Recycle Old Computers With Red Key
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- Before you recycle your old computer you have to destroy the data on your hard drive. Today we are looking at a product called Red Key that is a retail solution to this problem.
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Very good that you explain this. I don't think, even in this day and age, that the average computer user has any concept of this.
I've been using DBAN for years and it cost nothing. It comes in an ISO format that can be burnt onto an optical disk or used on an USB drive. Be thrifty and research, you'd be surprised how many good freeware programs are available.
Yep, I mentioned that in the video. However DBAN doesn't support secure erase so it's not a great option for SSDs. It does a great sector by sector wipe though.
I've managed to recover data even after dban did a 3 pass wipe I have no idea how but yeah red keys ui is alot easier and nicer with its multiple different options too
Glossing on the fact that disk wipers for home use are free, on an SSD I'd prefer to use the secure ata erase command... (the TWO elephants in the room you mentioned).
The simplest way to address the issue though is to encrypt all drives. At that point even a simple quick format will render all data inaccessible.
This works very well for new drives that may fail under warranty one may want to RMA to the manufacturer.
if you are actually this jovial in real life I would love to meet you sir, I am one of those folks that are amused by about 99% of what happens to me in life....lol.
I have a 100% guaranteed method of HD erasing that, if you are not concerned about the drive being used other than for e-waste recycling, works 200% of the time....... drill a 1/4 inch hole through the drive guarantees the disks have no recoverable data on them at all.
The videos are great, the conceptualizations are great as well as the editing proving you not only know your stuff wandering around inside a computer but you are a pretty damn good all around technician for things electronic. Peace out man and thanks.
Thanks for the kind words. I appreciate it.
its faster and cheaper kkkkkk
The way this software works sounds like launching a space critical mission.
I booted to my (older) Redkey that I got and it worked okay.
Whenever I recycle a computer with a drive in it, I don't bother wiping it. I take a screwdriver and put a big crack through the drive's controller circuit board, making sure to crack the main chip on the board. It's highly unlikely that anyone is going to go through the trouble of obtaining a replacement controller board with the exact same firmware revision on it in order to read your data. So unless you're important enough for the NSA to be interested in you, this works fine (and it's fun, too!). SSDs are easier, the controller and/or ram chips are usually exposed on the circuit board which make them easy to destroy.
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He did a very good job imo. Explaining the basics step by step. English is not my first language and I have no experience in using DAWs
I used to run Kill Disk (Free Version) It has many levels including DoD and then using R-Studio I was unable to recover or find anything. Kill disk has gone through many iterations since then but I'm hopeful still competent product.
It still is.
I use a Gutmann wipe. Or 00 buck from a 12 gauge. Sometimes a .357 or .44 mag. All work, but the first allows you to reuse the disk
Do you know there's companies that specialize in forensic data recovery that can recover evidence from a hard drive that's been physically damaged? Often times damaged.
@@CyberCPU If I'm shooting them I set them on a powerful electric magnet made for erasing disks first. Plus, the damage done to a hard disk by shooting it would put recovery cost in the millions if it's even possible. Been building and repairing computers for almost 50 years now. I know what's effective
@@royschultz1377 I've been a tech for over 20 years and they processes used in forensic data recovery would blow your mind. They are really a lot more capable than you think.
@@CyberCPU When a disk platter is in confetti sized pieces the cost to recover data from a non politician's home hard drive, if possible, would be prohibitive. You watch too many fictional crime shows
@@royschultz1377 ok. Seems like a lot of work to go through when doing it the right way is so much easier. But have fun with that.
Or simply do it Old-School style. Take Hammer and smash hard drive into several pieces. Not a chance in retrieving data from it. No problem.
You would be surprised what data can be recovered from.
My only question though... How do i know if it will work to wipe my old Sony Viao laptop that i want to get rid of?
I believe the support is much better on older hardware. My system is relatively new and Linux drivers where not available for the GPU.
@@CyberCPU thanks. I'll definitely have to try. Fyi love your videos! Very informative!
The department of defense standard for "wiping" goverment/millitary data is DoD 5200.28-STD.
This video reminds me the times when we had a hdd low level format option right in the bios free and easy.
Thank you or making this helpful walkthrough!
I already have the product, and this made navigating the install much easier! 👍🖖
I had the same problem with the unfreezing phase. Since I'm using RTX3070 and modern hardware, the graphical mode didn't work. After trying with text mode, my PC basically restarted after waking up from sleep and the process failed. I eventually ended up erasing my 2 HDDs with Parted Magic(via Nwipe ). Redkey is great when your hardware is supported.
Sledgehammer= takes 20 seconds and is foolproof and free
Thanks for your sharing
You bet. 😉
I miss you saying something during the intro clip. Also I like the previous intro more
Sorry about that. I've been wanting to switch to a stinger intro for a while now. The longer intro was hurting my retention rate.
I miss the intro tag lines also. I may find a way to integrate them some how. Maybe I will just type them out on the screen like Linus Tech tips does. I haven't decided yet. But I'll figure something out.
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I’m glad I’m not the only to miss the tag lines. To clarify, I don’t dislike this transition. I understand why you made a new intro and I believe one day there will be perfect intro. Thanks for replying.
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@@luhgarlicbread I have been. It's hard to keep up without being right on top of it.
i would like recover my brain i lose memories. is there any miraculous red key for that too ?
Yes, but the one you need is made by Dodge. 🤣😂
I would like to find out how you rate other programs for wiping data....
Back in the day, I used to use a program called "Eraser"....it was capable of doing a 35 pass nuke session on a hard drive. Several of the passes were. DoD Compliant....
By the way HIPPA, it's a medical privacy law in the United States. It's pretty intense, especially if you do not comply with it....felony procedures and jail time can ensue.
Parted Magic would be a better choice
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Glad it helped.
This pertains to a SSD since they are somewhat unique in how data is stored. For those running Windows that have BitLocker, couldn't one just encrypt the entire drive (not just the files)? If BitLocker is not as secure, how much less secure is it compared to using Redkey or similar wiping methods to sanitize the drive? And for those purists that think I'm comparing this to NIST-grade wipe, that's not what I'm after since any sensitive data on the drive has already been password protected. If someone has the funding, resources, and time to get to my data, then go for it.
This product has been in kickstarter phases for a long time. There were a lot of issues, as you learned from your first attempt of data wiping that hopefully has been somewhat worked out on more main stream units. My concern is that if you're wiping alot of different machines/devices you might run into that problem more often than you think. What i like about Redkey is that it allows you to wipe a current boot drive(SSD or HDD) while it's still in the computer. Most Secure Erase features from the manufacter require you to remove the drive half way through the process due to the drive being "Frozen" and the only way to unfreeze it is to remove and replace the drive. That process really sucks. The RedKey obviously gets around this issue by putting the computer to "sleep" and having it "reawake" sometime afterwards.
This is the first time I've experienced unfreezing a disk for a wipe. The way I typically do it is with DD just writing random data to the drive.
@@CyberCPU I own and operate a IT Security firm and I do tons of data wiping of sensitive data for my clients. Redkey was promised(during their Kickstarter launch) to be the ultimate data wiping solution for home and business users alike. I don't disagree. I have been holding off on upgrading to their product to wait and see if it's as good in reality as in theory. Your video was good but I would have liked to see all the advanced functionality it has under the other wiping options. I was hoping they would have given you a discount code for your subscribers so we could help you too and get a good product. 👍
@@klwthe3rd I've been using Parted Magic for years to wipe drives. It uses DD as well as secure erase. However, it doesn't require you to unfreeze the drive.
There might be some technical reason why it's better the way redkey does it but I've done data recoveries before on drives that I wiped just with DD just to see what I could recover and I've never been able to get anything.
Typically when I'm wiping customer drives I set up three systems and have three hard drives connected to each system. With red key I would have to purchase three red keys while with parted Magic I just boot each system off the same USB drive considering you can pull the drive out of the system once it boots.
I tested that with red key and you definitely cannot pull the drive out. It breaks the program.
Use drive encryption like Bitlocker, LUKS, etc. And use long and strong PW for protection. It will give you high guarantee that your data is unrecoverable.
All 3 versions are out of stock. Could do with trying the red key data wipe product for my business (based in the UK)
maxtor low level format utility was named powermax, it still works well but only with PATA drives (IDE HDD's). however more recent alternatives do exist .
as for usb thumbdrives there is rufus ans many other softwares that will take care of this with relative ease of use and some good tutorials of and how to guides. There is Balena etcher , yumi ,isotousb,Universal USB Installer, just to name a few alternatives and you can also use or create a win pe boot environment and integrate and use something like portable apps for even more choice that are free to use. yumi can create multiple boot environments on a single drive like ventoy has the ability to boot from isos copied on the drive created by it . Each tool has it's usefulness for the right situation. Those can create you a USB swiss knife like tool and can come in very handy.
it's a thermaltake with an obsolete psu form factor and the psu fan blows inside the pc. am i guessing right ?
Whatever happened to low level formatting? They had a program that you’d get with your hard drives back in the 90’s.
The problem with simply formatting, even low level formating, is it doesn't erase data on sectors marked as bad. That's probably not a big deal to most people but there could potentially be data on sectors that have been marked bad previously that could be recovered.
@@CyberCPU I remember doing a few low level formats on a couple of hard drives (1995-1998) that took many hours to complete. Sometimes that would fix the bad sectors and sometimes not. I never knew that information could be retrieved from bad sectors.
You can do a DoD format it formats the disk 10x *( can take 16 hours or so depending on drive size’and speed or did in the IDE days )* so it basically trash’s the drive, I had a disc with a bunch of windows tools I found on the net back in the day one a DoD format tool
if you have a lot of disks, this took a few days to do ... if you have a lot of work and especific software to recover your files, anyone who takes this disk will have the same work (or much more if he have a lot of disks not just yours). What this software do is basic writing 1 on all disk, and them, write again a lot of 0. Perhaps two passes of this. A lot of free software do the same, its not magic.
We format all out drives with a 15 lb sledge :)
What if you delete all the files and then shred the empty space on the drive? I did this before selling my laptop to a secondhand shop.
anyone remember spinrite by steve gibson for magnetic media?
Yep he has new 6.1 update out soon it has gotten a major rewrite
Great video, but I'd rather spend $15 on Parted Magic and use the Enhanced Secure Erase utility.
I've heard R-Studio is one if the best file recovery application. If you can get your hands on this application to see if it can pick up any files. Also many other similar application exist. After using such apps I've seen them give different results on the same drive. Although Recuva I know too.
Easeus recovery recovers way best. Recuva is free though and could be useful for “fast” result too.
@@alexanderunknown8605 thanks will add this to my app library
Could make a beginner video for Linux by any chance? Much love from Germany.
So many videos of such already exist
another great video, but this can be achieved with free open source software, after all its linux. I dont think making the bootable usb yourself is a dealbreaker... like you said..
cheers mate
The original red keys didnt need activating the v1 and v2s
I havnt had any issues with it i guess im just doing external drives
I always use that program on Hirens boot to clean the drive
I've seen a couple people mention that. I'll have to check it out.
Which program?
I drill holes into my old HDD's before throwing them away.
They could still be recovered after physical damage. It's amazing what is possible in hard drive recovery.
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I break old hard drives apart - the disks I use for tea coasters and the rest ewaste
After the Hammer and Screwdriver effect the chances of recovering data is significantly reduced
But not impossible. That's the point. After this it's impossible and the drive is reusable.
If you are a home users and wan't to sell or give away the drive just format it and fill it with small text files until it show 0 byte free space. If you don't care for drive to be used again then dissamble it and burn data platters or data (do it in a wall ventilated area and make sure wear a proper mask) chips seperatly dump them seperately.
That would take an amazing amount of time and wouldn't erase the entire drive.
@@CyberCPU that is correct. it takes over 6 hours of non-stop operation for a 1TB HDD. Being a software engineer and having written a software of that purpose alone definetely helps.
You should fill with zeros multiple times with special software lol
@@mehmetmetinbaki it would be far easier just writing to each sector with DD. It takes about an hour, maybe 2, on a 1tb drive.
Data isn't recoverable if you hit it with a hammer.
No way sir. The rare earth magnets inside those old Hard drives are incredibly useful and with the coating still intact, they are all just about weatherproof. Also, once I disassemble that old Hard drive and bent the platters. I'd like to see the FBI get a hold of my old Shareware and Dos game collection then! They also make awesome targets on an open range...so I've been told. I mean seriously, there are so many ways you can make a Hard drive data unreadable, that is 100% free and fun.
You obviously know nothing about how much talent the FBI has when recovering data. I have witnessed first hand in court reports of cases that went to trial where the FBI was able to get data off of broken shards of platters from a HDD. I have even read that they are able to recover data that has been wiped up to 7 or 8 times(at the time of the report). So a 3 wipe system is not good enough. I have always used the maximum 35 wipe Peter Gutmann method to be absolutely sure. Talk to the people serving prison for 25 years plus if they trust breaking platters as a secure erase option.
Theoretically you could recover data that's already been wiped by looking at the platter with an electron microscope and looking between the tracks on the platter. However, it would take an enormous amount of time and I've never heard of it actually being done before. It's simply theoretically possible.
I've also never heard of a criminal case where data was recovered from a destroyed drive. There are forensic data recovery companies that can recover data from fires or other types of destruction that don't physically destroy the drive. However, a broken platter would be incredibly hard to recover from.
If you have a link to a case that used data recovered that way as evidence I would love to see it. Sounds interesting.
@@klwthe3rd First, I don't care who you are. Second, your wisdom is pointless because the amount of effort it takes to restore partial data on a shattered, baked and hole-ridden platter would require you to put me on the FBI's most wanted list. The worst thing the FBI could get me on was the Commander Keen's: Goodbye galaxy I downloaded over a 9600 baud modem about 35 years ago. The effort and resources required to pull any data from the way I dispose of Hard drives would take the money they give to Mark Zuckerberg and ten times the time wasted on the whole January 6th hearings. Yes yes you unbaked potato, I read the story of Adam Lanza, but surely you can expect, the murders of 28 people, to have SLIGHTLY more evidence than a damaged Hard Drive. There is an encyclopedia's level difference between a guy stuck in the 80's gaming from a mass murder on the FBI's list.
Bottom line is, I simply brought a practical and fun ways to dispose of old data on computers and you two came at me like two LARPing jackass at a renaissance fair.
@@CyberCPU Apparently in the case of Adam Lanza from 2012 there were reflective parts they could read. But like I explained to the other know-it-all, the levels of drive an investigator would need to recover data from such a drive is enormous. Apparently, if the plate has enough reflective material part of the data can be recovered. Yet I have no idea how a file string, scattered over a drive, can be pieced together and how much of it is a psychological runaround to make a person confess on their own behalf. Regardless, I'm not worried about data on any of my drives because they end up becoming swiss cheese before they go into the garbage or becoming fantastic coffee coasters. The platters also make fantastic SOS reflectors.
@@CyberCPU As part of my business I make sure to stay current on the latest data recovery technologies because I am held liable if I recommend a method and then proven wrong after the fact. When the FBI takes a potential criminal to court, the defense has the right to examine ALL evidence the government has against them. This process is called discovery. The FBI hates this because it has to divulge all its trade secrets if it wants to proceed with a case. Many cases have been dropped by the govt because they knew if they shared HOW the obtained their data, people like me who review these cases to stay current would know how to circumvent their methology. Ive reviewed enough cases of discovery to know that they can do it and the cost is NOT a factor because they have endless pools of money.
They are sold out.
That stinks. Sorry about that.
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A sledge hammer works better and is free also you feel better when you destroy it!
You have to purchase and activate a product just to throw your computer away?? Gee
Why spend money and time erasing an old hard drive or SSD that is going to be recycling bin!
Every one has a hammer and a screwdriver.
When the disks are crushed no recovery expert can rebuild the data.
for sure wanna see the dumpster fire.... sounds frustratingly hilarious for us.
i wonder how it compares to parted magic
That's what I typically use.
I have a great alternative. I activate my heavy duty drill!
lowlevel format it multiple times and overwrite it with all zero's that you can't recover
That works too.
Parted Magic…call it a day.
heya
i hear the rx6800xt will overheat the chipset
ive got a msi b550 board
any thoughts?
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To be honest with you I don't have much experience with Radeon cards. I don't necessarily have an issue with them but I have to buy all my own hardware and I tend to lean Nvidia.
Recuva isnt the best recovery software its good and free but some other programs has recovered data that recuva couldnt
MSDOS will wipe it all away
All it appears to be doing is installing their software on the thumbdrive. Then it will overwrite the entire drive. I've used free software years ago that does that but I don't remember the name, but it takes forever to complete. It's the only way to wipe it, by overwriting. SSD isn't the same as doing a HD which would take much longer.
Lol the best way is to erase with Gutmann algo which is 35x rewriting with zeros, yes it’s “forever” but it’s the only way to re-use hdd/ssd again but without data leaks
I just use Linux "shred" utility.
Or you can complete destroy your disk and buy anew one for 17$ to give with your machine. Today SSDs are too cheap to spent money for wipers of any kind. On the other hand any serius uninstaller software include hi efficient wiper. So if you are going to spent some money , I think that is beter to invest on software like Minitool Partition or Revo Uninstaller (Pro paid editions) or anything similar to them, wich will payback it cost, as it will be used for more other jobs exept wiping a disk.
For 90$ you can buy a 4TB HDD or 1TB NVMe SSD or 2TB SSD or 4x250GB SSDs or 2x2TB HDDs . How many drives will wipe a home user for these money to make this pourcase worth??? Even more when the most if not all mobo providers offers in bios>tools>secure erase for free and almost all drives providers offer this facility for free.
10lb lump hammer always works for me ;-)
Just ise DBAN
I always use Derik's Boot and Nuke.
D-ban is a great alternative.
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just watching the activation process now, but I have to wonder if this is just a dban, nuke or other linux util.
I'll stick with Dban. All you need is a spare laptop or desktop, put Dban on it, and have a SATA to USB adapter and can securely erase, to DoD standards, as many hard drives as you want FOR FREE. Redkey is a joke, IMO. $90... what a scam!
It's actually $30. However, I agree. Most people can get by with Dban. However, Dban doesn't properly erase SSDs. It's also not been updated in years if I remember correctly.
Or one could use shred command of GNU coreutils on a block device from bootable usb drive, and skip all that activation convoluted nonsence xD
That's true. However, you would still need to find and create a USB drive which would be complicated for some people. So it still requires its own setup process.
@@CyberCPU but red key product requires the same amount of setup with additional cost attached. Sorry, but no, product showcased provides negative amount of convenience. If it was a ready to use usb stick then yeah, it would have been great.
@@sgstudioofficial while it does require setup I wouldn't call it the same. Finding a Linux distro that will work on your system and creating a USB from it is a lot more work then running the red key software which does all the setup for you.
I get what you're saying and the free alternatives are probably fine for the majority of people. However, the setup with red key is really easy.
price is a little high don't yathink
$30 is pretty cheap.
@@CyberCPU i saw89.99
It's $30. That's not that bad.
@@CyberCPU sorry...didn't see all 3 versions
i had another stoke so i may not bother u much longer...lol
In windows 11 just use reset this computer wipes everything reinstalls windows 11 job done
I don't believe that uses a secure erase. I haven't tried but I believe you can still run data recovery software on it to get the data back.
@@CyberCPU this is from Microsoft website. On Windows 11, the “Reset this PC” feature allows you to quickly reset a computer to the factory settings using the local files or downloading a fresh copy of the OS from the cloud, ensuring that your files, settings, and applications get erased beyond recovery.
@@londo776 I'll have to test that and see if it's true.
@@CyberCPU so will i
Windows does have 2 options. Just reinstall and reinstall + wipe data (for reselling) wonder how secure it is.
There are a slew of free products that will do the job and creating a bootable drive is easy enough. I hate that they would sell different versions. Just one would give people more confidence. The lack of use with later GPU's make the company look amateur.
The GPU issue is a Linux issue honestly. I get that. Also, most systems your going to use this on are going to be using older hardware.
In regards to the free alternatives, I link to a video at the end talking about that.
I'm going to stick to Hirens to permanently remove my info from a hard drive.
I'm going to have to take a look at that.
yes make a video of that part that went dumpster fire 😄😄😄😄😄😄
I might. 🤣🤣
Go ahead and upload something that u failed repeatedly, I'd like to laugh
I might. 🤣😂
if youre not gonna use the drive anymore and just ewasting it, Use a drill and drill a few holes in the drive (thru the plate) and boom noone is getting that data back ever.
You’re a tech guy and don’t understand the other erase formats? Oh good Lord.
Yeah, imagine that. A tech guy that isn't ashamed to admit that he doesn't know everything. We do exist. 😉
More alternatives to destroy data, and a HD too...🪓🔥( boiling 🚰)( drop it in🌊🦈)