Exposing the Daybell Case: Expert Insights on Cults and Crimes with Mike King
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- Join us as we delve deep into the chilling case of Chad and Lori Daybell, guided by an expert renowned for taking down cult leaders. In this video, we uncover the shocking truths behind their actions, exploring the intricate web of manipulation, deceit, and tragedy. Our guest expert provides unique insights into the psychology of cult leaders, the warning signs to watch for, and the impact of their crimes on victims and communities. Don't miss this comprehensive analysis of one of the most disturbing criminal cases in recent history. Subscribe for more in-depth investigations and expert commentary on the world's most notorious cults and criminal masterminds.
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I can somewhat understand Chad's children not wanting to put blame on their father, but there is NO excuse/reason for the way they denigrated their mother for Chad's guilty self.
Agree
Agree as well and the fact that they were willing to commit perjury on behalf of their father and denigrate their mother leaves them without excuse. Their lack of emotion leads me to believe that they did it for the insurance money Chad bestowed on them. They may have to give it back since old dad was found guilty.
IMO, Emma and Garth Daybell were raised to believe their father was a visionary and the authority of that family. So, he is to blame for calling them to testify. He is too much of a coward to take the stand, and apparently coached them on their statements.
52:43 As someone who testified in a federal murder trial, who has watched media and individuals alike judge and make assumptions about me and my life, hearing someone ask people to consider the impact of their judgements is incredibly powerful. Thanks, all three of you, for keeping this request in the video.
*****Chad was not excommunicated until the children were found in his backyard!!!
Yep! From the big cult. And it is one. Hundreds of billions of dollars being kept to use to push a Mormon Nationalist agenda that is very real.
LE was definitely hampered by the law when Charles called them about Lori, but they completely dropped the legal ball when it came to them not doing a thorough investigation into Charles' murder.
I also found it extraordinary that a younger woman like Tammy died unexpectedly and there was no legal requirement for an autopsy.
I live in the UK and all unexpected deaths eg no recent relevant medical history, no recent contact with a medical doctor would require an autopsy (regardless of age).
@@debbieshrubb1222the town there is almost all LDS. Chad had power in the local ‘church’ so the women just accepted his statements.
Chad, Lori and their group were practicing LDS. I think Chad was executive secretary in his ward up until his arrest I believe.
What the LDS church leaders have failed to do is speak out about the extreme prepper beliefs, NDE's and visions many of this group claim to have.
Or to call out the book, “Visions of Glory”.
This is interesting to me. One would think they'd want to create a GREAT distance, bc this all isn't looking good. 😮😮
@@BobbiGail I wonder if there are so many people in wards and stakes especially in Utah and Idaho that subscribe to prepper/end of times ideology like this, that the leaders fear major schism by openly challenging it?
I also wonder how many top leaders also hold some of these extreme beliefs?
Russell M Ballard for example was a supporter of Tim Ballard who believed he had received visions and prophetic dreams.
Chad Daybell charged with murder (among other things) not because there is direct evidence that he killed anyone himself but because he was the mastermind behind the killings.
Dr John Matthias likens it to Charles Manson who didn't carry out the murders himself but incited his followers to murder.
Odd. I just read an interesting article about the church speaking out about this kind of thing a number of times. I guess a person would have to actually google for them and broaden their views to more than Chad and Lori.
I watch anything Mike King does. He is very wise!
They weren't excommunicated until after their arrests
Yep. That narrative was misleading. We not even sure Lori was excommunicated she continued to receive bishop visits in jail.
That's insane
Oh Wow! We didn't know the timeline on that. Thank you for sharing!
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@@dakalodka visit from a bishop does not mean she is a member in good standing. In fact probably not. AND repenting of her sins to a bishop is ok. I'm not sure she can have visitors. Mike might know more about LV visitors.
Mike is the boss on cult-crimes. So happy y’all had him on.
Great discussion guys. Thank you for bringing us Mike's insight.
Chad was arrested June 9, 2020 and was not excommunicated till Oct 29, 2021
Where did you learn the exact date?
Great conversation. Very level-headed. I love the non-judgmental attitude. Thank you.
Thanks for having Mike on. Mike is so insightful.
Melissa that is the MOST GENIUS reality show idea EVER 😂
Exceptional collabertation! Such thoughtful and insightful discussion! Very well done. Thank you.
I haven’t seen anyone speaking about Julie Rowe appearing and taken out of the courtroom during the Chad Daybell trial. Would you please investigate this?
Iirc, she was under subpoena as a witness. All witnesses weren't supposed to watch the trial, as it could change their testimony. In the end, she was never called.
Thanks for this collaboration with Mike King! You all have such great perspectives and life experiences that I love to listen to.
Great interview. Thanks for having Mike on.
What incredible insight to cult mentality that you three brought to the table. Fantastic discussion. Well done.
I think that if you look at the book Visions of Glory, you will see-that Chad’s beliefs are not his own. This book is a supposed personal narrative about a near death experience. There are whole groups of people who read this and use it as a blueprint for their own spiritual experiences. People actually believe that others are. Possessed by evil spirits and need to be destroyed. So it’s not just Chad and Lori.
Yes. Hidden True Crime has done deep dives on how this book Visions of Glory is connected to Jodi Hildebrandt, Tim Ballard, and Chad and Lori Daybell. I'd love to see a collaboration with Hidden True Crime.
Yes highly recommend Hidden True Crime is great for all kinds of info about this.
Hidden True Crime has covered it. Jordan and McKay covered the content of the book. Mormon Stories did 8 hours of discussing the effects of it.
Chad will be in isolation and won’t be able to influence others in prison.
Great interview!!
the kids believed in the dark and light - Emma (it is rumored) has lost her teaching job because of this belief.
Great interview ❤
Great collaboration! Such great insights
Great discussion!
Thank you for this video, very informative! :)
One of the best explanations I’ve heard on cults and manipulation.
Thank you! We were trying to find something to listen to this Saturday morning 😊
Our pleasure!
Great video!
A family member thought marriage was arrest for child sexual abuse.when I married into the family he was a favorite and I admired him very dedicate to church and family. My heart is broken.
THIS WAS AN AMAZING EPISODE!! kudos! i'd love to see you interview more persons who are involved with the solving and dissolution of crimes.
When you said in the previous video that you were going to bring on an expert, I was hoping it was Mike. ❤
He may have related expertise but I didn't feel he was very informed about this case.
Loved this video. Thank you for the great video.
Good video. Gives lots of food for thought.
Mike is so informative 😊
Love Mike King! Always gives the needed perspective to put the harsh thoughts to those that committed the intentional acts not everyone around it… ✨🙏🏼✨
Thank you!
I love your channel and have been subscribed for many months now! 💕 Based on many points made in this video specifically, how is MAGA not a cult?
There are no rules for joining, we don't have any rules on what to believe or how to behave, values and morals are not imposed upon us, and anyone can identify as MAGA or reject MAGA whenever they want.
To admit, Im very scarred of these kind religions... the way they speak and wright about people of color? I have to admit that I keep my kids away from them. We have no connection with any demonic energies, and are not cursed with a darker skin. We come just from a beautifull place where this skin keep us save.
It is like I get a present everytime GUIP posts ❤
Awww thank you so much!
I say pay attention to the insitutions these people have come from and what they believe as that is where the damagge starts.
Absolutely agree. To say that their religious beliefs and background didn't fuel this is just once again allowing religion to be absolved of responsibility.
Freedom of religion is also freedom from religion. These children shouldn’t be subjected to their parents nonsense. I feel like you should be able to choose your religion once you’re 18.
Religion!!! 😣I can pray in my own home away from the maddening crowds.
We're supposed to be capable of praying at home, in private, as well as have weekly fellowship and corporate worship with other Christians. You just can't be all dependent/victimy about it when you look for a church family to belong to! The vast percentage of the Christian population is just fine and isn't manipulated like this, but there's a scary number of people who are totally wishy-washy with no sense of self.
Hi Mike! I enjoyed meeting you at CrimeCon!
Thank you for your open statements,, yes don’t blame it all on the religion.
The trauma that the kids went through.... what about the trauma of the children's survivors, the trauma of Lori's son, and the survivors of Tammy's family. Too many people are coddling Chad kids. I fear for the children around them...
Very much so.
Feels like he’s intentionally misleading when he says they were excommunicated while they were doing this. But they were current and active members with a temple recommend until their arrests.
Chad didn't get excommunicated for more than a year after he was arrested
@@BrendaTai exactly… he can separate their actions from the LDS church without misstating the truth.
I just don't think he's well informed about this case
Let’s get rid of the slippery slope mindset of religion. I don’t care who’s feeling it hurts. I don’t care how much comfort it brings you so many atrocities have been committed under this fairytale, under these fairytales because I don’t want anybody to think that their fairytale is special.
41:59 one more comment, lol, about Chad’s kids: I think that Mike’s mentioning of Sam shows just WHY people are so upset with Chad’s children. Sam saw the outside world and began realizing that some of his upbringing was not healthy.
Yes, Chad’s adult kids have gone through a bunch of trauma but so did Lori’s son, Colby, and he understands that his mom and Chad are murderers. 🤷♀️
She wasn’t even sad about Charles to the cops. Even if divorcing, you would feel something??
It is encouraging for me to hear your commentary because I fear for the lives of those born into polygamy.
31:00 this is such a good point!!
Mike uses the vernacular of Shaggy & Scooby-Doo on Mystery Inc. iykyk
Comparing religion to the medical profession is just ridiculous what is necessary and the other one is not. One uses evidence to correct itself and the other one does not.
Respectfully, I don't think the analogy was meant to compare religion to medicine. But rather suggesting that ANY whole group or organization should not be condemned for the abhorrent actions of one or a few individuals acting on their own. (Unless of course they were being directed somehow BY the entity.)
Colby is still with his wife. He has a UA-cam channel. They're expecting a baby.
Lauren Matthias from Hidden True Crimes and her forensic psychologist husband, Dr John Matthias have been following this case closely from the beginning.
I think their knowledge about this case is probably more robust in this instance.
I agree, I was frustrated with some of the simple mistakes. Like, not only were they still lds members, they had temple recommends, and Chad had a post with the bishop. Like, the prosecution didn't call Chad's kids as witnesses. Like, Alex's death has been declared natural and it doesn't seem like it will be investigated further (no matter how much of an unlikely coincidence it seems), like Alex didn't stop believing in Chad's nonsense although he did make a statement about possibly being a fall guy. There were more, I was irritated, lol.
Oh right, Colby is still with his wife, that was a big one.
@@BecBec295 I was listening to an interview with one of the investigating police officers and one of the prosecution team and they said they too had been really suspicious about the cause of Alex's death; because of that alot of care was taken over the autopsy and they confirmed it was natural causes.
One of his family said he had not had a healthy lifestyle and the PM showed alot of cardiovascular disease.
He must also have been under alot of stress carrying out the murders.
@debbieshrubb1222 yes, I heard an interview a while back, I think it was with a forensic pathologist, that convinced me it was likely a natural death and the timing was just coincidence. But I still just keep saying, "I wonder..."
49:26 I love the idea of the reality tv show 🤣
Sooo many thoughts and I'll try to go in order😅
1. I would soo love to cruise with you guys but I am a helicopter dog mom, and I have yet to hear of a dog friendly cruise line 😂 but super cool idea and im excited for everyone who can go 🥰!!!
2. I think that was my comment!!! I feel so seen ❤😂 hearing Mike put words to my initial thought and the truth of the conclusion I came to really feels...complete. Like, I'm not the only one who's jumped to that conclusion, and I'm not the only one who thought "was it something about being a member of xyz group that drove this person to do this ridiculousness?!" And where I think the answer is in part yes...because they use what they know, it doesn't mean being a member of xyz group predisposed them to their crimes.
3. Sam, I'm so glad you didn't go back ❤ thinking of you sleeping in your car, and all the thoughts you must have had running through your head breaks my heart but I'm so glad you're here to be making the impact you are and spreading the goodness that you do!! You and Melissa make me want to be a better more patient humble and more wholesome person! You're both so careful and gentle with your words, it's so...foreign to me lol but it's really really really inspiring ❤
Mike, I am a true fan, and I see your point about the initial difficulty for Arizona LE to prove malice in Charles’s shooting. However, even if they had no other information about the players leading up to his death, the mere fact that he was shot and killed should be enough to warrant a cursory investigation. It should be standard procedure, in “self defense” cases, to restrict travel outside the state of the named parties until interviews are conducted that confirm the events leading up to the killing, imo. One phone call to Adam, Colby, or Kay would have been enough to raise suspicions.
Chad will have limited phone calls and hardly any interaction with the gen pop in prison
Blessings to all!
I think Charles was killed in mid July in Arizona . Lori and family moved to Idaho the end of August.
I would think it takes some time to investigate crimes such as murder... I’m willing to not be judgmental about the Arizona police since the potential subjects have moved... she didn’t leave a forwarding address...she wouldn’t even tell her son where she was moving.
Lori Vallow was convicted of murder for JJ and Tylee, as well as conspiracy to commit murder for JJ, Tylee, and Tammy. The death penalty was taken off the table because of discovery issues with the prosecution; the prosecution kept missing deadlines for discovery. The judge had a choice--dismiss the charges, or drop the death penalty. He chose to drop the death penalty.
Chad being on death roll will have no contact with anyone. His food is even delivered through a slit in his door. The door only has one narrow window. He will be allowed outside for 1 hour a day but he will be locked inside a cage while enjoying the great outdoors.
In Idaho, documents state that he can have monthly video visits and one yearly in person visit but it’s likely no contact. He’s also able to mail or call so he can have contact with others.
Row not roll.
Funny fact... Lori and Chad and their group had almost zero pepper supplies themselves.
Can I ask how you know that?
@@debbieshrubb1222 Sure. I watch Hidden True Crime podcast on UA-cam.
They deep dive into both Chad and Lori.
They also nterview family and people who knew them.
@@jooliagoolia9959 I must have missed that! I watch Hidden True Crimes too.
Heather Daybell I thought said, Chad wanted to store his prepper stuff at her home when he was planning to move to Idaho?
@@debbieshrubb1222
They had some stuff but not very much.
I've been following the Lori Vallow. This is been one of the most interesting podcast about it.
47:57 yes! One of my biggest arguments against the DP.
Love Mike King. ❤ grew up Catholic in Chicago. No longer consider myself Catholic tho…. Dropped out at 13. 😂
What you were talking about being wacky vs criminal reminds me of Minority Report. You can't arrest people on the possibility of them committing criminal acts because they have the choice to not go through with it to the very last millisecond before they do. Unfortunately, it is when that bad choice is done that they then must reap the consequences of that action and we can truly judge if they would have done it, because they did.
I have to disagree with him here. He says Lori was just cooky and no cause for alarm but Charles told police she threatened his life. That goes beyond cooky and definitely should’ve raised an alarm.
There is something to be said for atheism
30:43 I understand his point of view; that if Lori truly believes in Chad’s belief system she wouldn’t hide her crimes. However, I think Lori does truly believe AND she also thinks that “normal” people wouldn’t understand what she “had” to do.
In my mind, it’s more complicated than just: Lori doesn’t *actually* believe because she lied.
36:07 - here he says that Lori does truly believe, so I think he understands it’s more complicated than simply that Lori doesn’t actually believe.
I think this nuance is important to understand so that religious crimes like this don’t continue happening.
Thank you for your videos and reactions! Always appreciated. ❤ Such a sad story.
For anyone who wants to know more about why the detectives didn't jump in to make arrests needs to watch Nate Eaton's interview with Lt Hermisillo and prosecutor wood. They share why
The positives of Chad convicted to the death penalty are he is in a cel for 23 hours a day, no communication with anybody in prison and very limited visits from family but cut off from them
You mentioned the far right but failed to mention the left wanted to dismantle the police at the time. It would be important to know how much crime has been ignored and how many murders are unsolved.
People in high demand religions are no more inclined to violent behavior than any other demographic. The difference is that a warped sense of righteousness comes from a bona fide belief system.
Really, what draws your audience is the curiosity we all have about these high demand groups. I think the majority of your audience members are never-mos. What i appreciate so much about your channel is the empathy you retain for FLDS and LDS members while acknowledging the issues there.
You might want to connect with Frieda Vizel, who grew up chassidic in Williamaburg, a kind of Shortcreek of Hassidic Jews in New York. I would be fascinated by the overlap Judaism and Mormonism have; for example, garments and tallit. Also, just the pressure to "put it on the shelf." Just a thought! I think a collab would help boost audience for the both of you.
Chads raccoon text was the clue to remains
IMO, Emma and Garth Daybell were raised to believe their father was a visionary and the authority of that family. So, he is to blame for calling them to testify. He is too much of a coward to take the stand, and apparently coached them on their statements
AZ did drop the ball she was laughing about it. If that’s not telling what is. It’s awful.
What’s crazy, is how dumb they were. They could have gotten everything they wanted without killing anyone. Divorce Charles and get alimony and child support, but then send the kids to grandparents.
I guess Chad didn’t want to pay alimony himself, but I don’t think he would have because it was claimed that he didn’t make much money
Lori made a statement in her trial telling how her children were both suffering from illness and over-dossed or took their own life to end the suffering.The jury didn't believe her. Where she got the idea we don't know. Jury got it right in my opinion. The end justified the means as far as Lori was concerned. Whether they believed it or not, they are subject to our law. It is not legal to kill your kids.
Chad will be in solitary confinement without much opportunity for any communication with others inside or outside prison.
Also….It is not official if lori has been excommunicated. I know at the beginning of 2020 she had not been.
Her church records cannot keep up with all her moves.
Excuse me Chad daybell's kids are not kids they are not children they are young adults big difference and they knew exactly what was going down
They are the kids of Chad and Tammy. Most of them were well past 18, but they're still their kids
@@hellomello258
No they are not their "kids" they are their children from their relationship. When this was all going down they all 5 of them are adults.
@@lynnhartin8974 "Kid" is a standard informal synonym of "child". It is correct to refer to them as Chad and Tammy's kids. They are often called "their adult kids" to clear up any potential misunderstandings related to age.
@@hellomello258 your keyword is informal this is a formal setting in a court of law.
Adult kids it would be adult children 😂
@@lynnhartin8974 This video isn't a court of law.
I watched most days of the trial and watched recaps from multiple channels of I didn't see most of the day. There was never any confusion over the age of the Daybell children, regardless of how they were referred to.
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Hi you and your wife are very interesting.
Her statement at sentencing…….
IT'S ANY EXTREME FORM OF ANY RELIGION. IT ALSO SEEMS THAT EVERY EXTREMIST RELIGION HAS SOME SORT OF SUBJUGATION OF WOMEN, AS WELL. EITHER WAY, IT MAKES THE REST OF US REPULSED.
Did someone say cruise!?
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Great interview
It was always about money
Both Chad and Lori just wanted $ but had no intention of working
They were both lazy and had been supported financially for years
They just wanted to go to Hawaii and sit by the pool
The were not excommunicated they were temple recommend carrying and going members up until they got caught in their murders
Chad and Lori also attended the temple together after the murders and may have received a sealing ordinance.
@@debbieshrubb1222 They did not receive any sealing ordinance. If they did go to the temple they were doing ordinances for other people who were not living. Now they might have decided in their own minds that they were doing it for themselves but that would not have been the case.
@@annewandering well that's an interesting one because at least one fundamentalist polygamist group was using the temple for ordinances up until the priesthood ban was rescinded.
There was sympathy for the group/s because it was reported by a member that LDS church authorities would speak at their meetings so why not sympathetic temple workers too?
Likewise if there are LDS temple workers who also subscribe to similar prepper dogma as Chad Daybell and others of that ilk, it's logical to assume they would be sympathetic to sealing them.
@@debbieshrubb1222 can't do a sealing that does not exist. You need better sources.
@@annewandering so how do you know that? (My sources are extremely informed BTW... Daybell case as well as others reveal the hidden underbelly of mormonism).
Chad daybell killed the little girl Tylee he also participated in JJ's but Chad straight up and killed her.
This was not proven in court, though Dr. John Matthias suspects Chad murdered Tylee in large part because she seemed to have overkill injuries and Chad is capable of the level of anger required to create those injuries.
I think you guys are beautiful people!
Thank you so much!
What cruise line?
Royal Caribbean's Harmony of the Seas
@@1greatmomof4thank you!
2nd comment!
Thank you. There are bad eggs on every evangelical group doing rotton deeds.
Is Mike a member???
There were not former. Chad was only ex communicated after the kids were found.
Let me remind you: Everyone keeps referring to them as "kids"...Chad's children were grown a$$ ADULTS! PLUS..Emma remained friends with Lori so who was she blaming?? Just sayin...
Ok. So Chad's adult children. Whatever.
Correction: Colby lost his siblings and mother, Lori, not wife. The only wife who died was Chad's.
Kay and Larry lost their grandson (who was adopted by Kay's brother, Charles). The very close knit Douglas family lost Tammy. The Vallow family lost Charles. And Tylee is deeply missed by Colby and those who remain, even if Colby is her only close blood relative.
Explain his children accepting their dads marriage 2 weeks after mothers funeral
They are adults but Emma sounded like a child