@@TheGerudan Don't forget to use the Asus Phoenix version of the GPU, one fan will clearly do on the GPU! Also, swap out the one DIMM and replace it with an unknown cheap brand like Micron! Forget HyperX or Corsair, Micron is where it's at.
In March I bought an rtx 2060 build (it was asus Phoenix of course because cheapo) with 9th gen i7 and it had the cheapest mobo possible! An asus prime h310 loser edition. It was so bad that I would have my PC severely drop in performance and snappiness even when browsing since they put a cheap off brand ssd with only 240gb, it got way better and what it should have been at 1149 pounds when I upgraded in black friday to the z390 pro carbon and a 2tb corsair mp400 ssd. I could overclock my cpu finally to 5ghz and overclock my 32gb ram to 3600 after it was stuck at 2666 moral of story, build your pcs so you know what parts you are going to use and if you can buy these cpus surely you can buy the z390 8th,9th gen or z490 10th gen
@@tomasruiz4675 it's a little too basic though, I'd rather my vrms had a heat sink. I don't mind not being able to oc, I just wanna be sure the board won't crap itself within a week of owning it.
ASUS makes their budget H310 & H410 mobos in classic green (plastic and heatsinks are black). I have a MSI A320 Pro that looks like Dawid's mobo, it came new with something that looks like tree sap on it.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff ehHhHh I guess. Noctua fans are like, the ugliest PC parts in existence, so I'm gonna go with two wrongs don't make a right on this one Dawid.
lol It's a classic to me. I wish I was brave enough to make my own frying-pan cpu cooler. Imagine frying an egg in between games.. Or making coffee. While you chat on discord hahaha
The vrm is a terrible choice for cooking as the power output of them is very low. Cooking stuff on cpus is much more practical. Plenty of videos on youtube.
@@nicholasespinoza9610 I was thinking about that when I saw a holes at beginning of a video but combo like this is still bad idea, no matter how you cool them down pressure on these 4 phases on a long(er) run will result in premature death of some of them. Still, it's not bad idea for any other case when somebody pair this MBO with some more suitable CPU. Finding heatsink that will fit on these mounts is harder part but at least there is room for some modified solution, on many boards without heatsink layout is terrible and it's impossible to fit anything expect maybe small "memory" heatsinks.
well to be fair he is very limited in what he says thanks to all the censorship going on. UA-cam wants ads on all the videos and they want all the videos to be ad friendly.
It makes perfect sense that this board has a vga port. It’s designed for office or basic home use, most people who’d buy a board like this may still use a VGA monitor.
Hey Dawid, you remember cpu cooler on laptop few days ago? And you were initially thinking about strapping aio? There's a way to get even contact: get dremel, cut hole under heatpipe connecting Cpu & Gpu n strap in there, make sure you drill few holes for countersink screw to mount aio to the chassey. Done. No fuss whatsoever.
This is my favorite tech UA-cam channel just because Dawid simply does things the opposite way of the others. Instead of how good can I get this system to perform, he says how bad can I get it to perform.
Hex Dawid! Since I'm early this time around and can hope to get a few likes to bump this: I challenge you to build a Gaming PC that's capable of 1080p gaming with only parts that aren't officially supported anymore!! Let's say: last drivers and or bios updates for components at least 18months old
I'd be curious what throwing some little copper heatsinks on those VRM with a single 120 MM fan would do for those VRM's. I bet it would keep it from throttling and those heat sinks are pretty cheap on Amazon.
Add some heatsinks to the vrms and try again, im pretty sure that with a little bit of nice work and no more than 10 bucks you can make the Mobo run perfect 100% of the time all the games
@@leaha2357 That's what I was thinking as well so I googled it for 2 seconds and found on the EVGA forum a lot of people were complaining and had to rma their FTW cards because only one or 2 fans would spin randomly and they had issues. It could be completely unrelated but I just thought Ide mention it. Lol it was funny just watching him talk while only 1 fan is spinning in the background then thinking back to the liquid metal video.
These down-to-Earth, light-hearted tech vids are always a pleasure to watch, great stuff as usual! Btw, could someone tell me what in-game tracking software is being used in Dawid's videos?
Hmm, you what would be interesting, what if you attached a heatsink to the VRM to help cool it, I wonder what the performance would be after an extended time then? Would it be able to hold 4.8GHz due to no temperature throttling, if its enough, though its only a small 4 phase design
A top-down air cooler would help the motherboard here. It will cool the VRM a bit too. Alternatively, very good case cooling that also is set up to help the VRM will do good here as well.
Hope your Christmas was good too. It was quite Christmas for us here in San Diego since we're on lockdown (not that anyone is really staying home at this point as it's out 7th or 8th multi week lockdown). It at least it was nice out.
Minor correction to the video -- the power phases aren't doubled, they just have two sets of MOSFETS to spread the heat load out a bit. On a lot of boards you see 3 mosfets per phase, since only the low-side mosfet runs hot enough to need to be split into two in some VRM designs.
i mean yeah that one is a bit obvious. But it's always entertaining to see what happens when you use these H series boards to tank the performance on these CPUs
Temps were made even worse with his choice of a cooler. Temps could have been way better if he had used an air cooler that pushes air towards the motherboard.
I like your Content. There is so much to learn for Me on building a Computer. I built all my pc by my own and all worked well But now i know, that i have to have also an eye on this little things. Thx man
Hey dude! I love your videos but can you make a 700$ budget gaming pc with a guide and gameplay? I really wanna build a computer but that's all I have for budget. Also for the gameplay can you showcase beamng, ACS (American trucking sim) and gta 5?
Being cheap on the motherboard is always a bad idea. Learned that lesson the hard way. Anyways, another entertaining video, keep up the good work, Dawid:)
I bought a pre built from Amazon as my first PC in March when I used my dad's old gt 210 PC since 2011, I knew absolutely nothing about pcs so when I saw the big numbers i7 9700K, 16gb and rtx 2060 at a £1149 price we bought the PC, despite the seller obviously not stating the other components branding nor the powersupply When it came, owning a new gaming PC made me glad I finally have such a thing, unaware of the terrible h310 motherboard I got, the powersupply was advertised as 600w but we got 500w without any brand name, we can't get a refund since the company ADMI also known as AWD-IT (AWDful-Isn'IT?) No longer sold the PC and we find out the psu was a scam in November, that was when I upgraded to the z390 and saw a way better performance boost and could finally overclock my ram and cpu safely we bagged the £250 gaming pro carbon ac at £174 for black Friday sales
@@absbrah38 Yea, prebuilt PCs are usually gimped in the motherboard department. Screwing over your clients to save a couple of bucks on the main board.
I know its not very enthusiast of me to say, but Im curious how the non-K 65 watt version of the 10th ten i9 performs in comparison to the K version tested here on this board
Its strange because it does look like they had intended to actually put a heatsink on the power delivery section of that motherboard with the 2 holes where they are around it, But then obviously decided a little piece of aluminium was going to eat into profit too much so skipped it, Would be interesting to see if adding a heatsink would have yield any different performance results.
I had a prebuilt with a Ryzen 5 3600 and A320 cheapo mobo. VRMs reached 120C when editing videos. Eventually smoke came out. Oh, and it was an MSI "pro" motherboard. But it looked way cheaper than yours
The mobo has holes for VRM cooler. Just get an aluminum sheet of the correct size, 3d print a holder or something and stick a few small heatsinks on it. Average cost 5-10EUR for the average maker and it will do the job very well (I ve done it for other mobo).
you should have looked into getting after market cooling for the vrm's or even slapping some diy stuff together , like yank the heat sink off an old video card and shoving it on top of the vrm (with thermal pads of course or thermal greese even)
Just realised I haven't been subned this whole time, love the channel and content honestly it's always super interesting! Would definitely be interested in more motherboard facts, never seen many people go over what's actually in the boards like the vrm.
Hi Dawid I love your videos even though I don't know much about hardware and still run an old 7+ year old advent pc. One game you should try out these rigs on is path of exile. Later in the game there is so many calculations going on that sometimes even the hardiest of rigs slow down to a sad FPS rate. The game shows you an FPS graph using one of the F keys. Only problem is you would have to venture to the point in the game where everything is 'kicking off' and not just fire up and check the FPS like the games you show. All the best and thank you for the content.
Is adding some sort of vrm heatsink able to prevent it from throttling? I'm seeing a possibility someone with H410 might get used 10700 when used market pricing got really interesting
Actually, it's quite common practice in pre-builds. Even motherboard-CPU bundles have the same. I found quite a bit of listings with Ryzen 7 paired A320 mobo and memory 2133 or 2400. All marketing is based on how powerful CPU you get, missing the fact that rest of components will drag it down...
When the local computer parts shop have cpu and mobo combo I9 10th gen ten core cpu with mobo Included parts: i9 cpu 10th gen H410m pro it can get 400+fps in csgo with rtx 3080 RTX 3080 sold separately!
cheap motherboards have older display ports out since people probably buying the cheaper stuff use the older tech since thats all they can afford, makes sense.
For locked CPUs this series of boards is meh but alright, I don't know if this applies to the newer ones, but I own a B250m Pro and I hate the fact that it has ZERO manual voltage controls, something that could be awsome to stop my I5's furnace tendencies.
@@EvilTurkeySlices 7600, stock it runs at 1.2 ish volts and i'm still running the stock cooler because for a long time I was able to undervolt it using XTU, but after the 20H2 update XTU refuses to even launch
well idk if u put it on test bench or in a case. i think if u would had done tests as a built pc vrm temps would be lower because of ventilation. That's why it got so hot when u removed the fan
The fluctuation in results is a lot more alarming than I expected and this is the type of mobo that I'd expect in an eBay prebuilt. It would be interesting to see if you could "fix" this mobo by ghetto mounting some sort of cooling on those crappy vrms. Really interesting stuff, and really shows why you don't cheap on a mobo!
video idea: maybe a video about what cpu whould be the best feet with a cheep motherboard (although 70-80$ is not cheep) so you do not lose performance and if the same cpu can perform better in the high end motherboard. This is something i want to see for a while.
It didn't perform that badly imo, it's not really a CPU+Mobo combination that would be common. Trying to run a i5-10400f on that H410M motherboard would be quite a lot more sensible and would likely work fairly well in most situations.
Dawid, I'd like to see an extensive test of this budget board, but when you slap on a bit of aluminium bar stock over tyhe VRM. Something that's not a heatsink per se, but will it work to give better performance?
I run a MSI B450A-Pro Max, and it is just a non-RGB Tomahawk with slightly different rear I/O (in a way that makes no difference to me). Their Pro series can have some surprisingly well featured boards for what they cost. I don't know for the H410 chipset, though. It clearly runs to Intel's spec at least, and not a toe over that line.
Would have been nice to see what would happen with some cheap heatsinks from alli express stuck on top and so fan air flow see if you could keep it from throttling.
David i'd love if you had some cheap heatsinks to slap on and test how cheap it would actually be to make this board usable with a high end CPU. Temps would probably be even higher in a closed system for sure. It is actually interesting if it would only be like 1-2$ for some board makers to make this a non problem.
Next time try putting heatsinks on the VRM, to see if a gamer on a tight budget can mod a cheap board to perform on a high end CPU. And before someone says "who pays top dollar on a CPU and cheaps out on the motherboard", 2nd hand buyers for upgrading computers do.
When u win a CPU giveaway
I mean it can game right?
@@problemtf2532 it's the same as having a V8 twin-turbo engine on a ford fiesta.
Well, just buy thermal pads and stick a piece of aluminium on it, problem solved.
Haha!! Exactly.
I have never been offended by something I agree with
You are basically just building a prebuilt, cpu mobo combo.
Yeah, just take one DIMM out and you have it.
I misread as Mombo Combo and now it's head canon.
Go Dingos!
Lol
@@TheGerudan Don't forget to use the Asus Phoenix version of the GPU, one fan will clearly do on the GPU! Also, swap out the one DIMM and replace it with an unknown cheap brand like Micron! Forget HyperX or Corsair, Micron is where it's at.
Ah yes, The Modern prebuilt combo. Combining High end cpu with Basic af board. And people still buying it
dont see why not,in most cases at least,unless you want to oc ofc
In March I bought an rtx 2060 build (it was asus Phoenix of course because cheapo) with 9th gen i7 and it had the cheapest mobo possible! An asus prime h310 loser edition.
It was so bad that I would have my PC severely drop in performance and snappiness even when browsing since they put a cheap off brand ssd with only 240gb, it got way better and what it should have been at 1149 pounds when I upgraded in black friday to the z390 pro carbon and a 2tb corsair mp400 ssd. I could overclock my cpu finally to 5ghz and overclock my 32gb ram to 3600 after it was stuck at 2666 moral of story, build your pcs so you know what parts you are going to use and if you can buy these cpus surely you can buy the z390 8th,9th gen or z490 10th gen
Haha!! It really is. But honestly, I was surprised at how well it handled the CPU
If it's not the cheap motherboard then they end up getting a trash power supply that's a fire hazard
@@tomasruiz4675 it's a little too basic though, I'd rather my vrms had a heat sink. I don't mind not being able to oc, I just wanna be sure the board won't crap itself within a week of owning it.
I love the low key insults directed at pc parts.
Almost all his descriptions deserve to go to r/rareinsults
Just a normal video
Honestly, I'd rather have classic green over poop brown on my motherboard.
ASUS makes their budget H310 & H410 mobos in classic green (plastic and heatsinks are black).
I have a MSI A320 Pro that looks like Dawid's mobo, it came new with something that looks like tree sap on it.
@@thepezfeo The tree sap is for better overclocks yo
Poo brown match Noctua, which is nice... I guess.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff ehHhHh I guess. Noctua fans are like, the ugliest PC parts in existence, so I'm gonna go with two wrongs don't make a right on this one Dawid.
All we need is a brown case and we can make a full poop build.
Now I want to see someone boil water on a vrm.
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@@zCaptainz That video is awesome! 😁
lol It's a classic to me.
I wish I was brave enough to make my own frying-pan cpu cooler.
Imagine frying an egg in between games.. Or making coffee. While you chat on discord hahaha
The vrm is a terrible choice for cooking as the power output of them is very low. Cooking stuff on cpus is much more practical. Plenty of videos on youtube.
From the holes its look like a heatsink on the VRM'S was predicted to be mounted. So with a search you can mount a heatsink easly there.
Yeah that would be interesting to see. 😁
That would make an otherwise budget board a reasonable option for mid-range gaming.
Still wouldn't put an I9 in this thing though.
I have the same mobo,can anyone please help me in putting a heatsink on the VRM.Where can I get one ?
2 holes for vrm's heatsink , you can add thermal pads and heatsink .Test it again! Should be interesting.
Whats the point tho?
@@h1tzzYT to show a cheaper motherboard is actually a good value by simply adding a heatsink to the VRM.
Agree
The mobo is dead
@@nicholasespinoza9610 I was thinking about that when I saw a holes at beginning of a video but combo like this is still bad idea, no matter how you cool them down pressure on these 4 phases on a long(er) run will result in premature death of some of them.
Still, it's not bad idea for any other case when somebody pair this MBO with some more suitable CPU. Finding heatsink that will fit on these mounts is harder part but at least there is room for some modified solution, on many boards without heatsink layout is terrible and it's impossible to fit anything expect maybe small "memory" heatsinks.
I'm not 100% sure, but I think "loser" is Dawid's favorite insult, not 100% sure
Someone gotta make a super cut of dawid saying “loser”
Loser
well to be fair he is very limited in what he says thanks to all the censorship going on. UA-cam wants ads on all the videos and they want all the videos to be ad friendly.
Well he is a candian though, what do you expect? XD
Always "crazy" ideas Dawid, never change.
Greg Greg!! The OG sub. You’ve been here since the beginning 😁
Hey Greg! 😁
@@AnnaDoes You guys are great! I wish you all the best!
74 hearts received lol
Didn't it die? I saw a story that led me to believe that heh followup video?
I don't want to talk about it. 😅
@@DawidDoesTechStuff ah crap. Was going to suggest a video with some simple stick on heatsinks on the VRM 🤣
F
Every time I see his title card the 13 year old sense of humor I have reads "Dawid does b__t stuff". Thanks for that Timmy Joe.
@@lunchie80 so was I
It makes perfect sense that this board has a vga port. It’s designed for office or basic home use, most people who’d buy a board like this may still use a VGA monitor.
Yet still have a 10th gen Intel cpu
Priorities
Most boards have VGA ports regardless of the price point. Because you never know when you might need it. I don't know why people are surprised by it.
you'd be surprised what you can still do with mold tech like vga
Now try to put on some small heatsinks on the VRM components
Agreed, would have been a nice experiment !
You know what... Your channel is blowing upp
Yeah, 2020 has been a crazy ride for the channel. Thanks for the comment. 😁
The motherboard equivalent of a shart... As always, thank you Dawid.
Some tiny heatsinks from Amazon should do nicely.
Hey Dawid, you remember cpu cooler on laptop few days ago? And you were initially thinking about strapping aio? There's a way to get even contact: get dremel, cut hole under heatpipe connecting Cpu & Gpu n strap in there, make sure you drill few holes for countersink screw to mount aio to the chassey.
Done. No fuss whatsoever.
These types of videos make me feel better about my specs
This is my favorite tech UA-cam channel just because Dawid simply does things the opposite way of the others. Instead of how good can I get this system to perform, he says how bad can I get it to perform.
Well I’d take the corolla dis as a compliment, since my grandparents’ corolla is over 20 years-old without issues.
Downdraft cooler would probably outperform a AIO due to cooling the VRM off
And if ti not enough, you could get like another 120mm case fan to fully cool it down. and save like 100 quid on motherboard.
That board might not throttle if used with stock heatsink.
Hex Dawid! Since I'm early this time around and can hope to get a few likes to bump this:
I challenge you to build a Gaming PC that's capable of 1080p gaming with only
parts that aren't officially supported anymore!!
Let's say: last drivers and or bios updates for components at least 18months old
This was so funny to watch, literary bought the same MSI H410 mobo for $65 and it runs my i5-10400F perfectly fine :)
What's the VRM temperature on stress test
So what you’re saying is since I blew all my money on the i9, buying this motherboard is a good idea?
Yes
No way it's a good idea
If you lack a pan & desperately want an omelette, I guess? 🤔
VRM temps would be lower If he used a $10 air-cooler instead of a $100 water cooler.
Clearly everyone missed the sarcasm
I'd be curious what throwing some little copper heatsinks on those VRM with a single 120 MM fan would do for those VRM's. I bet it would keep it from throttling and those heat sinks are pretty cheap on Amazon.
Missed chance to test it with some diy cooling applied to the vrm.
Add some heatsinks to the vrms and try again, im pretty sure that with a little bit of nice work and no more than 10 bucks you can make the Mobo run perfect 100% of the time all the games
When I saw the YT story Dawin made about this few days ago, I really thought the motherboard is from a pre-built PC
Why is only one fan randomly spinning on your 3080? Lol I think you rlly messed that thing up😂 6:35
I think thats just EVGA cards, if I remember they have a ton of sensors on the board and can control the fans separately from one another
@@leaha2357 That's what I was thinking as well so I googled it for 2 seconds and found on the EVGA forum a lot of people were complaining and had to rma their FTW cards because only one or 2 fans would spin randomly and they had issues. It could be completely unrelated but I just thought Ide mention it. Lol it was funny just watching him talk while only 1 fan is spinning in the background then thinking back to the liquid metal video.
@@PabzRoz Hahaha yeah it was pretty funny think back to the video with the fans
It was idling because nothing was being run
Ahh man i love your videos, the added humour just puts your videos in their own category. Keep up the good videos my guy
These down-to-Earth, light-hearted tech vids are always a pleasure to watch, great stuff as usual!
Btw, could someone tell me what in-game tracking software is being used in Dawid's videos?
Hmm, you what would be interesting, what if you attached a heatsink to the VRM to help cool it, I wonder what the performance would be after an extended time then? Would it be able to hold 4.8GHz due to no temperature throttling, if its enough, though its only a small 4 phase design
A top-down air cooler would help the motherboard here. It will cool the VRM a bit too. Alternatively, very good case cooling that also is set up to help the VRM will do good here as well.
Hope your Christmas was good too. It was quite Christmas for us here in San Diego since we're on lockdown (not that anyone is really staying home at this point as it's out 7th or 8th multi week lockdown). It at least it was nice out.
I would be curious if even a low end cpu would be throttled under load due to the vrm
It'll be interesting to see which cpu is the best you can fit in the H410 without having vrm issues
Minor correction to the video -- the power phases aren't doubled, they just have two sets of MOSFETS to spread the heat load out a bit. On a lot of boards you see 3 mosfets per phase, since only the low-side mosfet runs hot enough to need to be split into two in some VRM designs.
So put some passive HS on the VRMs, leave the fan on em', and see if you can fix it :P
these motherboard are good for i3 /i5 none K cpus !
Yeah I have a gigabyte h410m paired with a i3 10100 and it performs really well considering it was a below $500 build
i mean yeah that one is a bit obvious. But it's always entertaining to see what happens when you use these H series boards to tank the performance on these CPUs
Been waiting for this since you posted the poll
Idk man looks like a great combo for me i always get customers like this and you know what they say - the customer is always right.
Hei, I smell a story here
@@Sandeepan hey*
vrm's are meant to run "hot" compared to other components but i wonder if the measured temps are edge or junction?
Temps were made even worse with his choice of a cooler. Temps could have been way better if he had used an air cooler that pushes air towards the motherboard.
Use a stock cooler that downfire cooling fan also cools the vrm, its designed to run will stock cooler.
I like your Content. There is so much to learn for Me on building a Computer. I built all my pc by my own and all worked well But now i know, that i have to have also an eye on this little things. Thx man
Hey dude! I love your videos but can you make a 700$ budget gaming pc with a guide and gameplay? I really wanna build a computer but that's all I have for budget. Also for the gameplay can you showcase beamng, ACS (American trucking sim) and gta 5?
my internet is out but I'm still trying to watch this at 144p on my hotspot.
🤔
Being cheap on the motherboard is always a bad idea. Learned that lesson the hard way.
Anyways, another entertaining video, keep up the good work, Dawid:)
I bought a pre built from Amazon as my first PC in March when I used my dad's old gt 210 PC since 2011, I knew absolutely nothing about pcs so when I saw the big numbers i7 9700K, 16gb and rtx 2060 at a £1149 price we bought the PC, despite the seller obviously not stating the other components branding nor the powersupply
When it came, owning a new gaming PC made me glad I finally have such a thing, unaware of the terrible h310 motherboard I got, the powersupply was advertised as 600w but we got 500w without any brand name, we can't get a refund since the company ADMI also known as AWD-IT (AWDful-Isn'IT?) No longer sold the PC and we find out the psu was a scam in November, that was when I upgraded to the z390 and saw a way better performance boost and could finally overclock my ram and cpu safely we bagged the £250 gaming pro carbon ac at £174 for black Friday sales
@@absbrah38 Yea, prebuilt PCs are usually gimped in the motherboard department. Screwing over your clients to save a couple of bucks on the main board.
I know its not very enthusiast of me to say, but Im curious how the non-K 65 watt version of the 10th ten i9 performs in comparison to the K version tested here on this board
Its strange because it does look like they had intended to actually put a heatsink on the power delivery section of that motherboard with the 2 holes where they are around it, But then obviously decided a little piece of aluminium was going to eat into profit too much so skipped it, Would be interesting to see if adding a heatsink would have yield any different performance results.
Prebuilt companies: Write that down! Write that down!
Its intresting in the close up it looks like the VRM have holes for a cooler
I had a prebuilt with a Ryzen 5 3600 and A320 cheapo mobo. VRMs reached 120C when editing videos. Eventually smoke came out.
Oh, and it was an MSI "pro" motherboard. But it looked way cheaper than yours
You should glue some heat syncs on the VRM and put a fan on it... I wonder if that would make a difference.
The mobo has holes for VRM cooler. Just get an aluminum sheet of the correct size, 3d print a holder or something and stick a few small heatsinks on it. Average cost 5-10EUR for the average maker and it will do the job very well (I ve done it for other mobo).
you should have looked into getting after market cooling for the vrm's or even slapping some diy stuff together , like yank the heat sink off an old video card and shoving it on top of the vrm (with thermal pads of course or thermal greese even)
Just realised I haven't been subned this whole time, love the channel and content honestly it's always super interesting! Would definitely be interested in more motherboard facts, never seen many people go over what's actually in the boards like the vrm.
Hi Dawid I love your videos even though I don't know much about hardware and still run an old 7+ year old advent pc. One game you should try out these rigs on is path of exile. Later in the game there is so many calculations going on that sometimes even the hardiest of rigs slow down to a sad FPS rate. The game shows you an FPS graph using one of the F keys. Only problem is you would have to venture to the point in the game where everything is 'kicking off' and not just fire up and check the FPS like the games you show. All the best and thank you for the content.
Is adding some sort of vrm heatsink able to prevent it from throttling?
I'm seeing a possibility someone with H410 might get used 10700 when used market pricing got really interesting
ive seen guitars in the background of your videos sometimes, and wonder if the intro theme is something you've recorded yourself?
Actually, it's quite common practice in pre-builds. Even motherboard-CPU bundles have the same. I found quite a bit of listings with Ryzen 7 paired A320 mobo and memory 2133 or 2400. All marketing is based on how powerful CPU you get, missing the fact that rest of components will drag it down...
Budget gamers:
Bad motherboard go BRRRR
i think part of the initial differance in frame rate also comes down to PCI 3.0 and PCI 4.0. there is apparently about a 5% differance in frames
loved this video - and all the indirect insults. : )
When the local computer parts shop have cpu and mobo combo
I9 10th gen ten core cpu with mobo
Included parts:
i9 cpu 10th gen
H410m pro
it can get 400+fps in csgo
with rtx 3080
RTX 3080 sold separately!
cheap motherboards have older display ports out since people probably buying the cheaper stuff use the older tech since thats all they can afford, makes sense.
@@jusunglee6673 no graphics card?
Im using it for i5 10400F twice. Dont forget bout front panel at left side.
Imagine doing this on a test bench and not in a case that will obviously have fans and therefore active air flow
It has holes to mount a heatsink. Would be easy to get rid of the throttling.
put a heatsink on the VRM pleaseeeeee. curious to see what will happen
Try putting a heatsink on the vrm and redo the test. I'm am curious what the results would be.
For locked CPUs this series of boards is meh but alright, I don't know if this applies to the newer ones, but I own a B250m Pro and I hate the fact that it has ZERO manual voltage controls, something that could be awsome to stop my I5's furnace tendencies.
Which i5? Any i5 on that platform shouldn’t be like a furnace.
@@EvilTurkeySlices 7600, stock it runs at 1.2 ish volts and i'm still running the stock cooler because for a long time I was able to undervolt it using XTU, but after the 20H2 update XTU refuses to even launch
@@nagizah8 upgrade the cooler then.
@@EvilTurkeySlices yep, that's the current plan, I was avoiding it with my undervolt, but it no longer works '-'
my prebuild: Am i looking at a mirror?
love your videos bro keep up the good work
well idk if u put it on test bench or in a case. i think if u would had done tests as a built pc vrm temps would be lower because of ventilation. That's why it got so hot when u removed the fan
The fluctuation in results is a lot more alarming than I expected and this is the type of mobo that I'd expect in an eBay prebuilt. It would be interesting to see if you could "fix" this mobo by ghetto mounting some sort of cooling on those crappy vrms. Really interesting stuff, and really shows why you don't cheap on a mobo!
video idea: maybe a video about what cpu whould be the best feet with a cheep motherboard (although 70-80$ is not cheep) so you do not lose performance and if the same cpu can perform better in the high end motherboard. This is something i want to see for a while.
Wonder if those universal VRM heatsinks from ebay would help bring the temps down?
Imagine even using a b460 board with that cpu gpu combo
Vrms, reaches 70c much better performance.
that would be interesting for a follow up scenario maybe
I have a z390 e with a i9 9900k and overclocked to 5ghzt and vrams never go above 55c in full load, Asus makes some nice mobos
I have a x570 tuf board with r7 3700x with rtx 3070
@@thealien_ali3382 I agree asus has good mobos
Never seen a motherboard so bad that the VRM tried to escape
It didn't perform that badly imo, it's not really a CPU+Mobo combination that would be common. Trying to run a i5-10400f on that H410M motherboard would be quite a lot more sensible and would likely work fairly well in most situations.
Would have liked to see how much of a difference it would have made if you glued some aliexpress heat sinks onto the vrms .
The 10850K is only a 125W chip. Realistically they used to make loads of motherboards with similar VRMs that ran the old power hungry Core2 series.
You can buy extremely cheap little heat sinks on Amazon, so I would be interested in seeing if that and a fan blowing on it made a big difference
Dawid, I'd like to see an extensive test of this budget board, but when you slap on a bit of aluminium bar stock over tyhe VRM. Something that's not a heatsink per se, but will it work to give better performance?
You know it's a good one when Dawid does the little giggles XD
I run a MSI B450A-Pro Max, and it is just a non-RGB Tomahawk with slightly different rear I/O (in a way that makes no difference to me). Their Pro series can have some surprisingly well featured boards for what they cost.
I don't know for the H410 chipset, though. It clearly runs to Intel's spec at least, and not a toe over that line.
Would have been nice to see what would happen with some cheap heatsinks from alli express stuck on top and so fan air flow see if you could keep it from throttling.
David i'd love if you had some cheap heatsinks to slap on and test how cheap it would actually be to make this board usable with a high end CPU. Temps would probably be even higher in a closed system for sure. It is actually interesting if it would only be like 1-2$ for some board makers to make this a non problem.
2:36 HEY, I have a VGA monitor. It's good for testing.
Vga is still relevant. More than all dvi versions
Lmao it hurt when you called this motherboard equivalent of a wet fart while me being not being able to afford a i3 build with this mobo 😂
Late Christmas present.? Early morning dawid? Yes! No spellcheck that’s his name I swear!
Next time try putting heatsinks on the VRM, to see if a gamer on a tight budget can mod a cheap board to perform on a high end CPU. And before someone says "who pays top dollar on a CPU and cheaps out on the motherboard", 2nd hand buyers for upgrading computers do.
This is what pre-builts love using! They'll use the top end cpu and gpu but use terrible aftermarket ram, mobo and psu
looks like you can mount the heatsink on the motherboard vrm. if you can do that, you will get a cheap motherboard that is relatively good
Darn, I had ‘the motherboard equivalent of venereal disease’ in Dawid quote bingo. Maybe next time.
It would be cool if I made a mod to the motherboard, some heatsink to the VRM and a fan
Video idea! Put some heatsinks on the VRM and test if it makes a difference.
Good to see you still use intel
See what would happen with aftermarket vrm heatsinks stuck on the vrms and a fan
You should get some heat sinks and apply them to vrms see how much of a difference it makes