Society does suck, and don’t underestimate the knowledge to be gained from drugs that take you on a trip. To suggest that human brains are the only kinds of neural networks, well for one is objectively false, but also incredibly narrow minded and human centric.
"Who'd have thought paying online for this service would ever have gone over well" Dude. When the original Xbox came out and I heard you had to pay to play your games online, my retort was: "Fuck that. I got a PC for online gaming." Honestly...I never really changed my mind about that.
Similar story, used to be a PS "fan boy", then Sony announces they're gonna start charging for online for the PS4 and I said "welp... it was about time I got me one of those fancy PCs", saved up some cash and got me a PC. Hands down the best investment I've ever made.
@@ErikNiceBoy funny thing is theyd pulled me back to consoles with ps3, and the online fee for ps4 meant back to pc. My wife and I have a switch but nope to paying for something already there, artificially blocked.
Imagine paying and getting called a “homeless piss cover cat boy who hasn’t showed in a year” thankfully I don’t pay for that someone just calls me that for free.
@@Mik-kv8xx Xbox Game Pass Ultimate is mostly PC players. It is widely considered one of the best deals in gaming, that's why many Pc gamers use it - you get 100's of games, and a bunch of other bonuses like cloud game streaming for your mobile devices. So no, not games nobody cares about.
@@Insky_ did you not watch the video? The majority of games on consoles used peer to peer, or the developer's own servers; completely separate from the consoles' internet access.
It does use dedicated servers unlike the video guy says, yes, it's overpriced but in exchange you play in a platform where hackers are rare, you can store your saves to play them in your friends houses and the platform is just plug and play I had all consoles since the game cube and playing on xbox vs playing on ps3 was like day and night, yes I liked more those playstation exclusives but online gaming was more consistent on the xbox and I had good internet, and it really showed since gta5 on xbox 360 had dedicated servers and on ps3 it was peer to peer
@@2phonebabykeem913 and ps3 had infinitely worse online features. Everyone agrees that ps3 had shitty online in comparison. Xbox live is worth it. Xbox gamepass ultimate is even more so. You are paying for the services. For their hosting of servers, for bonuses like free games (4 a month) large discounts on games, social services, and other networking services for matchmaking.
They don't need to do anything because high end PC's that compete with next gen consoles are far more expensive. Even the video explains it. That's the trade off, you get good hardware for cheap, and you pay for services. Game pass ultimate is also extremely good value for what you get, most of its subscribers are PC players.
@@RushGamma No they don't, no one company owns pc, its made up of multiple components from different companies so no not any one has much control over the pc market, windows is just an OS that is practically obsoleted by _free_ linux Operating Systems.
I think children used to make up a larger share, proportionally speaking, of the video game market when xbox live was introduced. Since it was their parents paying for it they didn't have to worry about the costs themselves. Thus, minimal complaints and opposition.
You have a good point about somebody else paying for it. It always confuses me when games that come with Gold or PS Plus is referred to as "free". It's not free if you have to pay money for for it.
It’s like they hold epic tournaments to decide how bad they want to screw their reputation and the antagonist plowed through all the protagonist plot armor and won the tournament.
My least favorite excuse for having to pay for it is "What you can't afford $60 a year?" Of course I can, but I could also use that $60 for a brand new game of MY choosing or like 15 good steam games that I can play online for FREE
Literally why I never bought a PS4 or a Switch. They announced that NSO was going to be paid the September 1 year later and no one cared until it was too late.
Just the fact that you have to pay to play online with friends when you can do so for free on PC, and that for the longest time you’ve had to pay in order to access FREE TO PLAY games, should be enough to indicate that Microsoft will fuck you with no Vaseline for as long as they can get away with it. Note: This is coming from a lifelong Xbox player that’s only recently made the switch to PC.
Reasons like that are why I'm glad I made the transition into PC gaming. I will say that I'm glad that Microsoft finally saw how viable the PC market is and started releasing their exclusives on PC as well as Xbox.
Ive been downgraded to a phone so I still to a few games with friends and emulation, but when I had a decent laptop let me tell ya I couldnt look back. Free games discounted games firesales n all...
Why the focus on Microsoft when Sony have been doing far more anti consumer moves these past years. Even in this video it fails to mention how GOOD game pass ultimate actually is, the video mentions it several times but doesn't mention that most of its subscribers are PC players. Why ignore that?
@@VColossalV gamepass is good,but that doesnt have anything to do with Xbox-live and the scam that is,gamepass for PC isnt even technically the same service Xbox-live is free on PC even,also this channel has videos on sony too doofus
@@Tommy-the-coffee-addict It's an originally Xbox service by Microsoft, so they're obviously related. Just ignore Gold and get Game Pass, sorted. At least you have a choice.
Serious question what kind of pc would a hard core gamer buy whos also looking into learning programming? I never bought my own yet other than potato laptops but now i need something with more power.
@@snuggie1849 unfortunately pc parts are in the same boat as the new consoles right now, out of stock. If you're interested I'd advise looking at a few tech channels and forums to see how much you're willing to spend even though it's going to take a while for things to get back in stock. I built a pc a couple of years ago and honestly it's so nice to have something that I know can deal with programmes unlike my old shitty laptop
Man, no wonder I miss so many appointments!! All this time I thought the "Twenty-Second" day of the month was the one marked on the calender as "22", not "2" as this video has shown me! Thanks for the help!!
Tyler from Knowledgehub: sassing corporatism for 4 years and counting Edit: I’ll say Consumerism for the pricks in the back-yes I’m talking to you, Officer Pimp
This isn't corporatism. You people sound so dumb corporation increased prices they are the epitome of evil. Corporatism would be the government bailing out corporations or the current situation with social media conglomerates
@@0fficerpimp That's not corporatism either, that's crony capitalism. Corporatism is a completely separate economic/political ideology that has to do with the organization of society by common interests.
WARNING I am the unprettiest human alive and I need YT to afford my house and the desires of my two girlfriends so please observe my highly stimulating videos, dear cat
"Worse product that costs money when a free, BETTER alternative exists." now this is a perfect description of every single console with a paid online function.
i still remember the PS4 getting announced and the anger it stirred up when PS Plus fees were included, but then after like a month no one cared and I was absolutely dumbfounded. It got normalized so fast. Why tf would I pay to use something that's been free for YEARS. Corporate nonsense.
@@kyotosinfinity5959 Look, I know you think you have outsmarted every company, but its rather simple. When I watch youtube, I dont spend any money and I watch videos for free. How is youtube free though? Ads! Facebook and youtube are free for me, they are the product (for me). But, while facebook is a product to me, I am a product on the advertiser's perspective and since I literally am not affected by that, I couldn't care less.
@@fregatopolitis you would be incorrect to think that, I definitely have not outsmarted every company. Evidence is my lack of millions/billions. Good try at a debate hook though :)
This neglects the fact that in the early 2000nds and even into the 2010 xbox offered far better online servers options communication options unlike sony.
TL,DR. No company cares about you, they're all just working to figure out the most efficient way to take money from your pocket in the sneakiest way possible.
I love how they are making me not miss switching from consoles, Sony and Micro (and now Nintendo) just seems to keep going under more and more with this "deals" Also no, a good pc might cost you from $800 to $1200 but remember, in the long run you get great deals from steam, you don't have to pay for online, and if something happens a quick Google search can help you fix it instead of waiting for Microsoft to update the Xbox for the 20the time while your internet runs on 8kb per minutes.
Exactly. I think the main reason a lot of people don't make the transition into PC gaming is because they're intimidated by building or maintaining said PC. That's why it took me so long to finally make the change...up until I finally did some research and "man up", so to say, and built my computer. One of the best investments I ever made.
He wasn’t making the point that paying for Xbox live was cheaper, just that many people can afford that in the short term but not dropping a thousand on a new pc.
When I became an adult, I was already paying for monthly services, they were the Car Insurance and Registration, the Health Insurance, the Gas bill, the electricity bill, the water bill and the Internet bill. Can't afford to pay to play online multiplayer on a console like the XBox Live or PlayStation Network and the only online console I ever used was the original Nintendo Wii between 2006 to 2010 to download Virtual Console games and play Mario Kart Wii. Happy my only online console experiences were from that era because expecting me to pay to play online with all the stuff I have to juggle in my monthly life is too much. Thus is the reason why I stay single player and don't pay to play any services. Games are Products, NOT Services.
I mean it's $24 a year versus $180 for xbox and $60 for psn. You aren't totally wrong, they are totally doing the same thing as Sony and Xbox, but nintendo costs way less and you pay the $2 month to month so you just pay it whenever ya need to ask daddy nintendo to let you use the internet. It sucks, but if I had to keep one of the three it'd be nintendo, atleast its less than a meal from mcdonalds
This video is like 15 years late dude. We've long accepted paying for multiplayer access on console and it's an industry standard. I'm happy to pay a monthly fee that 1) Will deter toxic players who would only have access if it was free 2) Allows publishers to lower costs on consoles and hardware, and 3) These companies making more money means more products which equates to more games. I'm all good here 🤙
It's only an standard practice thanks to people like you, it was a bad business practice then and it still is now. 1) because muting and reporting mean people after a game is so hard right? 2) what you don't pay when actually buying the console you will pay it with live/psn 3) games would be profitable enough regardless. People like you are a blight for this industry
@@jhonnypeligro1159 You don't even remotely understand money do you? The companies are going to get paid one way or the other. Taking away mp costs would only reallocate payments somewhere else. They began charging in the first place because the size and quality of games was increasing exponentially but the POS cost of a game stayed the same for a looong time. So as costs to make games went up, and profits plateoud, they had to implement further charges. They chose to put it in front of mp. Which to me is better than locking away let's say story content? What piece of your game do *you* prefer behind a pay wall if you're so smart? Because production costs are going to get covered regardless of your hurt feelings.
Call of Duty 2 is the game credited for establishing the $60 valuation. You wanna sit here and tell me the quality of game is the same as when CoD2 came out? (Not modern warfare 2 either, "Call of Duty 2").
@@iWookie911 that's bulllshit tho, games right now are more profitable than ever before thanks to things like microtransactions, DLC and digital copies since they don't have to rely in physical stores anymore, none of these would be a thing if paid mp was done in order to prevent paywalls in the games themselves like you seem to believe, also AAA games are so expensive nowadays because of marketing expenses more than the actual productions costs.
@@jhonnypeligro1159 Right. But dlc costs share between publishers developers, etc. Mp costs are for the most part, allocated to publishers. Developers need more money, publishers need it, marketing companies need, it. And a dlc, a physical game, a digital game etc profits are all shared between these entities differently. You're on the right track, but you're generalizing and missing a few points. And your homeboy with the UA-cam channel here should be leading you in the right direction not making crap up. We can't establish consumer friendly monetization strategies if channels like these spin us in circles.
what i don't understand is why i have to pay for switch online despite a huge chunk of their multiplayer games being p2p if they wanna say paid online is for server costs, then where are the damn servers?
Tyler Knowledgehub: King Of Getting Me to Think “Shit My Headphones R Fucked” Despite the Fact They Were Working Fine Mere Seconds Ago Also really nice type of video you’ve been producing lately
When I was 11, one of the 2 reasons I never wanted a PS4 or Xbone and got the Wii U instead was because I didn’t want to pay for multiplayer. I was really disappointed to see a Microsoft cultural victory in 2017 with what happened with Switch’s online but then again they are a company too so I should’ve seen that as inevitable.
Xbox Live Party Chat hasn't been working properly for anybody I know for months now. It just keeps glitching out, disconnecting people, and cutting out their audio.
Man... I wish gaming went back to simpler stuff like this- “Damn bro you gotta pay 60$ a year for online multiplayer???”. Xbooty 360 vs Poop Station 3 was awesome. Shame everything nowadays has gone bad- not in the good “9 year old on black ops telling you he did your mom”, but in the “Pride and accomplishment”, “Every game is broken on launch now”, and “RIP basically every franchise owned by a major publisher” way.
One of the reasons I switched from my xbox 360 to PC was the staggering difference between games' prices in the two platforms. Of course, you still could buy pirated games in the Xbox and play online, but the reliability of still supporting the producer and being able to play without paying was something so surprising to me that since then I never bought a console again.
I gotta say the price argument against PC appears surprisingly weak to me. I'm using an relatively old and mid range set of parts ranging from 3-6 years old and can still run new games at medium settings.
> What are you gonna do about it? Already did something about it. I switched from xbox to PC when the xbox one came out cause I got sick of Microsoft's shit. Don't even use windows that much anymore. I use linux now, and only switch to my windows partition when I can't use proton or lutris to run a windows game.
I was gonna say "They never scammed me, I never payed for it.", then I remembered that I still bought games for a system that essentially didn't have an internet connection for the same price as I could have for another console that did.
I bought my PC for the price a PS5 currently costs, back in 2019. I can still run CP2077 at High settings with 60fps 1080p, though usually I wait until later in a consoles life and just buy it to physically preserve my single player games. Free online = I use it to play online games, paid online + discs = I just use it to play discs. If Xbox and PS lose the disc trays in the future, I will never have reason to buy a console again when my PC for the same price has infinitely more value, at the loss of physical media.
@@fiercelypolygons3696 Suit yourself, next gen consols cost more than that but with that money you can get a PC that'll remain non-obsolete for like a decade or so. (pre-2010 PCs are ass though)
The same people who say they won't pay to play games online certainly like to pay to watch movies online thru several subscriptions. I mean, I am a gamer more than a movier, I am willing to pay for a gaming service before a movie service. You can watch any movie for free if you search for it, but you can't play any game for free on a browser. So, I always wondered why people say paying for a hobby they love is a scam, when every form of media does this? I don't need netflix to watch movies, I don't need Xbox Live to play games online, so when I choose these things, it is out of preference. Good video tho!
What is a decent company? The point is not never consume/use anything, just that all companys will pass the line if you allow it, payd online is a standard because back at the 360 days, people payed for it, later on , on future consoles sony and nintendo took advantage of that as well, thats all
Yeah, it's ridiculous that we have to pay to use the internet when paying a tax for it in one form or another. I was surprise that there wasn't a large outrage when Nintendo added switch online
If only PC games can stop being bugged to all hell and expect modders to fill in the blanks. Then again, this is the case for every major game now. Why did this industry not crash a decade or so ago?
@@wojak-sensei6424 LOL you think every PC game is "bugged"? Also, in the games I play, I haven't encountered a single modder. So don't debate on this stuff if you don't have a PC...
Never stan a corporation, they are only there to sell you a product or service. Thinking of them anything other than that is cringe, they arent your friend and they don't care about you. They're using marketing strategies to manipulate you into thinking they and their product are the best thing ever
so as a neutral pc,ps,xbox player let me see. PSN needs to be paid and has shitty monthly games AND not working servers Xbox gold needs to be paid and has good monthly games and working servers. sooo? i dont see your point. The only thing im playing on a playstation are the exlusives.
P2P has a server cost. Match making and server list have to live somewhere. Not quite as expensive but it can still have a major costs when you've got a few hundred thousand people pinging a server over a socket or slow polling to find other players to start a match with. You've got a load balancer, a few boxes at least and something managing scaling. Depending on traffic that's a few hundred to a few thousand a month per multilayer game.
Jim Sterling once coined a term for this - solution selling (or something like that). When companies deliberately make their product worse and then sell you the "solution". Like disconnecting the console from the internet unless you pay for it. It's mad that they can get away with this
Paying for online always felt strange to me, never understood why people would pay a monthly extra to be forced to use controllers and to be on generally weaker hardware for the price
This is a good video with great insight. Silly nitpick here though. Running profit in business is called being in the black, not being in the green. Being in the green is a business that uses sustainable material to make their products, like as in being environmentally friendly. Sorry for being that guy.
You forgot to add '...and Playstation' to the title. Western home-consoles are basicslly overpriced medium-settings computers with custom OS, which offers nothing but limitations like 'payed multiplayer' and 'millions of subscriptions'.
Aye, ive been trying to convince friends and family and now, NOW that the price is so extreme over time, do they realize 2k now is better than 7k in 3 years. And then another 3 years dropping lump sums for that new console and another year sub and rebuying your games if backwards compatibility. Then ya add the space of having 2 gens of consoles so ya can keep playing the old games.
@@SenorGuina it is there HQ is in California why do you think alot of people are saying they should put their HQ back in Japan but anyway it's counted as a western company because alot of the shit they do is the same as western companies
@@alphawolf1786 No wtf, their HQ is in Tokyo, doing the same shit as a western company doesn't make it a western company, just say it's companies in general instead of trying to bend reality so you can be right
Small correction. The only reason Xbox started giving away games was to compete with PS Plus, which had been giving games every month from the beginning.
None of my friends understood why I called XBox Live a scam from the start. I told them that they're just paying for the privilege of using an internet connection that they already paid for, because XBox Live literally doesn't do anything. They show you all the ads that make them money either way. It could just be a free to access website, like it literally is...on your computer.
"What are you gonna do about it?"
Same thing I've always done... Not pay.
Aaaargh!!!
Yearg! Hoist the black flag matey!
This, the only consoles I've ever played were PS1 and PS2... And I didn't even pay for them, they were given to me
You're going to pay one way or the other if you own a console.
@@HTHAMMACK1 Not if you only play single player games.
If the X-box doesn't love me, it will be the Ex-box.
@Thot Patrol USA
Please don't. The less visible i am to Y.T. the better.
@@counterstructure4908 very humble
Your weebness is obvious
At this point Tyler’s videos have become their own genre.
Remember when he just made kinda normal geography videos? 😂😂
@@xayer98 that was back when Cody used the channel
@@xayer98 he sounds like a completely different person then
@digitalXmage Yeah this is just commentary by a different person, that doesn’t make it a new genre...
Philosophical Acid trip
Ah yes, time for a man inside a drug trip to tell me how much society sucks.
It feels more like he's telling me how much I suck. And I enjoy it.
@@christiang1781 Not you, capitalism.
Society does suck, and don’t underestimate the knowledge to be gained from drugs that take you on a trip. To suggest that human brains are the only kinds of neural networks, well for one is objectively false, but also incredibly narrow minded and human centric.
This video screams "I'm 16 and this is deep." Lmfao.
@@ImTheMan0fSteel how so?
"Who'd have thought paying online for this service would ever have gone over well"
Dude. When the original Xbox came out and I heard you had to pay to play your games online, my retort was: "Fuck that. I got a PC for online gaming."
Honestly...I never really changed my mind about that.
Goof
Well props for sticking to your guns
Similar story, used to be a PS "fan boy", then Sony announces they're gonna start charging for online for the PS4 and I said "welp... it was about time I got me one of those fancy PCs", saved up some cash and got me a PC. Hands down the best investment I've ever made.
@@ErikNiceBoy same
@@ErikNiceBoy funny thing is theyd pulled me back to consoles with ps3, and the online fee for ps4 meant back to pc. My wife and I have a switch but nope to paying for something already there, artificially blocked.
Imagine paying to play online to get called the n word by a 12 year old.
"n word"???
Imagine paying and getting called a “homeless piss cover cat boy who hasn’t showed in a year” thankfully I don’t pay for that someone just calls me that for free.
@@quapin8174 You homeless piss covered cat boy who hasn't showered in a year
Imaging paying to play online and get banned for SAYING the n word
And something about my mother that's not remotely possible.
“January 22nd, 2021” “January 2nd, 2021”
*CONFUSED SCREAMING*
PRESENT DAY
PRESENT TIME
I watched it 3 times to make sure i heard it right
Beat me to it lol
He meant “January 222nd, 2021”
@@demonjunkie6588 *Manic laughter*
WHAT? A COMPANY DOING SOMETHING SHADY FOR MONEY?? There's no way.
Lol
I stopped buying consoles when they made online paid. Just doesn't sit right with me. Feels like I'm getting scammed
You are. They bundle in some games that no one cares about so it doesn't seem that way.
@@Mik-kv8xx Xbox Game Pass Ultimate is mostly PC players. It is widely considered one of the best deals in gaming, that's why many Pc gamers use it - you get 100's of games, and a bunch of other bonuses like cloud game streaming for your mobile devices.
So no, not games nobody cares about.
@@VColossalV I'm talking about ps plus and xbox live
@@Mik-kv8xx Ok, but Xbox Game Pass includes Gold. You are for sure not getting scammed with that, there exists no rival to the value provided.
@@VColossalV I *only* meant ps plus and xbox live when I was talking about scams
"Xbox doesn't love you"
Yeah no sh*t, a multimillion dollar corporation does not care what a surprise
no shit, no company does
@@moister3727 Nintendo loves me
@@fastest-man-alive no they dont
What's more surprising is some people think massive corporations DO care (re:Black History Month, Gay Pride, National Women's Day, etc.)
@@fastest-man-alive Nintendo would sue a homeless man for singing a song that vaguely sounds like the Zelda theme.
I never understood why people pay to play online, it’s nonsense. You already pay for the internet right
In the early console days, that money was used to maintain multiplayer servers. Now it's just pay2play
@@Insky_ did you not watch the video? The majority of games on consoles used peer to peer, or the developer's own servers; completely separate from the consoles' internet access.
When I was younger I got this service because my friends didn’t own a pc yet.
Insky someone didn’t watch the video
It does use dedicated servers unlike the video guy says, yes, it's overpriced but in exchange you play in a platform where hackers are rare, you can store your saves to play them in your friends houses and the platform is just plug and play
I had all consoles since the game cube and playing on xbox vs playing on ps3 was like day and night, yes I liked more those playstation exclusives but online gaming was more consistent on the xbox and I had good internet, and it really showed since gta5 on xbox 360 had dedicated servers and on ps3 it was peer to peer
if only people hadnt bent over and said "yes please" when they started charging for the privilege of multiplayer in the first place
I bent over and took it. It's my fault. But i was like 15 at the time.
@@hrthrhs at least you can admit the mistake
now its our job to fix it
feel like he’s using this video to also vent all his frustration he’s had with Microsoft in the past 20 years
Reminds me of videogamedunkey.
@@Abel-Alvarez but an intellectual. Dunkey had ascended
Some point he makes are obsolete by now. Like cant accses Netflix.
The reason I got a ps4 was because I didn't think there was a fee for playing online. I was deeply mistaken.
There wasn’t on ps3 but they joined Microsoft’s wave once the ps4 came out
I was pissed when I found out you had to pay to play online. All these companies are the same
I was disappointed and mad that I had to pay for ps+ to have online multiplayer on PS4 because I was used to jot paying for it.
And the switch did the same for me. Stuff's bullshit
@@2phonebabykeem913 and ps3 had infinitely worse online features. Everyone agrees that ps3 had shitty online in comparison.
Xbox live is worth it. Xbox gamepass ultimate is even more so. You are paying for the services. For their hosting of servers, for bonuses like free games (4 a month) large discounts on games, social services, and other networking services for matchmaking.
The audio in this vid sounds so much better, keep up the great work!
Agreed, thank you!
Yee
My thought exactly. Good on him. People will certainly notice bad audio but will not say anything if it's good audio so good job.. on the good audio
Yeah I noticed too
How? It's still panned really bad, it's so much better to listen to if you force the player to mono
"What are you gonna do about it?"
Play on PC and not buy any consoles. The question now is, "What are they gonna do about that?"
Well if ur on PC most likely microsoft is getting ur money anyways.
They don't need to do anything because high end PC's that compete with next gen consoles are far more expensive. Even the video explains it. That's the trade off, you get good hardware for cheap, and you pay for services. Game pass ultimate is also extremely good value for what you get, most of its subscribers are PC players.
@@RushGamma
Install gentoo
@@RushGamma No they don't, no one company owns pc, its made up of multiple components from different companies so no not any one has much control over the pc market, windows is just an OS that is practically obsoleted by _free_ linux Operating Systems.
@@unlimited8410 Maybe for gaming, but for general use? Absolutely not. Lots of software that many folks use every day are unavailable on Linux.
When paying to play online became a thing, I almost couldn’t believe it lol
But corporate greed and our complacency ruined everything
@@buffkangaroodog except you dont need a 60/yr subscription on PC games buddy.
@@JOHNSMITH-sj3lg blizzard is a garbage company
@@JOHNSMITH-sj3lg no it absolutely wasnt.
@@buffkangaroodog there are 0 games on steam that need subscriptions btw wow is literally the only game that needs one
I think children used to make up a larger share, proportionally speaking, of the video game market when xbox live was introduced. Since it was their parents paying for it they didn't have to worry about the costs themselves. Thus, minimal complaints and opposition.
Also social media was practically in its infancy still. It was harder to spread awareness over stuff like this back then.
You have a good point about somebody else paying for it. It always confuses me when games that come with Gold or PS Plus is referred to as "free". It's not free if you have to pay money for for it.
"you don't buy a Xbox for the games, you buy because your friends have it."
Untill those friends move to pc, and you start to ask yourself "why the hell do I even own an Xbox? "
@@MechanicWolf85 I get to Carry my Xbox all over the world, unlike ps5
@@mervynlan7727 because god forbid you go anywhere without your home console
@@mervynlan7727 nobody would steal an xbox if thats what you mean
@@Shinoisreal xD yeah, it's like having an old beaten up car, no one would ever wanna steal a piece of shit like an Xbox xD
It’s like they hold epic tournaments to decide how bad they want to screw their reputation and the antagonist plowed through all the protagonist plot armor and won the tournament.
My least favorite excuse for having to pay for it is "What you can't afford $60 a year?" Of course I can, but I could also use that $60 for a brand new game of MY choosing or like 15 good steam games that I can play online for FREE
Last time I was this earlier, this channel was called Geography Hub
I never noticed the change hahahaha omggggg
Damn I feel old now
@@bestbry1 I think it has been well over a year since he has changed it
Can't believe it's been a few years, I feel old now
Paying for online beyond the internet provider itself is like buying a can of air in a dense forest.
And you still have to do it cause the air company poisoned all the plants
Now Nintendo is charging money to play Online.
Thank You Microsoft.
I miss Iwata
Nintendo switch online deluxe
They even inspired Sony to the same
Literally why I never bought a PS4 or a Switch. They announced that NSO was going to be paid the September 1 year later and no one cared until it was too late.
And Nintendo fans will continue to vehemently defend Nintendo charging for the shitty peer-to-peer service.
Just the fact that you have to pay to play online with friends when you can do so for free on PC, and that for the longest time you’ve had to pay in order to access FREE TO PLAY games, should be enough to indicate that Microsoft will fuck you with no Vaseline for as long as they can get away with it.
Note: This is coming from a lifelong Xbox player that’s only recently made the switch to PC.
Reasons like that are why I'm glad I made the transition into PC gaming. I will say that I'm glad that Microsoft finally saw how viable the PC market is and started releasing their exclusives on PC as well as Xbox.
Ive been downgraded to a phone so I still to a few games with friends and emulation, but when I had a decent laptop let me tell ya I couldnt look back.
Free games discounted games firesales n all...
Why the focus on Microsoft when Sony have been doing far more anti consumer moves these past years. Even in this video it fails to mention how GOOD game pass ultimate actually is, the video mentions it several times but doesn't mention that most of its subscribers are PC players. Why ignore that?
@@VColossalV gamepass is good,but that doesnt have anything to do with Xbox-live and the scam that is,gamepass for PC isnt even technically the same service
Xbox-live is free on PC even,also this channel has videos on sony too doofus
@@Tommy-the-coffee-addict It's an originally Xbox service by Microsoft, so they're obviously related. Just ignore Gold and get Game Pass, sorted. At least you have a choice.
"What are you going to do about it?"
Guitar. Weed. Go for a hike. Come back when it's worth checking out again.
Sorry mate, you are mandated to buy subscription products by law now
@@KP3droflxp bruh, don't bring taxes into this...
Ah-em, PCs are where it is at. Thank you for coming to my Ted-Talk.
Serious question what kind of pc would a hard core gamer buy whos also looking into learning programming? I never bought my own yet other than potato laptops but now i need something with more power.
@@snuggie1849 unfortunately pc parts are in the same boat as the new consoles right now, out of stock. If you're interested I'd advise looking at a few tech channels and forums to see how much you're willing to spend even though it's going to take a while for things to get back in stock. I built a pc a couple of years ago and honestly it's so nice to have something that I know can deal with programmes unlike my old shitty laptop
@@seanonraet8327 ok, thanks for the info, ill start looking in more places for tips
Thanks bro!
But now PC parts cost more than the damn consoles and like 5 years of gold or PS+
Man, no wonder I miss so many appointments!!
All this time I thought the "Twenty-Second" day of the month was the one marked on the calender as "22", not "2" as this video has shown me!
Thanks for the help!!
sony only started charging for online on ps3 after microsoft started doing it. this shit sucks man
So do sony care about you that much !!
"Xbox doesn't love you" what?! You mean this box an immanent object that is made by a corporation doesn't love me?! Insanity. Pure insanity.
Last time I was this early, this channel was still about traditional knowledge
Everyone: you're a trillion dollar company why do you not do what the people want for once
Microsoft: I like money
Tyler from Knowledgehub: sassing corporatism for 4 years and counting
Edit: I’ll say Consumerism for the pricks in the back-yes I’m talking to you, Officer Pimp
This isn't corporatism. You people sound so dumb corporation increased prices they are the epitome of evil. Corporatism would be the government bailing out corporations or the current situation with social media conglomerates
@@0fficerpimp That's not corporatism either, that's crony capitalism.
Corporatism is a completely separate economic/political ideology that has to do with the organization of society by common interests.
@@glasket_ Finally someone who knows the fucking difference
@@glasket_ I stand corrected, my apologies.
@@0fficerpimp owning up for saying something wrong? *BASED*
It trends. These are the same people who buy the same game every year with marginal to no iteration from the last edition.
There should be laws against people being tasteless morons who put market pressure for mediocrity on the rest of us who actually give a shit.
@@MisterZimbabwe imagine what the housing sector would look like with thoughs laws .
@@crookeddoghomebrew9144 A man can dream!
Comfort me Cortana-Clone, this man is speaking the truth again.
WARNING I am the unprettiest human alive and I need YT to afford my house and the desires of my two girlfriends so please observe my highly stimulating videos, dear cat
@@AxxLAfriku Cortana-Clone, consume his Credit Rating.
cbt
"Worse product that costs money when a free, BETTER alternative exists."
now this is a perfect description of every single console with a paid online function.
it's also a perfect description for piracy
That's why my ps4 has been lying around for a year.
Both Sony and Microsoft just want the money it's obvious how money hungry they are.
And I played more With mi 3DS than With my switch
i still remember the PS4 getting announced and the anger it stirred up when PS Plus fees were included, but then after like a month no one cared and I was absolutely dumbfounded. It got normalized so fast.
Why tf would I pay to use something that's been free for YEARS. Corporate nonsense.
3 months of gamepass every year at Christmas when it's a dollar gang rise up
I do that shit every month, I just need to make a new outlook account
@@20thcentury_toy here on sony side they patch every method that give us free ps plus
@@lavarball4470 that sucks, on christmas i got thre months for 1 dollar
@@20thcentury_toy yeah at least xbox isn't going on their way to patch every single method
Facebook isn’t free, you are the product and advertisers pay to access such product.
Microsoft sells your data, for a fee
Sounds like free to me
@@fregatopolitis yes the same way it’s free for dogs to be transported from pet store to owner.
@@kyotosinfinity5959 Look, I know you think you have outsmarted every company, but its rather simple. When I watch youtube, I dont spend any money and I watch videos for free. How is youtube free though? Ads! Facebook and youtube are free for me, they are the product (for me). But, while facebook is a product to me, I am a product on the advertiser's perspective and since I literally am not affected by that, I couldn't care less.
@@fregatopolitis you would be incorrect to think that, I definitely have not outsmarted every company. Evidence is my lack of millions/billions. Good try at a debate hook though :)
This neglects the fact that in the early 2000nds and even into the 2010 xbox offered far better online servers options communication options unlike sony.
“Consoles are cheap”
> Precedes to show a $500 console
Compared to PC's there cheap in terms of video game systems
@@crashed6510 £500 nowadays can get you something standard especially if you add what you spend on subscription
@@crashed6510 You makeup for that in online subscriptions and game prices. All has to be factored in.
I'm pretty sure he said aren't but it sounded like are.
Edit: Ok...I can't tell anymore...
Cheap to make, expensive to buy sadly
TL,DR. No company cares about you, they're all just working to figure out the most efficient way to take money from your pocket in the sneakiest way possible.
Not for nothing but this is why Nintendo's $20 a year is not really troubling to me
I love how they are making me not miss switching from consoles, Sony and Micro (and now Nintendo) just seems to keep going under more and more with this "deals"
Also no, a good pc might cost you from $800 to $1200 but remember, in the long run you get great deals from steam, you don't have to pay for online, and if something happens a quick Google search can help you fix it instead of waiting for Microsoft to update the Xbox for the 20the time while your internet runs on 8kb per minutes.
Exactly. I think the main reason a lot of people don't make the transition into PC gaming is because they're intimidated by building or maintaining said PC. That's why it took me so long to finally make the change...up until I finally did some research and "man up", so to say, and built my computer. One of the best investments I ever made.
@@TheDeadAlewives for me its the fact that my parents wont pay for something as expensive as a pc
@@eugeemz That's understandable. Hope in the future you afford to build your own, bud.
He wasn’t making the point that paying for Xbox live was cheaper, just that many people can afford that in the short term but not dropping a thousand on a new pc.
You do not even have to drop 800$ for a pc sometimes if you just like playing good single player or indie games you will be fine with a 500$ pc
When I became an adult, I was already paying for monthly services, they were the Car Insurance and Registration, the Health Insurance, the Gas bill, the electricity bill, the water bill and the Internet bill.
Can't afford to pay to play online multiplayer on a console like the XBox Live or PlayStation Network and the only online console I ever used was the original Nintendo Wii between 2006 to 2010 to download Virtual Console games and play Mario Kart Wii.
Happy my only online console experiences were from that era because expecting me to pay to play online with all the stuff I have to juggle in my monthly life is too much.
Thus is the reason why I stay single player and don't pay to play any services.
Games are Products, NOT Services.
Casually ignores switch online.
He didn't
I mean it's $24 a year versus $180 for xbox and $60 for psn. You aren't totally wrong, they are totally doing the same thing as Sony and Xbox, but nintendo costs way less and you pay the $2 month to month so you just pay it whenever ya need to ask daddy nintendo to let you use the internet. It sucks, but if I had to keep one of the three it'd be nintendo, atleast its less than a meal from mcdonalds
@@Mik-kv8xx yes but also no
@@sparkybleu nintendo online is horrible, it lags non stop despite a solid connection
When the video starts with january 2nd and guy says 22nd, you know the content is worth it
Paying to play online is the biggest scam of this century.
But let's talk about how Sony's forcing you to pay for demos and trials.
This video is like 15 years late dude. We've long accepted paying for multiplayer access on console and it's an industry standard. I'm happy to pay a monthly fee that 1) Will deter toxic players who would only have access if it was free 2) Allows publishers to lower costs on consoles and hardware, and 3) These companies making more money means more products which equates to more games. I'm all good here 🤙
It's only an standard practice thanks to people like you, it was a bad business practice then and it still is now.
1) because muting and reporting mean people after a game is so hard right?
2) what you don't pay when actually buying the console you will pay it with live/psn
3) games would be profitable enough regardless.
People like you are a blight for this industry
@@jhonnypeligro1159 You don't even remotely understand money do you? The companies are going to get paid one way or the other. Taking away mp costs would only reallocate payments somewhere else.
They began charging in the first place because the size and quality of games was increasing exponentially but the POS cost of a game stayed the same for a looong time. So as costs to make games went up, and profits plateoud, they had to implement further charges. They chose to put it in front of mp. Which to me is better than locking away let's say story content? What piece of your game do *you* prefer behind a pay wall if you're so smart? Because production costs are going to get covered regardless of your hurt feelings.
Call of Duty 2 is the game credited for establishing the $60 valuation. You wanna sit here and tell me the quality of game is the same as when CoD2 came out? (Not modern warfare 2 either, "Call of Duty 2").
@@iWookie911 that's bulllshit tho, games right now are more profitable than ever before thanks to things like microtransactions, DLC and digital copies since they don't have to rely in physical stores anymore, none of these would be a thing if paid mp was done in order to prevent paywalls in the games themselves like you seem to believe, also AAA games are so expensive nowadays because of marketing expenses more than the actual productions costs.
@@jhonnypeligro1159 Right. But dlc costs share between publishers developers, etc. Mp costs are for the most part, allocated to publishers. Developers need more money, publishers need it, marketing companies need, it. And a dlc, a physical game, a digital game etc profits are all shared between these entities differently.
You're on the right track, but you're generalizing and missing a few points. And your homeboy with the UA-cam channel here should be leading you in the right direction not making crap up.
We can't establish consumer friendly monetization strategies if channels like these spin us in circles.
what i don't understand is why i have to pay for switch online despite a huge chunk of their multiplayer games being p2p
if they wanna say paid online is for server costs, then where are the damn servers?
also inb4 some comment about me being some kind of fanboy
I'm an idort
Screen “January 2nd”
Tyler “January 2,200,000nd”
Tyler is always right
last time i was this early it was school 5 years ago and the doors werent unlocked
at first I was like “ YEAH Ultima Online shout out” but then I was like “fuck I’m old”
Tyler Knowledgehub: King Of Getting Me to Think “Shit My Headphones R Fucked” Despite the Fact They Were Working Fine Mere Seconds Ago
Also really nice type of video you’ve been producing lately
"What are you gonna do about it?"
Buy all consoles/console games used and play online games exclusively on PC.
The audio panning is still a tiny bit weird but I have to give credit where it's due, the audio is a lot better now
When I was 11, one of the 2 reasons I never wanted a PS4 or Xbone and got the Wii U instead was because I didn’t want to pay for multiplayer. I was really disappointed to see a Microsoft cultural victory in 2017 with what happened with Switch’s online but then again they are a company too so I should’ve seen that as inevitable.
So it's microsoft fault because the other ones followed!!
In some ways, Nintendo is the worst fucking offender of the big three.
@@NottJoeyOfficial what’s that mean
@@maxpawa9282 yea pretty much
@@Blue-Apple-fc9eo Therefore it's sony's fault because games are now $70 since they start it first!
The videos have really come a long way. Love what the channel has become. Keep up the great work!
What am I going to do about it?
I've tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas!
Xbox Live Party Chat hasn't been working properly for anybody I know for months now. It just keeps glitching out, disconnecting people, and cutting out their audio.
Man... I wish gaming went back to simpler stuff like this- “Damn bro you gotta pay 60$ a year for online multiplayer???”. Xbooty 360 vs Poop Station 3 was awesome.
Shame everything nowadays has gone bad- not in the good “9 year old on black ops telling you he did your mom”, but in the “Pride and accomplishment”, “Every game is broken on launch now”, and “RIP basically every franchise owned by a major publisher” way.
I miss the old Black Ops 1 and 2 and Modern Warfare 3 days, its how I met a shit ton of my current Steam and Discord friends.
One of the reasons I switched from my xbox 360 to PC was the staggering difference between games' prices in the two platforms.
Of course, you still could buy pirated games in the Xbox and play online, but the reliability of still supporting the producer and being able to play without paying was something so surprising to me that since then I never bought a console again.
I gotta say the price argument against PC appears surprisingly weak to me. I'm using an relatively old and mid range set of parts ranging from 3-6 years old and can still run new games at medium settings.
> What are you gonna do about it?
Already did something about it. I switched from xbox to PC when the xbox one came out cause I got sick of Microsoft's shit. Don't even use windows that much anymore. I use linux now, and only switch to my windows partition when I can't use proton or lutris to run a windows game.
I was gonna say "They never scammed me, I never payed for it.", then I remembered that I still bought games for a system that essentially didn't have an internet connection for the same price as I could have for another console that did.
same
Why in tarnation is blender on gosh darn steam 8:27
I bought my PC for the price a PS5 currently costs, back in 2019. I can still run CP2077 at High settings with 60fps 1080p, though usually I wait until later in a consoles life and just buy it to physically preserve my single player games. Free online = I use it to play online games, paid online + discs = I just use it to play discs. If Xbox and PS lose the disc trays in the future, I will never have reason to buy a console again when my PC for the same price has infinitely more value, at the loss of physical media.
Specs ?
@@Miguel-ou2py If you know where to look you can buy a beefy PC for like $800 with still more space to add better parts to.
@@Jonathan-fb1kj $800?
No thanks, I'm better off buying a console with 3 years of multiplayer.
@@fiercelypolygons3696 Suit yourself, next gen consols cost more than that but with that money you can get a PC that'll remain non-obsolete for like a decade or so. (pre-2010 PCs are ass though)
glad this one has way better audio quality. good on you, man. love ya
Never understood why console gamers enjoy getting railed by Microsoft and Sony
The same people who say they won't pay to play games online certainly like to pay to watch movies online thru several subscriptions. I mean, I am a gamer more than a movier, I am willing to pay for a gaming service before a movie service. You can watch any movie for free if you search for it, but you can't play any game for free on a browser. So, I always wondered why people say paying for a hobby they love is a scam, when every form of media does this? I don't need netflix to watch movies, I don't need Xbox Live to play games online, so when I choose these things, it is out of preference. Good video tho!
Online games don't need to be paid. Streaming services do.
tyler, you seem not to like not a single game company services. is there a company that you consider decent?
What is a decent company? The point is not never consume/use anything, just that all companys will pass the line if you allow it, payd online is a standard because back at the 360 days, people payed for it, later on , on future consoles sony and nintendo took advantage of that as well, thats all
Finally fixed the audio, good job!
Yeah, it's ridiculous that we have to pay to use the internet when paying a tax for it in one form or another. I was surprise that there wasn't a large outrage when Nintendo added switch online
Most Nintendo games are designed for single-player or local co-op
Yeah that makes sense, I still hear people locally talk about how it made no sense yet no large out cry from what I seen.
There was a large outcry
props to ya for fixing the audio bro
"What are you gonna do about it?"
Laugh in PC masterrace.
6:30 nostalgia, a bag of full of nostalgia juice hung up and hooked to an IV, the drip mainlining drop by drop baby
I didn't even realize how early I started watching this. Screenshotted it with no views listed, but the comments had already started to flow
It's like this with exclusives too, but once again, what's a handful of individuals gonna do about mass stupidity
PC is the way, consoles will nickel and dime you into paying more than you would for a PC and games
If only PC games can stop being bugged to all hell and expect modders to fill in the blanks. Then again, this is the case for every major game now. Why did this industry not crash a decade or so ago?
@@wojak-sensei6424 because we keep buying them
@@wojak-sensei6424 LOL you think every PC game is "bugged"? Also, in the games I play, I haven't encountered a single modder. So don't debate on this stuff if you don't have a PC...
@@d1t5 Have you played gta online.
@@kieferkarpfen6897 Isn't it like that on every single platform?
We couldn't stop it because people were uninformed and thought that charging money for online was the reason that xbox online was better.
Buuuuttt big companyyy LOVES me, whhhyyy on earth would they SCAAAMMMMM ME 😞😮
Never stan a corporation, they are only there to sell you a product or service. Thinking of them anything other than that is cringe, they arent your friend and they don't care about you. They're using marketing strategies to manipulate you into thinking they and their product are the best thing ever
@@Gameprojordan I think the guy is just trolling
Consumers need to stop giving in to their bullshit.
Watching this on the UA-cam app on my Xbox
Dude, you paid Microsoft money just to access UA-cam...........
Dunkey's Microsoft Sucks video still holds true after all these years.
so as a neutral pc,ps,xbox player let me see.
PSN needs to be paid and has shitty monthly games AND not working servers
Xbox gold needs to be paid and has good monthly games and working servers.
sooo? i dont see your point. The only thing im playing on a playstation are the exlusives.
P2P has a server cost. Match making and server list have to live somewhere. Not quite as expensive but it can still have a major costs when you've got a few hundred thousand people pinging a server over a socket or slow polling to find other players to start a match with. You've got a load balancer, a few boxes at least and something managing scaling. Depending on traffic that's a few hundred to a few thousand a month per multilayer game.
I was an Xbox Live member for almost 10 years until I invested in a gaming PC. Now I wonder why I didn't do it sooner.
Jim Sterling once coined a term for this - solution selling (or something like that). When companies deliberately make their product worse and then sell you the "solution". Like disconnecting the console from the internet unless you pay for it. It's mad that they can get away with this
Paying for online always felt strange to me, never understood why people would pay a monthly extra to be forced to use controllers and to be on generally weaker hardware for the price
I am to lazy to learn to play with a keyboard
Until a friend mentioned they had to pay to play online games I didn't know that, and I laughed for a solid minute after
i literally just use Microsoft rewards and make alt accounts to get Xbox Game Pass for $1
Person of culture
This is the way
This is a good video with great insight. Silly nitpick here though. Running profit in business is called being in the black, not being in the green. Being in the green is a business that uses sustainable material to make their products, like as in being environmentally friendly. Sorry for being that guy.
"Consoles are cheap"
Laughs and cry in 3rd world country
Compared to a flagship phone these days
Nice vid!
Pretty superficial research and explanation, but you get your point across.
You forgot to add '...and Playstation' to the title. Western home-consoles are basicslly overpriced medium-settings computers with custom OS, which offers nothing but limitations like 'payed multiplayer' and 'millions of subscriptions'.
Aye, ive been trying to convince friends and family and now, NOW that the price is so extreme over time, do they realize 2k now is better than 7k in 3 years. And then another 3 years dropping lump sums for that new console and another year sub and rebuying your games if backwards compatibility. Then ya add the space of having 2 gens of consoles so ya can keep playing the old games.
"western", Playstation isn't western
@@SenorGuina it is there HQ is in California why do you think alot of people are saying they should put their HQ back in Japan but anyway it's counted as a western company because alot of the shit they do is the same as western companies
@@alphawolf1786 No wtf, their HQ is in Tokyo, doing the same shit as a western company doesn't make it a western company, just say it's companies in general instead of trying to bend reality so you can be right
@@SenorGuina they're movie side is in Tokyo but their gaming side is in California just look it up
Small correction. The only reason Xbox started giving away games was to compete with PS Plus, which had been giving games every month from the beginning.
Your video tells me you dont own an Xbox, corect?😄
You dont need live to use UA-cam or Netflix.
None of my friends understood why I called XBox Live a scam from the start. I told them that they're just paying for the privilege of using an internet connection that they already paid for, because XBox Live literally doesn't do anything. They show you all the ads that make them money either way. It could just be a free to access website, like it literally is...on your computer.