TRICK Oil Companies DON'T Want You To Know!
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- Опубліковано 15 лис 2019
- Oil companies don't want you to know this awesome trick! This is how to select an ATV, dirt bike, or motorcycle oil because it's important to get a wet clutch suitable oil. Don't just use regular automotive motor oil in a vehicle with a wet clutch. This is the cheapest and best oil! OILS BELOW:
Oils For My Trick (JASO MA):
● Shell Rotella T4 2.5 Gal: amzn.to/2COiMUR
● Shell Rotella T6 1 Gal Synthetic: amzn.to/2QjLULM
Official ATV/Motorcycle Oils (10W-40):
● YamaLube: amzn.to/2qWq5an
● Honda Pro GN4: amzn.to/2qSmUk1
● Kawasaki: amzn.to/2Ofat9W
● Mobil 1 Racing 4T: amzn.to/2CTQs3j
● Royal Purple: amzn.to/37cTNIH
● Lucas Motorcycle: amzn.to/35am6Ge
● Maxima: amzn.to/2KqrrRK
● Motul Synthetic: amzn.to/354dOiW
● Castrol Actevo 4T: amzn.to/2QpnT66
Just read the back of whatever jug of oil you want for JASO MA/JASO MA 2! Shell Rotella oil is the most popular oil for this oil hack and it works great. Don't risk your wet clutch slipping and burning up.
***Make sure you check the amount of oil you need. Some of these oils are only available in cases of 1 QT jugs and not 1 Gal jugs.***
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Hey y'all. Links in the description to the BEST 4-Stroke oils! Check them out!
Yes you nailed it. "meets or exceeds API requirements and is rated JASO MA2, the highest wet clutch compatibility rating under the JASO T903:2011 Clutch Friction Test."
I used Rotella for years on my 2001 Yamaha FZ1 but I always noticed my shifting was notchy and neutral was hard to find. These things got worse as the oil got some mileage on it. I tried Mobil 1 4T just to see and the shifting issues immediately went away. But the bike ran a little hotter according to my temp gauge. Switched to Royal Purple Max Cycle and it's awesome. Buttery smooth shifts and runs cooler again. I eventually found out that although Rotella will work, some bikes get shifting issues with it. After my issues, I've heard the same from many other people. Although a lot of riders love Rotella. If it's good for you, great. Shifted like crap on my bike. I'll pay extra for RP now because the bike is a 100 times better with it.
I’ve been using Rotella in all my motorcycles & atvs for over a decade from a Yamaha R1 to small dirt bikes it’s awesome oil! It wasn’t until a few years ago that they finally got Rotella JASO ma approved I was using it before it that approval. It’s the friction modifiers that they use in car oil to improve gas mileage that’s bad for wet clutches.
No more headaches.
Thank you for the info.
I use shell rotella 15w-40 conventional, the video helped me keep my eyes peeled for the future, thanks!
You are welcome! It's a good tip to know for sure.
26 k miles on my 250 just fine
I run this in my Honda CTX1300.
I was using Rotella it before it was JASO MA approved It costs them$$ for the approval. Rotella was approved after years of pressure from the motorcycle community. People realized that it wasn’t an energy conserving oil and wouldn’t make your clutch slip.
Great video!
You know your oils. That's exactly right.
That’s amazing how you found out what an API rating is.
I know right!
If it doesnt say Jaso or ma2 its still ok to use on wet clutch if it doesnt say energy conserving. Energy conserving is an additive for modern cars that will make you're clutch slip. So for example the first 3 or 4 10 40s you looked at would have been ok to use on motorcycle also. But I do believe jaso, ma2 is even better might have additives in there to resist against gear mesh breaking down the oil early. Deisel engines have alot of gears in them so it has additives to protect oil breakdown due to gear mesh so that's perfect for motorcycle engines and transmissions.
I don't know. Is is still okay to use? I prefer to use oil that has the right specs. I have read horror stories where guys have burned up their wet clutches using the wrong oil.
My shifting on my Yamaha water-cooled V-4 common sump engine/trans would degrade after a short time when using Rotella 5W-40 or 15W-40. I now use only motorcycle oils. They're not hard to find. Price is really not a big issue for me. The best motorcycle oils I have used in my Yamaha are full synthetic: Amsoil 10W-40, then Mobil 1 10W-40 and Supertech 10W-40. The last 2 are at nearly every Walmart. The Amsoil held up the best for a lot of miles between oil changes. I would not hesitate to use the Supertech. Best full syn sleeper oil out there for lowest cost!
Yea, those motorcycle oils can be hard to find sometimes, and when you do find them they are $$$$
Been running rotella t4 in my Honda CBR1100XX for a couple years now and it runs very well on it. at $12.97 a gallon from Walmart, it's probably the best cheapest option for my bike
What's even better for me is I can use the leftovers from my 7.3 powerstroke truck because they take the same exact oil
Yes, it is a very good oil for everything. Dirtbikes to diesels
i always use 40 weight diesel engine oil in my 4 wheeler that has a wet clutch and it works great
I use t6 in all my motorcycles, car, semitruck! The only other oil I use is mobile one syn. In my Mercedes 4matic. T6 is the best engine juice period!
The best for the price!
T5 is better than t6 t6 only flows better in extream cold weather
Look up t4 vs t5 vs t6
T4=Conventional
T5=Semi-Synthetic
T6=Synthetic
I've been running t5 in my 650 KLR and it's fine haven't tried it in my Beta trials bike yet
I always enjoy your videos. I appreciate the wide range of topics and your attention to detail. I'm still using your old tip on hi-flow air fittings and here we have additional useful information that will save valuable time. Very generous of you to share the knowledge.
Thanks man, I really appreciate the support! Yea, the hi-flow air fitting video was a great video too. Really, nobody knows this stuff.
Thank god he said t4 I just bought some because it’s good oil and it’s cheap, I spent 20 bucks on a small bottle of motorex, I’m glad I found this oil
Yea, those ATV or Motorcycle oils are extremely expensive.
Matt's Shop I just looked up good oil to run and your video was the first that popped up, I’m very happy with my purchase thanks to you
As long as it doesn't say resource conserving on the logo it's totally fine for motorcycles!!
YES!
The T4 is not synthetic but has a tough film strength and shifts smoother in straight cut gearboxes like Gold Wings have. It's cheap in bulk so you just change it anytime after 1000mi and keep good clean oil in your bike.
T4 is the cheapest best oil for pretty much everything!
I use shell rimula R5( asia market did not have rottela) in my bike,3years and everything still running fine
Rotella T4 used in my 2008 Yamaha FZ1 over 100,000 miles. Bike runs perfect
10w 40?
I have an 06 fz1
I know that many people run the t4 and t6 without issue. I have run it in two stroke gearbox’s. But manuals normally call for a api rating and a jaso rating. Meaning that they must meet both. Not just one
I do this too in my KDX 200!
Great information. I always follow the recommendations for viscosity however. That’s just me.
Thanks! Fair enough!
I just look to see that it doesn't have the energy conservation verbage and if not I use it in wet clutches. No problems so far.
Yea, look for that too!
I'm glad I check that, I got super tech 10w-40 full synthetic 4-stroke JASO MA2
In my walmart was in the next line not the same from car oil
Thanks for sharing!
Got 2002 kawasaki Vulcan classic 1500
just changed my oil with Rotella T4 tripplle protection Sae 15w40.
Could you please confirm that I made the right choice here in choosing the right oil for my motorcycle,it would really make me feel better since I've been a bit nervous. Thank you very much!!!I appreciate you making this video!!!
I use to use Rotella Triple (also white bottle) oil for my YFZ 450 and KTM 525 Outlaw. Seemed to get the job done, and since the oil was so cheap at the time, I would change it out every 8 to 10 hrs
I HAVE TWO F250 SUPER DUTY'S 5.0 MUSTANG 86 600R NINJA 86 HONDA 200SX 85 KAWASAKI 110 3WHEELER 88 TBIRD 5.O 93 THUNDERBIRD SUPERCOUPE And use rotella t4 15w40 in all of them. Never a problem best oil on the planet.
Good for mowers and pressure washer etc also? I have a few 5 gal pals of 15w40 I got from a friend 9f mine who is a fleet mechanic and he said they put that oil in EVERYTHING there. But can't seem to find anyone who knows about small engines
@@murph2521 Yes its fine to use in small engines. I have used T6 in mowers with no issues.
Rotella T5 is also JASO compliant as it is a blend of T6 and T4 but they just didn't go get it certified
Yea, I read that before. It sounds right, but people like to see the writing on the bottle.
Agreed
That is a campfire tale. T5 because 4 comes before And 6 after does not mean it’s a blend - it’s not. It’s a different additive package. Why in the world with t4 and t6 as good options both with jaso ma/ma2 on the bottle would you think you'd use t5.
@@666dynomax becuz some Victorys don't like full synthetic that's why
What about 2 strokes ? All these oils say 4 stroke, is there a difference?
I have a Yamaha blaster that needs a new clutch and I need to get oil.
2 strokes use 2 stroke oil for the gas. I use this oil in my 2 stroke dirtbike transmission.
I & everybody I know has been doing this since the first 4-wheeler came out!
Smart!
Do diesel motor oils use the same anti-foaming additives as motor cycle oils? Motorcycle engines typically rev much higher than diesels engines.
Good question. I know it works great either way.
today's date is 12/7/2021 and I cant find any Rotella T6 anywhere! from what I am reading online any oil that doesn't have energy conserving on the API stamp on the back of the bottle can be used on a motorcycle. I'll be trying 10W-40 Quaker State or Castrol GTX conventional on my 1000RR tomorrow.
I stocked up on what I needed before all the craziness!!!
I was able to find two jugs of 15W-40 T6
I’ve been using Rotella in all my ATVS for 15 years great oil that’s inexpensive and easy to find.
It sure is!
Wich one do u use? Can u let me kmow please?
I use Rotella T4 or T6
Hi Matt,
Just letting you know that this isn't some sort of trick at all. Companies that don't write down the JASO spec, probably don't have the official approval --> therefore don't write it on them. These (official) specifications costs alot of money and not every engine oil you showed is specifically for ATV's or motorcycles.
Make sure to use high rated oils and leave the "Walmart Brands" because I can guarantee you that they don't have the official JASO spec, and claim to be the same level as.
Greetings from (An oil company in Europe ;) )
I figured that out after I filmed this video. The Rotella T5 doesn't say "JASO-MA" on the bottle, but apparently it meets the spec. People forget, it is expensive for these companies to get these certifications put on their jugs of oil.
Trick or no trick - You are probably right but people don't want to guess on a wet clutch suitable oil
I do have bayou 2003 250cc i want to use rotella diesel.oil wich one ur.guys recomenme ive seeing t4 t5 N t6
T4 if you want it cheap and change it often. T6 if you want synthetic more expensive and change it less.
Castrol does make motorcycle oil for wet clutch
Your video is great. I made a mistake and used a wrong oil. Can i just change the oil for the correct one? Thanks
Excellent information. Thanks!
You're welcome.
Nice tip. Been doing that for over a decade
I use cheap cars oil for my Honda C100 motorcycle for almost 100.000 km. 20w-50 API SL not support JASO MA.
No problem. Now has been over 150.000km. no smoke,wet clutch still ok.
A word of warning about running Rotella T in a high performance modern 4 stroke - These oils were not designed to be shared between the engine and transmission. Oil has a very hard life in a 250f or 450f motor, especially in dusty, wide open desert riding with a lot of shifting. In race conditions, the oil will shear down to a lower viscosity in 1-2 hours of ride time. So your 5w40 rotella becomes 0w25 in racing conditions. Which means lower oil pressure, galling, and potential engine damage. There was a thread on thumpertalk a long time ago (that I can't seem to find now), where a guy with a yz450f did an oil analysis with blackstone labs and did (I think) a couple hour oil change intervals on Rotella Dino and Rotella T6, and both sheared down viscosity, to the point of needing to be changed, in around 2 hours.
Just as a sidenote; I ride a '05 YFZ450, and initially ran Rotella T6 in it. During a weekend trip at Glamis, the 2nd full day there (roughly 3 hours of ridetime at this point), the shifting became notchy, the clutch was starting to slip, and the engine (especially the top end, cams/valves) were very noisy. This might have been a fluke, but the fresh cam chain that I put in before the trip was junk after that weekend. I pulled the cam chain out and it already had binding links, and there was noticeable galling on the cam bearing surfaces and cam journals.
Can you run this stuff in a China pitbike, a xr250, or a 400ex? Sure. No problem. On a 60hp race motor that's supposed to be rebuilt every 25 hours? Not in my opinion.
-Doc
any proof behind this statement. How about as 2t race bikes gear oil?
Yea, I've heard it too. It makes sense. Don't be cheap, use synthetic racing oill in your 2 stroke gearbox.
You can also use Delo oil in wet clutched bikes.
Interesting, never looked into that oil because Rotella is sooo cheap.
My Walmart has both 10w-40 & 20w-50 Super Tech motorcycle
Nice!
How Ironic. I literally just had this conversation yesterday because I was using regular motor oil in my Honda Rebel. Had no idea there was a difference between regular oil and motorcycle oil. Immediately changed it out yesterday. Thank you for confirming all of this. Also, fuck you google for listening to my conversations. Cheers!
use it in your lawn mower too and u can change it more often too because its cheaper
Good idea! I'm about to just buy a 55 gallon drum of this oil.
My 2012 arctic cat wildcat 1000 had a wet clutch and the arctic cat oil oil says wet clutch certified but it doesn't have jaso ma or anything like that on it but I've been looking for a cheaper oil to run. Do you know anything about it saying certified instead of wet clutch safe
Used rotella t4 in my motorcycle only because of wet clutch. Do not use in a regular gas car engine tho unless it has SN or SN plus rating. It will ruin catalytic converters
I had a 2002 Kawasaki 800 Classic for almost 10 years and put about 11,000 miles on it, oil changed every 3,000 miles with regular car oil Castro, Valvoline, Mobil 1, and never had a clutch slip or brown oil or black oil, nothing, oil changes come out redish after 3,000 miles,,,,,, never rode that Kawasaki past 70mph so it may be because it wasn't a high reving bike.😮
can you reply ? my 4 stroke wet clutch uses mineral oil. iam using it barely for 1 day. most people use full synthetic so iam unsure wich engine oil to use for my engine. is this oil suitable? the starter clutch is inside my crankcase as well as the crankshaft. can anybody respond? Also should i use the paper gasket to sandwich both halfs of the crankshaft?
It doesn't matter if it is conventional or full synthetic. This will work or any motorcycle/ATV oil will work for you. Look up the parts diagram and put it back together exactly how it shows. Don't use a gasket unless it says to.
10w-40 vs 15-40 vs 25w-40 or 10w-50 or 15w-50 for my 4 stroke? wich one is the most suitable for my 4 stroke. iam currently using.mineral oil 10w-40. I will try your diesel trick, can you upload another video of this topic?
It depends on what vehicle you are working on and what climate you live in. 10W-40 will work for 99% of applications. This trick is 15W-40 but will work too. You really need to read the manual and see what it says to use.
@@MattsShopok cool
Try Castrol synthetic European.
5:30 the kind of oil they say to run is specified... rotella meets that...
do all these oil weigh the same
There is a couple different oil weights, but the most popular one is 15W-40.
so your trick is to use motorcycle oil in motorcycles? wow thanks for the tip
You bet!
I use klotz techniplate 10w40 in my z1000
That's expensive stuff isn't it?
How would the shell be in a car
Fine
I see Havoline my favorite the high mileage is 4.47? I get it for 4.18
Do high mileage oils even help?
@@MattsShop they do have higher additive content in zinc and calcium help clean engine from deposits and better antiware properties depends on the oil brand I use Havoline cause its good oil and cheap. Far as reconditioning seals it may or may not suppose to help leaks from starting they say lol😄
Ive been using this in my RZR 900XP and seems to work really well...
It works great on ATVs
Define "this", you could be using water for all we know.
How is silent Bob doing jay?
I run ONLY Rotella T6 in my bike, Honda Shadow 1100 ACE with 55,000 miles
Nice! Did you run that oil from when the bike was brand new?
@@MattsShop Actually I switched at 41k when I bought the bike. I know they say don't switch an old engine to synthetic as they'll leak, but not one drop from mine
Hint: It won't say "energy conserving" on the starburst symbol if it"s JASO rated.
Exactly! Good tip.
Valvoline 20-50 jasco ma
Good to know. That's really thick oil though.
It’s all about the big V!
Haha, I don't know if you want to do this trick. Good to know though.
Amsoil atv on raptor 700r se
Amsoil is expensive.
@@MattsShop yea it is but well worth it
Didn’t see what you grabbed 😅
Rotella T4 White bottle 15W-40
A smart man owns a KDX woods bike.
Yea, it's a 1994 it's getting old.
🇲🇾 now i use heavy duty oil in my modenas pulsar ns200 15w40 shell rimula.
Before 15w40 volvoline premium blue
Before 15w40 mobil delvac.
Manufacturing recommend 20w50 motocycle oil.
Search fb hdeo Malaysia.
so get the wal mart motorcycle oil
If it says JASO-MA
If it doesn't have the square jaso/ma symbol, it's not technically endorsed. Has to have square symbol.
The square logo is the official rating and the text on the back of the bottle is the manufacturer's own testing??
@@MattsShop If it doesn't have the square logo on back of container, it's not endorsed , period, end of conversation. But most claim to meet or exceed, take that with a grain of salt.
@@MattsShop Endorsed or not, JASO does no testing. The oil blender must test and submit testing results to JASO, and most of the preliminary results aren't exhausting trial and error--they have a good idea where the friction characteristics will land because it is provisioned information from additive manufacturers to the blenders.
That's what I figured. The manufacturer has to do all of the testing. So what's the deal with the JASO logo. Do you know?
@@doublex632 It seems it would be foolish for a manufacture such as Shell to try to trick people. It’s hard to come back after your name is tarnished. I think I would trust their labeling. Now, if it were Bobs Oil Company I would think twice.
The shell is not jaso approved. If you research the JASO list shell has one oil and it’s not the rotella T line. If it don’t have the jaso square stamp with MA OR MA2 it’s not jaso certified. The company shell claims that on there own by doing there own research. That’s why it don’t have the JASO stamp. It’s written yes but not certified. Just saying. I still use it I’m my 2022 ktm 350.
It's not JASO certified because it costs like $200,000 to put that logo on the bottle lol.
@@MattsShop I’m not sure what it cost to put that little jaso stamp on? It’s just stupid because someone who doesn’t know about oil will be lead to go buy valvoline oil over this or actual good brands. If you run cheap oil in a Ktm 350 will you notice a huge difference in vibration, shifting, sound and clutch drag. The shell rotella is the next best option to the high end oils (motorex, motul, bel ray etc.). I’ve done my own testing between that and motorex and it very close to motorex.
Boom..!! Ya'll
If it says jaso ma2 it is safe to use in a wet clutch application. If it does not it is not safe for wet clutch. What tip all you have to do is read the label. The only point I can see that you made is people don't read labels. Unfortunately some people could read the label and still don't have a clue. Some oem oils that are rated for wet clutch don't say it on the label. Pretty much everything in stores will have proper specs on the label.if you read something on the label and don't know what it means Google it. In most cases the label and info on it costs more than the ingredients in the bottle. There are no tricks most of this info is govt nandated
Well you can ALSO use any oil in a dirtbike as long as it isn’t resource conserving motor oil. I’ve been using 10W-40 car oil in my motorcycles for years and my clutch never slips. Also been using 15W 40 diesel oil, and straight weight 40 oil.
Not only do these oils I mentioned above work fantastic they’re cheap and never ever slip my clutch.
Motorcycle oils are the biggest scam in the world
Exactly. Energy saving=burnt clutch.
3:52 WALMART BRAND SUPERTECH HAS JASO-MA2
4:16 Now the Walmart brand suddenly doesn’t have it
3:52 Was ATV oil look at the top.
@@MattsShop Yes but it’s still Walmart brand.
@@destruxandexploze2552 Walmart branded oils still have different applications. Just because one has it does not mean that all will.
@@jlmcgrot He says Walmart brand, referring to all of them. Supertech. Yet one Supertech did and one didn’t, but he was quick and tried to hide it.
How many oil refineries do you think there really is that make oil maybe two or three how all the shit is probably damn near the same they just don't put the ratings on it
Pretty much...
If an oil says "energy conserving" it cannot be used in a wet clutch.
Good point. I remember reading about that.
started using rotella t6, ruined the bike. bought another bike (exact same model/year), used rotella t6, ruined it too. ... because diesel oil has too many detergents and your rod bearings and cylinder rings dont lubricate and crap out. its not all about wet clutch, ok
It is molly that kills wet clutch. Rotella white bottle has no molly, T4.
The T5 syn. Blend has molly, dont use.
T6 has very little molly.
I am staying with T4.
FYI
yass umm rotella t6.
Good shizz
this isn't a trick man, its right on the bottle, on the back, you flip it over and look at the certs... jaso ma/ma2... its right on there... they're not tricking us.
Sorry my english is pretty limited...
If your motorcycle is High RPM engine(over 10,000 prm，e.g. YAMAHA R1 or HONDA CBR1000RR~~)
I'm not recommended use truck oil for meet JASO MA
because Rotella is recommended for ATV or UTV，the
most engine is not High RPM model...
It's up to you in an engine that spins 10,000 RPM. Remember, JASO MA is only the wet clutch spec. There are probably other specs for engines that spin that fast lol
@@MattsShop JASO MA is NOT only the wet clutch spec
This is JASO T903 test
i.imgur.com/lfElHna.jpg
No, I ment there are more wet clutch specifications. It's not the only one.
It's cheaper too
That's the best part...
Amsoil
Expensive!
Rotella t6 is the stuff. I've been using it in EVERY 4 stroke bike I've had in the last 20 years oh so......do your homework, check it out.
"Nope. Nope Nope' Really? It has to say motorcycle oil and meet the classifications that the manufactures call for. Automotive oil has slippery fuel economy additive packages that will cause wet clutches to slip. This is no oil company secret. Motorcycle oils have additive packages that is specifically formulated for motorcycles/ATV/UtV and their demanding transmissions.
Yes, yes, yes really. This will work I have done it for years. Go read on oil forums for days if you don't believe me. It's a well accepted practice.
@@MattsShop( I didn't mean to be rude) Important to follow the manufactures recommendations on classifications and viscosity. Not what you read on oil forums.
You're good. I do follow recommendations 90% of the time. I just really like this trick.
Wrong! There are many types of MA. My clutch slipped. Diesel engines don’t have wet clutches. Your little dit bike barley put to any hp to torque. Don’t be telling everyone to use it. Want to pay for my new clutch?
Go Google JASO MA or JASO MA2. It literally tells you that it is the Japanese specification for engines that share the gearbox with the rest of the engine. That means it's good for a wet clutch.
I use Rotella T6 in my Victory with 120 tq and no clutch slip
Diesel *tractors* have wet clutches, which is why Rotella is wet-clutch safe.
@mike brink I have T5 in right now to try it out and it "seems" like my bike was quieter with the T6 everything else is the same
@mike brink T5 is a blend of T4 and 6 ... so they didn't spend the money to get it certified