Tahhtib in ceremonies like Sham el nesseem and others can be considered "play fighting" or a dance but back in the day and still today in certain regions in Egypt today it isn't. El Shooma(the stick) is sorta like a revolver in wild west in its usage, imagine a guy dishonors you in 17th century Cairo and you challenge him for a duel to regain your honor or respect... your role is to acctually hit your opponent with the stick (and IT HURTS.... ALOT) The goal is to fight until your opponent is weak and can no longer fight (due to injuries or otherwise). If you are intersted in seeing what that is like you can see examples of this in Egyptian Tv shows set in Upper Egypt and in pre colonial Lower Egypt too
A) at least half of your backers whack each other with sticks for fun B) I must have mentioned in the past the way my old fencing master could tell I was a musician within two minutes of practice with him?
Tahtib being purely ceremonial is a fairly recent development, btw, up to the first half of the 20th century it was the chosen fighting style of Egyptian street gangsters ("Fetewa").
@@ArmchairEgyptology Exactly, though their sticks (called "Naboot") were much girthier and heavier than the ones they've standardized for the sport, you could break someone's leg or crack their skull with a single blow, still, even the serious fights were more about show of skill/dominance than actually killing or seriously injuring your opponent (so it still qualifies as "art").
the combination of (at least semi-) repetitive movements with a back-and-forth of action and reaction set to music in a communal setting sounds like some prime real estate for a meditative practice. did you, while researching this video, happen upon claims of it being used as such? also big shout out to zoe bee, through whom i became aware of your channel in, i think, early october
I don't know how meditative it would be when practising with opponents, but I do see what you mean. I did show up to one of Zoe's livestreams as she was reading something Lovecraftian involving Houdini and a pyramid I think!
Maybe We feel fascinated by those reliefs because as less outsider society the more we became the more we miss those days when people used go outside for many different reasons to play or make an adventure. including our nostalgia as children for playing outside. today people becoming more and more indulged into their electronics and less comfortable with people and gatherings. the ancient were fully living in the wilderness, attaching themselves to it, watching, contemplating it. we lost a lot of that.
Arnold S. (Bodybuilder) Once stated that in order to conquer and get the fight in your favor one must be like an oak tree. I’m pretty sure the Israeli defense force secretly borrowed some ancient Egyptian fighting elements to their fighting style.
@@ArmchairEgyptology like ya said in the video tahtip is mainly based upon mentally and physically conditioning someone to fight better by sharpening their instincts through constant repeat of certain movements in certain moments. This all makes sense actually and is actually efficient. The only draw back is the time it takes for one to sharpen their skills.
Tahhtib in ceremonies like Sham el nesseem and others can be considered "play fighting" or a dance but back in the day and still today in certain regions in Egypt today it isn't.
El Shooma(the stick) is sorta like a revolver in wild west in its usage, imagine a guy dishonors you in 17th century Cairo and you challenge him for a duel to regain your honor or respect... your role is to acctually hit your opponent with the stick (and IT HURTS.... ALOT) The goal is to fight until your opponent is weak and can no longer fight (due to injuries or otherwise). If you are intersted in seeing what that is like you can see examples of this in Egyptian Tv shows set in Upper Egypt and in pre colonial Lower Egypt too
"FIGHT LIKE AN EGYPTIAN!!!” sounds like a name song. LOL🤣
GLAD to see you up posting new UA-cams. CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR ANNIVERSARY 🥂
I came here cuz I was hoping to c that hand to hand fighting style used in the Mummy Returns....cuz that looked pretty dope....
Fascinating! Thank you!
A) at least half of your backers whack each other with sticks for fun
B) I must have mentioned in the past the way my old fencing master could tell I was a musician within two minutes of practice with him?
Tahtib being purely ceremonial is a fairly recent development, btw, up to the first half of the 20th century it was the chosen fighting style of Egyptian street gangsters ("Fetewa").
Hard to outlaw a stick!
what is fetewa in arabic is written like?
@@ArmchairEgyptology Exactly, though their sticks (called "Naboot") were much girthier and heavier than the ones they've standardized for the sport, you could break someone's leg or crack their skull with a single blow, still, even the serious fights were more about show of skill/dominance than actually killing or seriously injuring your opponent (so it still qualifies as "art").
the combination of (at least semi-) repetitive movements with a back-and-forth of action and reaction set to music in a communal setting sounds like some prime real estate for a meditative practice. did you, while researching this video, happen upon claims of it being used as such?
also big shout out to zoe bee, through whom i became aware of your channel in, i think, early october
I don't know how meditative it would be when practising with opponents, but I do see what you mean.
I did show up to one of Zoe's livestreams as she was reading something Lovecraftian involving Houdini and a pyramid I think!
Maybe We feel fascinated by those reliefs because as less outsider society the more we became the more we miss those days when people used go outside for many different reasons to play or make an adventure. including our nostalgia as children for playing outside. today people becoming more and more indulged into their electronics and less comfortable with people and gatherings. the ancient were fully living in the wilderness, attaching themselves to it, watching, contemplating it. we lost a lot of that.
As a very much outdoor kid who (even before covid) is a very indoor adult, I definitely know what you mean.
@@ArmchairEgyptology Indeed! once you visit Egypt it will be a workout for sure haha we also gotten lazy.
Arnold S. (Bodybuilder) Once stated that in order to conquer and get the fight in your favor one must be like an oak tree. I’m pretty sure the Israeli defense force secretly borrowed some ancient Egyptian fighting elements to their fighting style.
I guess both Tahtib and Krav Maga are based on being as practical as possible in a fight!
@@ArmchairEgyptology like ya said in the video tahtip is mainly based upon mentally and physically conditioning someone to fight better by sharpening their instincts through constant repeat of certain movements in certain moments. This all makes sense actually and is actually efficient. The only draw back is the time it takes for one to sharpen their skills.
The Sa'idi people do this stick game in Upper Egypt!
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