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New Netherland -- the best kept secret in American history | Charles Gehring | TEDxHudson
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
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The Dutch are pretty comfortable in the shadows...
The Dutch are that silent person in the back of the bar, sipping its beer... Owning the bar.
Chartoise lol
@Chartoise jup, pretty much.. Easy life, no responsibilities whatsoever
This comment brought a tear to my eye.
i love holland
Proud to be Dutch 💪
Nice speech, Indeed many people know for example New York was once New Amsterdam, but they don't realize what this means. Adriaan van der Monck, a lawyer from New Amsterdam predicted the American Revolution and named it as inevitable in his letters to the Staten-Generaal(Dutch Government), a 150 years before the actual revolution. If you take a look at the American Declaration of Independence it is pretty much a copy and paste of the Plakkaat van Verlatinghe(Act of Abjuration) of 1581, the de facto Dutch Declaration of Independence, same values, same reasons, same argument that the king has abandoned the people. The dream of the American Migrant, where if you worked hard and had ambition, you could climb the social ladder, was not originally American. It existed in Europe, in the Dutch Republic. Above many larger farms in the Netherlands you will see the inscription "Arbeid Adelt", which translates to "nobility through labour"
+Sander van Veen Adriaan van der Donck* I believe
Sounds great, now who knows the web address for food stamps??
Pretty much. Sayings like: 'Everyone can make it, if they work hard enough' are easy to trace back to the Dutch Calvinistic way of life. The political system is pretty much a copy paste of the United Provinces. The American Declaration of Independence is a copy paste of the Plakaat van Verlatinghe(Act of Abjuration). The liberal views of small government and space for companies are also taken from the Dutch Night-watchman state.
Gotta love Americans... they claim things theirs and shout it from the top of their lungs, but if they'd only be taught history properly in schools than we would see a very different America today. I'd think they would come across more grown up to at least me as a Dutch person at least, not that me or the Dutch in general desire praise though. Rather it's something about knowing when to hold back on certain things because you know history.
I guess there we failed as Dutch... we didn't put in place a good educational system, or it was just ruined later on. This is a bit of history I don't know much about either, early education on the American continent.
Sander van Veen Man, i would love to talk history with you some time.
I'm Dutch and I was very interested to hear this!
Excellent presentation. Very valuable information. I hope that soon more documents can be found and translated. I am dutch and highly appreciate Dr. Charles Gerhring work and efforts to bring the forgotten Colony of America the New Netherlands back to live. It is sad that is almost brushed away in American History books. Dank u wel voor uw geweldig werk.
Yeah!! I'm so happy that Dutch people are interested in this information and not just we Americans.
So happy to hear more about my dad’s heritage. The Dutch are awesome!
Not just your Dad's history, but yours as well!
It makes me happy to see, that there is still an interest in the true combined history of our great nations. You can only go forward if you know your history. Well spoken Sir.
* Good job pronouncing the dutch words. It sounds dutch. Not many non-dutch people can do that. Very well done.
* Funny its the same in Europe as well. The dutch have a big footprint in history but cause we are so small people tend to forget it. "Who cares what such a small country did...can't be important". But the funny thing is that we have an impressive history.....people just don't know it. Lol
+Boris de Beste Me too. I was watching it thinking someone was gonna buther the language again but he didn't.
Thank you. I totally agree. And a country should just do the best they can do to do the right thing not to be number one. No one is number one. All countries are different.
They invented brandy. What else do we need?
The English who fought with them in the war against Spain called it "Dutch Courage"
We invented gin too.
FOODPRINT
And the "dollar" comes from the Dutch "daalder". G E K O L O N I S E E R D
The first was spanish dolar real de a ocho.
G E K O L O N I S E E R D
No, the daalder comes from the Bohemian Thaler....
@@Viper81able "Dollar" derives from the German "Thaler" which in turn became the Dutch "Rijksdaalder" and later through a devaluation "Daalder".
The alloy content of the "Dollar" is based on the Spanish "Piece of eight" Peso.
@@galeonsandiego1811 SO??? It were the Dutch that brought it there! And where does Spanish come from????
I feel so proud of my tiny country. We had a lot of influence around the world.
Its incredible how such a tiny country went around the world, with a very level head.. Great country-- Nederlands!
Yes be proud of colonisation! Not a lot of people have tortured Indonesians for coffee. I'm just wondering what you did to the native Americans.
@@nickp7526 OH SHUT IT ffs we know and we all are very sorry, although none of us participated in that awful history .... Its a strange world where indo politician preach auslander r1aus ... now get worked up over that!
@@Mrs_Valentine_Is_Cooking_Pasta you love American corporations? That's Dutch legacy. Merica 🙌
@@Mrs_Valentine_Is_Cooking_Pasta your words are not very angelic like yo name
Americans should be told more about this "best kept secret" of their history.
pleassse, best kept whattt? don't play yourself fool
The Mayflower expedition was organised from the Dutch Republic, where a lot of the Puritans who became the Pilgrimfathers had taken initial refuge. However they considered the Calvinist Dutch Republic 'too worldly'. The Speedwell embarked from Delfshaven (now part of Rotterdam) and the Mayflower would join it and both would sail together to New England.
The Pilgrimfathers originally asked the Staten-Generaal if they would be allowed to settle in the New Netherlands colony. That was refused as the Staten-Generaal feared too many English speaking settlers would provoke a 'possession claim' from England.
There is a Pilgrimfather's church in Delfshaven, where they held a last service, before entering the Speedwell.
Some Dutch immigrants also travelled on the Mayflower. Most notable 'de Lannooy'. His family name morphed into Delano.
Several problems with accuracy. First, the Speedwell did not make it to the New World. Several days out of Plymouth, England it developed leaks. Some of her passengers were transferred to the Mayflower, and the rest had to return to the Netherlands. Many of these made it to the Plymouth Colony later, on other ships.
Second, the name "Delano" comes from the name "De La Noye," which is a Norman French name brought to England in during or shortly after the 1066 Conquest. The "de" you cite in the name is French, were this name Dutch, it would be "van."
The De Lannoy or De Lannooy is spelled in modern French as "De La Noye".
But the name Delano is traced back here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Delano
Philippe De Lannoy was baptized in Leiden.
Leiden was also the town where the Puritan refugees had settled, after they had fled to the Dutch Republic, who had organised and paid for the first ships journeying to New England.
Cities in Holland around 1600 had a very high percentage of immigrants/refugees, in particular from Walloon as the Spanish Habsburgian rulers changed persecution policy after 1585 (Fall of Antwerp) into expulsion of protestants in the areas they still controlled.
Leiden around 1600 had a larger population than Rome.
All major cities in the Spanish Netherlands, in particular Antwerp (which had a population equal to London and Paris in 1584,) imploded after the Spanish rulers implemented a "religious expulsion policy" of Protestants in 1585, after the Fall of Antwerp and subsequent closing of the Scheldt by the Dutch Republic (a military-economic policy that was maintained up to the Napoleonic era).
Many Protestant Walloon families ended up in Dutch Republic cities like Dordrecht, Leiden, Delft, Haarlem and Amsterdam.
It is much easier to track someones ancestry to still existing 17th century baptism registers in a major city like Leiden, as well as the boarding registers for ships. I do think that speculating about "Normans in the UK, that crossed the Channel in/after 1066" as the origin of the surname Delano is definitely not accurate.
De in a name is as dutch as it comes mate, not saying that it ain't French too but it's sertainly not only French. Van however is Dutch only. But 'de' and 'van' are both common in Dutch last names.
Flushing/Vlissingen, Wall street/ Wal Straat, Harlem/Haarlem, Kinderhook/Kinderhoek, Brooklyn/Breukelen, Gravesend / Gravesande, Bronx/Bronck, Spuyten Duyvil/ Spuitende Duivel, Coney Island=Konijne Eiland haha.
And what about our presidents Roosevelt and Van Buren!
ja jullie Amerikanen mogen wel wat respect voor ons hebben😂😂
vergeet santa claus = sinter klaas niet
Or cookie/koekie
Leuk hoe dit ontaardt, gezellig.
New York = Nieuw Amsterdam ;-)
I'm proud of my Dutch heritage. Wish I could get a copy of those records. Thanks so much for this talk, and your records undertaking.
Roxyie, here's the link to the New Netherland Institute.
MUCH info and documents there.
Might be interesting for you .
Greetings (from the Netherlands) :-)
www.newnetherlandinstitute.org/
+eljans Thanks for the link , Groetjes
Don't be that proud of all that massacre. It was a land of Indian tribes.
If you're arguing that the Dutch heritage is only about massacre you're probably a very small-visioned person.
@@Ab.110 Proof that or retract it.
He should have been given the Nobel prize for a lifetime achievement. As I listen to him stating the freedom and tolerance the Dutch had, and by that creating an open, multi-cultural diverse society based more or less on equality, and a chance for anyone to climb the social ladder, It comes to my mind that the Dutch created the birth of the American dream. Charles Gehring is a wonderfull storyteller who brings me back in time of Dutch -American history, of wich the Dutch origins cannot be ignored.
Very true! Even the US Declaration of Independence is in large parts based on the Dutch ‘Plakkaat van Verlatinghe’ (could be seen as the Dutch Declaration of Independence from Spain) written in the late 1500’s.
This part of our shared history is washed out by the British who took over New Netherlands.
Another interesting fact: the pilgrims on the mayflower first went from England to the Netherlands and after a few years left for the new world. Not because of religious prosecution as they claimed, they were allowed to practice their beliefs. The problem was that they thought the society wasn’t strict enough and tried to enforce their beliefs on others. That wasn’t acceptable. I don’t know enough about their time in England, but in the Netherlands they feared their offspring were influenced too much by the Dutch tolerant and open society. So they left. I think the influence of their stricter religious beliefs still can be found in current US politics.
Funny thing is, that the Dutch were the First to declare the US a Country.
And many also forget how the French really helped the US to become an Independent Country!
And for the Dutch, they also had a massive influence on Russia, specially since Tsar Peter visited Holland.
Many do not see the progress, the Dutch made, while being suppressed by Spanish King Philip, before 1600.
Holland was taxed up to paying more than 50% of the Spanish income, and still was able to win land, and build innovative windmills...
In Michigan people say if you're not Dutch you're not much
+Scott Mitrasing
hahaha still counts today xD
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you're a descendant of mythological beings or a descendant of those that held those beliefs?
not special by the way? i beg to differ, i'm convinced that you and your kin at least have the potential for greatness, this can't be said for all peoples on this planet, since there were no examples in their lineage.
+Scott Mitrasing Yeah, that is a known saying. Another one: "And for the final touch, God created the Dutch". ;)
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.... and then the Dutch created the Netherlands :P (about half of the Netherlands is reclaimed land)
There's also another Dutch saying: "God created the world, but the Dutch created the Netherlands." There is some truth to that. The Dutch have reclaimed so much land from the sea that they have literally created the Netherlands. In the past 100 years they've increased the land mass of the country by more than 30%.
Australia was originally called New Holland, New Zealand still is.
Never heard that before. I am currently in "The Bronx" and evidence of Dutch names all over NY.
@@MarlysAppleton Put "Breukelen" into google translate and let the english voice say it. Now you know where Brooklyn comes from.
J Coker Zeeland is a part of the Netherlands.
Slim BoyFat and New Zealand (an actual country, ya know next to Australia) is named after it...
J Coker zealand is Dutch pronounced zey lond new zey lond newzealand
As a Dutch man, I realy love this video. It's good to learn about the (combined) history of the Dutch and Americans
The Dutch invented my absolute favourite tall ship of all time, the schooner. Cheers from a New Yorker!
Schoener
Love this :)
There's no City like New York...
That steam coming out of the ground...is like one living machine...
Nice to hear an American knowing Dutch. Not many of them around.
Paul Freedman nice to hear an American know about anything... not many of em around
Would many Canadians know Dutch?
@@AmandaFromWisconsin Actually yes - the Dutch emigrated en masse after WWII - the ties between the nations are very close and Canada has always been #1 for many Dutch due to their sacrifice in liberating The Netherlands (other allies also, but mostly Canada). In Ontario, Canada's largest province by population, May is officially Dutch heritage month and the flag of The Netherlands flies outside the provincial legislature. Btw I am also Dutch born and a proud Canadian.
@@firstlast7719 Ottawa has an annual Tulip Festival.
I'm Dutch and I know a guy named Ghering. Yep, that's a Dutch name as well. After listening to this, I look around and am like; what on earth isn't Dutch?
You know; If it ain't Dutch, it ain't much :)
The Deutsch - they'd be Duits
kriddie88 Australia s first nam was New Holland.... then Thomas Cook came, rewrote the history books and the Dutch forgot... but Tasmanie = Abel Tasman = Van Diemensland....
Don't forget the American dollar after the Dutch daalder!
Yankee is a combined name of Jan&Kees
My Great Great Grandma's surname was Janssen. They came from the southern provinces of The Netherlands. Coppes is another surname in my family. However, I don't descend from the 'old Dutch'. My folks came over after the Civil War.
I am Fortenberry in the US from surname Van Valkenburg. Directly from 21 generations back born in Limburg. Still researching.
I did grew up in Valkenburg Limburg. Still live south Limburg. But van Valkenburg is not a rare name here in the Netherlands there are several Valkenburg places but the one in Limburg was also a hertogdom region what belonged to France.
@@snatchnl Huh. Valkenburg was Land van Overmaze. Which Duchy are you refering to? Limburg ended up in the hands of the Dukes of Brabant, but the Dukes of Julich also owned some areas as well as the Prince Bishops of Liege. And before those of course there was Charlemagne and his ancestors from Herstal.
Thumbs up if you feel Dutch and want to get ahead in life, travel the world, save more money and ride your bike to work.
And smoke weed.
Zach Bos screw you too
Why do you get so upset because of that?
Ah the troll again...
Because Zach Bos is a known troll
Fascinating. Great work done by Mr. Gerhring.
President Martin Van Buren's first language was Dutch.
well his name is dutch too.
Van Buren, the actual last name of the royal Dutch family.
+Kaplaars k It was the often used fake name. W.A. van Buren was the name of the king in the Elfstedentocht.
J Master A "fake name" that is used all the time, when he enrolled in primary school, high school.university when he enters some sports competitions, makes dinner reservations etc. etc.
His grades in university(which are public), were published under van Buren as well, were so horrible that after the first semester they were kept secret after which they miraculously changed to good grades supposedly. His Master thesis is also a secret document, even though they should be kept in the public library of the university for everyone to see. For some reason this was not the case for his smarter brothers.
The 'van Buren' thing probably comes from Anna van Buren, right? The woman that married 'William the Rich' (Willem van Nassau-Dillenburg), one of the 'forefathers' of the current royal house of Orange-Nassau.
Mr Gerhring, thank you for your interesting speech and your many years of research about the history of The New Netherlands,
Well, the name Gehring (also written as Ghering or Gering) is from the old Dutch-German region too (when the borders of countries weren't what they are now). It can be found mostly throughout the middle horizontal line in the Netherlands (mid-west (North-Holland), mid (Utrecht) and mostly mid-east near Germany (the Twente-region in Overijssel)) and also flows through to a part of West-Germany near the Dutch border.
Thanks for this TED-talk! It's always nice to see Americans from the states of New York, New Jersey, Delaware and Connecticut learning and teaching about their Dutch history (on which their country was largely founded). I'm sometimes amazed at how little they know about their own familyname or the names of their cities/villages :P The 1600s weren't that long ago! At least to us Europeans :P
lastnames ending with -ing or -ink is an old saxion thing (so include Drenthe and Groningen too). It stands for 'son of' For example my last name is Hoving, Hove is a shortcut for 'Hoeve' (Farmhouse) so I'm son of the farmhouse ;)
Theo Buunermond doesn't that come from the Dutch word 'enk'? that's what I learned on school. Your theory sounds better actually, I would be son of a lord. (Heerink)
-ing, -inga or -ink are typical Saxion patronymics. They used it sometimes with the firstname of the father but other things too. Most likely your lastname has something to do with someone which father owns farms/houses and some land. A kind of 'landlord'.
I'm from the Netherlands and I grew up with knikkers too!!
I totally missed that knickerbockers were knikkerbakkers.... since the early marbles were made from clay and painted over....
I travelled the world, been on many coast places and the Dutch been everywhere in their wooden boats, they are amazing.
Zeer goede lezing. Ik ben van nederlandse afkomst en denk dat de invloed van Nederland en de Nederlandse taal in de VS strafrechtelijk wordt verwaarloosd. De Nederlanders zijn te veel bescheiden!
The Flag of New York is Dutch too.
No no, i wish! But only the orange stripe is a reference to the Dutch heritage & our rayal family. The white & blue is a coincedence.Blue represents the Hudson River, forgot bout the white but im sure its about honour or equalty or something like that.
Lazio, don't know where you get your information from, but you're wrong. Except for the American eagle, all the elements of the flag are in reference to the Dutch flag (the oldest tri-color flag in the world) and the WIC and Dutch roots of New York.
In een uitzending van De Wereld Van Boudewijn Buch, waarin hij de geschiednis van de aanwezigheid van Nederlanders in en rondom het huidige New York uitpluisde, vertelde een conservator dat wat ik zei. Al vindt ik de verklaring van wiki een veel leukere en plausibel ook, maar zodra ik een link van die uitzending gevonden heb geef ik 'm ff door, kun je haar verhaal zelf zien/horen.
PS: die 'native' verwijst vast ook niet naar 'ons' trouwens.
Lazio, ik ben benieuwd naar dat fragment van Boudewijn Büch. Ik keek vroeger erg graag naar zijn reisverslagen. Bedenk wel dat tot een paar jaar geleden, toen bijvoorbeeld de historicus Russell Shorto met een genuanceerder beeld van de Amerikaanse en New Yorkse geschiedenis kwam, de gangbare geschiedschrijving van de Verenigde Staten steeds vanuit een 'Anglo-chauvinistic view' gepleegd werd. En nog steeds; met name Engelsen, maar ook Amerikanen hebben maar weinig oog - en dat stoort me - voor de niet onaanzienlijke bijdrage van het nietige 'powerhouse' Holland aan hun beider geschiedenis en cultuur. Misschien heeft de historica uit de aflevering van BB inmiddels ook haar mening herzien.
That might be made up after the English take-over of New Netherlands, The Flag of New York actually is the old Prinsenvlag, the colors of the Dutch Republic.
The current Flag of the Netherlands is the one that was introduced in 1795, after the House of Orange was chased out and the Batavian Republic was installed with 'help from France'. The colors then were made equal to the French tricolore. It remained the flag after Waterloo.
Wallkill, Fishkill. Kill in Dutch is creek. I grew up in Dutchess County and all through this area are a series of impressions going back to the Dutch. In Saugerties, there are still many families, "the Vans" that can trace roots back to the Dutch settlements.
Thank you for sharing your story. Greetings from Amsterdam 🌷
He makes an excellent point about the original Dutch settlers. Many Americans find pride if they can trace their ancestory back to the Mayflower (first English settlers). But people need to learn their history- the Dutch were here first. And there are many families who can trace their roots back to the Dutch. They set up the grid system of the roads in New York City, and the windbrakers along the riversystems of Manhattan. It's amazing it lasted this long. We simply did not learn from them, and now Hurricane Sandy wreaked havoc along the coast of Manhattan. There is a lot of lost information that we can attribute to the Dutch.
Ditto on the Swedes at New Sweden.
Yes. My husband's great grandfather changed the name from Schott to Scott, - which makes descendants mistakenly think they were Scottish, but they were old Dutch. The Dutch Reformed Churches in the area have records.
The most well known Dutch word in (American) English is: Cookie (which comes from the Dutch (Utrecht) word ‘koekie’, which is pronounced the same as cookie).
Another famous Dutch word in (American) English is: boss, which comes from the Dutch word ‘baas’. A lot of the Dutch settlers in Nieuw Amsterdam (and surrounding villages) came from the province of Utrecht. Like the Vanderbilt family. De Bilt is a village near the city of Utrecht in the center of the Netherlands. The way that people from Utrecht pronounce ‘baas’ sounds the same as boss.
No mention of the French Huguenots? We became Dutch by the first generation through intermarriage and by joining the Dutch Church. The French Church in New York turned Church Of England and that was for the social climbers. The French Chapel in New Jersey died out. The Elder David des Marest died in 1691 and his family joined the church at Hackensack. The French Burial Ground where the chapel was has all my earliest ancestors in it. There is a Demarest, New Jersey, Demorest, Georgia and a Demorestville, Toronto, Canada founded by Tories.
David Des marest and his wife Marie Sohier are also founders of the Huguenot Church in Charleston South Carolina.
My first Dutch ancestor was Cornelis Aertsen van Schaijk was a kuiper. He and his wife Belitje are also Teddy and Eleanor Roosevelt's great grandparents. Belitje's sister and her husband Willem Hoppe (r) we the artist Edward Hoppers ancestors. Her third sister was married to Jan Aertsen van der Bilt.
David des Marest was a magistraate of Haarlem. and bought 5000 acres of land from the Leni Lenape to build a saw mill where Demarest is today.
My ancestor Pierre Cresson was Stuyvesant's adjutant. Sent to what is now southern New Jersey (New Amstel) to chase out the Swedes he bought land is is the founder of Woodbury New Jersey. There is a Cresson, PA outside of Philadelphia.
The majority of the Demarest family is still in New Jersey but is also to be found in all the states using 11 different spelllings for the name.
When i look at the USA today, as a Dutch person, I cant say I am proud.
We can take some pride in what the Dutch accomplished with its liberal policies. But what we have let is the legacy of the English and their greed to own the world.
I like that we are hearing about the important cultural mindset that formed the focused vision that undergrinds New Yorkers. I like that the Dutch would not allow exclusion of Jews from Manhattan as long as people wanted to contribute to the civil growth of the community, they were welcomed. This idea was not always allowed to flourish unfettered, but when it worked, it was unbeatable in fusing opportunity with prosperity. A good lesson that still has practical value. merit and inclusion - a cultural gene real New Yorkers take with them wherever they go!
The 23 Jews from Recife Brazil were not welcomed. Stuyvesant made them stay on board their ship until stockholders of the Dutch West India Company provided for the people's upkeep. Quakers were not welcomed either. They too had to get the company too order Stuyvesant to let them stay. They mostly settled in what is now Queens.
Interesting to see this video, always been interested in what the Netherlands achieved in history and found a lot of interesting things and how much influence the Netherlands actually had in the western world and was surprised that it was quite a lot for such a small country and even today i see things that are normal for us in the Netherlands come to life in other countries ... Pretty cool :)
+XReflexian
You're the 3rd or 4th instance of a superpower in modern times. Arguably the spanish were first, then the dutch, the dutch invaded england, throned a dutchman that thereafter reorganized english society so well that they took over shortly thereafter as superpower to hold that position all the way to ww2.
we brought secularism, individualism, tolerance and a heavy emphasis on freedom of trade (which actually was the only cause for war after the war of independance, when others stepped on that freedom of trade)
All these values are echoed by modern day politicians as being originally american values... Annoys me sometimes to se history being rewritten for political easy scoring points.
We the Dutch didn't invaded England. We liberated the island from the French occupation 👍
on English request.
Simon de Gr
look up the glorious revolution
thnx for the tip.. I will look into it 👍
When I studied my husband's maternal Hudson River area ancestry, I found that two great grand parent lines went all the way back to the original Peter Styvesandt's New Amsterdam. They were Dutch/Flemmish Calvinists and French Hugeonauts (who fled catholic persecution) . Another ancestral line were German Lutherans who settled in the New York City Colony. What's amazing is that for 350 years, these various branches stayed in the Hdson River/NY New Nederland area. fascinating
That is probably because New Amsterdam was unlike all the surrounding English colonies very succesfull. Not only did the fur trade run through it, the surrounding land was very suitable for farming, but the Netherlands were economicly far ahead of time with invention like the stock exchange. So the English decided to not enforce there policies upon the Dutch only population. Succes attracts people from around. So the Dutch evantually became a minority there until it died out.
My mother's family, the Ackersons (Eckerson) were citizens of New Netherland. They descend from a Swedish soldier who decided to live in the Netherlands, after fighting for Netherlands in the 30 Years War. Their surname was originally Hugosson, then became Eckerson.
What some Americans do not know but you have this brand of sigarettes... Peter "Stuyvesant" has been named after the last Dutch Director-General of the colony of New Netherland from 1647 until it was ceded provisionally to the English in 1664
Peter Stuyvesant was Frisian. So was Mata Hari.
@@k.b.392 The Frisian dialect is the present-day language that's closest to Old English...
@@Blaqjaqshellaq Frisian is NOT a dialect unless you speak of the 3 Frisian languages; W. Frisian, E. Frisian & N. Frisian. It is an OFFICIAL language declared in 1955. This is a joke since the Frisian language is older than Dutch.
Old Frisian -> Frisian -> Old English -> English.
Mr.Gehring makes some great insightful points, I guess studying something for 40 years should do that, but as far as the rest of us are concerned helps immensely to understand our homeland.
This man should get a medal and be in the Order of Orange-Nassau
As a Dutchy myself I did enjoy this video allot.
Important knowledge for a better understanding of our region and nation- thank you.
Wow.. Iam dutch myself and have heard of this part of our history since middle school. Altough i've never heard an American individual going so deep into this part of history that I learn things my History teacher probably won't even know. I think it's great to dig up historic periods and talk about it en educate people with it so it can (hopefully) bring the difference between worlds to a minimum. Great video and fantastic story.
Hello Mister Gerhring, very interesting speech about Dutch history and influence of the Dutch on American history, society and politics.
My connection to Dutch-American history, is that very briefly a relative of mine was a major of Nieuw Amsterdam/Nieuw Oranje. His name was Jacobus van de Water, and I found a lot of records in the online library of New York, very interesting! I also researched as best as I could, the history of the van de Water family of later generations in America. And discovered that a lot of streets all over America are called vandeWater-street. Not waterstreet, but actually the family name, even in the centre of New York. And for a period of a 100 years there was a hotel near New York, owned by the van de Water family. The other part of my family that has a connection with the Americas, is Francis Cooke/Esther Mahieu (Huguenots/Leiden), and de Lannoye. (or Delano as it was later called)
These were all relatives of my grandfather (Antoon van de Water uit Waalwijk) , so he was connected with the Americas via his father and mother!
The van de Water family has a huge heritage, dating back to 1280. (as far as I, my grandfather and uncle have been able to find) They were a rich and influential family of the city of Den Bosch. (one of the most important citys of the Netherlands in the 16th century)
The Mahieus were a Huegenot family (they earned money by making fabric, common among the Huguenots), who fled France (Lille) for religious persecution, moved to England (Canterbury where Esther was born) and lived in Leiden during the “12 jarig bestand”, and they left The Netherlands briefly before the 80-year war was about to start again.
Maybe it would be interesting to share data about the Dutch in America. Because I hope to learn more about the Mahieu/Cooke family (I know there is a family link with a couple of presidents) and the family van de Water in the Americas.
Regards,
Niels
Tnx for sharing Charles. Wish you all the best.
I just barely found out that I'm descended from the Vosburghs of New Netherland. I.... had to google it! This is my 2nd stop! Can't believe I've never heard of this before.
Origin of “Yankee”: a contraction of the two most common Dutch boys names (at the time): “Jan” and “Kees”. The British used “YanKees” as a nick to mock the locals.
Does the Doodle in Yankee Doodle also come from Dutch? (That wouldn't surprise me!)
@@Blaqjaqshellaq Might be. The word "Doodle" probably came from the dutch word "Doedel" and can also mean a drawing. But it has multiple meanings for instance a bag (Bagpipes is doedelzak in dutch.). However Doedel was also a common surname. So it's pretty likely that Yankee Doodle was a mocking phrase (Jan/kees Doedel). Cause Jan Doedel in dutch basically is used to say someone is a buffoon.
@@Blaqjaqshellaq As stated above, a "doedel" was a quick small drawing, like the kind you do when you are bored in class. But it also means a stuffed animal that babies carry around or even only a piece of fabric, to comfort them.
Thank you Charles for all you did
watch coat of Suriname and see the flag of new york and the windmill of Holland. so you can see in the flag of New York also a part of de republic Suriname, that was a colony of Holland.
I'm Canadian, I recently discovered a large pocket of ancestors from New Netherlands. My ancestors came to Canada as United Empire Loyalists, Van Horn, Van Buskirk etc. I has been fascinating to learn about those early years in this Dutch Colony, they smoked, they drank, they argued, they fought and sued each other regularly, they also worked very hard for the most part! So many great stories, I'd love to get my hands on the records! I married a Dutchman, and I often am reminded of the saying, Wooden Shoes, wooden head, wouldn't listen! lol
Uitstekende speech en veel interessante dingen gehoord. Dank u wel voor het delen.
Thank you for posting! My first ancestor in North America was Thomas Hall, a member of both the councils of Eight and Nine Men and signatory of the treatises generated by both. Unfortunately he died in 1670 and his farm was liquidated , it’s location was around bleecker st basically where New York City hall is today😂 strange to think that it was a tobacco plantation
Love your story
I always have learned that we have traded New York for Suriname. Don’t hear that anywhere
That was a mistake the Dutch made during the peace treaties of the second Dutch-Angelo war.
In the Third and final Dutch-Angelo war, New Netherlands was captured again by the Dutch, but back then Suriname was already claimed by the Dutch.
So no, not really.
@@doctoroesperanto3663 a mistake?
I don't think they saw it that way back then.
Back then Nieuw Amsterdam was a minor colony which made little profit. Suriname on the other hand was already proven to be the ideal place for sugar plantations. So back then it made perfect sense back then. And don't forget that included in the trade was the island of Run. The last of the Maluku spice islands that wasn't under Dutch control.
So it was a very favourable deal.
Of course in hindsight it seems odd. But the Dutch didn't know what New York would eventually become.
I’m Dutch and today I learned something about myself! Thank you!
Here in Delaware, we have some great Dutch geographic names like the Murderkill, Broadkill, Cape Henlopen, and Bombay Hook to name a few.
As someone from Northern New Jersey, I have to agree with him. So many street names, town names, and everything in between has Dutch origins. It’s hard to find a town here without a Stuyvesant street!
As a Van something, this was super interesting.
Looking forward to meeting Dr Gehring in Albany one day at the New Netherland Institute.
Cooper is a Dutch name?! I knew we had a lot of heritage over there in the US, always knew the Van Houtens and the Schuylers and many of the Johnsons, but also the Coopers? :0
cooper is Irish im sure
Maybe comes from Kuiper
Yes and no. Cooper is the English translation for "kuiper" and some Dutch coopers adopted the English form. Same happened to Timmermans to Carpenter. Family names in those early times were often so-called occupational names. The baker was called John (the) Baker, the butcher becomes Tommy Butcher etc
So the vast majority of Coopers in the US are of English or Scottish descent but a small percentage were originally called Kuipers. Ditto for Johnsons BTW
Changes their name to sound english.. rewatch
@@davidbagley1783 I understand people changed their names to English, I just expressed my surprise that Cooper was the anglicised version of Kuiper/Kuyper. No need to be so salty or insulting, especially since you didn't even understand my comment. Sit down.
Excellent talk; thank you! 👍
I'm Dutch and I didn't know about many of those things. Thank you.
TheBushdoctor68: you're welcome. The history of our country is rich and colourfull. Some things we can be proud of, some things.. ehh not so much. Did you know it was a Netherlander who ' discovered' Australia and New Zealand?
HOW ABOUT INDONESSIA NOW,BEFORE COLONY OF THE DUTCH INDIE.V.O.C.FOR 350 YEARS.THE DUTCH WHERE ALSO THE BEST SAILORS IN THE WORLD.TILL NOW THE DUTCH CRUISE SHIP DON'T NEED AN TUG BOAT TO ENTER ANY DOCKING PORT.THE DUTCH DEFEATED THE SPANISH ARMADA.ETC .PLENTY OF HISTORY THERE.
Imca vdB, LOL ''Netherlander''!!!!
Daniel DX : And don't u forget it 🤣
Its Hollander, moron
I met this gentleman at the museum of national history in Albany, NY. It was very strange to speak in an older version of Dutch with him. What he forgot to say is how many Dutch words survived in American-English and even found a way back to England.
yep
especially naval terminology is packed with dutch stuff (seeing dutch history with boats, no surprise either)
The Friese Staten (Frisian states of realm) was the first to recognize the Indepency of the United States. New Amsterdam/York was founded by David de Vries from Hoorn west-Frisia. More Frisians are the Fonda's, Rutger Hauer, Doutzen Kroes, and what about David Petraeus whose father was a sailor from Franeker was Army Commander/ Director of the CIA, Astronaut Lousma, and Ford president Dykstra. And also the 5th richest Americans (6th in the world) are the Koch brothers, whose grandfather Hotze, came from Workum.
caseku Hoorn is actually not a frysiân town.. it's located 40km north of Amsterdam in the province of noord-holland. west-frisia does not hold borders with frysland and the folks there speak a total differend accent.
We're talking about 1600 AD, Amsterdam was only 300 years old in those days, Hoorn was founded in 716, by Frisians and it used to be an island, like Waterland. Also ask yourself why the guy was named "De Vries" and why West-Frisia is still called West-Frisia.
Amsterdam was way older, and to be honest... The story about Frisians founding Hoorn is a legend and not proven. The US put the first man on the moon, and if you tell a Frisian about it they tell you that they created the moon.
Thanks very much for the history and insights
Proud to be Dutch! Greatest explorers on earth! Really interesting to listen to this!
This is nice to hear because I am Dutch. Thank you sir!
Very interesting information and I'm glad know it. I have several Dutch ancestors (most of whom were in the Hudson River Valley) and I've been curious about how it was when they came here.
Some
People do not know that in the Mosquito Coast (East) of Nicaragua before the British arrived there to establish a protectorate, there were two Dutch settlements. There are many families there with Dutch last names and blood. The city of Bluefields was originally Bluevelt, and there is still a small village named Haulover.
The word Dutch comes from the old word "Diets", meaning "from the people" (and language of the people). In Netherlandish (Dutch) the word Diets isn't used any longer. But instead the Germans called their language "Deutch", because they too used the word Diets and hence "Deutschland". The English were mostly trading (and having wars and conflicts) with the closest "Diets" available, the Flemish and Dutch and called them Diets, in English Dutch. Also because the Hanseatic cities were not only in northern Germany, Poland, Baltic States, but also in The Netherlands, and they spoke Middle Low German, the lingua franca of the Hanseatic League. So first Diets might have been a designation for all Middle Low German speakers.
It is sometimes taken to mean the dialect continuum of all the other high medieval Continental West Germanic dialects, from Flanders in the West to the eastern Baltic, but it is sometimes seen as separate from western varieties such as Middle Dutch. Anyway, fact is that Dutch became restricted to Netherlandish in the English language. Which is spoken in today's Flanders (which includes the old regions of Southern Brabant and Belgian Limburg) and (Northern) Netherlands (Which are the 12 provinces North and South Holland, Zeeland, Friesland, and 8 more).
Also because Middle Low German was slowly replaced by High German from the higher southern parts of Germany. Middle Low German became a group of dialects, today generally speaking known as Niederdeutsch oder Plattdeutsch in parts of Northern Germany (with a lot of import words from High German) and Nedderlandsch-Neddersassisch (with a lot of import words from Dutch) in eastern parts of The Netherlands. Maybe also because there were 4 Anglo-Dutch wars in the 17th and 18th century and a lot more conflicts on the worlds oceans and their coasts. I still wonder why the Diets from The Netherlands kept on sailing around while the Germans kept their feet dry? Any suggestions?
I find it quite amazing how our small country had such a big influence on the world.
When you think about it England isn’t that much bigger. They only managed to become a big country by involving Scotland into their colonial project after its own had gone awry. And we all know how they managed to get the Irish involved in their being a big nation with major colonial ambitions project.
Holland actually tried to do the same thing Spain and Portugal did by forming a union with England (with the Dutch King, William the Stadtholder, as king of England), which lasted for a few decades. History could have turned out very differently if this union had continued.
Also consider the fact that historically Holland also included much of modern day Belgium, north western France and there was obviously a bit of a language spectrum going on with germany (so the fixed line we have today wasn’t really there till a few centuries ago). So if you just compare England and Holland in a historical context, these are two small countries in Europe really that have punched above their weight as colonial powers.
Spain and France were the bigger nations in Europe to establish a colonial empire (and Russia if you include east Asia). Germany, Italy and the Austrian-Hungarian empire largely missed out on the opportunities to expand overseas.
@@teddybearroosevelt1847 I think you switched a few things up. The thing that probably made England a colonial power is the reforms that William brought to England when he became king like the constitutual monarchy ( which is almost similair to the Dutch republic), economical reforms like a national bank and the stock exchange and a lot of naval technology.
The Dutch invaded England because a second English French alliance was bound to happen and Louis XIV biggest rival was the Netherlands. So having a descend claim on the throne he invaded when the French where at war with some german city states.
The Netherlands only controlled Belgium for a few years since they became somewhat alianated after a few hundred year French, Austrian and Spanish rule. Also when looking at land size the Netherlands was the same as now with 2 of the 12 provinces less. Population wise between 1600-1700 the Netherlands had 2 million people, England 6 million, Scotland 1 million and Ireland 1 million.
Germany, Italy and Austria-Hungary did attempted to expand overseas, but it was just not viable. Spain and Portugal started colonization since they had the perfect place on the map. The only reasonably country that didnt accomplish much until much later was France
Marvelous, true history meets healthy emotion gratitude, the Neth.
My mother's family has been here since this time. My 7th GGF, Tomys Swartwout was one of the first settlers, a tabacco trader. Also magistrate of Flatbush NY.
A lot of words in American English have Dutch roots, including cookie, spook, poppycock ("soft sh*t"), yacht, blunderbuss, boodle, booze, bumpkin, caboose... (Several of these words contain a double "O.")
Love this. Thank you.
Schools in Upstate New York teach the state’s Dutch history, at least they did in the 1980’s when I lived there.
I am a descendent of Kip/kyp of Kip’s Bay and they had a farm along the East River. I didn’t know Kip meant Chicken, maybe he had a chicken farm.
The main reason for Dutch settling all over the world was trade, not
colonization. The profits of that led to the economic power in the
Dutch Golden Age in the 17th century. Eventually, trade posts grew out
to settlements with a diverse population like New Netherlands. It's
interesting to see how the diversity in New York is still present after
all that time.
I don't think a lot of Dutch historians even know this. I never heard anything about it in school. They did tell us that we founded New Amsterdam and sold it for 13$ (Best deal we ever made :D )
Actually it was not sold. It was ceded after it had changed hands several times in the 2nd and 3rd Anglo-Dutch wars. The Dutch recognized they were being out-bred in New England surrounded by English colonies and that the future of the colony staying Dutch was tenuous. So they exchanged it for the tiny English claimed spice islands of Ai and Run in the East Indies achieving a complete Dutch monopoly on the spice trade - and also traded it for several English colonies that had been founded in Surinam so that rich Surinam would be completely Dutch.
Not teached you this??? Did you even go to school? They are still teaching this in school.
Its about time we take back our Dutch lands from the Americans. For King and Country!
Frits Spits LOL grapjas 🇳🇱
WaterLily loser. Such attitude.
No wonder the Spanish you guys over.
DUTCH STILL OWNS AMERICA SECOND.WAS ON AN SURVEY ON TV."WHO OWN AMERICA?"INDIANS FIRST I THINK.
No, it wasn't. We purchased it from the "native" Americans(their ancestors immigrated too) and had quite good relations with them, most of the time. Mostly in fur trade.
Ramble Brakenhoff : purchased? With what? Beads and mirrors? You mean stolen?
A lot of common American surnames are Dutch as well like Smith = Smit, Brown = Bruin, Williams = Willems, Baker = Bakker, Newhouse = Nijhuis, Garrison = Gerritsen, King - Koning(s), and so on
Enjoyed and watched until it became about him. Love the history.
Great story. TOLERATION!
Great video love the Dutch languages in between
Its a pity that he is not a professional speaker but several books have been made party based on his work. I very much enjoyed the 2 books by Russell Shorto.
'The Island at the Center of the World' and 'Amsterdam'. Both make use of this research and are fun reads (or listen the audio books).
makes perfect sence, greetz from Gelderland ; )
Don't forget the most famous Dutch descendant from New Amsterdam- Bruce Springsteen.
As a Dutch, this is so cool to hear. Somehow I feel like a part of my family and "roots" is now in the US. It's kinda weird ;P
We also named an entire country after one of our provinces: Zeeland literally translated Sealand but they decided to keep in the 'Z' so in English the province is called Zealand. And the dutch named an entire country after it: New Zealand .
Noah Wattel wow today I learned that New Zealand is with a Z I never noticed that before because of Zeeland. Maybe because I’m Dutch but in English that would be written with a S of course...
There are so many stories from the era that you only know if you look at the individuals of the dutch period. If you generalize, 'the dutch', 'the english', it's really boring. How did van Sclichtenhorst scare off Petrus Stuyvesant? How did John Winthrop Jr take New Netherlands for the British? Why was Alida Schuyler van Rensselaer Livingston a virgin widow? These are all my ancestors, I know all the stories. They are not in the old records.
Santa Claus also comes form the Netherlands and is from Sinterklaas
Rick Dymanus
Yeah only sinterklaas come's originaly from turkey
Sim Brink Sinterklaas was a real person
Marte van Vechel Saint Nicolas was born in an area that is part of Turkey now. 😉
Santa was just a bootleg Sinterklaas made by coca cola
Yes, I would argue that the "melting pot", individualism, and commercialism so characteristic of modern America has its roots NOT in New England (which gets all the colonial glory), but in New Netherland.
My ancestors arrived near Albany in 1637 near Albany. Mijn voorouders kwamen in 1637 in de buurt van Albany aan
I’m a researcher in Germantown NY and have been researching headstone designs of the Hudson Valley. While there are thousands of English headstones and graves there are an amazing number of headstones in Dutch. The Dutch also had many of their own very very distinct styles of headstone in the area too. The writers who say the influence of the Dutch in the area is minimal are mistaken. Even now in 2020 Dutch culture is in the Hudson Valley. There are Dutch Reformed Churches and cemeteries filled with Dutch. Unfortunately many of their gravestones were destroyed from the grave markers being wood and the environment eating away at them.
4:10 Very well said....
Hudson was English but the ship he was on was Dutch therefore the Dutch claimed it
He was hired by the Dutch just like Columbus a Genoese (Italian) was hired by Spain.
I am devastated at the fact that this EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FACT IN OUR NEW YORK aka New Netherland area- was buried and denied. I personally feel like I was lied too. The declaration of independence CAME FROM THE DUTCH and the present lack of understanding is unacceptable. YOU must know your history- and I am not even dutch! I am really disgusted........