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Fabulous discussion! I have been wanting to write “the theology of the rest of the body” for a long time. Good to know I am not alone in my sentiment about that!

I like you Chapp but a half hour in and this ones a bit too boomery for me. I'm out

Excuse me while I go empty some of the unnecessary ram in my brain so that I can download this gold.

In recent years Schmidt has gained quite a following in certain Chinese intellectual circles.

This was great. I love how Jones laughs whenever an occasion for philosophical wonder arises.

Thank you borh -there is much to ponder here . I am an Irish Catholic residing in SW London ,within the Archdiocese of Southwark, since 1988. My three grown up mixed race sons attended an all boys secondary school where half the 1,350 student body was Muslim. I met many Muslim parents across a twelve year period and there was zero evidence that they sought to integrate. In fact many of the students were third or fourth generation and still referred to themselves as either Pakistani or Bangladeshi. The points raised about western culture failing is both troublesome and true. Christendom has left the stage and we are reaping a bitter harvest.

Why is he amazed by a chapel in a public school in Louisiana there are churches in public universities!

Thank you for an interesting conversation and insightful explanations. I think clarity, being one of the attributes of Aquinas on beauty is a very good thing. To be clear is to know. This knowledge can lead to unending contemplation and wonder in the works of God which are beautiful. ❤️🙏

Thank you Larry and Hans for this discussion. It has been very heartening to see counterpoints respected and heard in this forum; especially on such hot button topics. Who would have thought that folks could differ without the one being a right wing firebrand and the other a left wing bleeding heart. We have lost all sense of complexity in typical discourse and this brought back some much needed light where there is often only heat. For what its worth this prompted me, a cradle Cath Revert, to do a quick reflection. In my parish community (York,England) my immediate friends include: English, Irish, Polish, Italian, Spanish, Belarussian, Guatemalan, Chinese, Maltese and more besides. Somehow made coherent by the Grace of the Church. Here comes everybody! God bless you Larry Chapp. Keep up the good work. Your channel has been a great boon for me

Thank you for your response. I tried to reply but it didn’t work, so I will simply edit my original post. First, there is one thing in my initial post that I should have written more carefully. I have been accused of being overly sensitive to what I perceive as unfairness and, as you have gathered, I believe you have treated Gavin A. unfairly. You were very curious (as many of us are/were) with the facts related to Pakistani grooming gangs in the UK after the story broke on X. I believe it was you who reached out to Gavin A. and asked him to come on your show to talk about the issue of grooming gangs, not because he is an expert in immigration but because he is someone you respect and presumably trust, and who also happens to work and live in the UK. He graciously agreed, possibly on short notice and, as far as I can tell, at some risk to himself given the nature of things in the UK. In response to criticism of that episode, within a week, you invited a guest who is a principal of a catholic high school in the UK with no expertise in immigration matters (or in politics or in population trends) and with whom you had only an email relationship because he had complained about prior podcasts that he found problematic. According to your introduction, he says that Gavin A. made empirically “false claims”. In my profession (law), allegations of “false claims” are usually intended to suggest (and, critically, are received by the accused as suggesting) deceitful behavior; allegations of empirically false claims often mean the accuser thinks he can prove it; and, in contrast, allegations of “inaccurate statements” usually suggest mistake. I suspect that in your field of academics, a public claim that a colleague had made false claims would be intended to and received as suggesting more than a mere mistake. If you are ever publicly accused of making a false claim you will better appreciate this point. As far as credentials, the fact that the current guest is aligned with Catholic education at the high school level (think of about how little that qualification, standing alone, would mean in this country, especially on topics outside of catholic high school education) adds nothing to his credibility/competence on the topic of Gavin A’s allegedly false claims. Further, he absolutely agreed with Gavin A’s account of the grooming gangs and the magnitude of the scandal. He even added that every person he knows in the Muslim community “agrees there is a problem” of extremism in that community, and he knows Pakistanis who “agree that it [the grooming gangs] is a total scandal.” I am not sure what Gavin A. said that was a false claim, but these issues will naturally raise questions on an assortment of topics, including immigration policy and practice. Gavin obviously discussed that. Is that unfair, inappropriate or false? Consider the fact that Gavin A. asserted that 95% of the grooming gang rapes are associated with Pakistani grooming gangs, a point I did not hear your current guest dispute and presumably agreed with by admitting “there is a disproportionate problem with certain sections of the Pakistani community”. However, he says that sexual predation in the UK goes well beyond the Pakistani community. Ok, fine. But Gavin was invited onto your show to talk about the explosive news in US about the problem with Pakistani grooming gangs. And, apparently, Gavin A. got that part exactly right. This guest’s voice was not one that needed to be heard on the issue of immigration, and certainly not as someone to impeach your friend. Your conclusion otherwise is not supported by your self-professed lack of knowledge (which you repeat on several occasions) on the various issues happening in the UK, including with immigration. I also suspect you would be much more careful vetting a guest who proposed to come on your show to allege that one of your heroes or friends in the theological community had made false claims. In the highly sensitive area of attacking the credibility of a friend, especially someone like Gavin A., you should have found a true expert and not a high school principal with no expertise in anything relevant to this discussion. Finally, public allegations of “false claims” create a deep stain and can be deeply hurtful to the accused and experienced as a betrayal. That of course is not what you intended-and you said as much in your podcast. But, in my opinion, that’s how a friend accused of making false claims would naturally feel. Again, I apologize and admit that my unedited post could have and should have been better. Regards,

"I share his total indignation"...and then he goes on to talk about why it isnt a big deal now. Honestly, i feel like i need a bath after listening to him.

Wow! “When these rioters were burning Mosques here in Liverpool”?! Were Mosques burned in Liverpool after those little girls were slaughtered- Is this true?

Larry, I love you. But please stay out of the politics space. You talk about how much you hate it and peoples fixation on it. Focus on Christ, Catholic Faith and growing in Holiness. God bless you 🙏

Larry Chap is evidently unfamiliar with the Order of Charity. He needs to read Langella's "Catholic & Indentitarian"

According to Broekman, white working class boys are demoralized and perform poorly in school. Therefore, let’s replace them with high-performing immigrant children ... With teachers like Broekman, I'd be a drop out as well. What we need are teachers who will instill pride in European history and identity in the young. The Church used to be central to that identity. But the Church, and thought-leaders like Chapp & Brokeman, have betrayed their own people for the Church's supposed universal mission and love of the other.

I really liked this conversation. Even though I was too dumb for about half of it 😅

Thanks for this interview. I was extremely worried about some of the stuff mentioned in the prior interview, and I'm glad you platformed an opposing voice.

Estimates of Muslims as a proportion of the U.K. population vary from 2.7% to 5-6%, with some studies projecting an increase to 44% by 2056. Meanwhile, Polish migration remains higher than Nigerian migration. Around 12% of National Health Service staff of known nationality were born outside the U.K. Because of how our electoral system works, even a small proportion of the population can have a big impact on election outcomes-one reason why electoral reform is worth considering. When it comes to child protection, statistics show different patterns. Reports from 1997-2017 found that 83% of defendants in certain cases had Muslim names, mostly of Pakistani origin. But overall, most perpetrators of such abuse in general are white men. This highlights two issues: we struggle to integrate some communities, and society as a whole isn’t forming boys and men well in terms of healthy relationships. Educational challenges are more specific than just about white working-class boys-those eligible for free school meals (those living in poverty) tend to have the lowest attainment. In some areas, like Birkenhead, fatherlessness is likely very high. Nationally, nearly 50% of boys don’t live with their biological father. Role models matter. Research on single-parent families shows they affect boys disproportionately, while mental health trends among boys in England are mixed. But we do know that early exposure to harmful content online can increase risks of coercion and unhealthy attitudes. Despite progress in education, young Muslims in the U.K. still face disproportionately high unemployment. None of these realities justify the rhetoric of Gavin Ashenden and others who seem to be drifting towards nationalism under cover of faith. I’ve challenged them before-responses have been limited or dismissive. It's a good point that this kind of rhetoric turns young people away from the Gospel. The decline in faith is real, but young people are drawn to Jesus. As a school chaplain, I ran a retreat for 15-16-year-olds based on the movie Risen (2016). It’s not a perfect film, but by the end, one lad from a secular background said, *"I wish I were Jesus’s mate!"* The presence of Muslims and Hindus in the West is also an opportunity for dialogue. Figures like Charles de Foucauld and the Algerian martyrs show us how this can look. So let’s not be afraid. And yes-let’s make Catholicism weird again. Young people are drawn to the person and drama of Christ, as thinkers like Luigi Giussani and Hans Urs von Balthasar understood so well.

I recommend Tommy Robinson’s talk at the Oxford Union. If you can find it. And while we’re pointing out lies, Robinson tweeted calling for people NOT to be violent. Mr. Broekman, I’m afraid, was not as careful with the facts as he pretended to be. Much love and respect to you both. Great conversation for the most part!

What a brilliant young lady. Really stimulating subject. Eckhart, Shakespeare, Heidegger, Beckett, Fosse, and now this Ulrich fella, complete my lineup of the Nothing doings.........................

I was hoping to here more about who are the Catholic workers i.e " a member of the Catholic worker movement, a group of people who strive to live in accordance with the teachings of Jesus " and less about the ills of capitalism and how to fix it. A Catholic worker does more doing than taking about it. Right?

Greetings from Easton Pennsylvania... bought an old 1946 printing of Mary ology... was an old library book with library card in back... never signed out... started reading the book and never heard of the author and did some research on him. Interesting.. I ordered a few of his books... informative podcast .. Thank You

I would like to know the 5 historical steps from the filioque to the Holocaust.

Great conversation thank you both.

Just finished his book Two cities and loved it!

Henry Miller asked: "What makes money, Money?" I ask what makes power, Power?

When he says that Anglicans are good at Liturgy, hymns and pastoral care does he realise that we invented them and we are worldwide the largest. As for the legitimacy of his ordination, he is a protestant, so no, he is not valid or elicit. He is not ordained.

Fun Fact: If you edit out all of Chris’s long pregnant pauses and “uuummmmms”, this episode is only twenty minutes long 😅

really looking forward to this book.

If every reporter was as careful as Christopher, though no longer a reporter, we would not have the massive distrust we have of news organizations of any stripe. Excellent discussion.

Good interview

Hi Dr. Chapp , just wanted to commend you for absolutely killing it on Pints with Aquinas! Hopefully, you will gain an even greater following now from that appearance

He s seems too discreet for juice. Percentage of beauracrats not living catholic lifestyle?

James Snapp has convincingly argued that the Adulteress was in the earliest manuscripts of John. We do not have these (though, contrary to popular belief, the majority of early manuscripts do have 7:53-8:11). What we do know is that a Scribe (who have strict instructions to "do what they are told") misinterpreted the archaic symbols which indicated the lectern readings. For Passover Sunday, the Adulteress story was (deliberately) to be skipped over. The scribe misinterpreted this instruction and did not copy the text fullstop leading to multiple future copies being void of the passage. This was fourth century. However, preserved arcane editorial references make it clear that the passage was indeed part of the original manuscript. Bruce Metzger is the primate scholar promoting the view that the passage did not belong and his most famous student (who lionised him) is Bart Ehrman - say no more! Snapp's scholarship lays out the errors and motivations. I was going other attach a 1hr 30min UA-cam explanation but cannot find it. In any case, Dr James Snapp is your man to clarify all this. It is a very intriguing story.

Francis autobio cover resembles Obama 2008 campaign poster. Hope is a theological virtue. The title might instead have honored a cardinal virtue: Patience.

Dr. Chapp - i dont know if you take requests but some content on Josef Kleutgen and Vatican I from your perspective/a historical context would be fascinating Not really much out there in podcast form

Another great episode! Thank you, Dr. Chapp. Your discussion about great magazines prompted me to give a shout out to Swords & Spade. Great articles!!!

So glad you are having him back for another round. This is so important. I am buying the book. This man should be a regular guest! Thanks, Larry.

Fascinating discussion

Fantastic! Thank you very much, Dr. Pitre and Larry.

Gavin certainly has some views on what Racism that are nonstandard by our modern views, but I think they are probably historically true. I was astonished that you took the original down because it was so controversial, versus some of the other interviews that you have had.

The modern mythos we live in that has collapsed all symbolism into merely nothing but a metaphor or a logical parallel to reality seems to me to be the reason many Christians deny the real presence. We live in a world where most people think the symbolic is divorced from reality, and even I at times have succumbed to this way of thinking. I don’t think that this means that the symbolic always has the same bearing on reality as it does in the Eucharist, but modernity and materialism surely do seem to underestimate symbolism.

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Fantastic conversation and very much needed

Another reason why we don’t give condideration to dreams is that it seems ‘New Age’ and Catholics are leery of New Age thinking.

Looking forward to reading your book!! Love the great outdoors !! Thank you both kindly. 🙏❤️

I missed this one, happy it’s back up.👍

Excellent interview gentlemen, I think it’s so important for Catholics to cease giving weight to the accusations thrown by the left, they are simply Orwellian tactics.

Fearful symmetry between the "body positive" assessment of incidents observed at a pride parade, and the body negativity, or absence of bodies, in minimalist church architecture (icons, statues, ultimately parishioners). Surely these separate portions of the conversation are somehow linked.

Love the passionate dialogue