America Wanted The Emperor Hanged After Japan Surrendered In WWII
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- General Bonner Fellers sets out to find his love Aya, a Japanese exchange student whom he met years ago in the US. He needs her help to determine if Emperor Hirohito is a criminal or not.
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I recall hearing that when the Japanese invaded Manchuria, they didn't even inform their governemnt they were doing it. Also during the war the Army and Navy often kept one another in the dark due to their interservice rivalry. Makes me wonder how much the Japanese Military, Tojo, and others acted without Hirohito's approval.
Hirohito, or Emperor Showa, populated the High Command of the Imperial Japanese Army with members of his Imperial Household to be his eyes and ears. These people were not there for ceremonious purposes but held command positions with real power. Prince Naruhiko Higashikuni was the commander of the IJA 4th Division which took part in army actions in Manchuria. He was then promoted to command the IJA 2nd Army which saw plenty of action in China. The general prince was a trusted adviser to the Emperor. It was inconcievable that the IJA could act without the knowledge and approval from Emperor Showa.
@tvgerbil1984 Good to know. I brought it up because history's filled with instances where an emperor or king is left almost isolated either by choice or by his inner circle claiming to be acting in his interests as a sort of plausable deniability. Like he doesn't need to know the details, only that the job is getting done. Even Hitler was rumored to have basically told Himmler in so many words, "I don't care how you do it, and I don't want to know, just make the jews go away."
The Germans also had inter-service rivalry that meant their forces were stepping on each others toes. They didn't have a four-engine, long-range bomber? Oh yes they did, the Condor... but only the navy used it!
Almost a ton more ,yeah emperor Hirohito was a figure,but his generals were on their own page .it is said that they almost didn’t even care that the emperor fell they were going to continue fighting on.
Manchuria was a pair of puppet states of the Empire of Japan. It was the spoils of war from the Russo Japanese War. Hirohito was not emperor at that time.
This film is SO MUCH MORE than this brief overview gives. There is so much you learn that is BETWEEN the actual lines said. It's almost as deep a film for what goes UNSAID as for what is. And what is unsaid is conveyed by other means. Mainly the performances by the actors. There is so much subtlety in the performances. You MUST see it in whole.
It wasnt a very good movie but interesting.
You mean The Untied States, not the whole Continent. Of is clue 😢
It was Hirohito who asked his people to put down the weapon and surrender. There were many military fanatic who do not wish to surrender but have to obey the Emperor’s order to do so. If Hirohito was dethroned and prosecuted, those fanatic will rebel and make the US occupation hard to manage.
In the movie recap the narrator states ' when the allies dropped the atomic bombs' which is uterly false. It was the USA who dropped the bombs and I dare say they did not ask the other allied nations for their ok.
The atrocities committed by the Japanese soldiers and their officers during the second world war was unimaginable. Japanese Emperor also cannot wash away his responsibility in this.
Thank you for relating history.
We have to know our mistakes and successes if we are
to go forward.
The japanese considered the emporer to be a divinity. Truman made the decision to keep him as part of the surrender terms. But he had to renounce his divinity and was to answer to Macarthur .
TRUMAN ! LMAO,............ it was MACARTHUR !
@@richrdfieroii Uhhh. Truman agreed to the surrender and to keep their emperor if he renounced his divinity and answered to Macarthur. Secretary of state James Byrd made the joke it will be one divinity speaking to another. Guessing reading comprehension is not your strong suit
@@nicholasbrowning4558 I can Read just fine Young Man. I will clarify, TRUMAN Basically Rubber stamped whatever MacArthur wanted. This was My POINT. I Personally Think the emperor should have been tried & HUNG. because TODAY, the Japanese do NOT accept nor understand or believe they were guilty. this lack of REMORSE is going to cause a WAR a Nasty UGLY war. one where the Chinese are going to use the Japanese the way the Japanese used the Chinese in WWII ! NOW this may not happen even in YOUR life time. but the Chinese are a Patient people, They Measure time Differently than Westerners do.more importantly. They do NOT FORGET ! & if it takes them 3000 YRS, they will get JUSTICE. D. MacArthur Learned to understand the WRONG People !
This is where MacArthur shone. He was not a good general but in his administration of Japan post war he was very good.
"He was not a good general..."
We agree on one item, Mr tattis, that MacArthur's administration of immediate post-war Japan was thoughtful, prudent & commonsensical.
It was 50+ years ago that I went through the challenging process of becoming a US Army officer, and I can guarantee you that if you'd stated to any of my OCS instructors at Ft Benning that MacArthur was "not a good general" that they would have considered you to be either a knave, a fool, or palpably insane. However, please don't take that assessment personally!
@@rogerforsberg3910 I rarely take offence and I do not look at US Army Officers as the be all and end all.
I do not give a fig about Fort Benning
But Back to MacArthur we had three or four Generals that had more experience both in WW1 and WW2
He came to Australia with his tail between his legs He had just left the Philippines defeated, our Generals came home from having been victorious at El Alamein
And yet your great general did not have one Australian General on his staff
He had other defeated sycophants in Sullivan Willoughby and Eichelberger .
And we are supposed to roll over and lick his boots We conducted the war on New Guinea as we wanted to Not how MacArthur wanted it run
Have a look at the US Army and the Kapa Kapa Track MacArthur wanted to beat the Australians over the Kokoda Track.
Most westerners didn't understand s.e.asia at the time. MacArthur was one of the few that did. He should've been allowed to defeat china and n.korea. Even today, it's hard to know what to make of MacArthur as he was such a controversial figure. I go from admiring to loathing the man and back again :).
@@jacktattisAustralia would have been conquered without help of the US. Look at the numbers of men and weapons in those battles. The Japs knew US was the bigger threat so they used more men and weapons to fight them. US led the charges and had plenty of victories. Stay salty my friend.
@@MrAkaacer The chance that they would then have to fight a full-scale war with China was too high. This in turn may have led to Soviet intervention. McArthur's proposals for using nuclear weapons were thankfully not followed through on.
A lot of japanese high ranking official has a steel ball because of doing suicide harakiri. But the emperor has no balls.
Considering in 2024 it is Japan that is the greatest Ally in the Pacific for the USA it was all a wise decision.
Hirohito asked his subjects to 'endure the UNendurable' NOT 'the endurable'.
Royalty always live a charmed life after their sins, Kaiser Wilhelm 2, Hiro Hito.
My mate JAN was on HMS PRINCE OF WALES, which was bombed and sunk along with HMS REPULSE, he spent time in CHANGI PRISON and then on the RAILWAY of DEATH........He worked in Plymouth, Devon until his retirement
MacArthur was the Japan expert - he made the calls on his own.
Self annointed "expert"
From 1945-1950, MacArthur was the most powerful shogun of Japan since Tokugawa Ieyasu.
The most forward-looking thing MacArthur did was sparing Hirohito. The people would do whatever the emperor told them to do, and destroying that ability to keep the Japanese people under control would have complicated post-war reconstruction.
MacArthur did a tremendous job rebuilding Japan, especially with their constitution which gave rights to women that took America YEARS. The fate of Hirohito rested solely on Washington. To the extent the emperor could sanction measures to stave off famine and quell civil disorder, his retention was obviously prudent but US shipments of food at MacArthur’s insistence are what prevented famine. All of Japan’s actions in the war were done in the name of the emperor. US policy should have retained Hirohito initially to ensure the surrender held with no insurgency, and that the humanitarian crisis of the near miss famine was averted. Then, the emperor should have been made to abdicate and accept war responsibility. Even today, Japanese textbooks make the allies aggressors and Japan a victim.
Not really, Australia and America had food as the method to control the Japanese if they needed to. Quite quickly after 1945 the novelty of being able to vote, own land and women’s equality meant the Emperor and his feudal system weren’t wanted by the Japanese anymore.
Hideki Tojo was put in power by Emperor Hirohito and Tojo was removed from power by Hirohito after Tojo disappointed the Emperor by losing Saipan in 1944. So it was really Hirohito all along pulling the strings. MacArthur knew that but he needed Hirohito's cooperation in many areas. An example was the biological warfare laboratory Unit 731 which was expanded to experiment on war captives by a decree from Hirohito. MacArthur wanted the research results and Hirohito's cooperation was critical. To protect Hirohito as a valuable asset untainted of war crimes, MacArthur mounted extensive PR exercise to sanitize Hirohito from all war crime activities. When Tojo implicated Hirohito in the war crime trial in Tokyo 1946, it was MacArthur's prosecution team who tutored Tojo to retract his testimony.
People forget that it was the War Council, not the Emperor who was running the war effort.
if they act up they get nuked again, the japanese were already in control and targetting its emperor to submit was already a power move, their god on earth.
It wasn’t MacArthur’s sole decision on Hirohito’s fate. That ultimately came from Washington. Although he did have considerable influence. It was however MacArthur’s decision not to discipline Fellers which was the right call.
Actually I'm not so sure. He could've perhaps been overridden (or maybe not). US politics at the time was weird as Generals like MacArthur were hero's and popular with the people, so they were not so easily ignored by the President.
@@MrAkaacer I get that MacArthur, Patton, and Eisenhower we’re viewed as heroes of WW2. However what to do with Hirohito was a political decision. Not a military one. There’s no doubt MacArthur had influence. The relationship between Truman and MacArthur deteriorated over time on policy as MacArthur had his own political ambitions. Ultimately causing Truman to fire MacArthur.
YOU watched a MOVIE ! ~~ & you THOUGHT that was REAL ?
@@richrdfieroii I didn’t watch the move. Who said I did? Hirohito’s fate was a political decision not a military one. It had nothing to do with battle field strategy therefore did not fall under the military purview. MacArthur and Truman had a strained relationship. How much that played into MacArthur’s influence is hard to say. I’m sure Eisenhower, as supreme allied commander, was consulted as well. No one in Washington said, Doug, you make the call and whatever you decide we’re good with it. That never happened. I don’t need a movie to tell me that.
Lucky Japan, the American did everything to get Japan back on its knee, while they leave the Philippines straggle for years to recover from war Japaness brought to us.
Yes indeed
Movie title?
0:49 The CORRECT quote is "endure the unendurable"..
Whatever you say about MacArthur's military ability, he was an EXCELLENT administrator of post-war Japan
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Not seen this film in ages. Well worth a rewatch.
The movie and the review start with a falsehood. Japan didn't surrender because of the A bomb, in fact they were ready for surrender before the bombs and the only obstacle on the way was the ultranationalists among the military who instead wanted a fight to the end. But the emperor was for it.
The Japanese had a very good reason to surrender ASAP to the U.S. BECAUSE THEY FEARED THAT WEAKENED AS JAPAN WAS AT THE MOMENT THE SOVIET UNION COULD PROFIT TO LAUNCH AN INVASION OF THE COUNTRY AND TAKE GOOD CHUNKS OF IT WHILE SURRENDER TO THE U.S. WOULD ENSURE PROTECTION BY THE AMERRICANS AND DETER STALIN. The U.S. nuked Japan not to terrify Tokyo into surrender but as a warning to Stalin, that is well known.
Didn't have much effect as the Russians won the war in Europe.
Bonner Fellers was an unheralded hero of WW2.
I don't think Dwight Eisenhower would agree with you.
Post WW2. When he got to Japan the war was over.
Fellers was an incompetent nincompoop whose careless handling of classified information gave the Germans in North Africa great aid and lead to British defeats.
Bob Hope: "If Japan would've won the war we'd be driving Toyotas"
I Had a 1990 Supra GT. Best Car I Ever Had in 1990s.
“Hey, we're flexible. Pearl Harbor didn’t work out, so we got you with tape decks.”
-Joe Takagi, ‘Die Hard’
@@4plus20isHappy Touche' (smile)
Facts: Japan lost the war, and we're still driving Toyotas, Hondas and Mitsubishis...
His joke aside, the U.S. rebuilding of Japan helped led to their dominance in that industry.
Interesting! 👏👏👏
Because he wasn't millions of people around the world did not get the justice they deserved !🙊🙈🙉
Why is "general Kajima" wearing an Imperial Navy admiral's uniform? 😒
Great movie except for the stupid backstory that was not even real. Why do they mess up historical movies with backstories like this, they did it in Midway, 1976 too.
Honestly war movies will always have creative liberties being had. "Saving Private Ryan" for example was based from a true story but we know there are liberties taken there as well, especially since the guy they were looking for was quickly send home in real life despite his protest. In a lighter note, also in real life it turns out one of the brothers who was thought to be dead was caught by the Japanese in SE Asia and later escaped. I think they could make a movie out of that one since it works as a survival story.
Granted the two other brothers were still dead but it's nice to hear that the guy made it back to his family after the war.
@@iamhungey12345 Saving Private Ryan is a terrible movie and makes US Soldiers look like cowards with no respect for authority. Compare how the men in this movie acted in comparison with the real soldiers of Band of Brothers.
My Friend was an extra for the Movie, it's in the movie trailer itself.
Any way to can proofread the AI narration?
.....or to can proofread the youtube comments?
well he was in total command during the war
His joke aside, the U.S. rebuilding of Japan helped led to them dominating the automobile market.
sick of all these ai voice videos. likely produced by the same fools. had to turn it off and stop watching.
Really stupid movie generally not accurate and as I said REALLY STUPID!
Was always taught that the emperor was a figurehead. Thought that was the case until I read Herbert Bix’s Pulitzer winning autobiography of the man.
Hirohito wasn’t as benign or unaware as made out to be. Quite far from it.
However its clear real powerwas with tojo
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Guys.... "sake" isnt pronounced as "for the sake of god". Its saahkee.... rice wine. Use some of your Youtuve money to hire a real narrarator?
Just like how General Kajima should be pronounced as "KAh-jima" not "Kay-jima."
Not to mention with how many times people have heard it, you'd think common sense would have been enough.
That said you should have been some similar videos made for anime recap, tons of fuck ups on characters' names.
Amazing movie👌
No American did not want Hirohito put on trial, it was the Australians who were running the war crimes trials and the Americans stopped them from going after Hirohito.
Source?
I don't think so
Nobody was running anything in Japan after the surrender other than the United States and General MacArthur.
@@tinman3586 What a load of dung.
Not correct Australia had its own share of War Criminals on Morotai , they had no interest in Hirohito . We had no power in Japan strictly American run
Recaps suck
Especially AI generated ones.
Tbe emporer was more of a figurehead, and was basically a prisoner of the military government
That basically how I understand it as well . He wasn’t really calling the shots and was being led around by their military complex .
Americans are use to lawful and unlawful being what's in the constitution. Japan was a bit grey when you reached the top echelon of power. Many things were done by tradition and honour, which is why it was hard to be concrete as to responsibility and fault.
Nonsense. After the atomic bombs, he spoke, and the Japs surrendered. If he had that much influence, what was he doing on December 6, 1941? He deserved to hang, but that would have complicated things.
This is the narrative that MacArthur wanted, but the emperor was a expedient solution to a vexing problem. Hirohito was more than a figurehead! Ultimately, MacArthur was highly successful in rebuilding Japan. He even brought in experts like Edward Demming, which the Japanese lionize. We could use Demming’s direction today. The modern trendy derivatives (e.g. GE’s Sigma) don’t work in the long term.
Yes and no. The emperor had reserve powers. And these he successfully used to end the war and force his goverment to capitulate. But yes his job was generally to stick to the background and trust the government to make the correct decisions. Kind of like it is still common in the UK.
Fell in love with Japan What was wrong with him.
War crimes without war laws. No judge can just make any judgement on such war crimes. Innocent people died on all sides. Winston should be tried for war crimes, his evility got push under the rug. Millions of bengal indian died of starvation as the food grain was diverted to thier army. Sadly they didn't used it. 😢
@johnharris6655
1 day ago
in response to Japan invading China and Manchuria.
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Be that as it may still did not make it right, don’t forget U.S. invaded countries prior 2nd WWII. Hawaii was sovereign nation up to 1891 when the monarch was toppled by 6 white sugar barons with aide of Uncle Sam.
The queen of Hawaii was thrown in jail during coup by United States. She later died in prison. Then there was Guam, Puerto Reco, Panama just name a few.
If you're going to respond to someone, then reply to him rather than doing so in a way he wouldn't notice. Never mind your argument doesn't change the point being made on why the U.S. cut off Japan.
Not to mention the interference in Cuba in supporting fascist ring wing autocrats. Who filled their pockets and allowed corporations to abuse Cuban employees and economy.
The mafia had free rein in ownership of hotels and casinos. Then suppress any social democratic oppression
What could possibly go wrong?
Considering American started the war cutting of japans food and oil and demanding they bow down to FDR
Considering Japan started the war by invading China, and then bombing Pearl Harbor. Ever heard of the "Rape of Nanking" (or Nanjing)? You really should keep your uninformed comments to yourself.
And guess who initiated the oil blockade of Japan-guy by the name of.......................Dean Acheson.
in response to Japan invading China and Manchuria.
@@johnharris6655 nope but nice try FDR was a tyrant especially in his use of FBI that’s why they changed law to 2 terms only
Jesus Christ dude. You can't be this stupid. They invaded China and were committing huge atrocities against China, Ever heard of the Rape of Nanking?
Japan should have never surrender.
As I wrote in my post, the main reason Japan decided to surrender, even before Hiroshima, was that, weakened as the country was, they feared that the Soviet Union would launch an invasion and take a good chunk of it. In fact Stalin had the time to take some land before the official surrender to the US.
100 bombs later - surrender. I mean I guess that's how you would run a country cause some people just stubborn and stiff necked but in the end even dumb people learn just usually through pain/experience. Some of us have wisdom to see ahead and avoid the problems to a degree.
Why?
@@MagicWandn Yeah, but Japan is now slaves to the USA.
@@fareast20 Not sure about that bud.
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