Intel's WORLD FIRST GPU AV1 encoder was worth the hype | Intel AV1 vs X264 vs NVENC/AMF/QSV
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
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Intel's new Arc Alchemist GPUs ship with the first consumer hardware AV1 encoder. This is HUGE for the progress of higher-quality and lower-bandwidth video streams. Let's talk about why that is and how Intel's AV1 GPU encoder compares to NVENC, QuickSync, VCE/AMF and X264, and we'll throw the CPU encoder SVT-AV1 in the mix!
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AV1 Film Grain Synthesis - norkin.org/research/film_grai...
Twitch's AV1 Roadmap via @streamingmediavideo www.streamingmedia.com/Articl...
Intel SGX DRM deprecation via TechSpot www.techspot.com/news/93006-i...
AOM membership - aomedia.org/membership/members/
Intel's rumored Arc launch dates via VideoCardz videocardz.com/newz/intel-arc...
SVT-AV1 github.com/AOMediaCodec/SVT-AV1
Netflix VMAF github.com/Netflix/vmaf
Nvidia RTX 4000 delays www.techradar.com/news/nvidia...
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00:00 AV1 Hype Train is reaching the station!
01:39 What even is AV1?
03:18 The history of AV1 hardware thus far
06:51 Intel AV1 vs X264 vs NVENC vs AMF vs QuickSync vs SVT-AV1
10:20 Why this matters for YOU
14:36 The future of streaming is BRIGHT
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Glad to see you're noticing the benefits of AV1 already. Thanks for the overview Addie!
Great work on that front intel! if the prices cheap and the drivers fixed I would definitely purchase an intel GPU ♥
I want ARC to succeed. Rooting for you... although at the moment I'm using Radeon.
Intel Graphics
Send Phoronix site your gpus to benchmark
Really hope yall dont give up on ARC!
Can you guys do a video on the challenges of hardware video encoding/decoding and how resolution resolution matters?
Like in one of the LTT videos it didn't worked with their 2:1 aspect ratio videos (and nor did apple silicon)
Don't forget, not all 6000 series have an AV1 decoder. The 6400/6500XT did not get one; H264/5 only.
AV1 is extremely impressive for quality & bitrate. I am buying an Intel Arc GPU just to get hardware accelerated AV1 support. The A380 is like $120, or in laptops, and slaughters AMD/Nvidia and CPU encoding from a high end CPU. Intel hit a home run with their AV1 support.
The new GPUs from AMD and NVidia may also support AV1...
@@ryanw.9828 We know for fact AMD's new GPUs will have AV1 encode based on Linux source code analysis of the upcoming Navi3x GPUs that is already public. nVidia is almost certainly going to follow suite but the evidence isn't as strong.
@@TheXev That, and it is looking less and less as if you will be able to buy a discrete ARC GPU anytime soon, if they don't cancel it altogether
Does Nvidia have av1 encoding on the roadmap at all?
Discrete encoder cards might turn up. Might require ReBAR but you could fit one in a narrower than x16 slot, or even an M.2 slot (x4 should be plenty to look at framebuffer data).
So, it turns out that when the ARC GPU is not crashing or stuttering, you can actually stream AV1 pretty good. Nice!
Nice. A solid efficient open source format to rule them all. Like Flac for audio. Wished there was something like that with stuff like office documents (odf is in a chicken and egg situation).
Heck yeah!
Didn't DOCX get open-sourced, or was the spec just made public and free to use by everyone?
DOCX is basically just Word's memory dump format converted into XML. It's nice that it's an open standard in theory, but in practice there is only software product that can accurately and faithfully implement it: Word.
@@Astfgl which doesn't matter since a staggering 50% of the "Office Cloud World" uses Microsoft 365 (the other 50% are owned by Google) and in "the offline world" its probably still around 70-80%.
In over 20 years of professional IT Support, I can recal a hand full of companies not using Microsoft Office out of literally thousands.
Even most "graphics studios" using only macs in entire companies use Microsoft Office most of the time, simply to be able to Open Documents without the hassle of "they are broken".
It's the defacto industry standard for decades. The sad reality down on earth is: .docx is not the problem, but the users not using Microsoft Office.
Yes there are nice open source alternatives, but they simply can't compare in terms of functionality.
Example: Using a Excel sheet that sources it's data from different data bases, in different cloud locations ,to make a nice overview of statistics fully automated and viewable on a website, done with a couple of clicks on a website (Microsoft calls that Power BI)
Libre Office was yesterday, tomorrow is Microsoft 365 and Google Workspace.
document formats are many and as far I use them correct, the problem is Microsoft
Does this mean it's time to revisit the old "1 GPU for gaming + 1 GPU for encoding" setup question? Awesome video, dude! Thanks for covering this!
Yes and no. I mean if you can get these results on the cheapest ARC Gpu, then its plausible at only $130-150 (the prices of a 'decent' capture card) You can capture all your gameplay with the best encoder out there, or stream without a performance hit in either catgory. 'however' if you don't have the money to spend or if the $150 is the difference between a 3070 or a 3080 then it'd probably be best to go for the 3080 and the NVENC encoder as the 2-5% improvement (Speculating you have a higher bandwith) Isn't justifiable.
If you're on a slow internet or need to save bandwith due to others in the household etc. 3.5mbps on AV1 is the hands down best performer for quality to bitrate.
It really just depends on the use case and if its extra money you have laying around or not.
It also begs the question of getting a Intel CPU for streaming with Quicksync as that's even more of a happy medium.
@@sinswithin I think while that logic may work for the
"I'm building a PC, what should I go with" scenario,
I'm fairly certain Darrien Rushing's scenario is more
"I've already build a beefy rig, possibly even top end (6800-6950xt/3080-3090ti) Don't want to go back and rebuild or swap parts, if I go with dual GPUs could I spend an extra $150 -300, pop a second GPU in my unused PCIe slot and possibly a PSU (if necessary) and benefit from the new encoders?"
@@Justifiers every major device has its own encoder. Intel with quick sync and AV1 now. Nvenc, and AmD has it's own encoders. And while AV1 is the best and others scale downwards. They're all within Margins of eachother. I was more so approaching from a PC building standpoint yes.
I also acknowledged that you could just slot arc into a second slot for the encoder benefits.
@@sinswithin quicksync can do av!? if not, the cpu route is not really an option for low bitrate streaming imho.
@@foxxyboxxy9348An Intel ARC GPU can do Quicksync OR AV1 encoding. A Intel CPU can only do Quicksync.
Omg never clicked so fast on a video! Thank you for the coverage and breakdown!
Great video. This seems very promising and I look forward to seeing how it handles some of the filter experiments I've been doing with retro games. It will be interesting to see how AV1 interprets scanlines and shadow masks in particular, and if when in motion it confuses the shadow mask noise for film grain and tries to re-construct it. Hoping it will see the consistent effect and encode it on a frame-by-frame basis properly instead of reconstructing because I can imagine it may create some wild noise if it tries to, which has been an issue with youtube's re-encoding at 1080p for a long while now, when colors fall in a particular range. (mostly deep reds, purples and greys trip it up.) Thanks for a glimpse into the future here, Stream Sensei!
I was waiting for this video, finally it came out. Thanks
Been waiting for this video for the last few days, love it
All ways love to see the more technical video's, relay clear and well explained deep dive in to the subject.
Thanks for the video.
Awesome video Epos! Just got my hands on an HP Envy with Arc A370M, it is great! Which software did you use to access the AV1 Encoder? Ffmpeg or something a bit less commandliney?
Love these videos and I'm excited to see the progress of AV1. Only question i have is have you thought about making decode/encode performance charts. for people who use these hardware accelerators for things that aren't streaming related and actually encoding speed matters. eg encoding bluerays to h265 or transcoding content from h265 to h264 on plex servers for devices that don't support h264
Yeah I plan on diving into speed too
Subbing for this testing….
Thanks for your comparisons. Exciting stuff. When do you think AV1 hardware encoding will make it to onboard CPU - iGPUs? Basically replacing Quicksync.
Thanks for all this, it's appreciated!
It's ALMOST here! Amazing video as always Addy! Probably one of the most important pieces of information in the video for my colleagues is that this will end up being the GPU for a Stream PC. I'm so excited, hopefully Twitch gets on board fully quickly. They're long overdue for an upgrade anyways. Thanks for the important information!
Nice video buddy a lot of work put into this one so thanks. Exciting times, we massively need Twitch and UA-cam to allow far greater bitrates so we can get better quality obviously AV1 is a step forward. Any idea if next gen GPU's (Nvidia 40x series AMD 70x series) will have an AV1 encoder also?
you did not oversell it! This is truly game-changing. I am so excited for things to come
Been super hyped for AV1 for a good bit, just waiting to see things fall into place.
Dude!! I love the lighting in all your videos. You continue to kick ass and help me be the best streamer I can be.
Just noticed Champions of Norrath in the back, nice. Great video too man. As a pro video editor in the UK, I'm very keen to see how AV1 continues to develop.
Great to see some good news about this GPU. It's been taking a lot of fire from other UA-camrs. I'm hoping Intel hangs in there and sorts out the various issues in a timely manner.
Nice. Thanks for the objective analysis of the arc gpus.
Thank You for reviewing the 380 from an encoding perspective! Just about every other UA-cam channel goes on about game performance. I don’t play games, but I do enjoy exploring and ONLY buy GPUs for their encoder abilities. I genuinely don’t care if the 380 sucks at games as long as its hardware encoding is excellent!
Yeah I hear you. I wish reviewers would run render tests for video editing renders so editors can get better ideas on the gpu performance. Encoding on the gpu is something you can never go back to the cpu with once you become spoilt with 400fps renders.
This reminds me of how almost everyone reviews drones for video, but not photogrammetry and photography, which are probably how drones are more commonly used
good video, have you advice to setup AV1 in recording with geforce experience settings?
GeForce Experience can’t record AV1. It uses H265 for 8K and HDR, H264 for everything else
interesting results with the qsv, is that just with normal cbr or la_cbr.
Super exciting to see Intel shaking up the status quo with moves like this! When Twitch finally rolls out AV1, I might pick up one of these to use as a secondary card.
I've been encoding and editing my videos in 4k in Davinci Resolve. Is there a work flow that makes the process faster because I have an older 1080ti nvenc, sometimes a 4k video takes like 60 minutes to encode to h.265
hey epos!
What's the lowest bitrate you've tried on the intel encoder for AV1? Like local file encoding
Now that we have AV1 support on Plex I'm planning to convert all my media to AV1. I know most devices dont have dont have AV1 decode and I've done my own testing and its fine for me as my Plex server can handle decoding for multiple streams.That being said is it possible to have and use more then one AV1 encoding GPU to transcode faster or will most software only be able to use one card at a time? Would like to repurpose one of my computers to just render everything I have to AV1.
Thanks for the great insight. I’m really excited for when we can start to encode twitch streams in AV1 amazing information you’ve been able to make. Thanks 👍
If you encode with AV1 you suddenly have a huge audience with setups missing hardware AV1 decoding. VP9 at least works with almost everything from at least 6 years ago.
@@fungo6631 That is true. But will mention you already have answered your own issue. Which is the whole reason why companies put the decoders in to tech first and only after start to properly use it which has been happening the past couple of years. There is still many things that VP9 doesn’t get used by some services or another for whatever reason use use VP9 though I can understand your point.
Though even then AV1 will still be a more benefit than VP9 so at that point it’s best just to try and use something that is more newer and more helpful.
Though you may be surprised how many devices already do have AV1 decode support of some kind or another.
To name a few devices which many people already do have Quest , Fire TV stick (Max), Nvidia GPUs so will AMD new ones. Intel cpus built in their chip since the end of last year have it. PS4 pro for Netflix said it’ll work on that.
So already it’s starting to be out in the wild but as I said in the first part that you need the devices to decode before things get shared around in AV1.
@@tech360gamer You answered your own question. Only CPUs from last year have AV1 decoding support. AV1 also doesn't offer much of a boost in quality, but is a lot more resource intensive. Especially when you have most people using older devices without AV1 support.
My I know what apps you use to generate the av1 streams out of Intel ARC cards? It seems that Intel Media SDK still does not support av1 encoding. Thanks!
This is why you are one of my favorite content creators. Your work is amazing!
hello, a question, but do these data also represent the quality that the consumer sees? Or just those who stream and are interested in bringing better quality to the platform?
this is the best review of this product i've seen on youtube.
Nice! I would also be VERY interested in seeing how GPU AV1 encoding compares to CPU HEVC encoding in Handbrake, both for speed and quality depending on setting from RF 18 to RF 22 for 1080p and 4k.
If it's faster and same quality, it'd still be a win for the videos I archive.
Yeah video/archive focused coverage coming soon too :)
@@EposVox Thank you so much!
Been waiting for the NEW video/archive take.
AV1 seems really good, but how fast will the speed be? Will quality over speed be worth it?
We will know when the new one hits our retina :)
@@EposVox can you please share what driver and software settings you used? I can't ever get handbrake nor OBS to recognize the AV1 hardware encoders
Very cool testing, thanks for sharing! I wonder if we'll get to the point of having an igpu, intel dgpu, and an nvidia/amd gpu all in one system 😂
Which CPU was used for the SVT Encoder? When will Twitch and OBS support both: AV1 Hardware- and CPU-Encoding?
saw this as av1 on my phone. superb!
a video i've been waiting for a looong time! on-point info as always.. AV1 output seems really efficient .. lower bitrate for the same effective quality is gonna draw in mass viewership numbers .. we're likely on the cusp of record livestream viewership numbers
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@@EposVox exactly...Nvidia said on their website that they were partnering with twitch to offer 1440p 120fps outputs at the existing bitrate cap with av1 encoding. Do you think it will be a similar scale up in quality like av1 has with 3.5 - 6 Mbps?
I have stupid question.
Is it possible to create hardware VP9 encoder? Like, we have H.264, we have HEVC, now we have AV1, but what about VP9?
hello, a very important question, please help a lot of people, does the Intel arc video card work with a live gamer 4k capture card, will recentral work with it with recording more than 60 frames? because I want to record and stream in obs via av1
If you plan to put those graphs up anywhere could you show SVT-AV1 at preset 10 too, at least since it finally got 1.0 the default preset (in its stand alone encoder and FFMPEG) has been 10.
Other than that it’s amazing to finally see av1 getting so close to wide spread adoption. If discord added support to their CDN servers id be sending all my videos as AV1 over discord
So like can I get a A380 and have it work for recording videos in OBS as a second GPU while using my 3070 for everything else? I'm seeing them start to be listed online for $250-300 now, and if it could save me significant hard drive space for my recordings, it would probably be worth it.
I've been exploring the possibility of using AV1 as an archival codec for UA-cam footage (previously was considering h265 but AV1 offers the same quality at 1/3 less space). In general my footage is 8K/24 but after a project is edited I'd like to transcode all the footage to a lighter codec for long-term archive. Do you think the Arc GPUs have an encoding advantage over Threadripper Pro 5000 cpu encoding? Would it be worth putting one in a rig just for AV1? (obviously gonna wait for RTX 4000 and see if they have AV1 support first)
Hi, can you share how do you perform these benchmarks? I want to do the same, but for H264
I occasionally stream with AMF h264 and seeing QSV AV1 samples at similar to identical bitrate is something that I always dream.
also how does QSV AV1 impact game performance if you don't mind testing? At times AMF isn't tolerable on low end CPU though that's mostly me cranking up quality as much as posible due to how blocky AMF results even for high bitrate local recording
the video i was waiting for :D
Any information on the higher end ARC Cards regarding the encoding capabilities such as higher speed and higher resolution support.
Super enlightening, didn’t understand why av1 was so important before. Thank you! Gonna have to try out the intel 🎉
as a small streamer, this is exciting!
what software supports the hardware AV1 encoder? could not get it to work with handbrake
do these codecs, like Intel AV1 improve the visual quality also in decompression or only in compression?
How do you stream AV1 though? Can you do it through RTMP? Will higher end programs like vMix and Wirecast support this anytime soon?
Love to stream AV1 over SRT to Twitch. 🤷🏻♂️
I think the other issue is that lots of streaming apps use a lot of other Nvidia features and are optimized for Nvidia only.
Can you do something focused on encode times settings? I’m going to be converting my unraid server library to av1 and I’m not a pro at this. Wanting to take everything x264 and convert to AV1 hopefully with no noticeable loss in quality.
Can you use NDI (non-HX) in a 2-PC gaming setup with a dedicated Intel GPU in the Streaming PC to encode with AV-1?
3:28 did youtube limewire your audio?
this guy makes really good videos. AV1 looks amazing
Which GPUs did you use for the encoding, particularly on the Nvidia side of things? The Pascal (GTX 10-series) encoder was noticeably lower quality at the same bitrate than the newer Turing/Ampere encoders. It would be great if you had a list of the various GPUs used for encoding purposes in the video description.
Everything was latest generation for each company, covered in the previous video.
Excuse me, as I understand AV1 affects more on game streamers or on UA-cam content creators too? Is the difference between AV1/NVENC more recognizable only in games? Thank you so much for the answer.
Just the disney lawyer reference alone gets a thumbs up. Thank you I needed a dad laugh.
Awesome content as always! :D
Thanks!
I feel like this video showcased all of the AE stuff you were mentioning on twitter lol
How's the encoding bandwidth?
I'm still using a GTX 1080 for some encoding work because it has 2 NVENC chips that allow for encoding 4 streams of 4K60 in real time (performance preset + using patch to bypass encode limit).
Every other main stream card can only handle 2 streams of 4K, been waiting for something that can do what the GTX 1080 can with higher visual quality.
Yeah awesome times coming if this really will become the NEW standard with AV1. I was missing 120fps 1080p testing in this video. Would love to see those results.
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nice video!
4:33 I recommend leaving UA-cam's AV1 setting on auto, as using the Always prefer AV1 option caused some videos to be missing all quality options above 360p for me.
I like the fact, that you concentrated on more aspects, that make the Intel ARC GPU a competitive product, rather than just switching to Gaming right at the Beginning. I think, this might be the feature, that would've solved many issues regarding Framerate frequency in many Games, that were tested with other reviewers.
can you check the quaility of the Apple VT encoder in Apple Silicon?
Thanks for the video! I stream Halo Infinite on UA-cam, and I'm in the process of building a dedicated streaming PC. I ordered the Acer Predator BiFrost Intel Arc A770 for $479 CAD. Do you think that's a better option than the Nvidia RTX 4070, and what CPU do you recommend? AV1 encoding is my focus for streaming and recording gameplay, and I'm planning on using the Elgato 4K60 Pro MK.2 to capture my Xbox Series X.
Does any1 know if the arc A380 can still be use as a extra gpu/pcie card for the hw av1 encoder if your system dont support ReBAR?
I think in graphs such as 9:04 you should write the generation of the hardware used (intel CPU gen / AMD CPU gen / Nvidia GPU gen), like you do for the graph at 12:39 , otherwise people could believe QSV is better while in reality they have an old intel CPU and using NVENC would be better for them.
What's the best encoder to use on amd 6000 series gpus?
Will AV1 be supported in Plex and Jellyfin? I wonder if handbrake will add an encoder for AV1 too.
There’s an audio glitch around the three minute 30 second mark, not sure what’s going on with that?
Does the intel GPU av1 encoder work in OBS now?
Do you guys think i can have a 2 gpus in one PC? an nvidia card and intel and just use the Intel GPU for av1 encoding forstreaming? When the nvidia gpu just focusing on the game
Do you think one of these ARC GPUs could be used as a dedicated encoder card? Is that kind of functionality basically already available?
You can already do that yeah
This might be solution for irl streaming, because there's always not enough of available bandwidth. Currently it's rather complicated (or expensive), to get usable quality.
Question: The Intel hardware AV1 encoder produces the same video quality at a given bitrate as which AV1 software encoder setting? And what about the same comparison for offline encoding? Basically, what I am asking is "How much CPU" does the hardware AV1 encoder replace.
What about Arc A310? Av1 steel work also good?
Wow, only 18.9k views. WTH. This is top notch work and just assumed it'd be 10 times this # at least. Great job on the work nevertheless.
_NOTE:_ I searched for this video after watching a quick Hot News episode where this video title was shown, so I manually searched for it.
Sounds like they should have linked to it then :/ thanks for stopping by!
@@EposVox IIRC I think it was just a still image that he spoke to. It was only on the screen for a moment, but it definitely caught my eye. The link in the description was to a TomsHardware review, which I'll probably consume later in addition to your fantastic video.
Damn, some actual positive coverage of intel arc gpus! I was bummed out after all the bad news I've seen.
As far as encoding, very promising! And at the rumoured? prices, if it does end up working well enough graphics wise, it could just be seen as a bonus lol.
I bought a Intel 770 just to encode av1. To get a vmaf around 98 I encode at 22q on handbrake and a typical blu is ready in under 10 mins. About 265fps. Blown away by how useful it is for my media server.
Is there a way to encode AV1 videos without this Intel GPU? Like on the CPU?
Is this gpu arc a380 meet minimum setting for elgato 4k60?
How does AV-1 compare in problem samples with lots of moving foliage, like in arma or DayZ?
See a lot of blocking in that with anything h.264 at twitch bitrates.
Not gonna lie. I was about to ask if you had changed your upload format. Watching on 1440p on a native display and I noticed enough of a difference to try to pixel peek to see what was going on. Wow. AV1 is pretty lit.
Building a pc now and want to stream sometimes. I would pick a i5-12500 (UHD770 iGPU) with a AMD RX 6900XT. But I heard the amd encoder is not that good. So it would be better if I pick a 12th gen Intel and stream from iGPU?
Thanks for the neat video! AV1 fans unite!
One downside not gotten into is it is still more expensive to *decode* a typical AV1 video or stream compared to typical H.264 or VP9 videos/streams.
Not a big deal on *most* laptops or desktops, but mobile users are probably going to watch their battery life drain fast and wish their app or browser was streaming with a different codec.
I say this as an AV1 fanboy myself. Would love to see more mobile GPU decoder support. It's also frustratingly hard to google which phones support it, IMO... So I actually don't know if support has improved in the past year or two.
I also don't know if you have tried libaom CPU encoder's "realtime" mode? It is supposedly designed for streaming (particularly videoconferencing) in mind. Might be suitable for a separate streaming box to run? Not sure how much CPU that needs, though... And I rarely hear about the community actually testing the "realtime" mode. Makes me curious, though. So if you'd look into that, and if you think it's relevant for streamers, I'd be interested to see a video with that.
Any idea how HW AV1 compares to x265 slow for storage purposes?
for some reason when i play the video on 4k60 i get a weird audio but where at random times throughout the video(i noticed it more happen during cuts and transitions) the audio will bugout and do a Hicks-Hishts kinda noise
Would you expect these scores to behave approximately the same for 1440p, 4K? Or will you be running more tests
Mostly the same, but I will be doing more coverage
Cool, better quality streams using less bandwidth/storage is a win for everyone! 👍
Do we know when Twitch will start ingesting AV1 encodes? Will streams be converted from AV1 to H264 in transcode? I have so many questions about Twitch's timeline.
Their original timeline estimated end of this year or early next year
Which streaming app is using the latest Quicksync code, to get the best quality from 12th gen?
Tests were done with Handbrake, Resolve, and direct interfacing with the encoder binaries
So the RTX 4090 and 4080s were revealed, but not one mention of the DUAL HARDWARE AV1 encoders! I can't wait to see your review of these GPUs and can only pray that AMD will have AV1 hardware encoder(s) too!
Exciting stuff