Chad Daybell's Twisted Beliefs That Led to Murder: Reacting to 'Sins of Our Mother' Ep 2
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- In this gripping reaction video, we dive into Episode 2 of the true-crime documentary series "Sins of Our Mother." Join us as we unravel the chilling details of Chad Daybell's infamous zombie hitlist and explore how his and Lori Vallow's twisted religious beliefs led to unthinkable acts of violence. From prophetic visions to deadly consequences, we dissect the dark journey that turned faith into a tool for murder. Don't miss our in-depth analysis and discussion on this shocking case. Like, subscribe, and hit the notification bell to stay updated on our latest true-crime reactions and discussions!
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Chapters:
00:00:00 - Mysterious Events Outside the House
00:01:42 - The Sins of Our Mother: Part 2
00:03:26 - Contradicting Statements
00:05:16 - Strange Behavior and Unanswered Questions
00:07:04 - The Gadianton Robbers
00:08:55 - Manipulating Beliefs
00:10:50 - The Fear Tactics
00:12:37 - Categorizing Spirits and the Rise of Concern
00:14:29 - The Zombie Hit List
00:16:22 - The Mysterious Death of Tammy
00:18:17 - Prophecies and the End of the World
00:20:03 - The Overpowering Spiritual Boost
00:21:44 - Suspicious Behavior and Missing Children
00:23:36 - Lori's Deceptive Behavior
00:25:28 - Disturbing Discovery in Hawaii
00:27:25 - The Role of Chad in the Hit List
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There is a phone call between Charles Vallow and the life insurance company floating around the Internet. Lori had gotten someone (most likely Alex) to call the insurance company posing as Charles to put a password on the account so that Charles COULDN’T CHANGE his beneficiary. He spent an enormous amount of time trying to convince the insurance company that he was who he said he was, and that someone was making changes to his insurance behind his back. If you can find the clip, it’ll make your blood run cold. Poor Charles.
Fortunately, he was able to get it straightened out so Lori didn’t get to profit from his death.
Whoa 😮 Poor Charles!
Tammy was shot at with a paintball gun. She THOUGHT it was a paintball gun. But now we know it was an actual gun.
With a Scope, which she thought was the top of a paintball gun.
Most of us suspected right from the start. The fact is, she was assaulted by the man who supposedly loved her and was supposed to protect her. She even called out for him in fear ! 🙀
I can imagine that in rural Idaho the thought that someone would actually try to shoot her in front of her house was unfathomable to her.
There was a suggestion that Chad told her that it was a paintball gun. She first thought it was a real gun.
Yep, watched that whole dang trial. John Prior the defense attorney was hell bent on trying to convince the jury it was a paintball gun.
Honestly, if only 20k people out of 8 billion were zombies, it’s amazing that Chad and Lori even found ONE of them, let alone be related to FOUR of them!
And they were ALL related to them in some way! 😮😂 Wow! SMH
Exactly! 😂 Lori is beyond gullible to believe Chad's lies... can you imagine "high maintenance" Lori trecking through the jungles and deserts of the world 🌎 trying to find the 0.00025% of the population that are "zombies"? 🧟♂️
You should definitely interview Nate Eaton. He was the one who was trying to interview them in Hawaii. He’s followed from day one and he’s covered so much of this.
You might already have a guest in mind who knows a lot about this case, but I'd recommend Nate Eaton of "Eastern Idaho News", Lauren Matthias of "Hidden True Crime" and/or Linda from "It's a Crime". They are all very sharp and know every detail.
Lori's cousin Meegan would be good guest
Linda is too speculative
And Lawyer Lee.
@merricat3025 Megan is great too.
@whitney2042 Linda knows her stuff. She has like 150 videos about the case on her youtube channel. You'd have to point me to the specific video that you think is too speculative. We don't have to speculate much any more.
They were going to live together in HI and seemed to forget all about the zombies, 144k, ect. Total bs. I wish I could feel sorry for them, but I feel nothing but disgust for C&L.
Lori's comment of "Hi neighbor." should have been a good clue for the AZ LE to do a more thorough investigation.
The bullet mark in the floor should have been a clue. One of the exit wounds made an impression on the wood floor, meaning he had to be laying down when he was shot, which proves it was not self defense.
Chad was a murderer within his exalted bs. He was so arrogant and never asked for mercy, he didn't think the courtroom had the right to judge him and he didnt have to address them. It was so brutal.
Yikes. Not surprising, when he was trying to play God.
What I gleaned from this case after following this for a long time, was that Lori was constantly asking Chad about the kids' light/dark levels; to me in a way that showed she was really ready for the kids to be gone and was on the edge of her seat for when Chad finally gave the go ahead.
And for that reason she should get the DP too
@joannemcclellan4565 yup. I just wonder why she didn't just give JJ back to Kay, but maybe it was a pride/cruelty thing. Her own pride getting damaged by admitting she couldn't do it anymore, and cruelty in wanting to cause Kay pain. I guess her disorder could have influenced it a bit too, making a part of her really think the kids's spirit were gone, but you can create new neurological pathways in your brain from the choices you make.
@@jvinson4181because she would have lost that $4,000 a month that she got for JJ. It was all about money.
@brandyparker3987 oh of course, and so, so horrible. I feel like this point debunks that she did it because of her disorder like her sister is saying, I don't think money has anything to do with her disorder.
Most people were aware that Chad and Lori were married 2 weeks after Tammy died. They were not hiding their marriage. If it wasn’t for Kay demanding to see JJ, they may have gotten away with all of this!
Hi 👋 Just want to note that it was not a "paintball gun" used against Tammy. It was a gun owned by Alex. He'd taken that gun to practice places before that failed "hit."
Prior took the paintball scenario to the illogical scenario of Chad being the target. What? Alex attempted to shoot Chad with a paintball gun?
Nope. If Chad was the target - he wasn't - it was a real gun. It was a failed attempt to kill Tammy.
An AR-15
It’s so interesting to watch people discover the details of this crime for the first time. The jurors in Chad’s trial have given interviews in the past few days and they said a lot of the same things you did. They had to learn all the details of this complicated conspiracy in a few weeks!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have heard that for well known cases such as this one, they try to pick jurors who know little to nothing about the case in order to not already have perceived biases. That way, even for heinous crimes like this, there is a fair trial.
@@aznmochibunny You are right. Having watched several jurors give details of how they were appointed, there was no doubt that they didn't know about the case in advance. I came to the realisation that they were all shocked by what they subsequently learned. It will take time for healing to happen.
Having followed this convoluted story for the past 4 years I still learn new things. I didn’t realize that to be one of the 144k you couldn’t have minor children. A Chad revelation I believe, that conveniently helped him. It explains why the Melanies essentially gave up custody up their children and Mel P was on the verge of taking hers out.
I was drawn to watch the entire trial. What started as a desire to know more, ended in watching daily. Cults are dangerous, and Chad's cult was lethal.
His complete lack of emotions was staggering. I was reduced to tears at times, and I'm neither an American or an LDS member. I've been against the Death Penalty for years, but felt nothing when Chad was handed that sentence.
I just hope the LDS leaders tackle the major issues within their flock.
Expert: Lauren Mathias of Hidden True Crime
I second this comment!
ABSOLUTELY ❤ Check out Lauren&Dr. John on Hidden True Crime. They have coverage going back to 2020!!
Yes, Lauren and Dr. John from Hidden True crime are a great source, and also Gigi from Pretty Lies and Alibis.
I was about to say the same thing hidden true crime
Also, there are two former LDS ladies who live in Rexburg who have a great podcast: True Crime Squad. Excellent commentary. And Megan Conner, too.
I recommend the book "When the Moon Turns to Blood" written by Leah Sottille. Published in June 2022 before the trials, the book serves as an excellent prologue. Sottile also timelines the horrific events in 2019 and the ensuing investigation.
Sottile is a master of details. I re-listened to the book this past weekend after the guilty and death penalty verdicts in Chad's trial.
I’ve been waiting until the trials to read it because I didn’t like Doomsday Mom that much
If Lori wasn't happy with the ratings, she would wheedle a death rating out of Chad. JJ and Charles were rated light in the beginning but yay he changed the rating for Lori. And beautiful Tylee was finally at the end because she cleaned her room. I'm so angry at this whole tragedy. I'm so glad you stated she lied so flawlessly, to this day friends and family want to say this happened after meeting Chad, but I feel she had the trait throughout her lifetime.
I immediately went to Netflix and binged the show after watching your 1st episode about it. There are literally no adequate words to describe that horror. I'm glad you are covering it in your videos. I appreciate all of your videos.
@@Cult-Free_AngI wondered the same thing.
They thought the dark side people's souls were in limbo. Isn't that what Ruby Franke said about her kids in her journals?
Yes! Both from the same LDS/Mormon belief system.
We didn't know that about Ruby, though sadly we aren't surprised. So awful!
they were also huge fan of same book. I can't remember the title but it was about the close death experience and the bestseller in Mormon community.
All this stuff...Hildebrandt/Franke, Tim Ballard, Daybell, Julie Rowe, and more starts with a book called Visions of Glory. They were all using this sick book as a guide. This rot runs DEEP with many connections to many people.
If you guys connect with Lauren from hidden true crime, she could fill you in on all the gaps. Maybe do a combo show with Lauren. She can fill you in on the prepper community, the preparing a people group, and Julie Rowe. Julie Rowe has her own cult and spawned Chad and his cult. She is nuts, has broken up many families, and also talks about previous lives, and people being married in previous lives.
These light and dark concepts seem to be very prevalent in the prepper Mormon communities. And even with this case and the murders people still believe this stuff.
I'm glad Lori Daybell got life in prison and Chad Daybell got the death penalty
Lori still faces the death penalty in Arizona for the murder of her husband, Charles.
Her name is Vallow not Daybell.
@@user-yf6cd9bb8tWRONG, she dies NOT face the death penalty in Arizona, she was NOT charged with murder.
9:50 Religious manipulation perfectly described by Sam!
You summed it up in just a sentence so well! Thank you for your coverage and channel as always!! Appreciate you two, so much!! ❤❤
Lori DID think her children were okay because they were in "heaven" or whatever LDS calls it. They were happy, Kallie was free of pain, JJ was so busy and happy. Lori is mentally ill. Chad is just evil. Chad told Lori that he could "text" them and they and Alex were fine and happy. Religion plays WAY to big of a roll in most wars, family problems, and National Problems. The only good thing about religion is that it MAY give people dying some hope that there is something else for them to look forward to.
Religion can also inspire morals as well as give people a higher power to believe in, which is essential in addiction recovery.
Tylee was her name.
I would also recommend talking to Lauren Matthias and her husband Dr John who is a forensic psychologist. There podcast is Hidden True Crime. They have been covering this case since the beginning. They have interviewed so many people involved with the case. Lauren was in court everyday during both trials. Lori clearly is in this delusional state. Chad was the mastermind who manipulated her and anyone who would listen to him. It’s because of this case that I became so interested in the beliefs of the LDS and the FLDS. That’s how I found Mormon Stories Podcast then your channel and Cults to Consciousness. Just to learn the beliefs and how much of this was made up. Love your show! Happy that Sam was able to get away from Warren Jeffs and you guys found one another.even though the LDS church doesn’t sound too crazy I’m glad you still questioned things that didn’t add up. I was raised Catholic but I left the church after I got married. Looking back now I think it’s crazy that I believed some of the things I did! By the way Dr. John was in that documentary Sins of the Mother.
Why get new flip flops that morning. Did she have blood splatter on them.
Many people think that Tylee and JJ were killed is because they actually witnessed the murder of Charles. The only adult version of what happened came from Alex and Lori.
You should get the profiling evil guy as a colab! He’s been commentating the case that just closed last week with Chad Daybell (guilty, death sentence), and has also been appearing on Court TV. He’s perfect! You’ve already worked with him
That is who we got! Mike is such a great guy and agreed to fill us in on the case. We will be releasing his insight on the case next week! =)
@@GrowingUpinPolygamy Mike, yes! Yay!
I followed this case from the beginning. I'm glad you guys are talking about it and getting your perspective. Thank you!
Charles changed his life insurance because he and Lori were planning on divorcing. Lori did not want JJ, so Charles was going to raise JJ with the help of his sister Kay. That is why Charles changed the insurance to Kay.
Yeah. I’ve been following the case since the kids went missing. I also watched live when they found the kids bodies on Chad’s property.
It’s hard to imagine how anyone could have done what they did.
Yah, it is absolutely horrific.
This is exactly the type of channel I was looking for. Thank you for what you do!
Thank you so much! So glad you found us!
@GrowingUpinPolygamy I just really appreciate your points on how crazy it is that they were still pulling principles of the church and mixing it with absolute bizarre and horrible things. A lot of other channels I have watched kind of blame the church, claiming that it sets people up to be like this and have used this as an excuse to leave the church, which is very frustrating, so I really appreciated the points you made.
If the Arizona police would’ve taken notice to Charles (& that he had a video saying they were going to kill him) the rest of this wreck might’ve had a different ending. Shame on you Arizona police
We thought the same thing. Even if they had gone into a deeper investigation with Charles' death, they would have been able to prevent the many other murders. So sad.
Unfortunately, police are like any other organization- they get groupthink and functions they ignore but shouldn't.
It is NOT the job of the police to protect citizens from harm.
I so love and appreciate you guys! ❤ You feel like friends. God bless you and your family!
Thank you so much! We love and appreciate you as well!
You guys did great but have some things missing. But if you haven't followed the past 5 years, it would be confusing. You should ask Lauren Mathias from Hidden True Crime to come on and fill in the blanks. It's so crazy to me that people fall for these things. I love your channel, watch all but rarely comment.
Some of the things, they were married only 10 days after Tammys death, his kids met her right after the memorial😢, also the kids lives were taken in September of 19 so yeah that timeline was so fast.
I remember this too in 2020! My husband said to me there are these kids missing and they can’t get answers or find them. I just watched his trail and he got the DP. It’s such a sad case and so sad for his wife and those children! 😢 God rest their souls!
Julie Rowe being crazy is not subjective. She is insane. This is not a matter of opinion. There are videos of her snarling, growling, and foaming at the mouth before proceeding to spout of a mixture of scriptures and threats against people who dislike her. She filmed herself acting this way and posted it.
She also tried to disguise herself and sneak into the courtroom during Chad's trial. She was under subpoena so she was barred from hearing testimony, so she tried to sneak in and the bailiffs caught her and escorted her out of the building.
Julie Rowe needs to be incarcerated. She is evil and dangerous.
IMO, if Vallow would not have taken Lori off of his life insurance, the police would have dug deeper. It would have been automatic. That change made it easier to ignore all of the evidence, plentiful as it was.
I thought i was listening to JB on WFLA because your voice is identical to his!
My favorite UA-camrs.
Awwww thank you so much!
that's what happens when you don't know "The Walking Dead" is pretend
I wonder if there’s any connection between the last names Barlow (the common FLDS name) and Vallow. Last names and careful spelling and record keeping weren’t fully codified until somewhat recently. So I wonder if the Barlow and Vallow names came from the same family and just pronunciation differences led to a split. They sound so similar.
Thank you
Lori was just as responsible for the deaths. She should have the DP also.SMH
Later on the day that Charles Vallow was killed, Lori has a pool party in back of that house. 😕. True
Oh my giddy goodness this case really captivated me. This was also around the time that the mormon dentist killed his wife, and it got me soooo curious why it seems that there are a lot of mormons who just happen to commit murder...but I wasn't able to find a lot of information to back that up. Now it has me wondering that maybe it's not the amount, but the intricacy and elaborate-ness of the murders and that's what gains publicity thus making it seem like it happens a lot.
Yes, I have gone down the Vallow-Daybell rabbit hole! Also of note is the growth of these extreme prepper end of the world groups within the mainstream church. One thing that ties them together is that book "Visions of Glory" that almost seems to be like a scripture to some of them.
I am glad you covered this story. Your perspective is important. Have you thougt about a book reading of Julie Rowe's book Visions of Glory. I have heard a lot of the beliefs came from that book. Lori was reading it in Hi when she was served to produce the kids. Reach out to Nate I am sure he would love to know your insights. Was chad and Lori branching off to fundimental mormanism? What was thier plan.
…it is sad but true…
The Arizona police really dropped the ball on Charles' murder. It's as if the police gave Lori a 'pretty pass'. I mean, even after the ME found that his autopsy that he'd been shot in the chest at a downward angle, they didn't try to arrest Alex. I will always think that had the Arizona police actually investigated, Tylee, JJ and Tammy might still be alive today.
I think because Tylee corroborated the story. I think that was a big part of the reason why they took their word for it. I still wonder if Tylee truly saw what happened or if Lori told her what to say. But why would she go along with what Lori said?
Julie Rowe in bat sh!t crazy. Her TikToks are just her in her car making faces and hand signals. She just broke up with her last husband and was on there talking about how she can f anyone she wants now. She said on an interview the angels are telling her the kids were safe on a beach.
Yikes. Maybe we should look more into her and do a video on her as well?
yes! seriously you will not believe the crazy! i would also like to see her “charity” audited by the IRS! on a side note chad told julie, before he met lori, they were married in a past life.
It’s almost like she wanted to get caught by her behavior 😮
Visions of Glory...
Charles divorce lawyer advised him to change his life insurance policy. He should have tol Lori it would have removed a motive, imo. Also this group moved around a lot- it took law enforcement time to connect the dots although I believe they should have held Alex while they looked further into Charles death.
It’s just next level crazy isn’t it 🤦♀️
Leah Sotilie also wrote a great book in this
❤is there a documentary on Netflix? Before or after chad’s trial?
The dumb thing Charles did was not telling Lori he changed the policy. She might have killed him anyway but she might have decided not to.
My favorites too ❤
Thank you so much!
Did anyone else notice the text about Tammy turning into Viola was at 4:44am? That is Julie Rowe's and other "light workers" favorite number. Also, Julie Rowe has a fellow energy worker named "Elena". The name means "shining light" so that is probably why Chad picked it for his "goddess" even though that name wouldn't have been used in Jerusalem... I believe Chad is just a covert narcissist who is extremely jealous and insecure and will do whatever it takes to get what he wants...
I've been following this since it became public that the children were missing. That's the only reason I can still keep up with it, the story has so many tentacles and so many characters. I've even seen the police interviews. Lori was so chipper. It's so terribly sad that anyone tangled with these psychos.
Regarding the children, JJ was so loved, and his grandparents would have been happy to give him a loving home when Lori didn't want him anymore. The grandparents and their one surviving brother will forever grieve them. Tylee was going off to college, so she would also have been out of Lori and Chad's lives soon enough. Lori and Chad just delighted in controlling and killing people.
I'm curious who you will bring in next week. Lauren? She's been doing amazing work.
Yah, it is absolutely heartbreaking. They could have just sent the kids to so many people that loved and cared about them. We are bringing on Mike King from @profilingevil so stay tuned for that next weekend!
They took the childrens' money. It wasn't (just) about them being a nuisance to Lori and a Chad. Financial gain was a motive also.
@@TheMAmeph Maybe so. They certainly did realize financial gain.
Me, I think the children would have been killed just as ruthlessly if they had not been receiving Social Security benefits. Tylee's benefits would have stopped at age 18, I believe, so I don't see much financial incentive to murder her in particular. If you are evil enough to murder a child, you certainly don't mind stealing from Social Security, but I pause at the idea of "incentive" for murder. Maybe that money was just a happy but inconsequential bonus for the psychos.
But certainly they would rather murder their spouses than lose half of the estates to divorces. And there's the life insurance.
We have removed law and order from our society and our children are suffering.
Will Tim Ballard be next? He also used Visions of Glory as his scripture, as did Chad and Lori.
I always say and it is true, there are psychopaths among us.
I strongly suggest Lauren Mathias and her husband Dr. John Mathias with Hidden True Crime. Theyve been following this case from early 2020. Chad deemed Tammy, Tylee and JJ obstacles to he and Lori being together. Consequently the light/dark, zombies, their deaths and monies being collected. Of course Charles was an obstacle but he was willing to divorce Lori, maybe not on their timeline! Im not certain. And she wouldnt have received the $1M payout she expected! (Good job Charles!) Just a recommendation from all of the rabbit holes ive chased, lol!
…IT IS ALWAYS MONEY….
Or religion, or sex. Unfortunately this one contains all 3!
So great that the funds you raised will be spent on a mens room. There has been so much focus on the women who ran from te FLDS, while for the men and boys there has been little attention. They suffered too. Maybe not to the extent of the (young) girls, but they often were forced into slave labour at a young age, and if they were lucky they were forced into an arranged marriage. And if unlucky they were kept at labour camps forever, or just kicked out of the community, losing everything.
And with Sam being one of them, I think this project suits GUIP very well.
Can't wait to see it and hopefully hear some stories from men and boys.
Chad was the director of Charles's death.
If you guys need more for the dream center you might consider putting up an Amazon wish list.. we would all be thrilled to send the particular things you need.😘
Great idea! A wish list would help with expenses.
That is a great idea! We will reach out to our Dream Center rep and see if we can make that happen!
Didn’t Chad predict that the times were in July 2020?I think they thought they would be in heaven with her good friend Tammy, and the kids, who are hard working. Lori didn’t mention if Charles came to her, but we heard Chad got texts from Alex after he died…
Such a horrible tragedy.
The ones who were dark had insurance...think about it. Even the poor kids had their dad's SS.
Right! Each person murdered had an expected cash payoff. Charles had changed the beneficiary & Lori was pissed!! Tammy's coverage had just been increased & both children's SS payments were transferred by Lori to her bank account as soon ad they were killed. I wonder if Melanie's kids had some kind of insurance coverage?
They had different fathers
@@Ausgar-yc1yl Yes, but both kids were receiving SSI payments because their fathers were dead. I bet we'll never find out if Tylee's dad was murdered for insurance, as Lori expected to get Charles' insurance after her brother shot him dead.
Interview Lauren Matthias of Hidden True Crime. She is an expert on the Daybell case.
She’s also former LDS so her perspective is really helpful.
So did Chad and Lori identify we with the "Gadiantens"?
They should have...but it sounds like they believed they were getting "rid of" the Gadiantons with their hit list.
@@GrowingUpinPolygamy thank you for the information
Why didn’t Lori send Tylee to take JJ since she was so worried about getting JJ away.
I personally believe killing JJ was to get revenge on Kay Woodcock since Charles left his life insurance policy to her instead of Lori.
😱😥
It’s terrible that no one believed Charles, but I don’t really blame them. To an outsider, Charles sounds like the crazy one. At face value, it really does seem like a husband snapped, and a brother defended his sister. Domestic incidents are complicated. Who would have fathomed, at that time, that they were systematically exterminating anyone who threatened their little cult. Your brain doesn’t go there naturally, it’s too bizarre.
I do think they failed at properly investigating Tammy’s death, though.
I get not believe him at first, but after he died, they did nothing. Her brother even called the police with his concerns about Charles' death. They ignored it.
Even in prison Lori is the same.
Lori changes husbands like some people change their underweae
I don't care if it's a religious belief, those murders are horrific and they need to be put in prison for life, at least.
Alex married zulima
Doesn't the founding of the LDS church have a very sketchy foundation? I think if the members of the LDS really looked into the founding they would run away in the opposite direction. If the root is bad the whole tree is bad. Chad had visions, Julie Rowe had visions and made their own religion just like Joseph Smith did. That's what you get when you follow a man made religion. I hope you two investigate and get to the very root of the problem.
Do you guys never felt weird a married guy was taking money from his 15 year old sister? Almost 6000 or so in total. If I felt my sister is being weird texting I would be at her house.
Chad directed Alex’s suicide
Chad was sentenced to death last Saturday!
Chad got the death penality because he wasthe mastermind and participated in the murders.
I worked with the police for nearly two decades. They saw a perky hot blonde ... that's all they needed.
These two are the ones possesed by the evil one.
The LDS does have a lot to answer for where is Jesus in your religion so self serving BLOCK BLOCK SND GOD HELP YOU ALL
You’re the cause of the problem
Have you actually watch the whole trial ? Or just the nexflix doco .
They said in the video they are only basing this on the doc