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Dom2k can you make a video of great players who were overshadowed by other great people on their draft class Jordan[Hakeem Or great players took in the 2nd round [Draymond green
Excellent work as usual. I agree with your assessment about Lebron being the most scrutinized all-timer ever. However, part of the heavy criticism by Jordan supporters probably isn't just about the 6-0 vs. 3-5 debate....but rather Lebron not taking full advantage of his Heat tenure or 1st year back in Cleveland. Bird had help...Magic had help...Jordan had help...Shaq and Kobe had help...LBJ eventually got help. When being considered the GOAT...context is the deciding factor. Bottom line....once Jordan had the opportunity to play in championships...his teams won more than LBJ'S did. Star players on teams have always had to bear the burden of accepting the consequences of being the GOAT in a positive way...or negative way. The real question is why are we attempting to change this "player based" way of thinking in attempts to diminish what Jordan has done and ignore LBJ's failures by what matters the most.....wins over stats.
One thing Dom I will say you must up on is saying Kobe's team put him in position to stay and not leave like Lebron. But there was 4 years his team was absolutely horrible and another 4 years they were rebuilding and that leaves 8 years he went through trash BUT Lebron only didn't have talent in beginning years. Then they surrounded him with really good defensive player like the 01 76ers did to Ai and they did the same thing lost in the finals easily. Still good enough to go to the finals but he needed and kobe didn't have that those eight years. Then of course after that Lebron had 8 years of unbelievable talent. So to some up Kobe's worse team years versus Lebron's worse team years gives Lebron the lead in that category. Now Mj did have help his whole career and had no reason to leave to add to your argument. Just to put icing on cake is that Kobe requested a trade since the organzation didn't do anything. Other then that I liked the rest of your 5
Logic of LeBron haters: Scenario 1) LeBron goes to Miami to win some rings. "LeBron sucks. He has to be surrounded by all stars to win a championship. Can't win a ring without help." Scenario 2) LeBron stays in Cleveland surrounded by a scrub team. "LOL. LeBron sucks. He can't even carry his team to a championship."
Aw Ete this year he got injured so did his damn team before injury this team was 4th in the west lmfao u know what lebron is in the playoffs as well lol
KD joined a 73 win team that he blew a 3-1 lead in the WCF against. If anybody’s legacy deserves to be judged and criticized its KD for joining 3 all stars and arguably the greatest shooter of all time.
Kevin Willis your not understanding where ppl are coming from. Nobody is mad that he left nigga. Reread what I said all day so you can understand that. People hate his move bc of where he went not that he left. They were supposed to get to the finals that year and had a good shot in winning but he was half the reason they didn’t so he gives up on them and joins the 73-9 team that beat them like wtf nigga.
Ya Heard that was my biggest problem with KD in a nutshell, he jumps ship to the same team that knocked him off that prior summer. While someone else would be looking to get stronger for the rematch, KD threw up the white flag.
People dog on Melo for not leaving the Knicks to go to the Bulls to try to win and said he was just chasing money, yet some people dog on Lebron for leaving bad situations to win, make yall minds up
2007: Terrible team against a dynasty 2011: No excuses 2014: Fair 2015: Kyrie / Love injured 2017: KD joins Golden State 2018: Terrible team against a dynasty
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Fair? That series was a massacre. barely won 1 game.
2007: No fault of his 2011: Did something Jordan never did 2014: The Heat all of a sudden became such a bad team??? 2015: No fault of his 2017: Warriors were too much 2018: No where near the terrible team you claim to be. Kevin Love was an all-star and they made their 4 straight trip to the finals. At least get 1 win...
"He's not clutch" was a manmade criticism that didn't exists until Skip Bayless put it into people's minds. By then, we already saw him be clutch against the Wizards and the Detroit Pistons when Bayless introduce that narrative. Since then, it has been fuel for Lebron haters and Skip who continues to benefit talking shit about Bron, even though he secretly enjoys him.
Introduce? LeBron scores 8 points in a finals game lmfaoooo LeBron put that on himself and Skip won’t let him live it down. The series before he left for Miami his owner accused him of quitting on the team. Just because Skip places emphasis on more moments than others “manmade” nah it was pretty factual lol. But Skip be funny just trolling people sometimes but Stephen A says that if Skip says it he actually believes it and you can tell
He choked in 2011, but every other series or big game, hes been hands down the best player on the court. The more important the game, the better LeBron seems to play
lebron did his dues for playing 7 yrs with clev, kd however had 2 mvps (possibly HOF’ers) with a defensive player ibaka and now 2 HOF’ers with curry and klay and a dpoy. If lebron has those 2 begin with, yall think he’d leave?
Vincent Carter A few misconceptions here Durant played with Russ and Harden, however Harden was a 6th man he was not Hof caliber Clearly the Warriors are way better than anything the Thunder could ever offer not to mention that Steph>Russ, Klay>Harden(when he played for OKC, not the Houston version) and Draymond>Ibaka. Yes Durant was better off then Lebron, and Durant deserves all the hate he gets, however we all know the Thunder weren't winning anything with KD+Russ any time soon
BeingWokeTV No he wouldn't. He left Cleveland because they weren't going anything to put themselves in a position to win. And he went back to Cleveland because that was always his goal anyways, to win with Cleveland.
Okay not justifying KD's move but okc is a shit show. They traded away harden, Reggie Jackson, and ibaka left. They got rid of their head coach with a winning record. Let's be real here the ONLY reason Westbrook won MVP was because his team was trash and he stat padded. The man is one of the most inefficient players in the game. No one except Steph or maybe LeBron should be taking more shots than KD. Just saying, still a weak move but just don't act like he had great management.
"Those big moments aren't any less significant than Magic or Jordan having great teammates to make sure the games never really even came down to those moments" Wow, Dom. This was powerful.
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Except that its not true- Bron had D Wade and Bosh still lost to Mavs and Spurs. Lost to Orlando who only had 1 superstar and Didnt show up in last 2games vs Boston in 2010
there isnt a real reason at all, most of them are haters or they might like watchin kd more so they say hes better which is dumb. KD hasnt done anything Lebron has done, his first ring came from joining a 70 win team. When Bron joined Miami they were 47 win 5 seed, that OG cavs team was trash it was just him. KD had westbrook, harden, ibaka and a good bench and couldnt win.
undercover zach it’s because he hit a shot over Lebron and apparently that made him better. People just don’t understand that he won the finals because his team was better and he looked better because his responsibility was lessened while Lebron has to carry more so in some stretches, he doesn’t look all that fresh.
Also, can we acknowledge that that 2011 Mavericks teams swept the back-to-back Lakers and went 4-1 to a pretty good Thunder team. Not saying the Heat didn't choke that series, but that mavericks team was far from this "mega underdog" team people portray them as. They made it to the finals in the West after all.
They swept the Heat that year in the regular season too. That Mavs team wasn’t even the 1 or 2 seed that year either. That’s how good the West was back then. I just think people thought with 3 stars against 1, the Heat would win but the Mavs had a WAY better overall team.
ForgottenNYC if you actually watch the series, you'd know that lebron barely guarded Terry. So how is that on him exactly? Also, calling Jason Terry a "role player" to say he was not that good, shows just how little you actually know about basketball.
Absolute facts. This man is the best role model for the nba. Has an opinion, speaks about important things in society, gives millions to kids, never gambles, cheats or rape anyone. Just because he wanted out of a trash team is a bad person?
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Its because ppl feel hes always jumping ships to stack with other stars. All things aside, he is one of few black players who never gets in trouble, has sex with bunch of bitches. Doesnt have kids outside of marriage. So that should be respected
Im in between names. Suggest one if you want lol now we blaming kobe teammates but when lebron fans blame his teammates kobe fans never want to hear excuses
Alexred94 It was SUPPOSED to be 2009 bc they were both the favorites to come out of their respective conferences hands down. Hands down meaning even the League knew it and capitalized on it with a million puppet commercials hyping up the matchup. In 2011 after the Lakers were coming off of a Repeat, they weren't HEAVY favorites to come out of the West. Also Kobe had sustained some injuries and everyone knew his body was breaking down. In '09 LeBron won MVP and Kobe finished 2nd, everything was set up so perfectly. Kobe was already on the decline at that point so that's y 2011 isnt brought up.
minjod The same logic should be applied to MAKING the Finals then. Bron has never once in his career single handidly "carried" a team to the Finals on his own.
@@anthonythomas4836 Yo I know this is a year old but quarantine got me reading a fuck ton of comments and you've gotta be one of the stupidest people I've ever seen type
Lol the majority of Kobe’s career the social media aspect was not a factor. And even when it was beginning to be it is nothing compared to the toxicity it has exponentially blossomed to the last 5 years
Lucky? Even after his death, Kobe's name is being dragged through the mid and people don't have him in their top 10. Lol as if he wasn't the closest to MJ. I got MJ, Kareem, Kobe, LBJ, & Magic top 5 tho 💯
LeBron is literally the most hated NBA Superstar off all time. The reason is because he's the only one that can be considered the GOAT. For example if KD said he's was chasing the "Ghost of Chicago" people would laugh. (Because of what he did of course). But if LeBron does it; It's a real conversation. People just bash LeBron because they think Jordan was perfect.
Jack Mehoff hes chasing the king of akron the thanos thats why he eat his pride and go to gsw the team that make a biggest comeback down3 -1 😂😂😂 and also lose to finals cuz thy both choke thy need each other... but this 15th season leGOAT will reclaimed his throne and WIN the championship against them 73win gsw +kd 🔥🔥🔥🔥🐐 no one can deny his greatness now no kyrie no problem !!! lebron have a scary killer cluth shots hes very confident thy wont stop him now !!! #nbachamps2018cavs #finalsmvp #seasonmvp #allstarmvp #legoatbestseason
Martin Macaskill Jordan’s fade-away are cool and all, but the mastermind, unstoppable monster to the rim jamming it in your face, and passing like Magic is just better tbh.
Back when I was young and a moron, I was an MJ Stan. I thought nobody would EVER top him. But right around the time LeBron came back to Cleveland, I started to realize just how great a player he is. I no longer see him as inferior to Jordan. Hell, I don’t even rank players anymore, I put them in tiers. And that’s because LeBron is GREAT. He’s an equal to Jordan. Period.
Collin Kelly MJ=overrated Game 5 elimination game 1988 Jordan scores 2 points in fourth Game 5 elimination game 1989 Jordan scores 18 total and 1 point in fourth 1995 ECF Jordan has two turnovers in final minute of game to give Orlando the win Not to mention the multiple times he was swept out of the first round Jordan plays for bulls 1993 they win 57 games, doesn’t play 1994 they win 55 games LeBron brings teams to finals than when he leaves they get the first pick In the 90s the NBA added 6 expansion teams, spreading out talent, watered down NBA 1996 the NBA had the record for most teams with under 20 wins Jordan never had to face zone defenses, illegal defense was beneficial to Jordan’s scoring sucsess. Give Kobe those rules and he will average more points than Jordan. NBA promoted Jordan being the “goat” for marketing purposes Follow @nbaguru24 on instagram
Gucci Savage lol, people act like being swept in the first round is better than losing in the finals. I really don’t understand. With the rings argument, they are basically saying that Zaza is better than Tracey Mcgrady, Allen Iverson, Karl Malone and Charles Barkley
(i think kareem is the goat) when you talk about 1994 and the 55 win bulls you gotta realize that that team had little success in the playoffs and got dominated by the knicks without jordan plus jordan lost in the first round to some of the greatest teams of all time like the 80's celtics and bad boy pistons and the most underrated defensive team in the 80's bucks whereas the hardest team lebron had to face in the east was a washed up pistons with no ben wallace also hand checking made it undeniably harder to play iso ball which to some degree negates the lack of zone defense in the 90's also you mention the turnovers in 1995 that jordan got but what about how he averaged 34 points and locked up anyone he had to guard and calling. anyone's era weak is a excuse because you could find ways to make any era weak using bum ass excuses like calling players of the past plumbers and mailmen or calling players of today soft and afraid of contact both are dumb excuses
The most amazing thing about Iverson in 01 is that NO ONE on his team could shoot, so he was basically playing 1v5 every time he touched the ball on offense.
F.A.D. All unlikely. LeBron is the MVP every year but they have to give it to someone else because Lebron would have like 8. He won’t get rings if he stays in Cleavland. Scoring? Maybe if he can just forget playmaking and become a flat out 30ppg scorer for 5 years
the biggest criticisms that are valid on LeBron are him titling himself the king, the chosen one, and bragging about the Miami thing on tv, the Jason Terry and Dallas meltdown, and the whooping he got from the spurs by a record finals margin...oh and when he called himself the best player in the world and lost to the warriors. that would be it for me, all the rest is just people being negative. the guy can play ball. he may not be the greatest, however, he sure plays great.
2007: Terrible team against a dynasty 2008: Fair and square 2009: Fair and square again 2010: LeBron didn’t look like he was there 2011: His worst performance ever 2014: No excuses, Miami’s talent didn’t beat the Spurs’ teamwork 2015: Kyrie and KLove were injured 2017: KD ruined the NBA 2018 KD ruined the NBA again
Johnny Kilroy No they didn't. The difference is that Paxon and Kerr hit those shots in game 6. Let's assume that Kerr and Paxon MISSED those shots; what would be the result? The Bulls probably lose, hence a game 7. Jordan could still win both those series without those shots. Now let's look at Ray Allen's shot, shall we? If Ray Allen misses, what would be the result? With 4 secs. Remaining it isn't likely that the Heat get ANOTHER offensive board and kick it out to a teammate for 3; so let's assume that the Heat lose that game.... Meaning that the Heat lose the series. Meaning that Lebron would be 1-3 in the Finals at that point. LMAOOO
@ThunderHawk That doesn't change the fact the the warriors were incredily injured. It's like the warriors 2015 chip, it will always have an asterics by it, and honestly I think the 2015 Cavs in the finals (without Irving or Love) could beat both teams in the 2019 finals.
Take away any accolades. I think Lebron james is the great BASKETBALL player ever. The man does everything, and can play any position. And makes everyone around him better.
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AnimatedAaron:No he isnt. Lebron never was a great defender so he doesnt do everything. Jordan, Kareem Wilt were all better defenders.
The fact that Lebron made a 73-9 record breaking Warriors blew a 3-1 lead in the finals, should've been the end of Jordan vs Lebron debate because Lebron stopped warriors fans from saying Curry is better than Jordan.
Clovis Gollo Draymond Green suspension and Bogut injury contributed to that comeback. Bron should be 1/9 in the Finals in reality. Had his legacy saved by Ray Allen in 2013. Had Kyrie save him in 2016. Only legitimate Finals win he's ever had is 2012. LeBum the all time greatest loser
Anthony Thomas I can nit pick any player not named Michael Jordan the exact same way. 3 rings with 3 Finals MVP is 3 rings with 3 Finals MVP's anyway you slice it.
@@anthonythomas4836 So LeBron didn't lead the comback in 2013? Did Ray Allen save him in Game 7? Or did Kyrie drop back to back 40 point games and led in every stat in the Finals for BOTH TEAMS? And Draymond was suspended ONE GAME not the fucking series.
@@anthonythomas4836 Bro why do Warriors fans talk like Andrew Bogut was a 20 and ten guy and Draymond Green was suspended for one game not the entire series Andrew Bogut was a role player not an all star or a super star, quit making excuses because if Lebron had choked a 3-1 lead no matter the circumstances he would still get criticized
He's the goat everybody forget about all the games that he clutched up to save his team from Indiana Boston Celtics Pistons if it wasn't for Golden State he would have more chips then mj and people will still find another way to say he's sucks he the goat
Magic: drafted to a team with Kareem MJ: had a competent front office that built around him real well Kobe: Traded to the lakers to play with shaq Duncan: David Robinson was injured so the spurs sucked so they got Duncan 1st overall Bird: Drafted to a team with a great GM (Red Auerbach) Kareem: Rookie year his team has 56 wins Shaq: Drafted to a team with Nick Anderson and soon to get Penny Hardaway Hakeem: Drafted to a team with Ralph Sampson Russel: Drafted to a team with Cousy and Auerbach LBJ: Trash team, Horrible management, No help
The 3-6 argument is legit because it’s his fault that his teams were bad. He picked the players & put them in a system that took them out of their play styles so that he could be the focus. He didn’t make his team better, he actually made damn near every player that came to Cleveland worse. It’s not a coincidence that almost every single player that played with him got worse. I know that’s not 100% his fault, but at the same time, he’s the team leader & he’s an on court coach, so the 3-6 argument is completely legit.
I think a big reason most great stars we remember stayed with one team for a majority of their careers was because they had great front offices and situations where we could win. Kobe had amazing and terrible teams, but there is a reason his championships came with phil jackson. Lebron only had that in miami and he just happened to be his best there.
Man if only the Cavs made the right decision of getting Boozer back and drafting Iggy instead on that 2004 draft, man oh man, what could've transpired.
I'm very new to the nba game like knowledge-wise, so at 6:46 I had a very audible "Daaaaamn" at that stat listing. I try not to over hype lebron but goddamn 2009 lebron gets my vote anywhere
Jalen Guidry he didn’t play against bad competition, it’s just that as the game evolved, the competition get better. The average player of today is way better than the average player of 1990
Justin Stupart kinda depends on what you mean by better. Like, averages players in the 80s or 90s were much better defenders and mid range shooters than the average players of today. Post game is also dying out now, when back then most bigs had a nice post game. But now, with advances in tech and such, players are better physically. Also, average players now have a much better 3pt shot and because in the nba now, thats what matters. Defense, post game, and mid range shot mattered more back then.
LOL if Lebron ever rode a teammate nuts in 3 straight Finals he would never hear the end of it. Let alone if Lebron ever choked a 3-1 lead in the playoffs. Kobe gets a pass for both of these ALL THE TIME.
lol nigga kobe already played on 3 lakers superteams and tried making more with chris paul why would he leave the big market lakers where all other stars come pure faxx lmfaoooo................lebron plays in garbage shit cleveland where no star wants to come pure faxx lol. MJ >> LeBron >> Shaq >> Kobe
Umm Kobe was always surrounded by talent. And he had Phil Jackson coaching. Kobe only spent about three seasons carrying trash. LeBron made his debut carrying fire dumpsters.
Dom you honestly deserve MINIMUM 500-800k subscribers on here. 200 is outrageously low lol I love your content my guy. You should be up there with people like Mike Korzemba and them which you will be fasholy. 🔜
I get it that some of the criticism that Lebron legacy or LeBron himself receives is unfair, but don't compare him to other all-time great. The real argument is about who's THE greatest of all time and when you're in that convo, everything is magnified. We don't hold some of those criticism against Magic, Bird or Kobe because they're not in that conversation.
Uh magic IS in that conversation so you mean Jordan losing against the REPEATING CHAMPION Celtics is held against him becuase he’s in contention for the goat?
YoungAli literally just proved doms argument. People have absolutely no knowledge and set an opinion on a player and stick with it. Not to mention there’s no context involved in that whatsoever
4:19 You’re not the GOAT for just participating in the finals. I’m sorry but if your supposedly the greatest at something, you shouldn’t have the expectation to lose this year, last year, next year, and probably the year after that.
Wipexherxdry that’s where you wrong.. Kobe didn’t get out played by Terry. Jason Terry avg. 19ppg Kobe averaged 23.3ppg On 45.8 FG%, & 80+ FT shooing% But what no one talks about is Kobe’s Health during that time. (He got knee surgery in Germany right after the series) plus no talks about Gasol averaging 12ppg or Bynum 12ppg... He had no help. He dropped 36 in game 1 & still lost. But I’m not gonna relieve him from loosing! There’s not excuse for getting swept!
This just shows how the media can ruin someone's reputation. Nowadays you can't even say ur a fan of him.without being called bronsexual which is absurd and immoral. He has the most fan base among active players for a reason..just like me that is one of the millions of kids that he inspired in basketball. GOAT or Not, win or lose I appreciate and thank this man for the time,dedication and effort he contributes to this game. Idc what anyone says about him, he's great and must not be judged by nobodies like he was the worst person in the planet and the worst player of all time😏 Too bad he's already 36 and the retirement was near(still playing on a superstar level tho)....yet nba fanbases dont even appreciate or atleast respect him as a human being.
love lebron and all, but i think the reason as to why he gets criticized so much is because he's literally competing to be the greatest of all time. people are going to find any reason they can as to why he's not as great as mj and/or never will be
The skeeeup "he's not clutch argument is an example of chronic goal post moving: Each example anyone gave where he was clutch caused the goal posts to be moved further until it got backed into a corner. FIrst it was "he caves in the final minutes" - when examples of him dominating in the final minutes were shown, then it was "has to be the final seconds" - then that turned into "defensive plays dont count" when he had that run down block in the finals - nowdays its "has to be a walk off shot to win the game" - and now that he has two of those in the same post season, theres no where else to move the "he aint clutch" goal posts to.
your missing the point of ppl who critique James more than the other top 10 superstars of All Time ( Magic, MJ, Duncan, Bird, Kobe, Shaq, etc..) it's not that he doesn't deserve to have teammates that do their jobs like everyone else teammates have done, but LeBron James has done LESS with the teammates he has had the LUXURY of having in his PRIME on those SuperTeams (2010-2017) than everyone else..promising 7-8 rings & barely winning 2 while Magic, Shaq, kobe, kareem, MJ etc. DOMINATED with their supporting cast & have better results than him..THEY DID WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO IN THOSE SITUATIONS & IF THEY HADN'T THE NARRATIVE SURROUNDING THEIR LEGACIES WOULD BE DIFFERENT..imagine if kobe & shaq won 1 ring together, magic won 1 ring with the 🐐 Kareem, tim duncan only won 1 ring with Robinson etc...there would be a whole lot more A.i. & Charles Barkley like legacies & even less Mt.Rushmore legacies than the 5 we got now..the criticism he receives is fair game
Junior Barton I like your argument, few problems I have though. 1. Shaq dominated in the early 00s because the center position was severely lacking in talent. Why do you think the Magic got killed by the Rockets in 95? 2. Kareem is not the GOAT. I can list some reasons for you, but I'm too lazy so I'll post a link for you to read. Nobodytouchesjordan.blogspot.com Scroll down and you will come across two sections: MJ (and Hakeem) vs Kareem Why Hakeem is the GOAT Center
as far as i'm concerned kareem & jordan are 1a & 1b when it comes to the GOAT title...i actually edge MJ as the GOAT because of his 11 year body of work where he accumulated 95% of his accolades (trophies, mvps etc.) & 95% of his stats. his wizards seasons were jus icing on the cake but Kareem is only player top 5 in 3 major statistical categories & had the most unstoppable shot known to man with MJs fadeaway at a close 2nd..still MJ>kareem
Ben H i said "etc"..meaning any duo or trio you can think of that dominated....mj pippen are very comparable to lebron/wade or lebron/kyrie & so is duncan/robinson which only ended due to injury or duncan/parker which won 3 together
Bill Russell . Before bill russ join the Celtics the team was a scrub. Did his role and a great leader. And because of that there's so many Hof Celtics because how dominant they were. One of his team mate ave 7 points per game in his career but made it to hof because of how dominant Celtics were. Bill russ made his team mates play to their best abilities
Jordan was being guarded mainly by point guards and unathletic shooting guards. His best competition at his position was Clyde drexler. That's it. Don't say Reggie he was just a good shooter. He couldn't guard a parked car. Another fact is that Jordan dominated a watered down era. Which is irrefutable.
yup gary payton was a straight scrub and so was penny hardaway. and don't get me started on that trash back court of magic johnson and byron scott plus james worthy.
Long post here..... I think Lebron gets so much hate because of him and his fans saying he is the goat. Let me say I have live to watch Bird, Magic and Jordan, I have been watching the nba for 35 plus years. When Jordan played he was considered the best of all time not because of his stats but because of how many times he won the championship with the same team, those big in game dunks and last second shots were just the icing on top. If you bring up Bill Russel realize that there were only ten teams in the league when he played so there was not a lot of competition. When Lebron and his fans try to “prove” that he is the goat over Jordan they have to say look at this stat that is better than Jordan’s. When Jordan was in the league no one talked about his stats to say he was better than Bird or Magic, everyone just knew he was the greatest and there was not really a debate. Lebron did not compete in the dunk contest(in which he said he would), Lebron complained about playing so many games and back to backs(Jordan wanted to play even in the summer) Lebron gets mad when people criticize his game.(Jordan just showed them by winning) Honestly Lebron is nothing like Jordan their mentality is completely different. Lebron can pass Jordan in all of these stats because of longevity but if you look at the perspective of a gamer total wins are meaningless but the ratio at which you win means everything. I mean imagine if Jordan played for three more years in Chicago and did not retire, he would probably have 9 rings. (But obviously we will never know) This is the reason why Kobe got so much love is because he was honest and always gave credit to Jordan being the better player. Also I almost never heard Kobe fans say he was better that Jordan. Mostly they say he was the closest we have ever seen. If Lebron and his fans would just admit that Jordan is the goat I promise most of the hate would disappear. Lebron and his fans try so hard to prove that he is the goat it comes off as desperate, when Jordan played my family and relatives HATED him (I am from Utah so they were Stockton and Malone fans) but they would all admit we have never seen someone play like this even though they were rooting for utah. We can say Lebron is the greatest of this post Kobe era and give him respect that way because Kobe did not create a superteam every time he lost and imagine if Jordan went to play with the Celtics or the Pistons he might have won ten or more rings. Lebron is a fun player to watch on the court and one of the best people off the court. If we can be honest about his career I think most of the hate will go away and we can appreciate him in his last few years in the NBA and quit trying to make him better than he really is. If anyone comments please be respectful.
I just want people to think about the competition LeBron has faced in the NBA Finals. Did anyone ever think about maybe the reason Jordan went 6 for 6 was because there was no competition?
Compton 187 Uhhhh look who he's played? The competition is WAY tougher. Steve Kerr even said the other day he's glad he didn't play in this era because players are way too good. Steve Kerr played with Jordan...
Samual Williams Maybe the reason y LeBron has been to the Finals 9 times and 8 times in a row is because he plays in a historically weak and depleted conference?
It's a double edged sword. Yes Lebron has had the toughest Finals competition but he's also had the weakest playoff competition. Kobe is the exact opposite. His playoff competition was brutal but his Finals competition was a joke. Even Boston in 2010 was a shell of the team they were in 2008. And Jordan played some absolutely stiff competition. Remember all those Dream Team members? THOSE were they guys Jordan was competing against every year. Look at all the Hall of Famer the went ringless because of Jordan. Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing, Reggie Miller, Karl Malone, John Stockton. Hakeem Olajuwon, Clyde Drexler and Gary Payton could only win rings once Jordan retired. Don't EVER say Jordan didn't face real competition.
6-0 , 4-6 , Finals RECORDS don't mean SHIT , count the rings all u want , tf do the losses have to do with anything unless the player underperformed...
Dom 2k I disagree on what you said about the LeBron and Orlando Magic there is no excuses for that loss that year the Cavs that year had 66 wins and Orlando had 59 LeBron was MVP that year too and LeBron had a all-star that year too he had help there was no excuse for that loss the rest in that video I can agreed though
You're really underrating that Orlando Magic team. Dwight averaged 25 and 13 on 65 FG% and 70 FT% in that series. Rashard Lewis (who was an All-Star that season) had 18 ppg on 49 FG% and 48 3P%. The Magic shot 48% from the field and 40% from 3 that series as a team. Lebron did all he could (38 ppg, 8 rpg, 8 apg on 48 FG%) but you're not going to beat a team when they shoot that well and you can't keep up (the Cavs that series shot 45% fom the field and 32% from 3).
I love how you tried to toss in the Trump diss when it was Obama giving Iran the ability to create nukes where Trump has taken that away and he has reportedly helped north Korea denuclerize😂
What? Iran already had the ability to create nukes. The Iran Deal agreed to by the US and 5 other security council countries cut off Iran’s pathways. Do you know they had to give up 97% of their enriched uranium? 3/4ths of their centerfuges? Do you know they had to allow inspections into their country? Do you know that not only did the UN say that Iran is compliant AND Israel’s former defense minister say they’re compliant but also Trump’s own secretary of Defense James “Mad Dog” Mattis also said they’re compliant. Were you aware of any of that? Or do you think Trump’s tweets are diplomatic gospel.
Also North Korea definitely still has their nukes bro. Nothing has been set in place yet and that little statement they made about denuclearization has happened before even under President Bush.
when i read dom2k's name i think of a guido named Dominic who's friends call him "Dom-2000" because he spent $2000 on his dads credit card for uber in a month
Lebron just makes it to the top 10 of all time for me (likely gonna be top 5 at the end of his career), its just the Bronsexuals that get on my nerves.
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Dom2k can you make a video of great players who were overshadowed by other great people on their draft class
Jordan[Hakeem
Or great players took in the 2nd round
[Draymond green
Dom2k first lebron appreciation video
Excellent work as usual. I agree with your assessment about Lebron being the most scrutinized all-timer ever. However, part of the heavy criticism by Jordan supporters probably isn't just about the 6-0 vs. 3-5 debate....but rather Lebron not taking full advantage of his Heat tenure or 1st year back in Cleveland. Bird had help...Magic had help...Jordan had help...Shaq and Kobe had help...LBJ eventually got help. When being considered the GOAT...context is the deciding factor. Bottom line....once Jordan had the opportunity to play in championships...his teams won more than LBJ'S did. Star players on teams have always had to bear the burden of accepting the consequences of being the GOAT in a positive way...or negative way. The real question is why are we attempting to change this "player based" way of thinking in attempts to diminish what Jordan has done and ignore LBJ's failures by what matters the most.....wins over stats.
Dom2k At the end of lebrons career he will be first in points and top 5 and 1 in everything else
One thing Dom I will say you must up on is saying Kobe's team put him in position to stay and not leave like Lebron. But there was 4 years his team was absolutely horrible and another 4 years they were rebuilding and that leaves 8 years he went through trash BUT Lebron only didn't have talent in beginning years. Then they surrounded him with really good defensive player like the 01 76ers did to Ai and they did the same thing lost in the finals easily. Still good enough to go to the finals but he needed and kobe didn't have that those eight years. Then of course after that Lebron had 8 years of unbelievable talent. So to some up Kobe's worse team years versus Lebron's worse team years gives Lebron the lead in that category. Now Mj did have help his whole career and had no reason to leave to add to your argument. Just to put icing on cake is that Kobe requested a trade since the organzation didn't do anything. Other then that I liked the rest of your 5
Logic of LeBron haters:
Scenario 1) LeBron goes to Miami to win some rings.
"LeBron sucks. He has to be surrounded by all stars to win a championship. Can't win a ring without help."
Scenario 2) LeBron stays in Cleveland surrounded by a scrub team.
"LOL. LeBron sucks. He can't even carry his team to a championship."
He's great... top 3 of all time. But not the GOAT. 2011 Proves that along with this year
Aw Ete this year he got injured so did his damn team before injury this team was 4th in the west lmfao u know what lebron is in the playoffs as well lol
@@ImFaiis before he got injured the Grizzlies were a top 3 team....
@@ImFaiis what about 2011....
Jordan > LeBron > Kobe
KD joined a 73 win team that he blew a 3-1 lead in the WCF against. If anybody’s legacy deserves to be judged and criticized its KD for joining 3 all stars and arguably the greatest shooter of all time.
Vinnz why u crying and shit that nigga busted his ass for that thunder team for years so he left it’s that niggas life so why do yall care so much
Vinnz Lebums career is scripted. Bandwagon
Kevin Willis your not understanding where ppl are coming from. Nobody is mad that he left nigga. Reread what I said all day so you can understand that. People hate his move bc of where he went not that he left. They were supposed to get to the finals that year and had a good shot in winning but he was half the reason they didn’t so he gives up on them and joins the 73-9 team that beat them like wtf nigga.
Ya Heard that was my biggest problem with KD in a nutshell, he jumps ship to the same team that knocked him off that prior summer. While someone else would be looking to get stronger for the rematch, KD threw up the white flag.
Vinnz He didn’t join a 73 win team because they traded some players so It wasn’t a 73 win team
Come on Dom, you know people don't like Logic.
No We do
@@weynnerguillen9533 commenting on a 4 year old comment to hate is crazy
Man logic is such a poison these days
People dog on Melo for not leaving the Knicks to go to the Bulls to try to win and said he was just chasing money, yet some people dog on Lebron for leaving bad situations to win, make yall minds up
Dat Way super facts.....only when it fits their narrative...and their hate for those 2 players
Dat Way Durant?
Don’t forget to give Durant a pass.
Durant will get a pass if he join wizard , celtics , heat and clipper not arguably the best team in nba.
Personally, I dont blame Lebron for leaving, but I blame him for how he left.
2007: Terrible team against a dynasty
2011: No excuses
2014: Fair
2015: Kyrie / Love injured
2017: KD joins Golden State
2018: Terrible team against a dynasty
Fair? That series was a massacre. barely won 1 game.
New Profile Wade and Bosh fucked up.
@@MrIncredibleGuy lebron fucked up two vs kawhi
mr vendetta Point being, it was a fair matchup lol.
2007: No fault of his
2011: Did something Jordan never did
2014: The Heat all of a sudden became such a bad team???
2015: No fault of his
2017: Warriors were too much
2018: No where near the terrible team you claim to be. Kevin Love was an all-star and they made their 4 straight trip to the finals. At least get 1 win...
"He's not clutch" was a manmade criticism that didn't exists until Skip Bayless put it into people's minds. By then, we already saw him be clutch against the Wizards and the Detroit Pistons when Bayless introduce that narrative. Since then, it has been fuel for Lebron haters and Skip who continues to benefit talking shit about Bron, even though he secretly enjoys him.
Lebron recently became ''clutch''. Lebron plenty of games where he wasn't clutch and choked badly.
Introduce? LeBron scores 8 points in a finals game lmfaoooo LeBron put that on himself and Skip won’t let him live it down. The series before he left for Miami his owner accused him of quitting on the team. Just because Skip places emphasis on more moments than others “manmade” nah it was pretty factual lol. But Skip be funny just trolling people sometimes but Stephen A says that if Skip says it he actually believes it and you can tell
He choked in 2011, but every other series or big game, hes been hands down the best player on the court. The more important the game, the better LeBron seems to play
Who the hell listens to skip bayless?
Gimme an example of a none-man-made criticism plz.
I think personally we should appreciate this mans career. GOAT or not hes the best player in the nba today. Appreciate while we have him
yourboy jtrades Agreed. He is one of a kind.
Exactly
It’s gonna be sad when lebron retires for sure
yourboy jtrades lechoke james sucks lol go lakers since 99 thou
Ryan Shane lechoke james sucks lol go lakers since 99 thou
lebron did his dues for playing 7 yrs with clev, kd however had 2 mvps (possibly HOF’ers) with a defensive player ibaka and now 2 HOF’ers with curry and klay and a dpoy. If lebron has those 2 begin with, yall think he’d leave?
Vincent Carter
A few misconceptions here
Durant played with Russ and Harden, however Harden was a 6th man he was not Hof caliber
Clearly the Warriors are way better than anything the Thunder could ever offer not to mention that Steph>Russ, Klay>Harden(when he played for OKC, not the Houston version) and Draymond>Ibaka. Yes Durant was better off then Lebron, and Durant deserves all the hate he gets, however we all know the Thunder weren't winning anything with KD+Russ any time soon
taurean claude It definitely wasn’t only KD who choked, that whole team fell apart.
If LeBron was on those teams Thunder would have at least 1 title.
BeingWokeTV No he wouldn't. He left Cleveland because they weren't going anything to put themselves in a position to win. And he went back to Cleveland because that was always his goal anyways, to win with Cleveland.
Okay not justifying KD's move but okc is a shit show. They traded away harden, Reggie Jackson, and ibaka left. They got rid of their head coach with a winning record. Let's be real here the ONLY reason Westbrook won MVP was because his team was trash and he stat padded. The man is one of the most inefficient players in the game. No one except Steph or maybe LeBron should be taking more shots than KD. Just saying, still a weak move but just don't act like he had great management.
"Those big moments aren't any less significant than Magic or Jordan having great teammates to make sure the games never really even came down to those moments"
Wow, Dom. This was powerful.
Except that its not true- Bron had D Wade and Bosh still lost to Mavs and Spurs. Lost to Orlando who only had 1 superstar and Didnt show up in last 2games vs Boston in 2010
New Profile and Lebron had another superstar on his team? Magic had better role players
don’t know why people put KD over lebron, always been a mystery to me
there isnt a real reason at all, most of them are haters or they might like watchin kd more so they say hes better which is dumb. KD hasnt done anything Lebron has done, his first ring came from joining a 70 win team. When Bron joined Miami they were 47 win 5 seed, that OG cavs team was trash it was just him. KD had westbrook, harden, ibaka and a good bench and couldnt win.
undercover zach No one reasonable does
undercover zach it’s because he hit a shot over Lebron and apparently that made him better. People just don’t understand that he won the finals because his team was better and he looked better because his responsibility was lessened while Lebron has to carry more so in some stretches, he doesn’t look all that fresh.
Only casual fans do.
Because KD GOAT
You dont have to like him but please just appreciate greatness
Tarique Mahtab appreciating him doesn’t mean make excuses for him and act like his shit don’t stink
Zay The Guru He choked once
Zay The Guru he only choked once 😂😂
Bronsexuals really delusional
Just because he’s a big time youtuber doesn’t mean he’s right
Also, can we acknowledge that that 2011 Mavericks teams swept the back-to-back Lakers and went 4-1 to a pretty good Thunder team.
Not saying the Heat didn't choke that series, but that mavericks team was far from this "mega underdog" team people portray them as. They made it to the finals in the West after all.
James Burgess Jason Terry smoked LeBron. You just can’t let a role player beat you single-handedly.
ForgottenNYC Kobe got outplayed too
They swept the Heat that year in the regular season too. That Mavs team wasn’t even the 1 or 2 seed that year either. That’s how good the West was back then. I just think people thought with 3 stars against 1, the Heat would win but the Mavs had a WAY better overall team.
ForgottenNYC if you actually watch the series, you'd know that lebron barely guarded Terry. So how is that on him exactly?
Also, calling Jason Terry a "role player" to say he was not that good, shows just how little you actually know about basketball.
James Burgess just stop Miami shouldn’t of lost a finals
Absolute facts. This man is the best role model for the nba. Has an opinion, speaks about important things in society, gives millions to kids, never gambles, cheats or rape anyone. Just because he wanted out of a trash team is a bad person?
Its because ppl feel hes always jumping ships to stack with other stars. All things aside, he is one of few black players who never gets in trouble, has sex with bunch of bitches. Doesnt have kids outside of marriage. So that should be respected
Kenneth Erickson the private life is important too
@@bino1299 in the goat convo? No it doesnt
Martin Macaskill of course it is
I mean Kobe got swept by the Mavs in 2011.why isn't Kobe mentioned in ruining the Kobe vs LeBron in the finals?
Alexred94 because kobe didnt have 2 teammates outscore him in that series
Im in between names. Suggest one if you want lol now we blaming kobe teammates but when lebron fans blame his teammates kobe fans never want to hear excuses
chibuike anojulu im saying kobe was the best on his team in that series whereas lebron got outscored by wade and bosh
Because we aren't comparing Kobe to lebron
Alexred94 It was SUPPOSED to be 2009 bc they were both the favorites to come out of their respective conferences hands down. Hands down meaning even the League knew it and capitalized on it with a million puppet commercials hyping up the matchup. In 2011 after the Lakers were coming off of a Repeat, they weren't HEAVY favorites to come out of the West. Also Kobe had sustained some injuries and everyone knew his body was breaking down. In '09 LeBron won MVP and Kobe finished 2nd, everything was set up so perfectly. Kobe was already on the decline at that point so that's y 2011 isnt brought up.
LeBronto
Jay Bdk and LeThanos
Jay Bdk Torchoko
Jay Bdk Lechoker
+Ibnziyad Tariq L
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You will never change a hater's mind bc they just move the goal posts. Best thing you can do, is just ignore them.
Winning a title is a team effort. You can't do it alone, no matter how great you are.
minjod The same logic should be applied to MAKING the Finals then. Bron has never once in his career single handidly "carried" a team to the Finals on his own.
ask 03 duncan 2
2011 dirk 1994 hakeem
@@anthonythomas4836 2018 playoffs...
Anthony Thomas 2007 and 2018..
@@anthonythomas4836 Yo I know this is a year old but quarantine got me reading a fuck ton of comments and you've gotta be one of the stupidest people I've ever seen type
MJ and Kobe lucky they didn't have go through this social media era.
Wipexherxdry Kobe technically was in it
Lol the majority of Kobe’s career the social media aspect was not a factor. And even when it was beginning to be it is nothing compared to the toxicity it has exponentially blossomed to the last 5 years
Wipe a lot of players are
Jacob it’s unbelievable. You can’t even take anything seriously anymore
Lucky? Even after his death, Kobe's name is being dragged through the mid and people don't have him in their top 10. Lol as if he wasn't the closest to MJ. I got MJ, Kareem, Kobe, LBJ, & Magic top 5 tho 💯
When u dropin that “Greatest Nba Playoff Series” Part 3?
Jackcol raptors cavs 2018 IMO
Jackcol facts
I'm waiting for that too
Never
LeBron is literally the most hated NBA Superstar off all time. The reason is because he's the only one that can be considered the GOAT. For example if KD said he's was chasing the "Ghost of Chicago" people would laugh. (Because of what he did of course). But if LeBron does it; It's a real conversation. People just bash LeBron because they think Jordan was perfect.
Jack Mehoff 😂😂😂😂
Jack Mehoff hes chasing the king of akron the thanos thats why he eat his pride and go to gsw the team that make a biggest comeback down3 -1 😂😂😂 and also lose to finals cuz thy both choke thy need each other... but this 15th season leGOAT will reclaimed his throne and WIN the championship against them 73win gsw +kd 🔥🔥🔥🔥🐐 no one can deny his greatness now no kyrie no problem !!! lebron have a scary killer cluth shots hes very confident thy wont stop him now !!! #nbachamps2018cavs #finalsmvp #seasonmvp #allstarmvp #legoatbestseason
LeGoat James
Jack Mehoff Kobe is actually getting more hate than anyone now.
@@anthonythomas4836 why is that?
LeBron James is the most amazing player I've ever seen with my 2 eyes
U must have never watched michael jefferry jordan or kareem
Martin Macaskill Jordan’s fade-away are cool and all, but the mastermind, unstoppable monster to the rim jamming it in your face, and passing like Magic is just better tbh.
@@enterzync2630 tru forgot about magic who is a bit underrated now
Martin Macaskill Kareem never was exciting to watch, if u they so than u never saw him play tbh
@@randomk7198 What's there to see, They ain't LeBron James
Back when I was young and a moron, I was an MJ Stan. I thought nobody would EVER top him. But right around the time LeBron came back to Cleveland, I started to realize just how great a player he is. I no longer see him as inferior to Jordan. Hell, I don’t even rank players anymore, I put them in tiers. And that’s because LeBron is GREAT. He’s an equal to Jordan. Period.
Collin Kelly ur on crack.
great player sure
jordans level well go 2 rehab bud
Collin Kelly MJ=overrated
Game 5 elimination game 1988 Jordan scores 2 points in fourth
Game 5 elimination game 1989 Jordan scores 18 total and 1 point in fourth
1995 ECF Jordan has two turnovers in final minute of game to give Orlando the win
Not to mention the multiple times he was swept out of the first round
Jordan plays for bulls 1993 they win 57 games, doesn’t play 1994 they win 55 games
LeBron brings teams to finals than when he leaves they get the first pick
In the 90s the NBA added 6 expansion teams, spreading out talent, watered down NBA
1996 the NBA had the record for most teams with under 20 wins
Jordan never had to face zone defenses, illegal defense was beneficial to Jordan’s scoring sucsess. Give Kobe those rules and he will average more points than Jordan.
NBA promoted Jordan being the “goat” for marketing purposes
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Gucci Savage lol, people act like being swept in the first round is better than losing in the finals. I really don’t understand. With the rings argument, they are basically saying that Zaza is better than Tracey Mcgrady, Allen Iverson, Karl Malone and Charles Barkley
Gucci Savage lol where’s your list for lebron being overrated ?
(i think kareem is the goat) when you talk about 1994 and the 55 win bulls you gotta realize that that team had little success in the playoffs and got dominated by the knicks without jordan plus jordan lost in the first round to some of the greatest teams of all time like the 80's celtics and bad boy pistons and the most underrated defensive team in the 80's bucks whereas the hardest team lebron had to face in the east was a washed up pistons with no ben wallace also hand checking made it undeniably harder to play iso ball which to some degree negates the lack of zone defense in the 90's also you mention the turnovers in 1995 that jordan got but what about how he averaged 34 points and locked up anyone he had to guard and calling. anyone's era weak is a excuse because you could find ways to make any era weak using bum ass excuses like calling players of the past plumbers and mailmen or calling players of today soft and afraid of contact both are dumb excuses
Where's the last episode of "the greatest playoff series" mans have been waiting too long Dom
The most amazing thing about Iverson in 01 is that NO ONE on his team could shoot, so he was basically playing 1v5 every time he touched the ball on offense.
If Lebron finishes his career with 1 more MVP and 2 more rings along with the all time scoring record then I think he will have a great case for GOAT
F.A.D. buddy he's not doing either
F.A.D. All unlikely. LeBron is the MVP every year but they have to give it to someone else because Lebron would have like 8. He won’t get rings if he stays in Cleavland. Scoring? Maybe if he can just forget playmaking and become a flat out 30ppg scorer for 5 years
F.A.D. But I think that’s fair
Justin Stupart it's definitely fair I will agree to that
Yeah but if he loses at 2 or more finals again...
all the dislikes are from lebron haters😂 great video tho
the biggest criticisms that are valid on LeBron are him titling himself the king, the chosen one, and bragging about the Miami thing on tv, the Jason Terry and Dallas meltdown, and the whooping he got from the spurs by a record finals margin...oh and when he called himself the best player in the world and lost to the warriors. that would be it for me, all the rest is just people being negative. the guy can play ball. he may not be the greatest, however, he sure plays great.
2007: Terrible team against a dynasty
2008: Fair and square
2009: Fair and square again
2010: LeBron didn’t look like he was there
2011: His worst performance ever
2014: No excuses, Miami’s talent didn’t beat the Spurs’ teamwork
2015: Kyrie and KLove were injured
2017: KD ruined the NBA
2018 KD ruined the NBA again
Steve Kerr and John paxon saved Jordan
Johnny Kilroy every legend has help tho...
Johnny Kilroy No they didn't. The difference is that Paxon and Kerr hit those shots in game 6. Let's assume that Kerr and Paxon MISSED those shots; what would be the result? The Bulls probably lose, hence a game 7. Jordan could still win both those series without those shots. Now let's look at Ray Allen's shot, shall we? If Ray Allen misses, what would be the result? With 4 secs. Remaining it isn't likely that the Heat get ANOTHER offensive board and kick it out to a teammate for 3; so let's assume that the Heat lose that game.... Meaning that the Heat lose the series. Meaning that Lebron would be 1-3 in the Finals at that point. LMAOOO
@@chrisgarganera3994 including LeBron...
Johnny Kilroy: wtf? no they didnt. those finals never went to a game7 anyway
Every legend needs help because basketball is a team sport
Somebody get Dom on Undisputed
I'm happy the the pacers at least took them the seven, respect
"Jordan had this"." Lebron had that".
😱 THEY PLAYED IN DIFFERENT ERAS!
Stop comparing its stupid.
yes compared to past in this era there are so many other players who are in mvp category and its difficult to be in this present mvp competition
One year later, The Raptors win the finals 😂
Against an incredibly injured warriors team
@ThunderHawk That doesn't change the fact the the warriors were incredily injured. It's like the warriors 2015 chip, it will always have an asterics by it, and honestly I think the 2015 Cavs in the finals (without Irving or Love) could beat both teams in the 2019 finals.
That small bit with vegeta and frieza killed me. "Deron William's was an allstar" 😂
every lebron fan coming to this video now lmao
alex edwards they ignoring his video on mj no doubt being the goat
zay kapone nah
lebron is 33 so has time to get more rings than MJ
Now they love Dom
zay kapone I would of liked to see LeBron shut down roleplayer Jason Terry you don't always get what you want
Take away any accolades. I think Lebron james is the great BASKETBALL player ever. The man does everything, and can play any position. And makes everyone around him better.
AnimatedAaron:No he isnt. Lebron never was a great defender so he doesnt do everything. Jordan, Kareem Wilt were all better defenders.
New Profile lebron was a great defender bro stfu
@@eduardopedro02 he said he never was a great defender just cause he wasn't better doesn't mean he isn't a great defender
Also makes his opponents scared, 6'9 260 lbs coming right at ya!
New Profile Lebron was arguably the best defender in the league in his prime
The fact that Lebron made a 73-9 record breaking Warriors blew a 3-1 lead in the finals, should've been the end of Jordan vs Lebron debate because Lebron stopped warriors fans from saying Curry is better than Jordan.
Clovis Gollo Draymond Green suspension and Bogut injury contributed to that comeback. Bron should be 1/9 in the Finals in reality. Had his legacy saved by Ray Allen in 2013. Had Kyrie save him in 2016. Only legitimate Finals win he's ever had is 2012. LeBum the all time greatest loser
Anthony Thomas I can nit pick any player not named Michael Jordan the exact same way. 3 rings with 3 Finals MVP is 3 rings with 3 Finals MVP's anyway you slice it.
@@anthonythomas4836 Did you even watch the video you fucking bum
@@anthonythomas4836 So LeBron didn't lead the comback in 2013? Did Ray Allen save him in Game 7? Or did Kyrie drop back to back 40 point games and led in every stat in the Finals for BOTH TEAMS? And Draymond was suspended ONE GAME not the fucking series.
@@anthonythomas4836 Bro why do Warriors fans talk like Andrew Bogut was a 20 and ten guy and Draymond Green was suspended for one game not the entire series Andrew Bogut was a role player not an all star or a super star, quit making excuses because if Lebron had choked a 3-1 lead no matter the circumstances he would still get criticized
He's the goat everybody forget about all the games that he clutched up to save his team from Indiana Boston Celtics Pistons if it wasn't for Golden State he would have more chips then mj and people will still find another way to say he's sucks he the goat
Magic: drafted to a team with Kareem
MJ: had a competent front office that built around him real well
Kobe: Traded to the lakers to play with shaq
Duncan: David Robinson was injured so the spurs sucked so they got Duncan 1st overall
Bird: Drafted to a team with a great GM (Red Auerbach)
Kareem: Rookie year his team has 56 wins
Shaq: Drafted to a team with Nick Anderson and soon to get Penny Hardaway
Hakeem: Drafted to a team with Ralph Sampson
Russel: Drafted to a team with Cousy and Auerbach
LBJ: Trash team, Horrible management, No help
The 3-6 argument is legit because it’s his fault that his teams were bad. He picked the players & put them in a system that took them out of their play styles so that he could be the focus. He didn’t make his team better, he actually made damn near every player that came to Cleveland worse. It’s not a coincidence that almost every single player that played with him got worse. I know that’s not 100% his fault, but at the same time, he’s the team leader & he’s an on court coach, so the 3-6 argument is completely legit.
Gerald Green it’s not legit bro, you have to look at some of the teams lebron played. In 07, 17, and 18 no one really expected him to win
I think a big reason most great stars we remember stayed with one team for a majority of their careers was because they had great front offices and situations where we could win. Kobe had amazing and terrible teams, but there is a reason his championships came with phil jackson. Lebron only had that in miami and he just happened to be his best there.
Infinityflow people act like that’s a coincidence lmao
Yea if Boozer stayed I think the Cavs would have been much better. He was an all-star in the mid-2000s WEST
You always make the smartest videos, keep it up!
You make great content bro, one of my favorite UA-camrs. Keep grinding man 🙏🏼
these infinity war clips lmao
Dom2k>LeBron
People who didn’t know of Thanos before the MCU clearly aren’t true comic book fans
Jacob Santos or true marvel fans in general
Man if only the Cavs made the right decision of getting Boozer back and drafting Iggy instead on that 2004 draft, man oh man, what could've transpired.
they could have once drafted cp3 and dwight
Hey man I love your videos brings me a smile every time I see em and always makes me think
I'm very new to the nba game like knowledge-wise, so at 6:46 I had a very audible "Daaaaamn" at that stat listing. I try not to over hype lebron but goddamn 2009 lebron gets my vote anywhere
5:26 Boy do I have a story for you 😂😂
They dethroned like half of the Golden State's team, injury riddled.
love the vids man
we live in an age where kids can troll on the internet and call every player shit.
Video starts at 1:59
Put some respeck on the GOAT’s intro
Next vid can you talk about the myth that Jordan had bad comp?
Jalen Guidry That's not a myth...
Jk. That argument shouldn't even be taken seriously.
Jalen Guidry he didn’t play against bad competition, it’s just that as the game evolved, the competition get better. The average player of today is way better than the average player of 1990
Justin Stupart kinda depends on what you mean by better. Like, averages players in the 80s or 90s were much better defenders and mid range shooters than the average players of today. Post game is also dying out now, when back then most bigs had a nice post game. But now, with advances in tech and such, players are better physically. Also, average players now have a much better 3pt shot and because in the nba now, thats what matters. Defense, post game, and mid range shot mattered more back then.
Yes definitely do it
Facts
If kobe decided to leave the lakers and join or make a super team I'm pretty sure he would be hated for it for eternity.
He played on 2 in LA and tried making a 3rd. Plus Kobe had all time great coaching.
LOL if Lebron ever rode a teammate nuts in 3 straight Finals he would never hear the end of it.
Let alone if Lebron ever choked a 3-1 lead in the playoffs.
Kobe gets a pass for both of these ALL THE TIME.
lol nigga kobe already played on 3 lakers superteams and tried making more with chris paul why would he leave the big market lakers where all other stars come pure faxx lmfaoooo................lebron plays in garbage shit cleveland where no star wants to come pure faxx lol.
MJ >> LeBron >> Shaq >> Kobe
Umm Kobe was always surrounded by talent. And he had Phil Jackson coaching. Kobe only spent about three seasons carrying trash. LeBron made his debut carrying fire dumpsters.
TLJthethird this roster is his making.
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Dom you honestly deserve MINIMUM 500-800k subscribers on here.
200 is outrageously low lol
I love your content my guy.
You should be up there with people like Mike Korzemba and them which you will be fasholy.
🔜
I get it that some of the criticism that Lebron legacy or LeBron himself receives is unfair, but don't compare him to other all-time great. The real argument is about who's THE greatest of all time and when you're in that convo, everything is magnified. We don't hold some of those criticism against Magic, Bird or Kobe because they're not in that conversation.
Uh magic IS in that conversation so you mean Jordan losing against the REPEATING CHAMPION Celtics is held against him becuase he’s in contention for the goat?
Lebron is the 2nd greatest player of all time it's set in stone now
YoungAli Get out
YoungAli literally just proved doms argument. People have absolutely no knowledge and set an opinion on a player and stick with it. Not to mention there’s no context involved in that whatsoever
Maybe he might pass him. I think he has already but what do I know.
This guy probably has the sexiest voice I have ever heard
Bro?
Great video Dom. Your logic is always fundamentally sound and ur definitely one of the smartest UA-camrs I’ve ever watched.
4:19 You’re not the GOAT for just participating in the finals. I’m sorry but if your supposedly the greatest at something, you shouldn’t have the expectation to lose this year, last year, next year, and probably the year after that.
You're someone who gets it
Also that 2011 mavs sweep the defending champions Lakers. Kobe had a bad series too, and git outplayed by Jason Terry
Wipexherxdry that’s where you wrong.. Kobe didn’t get out played by Terry.
Jason Terry avg. 19ppg
Kobe averaged 23.3ppg
On 45.8 FG%, & 80+ FT shooing%
But what no one talks about is Kobe’s Health during that time. (He got knee surgery in Germany right after the series) plus no talks about Gasol averaging 12ppg or Bynum 12ppg... He had no help. He dropped 36 in game 1 & still lost.
But I’m not gonna relieve him from loosing! There’s not excuse for getting swept!
Finally someone realizes this great disrespect
Rip XXX I agree and fuck X
If Bron win the finals this year he is the GOAT
Or if he could win one for another team.
Yeah, but there's like a 5% chance of that happening.
If he gets to the finals he is. MJ couldn't have gotten this team past round 1, same with the 07 squad he took the finals.
Anthony Lopez keep dreaming
Same shit they said last year
Thank u Dom ! I’ve been saying this for years but people always say I’m making up “excuses”
This is what you call objective commentary. That rb the breakthrough guy should take notes
Logic does not live with stans. And for some reason, people now bellerive an opinion is a 'fact'.
SMH
The bulls weren’t so great before Jordan arrived 🤷🏾♂️
Winston Rhock they were when he left tho
This just shows how the media can ruin someone's reputation. Nowadays you can't even say ur a fan of him.without being called bronsexual which is absurd and immoral.
He has the most fan base among active players for a reason..just like me that is one of the millions of kids that he inspired in basketball. GOAT or Not, win or lose I appreciate and thank this man for the time,dedication and effort he contributes to this game. Idc what anyone says about him, he's great and must not be judged by nobodies like he was the worst person in the planet and the worst player of all time😏
Too bad he's already 36 and the retirement was near(still playing on a superstar level tho)....yet nba fanbases dont even appreciate or atleast respect him as a human being.
yeah I feel bad for you people who are competent but are a fanatic person of lebron
I love the "Deron Williams was an all-star"That made me laugh pretty hard.
Shadow realm? Did my boy Dom just make a Yugioh anime reference?
Anyone realize he uses rachet and clank music for his vids?
Jahvontay Ass Eating Baynes #IGoInThereLikeThese I didn't even realize lol
Lebron and Russell are both in the hate categories... oh well seems like people hate on the great players
Kobe was hated on...and MJ definitely would have been hated in the social media era
@@danyalkazmi1400 actually a lot of people hated jordan too.
Last time I was this early the Warriors were up 3-1 in the finals
Great vid man and i’m glad u have such a open mind about these debatable things, no ignorance or bias
love lebron and all, but i think the reason as to why he gets criticized so much is because he's literally competing to be the greatest of all time. people are going to find any reason they can as to why he's not as great as mj and/or never will be
Here's my point...If LEBRON JAMES will STILL BE a TOP 5 player in the league 4 years from now he's the goat.
The skeeeup "he's not clutch argument is an example of chronic goal post moving: Each example anyone gave where he was clutch caused the goal posts to be moved further until it got backed into a corner. FIrst it was "he caves in the final minutes" - when examples of him dominating in the final minutes were shown, then it was "has to be the final seconds" - then that turned into "defensive plays dont count" when he had that run down block in the finals - nowdays its "has to be a walk off shot to win the game" - and now that he has two of those in the same post season, theres no where else to move the "he aint clutch" goal posts to.
your missing the point of ppl who critique James more than the other top 10 superstars of All Time ( Magic, MJ, Duncan, Bird, Kobe, Shaq, etc..) it's not that he doesn't deserve to have teammates that do their jobs like everyone else teammates have done, but LeBron James has done LESS with the teammates he has had the LUXURY of having in his PRIME on those SuperTeams (2010-2017) than everyone else..promising 7-8 rings & barely winning 2 while Magic, Shaq, kobe, kareem, MJ etc. DOMINATED with their supporting cast & have better results than him..THEY DID WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO IN THOSE SITUATIONS & IF THEY HADN'T THE NARRATIVE SURROUNDING THEIR LEGACIES WOULD BE DIFFERENT..imagine if kobe & shaq won 1 ring together, magic won 1 ring with the 🐐 Kareem, tim duncan only won 1 ring with Robinson etc...there would be a whole lot more A.i. & Charles Barkley like legacies & even less Mt.Rushmore legacies than the 5 we got now..the criticism he receives is fair game
Junior Barton I like your argument, few problems I have though.
1. Shaq dominated in the early 00s because the center position was severely lacking in talent. Why do you think the Magic got killed by the Rockets in 95?
2. Kareem is not the GOAT. I can list some reasons for you, but I'm too lazy so I'll post a link for you to read.
Nobodytouchesjordan.blogspot.com
Scroll down and you will come across two sections:
MJ (and Hakeem) vs Kareem
Why Hakeem is the GOAT Center
Junior Barton That's not an accurate comparaison though. Shaq/Kobe and Kareem/Magic is not the same as LeBron playing with Wade and Bosh.
as far as i'm concerned kareem & jordan are 1a & 1b when it comes to the GOAT title...i actually edge MJ as the GOAT because of his 11 year body of work where he accumulated 95% of his accolades (trophies, mvps etc.) & 95% of his stats. his wizards seasons were jus icing on the cake but Kareem is only player top 5 in 3 major statistical categories & had the most unstoppable shot known to man with MJs fadeaway at a close 2nd..still MJ>kareem
Junior Barton
nobodytouchesjordan.blogspot.com/2015/10/section-23-hakeem-olajuwon-greatest.html
nobodytouchesjordan.blogspot.com/2015/01/section-17-jordan-and-hakeem-vs-kareem.html
Ben H i said "etc"..meaning any duo or trio you can think of that dominated....mj pippen are very comparable to lebron/wade or lebron/kyrie & so is duncan/robinson which only ended due to injury or duncan/parker which won 3 together
Low key respect on how smooth that seatgeek plug was
Bill Russell . Before bill russ join the Celtics the team was a scrub. Did his role and a great leader. And because of that there's so many Hof Celtics because how dominant they were. One of his team mate ave 7 points per game in his career but made it to hof because of how dominant Celtics were. Bill russ made his team mates play to their best abilities
Jordan was being guarded mainly by point guards and unathletic shooting guards. His best competition at his position was Clyde drexler. That's it. Don't say Reggie he was just a good shooter. He couldn't guard a parked car. Another fact is that Jordan dominated a watered down era. Which is irrefutable.
Nice to know that teams had no mind back then and didn't just throw their best defender on jordan
chris tiod like, people wanna say that that 1991 Lakers team was showtime but they were so old
people like joe dumars and sidney moncrief were bad defenders smh
yup gary payton was a straight scrub and so was penny hardaway. and don't get me started on that trash back court of magic johnson and byron scott plus james worthy.
Ankle Island facts lol
Long post here..... I think Lebron gets so much hate because of him and his fans saying he is the goat. Let me say I have live to watch Bird, Magic and Jordan, I have been watching the nba for 35 plus years. When Jordan played he was considered the best of all time not because of his stats but because of how many times he won the championship with the same team, those big in game dunks and last second shots were just the icing on top. If you bring up Bill Russel realize that there were only ten teams in the league when he played so there was not a lot of competition. When Lebron and his fans try to “prove” that he is the goat over Jordan they have to say look at this stat that is better than Jordan’s. When Jordan was in the league no one talked about his stats to say he was better than Bird or Magic, everyone just knew he was the greatest and there was not really a debate. Lebron did not compete in the dunk contest(in which he said he would), Lebron complained about playing so many games and back to backs(Jordan wanted to play even in the summer) Lebron gets mad when people criticize his game.(Jordan just showed them by winning) Honestly Lebron is nothing like Jordan their mentality is completely different. Lebron can pass Jordan in all of these stats because of longevity but if you look at the perspective of a gamer total wins are meaningless but the ratio at which you win means everything. I mean imagine if Jordan played for three more years in Chicago and did not retire, he would probably have 9 rings. (But obviously we will never know) This is the reason why Kobe got so much love is because he was honest and always gave credit to Jordan being the better player. Also I almost never heard Kobe fans say he was better that Jordan. Mostly they say he was the closest we have ever seen. If Lebron and his fans would just admit that Jordan is the goat I promise most of the hate would disappear. Lebron and his fans try so hard to prove that he is the goat it comes off as desperate, when Jordan played my family and relatives HATED him (I am from Utah so they were Stockton and Malone fans) but they would all admit we have never seen someone play like this even though they were rooting for utah. We can say Lebron is the greatest of this post Kobe era and give him respect that way because Kobe did not create a superteam every time he lost and imagine if Jordan went to play with the Celtics or the Pistons he might have won ten or more rings. Lebron is a fun player to watch on the court and one of the best people off the court. If we can be honest about his career I think most of the hate will go away and we can appreciate him in his last few years in the NBA and quit trying to make him better than he really is. If anyone comments please be respectful.
I just want people to think about the competition LeBron has faced in the NBA Finals. Did anyone ever think about maybe the reason Jordan went 6 for 6 was because there was no competition?
Compton 187 Uhhhh look who he's played? The competition is WAY tougher. Steve Kerr even said the other day he's glad he didn't play in this era because players are way too good. Steve Kerr played with Jordan...
Samual Williams Maybe the reason y LeBron has been to the Finals 9 times and 8 times in a row is because he plays in a historically weak and depleted conference?
It's a double edged sword. Yes Lebron has had the toughest Finals competition but he's also had the weakest playoff competition.
Kobe is the exact opposite. His playoff competition was brutal but his Finals competition was a joke. Even Boston in 2010 was a shell of the team they were in 2008.
And Jordan played some absolutely stiff competition. Remember all those Dream Team members? THOSE were they guys Jordan was competing against every year. Look at all the Hall of Famer the went ringless because of Jordan. Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing, Reggie Miller, Karl Malone, John Stockton. Hakeem Olajuwon, Clyde Drexler and Gary Payton could only win rings once Jordan retired. Don't EVER say Jordan didn't face real competition.
This was top 5 videos I’ve ever watched on UA-cam. Subscribed bro
6-0 , 4-6 , Finals RECORDS don't mean SHIT , count the rings all u want , tf do the losses have to do with anything unless the player underperformed...
Dom 2k I disagree on what you said about the LeBron and Orlando Magic there is no excuses for that loss that year the Cavs that year had 66 wins and Orlando had 59 LeBron was MVP that year too and LeBron had a all-star that year too he had help there was no excuse for that loss the rest in that video I can agreed though
Do you really believe MO WILLIAMS was that good of a player.
Lmao
G.E.T T.H.E F.U.C.K.O.U.T.O.F.H.E.R.E
Where was that help during that series?
A247 Sulejman lmao dwight howard hard sharp shooters gtfo and they were juiced on PED’s he avergaged 38.5......
You're really underrating that Orlando Magic team. Dwight averaged 25 and 13 on 65 FG% and 70 FT% in that series. Rashard Lewis (who was an All-Star that season) had 18 ppg on 49 FG% and 48 3P%. The Magic shot 48% from the field and 40% from 3 that series as a team.
Lebron did all he could (38 ppg, 8 rpg, 8 apg on 48 FG%) but you're not going to beat a team when they shoot that well and you can't keep up (the Cavs that series shot 45% fom the field and 32% from 3).
Scalabrine >
I love how you tried to toss in the Trump diss when it was Obama giving Iran the ability to create nukes where Trump has taken that away and he has reportedly helped north Korea denuclerize😂
What? Iran already had the ability to create nukes. The Iran Deal agreed to by the US and 5 other security council countries cut off Iran’s pathways. Do you know they had to give up 97% of their enriched uranium? 3/4ths of their centerfuges? Do you know they had to allow inspections into their country? Do you know that not only did the UN say that Iran is compliant AND Israel’s former defense minister say they’re compliant but also Trump’s own secretary of Defense James “Mad Dog” Mattis also said they’re compliant. Were you aware of any of that? Or do you think Trump’s tweets are diplomatic gospel.
Also North Korea definitely still has their nukes bro. Nothing has been set in place yet and that little statement they made about denuclearization has happened before even under President Bush.
Video footage of Tim Duncan & Kawhi Leonard showing ACTUAL emotion. Best video ever made man
When are you going to do greatest playoff series part 3
“lebron stans” lmao, dom wtf
alex edwards *bronsexuals
ForgottenNYC if somebody is a "bronsexual" for liking LeBron James. Them doesn't that mean everybody is a (insert name here) sexual for liking anybody
ZuffyG nah it’s just a term for people who like Lebron
ForgottenNYC Why?
Isaac M cause they hate how much people love LeBron when they be stanning over people
Don't press read more
What did I tell you
Riley Medendorp I pressed read more
*ihatenickwright*
Vasty Andrews lol he b snapping
when i read dom2k's name i think of a guido named Dominic who's friends call him "Dom-2000" because he spent $2000 on his dads credit card for uber in a month
Great vid dom, fan since 16k
Lebron just makes it to the top 10 of all time for me (likely gonna be top 5 at the end of his career), its just the Bronsexuals that get on my nerves.
Alfonso Montoya he's already top 5 you dumb fuck
So his fans make push him further down the all time great list?
ktksoccerstar5
No thats not what i said.
LeGoat James
1. MJ
2. Larry Bird
3. Magic Johnson
4. Bill Russell
5. Tim Duncan
6. Hakeem
7. Kareem
8. LeBron
9. Shaq
10. Kobe Bryant/Jerry West
Celtics Fan Since August 23, 2017 KySexual #11 what an awful list