We will be back here again next Sunday this time with a tour of the round house looking at the other three engines here in Cheyenne as well as the diesel locomotives!
Toy Man Television you should be at Tweetsie Railroad come late August for there 60th season and the 100th anniversary of their #12 engine during railfan weekend where they run both the #190 and #12 engine all at once!
Dale, you will never be boring! Nor are you Karyn. It's really great UP is letting you have such access to their shops and locomotives. This is fun. Thanks.
Thank you for showing us the progress on the UP Big Boy locomotive. I found this video quite by accident. When I opened UA-cam, this afternoon, this was among the recommended videos. I'm glad I found it, because I had already watched the movie when they were moving it for the re-build.
Wow, nice video. Thanks for the update. We had never heard of Big Boy but flew from the East Coast into Denver then drove north into Cheyenne then drove all the way west to Yellowstone and back. While in Cheyenne we happened to see signs about this 'Big Boy' which we'd never heard of before so stopped to see it. Simply amazing. Can't believe it's actually going to run again. Thanks again!
Hello again Dale and Karyn! I'm going back through some of your older videos of the UP 4014 reminiscing of stories past. During my trip down memory lane I got to thinking, how cool would it be if you were to pull clips from all of your Big Boy stories and compiled them into one video reflecting the progress of the mighty 4014? I'll bet that you would receive some fantastic reviews and input from your loyal followers. I know that this could be a daunting task, but how cool would it be to see a progressive clip of the restoration of the Big Boy?
Danny Holt yeah he's already smitten that's his wife! She's actually the one who shot the video we were looking at. And boy what I like to get a copy of it it's amazing
Wow, those Wyoming "Highway closed gates" at the edge of towns really do get used! I have only driven through Wyoming in July or August. Will be great to see the Big Boy running again.
Bruce Collins yes they really close that freeway down! And as the motels fill up and they just close the freeway at the next town down so people quit arriving at the town where they can't stay. When we were driving a crossed we heard on the radio that they were closing the freeway east of Rocksprings we immediately booked a room in Rocksprings. But by the time we got there the freeway behind us had been closed all the way back to Evanston. And they were telling people in Salt Lake to not bother coming that way. Effectively the entire state was closed from one end of the state to the other
Stunning, just stunning. Thank You for your sacrifice of staying at Hotel 6. It was well worth it. Another peek at 844 was nice, as well. Carry on with this pursuit of Massive Screwing around. Greg and Jeanne.
Yes, Wyoming weather can be a bitch. My wife grew up in Laramie and my first teaching job was in Cheyenne. We net in Laramie. Looks like the opening video was on I- 80. Did you see the tree in the road as you went West?? It is still there as the railroad used to go by on the same route as I-80 does now. Up Sherman Hill to the top and then East. There is a rock that was bu the road bed that had a tree growing out of it and the train crews would throw a bucket of water on it as they went by. Eventually it grew into a pretty good tree and now the park rangers water it so it continues to grow. Thank God they are restoring that beautiful beast. I have been in the round house many times and can not get enough of it. My wife is in Laramie right now. Had an experience in Heston Indiana at the live steam museum many years ago. They were restoring a Shay and doing a full replacement of the tubes that take the hot gasses from the boiler to the smoke stack. Someone asked me if they had ground the welding around the tubes and the man doing the welding spoke up and said, "If you need to grind welds, they are not right". Turns out he was a welder from the "old school" and had dome welding on nuclear plants for years. Most people don't know that train wheels have tires on them. It is a nice video seeing them take the old tire off and place the new one on. Do you know why most of the engines that blew up did so coming into a town??? It is sad that the steam engine is not working still. They are so much more powerful that the diesel. There is a story about a challenge of power where they coupled a diesel to a steam engine and the steam engine pulled the diesel backwards and won the contest. The steam engine ran very clean out on the line. The only place they smoked was when they were trying to get the train moving and needed a lot of steam. They regularly ran at a high speed too. Some ran in the 80 MPH area out on the flat track.
David Curtis hello! Yes the northern 844 is capable of 110 miles an hour! They never run it that fast but back in the day they would. These days it's limited to 79 miles an hour, I think they do that to emphasize the fact that we really mean it when we say 79 and we're not just rounding it off to 80 but it is kind of a funny number. Have you ever heard of the book Zen and the Art of motorcycle maintenance? There's a whole thing in there on welding and the difference between a good weld and a bad weld. And this has nothing to do with the actual welds, but the difference between people with a quality attitude and people with a non-quality attitude. Amazing book intended for teachers. There was a move about 20 years ago to bring back the steam locomotive, and they called it the ace 2000. The steam locomotive for the 21st century. If you watch the video on Ralph and Rosies brass engines there's a great shot of Juan. Ralph build a model of it from scratch! It looks like a diesel engine but if you look closely it has drive wheels inside rods and is a classic steam locomotive.
David Curtis I can relate...as I am a Wyomingite.. and a Cheyenne native...yes indeed " Live The Legend" My Brother In Law William "Bill" Riley Sr operated 8444 Steam Locomotive long ago..Bill Riley Sr had a 43 year career as a Union Pacific Rail Road Locomotive Engineer.. sadly Bill left us due to a Massive Stroke,we miss him so very much.. Bill posthumously received The Rare and Prestigious Golden Spike Award and has some of his Safety Awards in The Golden Spike Museum at Bailey Yard , North Platte Nebraska.. There's alot more Railroad stories I could share.. along with other Wyoming History and Trivia! Thanks for the video.. it's been many years since I have worked inside the UPRR Cheyenne Roundhouse, abating Asbestos from a Steam Locomotive long ago!
Hello!! Isn't that a great locomotive? Ed, who is head of the UP heritage program really knows his stuff! I called him yesterday and the call kept breaking up. It seems he was inside the fire box of 844 working on something! When they get this amazing loco running, be sure to get out to see it. Something you will remember forever. Ed showed us the water treatment system they use to "soften" the water they use in the locomotives. When you boil water the water turns into steam but the minerals turn into a white "mud" that settles to the bottom and will soon fill the boiler with this mud. What I didn't know was back in the time of these locomotives, the UP had special treatment facilities all along the railroad to remover minerals from the water used in the locomotives. They also "blow down" all steam locomotives every hour or so when they are running. They open a valve near the bottom of the boiler and this blows a lot of the minerals in the boiler out of the boiler.
Thanks for the update, Ilove hearing about the progress of the Big Boy, hopefully when I retire from CSX I will get the opportunity to see it in motion.
There is complete Big Boy on permanent display at one of Cheyenne's parks, on Lincoln Way East. I'm from Indiana, have been to Cheyenne twice and I LOVE that town.
It's so amazing to see how far that tbe restoration of the No. 4014 has come. Here we are 2.5 years later tracking the run of the Big Boy on its excursion throughout the west and south, and going back up through Colorado as of the time of this writing.
Thank you for the welcome. *My friend has a channel on UA-cam ..it is His mission to Film all the Miniature Railways in the UK...You might find it interesting it's called ...wooltman. cheers....Steve.-:)
Thanks for the video update, I have been looking forward to seeing the 4014 big boy put back together, and running again as well! Moreover, I like what they have done with the 844, since 2010 was the last time I saw it in my area of Claremore, Oklahoma! It was a treat to see this steam engine up close, since mainly the steam engine I have been around were used on short tracks like in Eureka Springs, Arkansas, or out of service, sitting in a park some place! And if I ever get my photo, and video CD back from my mother, who used it in her class room, I will be able to post videos and photos of my experience with the 844, and hopefully, I will get a chance to do the same with the 4014 as well! Again thanks!
Thanks for the update on the Big Boy. Fascinating machine. I was curious where they are on the project. I always hoped/wished that someday someone would restore on of them to working order. I was pleasantly surprised when I stumbled on a video of them trying to move it from its resting place of 50+ years (I think) in LA. Can't wait to see it in action!
Nice video. I saw your video of chasing the 844 a few days ago and subscribed to your page. My daughter and I were fortunate enough to see the 844 one of the last times it was in Pueblo Colorado about six years ago. It's a pretty neat experience to be up close with that kind of power. I can't wait to see 4014 back on the rails again and I really want to see challenger running again soon. To me, challengers whistle is amazing to listen to.
Jay 844s whistle is much louder than it used to be! I mean a whole lot louder than it used to be, like you're splitting loud! Because they're running at a higher pressure now as the boiler is perfect
That makes sense. The only thing I forgot to mention is that when 844 was in Pueblo, it was using a Big Boy whistle. I'm thinking it was around 2011 when I saw it last. Do you know if the original whistle is back in use?
Mark Bartlett we are in Cheyenne for the next two weeks. We actually found a whole other steam shop there didn't know about that. But they're rebuilding some small locomotives. Right now were in California working on show number 200!
Larry Grant my only fear was would be snowed in so long with missed the whole thing. As it is we had a grand time in Rocksprings explore in the old fire department and jail
I had family that lived in Wyoming a few years ago... So Evanston was a second home for me for a time. Everyone living there seems to take the closure of the I-80 corridor in stride.. Not that they like it... but that is Wyoming! The truck drivers seem to take things in stride as well.. Part of the job! There is something to be learned here! :D
Feel free to come up to Winnipeg, Canada sometime. We're home to (I'm pretty sure) Canada's oldest operating steam train, the Prairie Dog Central. The train is usually pulled by a former Canadian Pacific 4-4-0 built back in 1882 in Scotland.
Carl Sorensen we love seeing the work on this great engine. They're doing a fabulous job! More interesting with all the really figuring out how to rebuild steam locomotives and re-creating all of the tools necessary to do that.
This is a cute video with your chit chatting along with a great look at what has been done to 4014. I had written letters to U.P. some 7-8 yrs. ago about retrieving and rebuilding a 'Bog Boy' and never got an answer back. Now inn the past 3 years, look at what has happened. I know my letters had nothing to do with it, but I wonder??? I hope I am lucky enough to see it running, at my age. Make more videos like this.Thank you for placing on here!
So many of us (you too!) begged for this, but someone offered to pay for it!! And the answer was still NO!!! Really??? But with the right pressure in the right places, we will soon have a BIG BOY to smash pennies for us!!!
Chooo Chooo Dale & Karyn! Thanks for another fantastic update on the Big Boy locomotive! You have an incredible gift for making even the smallest details so very interesting! I love your informative & fun documentary style, & especially appreciate the excellent background music (no acid rock in the Old West!) BTW - Dale...at what point after meeting Karyn did you decide to pop the question to be Mrs. Toyman? Contrary to popular opinion, Wyoming does have a summer season! Last year it was 4 whole days...if you blink, you missed it!! Keep up the massive screwing around!
Wyoming is definitely a world of it's own! The channel tells a story.. and everything is all documented right here, from the very beginning, to the present.. So, do watch! ~K.
The day they take 4014 out of the shop on its own power i want to be there. Ever since i saw the pictures and the steamtown big boy watched them in the old railroad videos and heard the long deep whistle when i was young i just wanted to either drive one ride one or just watch it go. Soon i can have my childhood dream come true and i can't wait.
Looks like Mr. Denkins has an admirer @ 9:13 onwards - and I don't think she's interested in the iPhone footage either ;D - She's definitely smitten - LOL! Ah, those babe magnet engineers...I'd enjoy a tour of the 844 locomotive as well.
That was great. Was sad when it ended. Hope you give updates on the progress they make on that engine if you can. You guys need your own TV show. Thanks. :-)
Mike West back there for the next two weeks. Then the 209th Shimek in California. With narrow gauge trains, WWII aircraft and trucks and steam tractors. Wow!!
super video on the progress going on with the big boy. I not a gig fan of the steam engines. but the big boy is just an amazing creature !!!!. thanks for the video and would love to see lots more on her.
I think many people are moved by the Big Boy... There is just something about an engine that size that is unfathomable. I can't wait for the restoration to be complete! Thanks for watching! :D
I have been watching your videos and enjoy them I'm going by Cheyenne and hope I can get in to see big boy love steam engines and the time in our lifes to see this is so so very cool!!
Rob White we're going to be hanging around there for two more weeks. Found a whole other locomotive shop there and Cheyenne! Didn't see that one coming. Right now were in California working on show number 200! And boy did we see some amazing stuff today
You guys should come down to Tennessee to the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum to see Southern Railroad 4501 great episode to become nice to see the old Cheyenne shops
Southern Railroad 630 and 4501 Rock like to. Hard to say what and when. We really just "go with the flow". But keep talking about a trip south at some point.
Neil Passage if it hadn't been for anxiety about missing the depot days, the getting snowed in in Rocksprings was actually really fun! Forest us to spend time wandering around in a town that we normally wouldn't wander around in meeting all kinds of great people and seeing all kinds of cool things like the old City Hall and fire department
You guys should come to oregon. The 4449 is going to have an excursion soon, and the ORHF is pretty cool. If you come on a Saturday, there are train rides.
These are probably the most quality videos I've ever found on UA-cam! It's so hard to find content like this that is informational yet fun at the same time! Never have I seen such attention to detail in the editing and the character you guys bring to the video is outstanding! Keep it up!!!
Just back from California... Wow! What a trip! Nice weather all the way.. Great for a change... Even the traffic was flowing in the right direction! The only problem was the massive slide, which closed the 1 (PCH) at Big Sur.... So there was no driving on that! But unlike Wyoming... California offers a wide variety of roads and freeway systems to move motorists from place to place. We stuck to the 101, and eventually ended up down in LA (Beverly Hills) to visit my daughter! A great time was had by all! We even rode a train! LOL! Thanks for watching!! :D
Mad about old steam locomotives and their restoration - but I'm even more mad about this music soundtrack. It sounds just stupendous with my laptop's Nahimic HD virtual surround system, with position tracking, and my trusty Samson SR-950 professional studio monitors (50mm drivers, 10 Hz - 25 Khz). Just an absolutely stunning listening experience. WHAT is this music soundtrack? Thanks!
Trev0r98 hello. I buy that music from the library called smart sound. It's an amazing library, I've bought hundreds of their pieces, not only do they have great music, but they break the music into measures. Sometimes half measures sometimes full measures sometimes two measures at a time depending on the content. What that means is I can grab individual pieces and rearrange it in any order that I want. Needless to say some of those combinations I don't work at all, but many of them work brilliantly! And this allows me to match the music to what's going on on screen. And make the music the exact length of the section that I'm trying to cover. Moreover much of the music was recorded by instruments. So if I want to remove the drums I can do that if I want to remove the violins I can do that, therefore I can really change the feel of the music and even remix it. Needless to say I screw around with it endlessly trying to get the music to match perfectly. Also it's important to be able to do that fast We are putting up at least one show every week I don't have time to mess around with it for more than a couple of hours per show, and this is possible using this software and music library.
The only two railroads that I know of that used water. Scoops was the New York Central and the Pennsylvania Railroad to eliminate water stops. The Pennsy to my knowledge didn't use the centipede tenders Ike the Central did. The NYC J-3 Hudsons used the centipede tenders holding 46 tons of coal as well as the Niagras ( 4-8-4 ) which were rated at 6600 horsepower at 120 mph were only 6 years old when retired and scrapped. Literally the most powerful 4-8-4's, on the planet. All that power built within a 15 foot clearance diagram. The 844, 4449, 261, 3751, were all built with 16 foot clearances. With a water scoop meant they only had to stop for coal once from Harmon to Chicago or Saint Louis. They would take on 12,000 to 20,000 gallons of water in one track pan. It was replenished by a nearby water tank through a float arrangement very similar to a toilet tank fill valve with a 6 inch feed line to replenish the track pan in good time for following trains. Remember until the Hudsons came along passenger trains ran a maximum of 12 cars as that's all the Pacifics 4-6-2 could handle without double heading. After the first Hudsons were in service they could handle 26 cars at 80 mph without double heading. The UP chose the 4014 for the dry climate it was in, but after tearing the engine down discovered it wasn't in as good a condition as they thought. In the event they needed a cast frame all is not lost as they still can cast them in the United States, They are known as shipyards today as there are several shipyards capable of casting large parts. To " start " a big boy you need at least 72 hours as they fill the boiler with a OK 4225 type railroad boiler commonly used in diesel locomotives for passenger service. By using hot steam to warm up the boiler before lighting her off she warms up slowly to allow her to stretch roughly 2 to 3 inches in boiler length after she's fired up and sitting near 300 pounds of pressure. And a match or 5 minute fusse is used to light off the " wick" that is used to light off the oil burner in the firebox. Check out this video. I do think you will enjoy the two videos. ua-cam.com/video/ntzO4HAxwgg/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/QTpEIb-SuoM/v-deo.html The second video includes a train in February 1929 crossing what is now known as the Smith Bridge crossing the Hudson River, when it comes out of the main structure and in front of it is the SK tower that controls trains off the Hudson division and going straight through a 5 mile climb to the Boston and Albany railroad that I ran trains on back in the 70's. It's still in use today. If it were to be taken out of service all freight and passenger trains would have to go to Albany, NY to reach the Hudson division and the New England division ( Boston and Albany ) SK tower is on the west end of the bridge just over a mile from the bridge controlling trains entering and leaving Selkirk yard and the River division as well as another track that feeds trains into Albany and the Boston and Maine railroad. Enjoy. Cheers
That is so incredible! I was really blown away when you stated that the locomotive frame was one casting. Simply amazing. How often does UP have tours of their steam engine facility? That would have been good info to know. Also....were you able to get into that beautiful station? Would like to see the interior/history of it. Great episode as always. Now my wife and I are talking Cheyenne road trip!
Been trying to figure that out for a bit. Check out teespring.com/toy-man-television-1936#pid=369&cid=6524&sid=front Just put this up. Never tried this before, we will see how that works!
+Toy Man Television thanks, that's good news, we ( my wife, 2 sons ,which the oldest is handicapped loves the steam era locomotives ,he has all the big steam articulates pic all over his bedroom wall ,we will by there in 2019
In case you were wondering, the two other engines are a 2-10-2 and a 4-8-4. The 2-10-2 is assumed to be in Extremely good condition, and "could take only a couple of weeks to restore" it's so good. The other 4-8-4 is being currently used as a parts source for the 844. One day that other 4-8-4 will be cosmetically restored, but that's not a priority.
Quasimoto7 oddly the 2-10-2 is not a locomotive they plan to restore and in fact they say they are looking for a good home for it. I'd like to see it stay and run again some day.
UPRR 844 stopped here last June on the way to the College World Series in Omaha.Always nice to hear a steam locomotive blowing into town. Summer after next, we hope 4014 will stop in our city for an hour. Something to look forward to.
Until then, I will be content seeing and listening to the many, many UP freights that go through Columbus everyday. One is going through as I type this, and another will follow in a few minutes. We have a lot of traffic through our city 24/7 as this is the transcontinental line. As a matter of fact, Columbus was end of line at one time.
Toy Man, that was some "Massive Screwing Around!" It's great to see the Big Boy Steam Locomotive, and shops in Cheyenne, WY. Oh, by the way, "two crooks bought a hotel. They were inn-mates." ;-)
JPilot2 we're back there next week to look at the Roundhouse and a bit more screwing around in Cheyenne the week after. We found another locomotive shop there!
Toy Man, awesome! I will look forward to your looking around at the Roundhouse and with a bit more screwing around in Cheyenne, WY. It's a lot of fun... Enjoy! Thank you very much! :-)
I can't think of a locomotive that has ties to my past more than the 4014. I grew up asking the question to my dad and Granpa "why couldn't they run this engine again?" Followed by it would just cost too much! Sadly I accepted this answer, but always wished that it wasn't true! I climbed all over that engine, blew the horn and checked the drivers to see how massive the rods were. She was always my favorite in the LA Fairs exhibit. Even though Grandad had worked on the little Sunkist Packing train that brought citrus to the yards in LA through the towns that were named for what they produced; Orange and Walnut. I grew up in the desert after moving there from West Covina. When I heard the UP had an interest in the 4014 it was met with some concern that they just wanted to out do the 611. I do hope to see her run and enjoy the sights and smells of the 4014 and listen to her take her steps into life. I can't say how excited I am about this!
Not widely known, UP felt this was way to expensive, and never considered it. Until a person offered to pay the bill. At first they still said no, to much work for them even if someone is paying, but then the idea of rolling it out for 2019 came up. And they went forward. No idea who the "angel" is on the project, we may never know if he or she does not want to come forward. Also on number given but must be in deep 7 figures.
Toy Man Television I know that I am not alone in wanting to see this massive engine rolling again, and no I didn't know about the contribution from the individual. WOW is all I can say! I had heard that it's going to be oil fired I think like recycled oil from restaurants for instance, but I'm not sure how the 844 is fired, I think the Grand Canyon railway was running on that. If they run this massive engine for PR events will it run out to both coasts?
They had a bad day with 3985 on its first day out. I was there. Started dozens of fires in the dry grass. Almost burned a house. They took it back to Cheyenne and converted to oil. I think regular fuel oil, could be wrong. Anyway, 4014 has its grates removed and being set up for oil. A bit of work to the tender is all that still needed. Oh, and fireman controls.
Bill kriner...... The 4014, like the 844 (and originally. the 4005) will be fired with No.5 oil distillate. The UP first tried it with the 4005 (which was also the only Big Boy ever involved in a wreck [April 27th, 1953] )... however, they were trying to fire that massive firebox (720 sq. ft.) with only a single burner.... resulting in uneven heating and insufficient boiler pressure, so the 4005 was returned to the southern Wyoming soft coal, that the 4000's were designed to burn. Utilizing "recycled oil from restaurants" for fuel.... would cause more issues than "Carter has little liver pills". As far as "will it run out to both coasts?"...... No, it will only run on UP mainline where there is sufficiently heavy enough rail weight... but it will run out to Cal. on one of its first excursions as per part of the agreement with the Fairplex Rail Giants Museum people in Pomona, CA.
So many people are going to come from around the World to ride behind 4014. I'll be one. I have said it before, but here goes again: I wish Richard Trevithick could see what became of his invention! Well done UP. Thanks for the vid.
Richard Trevithick needs more attention. Stephens gets all the press. I have a plan... A series of vids called "Everything you want to know about the Steam Locomotive" Building a 1/24 of Trevithick's 1802 locomotive for that. And a Rocket naturally.
Richard T. spent his last couple of years at John Hall's (engineering company) in Dartford, experimenting with 'strong steam' (HP Steam) and some believe he was working on turbines. He'd gone bust in South America and it is said that Robert Stephenson came accross him, recognised him and paid for his passage home to the UK. But he surely could not have guessed at how big and powerful US steam locos would become. I mean.... WOW!
Rob Crawford it is a great shot!!! But I just saw the tag Cheyenne and believed it. And I know that place!!! It’s like confusing your kids names. Which also happens. Oops. Thanks for the kind words!!!
Watched your 844 chase and thoroughly enjoyed this coverage of 4014. Question though - is Challenger just sitting there awaiting its turn? Was hoping to see all three of these awesome steam locomotives at the celebration in a couple of years. You're sure having your share of fun and I hope you'll keep sharing this stuff with us.
Ron Hoffstein challengers firebox is in similar condition to 844s, and pretty much need to complete replacement. When I first realized that they were literally going to write the locomotive off as a lost cause but when it turned out that 844 needed the exact same thing no way are they going to write off 844. So the great news is they now know how to completely replace a firebox and have spent hundreds of thousands on the tools necessary to do it. As soon as big boy is up and running challengers going to get a new firebox and be running again. Unfortunately it'll probably be 2025 before he's back out on the high iron
The UP sure has my respect for their efforts in this historic preservation project. My dad was a career UP man, retired Conductor, so I grew up with UP all around me. What's worrisome though is that they have always been a profit making business, aggressively so sometimes, and spending money on a project that isn't showing them an immediate profit just doesn't seem to fit their mold. The great PR they're getting from this effort has got to be colossal though. Something I'm living for is to get back to North Platte and see those three old engines come through, actually pulling an honest load. Donno. 2025 takes me too close to the century mark but it's sure worth trying for. Meanwhile, I'll keep an eye out for your chases.
when is the spike driving ceremony? I would like to be there for that.. Oaks Ames is like my 5th great grandfather so it would be really neat to be there.
Troy Bush looking to have the tests in 2018. Then the first trip May 10 2019 for the 159th anniversary on the golden spike. But may not be possible. But looking good for that so far.
I sincerely hope that once this beast is completely restored someone (either NatGeo or History) does a documentary on her...wish they'd send her on a cross-country tour; I'd love to see her come through the Crossroads at Corinth, MS!
I have never been to the US I have lived in Sydney since 72 after moving from London. i think the bigboy in,steam will cause a lot of people like me to come to see it. I would love to see it against its great great great grandfather, Stephensons Rocket . Mind you I think you could just about fit the rocket in the firebox of a bigboy. To hear that eerie whistle on Sherman hill would be something .
@@663rainmaker wow that must have been exciting. Well in May 2019 we did go to the USA and Canada, Ideas there when it made her first run but sadly we were nowhere near Cheyenne or Ogden. Oh well I will just have to come back again
Thank you Great vid! I subbed & liked. Next time in Cali check out Inland Empire Rail museum it's got all kinds of street cars& Rail road gear & if you get down there be sure to ride the train at San Diego rail museum it takes you into Mexico to the town of Tecate yes the beer you also get a tour of the Brewery thrown in. And no passport required. Have Fun!
You hinted at the stage of restoration for the 2014, but do they have any somewhat realistic expectation of completion date? (ya know, you were only about two hours from Denver's Union Station and it's incredible restoration. 😋)
William Victor they really are shooting for 2019 to take it to Ogden for the big ceremony there. They're hesitant to say that publicly as people will say they failed if they don't make it. So it's very very unofficial. But that's the goal. And so far right on schedule! May 2019
With regard to the 79mph speed limit: as I understand it, 79mph is the speed to which the FRA limits trains that do not have cab signal apparatus or are operating in non-cab signal territory.109mph is the maximum speed in cab signal territory except on Amtrak's Northeast Corridor where Amtrak has a special dispensation to go faster.
Adam Pinales I doubt those things will ever leave the monument. But they'll have them nicely dressed up for the event and perhaps new paint matching the new color theories
I wonder if there has been any knowledge lost on how to truly run these behemoths. The engineers are probably all gone from that era who probably knew all the tricks and insider knowledge that a manual simply cannot explain. I'm glad UP is doing such a great job keeping our past alive. I'm old enough to remember waving at the caboose at the end of the now extinct Soo Line that used to run through my small hometown.
There are probably only about 500 people who know how to run a steam locomotive well. Of them, only about 20 would be the slightest bit comfortable pulling back the throttle on this giant. Ed is one of them, and as I see it, the best choice for the job. That's not an accident. Ed has been moving in this direction his whole life, and UP noticed that many years ago. And so at one point handed control of this program over to him. I have great respect for the UP. This is one reason why.
Now that the SP and the UP are combined, I'd like to see them build a new Cab Forward from scratch. With UP/SP resources and expertise, 3-D modeling, etc. they could easily do it using the one remaining Cab Forward for patterns, etc. Nonetheless, Great report!
It would be great to see your cab forward running again! The only survivor is in Sacramento, and I doubt anyone will ever get that running again, but never say never! Wouldn’t it be amazing to see that thing up on Donner Summit!
Toy Man Television I'm not counting on it. The Big Boy is a huge steam engine. I predict it might be steamed up in 2019. But if all goes well it might be next year. That would excite me very much. The Strasburg Railroad in Pennsylvania is the only railroad that has a huge parts catalog for steam engines. There rebuilding another one of our Disney World steam engines. There's also still restoring there locomotive #89 for her 15 year FRA inspection.
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would love to see how they made that huge casting back in the day.
I really liked your video. Thank you. Are they making extra spare parts so they could possibly put them on some of the other 'Big Boys' to get them running also? New subscriber.
They are making extra parts so the are able to keep 4014, 3985 and 844 running for many decades. There are no plans to rebuild any of the surviving big boys other than 4014. I highly doubt they will rebuild the UP 9000 as its wheelbase is so long it would require a lot of track work so it could run without derailing. Regarding the big boy tender they will remove the coal stoker system and replace it with an oil tank holding roughly 7000 gallons of oil to fire the big boy with. It will not be fired with coal as it would have a tendency to start line side fires. One of the big advantages of oil firing is in a pinch they just pull up to a diesel fuel rack and fill her up, just like a diesel locomotive. The cast engines frames are poured from a very high quality steel not cast iron. I'd be willing to bet the first real job the big boy has pulling freight will probably be at the request of one of their largest customers that send double stack trains over the mainline. Thank you for this update. When they start to fill the boiler then fire up the shop steam generator to supply steam to the boiler as the boiler from ice cold to hot with 300 pounds of steam on her the boiler will expand in length a couple of inches. That takes time to do and will take probably around 48 hours as it takes a long time to bring 7000 plus gallons of ice water to a boil. Once the boiler is warm to the touch then and only then using a steel rod to hold a rag soaked in diesel fuel which will be lighted inside the cab and you normally use compressed air to provide atomization of the fuel as it is fed into the oil burner nozzles along with the oil to light off the burner in the firebox. Once steam reaches 20-30 pounds per square inch then the burner starts using steam instead of compressed air and then is truly raising steam on its own. In my life I fired several different types of steam locomotives from 2 foot gauge 0-4-4T forneys and from a 2-6-0, 2-8-0, 4-6-2, 2-8-4 ( Nickel Plate 759 ) to my last steam engine I ran AFT 1 ( ex Reading T-1 4-8-4 ) all coal fired from hand bombers to stoker fired engines. I was 16 when I started working for Edaville firing the ex Sandy River and Rangely Lakes 2 foot trains with two ex Bridgton and Harrison Baldwin built 2-4-4T engines numbers 7and 8. 7 weighed 35 tons and number 8 was the heaviest at 38 tons but 7 was the Caddilac and rode and ran beautifully. I'm 67 and praying I get to see the big boy run with my own eyes.
Thanks for the knowledge James. I service boilers and steamlines where I work. It's very smart for UP to pull along a machine shop and water softener. We treat our boiler water with oxygen scavenger, pH balancer, and Alk boosters. Wonder if they'll do the same or just run soft water. Is any water returned to the holding tank or is it one shot use type of thing? I remember seeing a documentary on the pinnacle of steam engine technology. One of them was the trough track in which a speeding steam locomotive used a retractable chute that would channel water right into the holding tank using the locomotive's speed to force it in. When full, they'd retract and no longer had to stop for water. I know diesel/electrics are more economical but they don't have anything near the HP of these and have zero personality lol. Awesome that UP is using the 844 and 'Big Boy' as actual working locomotives to haul freight and that 'Big Boy' will be used for the heaviest loads that the old gal will pull with ease.
Boyd W i've had one or two almost tragic run-ins with Jackelope's one in a bowling alley long story. They are truly aggressive little demons with fire in their eyes
You make me laugh Dale! Sounds like you where grateful to just have a warm place to stay be it Motel 6 or Motel 1. I have been in the situation and I had to go to 3 hotels to find an opening. Keep it coming! Your Brother Jay
We will be back here again next Sunday this time with a tour of the round house looking at the other three engines here in Cheyenne as well as the diesel locomotives!
Toy Man Television you should be at Tweetsie Railroad come late August for there 60th season and the 100th anniversary of their #12 engine during railfan weekend where they run both the #190 and #12 engine all at once!
Toy Man Television Tweetsie Railroad is in Boone, NC
Toy Man Television Tweetsie Railroad is narrow gauge of course.
Wow, love to do that!! Wish it was a bit closer to home. But still, tempting....
Toy Man Television There website is tweetsie.com
Dale, you will never be boring! Nor are you Karyn. It's really great UP is letting you have such access to their shops and locomotives. This is fun. Thanks.
They are GREAT!! So glad UP is doing this. Ed is nice, and really explains what they are doing. ROCK ON UP!!
Thank you for showing us the progress on the UP Big Boy locomotive. I found this video quite by accident. When I opened UA-cam, this afternoon, this was among the recommended videos. I'm glad I found it, because I had already watched the movie when they were moving it for the re-build.
Wow, nice video. Thanks for the update. We had never heard of Big Boy but flew from the East Coast into Denver then drove north into Cheyenne then drove all the way west to Yellowstone and back. While in Cheyenne we happened to see signs about this 'Big Boy' which we'd never heard of before so stopped to see it. Simply amazing. Can't believe it's actually going to run again. Thanks again!
SOON. Should be ready for May 10 2019. Stay tuned.
Another great production. Just the right amount of detail and historic reference. Well edited and sharp photography. Thanks!
Hello again Dale and Karyn! I'm going back through some of your older videos of the UP 4014 reminiscing of stories past. During my trip down memory lane I got to thinking, how cool would it be if you were to pull clips from all of your Big Boy stories and compiled them into one video reflecting the progress of the mighty 4014? I'll bet that you would receive some fantastic reviews and input from your loyal followers. I know that this could be a daunting task, but how cool would it be to see a progressive clip of the restoration of the Big Boy?
Thanks for screwing around.BB is my fav loco.
Look out Ed!!! That girl at 9:37 had some lovey-dovey eyes for you. Thanks for the great update on the 4014 Dale and Karyn. Cheers, Dan
Danny Holt yeah he's already smitten that's his wife! She's actually the one who shot the video we were looking at. And boy what I like to get a copy of it it's amazing
Thank you for the video. Yall are a great couple looks like yall are having fun. Those steam engine's are a work of art
im so glade there restoring the big boy and leaving no page unturned cheers to all that are making it happen it will even be better today
karl schweizer we all owe a debt of thanks to the union Pacific Railroad! They don't need to run this program but what a wonderful thing that they do
Wow, those Wyoming "Highway closed gates" at the edge of towns really do get used! I have only driven through Wyoming in July or August. Will be great to see the Big Boy running again.
Bruce Collins yes they really close that freeway down! And as the motels fill up and they just close the freeway at the next town down so people quit arriving at the town where they can't stay. When we were driving a crossed we heard on the radio that they were closing the freeway east of Rocksprings we immediately booked a room in Rocksprings. But by the time we got there the freeway behind us had been closed all the way back to Evanston. And they were telling people in Salt Lake to not bother coming that way. Effectively the entire state was closed from one end of the state to the other
Good! Keep it up!
Stunning, just stunning. Thank You for your sacrifice of staying at Hotel 6. It was well worth it. Another peek at 844 was nice, as well. Carry on with this pursuit of Massive Screwing around. Greg and Jeanne.
Jeanne M. Uzar just driving to Robs ranch to play with his 3foot gauge railroad. !!!!!!!
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The Dawn Patrol on the loose. Thanks for the video. Saw NW 611 when they were tearing it down in NC. It is quite a sight.
Yes, Wyoming weather can be a bitch. My wife grew up in Laramie and my first teaching job was in Cheyenne. We net in Laramie. Looks like the opening video was on I- 80. Did you see the tree in the road as you went West?? It is still there as the railroad used to go by on the same route as I-80 does now. Up Sherman Hill to the top and then East. There is a rock that was bu the road bed that had a tree growing out of it and the train crews would throw a bucket of water on it as they went by. Eventually it grew into a pretty good tree and now the park rangers water it so it continues to grow.
Thank God they are restoring that beautiful beast. I have been in the round house many times and can not get enough of it. My wife is in Laramie right now. Had an experience in Heston Indiana at the live steam museum many years ago. They were restoring a Shay and doing a full replacement of the tubes that take the hot gasses from the boiler to the smoke stack. Someone asked me if they had ground the welding around the tubes and the man doing the welding spoke up and said, "If you need to grind welds, they are not right". Turns out he was a welder from the "old school" and had dome welding on nuclear plants for years.
Most people don't know that train wheels have tires on them. It is a nice video seeing them take the old tire off and place the new one on. Do you know why most of the engines that blew up did so coming into a town??? It is sad that the steam engine is not working still. They are so much more powerful that the diesel. There is a story about a challenge of power where they coupled a diesel to a steam engine and the steam engine pulled the diesel backwards and won the contest. The steam engine ran very clean out on the line. The only place they smoked was when they were trying to get the train moving and needed a lot of steam. They regularly ran at a high speed too. Some ran in the 80 MPH area out on the flat track.
David Curtis hello! Yes the northern 844 is capable of 110 miles an hour! They never run it that fast but back in the day they would. These days it's limited to 79 miles an hour, I think they do that to emphasize the fact that we really mean it when we say 79 and we're not just rounding it off to 80 but it is kind of a funny number. Have you ever heard of the book Zen and the Art of motorcycle maintenance? There's a whole thing in there on welding and the difference between a good weld and a bad weld. And this has nothing to do with the actual welds, but the difference between people with a quality attitude and people with a non-quality attitude. Amazing book intended for teachers. There was a move about 20 years ago to bring back the steam locomotive, and they called it the ace 2000. The steam locomotive for the 21st century. If you watch the video on Ralph and Rosies brass engines there's a great shot of Juan. Ralph build a model of it from scratch! It looks like a diesel engine but if you look closely it has drive wheels inside rods and is a classic steam locomotive.
David Curtis we did see the tree! And I said only in Wyoming is a tree so rare that they turn it into a state park and put a fence around it
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David Curtis I can relate...as I am a Wyomingite.. and a Cheyenne native...yes indeed " Live The Legend"
My Brother In Law William "Bill" Riley Sr operated 8444 Steam Locomotive long ago..Bill Riley Sr had a 43 year career as a Union Pacific Rail Road Locomotive Engineer.. sadly Bill left us due to a Massive Stroke,we miss him so very much..
Bill posthumously received The Rare and Prestigious Golden Spike Award and has some of his Safety Awards in The Golden Spike Museum at Bailey Yard , North Platte Nebraska..
There's alot more Railroad stories I could share.. along with other Wyoming History and Trivia!
Thanks for the video.. it's been many years since I have worked inside the UPRR Cheyenne Roundhouse, abating Asbestos from a Steam Locomotive long ago!
Love to see the museum. Didn't know about it.
Thanks again! Amazing the amount of living care being extended to preserve our history.
Tom Klock love to see Union Pacific doing this. They don't need to. They want to.
Toy Man Television thank you for doing this thing about the Big Boy it is my favorite locomotive EVER!!!!!!!!!!😀
P.S I'm 10years old and my social studies project was the Big Boy Locomotive
And the people are GREAT!!!!!
Hello!! Isn't that a great locomotive? Ed, who is head of the UP heritage program really knows his stuff! I called him yesterday and the call kept breaking up. It seems he was inside the fire box of 844 working on something! When they get this amazing loco running, be sure to get out to see it. Something you will remember forever.
Ed showed us the water treatment system they use to "soften" the water they use in the locomotives. When you boil water the water turns into steam but the minerals turn into a white "mud" that settles to the bottom and will soon fill the boiler with this mud. What I didn't know was back in the time of these locomotives, the UP had special treatment facilities all along the railroad to remover minerals from the water used in the locomotives. They also "blow down" all steam locomotives every hour or so when they are running. They open a valve near the bottom of the boiler and this blows a lot of the minerals in the boiler out of the boiler.
Thanks for the update, Ilove hearing about the progress of the Big Boy, hopefully when I retire from CSX I will get the opportunity to see it in motion.
Amazing to even think! SOON!!!
There is complete Big Boy on permanent display at one of Cheyenne's parks, on Lincoln Way East. I'm from Indiana, have been to Cheyenne twice and I LOVE that town.
Wow! Looks like they have a rolling massive water softener to soften all the boiler water! That's awesome! Keeps the boiler from scaling up!
And now we have see the whole system. WOW. Fun times in Cheyenne.
very nice video, well explained thanks for your time sharing such a beautiful machine.
It's so amazing to see how far that tbe restoration of the No. 4014 has come. Here we are 2.5 years later tracking the run of the Big Boy on its excursion throughout the west and south, and going back up through Colorado as of the time of this writing.
Just found this video by chance....Have subscribed.....Enjoyed seeing the Big Boy.....Best wishes from the UK....Steve.-:)
Hello! Welcome! Someday we would love to find our way across the pond to see the great miniature railways there!
Thank you for the welcome. *My friend has a channel on UA-cam ..it is His mission to Film all the Miniature Railways in the UK...You might find it interesting it's called ...wooltman. cheers....Steve.-:)
response tools have been screwed up by YT for a while. Looks like they are working. Mostly. Anyway, WELCOME!!!
Thanks for the video update, I have been looking forward to seeing the 4014 big boy put back together, and running again as well!
Moreover, I like what they have done with the 844, since 2010 was the last time I saw it in my area of Claremore, Oklahoma! It was a treat to see this steam engine up close, since mainly the steam engine I have been around were used on short tracks like in Eureka Springs, Arkansas, or out of service, sitting in a park some place! And if I ever get my photo, and video CD back from my mother, who used it in her class room, I will be able to post videos and photos of my experience with the 844, and hopefully, I will get a chance to do the same with the 4014 as well! Again thanks!
Great film Dude. Makes our engines look very small. David, UK.
The Big Boy is one BIg Boy!!!! Still "on track" for May of 2019!!!!!
Thanks for bringing us along! Thanks to UP Steam also! This is on my TODO list! :)
Fasten your seat belt! More coming! :D
Thanks for the update on the Big Boy. Fascinating machine. I was curious where they are on the project. I always hoped/wished that someday someone would restore on of them to working order. I was pleasantly surprised when I stumbled on a video of them trying to move it from its resting place of 50+ years (I think) in LA. Can't wait to see it in action!
Me too!!! Karyn as well. On "track" for 2019!!!
This is fantastic. Thank you so much for sharing this!
Nice video. I saw your video of chasing the 844 a few days ago and subscribed to your page. My daughter and I were fortunate enough to see the 844 one of the last times it was in Pueblo Colorado about six years ago. It's a pretty neat experience to be up close with that kind of power. I can't wait to see 4014 back on the rails again and I really want to see challenger running again soon. To me, challengers whistle is amazing to listen to.
Jay 844s whistle is much louder than it used to be! I mean a whole lot louder than it used to be, like you're splitting loud! Because they're running at a higher pressure now as the boiler is perfect
That makes sense. The only thing I forgot to mention is that when 844 was in Pueblo, it was using a Big Boy whistle. I'm thinking it was around 2011 when I saw it last. Do you know if the original whistle is back in use?
Great video. I can't wait for Big Boy to run again.
Cool tour, cool seeing Ed Dickens with his cab video images on his iPhone.
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trainroomgary his wife shot most of that! And boy would really love to get copies of that for the show it's amazing footage
I think your videos are great, keep up the good work and keep em coming. Thanks for sharing very interesting.
Mark Bartlett we are in Cheyenne for the next two weeks. We actually found a whole other steam shop there didn't know about that. But they're rebuilding some small locomotives. Right now were in California working on show number 200!
Another great show guys! What a "springtime adventure" in Wonderful Wyoming - - sorry you got stuck for two days. Keep 'em coming!
Larry Grant my only fear was would be snowed in so long with missed the whole thing. As it is we had a grand time in Rocksprings explore in the old fire department and jail
I had family that lived in Wyoming a few years ago... So Evanston was a second home for me for a time. Everyone living there seems to take the closure of the I-80 corridor in stride.. Not that they like it... but that is Wyoming! The truck drivers seem to take things in stride as well.. Part of the job! There is something to be learned here! :D
Feel free to come up to Winnipeg, Canada sometime. We're home to (I'm pretty sure) Canada's oldest operating steam train, the Prairie Dog Central. The train is usually pulled by a former Canadian Pacific 4-4-0 built back in 1882 in Scotland.
Great movie and details of everything :)
Keep up the good work. Enjoyed seeing the Big Boy's progress
Carl Sorensen we love seeing the work on this great engine. They're doing a fabulous job! More interesting with all the really figuring out how to rebuild steam locomotives and re-creating all of the tools necessary to do that.
This is a cute video with your chit chatting along with a great look at what has been done to 4014. I had written letters to U.P. some 7-8 yrs. ago about retrieving and rebuilding a 'Bog Boy' and never got an answer back. Now inn the past 3 years, look at what has happened. I know my letters had nothing to do with it, but I wonder??? I hope I am lucky enough to see it running, at my age. Make more videos like this.Thank you for placing on here!
So many of us (you too!) begged for this, but someone offered to pay for it!! And the answer was still NO!!! Really??? But with the right pressure in the right places, we will soon have a BIG BOY to smash pennies for us!!!
I have a pocket full of pennies!
Make sure they are copper!!!! Zinc sucks...
Only Zinc I use or trust is taken with my other supplements each morning. LOL!
Chooo Chooo Dale & Karyn! Thanks for another fantastic update on the Big Boy locomotive! You have an incredible gift for making even the smallest details so very interesting! I love your informative & fun documentary style, & especially appreciate the excellent background music (no acid rock in the Old West!) BTW - Dale...at what point after meeting Karyn did you decide to pop the question to be Mrs. Toyman?
Contrary to popular opinion, Wyoming does have a summer season! Last year it was 4 whole days...if you blink, you missed it!! Keep up the massive screwing around!
Wyoming is definitely a world of it's own! The channel tells a story.. and everything is all documented right here, from the very beginning, to the present.. So, do watch! ~K.
The day they take 4014 out of the shop on its own power i want to be there. Ever since i saw the pictures and the steamtown big boy watched them in the old railroad videos and heard the long deep whistle when i was young i just wanted to either drive one ride one or just watch it go. Soon i can have my childhood dream come true and i can't wait.
Gunrunner hard to believe it's going to happen in about 2 years. The
Looks like Mr. Denkins has an admirer @ 9:13 onwards - and I don't think she's interested in the iPhone footage either ;D - She's definitely smitten - LOL! Ah, those babe magnet engineers...I'd enjoy a tour of the 844 locomotive as well.
She actually shot the iPhone footage!! It’s her phone!! Ed’s wife!! Great footage!!!!!!!
That was great. Was sad when it ended. Hope you give updates on the progress they make on that engine if you can. You guys need your own TV show. Thanks. :-)
Mike West back there for the next two weeks. Then the 209th Shimek in California. With narrow gauge trains, WWII aircraft and trucks and steam tractors. Wow!!
Can't wait.
Great video! Thanks! You guys are great!
SOON!!! Getting finished.
super video on the progress going on with the big boy. I not a gig fan of the steam engines. but the big boy is just an amazing creature !!!!. thanks for the video and would love to see lots more on her.
I think many people are moved by the Big Boy... There is just something about an engine that size that is unfathomable. I can't wait for the restoration to be complete! Thanks for watching! :D
I have been watching your videos and enjoy them I'm going by Cheyenne and hope I can get in to see big boy love steam engines and the time in our lifes to see this is so so very cool!!
Excellent update . Thank you.
Thanks fir the update, hoping to be coming up from canada when it runs again hopfully for the 150 anaversiry of the UP
Thanks for another awesome video...
Bobby Baldeagle thanks back at you Bobby! We are now off in California working home show number 200 and it's going to be amazing!
Awesome video. Thank you.
Very, very informative. Thank you. Cudos to all restorers.
Rob White we're going to be hanging around there for two more weeks. Found a whole other locomotive shop there and Cheyenne! Didn't see that one coming. Right now were in California working on show number 200! And boy did we see some amazing stuff today
Another fine episode! How many times have you both been to the Cheyenne Roundhouse? Seeing that Big Boy brought tears of joy to my eyes.
Hi. Been there perhaps 4 times. First time I bought a photo. Tuesday show on that photo coming up. 2 big boys including 4014.
Looking forward to it!
Great video!
TAOFLEDERMAUS thanks. More on Sunday!
Please tell me you'll be able to record this thing in 1080p and slowmo!
Thanks for the video... Very nice!
Thanks!!! Share it with .... well everyone!!
You guys should come down to Tennessee to the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum to see Southern Railroad 4501 great episode to become nice to see the old Cheyenne shops
Southern Railroad 630 and 4501 Rock like to. Hard to say what and when. We really just "go with the flow". But keep talking about a trip south at some point.
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Loved your comments on Wyoming weather and it's unintended affects on your place of forced habitation . . . and of course Big Boy
Neil Passage if it hadn't been for anxiety about missing the depot days, the getting snowed in in Rocksprings was actually really fun! Forest us to spend time wandering around in a town that we normally wouldn't wander around in meeting all kinds of great people and seeing all kinds of cool things like the old City Hall and fire department
You guys should come to oregon. The 4449 is going to have an excursion soon, and the ORHF is pretty cool. If you come on a Saturday, there are train rides.
will j been planning on that. I love Portland!!!!! Love 4449.
We do have plans to go there... hopefully soon!
These are probably the most quality videos I've ever found on UA-cam! It's so hard to find content like this that is informational yet fun at the same time! Never have I seen such attention to detail in the editing and the character you guys bring to the video is outstanding! Keep it up!!!
Gee THANKS!!!
Nothing like the vagaries of Wyoming weather! That's an amazing locomotive! :) Jack
Jack R hi jack! Really amazing! We are in California right now and did we see some cool stuff! Wild trucks! Trains! Aircraft.
Just back from California... Wow! What a trip! Nice weather all the way.. Great for a change... Even the traffic was flowing in the right direction! The only problem was the massive slide, which closed the 1 (PCH) at Big Sur.... So there was no driving on that! But unlike Wyoming... California offers a wide variety of roads and freeway systems to move motorists from place to place. We stuck to the 101, and eventually ended up down in LA (Beverly Hills) to visit my daughter! A great time was had by all! We even rode a train! LOL! Thanks for watching!! :D
No engine is better! Just beautiful
IT's jaw dropping. Like 3 feet down jaw dropping. THIS is a true American Treasure.
Nice content! Keep it up!
Mad about old steam locomotives and their restoration - but I'm even more mad about this music soundtrack. It sounds just stupendous with my laptop's Nahimic HD virtual surround system, with position tracking, and my trusty Samson SR-950 professional studio monitors (50mm drivers, 10 Hz - 25 Khz). Just an absolutely stunning listening experience. WHAT is this music soundtrack? Thanks!
Trev0r98 hello. I buy that music from the library called smart sound. It's an amazing library, I've bought hundreds of their pieces, not only do they have great music, but they break the music into measures. Sometimes half measures sometimes full measures sometimes two measures at a time depending on the content. What that means is I can grab individual pieces and rearrange it in any order that I want. Needless to say some of those combinations I don't work at all, but many of them work brilliantly! And this allows me to match the music to what's going on on screen. And make the music the exact length of the section that I'm trying to cover. Moreover much of the music was recorded by instruments. So if I want to remove the drums I can do that if I want to remove the violins I can do that, therefore I can really change the feel of the music and even remix it. Needless to say I screw around with it endlessly trying to get the music to match perfectly. Also it's important to be able to do that fast We are putting up at least one show every week I don't have time to mess around with it for more than a couple of hours per show, and this is possible using this software and music library.
The only two railroads that I know of that used water. Scoops was the New York Central and the Pennsylvania Railroad to eliminate water stops. The Pennsy to my knowledge didn't use the centipede tenders
Ike the Central did.
The NYC J-3 Hudsons used the centipede tenders holding 46 tons of coal as well as the Niagras ( 4-8-4 ) which were rated at 6600 horsepower at 120 mph were only 6 years old when retired and scrapped. Literally the most powerful 4-8-4's, on the planet. All that power built within a 15 foot clearance diagram.
The 844, 4449, 261, 3751, were all built with 16 foot clearances.
With a water scoop meant they only had to stop for coal once from Harmon to Chicago or Saint Louis. They would take on 12,000 to 20,000 gallons of water in one track pan. It was replenished by a nearby water tank through a float arrangement very similar to a toilet tank fill valve with a 6 inch feed line to replenish the track pan in good time for following trains. Remember until the Hudsons came along passenger trains ran a maximum of 12 cars as that's all the Pacifics 4-6-2 could handle without double heading.
After the first Hudsons were in service they could handle 26 cars at 80 mph without double heading.
The UP chose the 4014 for the dry climate it was in, but after tearing the engine down discovered it wasn't in as good a condition as they thought.
In the event they needed a cast frame all is not lost as they still can cast them in the United States,
They are known as shipyards today as there are several shipyards capable of casting large parts.
To " start " a big boy you need at least 72 hours as they fill the boiler with a OK 4225 type railroad boiler commonly used in diesel locomotives for passenger service. By using hot steam to warm up the boiler before lighting her off she warms up slowly to allow her to stretch roughly 2 to 3 inches in boiler length after she's fired up and sitting near 300 pounds of pressure. And a match or 5 minute fusse is used to light off the " wick" that is used to light off the oil burner in the firebox.
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The second video includes a train in February 1929 crossing what is now known as the Smith Bridge crossing the Hudson River, when it comes out of the main structure and in front of it is the SK tower that controls trains off the Hudson division and going straight through a 5 mile climb to the Boston and Albany railroad that I ran trains on back in the 70's. It's still in use today. If it were to be taken out of service all freight and passenger trains would have to go to Albany, NY to reach the Hudson division and the New England division ( Boston and Albany ) SK tower is on the west end of the bridge just over a mile from the bridge controlling trains entering and leaving Selkirk yard and the River division as well as another track that feeds trains into Albany and the Boston and Maine railroad.
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WOW. Ive heard of it, and seen film. I think they did this in Europe as well. When you see how much water is used......
That is so incredible! I was really blown away when you stated that the locomotive frame was one casting. Simply amazing. How often does UP have tours of their steam engine facility? That would have been good info to know. Also....were you able to get into that beautiful station? Would like to see the interior/history of it. Great episode as always. Now my wife and I are talking Cheyenne road trip!
Love your channel guys! Any way to get a TMT shirt?
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thanks to you 2 wonderful folks I live in Michigan and I can't get any info on the progress of her was ,is or in the future to an ( on time delivery )
Robert Swickard so far so good!!
+Toy Man Television thanks, that's good news, we ( my wife, 2 sons ,which the oldest is handicapped loves the steam era locomotives ,he has all the big steam articulates pic all over his bedroom wall ,we will by there in 2019
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In case you were wondering, the two other engines are a 2-10-2 and a 4-8-4. The 2-10-2 is assumed to be in Extremely good condition, and "could take only a couple of weeks to restore" it's so good. The other 4-8-4 is being currently used as a parts source for the 844. One day that other 4-8-4 will be cosmetically restored, but that's not a priority.
Quasimoto7 oddly the 2-10-2 is not a locomotive they plan to restore and in fact they say they are looking for a good home for it. I'd like to see it stay and run again some day.
UPRR 844 stopped here last June on the way to the College World Series in Omaha.Always nice to hear a steam locomotive blowing into town. Summer after next, we hope 4014 will stop in our city for an hour. Something to look forward to.
Lets all HOPE!!!!!!
Until then, I will be content seeing and listening to the many, many UP freights that go through Columbus everyday. One is going through as I type this, and another will follow in a few minutes. We have a lot of traffic through our city 24/7 as this is the transcontinental line. As a matter of fact, Columbus was end of line at one time.
Im glad it got past that.
Toy Man, that was some "Massive Screwing Around!" It's great to see the Big Boy Steam Locomotive, and shops in Cheyenne, WY. Oh, by the way, "two crooks bought a hotel. They were inn-mates." ;-)
JPilot2 we're back there next week to look at the Roundhouse and a bit more screwing around in Cheyenne the week after. We found another locomotive shop there!
Toy Man, awesome! I will look forward to your looking around at the Roundhouse and with a bit more screwing around in Cheyenne, WY. It's a lot of fun... Enjoy! Thank you very much! :-)
Play it at 1.25 or 1.5 speed, they seem to be so young again, awesome vid!
Nice video
Great! Keep it up!
Thanks so much for sharing and making this video.
Thanks for watching, and commenting!
Great video. I loved it.
Thanks!!!!!
I can't think of a locomotive that has ties to my past more than the 4014. I grew up asking the question to my dad and Granpa "why couldn't they run this engine again?" Followed by it would just cost too much! Sadly I accepted this answer, but always wished that it wasn't true! I climbed all over that engine, blew the horn and checked the drivers to see how massive the rods were. She was always my favorite in the LA Fairs exhibit. Even though Grandad had worked on the little Sunkist Packing train that brought citrus to the yards in LA through the towns that were named for what they produced; Orange and Walnut. I grew up in the desert after moving there from West Covina. When I heard the UP had an interest in the 4014 it was met with some concern that they just wanted to out do the 611. I do hope to see her run and enjoy the sights and smells of the 4014 and listen to her take her steps into life. I can't say how excited I am about this!
Not widely known, UP felt this was way to expensive, and never considered it. Until a person offered to pay the bill. At first they still said no, to much work for them even if someone is paying, but then the idea of rolling it out for 2019 came up. And they went forward. No idea who the "angel" is on the project, we may never know if he or she does not want to come forward. Also on number given but must be in deep 7 figures.
Toy Man Television I know that I am not alone in wanting to see this massive engine rolling again, and no I didn't know about the contribution from the individual. WOW is all I can say! I had heard that it's going to be oil fired I think like recycled oil from restaurants for instance, but I'm not sure how the 844 is fired, I think the Grand Canyon railway was running on that. If they run this massive engine for PR events will it run out to both coasts?
They had a bad day with 3985 on its first day out. I was there. Started dozens of fires in the dry grass. Almost burned a house. They took it back to Cheyenne and converted to oil. I think regular fuel oil, could be wrong. Anyway, 4014 has its grates removed and being set up for oil. A bit of work to the tender is all that still needed. Oh, and fireman controls.
Bill kriner...... The 4014, like the 844 (and originally. the 4005) will be fired with No.5 oil distillate. The UP first tried it with the 4005 (which was also the only Big Boy ever involved in a wreck [April 27th, 1953] )... however, they were trying to fire that massive firebox (720 sq. ft.) with only a single burner.... resulting in uneven heating and insufficient boiler pressure, so the 4005 was returned to the southern Wyoming soft coal, that the 4000's were designed to burn.
Utilizing "recycled oil from restaurants" for fuel.... would cause more issues than "Carter has little liver pills".
As far as "will it run out to both coasts?"...... No, it will only run on UP mainline where there is sufficiently heavy enough rail weight... but it will run out to Cal. on one of its first excursions as per part of the agreement with the Fairplex Rail Giants Museum people in Pomona, CA.
So many people are going to come from around the World to ride behind 4014. I'll be one. I have said it before, but here goes again: I wish Richard Trevithick could see what became of his invention! Well done UP. Thanks for the vid.
Richard Trevithick needs more attention. Stephens gets all the press. I have a plan... A series of vids called "Everything you want to know about the Steam Locomotive" Building a 1/24 of Trevithick's 1802 locomotive for that. And a Rocket naturally.
Richard T. spent his last couple of years at John Hall's (engineering company) in Dartford, experimenting with 'strong steam' (HP Steam) and some believe he was working on turbines. He'd gone bust in South America and it is said that Robert Stephenson came accross him, recognised him and paid for his passage home to the UK. But he surely could not have guessed at how big and powerful US steam locos would become. I mean.... WOW!
great vid
2:48 I'm sure NS will be glad to trade stunt doubles with you. :)
Yea, OOPS. Mislabeled photo. Should have caught that!!
No worries - you use the best photos you can find to tell the story. It's a good shot.
Rob Crawford it is a great shot!!! But I just saw the tag Cheyenne and believed it. And I know that place!!! It’s like confusing your kids names. Which also happens. Oops. Thanks for the kind words!!!
Im gonna be in Salt Lake City for a day this July, any must-sees as far as railroads are concerned?
Thanks.
I have my hopes up to see the 4014 engine running and be there when they have it
powered up !
Jim Leasure us as well.
Watched your 844 chase and thoroughly enjoyed this coverage of 4014. Question though - is Challenger just sitting there awaiting its turn? Was hoping to see all three of these awesome steam locomotives at the celebration in a couple of years. You're sure having your share of fun and I hope you'll keep sharing this stuff with us.
Ron Hoffstein challengers firebox is in similar condition to 844s, and pretty much need to complete replacement. When I first realized that they were literally going to write the locomotive off as a lost cause but when it turned out that 844 needed the exact same thing no way are they going to write off 844. So the great news is they now know how to completely replace a firebox and have spent hundreds of thousands on the tools necessary to do it. As soon as big boy is up and running challengers going to get a new firebox and be running again. Unfortunately it'll probably be 2025 before he's back out on the high iron
The UP sure has my respect for their efforts in this historic preservation project. My dad was a career UP man, retired Conductor, so I grew up with UP all around me. What's worrisome though is that they have always been a profit making business, aggressively so sometimes, and spending money on a project that isn't showing them an immediate profit just doesn't seem to fit their mold. The great PR they're getting from this effort has got to be colossal though. Something I'm living for is to get back to North Platte and see those three old engines come through, actually pulling an honest load. Donno. 2025 takes me too close to the century mark but it's sure worth trying for. Meanwhile, I'll keep an eye out for your chases.
when is the spike driving ceremony? I would like to be there for that.. Oaks Ames is like my 5th great grandfather so it would be really neat to be there.
Troy Bush looking to have the tests in 2018. Then the first trip May 10 2019 for the 159th anniversary on the golden spike. But may not be possible. But looking good for that so far.
Troy Bush the first trip will be Cheyenne to Ogden and salt lake. Perhaps some special trips in Utah. Then????
Toy Man Television yes i would love to be there to see a part of history and my family!
I sincerely hope that once this beast is completely restored someone (either NatGeo or History) does a documentary on her...wish they'd send her on a cross-country tour; I'd love to see her come through the Crossroads at Corinth, MS!
Bet se does!! At least across the entire UP. BUt first, Ogden 2019
I have never been to the US I have lived in Sydney since 72 after moving from London.
i think the bigboy in,steam will cause a lot of people like me to come to see it.
I would love to see it against its great great great grandfather, Stephensons Rocket .
Mind you I think you could just about fit the rocket in the firebox of a bigboy.
To hear that eerie whistle on Sherman hill would be something .
steven rowe my late Beloved Brother in Law used to operate UP8444 and many more
@@663rainmaker wow that must have been exciting.
Well in May 2019 we did go to the USA and Canada, Ideas there when it made her first run but sadly we were nowhere near Cheyenne or Ogden.
Oh well I will just have to come back again
Beautiful
The photo at 2:46 appears to be a Norfolk & Western Class A.
Thank you Great vid! I subbed & liked. Next time in Cali check out Inland Empire Rail museum it's got all kinds of street cars& Rail road gear & if you get down there be sure to ride the train at San Diego rail museum it takes you into Mexico to the town of Tecate yes the beer you also get a tour of the Brewery thrown in. And no passport required. Have Fun!
Been wanting to see that place for years. SOON!!!!!
i love the show
You hinted at the stage of restoration for the 2014, but do they have any somewhat realistic expectation of completion date?
(ya know, you were only about two hours from Denver's Union Station and it's incredible restoration. 😋)
William Victor they really are shooting for 2019 to take it to Ogden for the big ceremony there. They're hesitant to say that publicly as people will say they failed if they don't make it. So it's very very unofficial. But that's the goal. And so far right on schedule! May 2019
William Victor We are heading back to Denver soon. Still figuring what and when but soon!
With regard to the 79mph speed limit: as I understand it, 79mph is the speed to which the FRA limits trains that do not have cab signal apparatus or are operating in non-cab signal territory.109mph is the maximum speed in cab signal territory except on Amtrak's Northeast Corridor where Amtrak has a special dispensation to go faster.
bartholomew sorrentino I think so. I have clocked the 844 at faster speed but officially it didn't happen.
i hope that the bring the 119 out for the 150th. how cool to chase it from ogden to cheyenne! or the jupiter over donner!!!!!
Adam Pinales I doubt those things will ever leave the monument. But they'll have them nicely dressed up for the event and perhaps new paint matching the new color theories
Toy Man Television I agree but I also didn't take a big boy whatever be restored
I wonder if there has been any knowledge lost on how to truly run these behemoths. The engineers are probably all gone from that era who probably knew all the tricks and insider knowledge that a manual simply cannot explain. I'm glad UP is doing such a great job keeping our past alive. I'm old enough to remember waving at the caboose at the end of the now extinct Soo Line that used to run through my small hometown.
There are probably only about 500 people who know how to run a steam locomotive well. Of them, only about 20 would be the slightest bit comfortable pulling back the throttle on this giant. Ed is one of them, and as I see it, the best choice for the job. That's not an accident. Ed has been moving in this direction his whole life, and UP noticed that many years ago. And so at one point handed control of this program over to him. I have great respect for the UP. This is one reason why.
Sounds like UP is doing business with common sense. It's there in abundance but rarely used by corporate giants. I'm likewise very impressed with UP.
Now that the SP and the UP are combined, I'd like to see them build a new Cab Forward from scratch. With UP/SP resources and expertise, 3-D modeling, etc. they could easily do it using the one remaining Cab Forward for patterns, etc. Nonetheless, Great report!
It would be great to see your cab forward running again! The only survivor is in Sacramento, and I doubt anyone will ever get that running again, but never say never! Wouldn’t it be amazing to see that thing up on Donner Summit!
Yeah. Trust me, if I had that Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos money or even a fraction, they'd be machining and carving the molds for the castings right now...
I can't wait till the Big Boy is steamed up for the first time in years. History made.
Pinchie08 and really not far off fall goes well first steam test will be in 2018 cheat that's next year!
Toy Man Television I'm not counting on it. The Big Boy is a huge steam engine. I predict it might be steamed up in 2019. But if all goes well it might be next year. That would excite me very much. The Strasburg Railroad in Pennsylvania is the only railroad that has a huge parts catalog for steam engines. There rebuilding another one of our Disney World steam engines. There's also still restoring there locomotive #89 for her 15 year FRA inspection.
would love to see how they made that huge casting back in the day.
Really!!! AND flawless. Must have been 10 tons of steel. Or more...
Go to the Smithsonian website and type into the search engine Union Pacific Big Boy.
I really liked your video. Thank you.
Are they making extra spare parts so they could possibly put them on some of the other 'Big Boys' to get them running also?
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Nope, this is the only one they plan on fixing. BUT they are making parts for the 3985 to get that up as soon as the Big Boy is done
They are making extra parts so the are able to keep 4014, 3985 and 844 running for many decades. There are no plans to rebuild any of the surviving big boys other than 4014.
I highly doubt they will rebuild the UP 9000 as its wheelbase is so long it would require a lot of track work so it could run without derailing.
Regarding the big boy tender they will remove the coal stoker system and replace it with an oil tank holding roughly 7000 gallons of oil to fire the big boy with. It will not be fired with coal as it would have a tendency to start line side fires. One of the big advantages of oil firing is in a pinch they just pull up to a diesel fuel rack and fill her up, just like a diesel locomotive.
The cast engines frames are poured from a very high quality steel not cast iron.
I'd be willing to bet the first real job the big boy has pulling freight will probably be at the request of one of their largest customers that send double stack trains over the mainline.
Thank you for this update.
When they start to fill the boiler then fire up the shop steam generator to supply steam to the boiler as the boiler from ice cold to hot with 300 pounds of steam on her the boiler will expand in length a couple of inches. That takes time to do and will take probably around 48 hours as it takes a long time to bring 7000 plus gallons of ice water to a boil. Once the boiler is warm to the touch then and only then using a steel rod to hold a rag soaked in diesel fuel which will be lighted inside the cab and you normally use compressed air to provide atomization of the fuel as it is fed into the oil burner nozzles along with the oil to light off the burner in the firebox. Once steam reaches 20-30 pounds per square inch then the burner starts using steam instead of compressed air and then is truly raising steam on its own. In my life I fired several different types of steam locomotives from 2 foot gauge 0-4-4T forneys and from a 2-6-0, 2-8-0, 4-6-2, 2-8-4 ( Nickel Plate 759 ) to my last steam engine I ran AFT 1 ( ex Reading T-1 4-8-4 ) all coal fired from hand bombers to stoker fired engines.
I was 16 when I started working for Edaville firing the ex Sandy River and Rangely Lakes 2 foot trains with two ex Bridgton and Harrison Baldwin built 2-4-4T engines numbers 7and 8. 7 weighed 35 tons and number 8 was the heaviest at 38 tons but 7 was the Caddilac and rode and ran beautifully.
I'm 67 and praying I get to see the big boy run with my own eyes.
Thanks for the knowledge James. I service boilers and steamlines where I work. It's very smart for UP to pull along a machine shop and water softener. We treat our boiler water with oxygen scavenger, pH balancer, and Alk boosters. Wonder if they'll do the same or just run soft water. Is any water returned to the holding tank or is it one shot use type of thing? I remember seeing a documentary on the pinnacle of steam engine technology. One of them was the trough track in which a speeding steam locomotive used a retractable chute that would channel water right into the holding tank using the locomotive's speed to force it in. When full, they'd retract and no longer had to stop for water. I know diesel/electrics are more economical but they don't have anything near the HP of these and have zero personality lol. Awesome that UP is using the 844 and 'Big Boy' as actual working locomotives to haul freight and that 'Big Boy' will be used for the heaviest loads that the old gal will pull with ease.
Did you see any Jackalope's on this trip? I read they are aggressive at times. My neighbor wants one as a pet.
Boyd W i've had one or two almost tragic run-ins with Jackelope's one in a bowling alley long story. They are truly aggressive little demons with fire in their eyes
great job I am making plans for vacation 2019 Golden Spike ceremony
My gosh im a train lover Big boy is really Big and strong
AWESOME! AWESOME! AWESOME!
Heading back in a few weeks. Loco coming back together. WOW
Is your commentary scripted or is it on the Fly, I still love it either way.🚂🐢🚂🐢🚂🐢.
On the fly. Like our lives. Even the shows... Hay, let's drive up to Idaho today!! And so it goes...
You make me laugh Dale! Sounds like you where grateful to just have a warm place to stay be it Motel 6 or Motel 1. I have been in the situation and I had to go to 3 hotels to find an opening. Keep it coming! Your Brother Jay
HI JAY! Fun trip. The Rock Springs Jail is nice and warm! I used the padded cell. Better toilet.
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