AMD Encoder Optimization Guide - OBS Studio 28
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Here's my guide for optimizing the AMD AMF encoder in OBS Studio 28 for b-frames and (slightly) higher quality!
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MaxNumRefFrames=4 BReferenceEnable=1 MaxConsecutiveBPictures=1 BPicturesPattern=1 HighMotionQualityBoostEnable=1
THANK YOU, still going to watch all the way through, but this is very helpful. :)
Is this worth it? How does it compare to X264 Fast with esposvox secret sauce settings?
hey should i use this i have amd gpu rx580
@@Kings_Move I have an RX570, didnt notice any performance changes with the settings above, however my stream does look slightly better.
@@bp5211 Ok i need it for gameplay soo im asking.
Every little help is a big help thank you for making my stream look better.
You should do a full OBS settings for AMD users
yes
AMD user here, there's enough in this video alone to get you streaming in great quality on Twitch/Kick/UA-cam.
@@scottstamm7022 yeah. but what about games with actual FOLIAGE ???
@@marsbog_tv I have two GPU's and steam setups. If I'm streaming as user A, my gaming PC is fine. If streaming as user B, my server is used.
My desktop uses a 7900XTX, my server uses a Quadro P600. Both show the same issue with regards to foliage. It causes mayhem regardless if you're using NVENC or AMD H264/265 encoding. The ingestation capability of the end source does make a big difference too. Twitch is 6000KBPS and Kick is 8000KBPS, and UA-cam is higher. Not sure of Facebook streaming. You have to optimize your OBS settings to work with their servers on what config gives the best end results.
@@scottstamm7022 hevc265 even at 51.000kbps and stream is a confetti mess the moment i move.
This stuff is coming at just the right time for me and I'm really glad to see it
THANK YOU! I've been trying to figure this out ever since the announcement.
I've come back to these videos numerous time for myself and others. Definity worth the watch!
EposVox, one guy who actually reads and tests the documentation, so you don't have to. I do respect that.
Glad you had a video up for this stuff, not many out there will touch on the AMD side of streaming things & stuff.
Small correction 😅 bReferenceFrames is not required for b-frames to activate. Its function is to tell the encoder that you would like for it to be able to use b-frames as reference frames (not enabled by default, so references would only be I or P frames).
MaxNumRef frames is 4 by default (double checked), so that could be omitted, assuming sufficient profile and level (which should also default to something that allows for up to 4 on 1080p60). The AMF documentation is unreliable to say the least, but that's at least what it *should* be. The AMD encoder doesn't seem to actually use more reference frames than 1, unless b-frames is active (which is a separate thing tho, heh).
EDIT: typo, and confirmed MaxNumRef
thanks for this....
Super helpful tutorial. Thank you.
Dude.... thank you, can't find anything out there to help with setting up OBS for AMD. I'm subbed and heading over to your channel to get more tips and check out your content. Keep going strong. Thanks Bro.
Thank you for the info!
Appreciate the video. My 3080 is down til i get a new water pump...so using an amd card with obs. trying to maximize best i can.
thanks for your precious help.
Nice video! Any hope we get something siilar for QuickSync?
And i hope the HEVC support for QuickSync gets worked into OBS.
nice video, thanks for you Explanation =D
Beta 2 is out as of yesterday where you can select how many Bframes.
thanks for the info brother , im gonna test them out with my RX 6700 XT
Thanks for covering AMD stuff
Thanks again!
thanks for the amazing video I was getting confused by all those text commands now I understand all of this a bit better... one quick question tho... what is this HQCBR that I can't find anything about on youtube??
Thanks, now I just need to fix stutter/judder on my system and yes, that does it at 120hz and 60hz
No , Thank You ! For putting so much hard work 👍
h265 is very good enough in quality in default options and with bitrate over 10000 kbps, it doesn't need b frames. h264 from amd currently with drivers 2023 and obs 29.1 with b frames 1 ; It works well on twitch at 7500-8000 kbps similar in quality to cpu x254 faster or nvidia pascal in maximum quality, I have checked it with a 45-inch smartv screen, I do not see noticeable differences, for a casual streamer this is more than enough, Now if you want to have the top of the market for streaming I would recommend a second computer with a 16-core cpu dedicated only for streaming
Hopefully it comes a Test of the New AMF AMD Encoder in OBS 29 and for AV1 Support of RX7000 and the new improovements for RX6000 with the new Encoder Update.
gotta say, you deserve a lot of plaudits - thanks for all the work you do to save streamers hours of experimentation, etc. Cheers
I was looking for suitable OBS settings for RX 6600, good guide.
Awesome video! I got the notification for this as I was messing with my stream settings. This isn't quite on topic, but what would be the best way to stream and record at the same time? I know NVIDIA users can use NVENC to get both going at little to no performance cost, but running two x264's makes my stream's audio lag a little bit. Do you have a video on this sort of thing?
Use gpu encoding for recording, always. Zero advantage to using cpu, only disadvantage
@@EposVox Thank you! You're a total godsend
I've a 6900xt and when I select AMD HW option, there are artifacts in high motions. I also tried with options MaxNumRefFrames=4 BReferenceEnable=1 MaxConsecutiveBPictures=1 BPicturesPattern=1 HighMotionQualityBoostEnable=1 but nothing changed. cpu x264 is way better than AMD HW.
Hi EposVox! Thanks for the video! It helped me a little bit to improve my recordings - I use an x264 preset to avoid overloading my GPU, but with these little tricks, the quality on my 5600xt seems a little better! By the way I'm experiencing micro stuttering recording high-motion games, mainly Forza and F1 22 - do you have any video/tip about this?
Do you still using AMD HW encoder? Looks better than x264 Veryfast?
@@DonieCrick I have a 5600xt and can't use the new settings in OBS28, so I'm using the following custom settings in x264: colorspace=bt709 color_range=tv qp=16 preset=ultrafast x264-params=fullrange=off:input-csp=nv12:output-csp=nv12:threads=6:tune=fastdecode
CPU usage is minimal and quality is excellent without any micro stutters. I have a 3600x , playing A Plague's Tale Requiem today and Cyberpunk 2077, both bottlenecked by my GPU. Check the quality of my recent videos. UA-cam sucks at compression (vp9) but the upload is still good and the videos has no stutter!
QP16 is overkill but I don't care, as long the capture quality is great!
Eu vi seus vídeos e o fluxo parece excelente qualidade, você poderia compartilhar sua configuração comigo? , só fica bom no youtube, e o twich? , Felicidades
Would you recommend using new AMF encoder over x264 for AMD Streamers ?
I'm currently stuck on 27.xxxx. Just switched color space to sRGB from b.709. Also make sure Color Range is "Full". There's no field for command line switches for GPU Encoding. I don't know if it's because I'm not on 28 or because I'm using it in Manjaro/Linux via FFMPEG VA-API. Output is noticeably better anyway. R9 is fantastic for software encoding via x264. But if you want it doing other things while you game stream, then you'd want hardware encoding anyway.
I really hope AMD comes up with a better encoder for 7000 series of GPUs
Don’t expect it for H264
Yeah, better to hope Twitch finally adds HEVC instead. Or AV1.
use the expensive card for AMD gaming, and expend 50 bucks for a 1050 for work watters and done, you dont have to wait 5 years more for that old h264 encoder thats never happening, plus you get to record on h265 way better.
I mean, you can encode H265 for recording on an AMD card right now just fine without spending any money at all lol
That’s not a selling point of buying a whole second graphics card
@@EposVox yeah I wouldn't expect anything monumental until AMD leverages their acquisition of Xilinx to redesign the encoder from the ground up on at least rdna4 at the soonest.
Does this also apply for the live streaming or just the recording path?
THANK YOU
Hi. Fingers crossed that you see this!
I am currently in the process of setting up a Dual PC set up for streaming. I just ran into a problem where NDI has not updated for the new OBS 28 update but luckily there is a work around and got that figured out. I thought I was ready, till I realized I haven't even touched my OBS Settings so I came here. My gaming PC has a Ryzen 5800x and a 6650XT. My second pc has a Intel i7 6700k and a Radeon RX580 (my old parts)
I understand that GeForce cards for content creators and such had a little more benefit to these type of things. But that's why I am here asking for your help.
What settings should I set for my gaming PC OBS settings vs my stream PC due to having a weaker GPU but semi decent (8GB model + OC)
With the new OBS 28 will I need to use those scripts? Any help would be appreciated!
Yeah been messing with the AMD AMF driver under Linux, but my internet connection is VERY limited upload so only so much I can do unless AV1 becomes standard on hw encoding.
Just a question for the noobs like me: since the OBS 28.1 update now has a "Max B-frames" option, which of the recommended for 6000 series lines do I still put in the AMF options at the bottom? Only the MaxNumRefFrames=4 and HighMotionQualityBoostEnable=1? Thanks in advance!
Thanks for the video! I'm actually trying to up my test recording quality to 120FPS at 1080p w/ a AVerMedia Live Gamer 4k card. Currently on a Quadro P600, but looking at a Radeon Pro W5500 as a upgrade. Would this work?
So, does this mean that low latency encoding is finally possible with a Radeon?
It's two years later and my best option for quality(on youtube) has been the 4k 'hack' that's floating around to force vp9. Otherwise h264 with 2 bframes at like 15k. H265 kinda disappointed me. So I'm trying JUST the bframe arguments since OBS doesn't have a gui option in 265 like they do 264.
Guess I'll find out later on if that's a good combo lol.
With the "max b-frames" setting now enabled in newer versions of OBS, would you say all of this is still necessary?
i need an answer to this @EposVox
hi, is this still the way to go in 2023? struggle with my stream quali on UA-cam@6950XT and cant figure out,how to further improve it
Its mean when i have GPU 580 encoding is still bad?
So does this implementation of the updated AMF encoder make AMD graphics cards more viable for streaming at lower bitrates?
Its cool to see an update but AMD needs to be more aggressive when it comes to competing in software features with Nvidia and now Intel with AV1.
I forgot if I saw the info with Eposvox or somewhere else, but at low bitrates (3500 kbps was the test) AMD actually scores higher now than NVENC.
@@chickenpoodlesoup that's good to hear coz I'm going through the process of trying to get rid of my very hot and low gpu and want to get a Rx 6600 or Rx 6700, depending on how much I will be able to afford
i read on amazon comments that rx6400 has removed av1 encoder feature.
Are the AMD Encoders different on a different tier? An example would be RX 6600 XT and the RX 6950 XT do they perform the same?
Is this still valid I am running a 570 mobo with a 5800x3D with a 6800xt building for my son who twitch streams while playing MW .. what’s recommend setting . Total noob great video very helpful
I found using AMD h264 to always has some encoder lag... But the h265 does not. What's going on?
I've tried many settings to even drop all to lowest setting possible. There was still lag with the encoder.
The interval should be understood so you can get what a i frame, b frame and p frame are. The b and p are the frames between the I frames. I frames are full frames so you have to factor that into the bandwidth twitch allows. B frames in between the I frames look ahead and behind to create the changes happening. When you set 2 I frames, 1 b frame. That's a full frame every 2 seconds and the b frames look ahead and behind a second to create the changes along with the p frames. The b and p frames are smaller than I frames and make up the majority of the stream. P frames are predicted off previous frames only. I've tried 1 I frame and no b frames thinking that would work better but it actually hogs more bandwidth up which creates a blurry stream on twitch. There's other settings not mentioned here that work for the 7900 xt(x) too that make streaming at 1080p almost on par with Nvidias. 2 second I frames with no b frames looks even worse. You can play around on a twitch test account. The settings in this video are booty but it's not just the cvars, you have to think about bandwidth and fitting that ibp hotdog down a pipe.
What about us users having the 7000 series GPUs? Would it be the same settings as the 6000 since no streaming platform is currently using AV1 encoding.
QuickSync optimization video next.
UHD 7** and older.
I wonder if I could use this improvements on Discord streaming.
Thank you!
do ur commands also work for h265 streaming? and if u can make an updated version
You should do an update for 7000 series, I saw another one of your videos but you only mention amd, not like in this video, keep up the good work
Can we update to 28 yet? I still can't update mine
B frames isnt added to UI yet has it? I can't find it. We still do manually?
On OBS 28.1.x there's a dedicated field for Max B-Frames that is setted 0 by default. What value should I set on it? I'm using a RX 6600 with the following options:
MaxNumRefFrames=4 BReferenceEnable=1 BPicturesPattern=1 MaxConsecutiveBPictures=1 HighMotionQualityBoostEnable=1
quoting from obs website- B-Frames and its features currently require RDNA2 (RX 6000 and higher). Seems to currently cause some issues, try 1 or 2.
@@bobalazsgaming I understood the same. 1 B-Frame have performed best in his tests.
@@bobalazsgaming if I have a RX 6700 XT how many B frames set on the field?
@@killah_mx 1
Hey, I'm streaming x264 fast with your secret sauce setting. Should I make the switch over to AMF encode instead? How comparable is the quality? Please help?
For me I have both AMD and Nvidia cards but I still use CPU x264 at veryfast~slow CPU preset with a proper bitrate & optimizations I think it's the best in terms of quality.
“Veryfast~slow preset” …those are on opposite ends of the spectrum of X264 presets lol
@@EposVox What do you mean?
@@fahadal-asmari6893 He is saying that you are using quality/performance presets that are literally opposites of one another. veryfast is just 2 levels under the lowest quality and slow is just under 2 levels of the highest quality (dont know what "placebo" setting does lol). It makes you wonder if it's truly the "best" in terms of quality and optimizations if you have to keep changing the setting, though I do agree that x264 give good quality at cost of performance unless one has a beefy CPU in which case it probably doesn't matter, probably most people will bottleneck via GPU before the CPU anyways but I dont know how many are running 12 core CPU to dedicate several cores to encoding.
It's just funny to point out you use the X264 presets despite having 2 different graphics card which will almost always be preferable to X264 especially now that AMD is catching up (caught up?) on encoder performance and quality.
@@RashawnBlue1 Two different cards I meant in two different machine obviously, Anyways I don't care what people say but to my eyes x264 looks way better than both NVEC & AMD ofc after a lot of testes on both encoders.
@@RashawnBlue1 Also "fast" is more than enough to give you supreme quality no wonder why my viewers keep asking why your stream looks so good!?
THANK GOD BETTER AMD SUPPORT LETS GOOOO
Hey I'm testing v28 and I don't see any option to choose what GPU is used for encoding. There is an option for this? Thanks.
Still when streaming to twitch at 8000 bitrate, the image on movement looks like a total mess...(6800xt).
At 864p with a bitrate of 8000 Kbps I think it looks quite good. Last time I tried the AMD encoder it looked much worse than x264 medium. Now to my eyes I can't tell the difference.
Then now looks like x264 Medium?
is better in 720p 8000 kbps , best quality in games fast movement , 864p is good in static games
I was watching the video, and right now we were at version 30.1.
Is it better to use CBR or HQCBR frequency control? and in addition to that, the same OBS allows you to place the B-frames manually, is it necessary to place the AMF command?
is it workin at recording too?
Same setting to HEVC?
i just wish nvenc was some sort of pluggable standalone encoder chip, similar to those mini pci-e AI accelerators. or maybe, i dont know, amd could make a good encoder. first one is more likely.
Technically it is a pluggable standalone encoder, just comes with a GTX1660 stuck to it
Nvidia will never do that because their encoder is a huge selling point. So if it comes bundled with a full graphics card they can make hundreds of extra dollars
@@Echo51 Wont a lower nvidia gpu work? Like a 1030 to be an encoder?
@@Echo51 GTX 1650. :)
@@jamescampbell6728 exactly
Question is how much fps does it cut when you game
Is there anything that can be done to RX580 encoder for recording x265 only?
After the update i cannot use the amd encoder anymore :( just the software encoder... help
Any chance for RX 7900 guide? No matter what, still getting pixelated motion :/
hey man please answer if you see my comment does 6000 series of amd support av1 hardware wise ? or just software i see good offers on amd but i'm planning to stream so that's holding me back i can wait for the 7000 tho if it will be better in streaming
It supports AV1 *decode*. Intel’s GPUs are the only ones out right now that can *encode* AV1
I can not get OBS 28 to work with my dual RX580 streaming PC. I tried everything including changing some of these settings. If I start a stream I would lose frames due to encoder, and it would start at 2 minutes or up to 15 minutes after the stream. It would jump up to 90% loss. I tried everything and started thinking I had a bad GPU. I finally went back to OBS 27.2.4 and now the encoder works again.
What encoder did you use
these are my Specs
CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X
GPU: AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT
Ram 64 GB
when i stream i use my graphic card encoder but idk what settings are the best. when i stream games that have a lot of motion i get a lot of blurry pixels
i have good upload speed and use 6000 bitrate. idk what to do
this guy said, stream to youtube or smth
stream your cpu.AMD bad for stream.Very bad
series 5000 amd is worse quality stream than series 6000 and 7000 RX AMD :C
how to install h.264 for amd please help me I tried everything, I'm not a conputer nerd, english is my second language, I don't know what to do
I have the lattest obs version and still don t have the same settings as him, someone know why?
There is new beta relased today. You dont have manualy implement bframes
Why do we need to use codes to use this stuff ? why not just another option ?
I have been looking at Ati 6950 xt or 6900 xt as the performance for price is insane but i live stream with a 2070 right now with nvenc new.. do you think the out put for streaming using 6000kbps will be a big difference between say a 3080ti??? Im torn in-between what would you pick EposVox between Ati 6950 xt or 6900 xt or 3080ti streaming single pc is the extra money(almost double for me) really worth it for the difference in quality of the output??
Im in the same situation
I tried it and frankly it was still a blocky mess at 6 mbit twich. Nvenc 1 on my 1070 does it better with a nice smooth image.
And a copy past for people so they don't have to type all that :
MaxNumRefFrames=4 BReferenceEnable=1 BPicturesPattern=1 MaxConsecutiveBPictures=1 HighMotionQualityBoostEnable=1
RateControlMethod=1 Profile=77 ProfileLevel=42 QualityPreset=2 IDRPeriod=120 TargetBitrate=6000000 VBVBufferSize=12000000 MaxNumRefFrames=4 HalfPixel=true QuarterPixel=true MaxOfLTRFrames=0 FillerDataEnable=true EnforceHRD=true DeBlockingFilter=true HighMotionQualityBoostEnable=false EnableVBAQ=false RateControlPreanalysisEnable=true MaxConsecutiveBPictures=0 BPicturesPattern=0 BReferenceEnable=false EnablePreAnalysis=true RateControlSkipFrameEnable=true AdaptiveMiniGOP=false PASceneChangeDetectionEnable=false PAHighMotionQualityBoostMode=1 PATemporalAQMode=1 PAFrameSadEnable=true
This is what I have been using for 1080p60. It looks bad in high motion though, but it still motion scenes it's really good. I drop some frames after starting up, but it seems really smooth after startup.
For nVidia, I'm using slightly modified StreamFX FFMPEG settings from Epos's older video...
Thanks bro! I should use this in Streaming settings too?
Hello, is this working for 7900XTX ? Cause my OBS is crashing each time.
Is, "AMD HW H.265 (HEVC)" better to use?
I used these settings for my RX 6700XT and now, when I stream, it cuts off after a few minutes. The longest I've been able to stream is 15 minutes. Still shows I am streaming on OBS but nothing on Twitch/Kick... Anybody know what could be wrong?
too bad you need to subscribe to browse curiosity's library, but price is definitely very cheap. glad to see you made your way through that pretigious platform.
I got like tearing using this system while twitch streaming in obs 29.1 version
- R7 3700X 6750XT 32GB 3600mhz B550
Any solutions? I ve tried DDU and reinstall. AMD Freesync on-off.Windowed mode doesnot change anything, Fullscreen aswel.When i stop streaming games runs smoothly.
Streaming out settings 6000bitrate, FHD 60fps. Streaming with gpu.
When i was streaming with my old 970 1 month ago, didnt have any of this problem.
Some one help, when i put the configurations video was super laggy, i have a rx 6600 Msi
does this work on rx570?
I'm going to try with these settings now. I'm going to use HighMotionQualityBoostEnable=1 and not EnablePreAnalysis=1.
What does DeBlockingFilter=true do?
deblocking is a technique in the encoder where it tries to make the pixelation less blocky and smoother, but it comes at the cost of the end result looking rather blurry
Does it work with radeon 660m and 680m??
in my personal experience, since some later OBS update PreAnalysis completely fucks over the stream, it becomes laggy and the entire PC becomes almost unusable
tks
BReferenceEnable=True HighMotionQualityBoostEnable=False EnableVBAQ=False EnablePreAnalysis=True RateControlPreanalysisEnable=1 AdaptiveMiniGOP=True RateControlSkipFrameEnable=False PATemporalAQMode=1 PAHighMotionQualityBoostMode=1 PASceneChangeDetectionEnable=False PAFrameSadEnable=True
this fixes most of the quality, along with b-frame 0
how does this look on twitch with a radeon 7000 gpu?
@@rrb876 50/60%
@@rrb876 it's 50%50% because it depends on what you play, but the setting that is most noticeable to gain quality is B-frame 0, you can try to put it on 2, sometimes it was fine for me, but the 0, is the one that prevents the quality from going to hell even without moving.
hey, i used your settings for quite a long time and was really very happy with them, i don't think i could
get more out of them, but now (after the new driver 24.1.1) these settings don't work anymore and it jerks a
lot throughout (not just a little bit, it looks like a slideshow in the recording and also in the game the fps go brutally
into the basement), do you know what the reason is or do you have a new recommendation? (by the way, i use a 7800 xt)
i heard they (AMD) made some changes to the encoder to further improve the quality, maybe some
things are now incompatible with your settings, but what exactly AMD changed i can't figure out.
@@gruuli I can't help, I had to RMA my 7900 because it was a defective red devil, I'm back to the 2080.
hallo what is best b frame for 6700 xt red devil ?
obs 28.0.3 on ubuntu studio. AMD rx 6600 and accelerated drivers. No option in obs for amd HW encoder (but detects the gpu and use it in h264 vaapi) ... How to implement your settings?
There's already an accepted merge request on the GitHub repo for this problem.
Probably coming the next update. Tested it on Manjaro via an AUR package and the AMF encoder works like a charm.
how much performance does streaming with GPU cost? or is it mostly "free" like with NVENC?
It's mostly free
I've been having massive in-game drop frames when streaming. CPU 5900x GPU 7900xt. Any thoughts?
threads=24 should fix this issue on the extra options put that in there if ur streaming cpu that fixed my issues
Handsome, talented, and knowledgeable 😘
wait so for 5700 XT this video is useless?