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Very similar line to how it's mentioned Hulk is there so Bruce Banner won't kill everyone. Hulk is apparently the buffer against Bruce Banner who is more deadly than Hulk.
A Peter that is *genuinely* angry is literally one of the most terrifying things in Marvel. The dude is basically an apex predator that is constantly holding back the urge to just start *murdering* criminals Hell, even Wolverine respects Spiderman and would be a little scared if he ever went rogue.
the web fluid in the lungs thing sounds even more terrifying for the wolverine as well, seeing as how he'd just have to live with the webs in his lungs
You wanna know the worst part? He actually DID hold back. See, our homeboy can bench press entire tanks, and tons of fun is (besides being about 400, 500 pounds of muscle) completely standard human. If Peter smacked Fisk full tilt, Fisk would be wall paint. He wasn't there to kill him, he was there to kill the thing Fisk ACTUALLY cares about; his reputation and pride. And I think he did it too.
@@epicccc_11 everyone always makes this reference from Superior Spider-Man doing that to Scorpion, but punching someone's jaw off doesn't even seem like the lightest thing Peter can do with his strength
@@Queen_Neo I have read all of his comics. He doesnt kill them, that doesnt mean he’s kind. He hates norman and only keeps him alive because he thinks being alive is a worse fate then death to a pathetic man like him.
To be fair, if Peter wasn't still holding back, Fisk would've had his head pulped on the first strike. That's what people forget about Spider-Man: When you have the strength to lift ten tons, you have the strength to shatter bone. It takes 4,000 newtons of force to break a femur. It takes 10,000,000 to lift ten tons. Sure, his bones may also bre-...oh yeah, they won't because he has super durability at the level that hitting him is like hitting solid concrete.
I always say this when the Captain America vs. Spidey fight comes up. Like, as awesome as Cap is, I don't think he can even punch hard enough to hurt Peter. And Fisk doesn't even have superhuman strength.
@Jäger to be fair, they're starting fresh with all of them. Many comics characters are hella powerful because they've had 20-50 years of writers buffing them.
Wanna know something? Peter wasn't even using all his strength against Fisk despite what it may look like. So Kingpin took a beating from Peter that left him DESTROY and Peter was STILL holding back during it.
This always reminds me of that one time some rogues got scared at a silent Spider-Man (he actually had laryngitis); they were so scared they turned themselves, which is understandable. Without his quips and one-liners, he is actually very scary: a red figure with huge open white eyes that skitters around the walls and ceiling with uncanny speed and strength like a demon-possessed creature, but hey, better than crossing the alley and meeting Daredevil and the Punisher since they operate very close.
That sounds absolutely hilarious yet fitting because yeah Spider-Man could absolutely be utterly terrifying if you think about it. It’s why little glimpses like this where the kind and caring person disappears and all you see is the horrifying possibilities are so good.
I love that Peter is aware that himself and Spider-Man are two different people. Spider-man is that good guy who saves people and is loved by people (usually). So he took off the mask before he got really brutal with his enemy, partially to protect Spider-man from bad fame, but also to take his revenge as Peter Parker, which probably felt more personal considering that he was taking revenge for his family only.
That final humiliation addressing the prison.(Probably some have crossed paths with Spidey themselves) was like. "Dont forget the face that will fuck you up"
Spiderman is the hero, Peter is just a "regular" guy with superpower. If Spiderman comes after you, he will web you up and hand you over to the police. If Peter Parker comes after you, he's gonna beat the crap out of you until he is satisfied.
I love seeing everyone's reactions to when Peter doesn't hold back. You can't beat him. You only get as close as you do because he ALLOWS you to. Because he actually CARES about YOU. If he wanted to, he could snap all of his villains in half like a toothpick. But that moral code you love to harp on is the only reason you're still breathing. And yet they always forget. Just like the village doctor, they take his heart for granted until it's gone.
Exactly. In the insomniac games he has 14 broken bones and still decimates the sinister 6. Mans a menace on a whole other level. Truly a warrior in a garde
Counterpoint: I don't think all his villains forget. I think that those that know him better fully _rely_ on knowing that Peter has a line that he won't cross. In a villain's mind that basically translates to _them_ having the edge because his morality essentially imposes a handicap in their favor.
@@havcola6983 I'd even go as far to say, not all his enemies are "that" weak. @Atiniir Don't get me wrong, I know and understand that Spidey has superhuman strength, literally superhuman. But some of his villains also have superhuman strength, like Lizard, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin and Morbius, and some of them are even stronger than Spidey, like Sandman, Venom and Carnage (and possibly Rhino with his suit?) So saying "all his villains" is a bit farfetched. ;)
@@MikaeruDaiTenshi The thing with Spidey is that he doesn't have just 1 superhuman power, his whole repertoire of power are entirely superhuman, there is no way a villain could beat him in a straight up physical fight ever if he wasn't holding back, he has superhuman strength, his spidey sense let's him dodge enemy attacks with superhuman accuracy, he can physically become attached to any surface and could in theory rip off your skin with his wall crawling abilities, his webs can hold you down in place, he is superhumanly tough. He is a physical beast that none of his villains can ever hope to match, while some of them also have superhuman powers they generally are not anywhere near as powerful as what Spidey has, it is not that his villains are weak but rather he is just so incredibly strong, generally the ones that give him more trouble are those with physical abilities and the smarts to match Spidey's own.
This was so well written. Spider-man in this story wasn't edgy, cruel or malicious. He was just rightfully pissed off. He crossed a line, sure, but he didn't cross it completely and still remained Peter Parker, the responsible, moral man.
The only time where he crossed the line is when his family is threaten. Kingpin, Venom and Rhino all learnt this the hard way. Kingpin and Rhino were beaten the crap out of it and Peter killed Eddie when Venom threaten his daughter.
This comic definitely showed something that Peter almost never shows: How hopelessly outmatched regular, non-powered criminals are against him. It isn't even a challenge to him. His strength has been measured between 20 tons to 100 tons. His reflexes, speed, senses, weapons, intelligence, all combined make him almost God level in combat. The only thing Criminals had going for them was Peter's sense of mercy. His humanity. He was just a good person in general who tried to hurt people as little as possible. Kingpin brought this on himself. He hurt one of two people that could make Peter completely let go of his good side.
The Green Goblin murdered Gwen Stacy and then found out what Peter could do in Beast mode. He was a Meta-Human in Peter's category and still barely survived the beating he got. Of course, what happened next he didn't survive...for a while.
It was also confirmed by Doc Oc that Peter was much stronger than he ever lead on when he experienced Spider-Man's capabilities (as Spider-Man himself when he took the mantle) during the "Superior Spider-Man" arc and threw Doc in a rage for a moment knowing that at every encounter he had with him, Spider-Man could have easily defeated him.
Reminds me of Superman's speech to Darkseid about living in a world of cardboard. Always holding back, because even a little extra force risks breaking everything and everyone he touches.
I think the audience wasn't looking in disgust because they realized Kingpin was weak. I think it's because they saw the raw emotion and pain Peter felt and they realized how inhumane Kingpin is.
"Weak", yeah, that human mountain who almost can break Spider-Man's back by simply "hugging" him, lift up a Sentinel and make it fall. I'm sure all those average inmates will have no problem beating Kingpin in a brawl or fist fight. 😂
This is one of the many reasons I love Peter. He can easily decimate anyone he comes across but he always holds back because he’s just such a good person deep down. He’s such a great character because of his morals.
oh he absolutley was. Spiderman has lifted a subway car before! at one point he was the 4th strongest marvel hero, behind characters like The Thing, Thor, and the Hulk. spidey, if he's not holding back, can and will EASILY kill a normal human like fisk.
@@DBfan106 Depends on which fight. He actually physically damaged the hulk back in the day, didn't do anything in the 90's and in modern times annoyed him heavily.
Wow, Spiderman without his mask and costume is actually quite terrifying if you ask me. Like when you consider all his powers and stuff. When his character for the audience is gone, all is left is an animal. An apex predator. At least among humans. Has some pretty strong batman vibes in this comic. The panel when he swings to the hospital with Aunt May without his costume and mask, not holding back his true identity is somehow even more terrifying than not holding back during his rampage against the criminals involved. Like seeing him drop all spiderman gimmicks at once... chills down my spine.
@@DankKrank I would say that he was more Batman in this. Breaking bones and threatening people. I wish that he was this way premaritally or let him be happy and get married with kids.
For those who dont know, Peter was holding back still. Peter has the power to easily kill a person in one punch but he wanted to play with kingpin and just beat him up
That’s what can make Spider-Man so scary, because if he really wanted to, he could punch you into next Tuesday, which also makes a silent Spider-Man one of the most terrifying things in these universes
It’s funny that most of Spider-man’s adversaries have no idea that he never even comes close to using his full strength against them. They don’t realize that he could one-shot most of them, and only doesn’t because he’s worried about hurting them.
The most frightening thing is when the hero stops holding back. And also when Spider man stops talking, making jokes or gimmicks, just business. Like he did with Venom who was threatening to murder his family and even eat his daughter 💀
@@King_Aegon its Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows. Its among the best Spider-Man comics in my opinion. All 4 volumes are amazing, and the comic is really cute, fun and wholesome. Its about Peter and MJ learning how to be a better parent and their daughter Annie learning how to be a superhero.
I love how normally, Spider-Man is shown not to use excessive force when fighting, but his true strength and speed are hinted at and briefly put on display in comics like these. Similarly, When Doc Oct took control over Peters body, he was shocked at how strong and fast Peter was. He immediately realized that Spider-Man had been holding back against criminals. So cool. I don’t read a lot of comics, so lmk if I have some of the details wrong.
What if that man is in a wheelchair and can only move by blowing a pipe? Pretty sure a Marine would be more dangerous. The fact checkers rate this comment as not true.
even more terrifying. Spiderman also has superpowers. batman on the other hand is older, which means he is less naive and has more experience, and ofcourse his money.
I love the last scene because it highlights the flaw in the sort of "Kingpin" or "Littlefinger" type of scheming characters who are indeed powerful because of their network and because of the influence they have other people. Without their cohort it is only their word and promise of violence that keeps them at the top. And in this instance he made the fatal error of relying on his opponents "strong moral character" to give him the upper hand. Because Kingpin has been through this dance before. He believes he can fight Spider-Man. And he believes that there will come a point in the fight where he can either extort him by maybe threatening to expose his secret identity, or threaten Mary-Jane, or Aunt May. Kingpin believes he is five steps ahead of his enemy as usual. But he didn't account for one thing: At this point: Peter doesn't care. Peter is out for blood. No quips, no demeaning, no battle of wits, Peter is there to kill him. And Fisk doesn't even realize that against him he doesn't stand a chance. He doesn't realize that there is literally nothing he can do to stop Peter from killing him. He can threaten him. He can't extort him. He can't distract or persuade him. Suppose that's why they say one of the scariest things in Marvel is when Spidey goes quiet.
Love to see the comics that show just what happens when the heroes don't have a code and just let loose. Cause it is so so easy to just lose it and take out the villains, but the fact that they hold back and go the hard route just gives them that much more respect.
This is a really good story. We always wondered what would happen when our favorite wall crawler finally snapped, and I don't mean him spine. I couldn't pick one panel, but I agree that Peter revealing his face saying "I am" was chilling. And the entirety of the prison scene was very well done. He still held back because he wanted to break Fisk, not kill him at that moment. He made a statement proving he could take down one of the most powerful humans without powers, only his speed and strength. He future-proofed any thugs coming after him, and he'd still kill if his demands weren't met. Scenes like this are my favorite. I am curious how it'd play out if Fisk ordered the whole prison on him, and Peter had to fight a hundred or so goons at once.
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In that mental state, black suit? It would be an unmitigated blood bath. If 100 inmates attack Spidey, he kills (or incapacitates) all 100, easily. Even all at once. Practically speaking no more than 6-8 could hope to reach/hit him at once. That in mind: I don't expect any of them would be fast enough to land (or avoid) a blow, let alone strong enough to hurt him if they did...and they certainly can't withstand his might. He could literally "Saitama" them and kill each with one (head exploding or chest collapsing) punch if he was of the mind to. If he truly and completely gave in to murderous vengeance and fought normal men in that state he would likely be decapitating people, ripping off limbs, beating people with limbs and torsos, etc...not even because he meant to, just because he's that strong and he'd have zero regard for the well being (or life) of the person he's fighting. With no reason to care and nothing holding him back the violence would be brutal.
@@nicholashale6620 He doesn't even need to throw a single punch or kick. His webbing is so stupidly OP. Imagine if you had 2 strings that can reach as far as you'd like, can grab and weld itself to _anything_ , and cannot be torn. Now take those strings and attach them to something like a monstrously heavy safe (like the kind you store money in). Can you imagine how raw kinetic force something like that would produce? He wouldn't just turn those 100 men into hamburger, he could potentially destroy the entire fucking building, provided he has enough space to swing his murder webs.
4:40 It's really inspiring honestly, as dark as the story is, I like that. Peter explains to him that all of his wealth and possessions don't really matter, compared to what Peter himself is on his own. Just kind of a powerful sentiment for anyone who really doesn't have much but themselves at any given moment in life... What you have might be more than enough. To me, the dual character of Spider-Man/ Peter Parker has always been about innocence inevitably lost, and the application of trauma, responsibility, and in many ways just tragedy towards an originally soft-hearted and kind person. There is a kind of slow revelation that, in spite of all of his partners, friends, family, and even rogue's gallery, He's really a lone wolf... The most interesting and powerful element of this is how Spider-Man responds to these difficult losses and challenges in his life... I don't know the context of this issue or storyline, But I really hope this isn't the route he goes down in the end. It's interesting to see him lose control in such a way, but just doesn't ring true to the the fundamental character as a permanent attitude switch Imo. His good heart kind of has to win, or else he's like some mutated Batman/ Deadpool/ punisher/ etc Chimera. Always after being tested, Always after showing his humanity and hubris... But I don't know, aside from middle-aged dark comic relief overweight future Parker, I would like to know where the story goes, And if you find some more meaningful place for his pain and aggression.
Spidey is NOT a lone wolf. He gets to bang hot chicks, has lots of friends, and has powers. Hardly the definition of a loner. Words have meanings, son. No replies will be seen or read.
Something someone pointed out to me in Superhero stories that I found interesting is, on average, the heroes are always stronger. I’m not referring to being morally stronger, even thought that is the case usually, especially in more traditional stories. I speak in terms of pure capabilities. They are always stronger, always faster, always smarter, always more skilled, always the superior force in the conflict on some level, the thing that holds them back, the thing that stops every fight from being a curb stop, or at the very least ending in them maiming someone, is that they are holding back because of their moral codes. They aren’t going for the throat, they aren’t trying to kill or maim, they are trying to end the conflict with the minimal level of violence necessary. On a certain level this is simply the escalation ladder at play, you don’t open with all guns blazing because that encourages people to respond in kind. Even if you don’t care about the people you’re fighting, if you care about everything and everyone around the fight, you shouldn’t encourage that type of response. Which is why I find it really dumb you have villains who try to goad them into going further up the ladder, to be more aggressive, to kill their opponents, either because they think they somehow win by getting heroes to throw away the rule book, or because they someone never realize “this person has kicked my ass a hundred times already even though I’ve been trying to kill them and I am only still alive because they haven’t”. And it always immensely satisfying to see villains like that realize they’ve been poking a bear.
Cuz that's aimed at the reader and some legacy culture of wildly different decades with different "moral priorities". For wolrd building sure, it makes very weird that's why we have to suspend our disbelief. My favourite example of something that must not be question ever in comics is "Why is Earth the center of the Universe". The MCU for example. How many time was the universe or multiverse saved on Earth. Somehow every single villain comes to Earth to conquer the universe. We fucking know it's bullshit, the writers know, but we just don't question it. This can be said of most things in comics which makes it a finnicky argument to make cuz it's easy to use to excuse poor writing or inconsistencies.
The villains aren't dumb, their judgement is just clouded. Human beings are emotional and illogical - any engineer who has watched someone use their equipment can tell you that off the bat.
one of my FAVORITE moments in spiderman history. seriously, when spidey isn't holding back he's 100% TERRIFYING. Don't care if you've got adamantium bones or a magic herb, if spidey wanted heads to roll, they'd roll fast and far with each punch.
Hearing you explaining how it all goes down i get chills as if you were peter park with the rage he had going threw it all as if you where the one to put king pin to the ground. It was a spectacle i thank you for making this comic even better then it already was.
Yeah, but even this i feel in the beating, and stuff how strong spiderman should be to my understanding he could just put his fist literally through Kingpin instantly. So even here hes holding back i feel strenght wise, but he let his emotions to take over
I think Peter drawing a line between the Spiderman persona and himself is a really important idea that needs more exploration. Spiderman is Peter's idealized self: funny, confident, witty, and a complete moral paragon. But Peter is still a person, and is more than entitled to lash out when something genuinely bad happens. Drawing this line between Spiderman and Peter Parker also helps establish a status quo for the criminal world; when Spiderman is on the streets, everyone is aware he's just looking to stop crime. When Peter is on the streets asking questions, then everyone is aware that something happened and Peter has a specific target he's planning on dealing with.
I completely agree. This is a fun angle to follow, and would be rather easy to integrate already. After all, we already have stories of the general populous fearing and outlawing heroes. This kind of development would be a good way to lead into it.
I’d have to slightly disagree but only to a certain extent. The angle the comics went with for decades was that Peter isn’t like a traditional hero in personality or approach. Spider-Man isn’t really a paragon of morality as something that has been shown time and again is that the mask doesn’t change him but it emphasises what’s already there, flaws included. But it’s something he recognises and tries to improve on, as he has sought to kill in anger and hate multiple times but he usually pulls himself back, though this story is one of the few were he doesn’t because he has been pushed too far. Spider-Man isn’t a Superman in terms of moral righteousness, but he is trying his best to reach that.
This is the story line that they should pursue with Andrew Garfield's spiderman. When he said "At some point I got rageful and stopped pulling my punches". A reference to this story. Would be dope.
This might be my favorite Spiderman story, seeing Peter actually wanting to kill is interesting, but him waiting for the right moment is even more terrifying. Because it'll come, just not now. He knows how to get under an opponent's skin and he did that with king pin, I think the prisoners weren't just looking at king pin because he lost, but also because they realized how horrible of a person king pin actually was in that moment, Peter changed but he has been corrupted, he's just pissed off at someone he knows deserves to suffer.
Honestly love this version of Peter. I always knew that if he didn't have the amazing moral compass that was instilled in him by his Aunt and Uncle, he would absolutely kill people and it would be incredibly easy for him. At the end of the day, Spiderman is a human being, and human beings all have a breaking point.
Do you that kingpin can still get up, walk to his cell and sleep it off after peter beat him ? I wouldnt call that anything beyond the usual shit .Disappointing
Crazy thing is he was still holding WAY back. He has to roll with punches, otherwise hitting him is the equivalent of hitting a brick wall. Doc Oc accidently punched Scorpion's jaw off after dealing mind's with Peter. Hell, he once punched Hulk into orbit
@@JustSome1chillin Peter's actually got a whole lot of repressed anger at the world, without Aunt May and Uncle Ben he would have slid into becoming a supervillain on par with Dr Doom...without his spider powers.
I love this moment, but my fav angry Peter moment is when he completely trashes Rhino for kidnapping his daughter Annie. Rhino was willing to give information about the guy who hired him but Peter still beat him down to pulp.
Underrated dark aspect of the character. Even when violence isn’t necessary, sometimes he’ll enact it to send a message or because it’ll make him feel better.
@@kimbelsimpson7535 Technically that was not Peter that was Doc Ock in Peter's body and it was an accident because he never truly understood just how strong peter is or how much he held back.
Stories where the heroes cast down their shackles always fascinate me. Makes you realize how powerful they truly are, and that the only reason they themselves ever get to near death situations, is their own moral code. They would rather die before killing someone, no matter how rotten the villain is. Villains are practically always at their mercy, so you don't wanna know what happens when you make shit personal.
I remember reading this back when it came out and just being so taken aback. It was so completely out of character, but also showed that Peter understood the criminals better than he lets on. It was invigorating to see the hero that cracks jokes and perseveres had that side to him. That capability was always in him, he just never uses it. I’ve always seen Spider-man as what happens when Batman isn’t broken in youth but rather healed after the trauma (and then of course there’s the powers vs. Money). That said, this four issue stint was more like Batman than Spider-Man. It confirmed for me that Peter wasn’t just insanely capable, he is also extremely responsible. The beatdown he gives Fisk is such a shocking moment, where maybe he pulled punches, but he sure keeps moving like he isn’t… and that damn punch across the page!
This whole thing's cathartic as hell. There's something really raw and relieving, seeing what happens when your beloved wisecrack hero is pushed to the limit, and he finally stops holding back, and everyone in his way gets obliterated.
Many people underestimate Spider-Man not knowing how powerful he actually is. Can go against hulk and win, take on many variants of the sinister six, and overall how dangerous he is when serious and not talking. You’d rather see Batman smile than hear Spider-Man stop talking.
He can't really win against Hulk with only his strength. But he CAN fight him to a stand still, if only for a while That is an amazing feat though, as to even get Hulk to notice you hit him you have to punch with the power of a truck anyway.
No way in hell Spidey could take Hulk. Maybe Professor Hulk which is his weakest form I belive. But regular Hulk... no. World Breaker Hulk... fat chance. I am a Spidey fan but even I know he could never take Hulk ever.
for context, the blac suit isn't a symbiote suit, peter made a blac suit a long time ago when he was in despair, he put the suit on that building just in case he'd need it again, that suit represents a side of peter that is angry, merciless and inescapable
Yeah, I realized it wasn't a symbiote when he took off the top half. If it was, then he woupd've just been able to make the mask recede on its own. And he also probably wouldn't have stopped himself. ...And also the symbiote would've either been dead or escaped since it IS a living thing that has to eat. It can't just chill in a bag on a rooftop forever.
one of the big reasons I love Spider-Man/Peter Parker is that he has a perfect balance. he can make good jokes and do crazy tricks like its nothing, but when a line is crossed, he pulls no punches.
People have pointed it out a lot, but Peter GRIPPING Fisk’s skin is super intense. He could’ve just popped in there and lobbed of his head like it was nothing.
Nice vid! One nitpick: "southpaw" does not mean a punch thrown with the left hand. "Southpaw" is a term from boxing - it refers to a fighter who fights in the left-handed stance: right foot and right hand forward. In the southpaw stance, the left hand is the one that delivers power shots and the right hand is used for jabbing and hooks. Sometimes right-handed fighters will fight southpaw, usually for the benefit of being able to throw short right hooks (in the right-handed stance, the right foot and right hand are further back, which means the right hook has to travel further and thus leaves the boxer more exposed).
As much as I find it infuriating the villains always seem to get away with their crimes in Marvel and DC seeing someone like the Kingpin be put in his place is glorious. A rare bright spot
indeed, Spidey doesn't have the resources or reach to change New York, and besides one major trauma in his life, he still has "so much to live for" and can be idealistic. I'm happy he isn't as contradictory or a hypocrite like Batman.
I always liked the Punisher because he finds a permanent solution to crime problems. That solution is always kill them, but they never do the crime again... unless some magic extra life thing is involved. Punisher villians generally get one shot and don't come back or have some lucky thing happen that lets them get away. Batman paralizing or lobotomizing the Joker? Never happens, obvious solution to the serial killer. Superman sits Lex Luthor down for an interview as Clark Kent and simply reveals all his criminal BS in a live interview because no Lex corp. document was safe from Superman. Daredevil wears a body cam with good audio and has who ever monolog their reason for robbing the bank, they will speak in both the first and third person.
meh, a hero is only as good as his villain and if the villain poses no real threat, than the hero just comes across as a bully. Thats why Kiteman is such a joke. You have to make your villains capable of harming either directly or indirectly the hero elsewise the hero has no element of danger or adversity to overcome. Thats why i thought this story was cringebait. A ruthless spiderman is just Jason Todd with super powers. and nothing is as boring as watching a man with all the cards in his favor play without a handicap.
It’d be one thing to be beaten to death while realizing mid fight that you can’t even lay a finger on your opponent, let alone damage him. But to be left with the fear and pain of knowing what he is capable of doing to you, and to know round 2 is coming at any random point in the future must be terrifying.
The best thing about that story is that Peter *WAS* still holding back against Fisk. He could literally have ripped him limb from limb if he really wanted to. To a dude who can bench-press 10 tons, flesh and bone is less effort than tearing wet tissue paper.
This is why criminals are legitimately scared of Spider-Man when he’s quiet, so much so that at one point Mysterio straight up handed himself over to the police because Spider-Man wasn’t talking
It is similar with Deadpool, a sane Deadpool is terrifying. And let's not forget Plasticman, Batman's contingency against him is to freeze him with liquid nitrogen and pray he doesn't break out. (I don't remember the exact words; thou I think the feeling is the same.)
And Peter was still holding back... In the what if story where kingping shot and killed MJ instead, Peter kills him with just one punch (Saitama style) The punch Is so powerful It pierced through Kingping's chest.
In another story where a villain conglemerate kills MJ, Peter takes the entire skin off a guy, flaying him alive before webbing him and throwing him into the bay. Peter fully is capable of violence. He just doesn't want to choose violence.
@@CameraPunk5049 iirc Lizardman... it's from the storyline where Doc Oc puts his own mind in Peter's body... and he doesn't know that Peter has been holding back so much so when Lizzie shows up wanting to fight... "Doc" Parker... *CHOSE VIOLENCE* took ONE punch... and he realized just how much Peter had been holding back when they'd all been fighting him.
I think Spidey would have if Aunt May died on the spot. His usual power level is "just enough to win", in this story its "make them suffer", and with the MJ death one its "ending them and then some".
I love this mentality, "mess with me, i can take it, ill make fun of it, fun of you, heck even fun of me, we can repeat this again and again till you get tired, mess with the ones i love, those who can't fight back or defend themselves...then, you are on a dead sentence and i decide when its the execution", its masterful.
I like to imagine the reason why Peter was so easily able to take off the black suit this time around was because the symbiote either completely supported Peter's quest to avenge his aunt or was just too scared stiff to get in his way
I love these kinda a videos really showing the grit of spiderman with these unique stories which brings them into a more brighter light. Thanks Mullet-Man!
The only time Peter didnt hold back is when he killed Eddie Brock. Eddie and Venom threaten to kill Peter's wife and daughter and Peter just straight up murdered Eddie.
Craziest part is Peter was still holding back. The few comics where he truely stopped caring, he had the strength to punch holes in steel, let alone human beings. I think he would have killed Fisk in one punch to the face if he had wanted to.
Spider-man once beat unconscious Firelord, ex-herald of Galactus, a being on par with Silver Surfer in power. He could easily kill most of the super powered people he fights.
He could certainly punch Fisk's head off with ease if he actually means to, just put into perspective how much he holds back on regular basis. I doubt he actually use even only 10% of his strength here and he was pissed
Just wanted to say thank you for making videos like these . I don’t read comics ( nothing against them tho) but I love watching stuff like this since I do think the marvel and dc universe is so interesting, especially with these kind of “what if?” Scenarios . You make it so easily accessible for people who find this stuff interesting but maybe don’t have to time to read it themselves , so I just wanted to say I really appreciate your content . I hope you see more success in your future .
This is the Spider-man that I have always wanted to see. In this story Peter is showing awesome progression of his character. He is not the high school kid that takes crap off fJameson or the kid who can't pay the rent. He is a grown man that has had enough of the crap and it has all come to this. The problem is as good as this story is we will never see more of it or any growth in Peter. I believe that it's sad that Peter can't be happy or reach another phase of his personality (become Angry).
This story and the way you described every moment of every scene made my toes curl. That’s how intense I felt listening to and watching it. Great work.
Even Tony Stark was really impressed how Peter can catch buses and trains without causing too much structural damage, dude really learnt how to hold back and control his strength. So unless you are another super powered hero or villain his full on punches and kicks should pulverize a regular human being.
i've seen one or two stories where spider-man stops being a wiseass, and in both it's pretty terrifying. the other one it was a sore throat or something, and he was fighting a group of villains. i think it was mysterio that realized spider-man wasn't being funny today, and it scared him so bad he surrendered. but for everyone asking how we know spider-man was still holding back while that beatdown with kingpin, there's a What If about this exact scenario. in it, instead of aunt may being shot, MJ is, and she dies. he doesn't let the crooks off with broken bones, he goes on a killing spree, murdering everyone who had anything to do with it. and when it came to the fight with kingpin, peter puts his fist THROUGH kingpin's chest, mid monologue.
Kingpin doesn’t realize how easily Peter could have killed him. In another comic Spider-Man literally punches his fist completely through kingpin’s chest and out his back, webbing a guy to the wall while holding up kingpin’s lifeless body. That just goes to show you how powerful Spider-Man really is when he stops pulling his punches
But I believe that's the problem with Spider-man. If he just went 100% at criminals (possibly killing some), people like the Kingpin wouldn't come at him looking for problems. Sure some villains would still want smoke but not as many.
@@eugeneflorence4355 exactly. Maybe not even having to kill em. Just beat em within an inch of their lives. Put the fear of god into em. Hell he did that here. Damn near beat kingpin to death and it wasn’t even hard. And people will talk. Word will spread. I really want to read this whole series
@@rain-nin5309 Well my friend I am guessing that I am much older than you. I have collected Spider-man comics for about 30 years. So I guess we could say my knowledge of the character is cumulative. But I assure you Peter Parker has been struggling with his rent, dodging Flash Thompson in High School, and keeping his Identity from his Aunt May for a very long time.
I love the premise of this. _"You know who I am. You know who my loved ones are. So you had better make sure that nothing happens to them, otherwise I'll make sure something happens to you."_
I've struggled to stand up for myself all my life, and I assure you that there are points in your life when you need to make a stand like this to command respect. My Dad is the only one in the world who has threatened someone else to protect me, and I admire that.
Hey man. I really don't read comics or know anything about them and most of the channels that go over them are just being too much. You are really chill and make these stories fun and easy to listen to. Thanks for the content and congrats on 300k
To be fair, it wasn't spiderman who seek vengeance on kingpin, it's Peter parker, the guy who's just trying to fit his life together. Spiderman is the guy that swings in with humor and fun and beats criminals because that's his persona inside the job. outside of the job is just one guy who's trying to take on a entire city full of crimes. Honestly, this is probably some of the most realistic spiderman stories out there, where peter didn't break his moral code, but still beats the shit out of kingpin and if he has to, can definitely kill him if aunt may actually dies. An eye for an eye. This is extremely legit and praises to the writers and Mullet-man for bringing us this piece of good comic.
If this story has taught me one thing, its that EVERYONE even the gentle ones have a breaking point. And when the gentle ones break, it has much greater impact.
"Spiderman won't kill you... Peter Parker will."
This has gotta be one of the most coldest lines EVER in the Spiderverse. PERIOD.
Agreed
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Very similar line to how it's mentioned Hulk is there so Bruce Banner won't kill everyone. Hulk is apparently the buffer against Bruce Banner who is more deadly than Hulk.
Darth vader vibes
"There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man." - Patrick Rothfuss.
A Peter that is *genuinely* angry is literally one of the most terrifying things in Marvel. The dude is basically an apex predator that is constantly holding back the urge to just start *murdering* criminals
Hell, even Wolverine respects Spiderman and would be a little scared if he ever went rogue.
the web fluid in the lungs thing sounds even more terrifying for the wolverine as well, seeing as how he'd just have to live with the webs in his lungs
@@chadgray3976 it dissolves after a while
@@fridgeHDR dude its a web, like a glue, imagine forced to drink gallon of glue without mercy
@@frddyyfezbeer2368 yeah, that would be at least a couple of hours of having no lungs
@@frddyyfezbeer2368 if the glue got solvent that trip gon go crazy
You wanna know the worst part? He actually DID hold back. See, our homeboy can bench press entire tanks, and tons of fun is (besides being about 400, 500 pounds of muscle) completely standard human. If Peter smacked Fisk full tilt, Fisk would be wall paint. He wasn't there to kill him, he was there to kill the thing Fisk ACTUALLY cares about; his reputation and pride. And I think he did it too.
Correct fisk better be lucky
Oh for sure. Pete wanted to kill his ego. He didn't care for actually killing him. In fact he whooped him quite easily.
@@godfrey4461 you seen how he gripped him by skin Peter strong asf
What backs up the fact that he was holding back even more is the fact that when doc oc took over his body, he punched a dudes jaw straight off.
@@epicccc_11 everyone always makes this reference from Superior Spider-Man doing that to Scorpion, but punching someone's jaw off doesn't even seem like the lightest thing Peter can do with his strength
This comic is the definition of "don't take kindness for weakness"
Spidey is not kind to his arch enemies at all lol
@@TheWebbedWonderASM1962 Yes he is or they would be dead or badlyyy injured
@@Queen_Neo I have read all of his comics.
He doesnt kill them, that doesnt mean he’s kind. He hates norman and only keeps him alive because he thinks being alive is a worse fate then death to a pathetic man like him.
don't mistake*
To be fair, if Peter wasn't still holding back, Fisk would've had his head pulped on the first strike. That's what people forget about Spider-Man: When you have the strength to lift ten tons, you have the strength to shatter bone. It takes 4,000 newtons of force to break a femur. It takes 10,000,000 to lift ten tons. Sure, his bones may also bre-...oh yeah, they won't because he has super durability at the level that hitting him is like hitting solid concrete.
I always say this when the Captain America vs. Spidey fight comes up. Like, as awesome as Cap is, I don't think he can even punch hard enough to hurt Peter. And Fisk doesn't even have superhuman strength.
@@NevTheDerangedyeah cap would break his hand if he tried to punch as hard as he could against Peter
@Jäger to be fair, they're starting fresh with all of them. Many comics characters are hella powerful because they've had 20-50 years of writers buffing them.
@@NevTheDeranged true especially in dc
@@NevTheDeranged the only thing cap has is experience, spiderman basically wins every other category
Wanna know something? Peter wasn't even using all his strength against Fisk despite what it may look like. So Kingpin took a beating from Peter that left him DESTROY and Peter was STILL holding back during it.
Where is godzilla? Is he safe? Is he all right?
How do you know that he was still holding back?
@@thattubaguy217 , because kingpin's head is still on his shoulders.
But the only reason why Peter held back, was so he could beat Kingpin longer.
@@thattubaguy217 because when doc ock took over peters body he punched a dudes jaw straight off
@@toasthead Lol That was brutal.
This always reminds me of that one time some rogues got scared at a silent Spider-Man (he actually had laryngitis); they were so scared they turned themselves, which is understandable. Without his quips and one-liners, he is actually very scary: a red figure with huge open white eyes that skitters around the walls and ceiling with uncanny speed and strength like a demon-possessed creature, but hey, better than crossing the alley and meeting Daredevil and the Punisher since they operate very close.
That sounds absolutely hilarious yet fitting because yeah Spider-Man could absolutely be utterly terrifying if you think about it. It’s why little glimpses like this where the kind and caring person disappears and all you see is the horrifying possibilities are so good.
Fear the anger of a patien man
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@@sanddry738 Right the thought of it is making my imagination go crazy
Bro I see that I’d be like look I’m willing to give up the life of crime*says nothing* please don’t kill me?
I love that Peter is aware that himself and Spider-Man are two different people. Spider-man is that good guy who saves people and is loved by people (usually). So he took off the mask before he got really brutal with his enemy, partially to protect Spider-man from bad fame, but also to take his revenge as Peter Parker, which probably felt more personal considering that he was taking revenge for his family only.
That final humiliation addressing the prison.(Probably some have crossed paths with Spidey themselves) was like. "Dont forget the face that will fuck you up"
Spiderman is the hero, Peter is just a "regular" guy with superpower. If Spiderman comes after you, he will web you up and hand you over to the police. If Peter Parker comes after you, he's gonna beat the crap out of you until he is satisfied.
They are not. Peter has stated many times that Spider-Man is who he actually is, Peter said that line because as Spider-Man he is a symbol
Paul is this biggest menacing Spider-Man villain in the history of the comics
*the most menacing
Paul moment
@@HawkBreland certified paul momet
Best comment ever! It killed me lmao
Second only to Joe ofcourse lol
I love seeing everyone's reactions to when Peter doesn't hold back. You can't beat him. You only get as close as you do because he ALLOWS you to. Because he actually CARES about YOU. If he wanted to, he could snap all of his villains in half like a toothpick. But that moral code you love to harp on is the only reason you're still breathing. And yet they always forget. Just like the village doctor, they take his heart for granted until it's gone.
Exactly. In the insomniac games he has 14 broken bones and still decimates the sinister 6. Mans a menace on a whole other level. Truly a warrior in a garde
Counterpoint: I don't think all his villains forget. I think that those that know him better fully _rely_ on knowing that Peter has a line that he won't cross. In a villain's mind that basically translates to _them_ having the edge because his morality essentially imposes a handicap in their favor.
@@havcola6983 I'd even go as far to say, not all his enemies are "that" weak.
@Atiniir Don't get me wrong, I know and understand that Spidey has superhuman strength, literally superhuman. But some of his villains also have superhuman strength, like Lizard, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin and Morbius, and some of them are even stronger than Spidey, like Sandman, Venom and Carnage (and possibly Rhino with his suit?)
So saying "all his villains" is a bit farfetched. ;)
I mean, that's one of the reasons Spider-man has one of the biggest gallery of reoccurring villains while the Punisher has close to none.
@@MikaeruDaiTenshi The thing with Spidey is that he doesn't have just 1 superhuman power, his whole repertoire of power are entirely superhuman, there is no way a villain could beat him in a straight up physical fight ever if he wasn't holding back, he has superhuman strength, his spidey sense let's him dodge enemy attacks with superhuman accuracy, he can physically become attached to any surface and could in theory rip off your skin with his wall crawling abilities, his webs can hold you down in place, he is superhumanly tough.
He is a physical beast that none of his villains can ever hope to match, while some of them also have superhuman powers they generally are not anywhere near as powerful as what Spidey has, it is not that his villains are weak but rather he is just so incredibly strong, generally the ones that give him more trouble are those with physical abilities and the smarts to match Spidey's own.
This was so well written. Spider-man in this story wasn't edgy, cruel or malicious. He was just rightfully pissed off. He crossed a line, sure, but he didn't cross it completely and still remained Peter Parker, the responsible, moral man.
you could say that, if you wanted to be a reductive and/or contrarian douche, but yeah I totally agree with everything you said. very on point.
The only time where he crossed the line is when his family is threaten. Kingpin, Venom and Rhino all learnt this the hard way. Kingpin and Rhino were beaten the crap out of it and Peter killed Eddie when Venom threaten his daughter.
He wasnt cruel? Man i think we watched different videos
@@_Tao__ nah not cruel, he was cool. in fact, he was kool even.
@@HawkBreland my dude, who pissed in your morning cereal?
This comic definitely showed something that Peter almost never shows: How hopelessly outmatched regular, non-powered criminals are against him. It isn't even a challenge to him. His strength has been measured between 20 tons to 100 tons. His reflexes, speed, senses, weapons, intelligence, all combined make him almost God level in combat. The only thing Criminals had going for them was Peter's sense of mercy. His humanity. He was just a good person in general who tried to hurt people as little as possible. Kingpin brought this on himself. He hurt one of two people that could make Peter completely let go of his good side.
Brillaint but lazy :^)
@redline841 I'm something of a Scientist myself.
The Green Goblin murdered Gwen Stacy and then found out what Peter could do in Beast mode. He was a Meta-Human in Peter's category and still barely survived the beating he got. Of course, what happened next he didn't survive...for a while.
It was also confirmed by Doc Oc that Peter was much stronger than he ever lead on when he experienced Spider-Man's capabilities (as Spider-Man himself when he took the mantle) during the "Superior Spider-Man" arc and threw Doc in a rage for a moment knowing that at every encounter he had with him, Spider-Man could have easily defeated him.
Yeah, he punched Scorpion's jaw clean off without even trying
Reminds me of Superman's speech to Darkseid about living in a world of cardboard.
Always holding back, because even a little extra force risks breaking everything and everyone he touches.
That's I feel all the time too. Second I stop holding back, everything falls.
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@@mywifesboyfriend5558 most obvious troll… LOL your username makes this too easy to avoid
So he just playing with his “food” basically
I think the audience wasn't looking in disgust because they realized Kingpin was weak. I think it's because they saw the raw emotion and pain Peter felt and they realized how inhumane Kingpin is.
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"Weak", yeah, that human mountain who almost can break Spider-Man's back by simply "hugging" him, lift up a Sentinel and make it fall. I'm sure all those average inmates will have no problem beating Kingpin in a brawl or fist fight. 😂
They probably just realized Kingpin was like them, not above them. A prisoner who can get beat.
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"Inhumane". It's a prison. Think.
This is one of the many reasons I love Peter. He can easily decimate anyone he comes across but he always holds back because he’s just such a good person deep down. He’s such a great character because of his morals.
Kingpin is a big guy but theoretically a single strong punch from Peter should kill him, so I'm fairly sure he was still holding back.
oh he absolutley was. Spiderman has lifted a subway car before! at one point he was the 4th strongest marvel hero, behind characters like The Thing, Thor, and the Hulk. spidey, if he's not holding back, can and will EASILY kill a normal human like fisk.
Funnily enough, in the “What if?…” for this story, he does EXACTLY what you just said & 1 shots Fisk.
@@DBfan106 Spider-Man hurt hulk lol
@@theauthor6669 I don't think he did actually, I think he minorly annoyed him, which itself is a feat.
@@DBfan106 Depends on which fight. He actually physically damaged the hulk back in the day, didn't do anything in the 90's and in modern times annoyed him heavily.
Wow, Spiderman without his mask and costume is actually quite terrifying if you ask me. Like when you consider all his powers and stuff. When his character for the audience is gone, all is left is an animal. An apex predator. At least among humans. Has some pretty strong batman vibes in this comic.
The panel when he swings to the hospital with Aunt May without his costume and mask, not holding back his true identity is somehow even more terrifying than not holding back during his rampage against the criminals involved.
Like seeing him drop all spiderman gimmicks at once... chills down my spine.
Spider-man in general is pretty scary, Peter Parker is the only limiter to prevent Spider-man from turning into one of the strongest villain/anti-hero
Spider-Man without his powers is essentially a far less durable average god, but his spider sense amps him heavily
It gave me wolverine vibes when he was costumeless
@@DankKrank I would say that he was more Batman in this. Breaking bones and threatening people. I wish that he was this way premaritally or let him be happy and get married with kids.
@@eugeneflorence4355 good point
For those who dont know, Peter was holding back still. Peter has the power to easily kill a person in one punch but he wanted to play with kingpin and just beat him up
That's still scary a fun loving peaceful man turned to vengeance is truly horrifying
That’s what can make Spider-Man so scary, because if he really wanted to, he could punch you into next Tuesday, which also makes a silent Spider-Man one of the most terrifying things in these universes
It’s funny that most of Spider-man’s adversaries have no idea that he never even comes close to using his full strength against them. They don’t realize that he could one-shot most of them, and only doesn’t because he’s worried about hurting them.
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Same could be said about most of his villains
@@tonystarkunlimited7332 wait what no it cant why would they be worried about killing him
@@goddoda412 I'm saying half his villains can kill him if we remove plot. Because let's be for real.
@@tonystarkunlimited7332 I mean true but it would be really hard for alot of them
The most frightening thing is when the hero stops holding back. And also when Spider man stops talking, making jokes or gimmicks, just business. Like he did with Venom who was threatening to murder his family and even eat his daughter 💀
You'd think people would understand what will happen if peter isn't making jokes and isn't talking
Peter absolutely beat Rhino to pulp when Rhino kidnapped Annie. Rhino was willing to give info but Peter continued trashing him.
@@WeezerFan505 this exact thing happened in a short story once
What comic is that?
@@King_Aegon its Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows. Its among the best Spider-Man comics in my opinion. All 4 volumes are amazing, and the comic is really cute, fun and wholesome. Its about Peter and MJ learning how to be a better parent and their daughter Annie learning how to be a superhero.
I love how normally, Spider-Man is shown not to use excessive force when fighting, but his true strength and speed are hinted at and briefly put on display in comics like these. Similarly, When Doc Oct took control over Peters body, he was shocked at how strong and fast Peter was. He immediately realized that Spider-Man had been holding back against criminals. So cool.
I don’t read a lot of comics, so lmk if I have some of the details wrong.
That's exactly what happened
He realized how much Peter was holding back because HE PUNCHED SCORPION’S JAW OFF BY ACCIDENT.
"The most dangerous creation of any society is the man who has nothing to lose." -James Baldwin
What if that man is in a wheelchair and can only move by blowing a pipe? Pretty sure a Marine would be more dangerous. The fact checkers rate this comment as not true.
A man who lose everything is scarier than a man who has nothing to lose
-Idk who the fck made this
Exactly why they're so many mass shootings. Fix the sexual marketplace, and watch them diminish.
@@majort.poirier4998 You entirely missed the point
@@TygerHillis No not really, it's not a good point. It's a common trope that has little baring on reality.
The moment Spidey stops cracking jokes, he becomes a symbol of fear like Batman
even more terrifying. Spiderman also has superpowers. batman on the other hand is older, which means he is less naive and has more experience, and ofcourse his money.
Yeah. This Black Spider Man is more scary than Batman. Any Batman. Maybe because of the difference in the original nature of Peter and Bruce.
@@albertusaswin2012Say that when you see the Batman who laughs.
@@enderethan144 laughing Batman is like a trump card for batman fans
plus his fear factor increases ten fold when with his unnatural looks and movement.
I love the last scene because it highlights the flaw in the sort of "Kingpin" or "Littlefinger" type of scheming characters who are indeed powerful because of their network and because of the influence they have other people.
Without their cohort it is only their word and promise of violence that keeps them at the top. And in this instance he made the fatal error of relying on his opponents "strong moral character" to give him the upper hand. Because Kingpin has been through this dance before. He believes he can fight Spider-Man. And he believes that there will come a point in the fight where he can either extort him by maybe threatening to expose his secret identity, or threaten Mary-Jane, or Aunt May. Kingpin believes he is five steps ahead of his enemy as usual. But he didn't account for one thing:
At this point: Peter doesn't care. Peter is out for blood. No quips, no demeaning, no battle of wits, Peter is there to kill him. And Fisk doesn't even realize that against him he doesn't stand a chance. He doesn't realize that there is literally nothing he can do to stop Peter from killing him. He can threaten him. He can't extort him. He can't distract or persuade him.
Suppose that's why they say one of the scariest things in Marvel is when Spidey goes quiet.
Love to see the comics that show just what happens when the heroes don't have a code and just let loose. Cause it is so so easy to just lose it and take out the villains, but the fact that they hold back and go the hard route just gives them that much more respect.
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Exactly, if it was me in that situation I'm not sure I would be able to hold back, and I think most people are the same.
This is a really good story. We always wondered what would happen when our favorite wall crawler finally snapped, and I don't mean him spine. I couldn't pick one panel, but I agree that Peter revealing his face saying "I am" was chilling. And the entirety of the prison scene was very well done. He still held back because he wanted to break Fisk, not kill him at that moment. He made a statement proving he could take down one of the most powerful humans without powers, only his speed and strength. He future-proofed any thugs coming after him, and he'd still kill if his demands weren't met. Scenes like this are my favorite. I am curious how it'd play out if Fisk ordered the whole prison on him, and Peter had to fight a hundred or so goons at once.
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Spidey would win.
In that mental state, black suit? It would be an unmitigated blood bath.
If 100 inmates attack Spidey, he kills (or incapacitates) all 100, easily. Even all at once. Practically speaking no more than 6-8 could hope to reach/hit him at once. That in mind: I don't expect any of them would be fast enough to land (or avoid) a blow, let alone strong enough to hurt him if they did...and they certainly can't withstand his might. He could literally "Saitama" them and kill each with one (head exploding or chest collapsing) punch if he was of the mind to. If he truly and completely gave in to murderous vengeance and fought normal men in that state he would likely be decapitating people, ripping off limbs, beating people with limbs and torsos, etc...not even because he meant to, just because he's that strong and he'd have zero regard for the well being (or life) of the person he's fighting. With no reason to care and nothing holding him back the violence would be brutal.
@@nicholashale6620 He doesn't even need to throw a single punch or kick. His webbing is so stupidly OP. Imagine if you had 2 strings that can reach as far as you'd like, can grab and weld itself to _anything_ , and cannot be torn. Now take those strings and attach them to something like a monstrously heavy safe (like the kind you store money in). Can you imagine how raw kinetic force something like that would produce? He wouldn't just turn those 100 men into hamburger, he could potentially destroy the entire fucking building, provided he has enough space to swing his murder webs.
4:40 It's really inspiring honestly, as dark as the story is, I like that. Peter explains to him that all of his wealth and possessions don't really matter, compared to what Peter himself is on his own. Just kind of a powerful sentiment for anyone who really doesn't have much but themselves at any given moment in life... What you have might be more than enough.
To me, the dual character of Spider-Man/ Peter Parker has always been about innocence inevitably lost, and the application of trauma, responsibility, and in many ways just tragedy towards an originally soft-hearted and kind person. There is a kind of slow revelation that, in spite of all of his partners, friends, family, and even rogue's gallery, He's really a lone wolf...
The most interesting and powerful element of this is how Spider-Man responds to these difficult losses and challenges in his life... I don't know the context of this issue or storyline, But I really hope this isn't the route he goes down in the end. It's interesting to see him lose control in such a way, but just doesn't ring true to the the fundamental character as a permanent attitude switch Imo.
His good heart kind of has to win, or else he's like some mutated Batman/ Deadpool/ punisher/ etc Chimera. Always after being tested, Always after showing his humanity and hubris... But I don't know, aside from middle-aged dark comic relief overweight future Parker, I would like to know where the story goes, And if you find some more meaningful place for his pain and aggression.
No, it didn’t stick for long. It got taken back in the one more day story line like a month or two after it happened.
Spidey is NOT a lone wolf. He gets to bang hot chicks, has lots of friends, and has powers. Hardly the definition of a loner.
Words have meanings, son.
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@@mywifesboyfriend5558 unfathomable levels of goofy
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So, you're a coward and are bragging about it?
... Weird flex, but okay broham. 🤨
Something someone pointed out to me in Superhero stories that I found interesting is, on average, the heroes are always stronger. I’m not referring to being morally stronger, even thought that is the case usually, especially in more traditional stories. I speak in terms of pure capabilities. They are always stronger, always faster, always smarter, always more skilled, always the superior force in the conflict on some level, the thing that holds them back, the thing that stops every fight from being a curb stop, or at the very least ending in them maiming someone, is that they are holding back because of their moral codes. They aren’t going for the throat, they aren’t trying to kill or maim, they are trying to end the conflict with the minimal level of violence necessary. On a certain level this is simply the escalation ladder at play, you don’t open with all guns blazing because that encourages people to respond in kind. Even if you don’t care about the people you’re fighting, if you care about everything and everyone around the fight, you shouldn’t encourage that type of response. Which is why I find it really dumb you have villains who try to goad them into going further up the ladder, to be more aggressive, to kill their opponents, either because they think they somehow win by getting heroes to throw away the rule book, or because they someone never realize “this person has kicked my ass a hundred times already even though I’ve been trying to kill them and I am only still alive because they haven’t”. And it always immensely satisfying to see villains like that realize they’ve been poking a bear.
Cuz that's aimed at the reader and some legacy culture of wildly different decades with different "moral priorities". For wolrd building sure, it makes very weird that's why we have to suspend our disbelief. My favourite example of something that must not be question ever in comics is "Why is Earth the center of the Universe". The MCU for example. How many time was the universe or multiverse saved on Earth. Somehow every single villain comes to Earth to conquer the universe. We fucking know it's bullshit, the writers know, but we just don't question it. This can be said of most things in comics which makes it a finnicky argument to make cuz it's easy to use to excuse poor writing or inconsistencies.
everyone in comics is always holding back tbh even batman
@@MILDMONSTER1234 batman outright has been called out for the fact he doesn't kill. Even by himself.
I think Doctor Who said it best "Good men dont need rules, todays not the day to learn why I have so many"
The villains aren't dumb, their judgement is just clouded. Human beings are emotional and illogical - any engineer who has watched someone use their equipment can tell you that off the bat.
one of my FAVORITE moments in spiderman history. seriously, when spidey isn't holding back he's 100% TERRIFYING. Don't care if you've got adamantium bones or a magic herb, if spidey wanted heads to roll, they'd roll fast and far with each punch.
and he was still holding back here.
There wouldn't even be heads to roll, just irregular shards of skull
Hearing you explaining how it all goes down i get chills as if you were peter park with the rage he had going threw it all as if you where the one to put king pin to the ground. It was a spectacle i thank you for making this comic even better then it already was.
Yeah, but even this i feel in the beating, and stuff how strong spiderman should be to my understanding he could just put his fist literally through Kingpin instantly. So even here hes holding back i feel strenght wise, but he let his emotions to take over
I think Peter drawing a line between the Spiderman persona and himself is a really important idea that needs more exploration.
Spiderman is Peter's idealized self: funny, confident, witty, and a complete moral paragon.
But Peter is still a person, and is more than entitled to lash out when something genuinely bad happens.
Drawing this line between Spiderman and Peter Parker also helps establish a status quo for the criminal world; when Spiderman is on the streets, everyone is aware he's just looking to stop crime. When Peter is on the streets asking questions, then everyone is aware that something happened and Peter has a specific target he's planning on dealing with.
I completely agree. This is a fun angle to follow, and would be rather easy to integrate already. After all, we already have stories of the general populous fearing and outlawing heroes. This kind of development would be a good way to lead into it.
I’d have to slightly disagree but only to a certain extent. The angle the comics went with for decades was that Peter isn’t like a traditional hero in personality or approach. Spider-Man isn’t really a paragon of morality as something that has been shown time and again is that the mask doesn’t change him but it emphasises what’s already there, flaws included. But it’s something he recognises and tries to improve on, as he has sought to kill in anger and hate multiple times but he usually pulls himself back, though this story is one of the few were he doesn’t because he has been pushed too far.
Spider-Man isn’t a Superman in terms of moral righteousness, but he is trying his best to reach that.
@@danielwood6833 which makes him all the more relatable
It's almost like a scene from an old western, where the lawman takes off his badge when he goes rogue to take care of some 'personal' business
@Repent and believe in Jesus Christ No
This is the story line that they should pursue with Andrew Garfield's spiderman. When he said "At some point I got rageful and stopped pulling my punches". A reference to this story. Would be dope.
Seeing Garfield's Spider-Man going on an all-out war against Oscorp with a sown-made black suit would be super incredible!
This might be my favorite Spiderman story, seeing Peter actually wanting to kill is interesting, but him waiting for the right moment is even more terrifying. Because it'll come, just not now. He knows how to get under an opponent's skin and he did that with king pin, I think the prisoners weren't just looking at king pin because he lost, but also because they realized how horrible of a person king pin actually was in that moment, Peter changed but he has been corrupted, he's just pissed off at someone he knows deserves to suffer.
Honestly love this version of Peter. I always knew that if he didn't have the amazing moral compass that was instilled in him by his Aunt and Uncle, he would absolutely kill people and it would be incredibly easy for him.
At the end of the day, Spiderman is a human being, and human beings all have a breaking point.
Do you that kingpin can still get up, walk to his cell and sleep it off after peter beat him ? I wouldnt call that anything beyond the usual shit .Disappointing
His moral compass wasn’t instilled by his aunt and uncle. It’s who he is. But yeah. He is not someone you want to turn into a bad person.
Crazy thing is he was still holding WAY back. He has to roll with punches, otherwise hitting him is the equivalent of hitting a brick wall. Doc Oc accidently punched Scorpion's jaw off after dealing mind's with Peter. Hell, he once punched Hulk into orbit
@@JustSome1chillin Peter's actually got a whole lot of repressed anger at the world, without Aunt May and Uncle Ben he would have slid into becoming a supervillain on par with Dr Doom...without his spider powers.
@@Tsurf exactly after his uncle died he learned this.
I love this moment, but my fav angry Peter moment is when he completely trashes Rhino for kidnapping his daughter Annie. Rhino was willing to give information about the guy who hired him but Peter still beat him down to pulp.
Underrated dark aspect of the character. Even when violence isn’t necessary, sometimes he’ll enact it to send a message or because it’ll make him feel better.
How about when he punched the Scorpion's jaw clear off his face?
@@kimbelsimpson7535 Technically that was not Peter that was Doc Ock in Peter's body and it was an accident because he never truly understood just how strong peter is or how much he held back.
6:21 even franklin was disappointed at kingpin
Kingpin got slapped around like he was a child that disobeyed his mom.
except they were both White 😆
@@nanifa6082 Every mom is a black mom if ya piss her off enough, I know from experience
I love this story. Peter just humiliated Fisk. That's savage
Stories where the heroes cast down their shackles always fascinate me. Makes you realize how powerful they truly are, and that the only reason they themselves ever get to near death situations, is their own moral code. They would rather die before killing someone, no matter how rotten the villain is. Villains are practically always at their mercy, so you don't wanna know what happens when you make shit personal.
I remember reading this back when it came out and just being so taken aback. It was so completely out of character, but also showed that Peter understood the criminals better than he lets on. It was invigorating to see the hero that cracks jokes and perseveres had that side to him. That capability was always in him, he just never uses it. I’ve always seen Spider-man as what happens when Batman isn’t broken in youth but rather healed after the trauma (and then of course there’s the powers vs. Money). That said, this four issue stint was more like Batman than Spider-Man. It confirmed for me that Peter wasn’t just insanely capable, he is also extremely responsible. The beatdown he gives Fisk is such a shocking moment, where maybe he pulled punches, but he sure keeps moving like he isn’t… and that damn punch across the page!
This whole thing's cathartic as hell. There's something really raw and relieving, seeing what happens when your beloved wisecrack hero is pushed to the limit, and he finally stops holding back, and everyone in his way gets obliterated.
The way you explained the story was immaculate.
Many people underestimate Spider-Man not knowing how powerful he actually is. Can go against hulk and win, take on many variants of the sinister six, and overall how dangerous he is when serious and not talking. You’d rather see Batman smile than hear Spider-Man stop talking.
He can't really win against Hulk with only his strength. But he CAN fight him to a stand still, if only for a while That is an amazing feat though, as to even get Hulk to notice you hit him you have to punch with the power of a truck anyway.
@@DmonHiro calm the F down, Hulk literally stood still and Spidey broke His hands while trying to hurt him.
Hulk Is out of his league.
Batman Laughed once, and it Scared Harley
No way in hell Spidey could take Hulk. Maybe Professor Hulk which is his weakest form I belive. But regular Hulk... no. World Breaker Hulk... fat chance.
I am a Spidey fan but even I know he could never take Hulk ever.
@@Lightmagician60 I was bout to say batman laughing is scarier than batman smiling
for context, the blac suit isn't a symbiote suit, peter made a blac suit a long time ago when he was in despair, he put the suit on that building just in case he'd need it again, that suit represents a side of peter that is angry, merciless and inescapable
Peter's inner Punisher.
I thought cat gave it to him cause she thought he looked better in it.
Yeah, I realized it wasn't a symbiote when he took off the top half. If it was, then he woupd've just been able to make the mask recede on its own.
And he also probably wouldn't have stopped himself.
...And also the symbiote would've either been dead or escaped since it IS a living thing that has to eat. It can't just chill in a bag on a rooftop forever.
@@gavinp5940 nah that's a different suit, he made that one on his own
Oh ok I was confused
That was one of the most satisfying beat downs I’ve seen in comic book history.
one of the big reasons I love Spider-Man/Peter Parker is that he has a perfect balance. he can make good jokes and do crazy tricks like its nothing, but when a line is crossed, he pulls no punches.
He still pulled his punches but if he didn't it would've been a quick fight. One punch and king pins head takes a vacation from his shoulder
He still holds back in this beat down
People have pointed it out a lot, but Peter GRIPPING Fisk’s skin is super intense. He could’ve just popped in there and lobbed of his head like it was nothing.
Nice vid! One nitpick: "southpaw" does not mean a punch thrown with the left hand. "Southpaw" is a term from boxing - it refers to a fighter who fights in the left-handed stance: right foot and right hand forward. In the southpaw stance, the left hand is the one that delivers power shots and the right hand is used for jabbing and hooks. Sometimes right-handed fighters will fight southpaw, usually for the benefit of being able to throw short right hooks (in the right-handed stance, the right foot and right hand are further back, which means the right hook has to travel further and thus leaves the boxer more exposed).
Yk the funny thing is I’m left handed but I feel more comfortable using a right hand stance when I spar
@@jayzgaming0097mines the complete opposite, I'm right handed yet I prefer the southpaw stance when it comes to fighting
Ah, so that's what its called. My brother taught me southpaw then. Curious, because neither of us are left-handed
As much as I find it infuriating the villains always seem to get away with their crimes in Marvel and DC seeing someone like the Kingpin be put in his place is glorious. A rare bright spot
argable to him its a fate worth then death as his bigist fear is being a nobody
indeed, Spidey doesn't have the resources or reach to change New York, and besides one major trauma in his life, he still has "so much to live for" and can be idealistic. I'm happy he isn't as contradictory or a hypocrite like Batman.
I always liked the Punisher because he finds a permanent solution to crime problems. That solution is always kill them, but they never do the crime again... unless some magic extra life thing is involved. Punisher villians generally get one shot and don't come back or have some lucky thing happen that lets them get away. Batman paralizing or lobotomizing the Joker? Never happens, obvious solution to the serial killer. Superman sits Lex Luthor down for an interview as Clark Kent and simply reveals all his criminal BS in a live interview because no Lex corp. document was safe from Superman. Daredevil wears a body cam with good audio and has who ever monolog their reason for robbing the bank, they will speak in both the first and third person.
@@nanifa6082How the hell is Batman a "hypocrite"?
meh, a hero is only as good as his villain and if the villain poses no real threat, than the hero just comes across as a bully. Thats why Kiteman is such a joke. You have to make your villains capable of harming either directly or indirectly the hero elsewise the hero has no element of danger or adversity to overcome. Thats why i thought this story was cringebait. A ruthless spiderman is just Jason Todd with super powers. and nothing is as boring as watching a man with all the cards in his favor play without a handicap.
It’d be one thing to be beaten to death while realizing mid fight that you can’t even lay a finger on your opponent, let alone damage him. But to be left with the fear and pain of knowing what he is capable of doing to you, and to know round 2 is coming at any random point in the future must be terrifying.
The best thing about that story is that Peter *WAS* still holding back against Fisk. He could literally have ripped him limb from limb if he really wanted to. To a dude who can bench-press 10 tons, flesh and bone is less effort than tearing wet tissue paper.
This is why criminals are legitimately scared of Spider-Man when he’s quiet, so much so that at one point Mysterio straight up handed himself over to the police because Spider-Man wasn’t talking
What comic?
@@Sherdandferd I don't remember the specific one, but it's the one where it turns out he just has a sore throat
@Riotmode be hilarious if while Mysterio is getting put in the squad car and Spidey just asks one of the cops for a cough drop.
New Yorker to his core. There’s no need for words anymore-I’ll see you in public.😭💀💀💀😂
It is similar with Deadpool, a sane Deadpool is terrifying.
And let's not forget Plasticman, Batman's contingency against him is to freeze him with liquid nitrogen and pray he doesn't break out. (I don't remember the exact words; thou I think the feeling is the same.)
Dope video! I just watched the whole damn thing without even realizing it.
It's 8 minutes after all, wish it was longer tho. It was a great story nonetheless.
same
Nice. Papa Stan is even showing up here. Hope to see a reaction vid or something
Same here
And by the time you realize you've reached the end you're like "awww, it's over already?"
Respect because your one of the only people I’ve ever seen digitally or in person combined discuss this comic
And Peter was still holding back...
In the what if story where kingping shot and killed MJ instead, Peter kills him with just one punch (Saitama style)
The punch Is so powerful It pierced through Kingping's chest.
not to mention he's strong enough to one-shot kill actual meta-humans...
@@abigails4088
Like who?
In another story where a villain conglemerate kills MJ, Peter takes the entire skin off a guy, flaying him alive before webbing him and throwing him into the bay.
Peter fully is capable of violence. He just doesn't want to choose violence.
@@CameraPunk5049 iirc Lizardman...
it's from the storyline where Doc Oc puts his own mind in Peter's body... and he doesn't know that Peter has been holding back so much so when Lizzie shows up wanting to fight...
"Doc" Parker... *CHOSE VIOLENCE*
took ONE punch... and he realized just how much Peter had been holding back when they'd all been fighting him.
I think Spidey would have if Aunt May died on the spot. His usual power level is "just enough to win", in this story its "make them suffer", and with the MJ death one its "ending them and then some".
this spiderman comic is "Marvelous" and there's no more other words to describe such piece of art. Ty for showing us this masterpiece
that was amazing, i love seeing a hero be a real person for a second. with short emotions and outbursts
This has always been one of my favorite stories. The beat down he gives Fisk is so satisfying.
I love this mentality, "mess with me, i can take it, ill make fun of it, fun of you, heck even fun of me, we can repeat this again and again till you get tired, mess with the ones i love, those who can't fight back or defend themselves...then, you are on a dead sentence and i decide when its the execution", its masterful.
"There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man." ~ Patrick Rothfuss
I like to imagine the reason why Peter was so easily able to take off the black suit this time around was because the symbiote either completely supported Peter's quest to avenge his aunt or was just too scared stiff to get in his way
That wasn't a symbiote suit.
It wasn't a symbiote it was just a normal black colored costume.
the suit was black but has no symbiote
Plain black suit, not a klyntar
Yeah I also thought Black suit SpiderMan was due to Venom
I love these kinda a videos really showing the grit of spiderman with these unique stories which brings them into a more brighter light. Thanks Mullet-Man!
This Isn't Spider-Man, That's Beating Up The Shooter. It's Peter Himself.
he actually still held back againts kingpin in this story
As proven by Kingpin existing at the end of a story :D
yea i think peter not holding back would punch holes through people. i mean how many crazy feats of strength have we seen him do???
@@ale.c2602 I mean, when Otto first became Spider-Man be punched off scorpions jaw in its entirety and he s t I l l wasn’t going 100 percent.
The only time Peter didnt hold back is when he killed Eddie Brock. Eddie and Venom threaten to kill Peter's wife and daughter and Peter just straight up murdered Eddie.
@@jeppyjep thats not the only time. + that wasn't in the earth 616 universe
Craziest part is Peter was still holding back. The few comics where he truely stopped caring, he had the strength to punch holes in steel, let alone human beings. I think he would have killed Fisk in one punch to the face if he had wanted to.
Spider-man once beat unconscious Firelord, ex-herald of Galactus, a being on par with Silver Surfer in power. He could easily kill most of the super powered people he fights.
He could certainly punch Fisk's head off with ease if he actually means to, just put into perspective how much he holds back on regular basis. I doubt he actually use even only 10% of his strength here and he was pissed
I swear Spider-man holding back has become the Marvel version of Batman's prep time.
There was a hint about Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man in No way home not holding back his punches like this and i wish we got to see that
A potential Amazing Spider man 3 maybe?
@@keithharrissuwignjo2460 I mean the styling works perfectly
@@keithharrissuwignjo2460 #MakeTASM3
It makes a lot of sense considering how much Garfield's Spider-Man loved Gwen in the ASM movies.
Maybe in a future TASM 3, Andrew's Spidey gets his version of the black symbiote suit and we get to see it.
At least we can dream.
1:53 - Batman: hey that's my line bro
Great video dude, you do a great job capturing the seriousness of the story!! This the first thing I’ve seen by you, definitely got a follow from me
This story seriously gives me the chills, so weird seeing Peter going all out but at the same time it's very cathartic. Great video man!
so satisfying seeing peter actually standing for himself and give them what they deserve
why is this comic reading so satisfying and relaxing. good job.
Just wanted to say thank you for making videos like these . I don’t read comics ( nothing against them tho) but I love watching stuff like this since I do think the marvel and dc universe is so interesting, especially with these kind of “what if?” Scenarios . You make it so easily accessible for people who find this stuff interesting but maybe don’t have to time to read it themselves , so I just wanted to say I really appreciate your content . I hope you see more success in your future .
This is the Spider-man that I have always wanted to see. In this story Peter is showing awesome progression of his character. He is not the high school kid that takes crap off fJameson or the kid who can't pay the rent. He is a grown man that has had enough of the crap and it has all come to this.
The problem is as good as this story is we will never see more of it or any growth in Peter. I believe that it's sad that Peter can't be happy or reach another phase of his personality (become Angry).
because then he'd basically be a copy of year one batman, why cant mfs let this guy be happy for once
@@GEORGE_676 Because then he wouldn't be the Spidey we all know and love.
This story and the way you described every moment of every scene made my toes curl. That’s how intense I felt listening to and watching it. Great work.
Even Tony Stark was really impressed how Peter can catch buses and trains without causing too much structural damage, dude really learnt how to hold back and control his strength. So unless you are another super powered hero or villain his full on punches and kicks should pulverize a regular human being.
If everyone was honest… Spider-Man could literally mist a person. He’s also incredibly fast! I’m talking running speed is insane.
i've seen one or two stories where spider-man stops being a wiseass, and in both it's pretty terrifying. the other one it was a sore throat or something, and he was fighting a group of villains. i think it was mysterio that realized spider-man wasn't being funny today, and it scared him so bad he surrendered. but for everyone asking how we know spider-man was still holding back while that beatdown with kingpin, there's a What If about this exact scenario. in it, instead of aunt may being shot, MJ is, and she dies. he doesn't let the crooks off with broken bones, he goes on a killing spree, murdering everyone who had anything to do with it. and when it came to the fight with kingpin, peter puts his fist THROUGH kingpin's chest, mid monologue.
0:11 DO NOT SPEAK OF PAUL
Kingpin doesn’t realize how easily Peter could have killed him. In another comic Spider-Man literally punches his fist completely through kingpin’s chest and out his back, webbing a guy to the wall while holding up kingpin’s lifeless body. That just goes to show you how powerful Spider-Man really is when he stops pulling his punches
But I believe that's the problem with Spider-man. If he just went 100% at criminals (possibly killing some), people like the Kingpin wouldn't come at him looking for problems. Sure some villains would still want smoke but not as many.
@@eugeneflorence4355 exactly. Maybe not even having to kill em. Just beat em within an inch of their lives. Put the fear of god into em. Hell he did that here. Damn near beat kingpin to death and it wasn’t even hard. And people will talk. Word will spread. I really want to read this whole series
Yep
May i know which comic you're referring to??
@@rain-nin5309 Well my friend I am guessing that I am much older than you. I have collected Spider-man comics for about 30 years. So I guess we could say my knowledge of the character is cumulative. But I assure you Peter Parker has been struggling with his rent, dodging Flash Thompson in High School, and keeping his Identity from his Aunt May for a very long time.
I love the premise of this.
_"You know who I am. You know who my loved ones are. So you had better make sure that nothing happens to them, otherwise I'll make sure something happens to you."_
daredevil explaining spiderman lore is crazy!
I've struggled to stand up for myself all my life, and I assure you that there are points in your life when you need to make a stand like this to command respect. My Dad is the only one in the world who has threatened someone else to protect me, and I admire that.
The black menace 💀
The Sam Raimi movies showed this perfectly when he went chasing after the guy who shot Uncle Ben. He wasn't playing hero after that.
The best transformation of Spidey to Peter Parker so far in the series. The writer really did the fans a refreshing take.
Hey man. I really don't read comics or know anything about them and most of the channels that go over them are just being too much. You are really chill and make these stories fun and easy to listen to. Thanks for the content and congrats on 300k
Kingpin really lost that game of 'front hand back hand'
To be fair, it wasn't spiderman who seek vengeance on kingpin, it's Peter parker, the guy who's just trying to fit his life together. Spiderman is the guy that swings in with humor and fun and beats criminals because that's his persona inside the job. outside of the job is just one guy who's trying to take on a entire city full of crimes. Honestly, this is probably some of the most realistic spiderman stories out there, where peter didn't break his moral code, but still beats the shit out of kingpin and if he has to, can definitely kill him if aunt may actually dies. An eye for an eye. This is extremely legit and praises to the writers and Mullet-man for bringing us this piece of good comic.
Made this joke before and I'll make it again, spidey was pimp slapping the kingpin like a Hank Pym love interest
Wilson Fisk: “So Hotshot, You wanna fight the kingpin?”
Bully Maguire: “Fight you? No, I wanna kill you.”
I love the time he and Doc Ock switched bodies and Doc didn’t know how much Spider-Man held back until he accidentally punched Rhino’s jaw clean off
ive heard this story a few time s now, but the way you've told it was probably the best I've seen off youtube, great stuff man
You know the criminals where shitting their pants watching this
This is awesome. It's a shame Disney would never touch a story like this
If this story has taught me one thing, its that EVERYONE even the gentle ones have a breaking point.
And when the gentle ones break, it has much greater impact.
“Spider-Man is a happy go lucky kinda superhero”.
5:04 bro did the will smith slap
Bloodlusted Spidey is above street-level.
When Peter said that he was there to kill Fisk and not Spider-Man. That was a cold line. 🥶
The secret identities were never really protecting the heroes, it was more a safeguard against EVERY hero becoming the punisher.