Comparison of USA's Apache AH64 v/s KA 52 Alligator Russian two deadly helicopter
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- Опубліковано 3 гру 2021
- We're going to compare two legendary deadly helicopters in this video. One is the Apache AH 64, which was built in America, and the other is the KA 52 alligator, which was built in Russia. Both are well-known for their lethal combat ranges. For more information on both helicopters check out the video.
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Everybody forgets about ejection seats at KA-52, it gives a huge possibility to survive for pilots, and pilots are most expensive assets nowadays.
ka-52 need these seats because of operating in higher altitudes... it was also in video .. overall apache pilot have higher chance to survive
@@klaabu99 source - trust me bro
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Pilots cost $32 million each?
It's genius
Sorry to say this but as a pilot i would choose the ka52 above the apache anytime. Feels so much more capable to achieve mission then the apache.
Yes but it was not "born in the USA"...
@@drno3391
So?
Plus, if your Ka-52 goes down, you have a chance of ejecting.
If you’re in an Apache and your Apache goes down, you go down with it!
What flight simulator do you base your opinion on?
@@bikechainmic The 'yo mama has a fat kunt' simulator
In Ukraine, we see the Ka-52 in action, with its incredible survivability, when this helicopter can avoid a salvo of large numbers of American and British missiles and continues to fly even with its tail torn off. I doubt that Apache will show this result. This is a helicopter built on an outdated base, it does not even have an ejection system. Apaches were certainly good in the 80s and 90s, but after the Russians built the Aligator, those days are gone
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absolutely. hell of a copter
5 of these copters have been shot down this week only by Ukraine forces LOL
@@vlat18 got some confirms?
@@vlat18 is there no any Chopper in invisible a****** 😏😏
The apache has never went against a peer or near peer opponent
Even then theyve been taken out by small arms fire
The ka-52 has been placed into an environment that no other attack helicopter in history has even been faced with , even under these circumstances they did exceptionally well and proven to be a true nightmare to tank crews on the battlefield
I think they're both great helicopters but I'd go with the ka-52
Ja ròwnież wybrał bym K-52👍
37 have been verified destroyed in Ukraine conflict.
@@glenatgoogle4393Since when destroyed means bad? I mean, I can tell you how Abrams was lost to DSHK fire and RPGs from 60s, does it make that tank bad?
@@BOM_NLD Source is Oryx which only lists documented losses with photos. Many of the citations concerning the KA52 are from Russian sources.
@@okand1921 -- If you're fighting Ukraine, and you're supposed to be the 2nd most powerful military on the planet and your premier attack helio has an approx 50% destroyed ratio --- that means bad.
There Isnt any comparison, the KA 52 is a beast with longer ranged weapons much higher survivability, heavier weapons payload & above all else. It's proven in a battle zone no apache has been anywhere near the level of.
If Iraqis had tens of thousands of manpads like ukronazis do, I wonder if any Apache or Blackhawk would be left flying.
those who praise apache, let them show a video against which systems apache opposes, that's how it really works against modern systems
Apache is a proven one only against small and country with very very weak defense. But Ka 52 is proven against entire NATO forces.
In your dreams
@@feszty nope....this is reality. maybe u just can't accept that. lol
This is the reality, all weapons made by Russia are against the US & NATO, while the US & NATO are against Arab countries whose technology is not as advanced as Russia. Greetings from Planet Mars
Please stop drinking alcohol
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@@niceguy76 the KA-52 is a toy compared to the Cobra gunship. Plus, the KA-52 was never used against NATO, so I have no idea where you get that from.
KA-52 is totally a different type of helicopter than the Apache. The comparision between Mi-28 with Apache is realistic thinking.
Yes, but the Ka-52 is the helicopter Russia is using in Ukraine right now so it's getting a lot of attention, hence this video.
MI-28 would win over the Apache, no doubt
@@udontknowme7798 The Mi-28 looks impressive enough. I would still take the AH-64 but that's because I have flown it and know what it can do, or more to the point what the D model could do, the E apparently is better.
no one said had to be same type or similar so stop avoiding the question
@@joshuaalistair3193 someone big-noting themselves, no one gives a fuck little boy
There is a video where the ka52 damaged its tail and it calmly flies to the base, imagine what would happen to an apache with a damaged tail.
And how did its tail get damaged again? Ffs...
@@TrevorSachko missle uk shot to it and it still fly
@@TrevorSachko from manpads
@@SonElliot The whole thing is on video, numbnuts. There was no missile.
Saw that video. The tail was gone but the Ka52 managed to return to base safely. Helicopters with tail rotors will spin uncontrollably.
RUSKO KA 52 ALIGATOR RÝCHLOST 352 KM BOJOVNOSŤ NESKUTOČ ČNÁ SILA NA NEBI SUPER STROJ 👍 🤔
Apache and K-52 helicopters were really designed for two different combat functions. The Apache was designed for nap of the earth ambush attack. The K- 52 was designed for a higher reconnaissance attack mode. The idea of the K-52 was to attack from a distance and to spot targets for other ground systems. This is why the Apache has targeting pod on top of the rotor while the K-52 it's pod is underneath. Essentially the two helicopters will function best in different environments an terrain. Since the K-52 operates at higher altitudes the pilot ejection system makes sense while the Apache operating at low altitude does not have such a system (The Apache does have energy absorbing landing gear and seats to make nap of earth shoot downs more survivable.). Both helicopters would have trouble doing what the other helicopter is designed to do. Both are very good helicopters.
That is an excellent analysis of what their true purpose in combat is.
Apache is ana Attack helicopter and Alligator is a Flying tank.
lol this is wrong...Apache has a radar on top. Both have targeting pods on the front.
@ там танком и не пахнет, он простреливается с АК.
@@jgy4iydoshikсам лично обстреливал???😂😂😂
Apache has proved to be good in the use at shooting to small armed insurgents and donkeys. Watch the KA52 in real combat in Ukraine against real war machines.
- Ye, watch how dozens of those this paper tigers burning in Ukrainian fields being shot down even with AK's - don't miss it!
@@hztn😂 source ?
@@javiergonzalez12138
- Lol, dude, youtube is full of it's crashed corpses, also a downing footage. Also a few captured Ka-52 where sent to USA for laughing, ahah.
@@hztn no sources lmao but why arent abrams in ukraine because they get captured 😉
@@javiergonzalez12138
- Looks like you did search in a lakhtapidor trashhole, hahah.
The KA 52 is made for the today's battlefield, with a focus on long range ambushes, while the Apache is a Cold War relic, where Manpads weren't as prevalent/advanced.
Cold war relic, ROFLMAO!!! The KA-52's first flight was in 1982 during the cold war so bring it and watch our Blackhawks eat them for a snack! And if the KA-52 is "made for today's battlefield" why are Ukrainians shooting them down with Stingers and MANPADS? Take your cold war relic Russian garbage and stick it where the sun don't shine, I'm sure it will fit with room to spare!
Апачи проходил немало модернизаций, и учитывался опыт использования его в различных конфликтах по типу Ирака или Афганистана, а там поверь было немало различных пзрк и пво. Апач имеет хорошую электронику, бронирование, ракеты и скорость, называть его пережитком холодной войны такое себе, вполне боеспособный и эффективный ударный вертолёт
@@ghakon684 It was a bit exaggerated, yes. And you are right, these vehicles get upgrades with latest tech all the time. I bet the US army is having an eye (or two) on the conflict to see how things are going and how new devices like drones are changing the dynamics of the battlefield, so they can retrofit their stuff accodingly.
spot on
@@oskart4237 ROFLMAO
Man I'd love to fly the Ka-52!
Great if you're on a suicide mission.
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Ukraine has a few after slapping Russia and taking them
Rip off Apache.
@@TodaysDemocrat Ukraine doesn't have any and while they may slap Russia, Russia is punching Ukraine.
In my opinion, both cars are good, comparing them "head-on" is incorrect. Apache is trying to close the entire range of tasks of attack helicopters with one machine of different modifications, and the crocodile always has a friend "Cheburashka" (Mi-28) nearby.
The Ka-52 is certainly a "tough nut to crack" - we all saw him calmly return home with his tail torn off, who accompanied him? Most likely it is the Mi-28, they have been working in pairs for a long time.*
*По-моему обе машины хороши, сравнение их "лоб в лоб" некорректно. Апач пытается закрыть весь спектр задач ударных вертолётов одной машиной разных модификаций, а у "крокодила" всегда есть друг "чебурашка" (Ми-28) рядом.
Ка-52, безусловно "крепкий орешек" - все мы видели, как он с оторваным хвостом спокойно домой вернулся, кто его сопровождал? Скорее всего именно Ми-28, они давно парами работают.
Этот не стабилизированный полёт сопровождал эвакуатор (эвакуационная команда на Ми-17). Часть балки разрушило дополнительными топливным баком при его неудачном сбросе.
Logical thinking,and still tested in action.
After seeing the performance of alligator in Ukraine you now know it surpasses apache by far.
I saw how he was shot down with anti-tank systems, indeed, in this regard, he surpassed Apache 😂
It's been reported that the KA52 has had a total of 170 units built. Approximately 75 of them were "sent" to Ukraine. Of those 75, 37 have been shot down. Some performance, eh, 50% kill ratio.
@@glenatgoogle4393
37 have been shot down, only in the first few months of the war.
Now these choppers are back in action on the Zaparozhye front, and have been used to devastating effect, with no losses this time. That’s because of the new tactics by the Russian pilots. You should’ve seen them take out the Leopard 2s and Bradleys, those so-called Western “indestructible wunderwaffens”.
@@aarontheaviationaddict3643 "first few months"??? The latest, excluding the one Wagner took out, was May 23, 2023. Prior to that April 10, prior that March 16th. First few months? Really? Granted they've improved their tactics (stand off 10 or so miles and shoot longer range laser guided missiles ) but your assertion that only in the first few months is silly. Let me add that the 37 are only CONFIRMED entries. There may have been still more. Still, the confirmed entries yields a 50% kill ratio. March 16th was in Zaporizhzhia Oblast
@@glenatgoogle4393
Before we get sidetracked, we are discussing the performance of the Ka-52, which means the full potential of the Ka-52. So while you may be right about the additional losses, those losses were the result of poor use.
Now, during the Ukrainian Zaparozhye offensive, this is where the Ka-52s are unleashing their full potential, hence why I’m mentioning the Zaparozhye front. Also, there’s footage of a Ka-52 that had dodged 16 Stingers before finally getting hit on the tail, and the crew still managed to fly that thing back to base.
Please note that the Ka-52s are currently engaging a powerful enemy supplied with modern, strong air defences from NATO. The AH-64 Apache meanwhile has had only engaged weak and ill-equipped forces and insurgents with little to no air defences. And even then, we’ve had multiple cases of Apache losses. So why hype up the Ka-52 losses when the Apache also suffered losses?
The KA52 can take a hammering, is slightly quicker and more maneuverable. It's real advantage is if it gets so badly hit, the pilot and crew can still survive by ejecting and live to fly and fight another day. In the same scenario, the Apache pilot/crew is doomed to go down with the helicopter. If I was spending the money, I would definitely not buy the Apache if given the option of the KA52.
ka52 is dropping like flies
@@dew7025 yeah right. Bring the evidence.
@@SailingRhapsode the pilots died the missile approach warning system is junk on the ka52 it deployed flares after it was already hit
@@dew7025 there i no evidence that the KA52 is "dropping like flies" as you said.
@@SailingRhapsode did you not see the video? I can send more cope
Кто дотянет до своей базы с поля боя после выполнения задачи,тот и победил
It's a rip off Apache.
Well, the Ka-52 is less likely make it back because Ivan the conscript was too drunk to perform basic maintenance and traded the fuel for more vodka.
Ha sikerrel végezte el a feladatát akkor nyert. Ha csak letudta úgy ahogy, az csak kettes alá.
@@unoriginalname4321 try again with a harder cope
The KA-52 is a killing machine.
Apache would be more comparable to the MI 28 Havok, the Ka 52 is in a different class.
To what "different" class? Both helicopters are positioned as reconnaissance and attack helicopters. It's just that the US has nothing better than this tin can. However, the Mi-28 will also, without a doubt, kick the Apache's ass.
Mi-28
Weight, kg:
- empty: 7890
- normal takeoff: 10900
-maximum takeoff: 12100
Engine type: 2 x GTD VK-2500P
- power, kW: 2 x 1838
maximum speed, km/h: 324
Cruise speed, km/h: 265
Ferry range, km: 1105
Practical range, km: 500
Rate of climb, m/min: 816
Practical ceiling, m: 5600
Static ceiling, m: 3600
Crew, people: 2
Armament: 1 x 30 mm 2A42 cannon with 300 rounds
UAV control capability.
The alligator is a rip off Apache.
@@OLEG-gt2yt Russia needs you to teach their chopper pilots because in Ukraine if it flies it DIES! SLAVA Stinger missile!!! SLAVA UKRAINI!!!
@@living-wellon-less5669 иди на хуй со своей украиной. везде суете свои нацистские приветсвия. заебали всех уже
And the winner is the K A.
Apache doesn't have an ejection system and a cabin reservation, so Apache is a flying coffin. Apache was created to fight against virtually unarmed.
More reason to respect the commitment of the the crew to be elite and survive. ah64 can fire miles away and even from behind cover proven effective
@@jasonstickitmoore The crew of the AH-64 Apache helicopter tried to repeat the trick of the Ka-52 pilots and crashed the helicopter.
A few hours ago, the crew of a Greek AH-64 Apache combat helicopter was spotted performing strange maneuvers. Apparently, the crew of the combat helicopter tried to perform a complex trick similar to the one that was recently demonstrated by the crew of the Ka-52 attack and reconnaissance helicopter. However, either due to insufficient maneuverability of the NATO helicopter, or due to pilot error, the rotorcraft could not gain altitude in time and crashed into the water.
@@jasonstickitmoore The crew of the AH-64 Apache helicopter tried to repeat the trick of the Ka-52 pilots and crashed the helicopter.
A few hours ago, the crew of a Greek AH-64 Apache combat helicopter was spotted performing strange maneuvers. Apparently, the crew of the combat helicopter tried to perform a complex trick similar to the one that was recently demonstrated by the crew of the Ka-52 attack and reconnaissance helicopter. However, either due to insufficient maneuverability of the NATO helicopter, or due to pilot error, the rotorcraft could not gain altitude in time and crashed into the water.
How many pilots ejected in Ukraine? None.
@@jorgegonzalez-pv8mv Because even hit badly the pilots always managed to land or make it to the base due to coaxial rotor system. Beside Ka 52 has more protection armour.
If you want to fly and make butter at the same time the KA 52 is your weapon of choice.
I think most countries drool over ka-52 for years now
It's a rip off Apache.
@@tn-titan6159 maybe USA should spend some money on making better ones then and sell them to countries so they can test them in conflicts around the globe and later share combat data to maker , this is how arms industry works pretty much , USA has f22 and f35 but does not have combat data on any of them f22 shot down a balloon while Russia has vast amounts of combat data on their airplanes + bombers , also USA when designing new airplanes for decades now has very bad behaviour of releasing too much information to the public because of these information acts and adversaries can take this information and use it against USA , there are countries like Russia and China where no one knows a Jack shit about new systems also France and Norway are very secretive
KA 52 Alligator all the way ! Tried and true in a REAL fight !
The alligator is a rip off Apache. The New AH64E comes out in 2028. This is one of our oldest helicopters lol
@@JC4Life32028? Azt meg is kell élni. Imádkozz jézushoz, talán sikerül megélned.
@@sandorkovacs4078don’t pray to Jesus pray to the One who created Jesus in the stomach of his honourable mother. No God comes out of woman’s lower part.
@@az6877What is wrong with you?
Both are lethal warmachines in paper, but only the Ka-52 has actual experience against modern armor, which is going pretty good for it so far.
Really? Actuality tells a different story. 60 dead 52's tell a similar story.
Lol Apaches sniped tanks in the gulf wars
@@hewydewy2164Would that be tanks with absolutely no air defence systems, O yes that’s correct, and let’s not forget the US had air superiority.
@@hewydewy2164 keyword "modern"
Wrong , the apache has a longer , more proven battle record . It has destroyed plenty of the Russian tanks . Also have to consider the US always gains air superiority first on the battle field.
We forgot to mention that the KA-52 is the only helicopter that has a crew ejection system. The rest of the helicopters are flying coffins.
There’s not one video that shows this Russian ejection system being used successfully or if it even works correctly - who in their right mind would actually attempt this - oh yeah Russia, the mighty Russian Military
@@KingofDoubleBogey The Ka-52 is a completely Soviet development. And the Soviet documentation provides for a crew rescue system. How this is implemented in hardware is unknown, because the Russian military-industrial complex is not Soviet. But I think if the USSR had lived a little longer, we would have seen it. The USSR has not been with us for thirty years... but the mighty Soviet military-industrial complex still gives the West a shit. By the way, Russia has not even started to develop something of its own... all Russian new weapons are Soviet developments.
Alligator fought in a real war while Apache is only tested against unarmed civilian population.
In other words the Russian beats the hell out of the Apache in all the important requisites 😂😂😂😂 the fire power of the beast is impressive!
I wonder how many Russian troops will surrender and cry on camera today? Lol
@@TodaysDemocrat You should signed up to the military. Gen. Milley would love to receive you with open heart! you guys can throw a drag queen party to the troops in Ukraine. They need moral support to keep sending troops to die.
@@ele4853 Trump 2024
@@ele4853 The alligator is a rip-off Apache.
@@TodaysDemocrat Unfortunately, the whole election system is rigged and we all know that. Have you seen what Katie Lake exposed? Why is it that the big guy never went out to do campaigns? He know he was going to "win". As he did. Yea right! tell me lies I love it LOL many already try to address the problem with the corrupt machines and software and the "system" said. There's no time to change the software. Really? off course not. The election 2024 is already rigged. BTW, votes don't win election. Donors and software do the job. Terrible. America is done my friend. Tyrants took over and they are going to control every single aspect of ours lives from now on. This is just the beginning. The big guy and his son has committed so many crimes. Arrest Trump! WOW! yes, this is America today. Beautiful to not say the contrary.
Weakest point of the apache is its tail rotor while the KA-52 can fly without its tail.
The KA-52 was not designed to fly without its tail, yet it can. The Apache was not designed to fly without its tail, yet it can. BTW, every Apache I can think of that was shot down was not hit in the tail.
Good pilots don't get hit. That's why we didn't bother because we don't plan on taking direct hits.
KA-52 is a crap.
@@ExDemocrat123 Thank you for clarifying that America has a lot of bad pilots then. In fact, some of our best pilots must have been bad pilots after all. I really do like it when people like you can come around to help us understand things.
@@tongobong1 Why?
Apache is a very good attack helicopter but was always used only with the privilege of air superioritiy. And in the most cases against enemies without almost any air defense systems. Ka-52 Alligator is active in the middle of the hornets nest against all kind of Soviet and NATO air defenses...and it is very very successful. The Apache has not the amount of modern shot vehicles than the Alligator. The Ka-52 is by far the most effective Helicopter today.
The KA 52 gets knocked out of the sky every time it flies near Ukrainian positions. Some have even been shot down with Javelins---which aren't even designed for low-flying aircraft! Every Russian pilot who flies a KA 52 should make sure his last will and testament are up to date, and that he has already picked out his coffin.
@@jamesreese1999 is that what you heard from Ukrainian Leopard 2 crews? 😂😂😂😂Don't embarrass yourself! Next time they tell you that they shot down a Tie Fighter, a death star and a black hole.
@@jamesreese1999только почему то украина проигрывает и прячет остатки авиации в Румынии вот так страна победитель это ваша украина
@@jamesreese1999 You tell this nonsense to your grandmother in the kitchen on dark Ukrainian evenings. Don't wishful thinking.
KA 52 is Best now....with Aoache being the second....
Ka52🔥
That's a visual representation of how they catch fire easily?
@@diclo383 I believe it is
The Apache performs well in movies & against goat herders while the KA 52 performs well on the battlefield
Prove me. Where?
@@sealoftheliving4998 Apache is a toy. The Alligator is now practically untouchable, with a new Vitebsk-25 EW system. Recently, in Ukraine, survived 18 missiles attacks, not a scratch -- in a real war. The Apache is good with goats...
OK Russian fanboy how come the Russians cant achieve air superiority, and have not advance given the mighty Alligator. Get real, ask every country with Russian hardware that faced US military power how they fared.
@@jgarbo3541 😂You're funny a year in in Ukraine that does not have attack helicopters nor a real airforce and Russia is still where they started over a year ago. So explain to us why with this great attack helicopter they've done no damage to Ukrainian ground forces. Just another Armata all hype.
@@yanksbiglywvil This is not the counter offensive you clown its probing Russian defenses, by the way how's the great Russian military doing when they cant top a small rebel force from reaching Moscow, hell they gave up nearly there. Russia is a military joke, like you.
I would also add that for the price of 1 Appatch Apache AH64, you can buy 15 Alligators KA 52
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No you can't. The apache was $3,000,000 more per unit. 35 to 32 million each
Ka52 is the winner.
No. KA-53 don’t win, Don’t good combat war.. AH-64 high quality course combat war..
But looses in battle. Zero combat rating, the kiddies helicopter
@@bikechainmicBradley getting destroyed by kamov, literally a video of thermal sight on the web
Yeah the Ka 52 is cool and all but its lacking the 30mm grenade Launcher like the Apache that can be used to mow down civilians and journalists
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Lol
awesome!
It has a missile that can take out a tank at 100 km. Didn't see that coming did you, neither did the tanks.
@@denkeylee what is that missile called ? 💀
Like USA in Iraq?
Ka52 is way ahead compared to Apache..... And time tested beast....
It would be closer comparison with Mi-28 Night Hunter KA -52 is another level
These are both strong systems however neither are immune to modern manpad / AA systems. The Apache has not really fought an modern advanced foe like the KA-52 is doing atm.
To be fair i think which ultimately is better is more dictated by crew doctrine and skill as well as tactics and not the least support and overall joint forces cooperations etc play a massive part.
Neither of these are wonder weapons.
One thing that has impressed me though is how sturdy the KA-52 is and has really shown the advantages or having a coacial rotor system as they don't spin out of controll as fast as the more conventional helicopters designs like the Apache, Hind and Havoc and seems to have a much higher chance of a controlled crashlanding. I would not be surprised if we see new western helicopter designs with that pop up after seeing this in Ukraine.
You forgot to mention the ejection seats of the Ka-52, unlike the Apache. Training a good pilot is expensive, so the Russians took care of their pilots. There's probably an excess of pilots in the states, they don't need catapults.
The alligator is a rip off Apache.
The Apache can stay hidden miles away and hit targets with precision. KA 52s can't do that.
(Apache Hellfire anti-tank missiles have a range of more than 3.7 miles and can penetrate the armor of any known main battle tank) wonder why it's called the Apache? You can't see it or hear it.
@@Jacob-bj6bm The KA-52 can exactly do that too. The Apache is a fantastic platform but just as vulnerable as a KA-52 on a modern battlefield
@@XCougar85X on paper KA-52 is great. In reality it is crap like everything that Russian army industry produced in the last 40 years. You can see a video of KA-52 losing its tail in the middle of the flight.
У Апача богатый боевой опыт. По количеству расстрелянных свадебных и похоронных процессий ему равных нет. А также по количеству убитых ослов и пастухов. Можно ли считать грозящий в небо кулак крестьянина и его проклятия - средством ПВО?
You forget the reporter of Reuters killed and showed by Asange
Действительно хороший вопрос. Если подумать, афганские пещерные люди, вооруженные AK47, отдали свои задницы янки и были вознаграждены кучей новеньких игрушек...
Esas chatarras solo atacan a países pobresitos sin armas poderosas y ni así an podido tener victoria viva Rusia muerte Alós gringos patria libre o morir
Спасибо тебе брат!
@@user-jj2my6dl1q Миллионы европейцев поддерживают Россию. КСТАТИ, что не так с Вагнером, действительно ли Шойгу бомбил их лагеря?
KA -52 is my admired weapon
Apache fights against insurgents whose most lethal weapon is RPG while ka-52 takes ona. Country's army with SAM
There was a video of a ka-52 flying with its tail torn of. This is already unthinkable for an apache.
yeah, but apaches are still flying. same can't be said about almost half of russian ka-52s fleet. just stating the obvious with deepening in the propaganda around the chopper, like russia did with the t-14 armata and the failure the su-57 fellon is.
@@Maddog-xc2zv I don't remember the US using Apache in a conflict where its opponent had military donations more than the entire US military budget...
@@dmitrimikrioukov5935 The amount of money, equipment, modern technology, high speed internet, drones, now imagine if Afghanistan had all this support, i dont think US would stay there for more than a month, Russia is doing great against all this modern technology, our news said that Russia wont last for more than a few month, its been more than a year and they still there, at this pace Russia will bankrupt everyone, because we are feeling the pain already, our money taken down and sent to Ukraine.
@@dmitrimikrioukov5935 no one else hsa such budget, not even china is close to those figures. Russia then... you seem to continue to think you're still living the days of the long gone (30 years more or less) USSR and the Varsow Pact. Russias seems to be in need of a bath of reality and I believe you're really getting it with the negative results of the war on Ukraine, euphemistecaly called Special Military Operation when was a (failled) full scale invasion. Wake up to the XXIst century.
I like the KA 52 better. More weapons & better performance
no u got it wrong ...apache have more weapons ... and better weapons ... ka-52 can have just more different type of weapons(on paper)
The different is the ATGM. Both are good but America one is too expensive. 111k for single hellfire? While rusia with vikhr only 30k-35k
I found america war equipments to be highly overpriced. I think having limitless budget kinda shape this mindset.
Össze lopják az árát a jenkik, azért terrorizálják a világot.
Don't ever compare this US paper tiger to Russian realdeal
I see u post All the time commie USA military best in the world slaughter Russia in a week
I wonder how many Russian troops will surrender and cry on camera today? Lol
@@robertdemaree2165He's upset Russia soldiers are crying on TV waiving white flags. Lol
Don't ever compare that rip off Apache to the real thing! 🇺🇲
@@THEREareTWoGENDERS2это вобще две разные системы и близко не плагиат
You can not compare them so far the apache just fought goat sheeppers ,farmers and civilians in a van , in documentaries and movies also performed well
hahaha
And they are great at killing children, remember Assange and "collateral murder" !
Right, then why is Russia struggling in Ukraine that does not have attack helicopters or an airforce. Meanwhile Russia is doing such a great job that its mercenaries tried a coup.
@@tonyradoina9147 - abc, for illiterate adults: russians use only some 10% of their forces in Ukr ! The rest is kept in reserve for a potential, much bigger war with NATO.
Facts for you: they have over 3500 jets, in Ukr they use only 2-300 !
b) not "mercenaries" who try a coup, but a small detachment of Prigozhin loyal one, under 1000 guys. Do you really think you could take Moscow with 1000 guys ?! If you do think so, search for medical help.
PS - Ukr DID HAVE an air force, kid ! Guess what - they lost ALL of them (99%) then they lost couple hundreds more ( those sent by ex East Eu NATO countries ! ) !
Here, educate yourself: "The IISS assesses the overall force size as 817 aircraft of all types and 43,100 personnel. The aviation corps had actually be reorganised into regional air ..."
That ALL was wiped out, and score some hundreds more from external help.
@@mirandela777 hahahaha "10% of their forces"
Ka 52 stopped the Rebellion with one shot.
This is like comparing bananas and oranges , two completely different helicopters
Апач не вертолёт поля боя.За счёт снижения броневой нагрузки он может нести больше вооружения. Ка-52 более универсален и живуч. Так что одно дело носорог,другое - бегемот....Дурость,правда?
I like KA 52 helicopter. The best one......❤
A helicopter with coaxial rotors has relatively small dimensions, is quite compact, which simplifies its maintenance, storage, transportation, and expands its scope. Small dimensions, reducing the mass difference, create small moments of inertia, so the helicopter has high angular speeds of rotation and high maneuverability. The symmetrical layout with minimal propeller spacing simplifies piloting in gusty wind conditions, which is especially valuable when working from ships or in mountainous terrain. No bulky tail
Truth of the matter is manpads of any brand, will bring down helicopters, regardless what kind. The Coaxial heli's which is more a Russian design than Western, has been used on their carriers in the past.I am not sure if it increases speed. But to me, side by side cockpit presents a wider target for froontal attack.
theres a video of a ka52 pilot who stumbles on a madpads truck and bc he cant swing the nose canon had to contiue out in egress and couldnt suppress or anything and this cause him to get nailed!!!! apaches is better!!!!
@@sherainagustus9529 There's also a documented event when an Apache was brought down by a single shot from a world war 2 rifle. And there's a video where a KA-52 took multiple MANPADS hits, kept flying but the pilot had to eventually land safely in a field. KA-52 is better!!!
@@necsoiub that documented apache thing was debunked i know the ne you talking about
@@necsoiub ka 52 is not on level with ah64 for a buncha reasons
Ka-52 can fly over HELL and come back....
Well, KA-52 showed the real stuff in recent days. Those Leopard tanks had no chance.
there was a chance - not to come to the place of combat contact.
@@OLEG-gt2yt Indeed.
Yes! 😁 Be sure you still say how good it is as quickly as possible because 37 are already shut down.
It is obvious why they designed the ejection seats!
Russia is a 🤡
Yeah those tractors were an easy target ;)
tanks hit mines and that's it
Apache is better compared to Mi-28. Ka-52 is in a league of its own with active protection, dual-rotor advantages (agility, speed, survivability), pilot ejection system, etc.
It's a rip off Apache.
@@tn-titan6159 where? Ka-52 is totally different concept
37 alligators shot down in this conflict. How many pilots ejected? According to photos not many, they were dead in the air. It's a flying coffin, just like any other russian vehicle. Do you know why kamov decided to put the pilots side-by-side instead of tandem? There's a special reason for it. Kamov's studies told that pilots are more willing to fly to their deaths when they can look each other eye to eye.
@@arikauraniemi9383если ка 52 с бронированной кабиной и с катопультой летающий гроб то что тогда апач да и любой другой вертолёт?
@@arikauraniemi9383Vicces meglátás, de harc közben jobban tudnak kommunikálni, ez is egy előnye.
Pilot skill and training is a huge detail as well
The Iraqi armed forces turned out to be better equipped than the Afghan formations, which is why in just over four years (from March 2003 to July 2007), NATO forces lost 31 AH-64 helicopters of various modifications.
Fake News.
that's actually pretty good, opposed to what the Russians have lost in a year.
@@NotOnDrugs This is only in Iraq, Apaches are only good to fight against unarmed, the US has not yet given them to Ukraine because they are afraid that someone from the ak 47 will collect this scrap metal.
@@NotOnDrugs Ukrainians are not Iraqi and weapon not the same
@@NotOnDrugs how big a brain do you need to have to compare the Iraqi air defense (what the Soviet Union gave them) and the air defense of Ukraine, which received the second largest piece of the army and weapons of the Soviet Union?
The KA52 is the winer. This is my expert opinion based on their stats and avaliable video reports.
The AH-64 is the winner. This is my expert opinion having flown it in combat.
@@joshuaalistair3193 the ka52 is the winner.this is my expert opinion based on what i see on youtube and internet footage
@@playaz7777 Having called in Apache's in multiple theaters, Desert Storm, Panama, Haiti and a few I can't freaking mention.. I SAW an Apache take out a Hind and a Hip & recently a KA-52 in Syria as it just wasn't armed with Air to Air and the Apache got behind it and gunned it down. Apache pilots, damn the platform, are of higher quality which is what matters. But what do I know, I'm just a stupid MARSOC Marine with 38 years of calling in birds experience. I'm telling you, pound for pound, Hind's included, there isn't a heart flying a Russian helicopter that our platform and training and the absolute audacity of our pilots, it's no match... Just it's easier than training watching it real, first hand, no videos needed. Semper Fi..
Boy, the Russians sure love their contra rotating propellers/rotors and they’re good at it!
Why do you even make such a comparison when everyone knows KA 52 is a far better chopper?
And all this Russians have achieved with 10 times less budget than the USA. Could only imagine what all they could have done with the €800 billions budget. Mind-blowing 🤯
As per comparison, Kaa the Russian helicopter has superiority over US Apache.
Oh? How so?
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@@joshuaalistair3193 you really know jack shit
Not necessarily. We don't have quite enough combat info on the KA-52. The Apache did very well in both wars in Iraq. It looks like the Russians are taking heavier losses of what I consider to be a great helicopter, the KA
@@mattdowning7281 Sure, but you can't say the Ka-52 is better or worse based upon some losses in Ukraine. Ukraine has weapons that Iraq and Afghanistan didn't have so you would expect higher losses, even if it were the Apache the Russians were flying instead of the Ka.
Basically, the Apache only has experience of fighting third-world rebels, on low-intensity battlefields, without modern AA systems. If the tail is hit, the pilot has no chance of survival
У повстанцев было много пзрк, а армия Ирака имела лучшую систему ПВО на Ближнем Востоке. Тактика американцев: подавить системы пво противника, и спокойно летать, это позволяет огромное количество авиации и ракет в арсенале
I can feel these 2 helicopter is being compared by the comments and i am all for it.
KA is a war machine Apache is a fancy toy.
apache is used in combat against t72s and russian equipment to great effect
the fire and forget hellfires are way better than the russian missiles you can hide after firing
The K52 looks more like a bomber than a helicopter
The winner is definitely KA-52
Oh? Why is that?
No, KA-52 don’t win in Ukraine war.. KA-52 poor.. AH-64 high quality course combat war..
Апач воевал против моджахедов в шлёпанцах с ржавыми калашами, а КА-52 уже год разьёбует всю самую передовую технику НАТО и США. Так что же лучше - красивая картинка или реальный боец?
Apache won in propaganda and k52 just is the nightmare Otan in Ukraine
you're 100% correct in fact the K-52 is far superior to the Apache in all aspects . in conclusion the Apache could never be compared to the K-52 any expert on attack helicopters will confirm it
У ка-52 даже катапульт есть для двух пилотов и винты отстреливаться. Ну какой апачи?
что то этого в Украине не замечал. разваливались на запчасти.а от пилотов один пепел оставался.
@@osbourne3084 ты это видел как разваливается?
@@user-wp5zw8qp4t конечно.от стингера одни запчасти остаются.
I'm old. I remember the old Microprose Apache sim / game in the 90's. I remember "Ultimate" difficulty. That is what thw KA-52 is currently doing in Ukraine, with strong results and easily replaceable / tolerable losses, every single mission.
I wonder how many Russian troops will surrender and cry on camera today? Lol
@@tn-titan6159Nem csak kíváncsi vagy, de marhaságokat is beszélsz.
No contest, KA 52 is a much superior machine in all possible domains, they even have ejector seats.....
its missile approach warning system is useless it dumped flares after being already hit by a missile LOL
Where are Ka52 in Ukraine? Ukrainians smoke them, just like other russian trsh from sky.
@@Jessie_James850 you sound like the local imbecile, go read a book and educate yourself
- No they don't have ejection seats - that's another russian lie and propaganda.
@@hztn 🤡🤡🤡
Apache is getting long in the tooth. Looks like the Russians have the edge in attack helicopters now. Where the Apache has the longbow to designate targets as a scout the KA-52 can link to drones as scouts and designate and lock with laser so KA-52 can be used as a missile truck from 10km out.
The alligator is a rip off Apache. The new AH64E comes out in 2028.
@@tn-titan6159 that nice that the new Apache comes out. There is nothing even remotely a copy of the Apache in the KA-52, you you have eyes or are you blind?
@@mikevars8979 Nothing Russia has matches the technology of American aircraft. Put down the vodka.
@@tn-titan6159 Western superiority complex. It has always been a back and forth technology race. While we were distracted by counter insurgency Russia and China we're catching up and surpassing us. The Apache is long in the tooth and doesn't have the superior edge it once had.
@@tn-titan6159 🤣 what the overpriced and problem riddled F-35. Please you need to get over your western superiority complex. We have not always been the best and we slipped this time.
There is no way Apache can compete with Alligator in the field. Syria region has proven both performances.
According to this comparison KA52 is better, esp due to ejection seat
the Apache helicopter fought war against who? against shepherds in Afghanistan and Iraq?
yes. meanwhila ka52 fought against mightest nato weapons and leopard 2 and shit lol and won
One fundamental issue is coaxial rotary systems take a lot of maintenance. The gear boxes are complex and prone to ware.
not an issue if they have the maintenance industry.
wear
lol complex gearbox? the ka52 has a turboshaft engine, it does not need gearboxes.
07:11 - it's GRYAZEV-Shipunov cannon, (GSh 2А42). They worked together since always.
Wonder what the maintenance per hours of flight is
Ka-52 is at war with Zu-23-4, Gepard, Arrow, Stinger and so on
AH-64 is fighting with dudes with AK47, whose air defense is a DShK attached to a donkey.🤣🤣🤣
and ka-52 still successful against those threats.
As a retired CW3, I firmly believe that the Apache has an upper hand since the U.S. does not own or operate the KA-52. However, if we hypothesize a scenario where the U.S. operates the KA-52, and the two helicopters go head-to-head with U.S. pilots, I predict a 50-50 outcome in terms of aerial engagements. The KA-52 is indeed a formidable machine. Yet, lessons from the Ukrainian conflict with Russia underscore that efficacy in warfare is not solely reliant on sophisticated machinery. It’s equally, if not more, dependent on a well-trained military force.
KA 52 is a fkn monster!!
I think KA52 top speed is up to 400km/h, not 315.
КА-52 может при необходимости заменять на поле боя даже СУ-25
he maximum speed was 350 km/h, but it was impractical. max recommended 310 km/h
KA 52 the real air hunter!
I MUCH rather be in a ka52. It’s by far the most survivable attack helicopter. Not only will it not go into a death spiral it also has ejection seats
KA 52 Alligator has injection seat... amazing
is that so the pilots can get their drug fixes?
Ka52 is deadly and beautiful
Ugly junk.
KA 52 is the world unmatched attack helicopter I've ever seen and proven a US proxy war in Ukraine a superb dominance air power superiority.
Russia started this war.
LoL. How many have crashed & burned in Ukraine? Too many to keep track.
@@Tam0de 37 have been documented. Plus Prigozhin's group shot down at least one while they were traveling toward Moscow.
@@glenatgoogle4393 yeah yeah ... ukraine claims to shoot them , without any proof , according to thier own data russia had 20 ka52 in service , ukraine claims to shoot down at least 2000 of those 20 , and not long ago those non existing helicopters decimated leopard 2 and bradley tanks in a catastrophic long awaited offensive ....
keep dreaming
Russia has lost a third of it's entire KA52 fleet to an enemy with a small, outdated airforce and some portable anti-air rockets.
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I trust the KA52 superior than the Apache. You can see in UA-cam how the KA52 can take few manpad round and yet still flying doing his sortie. If Apache it would already have crashed earlier.
- Ok, give me a link to a vid vith couple manpads hits, cause everywhere it downed with one hit.
So, what is a few MANPAD rounds? Do MANPADs even have rounds? What Ka52 has taken a few (meaning three or more) MANPADs and flown back home? While I have no doubt that the Ka may survive a single MANPAD hit, I highly doubt they would survive two MANPAD hits let alone a few. Also, the Apache, like the Ka, can survive a MANPAD hit. Like the KA, it all depends where the missile hits.
@@hztnвраг
how great is bradley on the desert battlefield, but why on the ukraine battlefield is bradley so easy to destroy😁😁😁😁
It's all about the shoes. The Russians are shod in army and tactical boots, they don't have rubber flip-flops like the rebels in the desert.😉😉😉😊😊😊
@@OLEG-gt2ytspeaking of shoes. Russian military can't even afford Boots for their men anymore. Lol.
I wonder how many more Russians will surrender and cry on TV today... Lol
Mert Ka-52 vadászik rájuk. Nincs esélyük.
its true they have hipersonic shovels.....
KA-52 any day and any place
Both can get upgrades, sensors, better weapons...etc...but I prefer the KA52. So far, those who test their equipment in real combat against equal adversary, know better how to...
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Apache is better looking and in my opinion, the helmet tracking is a nice advantage but aside from that the KA 52 beats it every where else with that being said there's no huge advantage on either side so i think it comes down to the skills of the pilot
It's a rip off Apache anyway.
@@THEREareTWoGENDERS2 When you want to cope just say its a rip off lol
I believe that Egypt is the only country in the world that operates both models, 50 Apache AH64 & 46 KA 52 Alligator
The Apache has been upgraded five times. Mean SOBs. And pilot skills matter. The KA-52 is much newer. The ability to look and fire is awesome.
But that KH-52 is superior head to head if they know how to fight.
Theres some up and down between these choppers, the pilot on the k-52 can control the guns and shoot like a jet. Now the apache can only fire the guns by the second seater only which sucks ass now inmagine there is only one person in each of these choppers and go at it in close range dog fight who will win? The k-52 will win.
Все системы управления огнём дублируются у обоих пилотов
Yo elijo el k52 ya solo el hecho de no usar rotor de cola le dan mayor rango de súper vivencia en combate como se ve en el vídeo del k 52 q regresa a base si su cola trasera ! En Ucrania .
Apaches did not participate in the aggression against Serbia and Srna Gora in 1999, because they would have ended up like the invisible F-117 in the mud.
"KA-52 has four hard points under the wings" 🧐🤔🤓