As a Protestant, who has always had an abiding respect for Catholicism, I find these conversations instructive indeed. Hang in there, all Christians of good conscience, y Vaya con Dios!!
I have always enjoyed the discussions between you and Kale. More importantly, I feel I always learn something listening to your discussions. As a retired History teacher, I recognize good teaching when I see it. Please do more interviews in the future!
Amen to that!!! Perhaps we have a new version of Lennon & McCartney!!! This is becoming one of my favorite Catholic podcasts. God bless, and keep up the awesome work!!!
Excellent use of my time and attention, many thanks. I wonder if the saint for our time is the edginess of a pillar hermit like Simeon. Embody the ultimate in nihilism while remaining a faithful imager of Christ.
Since you are talking Sanctity and holiness I would love to have an entire episode on the famous Catholic Worker Retreat done by John Hugo. I know you have repeatedly had Benjamin T. Peters as a guest and mentioned the retreat and his book. But I would love a deep dive and an entire episode on just the retreats, and the theology/spirituality in the retreat.
You have looked at the Spirituality of Dorothy Day, I would love another episode with the Spiritual life of Peter Maurin. It seems he lived a radical spiritual life even more profoundly than Dorothy.
A positive word about the pope! Love it. Nobody's perfect. But yeah, postmodernism understands the cosmos as icing with no cake beneath. This is the go to ideology we face today. To miss links between those who know there's cake because their icing is different misses an opportunity to find solidarity against the icing is all that exists crowd.
or is it that there is no "cake" in the sense of our image of the cake projected on the basis of our experience of the icing.. clearing up the idol of the humanly projected cake pm then leaves space for the absolute otherness and difference of the cake.. so that would make postmodernism a highly Judeo-Christian projected..
28:47 you're the second person I've heard in the Catholic-sphere (the first one is Militant Thomist/Christian Wagner) that isn't a fan of West's interpretation of Theology of the Body. I think the content-sphere could use an alternative TotB exegete (less puritanical, more Mystical Marriage)
The only reason synod members wanted to talk about celibacy, divorced and remarried, etc was to get the church to change its stance on something big. Then, of course, they wanted to say "You changed on that, therefore you can change on homosexuality". For some reason, homosexuality is the one constant theme of Pope Francis the Goofy.
By the way, there are lots of things wrong with Land Rovers. Once of the worst vehicles on the road. They break down constantly , are hard and expensive to fix. This often happens with cars that are bought as status items. BMW's are notoriously lousy, useless cars too.
Regarding Cdl Fernandez's "Mystical Passion", it's really not that bad. Uninspired, unoriginal, yes, but nothing unorthodox that I saw in the excerpts. I think it's uncontroversial to say that God's erotic Love comes through when reading the mystics. Whether it's St. John of the Cross tusseling Jesus's hair while His head rests on John's chest, or St. Thersa or Avila's "delicious" extacies, or the descriptions of communion in St. Faustina's diary, God clearly has an erotic element of His love for us. Lets not be prudish. Jesus is the bridegroom, and there are rooms prepared for each of us in heaven to consumate that mystical marriage. What did you think was going to happen? Remember that God's nature is not gendered and whatever that union with God looks like or feels like, it's going to far exceed anything we can experience on Earth. And as for sexual sins, Pope Francis is simply saying that they are not as important as other sins of the heart such as pride or avarice. And it's certainly true that in the US, these sexual sins are elevated out of proportion. So all he's saying is that we should treat other sins with equal or greater seriousness and not gatekeep the Church simply based on what's happening below the waist. It's a matter of emphasis.
Awesome as usual!
As a Protestant, who has always had an abiding respect for Catholicism, I find these conversations instructive indeed. Hang in there, all Christians of good conscience, y Vaya con Dios!!
I have always enjoyed the discussions between you and Kale. More importantly, I feel I always learn something listening to your discussions. As a retired History teacher, I recognize good teaching when I see it. Please do more interviews in the future!
this was so refreshing. Thank you!
This is what I needed. Big time. Thank you for your summarsing closing comments. Especially as a revert. Seeing both sides has been really painful.
You guys should do these regularly. Great rapport. Love Kale Zelden
I might suggest as a name for this hypothetical recurring series “Larry ‘n’ Zelden”, mainly because it reminds me of Led Zeppelin
Amen to that!!! Perhaps we have a new version of Lennon & McCartney!!! This is becoming one of my favorite Catholic podcasts. God bless, and keep up the awesome work!!!
A great and helpful discussion combining both high and practical theology. Thank You very much.
Love the sanding metaphor! Suffering so that Beauty may be revealed in us and through us for our sake and the sake of others.
Excellent use of my time and attention, many thanks. I wonder if the saint for our time is the edginess of a pillar hermit like Simeon. Embody the ultimate in nihilism while remaining a faithful imager of Christ.
Since you are talking Sanctity and holiness I would love to have an entire episode on the famous Catholic Worker Retreat done by John Hugo. I know you have repeatedly had Benjamin T. Peters as a guest and mentioned the retreat and his book. But I would love a deep dive and an entire episode on just the retreats, and the theology/spirituality in the retreat.
You have looked at the Spirituality of Dorothy Day, I would love another episode with the Spiritual life of Peter Maurin. It seems he lived a radical spiritual life even more profoundly than Dorothy.
Great breakdown of the difference in TOB & Fernández
Out of curiosity, did Fernández reference one Georges Bataille in any of his writings that you folks have been looking into?
Intrigued by the modern ‘saints on the periphery’ mentioned, had to google Simone Weil and Madeleine Delbrêl
is Larry wholesome enough to have Gio Pennacchietti on?
They're from different yet similar spheres yet I feel like the convo would be a lot of light
The body is round.
A positive word about the pope! Love it. Nobody's perfect. But yeah, postmodernism understands the cosmos as icing with no cake beneath. This is the go to ideology we face today. To miss links between those who know there's cake because their icing is different misses an opportunity to find solidarity against the icing is all that exists crowd.
or is it that there is no "cake" in the sense of our image of the cake projected on the basis of our experience of the icing.. clearing up the idol of the humanly projected cake pm then leaves space for the absolute otherness and difference of the cake.. so that would make postmodernism a highly Judeo-Christian projected..
28:47 you're the second person I've heard in the Catholic-sphere (the first one is Militant Thomist/Christian Wagner) that isn't a fan of West's interpretation of Theology of the Body. I think the content-sphere could use an alternative TotB exegete (less puritanical, more Mystical Marriage)
West's approach has been really helpful for thousands and thousands of people.
You had me until McDonalds. Authentic Mexican cuisine is sooo much better.
The only reason synod members wanted to talk about celibacy, divorced and remarried, etc was to get the church to change its stance on something big. Then, of course, they wanted to say "You changed on that, therefore you can change on homosexuality". For some reason, homosexuality is the one constant theme of Pope Francis the Goofy.
By the way, there are lots of things wrong with Land Rovers. Once of the worst vehicles on the road. They break down constantly , are hard and expensive to fix. This often happens with cars that are bought as status items. BMW's are notoriously lousy, useless cars too.
Regarding Cdl Fernandez's "Mystical Passion", it's really not that bad. Uninspired, unoriginal, yes, but nothing unorthodox that I saw in the excerpts. I think it's uncontroversial to say that God's erotic Love comes through when reading the mystics. Whether it's St. John of the Cross tusseling Jesus's hair while His head rests on John's chest, or St. Thersa or Avila's "delicious" extacies, or the descriptions of communion in St. Faustina's diary, God clearly has an erotic element of His love for us. Lets not be prudish. Jesus is the bridegroom, and there are rooms prepared for each of us in heaven to consumate that mystical marriage. What did you think was going to happen? Remember that God's nature is not gendered and whatever that union with God looks like or feels like, it's going to far exceed anything we can experience on Earth.
And as for sexual sins, Pope Francis is simply saying that they are not as important as other sins of the heart such as pride or avarice. And it's certainly true that in the US, these sexual sins are elevated out of proportion. So all he's saying is that we should treat other sins with equal or greater seriousness and not gatekeep the Church simply based on what's happening below the waist. It's a matter of emphasis.
not to mention....Cadinal F's book's fantasy's about our Lord are BLASPHEMY.
A saint is able to bring the "inside" of the Church (who is Christ Himself) to those on the outside.