.
That photo shows the 'major change' which included replacing the bench seats with individual seats.
There was also a choice of liveries, and these will be seen in a different video later this year.
Simon
I've just traveled on the S Stock from Harrow-on-The-Hill a few hours ago, had to wait for the train to turn around at Watford as I've seen it in the oppisite direction at North Harrow as i've missed the other one going to Baker Street while I was on the A62 Stock to North Harrow, frastrating yes but I managed to get on it.
I must say these trains are superb and the A60/A62 will be missed.
My video will be uploaded shortly and another Tribute of the A60/A62.
@kaiyan246 Thanks. At present Metropolitan Main Line only. Not even south of Baker Street.
Eventually these wil be on all the subsurface lines which still use London Underground trains - Metropolitan, District, Circle and Hammersmith & City.
Of course the The East London Line is now served by Overground class 378 trains.
So you can walk right through like the Overground 378s, very good
@Coxyoo This is because of safety equipment which requires the front of the train to stop within a short distance (something like 0.5 metre) before the doors will open. I've seen it suggested that this is too short a distance.
@Coxyoo sounds like fun!!!
I saw two of these a few days ago but was at West Hampstead where they pass through without stopping; next time I'm on Central London I intend to aim for one of these...
I know that the train numbers are 441 and 451, I went on them a while back. I also logged down some times for the S Stock off peak diagrams:
1253 Baker Street to Watford (Train 441), alight at Northwood at approx 1325.
1334 Northwood to Baker Street (Train 451)
1414 Baker Street to Uxbridge (Train 451)
There was a time when both fast and semi-fast trains skipped Wembley Park but in recent years this changed so that all northbound trains stop there whilst southbound trains only sometimes go through without stopping. I think its only the am rush hour, but since I live a distance away so I am not normally around there to know for sure.
Arrgh! Kind of getting all nostalgic now. I like the old stock. Hurtling on a flyer from Wembley Park to Finchley Road you get bounced all over the place but it's fun! Otherwise I wondered why they never used BR's 313 stock on literally the whole line. Damn they have cloud-like floaty suspension!
Lets hope you don't get those graffiti 'window scratchers' tagging everywhere. Artistic spray painting one can tolerate, but window scratching hediots need a good kicking.
@HornbyLad1000
The reason I put in the still image comparision with the A stock train at Croxley station was not just to allow people to see the new and old trains 'side by side'. After all, it was a heavily cropped telephoto view from the far end of the platform - not a billiant photo by any stretch.
In the image the destination blind of the old train is easy to see, but what about the new train?
The 2009 stock is only used below ground, where sunlight never reaches.
Simon
sick room lol. Anyway the LU is the busiest rail lines in the country with trains a peak times more or less arriving seconds after another one has left. And building more lines they are but it's hard, have you seen a map of underground london? The best way forward is to make best use of what they have and that means the seat anyway they had that sort of seating for years.
Excellent - at last a proper "documentary" vid of the S Stock. Nicely done.
@multicartoon... what language is that? It looks like English but I can't understand what you are saying
fantastic video. In Toronto Canada we're supposed to get articulated cars like this... just hope the ride will be smoother. How did you find the ride on these trains?
I hear a train horn at midnight for the new year
@RewindMJ similar walk-through designs have been used in Asia for many decades. I've never heard of any dangers related to them.
I like to stand with my feet stradding the joins, or with one foot on each side... and then wait for the train to travel over sharp curves - been doing this on articulated trams (in Europe) since I was a child.
I agree, they should colour-code the poles with the colours of the lines. It's all going to be very confusing when the D stock finally goes...
In comparison I find that Delhi Metro is equally. Actually this front design has been adopted right from the beginning. Various other features shown in the clip are also there. Of course the only deterring feature is huge...immense crowd in Delhi. There is no possibility of vacant space even in the early or late hours. 1.8 millions travel by metro daily here in Delhi. Just wanted to tell. no puns intended. But my thanks for posting such a nice clip.
Never got to see the other boroughs unfortunately. Not sure when I'll be back over that way. Loved New York
nice
the floor lightning thing is already in the 2009 stock but lights up when closing doors.
nice vid! also what line this this anyway?
@Martello736 Thanks, but what do you mean by 'not discrete'?
Simon
@Martello736 Thanks for your explanation. Gosh I hope that we never have to think of bombs on our trains again! You have a point, although the greater risk is from fire spreading more easily along the train.
The past few days' I've been watching films I took in the late 1980's showing this type of 'walk through' train in Hong Kongand Singapore. Eventually some of them will be uplifted for others to see. The point is that this type of train configuration is not new - except here in London!
You must have never been on the subway in Montreal where it's clean and quiet and really well run.
When new, A stock trains featured an unpainted aluminium finish, but because of graffiti vandalism and that even when removed some unsightly staining remained visible, so it was decided that the should be painted in the then new ' white / red / blue' corporate livery.
At the same time they were refurbished and one prototype refurbishment included replacing the bench-type seating with 2+3 individual seats, as per the stil image also seen in the video. I hope this answers your question.
Simon
@captaincoolpants11 I think just three, and although they are now cleared for 'normal' services anywhere on the Met Main Line they still await the OK for services between Baker Street and Aldgate. This somewhat restricts their actual use.
@jimmyass
All subsurface trains are broadly similar in dimensions, both with each other and with mainline railway trains.
In due course it is intended that S stock trains will be used on all subsurface routes.
Simon
@ernestlmt I know right? I love it when trains "hum".
The gap is unavoidable when a long carriage arrives at a curved platform. That is the original design fault on the London Underground. Newer systems learned from London's experience and constructed their stations to be as straight as possible. I don't understand why there are STILL differences between train floor and platform level at many LU stations. You not only need to mind the gap, you also need to mind the step. That should have been corrected many decades ago.
While I'm in ranting mode, I wish to complain about the long-winded narration in the carriages concerning the route. "This is a Central Line service to Epping. The next stop is Holland Park". No-one needs to know the line or the terminus. The only necessary information is the next station. "Next stop: Holland Park". That's enough. For severe efficiency at in-car announcements, travel on the bi-lingual Helsinki Metro. For sheer pleasure at hearing repeated and long-winded announcements, travel underground in Prague.
I disagree. Sometimes it is useful to know the ultimate destination- for example to know f you are on the correct branch of the northern line. It can be useful to know which line you are on, just in case you have made a mistake or got on at a platform serving two or more lines (district, circle, hammersmith and city?) some of us make these journeys every day, and are not always paying as much attention as you train buffs for whom it is a treat!
@jimmyass Didabled areas are also meant for crush load standing passengers.
It's strange looking back on this a decade on with the S stock now having fully replaced the D stock.
the character of the system changed when the trains are replaced
Watford Station will be remembered. 😭
+TheRandomStuff not gone yet...
Watford won't miss it as they will have four new tube stations.
citytransportinfo not going until the 2020s.
Welp were in 2018 and apparently the croxley link has be cancelled but correct me if I'm wrong
@TheMysticEgg Thanks. I feel sure that they are built at Derby. These trains will be welcome on most of the subsurface routes - except services to Rickmansworth and north... the problem being the lack of seats.
Maybe the offiices used by TfL should have 50% of the seats removed, so that many of the people who work there have to stand for hours on end.
Love the front facing of the new S-stock train, but do not like the longitudinal, interior seating arrangement, even though it's designed to accommodate more passengers. Preferred is bench seating. By appearance the train appears to be smooth and quiet and the extended, uninterrupted interior viewing of train cars is definitely unique. Not from London, never been there, but thanks for the video, giving one an idea of the new train used in their rapid transit system. Much appreciated.....
@voltare2amstereo This is because of safety equipment which requires the front of the train to stop within a short distance (something like 0.5 metre) before the doors will open. I've seen it suggested that this is too short a distance.