Use These Guns Against PHANTOMS with 120HP in XDefiant!
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
- The Phantom Faction in XDefiant has bonus health by default compared to other players so it can often be a bit more challenging to kill them. Today, I wanted to share a handful of guns and setups that can essentially nullify this bonus health so you'll have no problem dealing with these Phantom players! What's your favorite gun to use against Phantoms?
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0:00 Intro
0:53 Best Base Guns vs Phantoms (No Modifiers Needed)
3:09 Best Guns w Heavy Barrel vs Phantoms
5:37 Cleaners Burn Damage vs Phantoms
7:32 Final Thoughts & Recap
8:13 Wrap Up - Ігри
Seeing as they’re a “shield class” I’d like to see that 20hp function as a breakable body armour that is not inclusive to standard health regen, if you take chip damage or win your first gunfight per life with it it won’t regen along with base 100 and you have to play the rest of your life on 100 health or they can add a cool down to “switching plates” similar to dedsec fabrication although the latter may result in rat gameplay I’m unsure.
Thanks a lot for the work you put into these videos man. I just got into this game and this type of information is really useful
Don’t really notice that I’m having trouble against phantoms vs other factions or that I perform significantly better when I choose phantom. Wall hacks are OP, can’t beat that
Facts, been saying every faction has counter play except echelon. They so good the only counter to them…is themselves.
Fire dude is OP
Wallhacks Echelon need to go from the game. As soon as I see that stupid “Revealed by intel suit” or sonar goggles, I know I may as well prep for a death since there’s no counter.
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They should really buff the M4 and MDR’s default max damage by 1 point so they only take 7 shots to kill phantoms up close. They are I think the only 2 primary guns that take two extra shots in the max damage range to kill against phantoms when they already shoot a LOT slower than similarly damaging SMGs.
The MDR is the worst gun in the game right now.
Nah, get better
@@HcKingPin Weak bait.
@4R4EL says the crybaby who cant win a gunfight
@@4R4EL did you know that MDR is the abbreviation of “Mediocre”
I would love if you made a video about the rapid fire barrel, and when it makes sense to use it.
Always. It always lowers your ttk. By how much is a good question though. And if you can deal with the added recoil
I am having so much fun in xDefiant! Glad you're part of the community with us Ace!
I played one match and uninstalled because half the enemy team was mouse users getting point and click kills with the sniper
@@Brainhornthey have input based match making you can turn on bud. Btw controller is much worse cause they get aim assist
@@sambegley9966no a good mouse and keyboard player has wayyyy more of an advantage than a controller player does, the only people that cry about controller aim assist are the bad mouse and keyboard players lmfao.
@@jamiehalfkin5813lol true, good mouse players pair with sniper are the unstoppable players so I use input base matchmaking to never face those type of players
@@jamiehalfkin5813 cope
I always appreciate your work, Ace, and I look forward to the next video. Thank you very much! And here's to hoping the next video is muzzle booster/rapid-fire barrel, fingers crossed. I've been rocking all my Smgs and ARs with rapid fire and muzzle booster together. It feels really good for me on mouse and keyboard.
You are my king. Thank you for the break down screen shot at the end the viewers really appreciate it
In games like Overwatch having characters with different sized health pools is fine. But in a more fast paced game like XDefiant it just adds inconsistency, especially since everyone else has the same health
Yeah, plus in those games the tankier characters have larger hit boxes or slower movement speed to compensate too. I think just giving them explosion resistance instead of extra health would be better since it'd be more balanced and keep their role as anchors on objectives in tack.
But every class has different things that can benefit them. Echelon doesn’t come up on mini map so flank instead, use the extra burn damage from cleaners or take a sniper. This isn’t supposed to be another cod clone, it has its own identity as a class based shooter. If you’re expecting every gunfight to be the same then you’re playing the wrong game.
@andreivaldez2929 Don't forget about overall character appearances and artstyle, that allows to identify even from a far distance which class is this character. I dunno how good Ex-Defecto is in this department right now, but I'm sure Ubisoft will destroy this important aspect of an game by lots of silly cosmetics.
@@leopoppa7753 you sound stupid because everyone except you agrees it's stupid and makes things inconsistent, stay salty your the odd man out though bahahahah🤣👍💯
@@leopoppa7753but they need to have a counter for that intel suit. If you face a whole team of echelons you’re lit up the whole match
The 20 extra health is nice but makes gun fights kinda inconsistent since that extra health is almost always an extra shot to kill. I think they should switch out the Phantoms' passive to increased explosive, fire and flash resistance. I think it would suit the faction's playstyle far more and also keep gunfights consistent.
I do feel the same. I feel this passive will always be either annoying or useless if they keep it as is and just tweak the numbers. Libertards used to have +20 max hp on the burst heal and they got rid off it, what made them think a passive ability that is just ongoing is gonna be any different lol
agree, maybe also nullify the emp effects a little bit since those are pretty popular
I mean, it's always a factor when fighting phantoms. I don't think it's "inconsistent" because it's always just that faction.
@@lnsanePreist By the end of Year 1, there will be 8 or 9 factions in the game. Thats means about a 12% of encountering a Phantom.
Its not consistent if my M4 kills 88% of people in 6 shots but 1 out of 8 people can tank 8 shots. All Phantoms having that boost just creates a case of ‘consistent inconsistence’ when it comes to bullet damage. Its why COD got rid of Stopping Power and Juggernaut.
@@lnsanePreistit’s inconsistent in the way that you usually don’t win against a Phantom by normal means, even if you sneak up on them. It’s the same reason why stopping power was removed and damage increase usually isn’t added in COD’s no more. It’s also why Cleaners are so well balanced, they do 8 damage after you stop shooting and not with each shot.
The only time I’ve been able to kill them consistently is with an explosive or coming from behind and they don’t turn around. I get either 180’d and die or die for not being able to get one more shot off. I think that’s WAY too powerful, it should be like as the comment said or have some sort of armor/counter/slight nerf to be 115 as each other passive just doesn’t compare in a 1v1 situation.
I'm happy to finally have a reason to watch your content again ace!
Good stuff dude thank you for putting this together
Once again: outstanding content that the community didn’t know it needed but received from Ace. Thank you!
Ace, you’re doing the lords work with all the time and effort you put in to your high quality informational videos. Thank you!
Left a like! Thanks Ace!
Ty for the video!
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I hate when you fight with a phantom and you die with it at ~20 hp left.
Saw someone else suggest this but it's true: they should get explosive resistance instead of extra health.
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A: I think they might be planning that for a new faction
B: If the phantoms are so overpowered, we'll find out eventually and they'll get nerfed. Me, for now, I don't mind it, frankly it seems fairly well balanced. But I also don't see any reason for it other than the fact it indirectly buffs some guns like the m16 for their performance against phantoms, but that's not really a good reason if you ask me.
@@andreivaldez2929 They just need a drawback to the extra health, honestly slower move speed would be fine.
@@Fantastic_Mr_Fox They're definitely overpowered. It's basically the only class I play and I only play it for the extra 20 health. 80h played vs 5h for my next class. I basically run MK 20 and Tac-50 exclusively because they feel good no matter the opponent. If there are dedsecs with hacks on the other team, I just don't use the walls because that's just a bonus on the class anyway.
Get better
Bruh I've lost count of how many screenshots I've taken of your vids lol. I leave a like each time.
I know this doesn't relate to the video, But hey Ace.... been watching your videos all the way back since MW2019 and can't believe you're so close to 1 million! You deserve it man and can't wait until you hit it! Best of luck !
Thanks this really helped !
IMO they should rework the extra hp into a one-time-per-life armor that doesn’t regenerate once it absorbs 20 dmg
the vector is pretty good with cleaner and either the heavy or rapid fire barrel but I also recommend using ex mag for the extra shots so you can take on multiple people at once
I appreciate the screenshot. I liked for you❤
Awesome, more xDefiant exposure
Thank you 🙏🏻
I'm glad there's a lot of options to deal with 120hp players. Thanks for the graphic!
M16 is my favorite gun. My friend who hates burst guns reluctantly tried it when he saw me dropping a 3 to 4 kd in pretty much every game we played and he loves it too.
The best stats UA-camr ever 🙌🏻
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Idk why people have a problem with them, it's fun having variety and they aren't clear cut better, healer, echelon are better and then deadsec and cleaners are still super strong with what they offer + emps are strong af in this game which is so sexy imo lol
I'm surprised no one is talking about the muzzle booster and rapid-fire attachments. I've tested them lots in the firing range, and as far as I can tell when you combine them, your dps is better than when using the heavy barrel.
I love for the Phantoms shield be more like a Gibby bubble from Apex Legends, where you drop the shield but you can shoot through it. I feel it would be used more strategically than right now. The extra health should be more like 20 pts of armor that cannot be regenerated and only replenishes upon death.
I was just in a match against 6 phantoms all using mag barrier
they all hard crutch on the mag barrier and extra 20 hp
The perfect time to run hack on deadsec with emp grenades
@@dangerzone3470 Yup You just get free walls and emp theirs.
@@dangerzone3470 it's not enough, there's always another wall...
Thabk you!
I personally think that damage numbers and health are two things that shouldn't be touched by any of the faction aspects with exception of ultras of course. The more stuff like this we have the more it feels like a hero shooter instead of arena shooter. (Cleaner's passive works because it is very subtle, situational and has a trade off)
It kind of is a hero shooter though. Idk, I'm just gonna wait for that No Abilities mode they teased.
I’m so excited for the Hero Shooter trend to go away. Even Halo Infinite early on was going to be a Hero Shooter for some stupid reason.
@@andreivaldez2929 I'm not saying it isn't, it is a hybrid of these two, but Mark claimed it was always arena shooter first, hero shooter second, so with that in mind I think my comment stands.
M16 is my main rn. Having a blast with it. Hope they add the famas in the near future
You’re the man Ace
Thanks for this video as a phantom main with over 24 hour just on phantom. I will greet fire with fire.
Can you make a video about the rapid fire barrell? Is it worth it or? Thats one of my biggest questions i have in this game haha😁
Same. It feels useless with snipers even when doubling it with the muzzle booster
@@TerraFirma47 It feels useless on Snipers because a 5% boost to a 38 RPM fire rate doesn’t even increase it to 40, just 39.8. The M44 barely gets more than that. You can only shoot a couple of frames better at best.
You’d be better off using the Lightweight Barrel for the big mobility boost with no downside because Snipers have no damage falloff at least in the menu stats.
@@cobaltcardsgaming5982 yeah that’s what barrel I use on it. Only tried the rapid fire one for like 5 lives in a match before I realized how useless it was
If I remember correctly from Xclusive Ace's BO3 video on Rapid Fire (it's old af), in that game it was a 6% boost but it still helped the slower RPM guns more than the faster ones because of the way the TTK formula works.
You're not wrong in saying that it doesn't boost the nominal RPM on snipers the least but it should be statistically helping the most if you need a second shot, although with 1-shot weapons the best thing is to find ways to make them 1-shot more reliably.
@@andreivaldez2929Yes, that trend does exist, but the Rapid Fire barrel in this game by itself is slightly weaker than the BO3 rapid fire so the trend is weaker unless you stack it with the RoF muzzle (which is a good muzzle attachment for snipers unless you want a suppressor). We also don’t know if the time between firing shots is coded like COD (and admittedly that would probably be something he might cover in a video about Rapid Fire).
It can help you if you need a follow up shot, but the Lightweight Barrel I find helps you get the first shot lined up a lot faster which is very important in such a fast paced game. I rock Lightweight Barrel and then the Muzzle Booster a lot of the time for good handling and a slightly better fire rate.
I think the absoluetly atrocious Ultra ability for Phantoms keeps it in check. I bounce between Phantoms and Echelon. The Echelon Intel Suit activated ability is really good paired with the Ultra, but sometimes I really miss that extra HP, and I notice my performance drastically improves or is at least more consistent with Phantom. My least favourite faction to play against is still the Cleaners tho. Fire gets on my nerves lol. Appreciate the vid!
I never see more than one Phantom in my games since I don't usually play escort. I saw a few spider bots until people realized that you can destroy them by shooting your feet. Everyone always plays Echelon and Libertad
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Its fair to mention the decreased fire rate of heavy barrel as downside
Does the heavy barrel bring down the 5 shot kill of other fractions to 4 or is this only for phantom ??
Hey Ace, could you make a separate playlist for (preferably) all videos discussing tips and tricks for XDefiant? Currently you have a playlist for the weapon stats, but I would like a place where I can find all helpful videos instead of just the weapon stats. Thanks :)
Perfect not all I need to do is analysis video and then use counters to the counters in the video that allegedly make me easier to kill
I think Phantoms should start with 120HP, but after taking damage their health should only regenerate up to 100HP, unless healed by a Libertad. That way they still have their tanky benefit initially, but also encourage teamwork.
Huh? 😂
I think that is a clever solution
That's actually a great idea and extremely fair solution IMO!!!!!👍💯
An interesting idea but after healing from one gunfight, you straight up don't have a passive while everyone still does and you also have to bank on a teammate playing as libertad if you're playing pubs. As they continue adding more factions over time, the odds that someone is running libertad will decrease over time.
This 🙌.
Ace, I'd love to hear your thoughts on weapon balance and what you'd change.
I'd like to see a slight MP5 range buff
Have the RPK's ads and sprintout match the M249
And obviously a massive shotgun spread buff.
Maybe MP7 nerf too lol.
You mentioned amount of bullets but not ttk. Does the fire rate deduction change the ttk or did you not mention it because it was irrelevant?
Hopefully the next faction has a flak jacket type passive cuz these damn Grenades in escort are crazy
They’re confirmed to have a trophy system. If you’re talking about the ones after the next season, yeah I’d like to see something worth it.
I use phantom because I get extra health and a super nice shield that me and my whole team can use to get the objective
I used to love playing this game, but now all the fun has been sucked out of it. I don’t remember the last time I won a match. All of my performance stats went down significantly. Did something in the game change? Did everyone expect me get good all of a sudden? Any advice?
Heavy barrel on the MP7 isn’t the same number of shots to kill vs Phantoms. It does 20 damage in the first range so it becomes a 5 shot vs 100 health enemies.
I mean same number of shots as it would take to kill regular players without having to use an attachment. I covered the heavy barrel in great detail in a previous video, including how great it is on the mp7
I would prefer it if they had 100 hp and maybe give them reduced explosive and fire damage like flak jacket does in cod games, it would suit their theme of defence and provide players some counterplay against grenades and cleaners
Brother, why would you get hate that heavy for this?? We love you man.
How much faster does ttk get if u use cleaners heavy barrel plus the attachment that increases fire rate
Watch his Cleaners fire damage video: you're not getting a faster TTK by hitting them constantly with fast RPM shots; it works better with the slower shooting guns.
The only thing Cleaners make a difference is with the M44.
Normally it does 112 damage max (torso) so it can’t kill phantoms with a torso shot, but adding the Cleaner’s 8 fire damage over time, it ensures the kill
I think the trade off should be that you have slower movement speed if you are a phantom
Rapid fire ttks next? 😊
How can you use holo in this game Ace :o
JAK thumper kit tomorrow? :D
Really wish Phantoms had a cooler passive than bonus health feels a little weird they're the only ones with a stat buff. Yeah cleaners technically are just bonus damage, but at least it's a d.o.t. that's not even popular.
emp grenade stops everything for phantoms other factions can reposition abilities and have no counters just insta kills if two people on a squad run emp (which they can switch to at any time) as a phantom you basically only have your health passive and people think that’s the issue the class would be unplayable with out it
Biggest issue here is oh sure u can use these guns as theyre good against phantoms but they can use the regular guns against you the m16 is a slow killing gun for ars and they can use an acr and melt u this passive is horrendous for game balance
How much damage does the cleaners faction add per shot?
It’s more complicated than just damage per shot. Here’s the full breakdown: Top 10 Best Guns to Use with Cleaners! | (How Burn Damage Works in XDefiant)
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i never even really notice the extra 1 shot to kill its only 1 or max 2 more shots and if your good at aiming it dosent matter to much
hey Ace, the Valorant beta just dropped for console a week ago, and I have a spare code. I wanted to ask if you can test how strong the Aim Assist is on Valorant beta and make a video on it maybe. It could serve as content, but I'm also very curious. It feels like the strongest aim assist on any FPS shooter on console to date.
Please do a video on how to counter the dead sec spiders. 🙏 Or the dead sec faction in general lol it’s annoying how they shut everything down all the time. Anyone else agree?
No matter the faction I always lose a gun fight by one bullet every time & it’s really frustrating 💀
Low key I don't mind Phantoms at all. IMO DeadSec wrecks them if you love the hack tool (since most use Mag Wall so it's YOUR war now) Also run EMP. I love them a soft counter to them.
Love that "oh shi--" movement when they realize their shield is my shield😂
I mainly play Phantom and play the objective BUT if enemy team has two or more spiders, I will immediately switch to DedSec and start to hack them. Objective play goes down the drain but I hate that pure crutch ability with a passion; no other ability actually incapacitates you completely and makes you unable to fight back.
I love how when I pull out M16 against phantoms they laugh at my kills like I'm using a crutch or something
Aren't Phantoms a reference to Ghost Recon Phantoms?
M9 taking 10 shots is wild
Personally, I use the AK 47 with the Muzzle Booster and Rapid fire barrel.
I understand that each class has a latent perk, Phantoms could have easily just had no headshot multiplier instead of 20 extra health
Did you also miss that in the max damage zone the mp7 and the vector are 5 shots for normal enemies. This is insanely good in all situations.
Full heavy barrel breakdown here: These 10 Guns are Best for Heavy Barrels in XDefiant!
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@@TheXclusiveAce Great I see it mentioned! Good stuff as always Ace!
The best
The m16 with heavy barrel is a 1 burst headshot kill to phantoms and has no downsides
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Hit reg is still trash. Yesterday's "maintenance" did nothing noticeable. Makes phantom health even more annoying lol.
I love you ace
This most recent update is so unsatisfying. I hope they make some changes.
They need to limit 2 same factions per game and one for ranked
I put heavy barrel & chrome lining on most guns they shred
The Juggernaut Factio n!
Idk what they were cooking with this passive. Its the ultimate crutch perk
+ 1 Engagement
When I play, all my enemies have the same ttk 😎
The last update made the shooting feel more responsive or is it just me?
Ace is the BEST content creator for Xdefient and CoD, and it's not even close.
You SHOW us the information rather than just tell it.
So we don't just have to take your word, the data is right fucking there.
Ace is the GOAT.
I think this just doesn't make sense in a game in CoD/XDefiant. You could do so many other things, a tac mask like passive, -50% explosive damage, whatever. But flat 20 hp more... Idk
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Bro I promise they reversed in whole or in part the sniper nerf. Do you know anything about this. Theyre hitting all their shots again even after getting one shot
M16 vs the world
Phantoms are honestly the best just because of the extra 20 hp. You will win ALOT of gun fights
Everyone should have same base health
Any chance we could get a video on how to deal with the dedsec spiderbot?
In order of effectiveness:
1. Hack it using Dedsec ability
2. Throw an EMP grenade at your feet
3. Shoot it before it gets to you
4. If it hits you shoot the ground
5. If its glitched and cant shoot the ground then spray forward and hope to kill the opponent with hipfire.
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Echelon's sonar has to go. Most games are majority echelon because having multiple of them is OP. Either remove it or let another faction counter it somehow.