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I'm non-denominational but I also find this so condescending and rude - when other Christian groups refer to 2 separate entities: Christians and Catholics....like, that's not how this works. That's not how any of this works. :P Anyone who follows the teachings of Christ are a Christian, obviously. It's time we start watching our phrasing and thinking of these things. :)
There are several important differences between Catholics and Protestants. While there have been many attempts in recent years to find common ground between the two groups, the fact is that the differences remain, and they are just as important today as they were at the beginning of the Protestant Reformation. The following is brief summary of some of the more important differences: One of the first major differences between Catholicism and Protestantism is the issue of the sufficiency and authority of Scripture. Protestants believe that the Bible alone is the source of God’s special revelation to mankind and teaches us all that is necessary for our salvation from sin. Protestants view the Bible as the standard by which all Christian behavior must be measured. This belief is commonly referred to as “sola scriptura” and is one of the “five solas” (sola is Latin for “alone”) that came out of the Protestant Reformation as summaries of some of the differences between Catholics and Protestants. While there are many verses in the Bible that establish its authority and its sufficiency for all matters of faith and practice, one of the clearest is 2 Timothy 3:16, where we see that “all Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.” Catholics reject the doctrine of sola scriptura and do not believe that the Bible alone is sufficient. They believe that both the Bible and sacred Roman Catholic tradition are equally binding upon the Christian. Many Roman Catholics doctrines, such as purgatory, praying to the saints, worship or veneration of Mary, etc., have little or no basis in Scripture but are based solely on Roman Catholic traditions. Essentially, the Roman Catholic Church’s denial of sola scriptura and its insistence that both the Bible and tradition are equal in authority undermine the sufficiency, authority, and completeness of the Bible. The view of Scripture is at the root of many, if not all, of the differences between Catholics and Protestants. Another disagreement between Catholicism and Protestantism is over the office and authority of the Pope. According to Catholicism the Pope is the “Vicar of Christ” (a vicar is a substitute) and represents Jesus as the head of the Church. As such, the Pope has the ability to speak ex cathedra (with authority on matters of faith and practice), making his teachings infallible and binding upon all Christians. On the other hand, Protestants believe that no human being is infallible and that Christ alone is the Head of the Church. Catholics rely on apostolic succession as a way of trying to establish the Pope’s authority. Protestants believe that the church’s authority comes not from apostolic succession but from the Word of God. Spiritual power and authority do not rest in the hands of a mere man but in the very Word of God. While Catholicism teaches that only the Catholic Church can properly interpret the Bible, Protestants believe that the Bible teaches God sent the Holy Spirit to indwell all born-again believers, enabling all believers to understand the message of the Bible. Protestants point to passages such as John 14:16-17: “I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.” (See also John 14:26 and 1 John 2:27.) A third major difference between Catholicism and Protestantism is how one is saved. Another of the five solasof the Reformation is sola fide (“faith alone”), which affirms the biblical doctrine of justification by grace alone through faith alone because of Christ alone (Ephesians 2:8-10). However, Catholics teach that the Christian must rely on faith plus “meritorious works” in order to be saved. Essential to the Roman Catholic doctrine of salvation are the Seven Sacraments, which are baptism, confirmation, the Eucharist, penance, anointing of the sick, holy orders, and matrimony. Protestants believe that, on the basis of faith in Christ alone, believers are justified by God, as all their sins are paid for by Christ on the cross and His righteousness is imputed to them. Catholics, on the other hand, believe that Christ’s righteousness is imparted to the believer by “grace through faith,” but in itself is not sufficient to justify the believer. The believer must supplement the righteousness of Christ imparted to him with meritorious works. Catholics and Protestants also disagree on what it means to be justified before God. To the Catholic, justification involves being made righteous and holy. He believes that faith in Christ is only the beginning of salvation and that the individual must build upon that with good works because God’s grace of eternal salvation must be merited. This view of justification contradicts the clear teaching of Scripture in passages such as Romans 4:1-12, Titus 3:3-7, and many others. Protestants distinguish between the one-time act of justification (when we are declared righteous by God based on our faith in Christ’s atonement on the cross) and the process of sanctification (the development of righteousness that continues throughout our lives on earth). While Protestants recognize that works are important, they believe they are the result or fruit of salvation but never the means to it. Catholics blend justification and sanctification together into one ongoing process, which leads to confusion about how one is saved. A fourth major difference between Catholics and Protestants has to do with what happens after death. Both believe that unbelievers will spend eternity in hell, but there are significant differences about what happens to believers. From their church traditions and their reliance on non-canonical books, the Catholics have developed the doctrine of purgatory. Purgatory, according to the Catholic Encyclopedia, is a “place or condition of temporal punishment for those who, departing this life in God’s grace, are not entirely free from venial faults, or have not fully paid the satisfaction due to their transgressions.” On the other hand, Protestants believe that because we are justified by faith in Christ alone and that Christ’s righteousness is imputed to us-when we die, we will go straight to heaven to be in the presence of the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:6-10 and Philippians 1:23). One disturbing aspect about the Catholic doctrine of purgatory is the belief that man can and must pay for his own sins. This results in a low view of the sufficiency and efficiency of Christ’s atonement on the cross. Simply put, the Roman Catholic view of salvation implies that Christ’s atonement on the cross was insufficient payment for the sins of those who believe in Him and that even a believer must pay for his own sins, either through acts of penance or time in purgatory. Yet the Bible teaches that it is Christ’s death alone that can satisfy or propitiate God’s wrath against sinners (Romans 3:25; Hebrews 2:17; 1 John 2:2; 1 John 4:10). Our works of righteousness cannot add to what Christ has already accomplished. The differences between Catholicism and evangelical Protestants are important and significant. Paul wrote Galatians to combat the Judaizers (Jews who said that Gentile Christians had to obey the Old Testament Law to be saved). Like the Judaizers, Catholics make human works necessary for one to be justified by God, and they end up with a completely different gospel. It is our prayer that God will open the eyes of those who are putting their faith in the teachings of the Catholic Church. It is our hope that everyone will understand that his “works of righteousness” cannot justify him or sanctify him (Isaiah 64:6). We pray that all will instead put their faith solely in the fact that we are “justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood-to be received by faith” (Romans 3:24-25). God saves us, “not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life” (Titus 3:5-7).
@@Stevenowski there are no verses in scripture that claim scripture is sufficient, because the nature of scripture means that putting that in would violate inerrancy. because unless it was the very last word written, it would be wrong at the time of writing. also because it isn't true.
In my country I have never come across this question. Most of the Christians are Catholics in Poland so I hope very few could have such doubts. Thank you guys for your videos. The're excellent. Catholic Church is great. God is great!
Polish people 😍😍😍 they were so nice to me always and they almost like ran across the halls just to answer my questions when I recently became a Christian. God bless all of them (including you ofcourse)
Poland! Basically the last actually Catholic country (maybe also a few other Eastern European countries that never went over to the so-called "Orthodox Church"). _Pax tecum._
You guys nailed it. There wasn't this question of "are Catholics Christian?" in the early centuries of Christianity, because to be Christian was to be Catholic. As St. Ignatius observed: "Where there is Christ, there is the Catholic Church." It wasn't until after the Protestant Reformation that there was confusion, and we all know who loves to scatter, divide, and lie. We need to pray for unity!
Yeah, in fact, I didn't learn until recently that Protestants believe Catholics came around and replaced the followers of the way. Is'n't that insane? How did they think that?
Well lets share the Faith. 1. do you know that the only intermediary between God and man is Jesus not "Mary" and "saints" why do you pray to then? 1 timoty 2:5. Jesus is indeed our one mediator and Jesus does aprove of other to pray to one another and all to pray to him. I can pray to you and you can pray for me. The word pray means "to ask" and "make request". I can pray that you pray for me. 1 Timothy offers prayers, petitions for all men. 2. what? the word "pope" does not even exist in the Bible. Well if you know where the word "Pope" comes from its means Father and how many times you see the word Father used in New Testament alone? The word pope is derived ultimately from the Greek πάππας[1] (páppas[2]) originally an affectionate term meaning "father", later referring to a bishop or patriarch.[3] The earliest record of the use of this title is in regard to the Patriarch of Alexandria, Pope Heraclas of Alexandria (232-248)[4][5] in a letter written by his successor, Pope Dionysius of Alexandria, to Philemon, a Roman presbyter: τοῦτον ἐγὼ τὸν κανόνα καὶ τὸν τύπον παρὰ τοῦ μακαρίου πάπα ἡμῶν Ἡρακλᾶ παρέλαβον.[6] Which translates into: I received this rule and ordinance from our blessed father/pope, Heraclas.[7][8] From the early 3rd century the title was applied generically to all bishops.[9][10] The earliest extant record of the word papa being used in reference to a Bishop of Rome dates to late 3rd century, when it was applied to Pope Marcellinus.[11] According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the earliest recorded use of the title "pope" in English is in an Old English translation (c. 950) of Bede's Ecclesiastical History of the English People: Þa wæs in þa tid Uitalius papa þæs apostolican seðles aldorbiscop.[12] In Modern English: At that time, Pope Vitalian was chief bishop of the apostolic see. 3. yeah like as Buddhists and Hindus hehe indeed you are polytheistic pedo-loving roman exodus 20:3-5 Don't understand what you mean since Catholics don't worship statues with the worship we give to God alone. If you trying the Idolity card then you are already misapplying the verse. Ex 25:18-19 making two graven images of idols made of gold was ordered to be made. Not for worship of course not, but was made. 4"carry the creator in her womb" WHAT!?😲 how she do that!? That means that Mary is God!!! thats is a blasphemy "heretic"!. You Serious??!! You do read and understand the Bible right? 30 And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there will be no end.” 34 And Mary said to the angel, “How shall this be, since I have no husband?” 35 And the angel said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God. Catholic Biblical Association (Great Britain). (1994). The Holy Bible: Revised Standard Version, Catholic edition (Lk 1:30-35). New York: National Council of Churches of Christ in the USA. do you know that those words can send directly to the lake of fire? Its not in my power to do any sending of anybody to the lake of fire. You attack Christ true Church that is guided by the Holy spirit and your balasamy can put you in hot water. John 1: 1-3 indeed Jesus is indeed the word. Not written on stone and kept in a ark of Gold, but made flesh and carried in the living sinness Ark oh his Mothers womb. Romans 3:10-12 You have to submit to sin to be none righteous. The blessed Virgin Mary didn't not yield to sin, but yield to God and became an instrument of righteousness. 13 Do not yield your members to sin as instruments of wickedness, but yield yourselves to God as men who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments of righteousness. 14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace. 15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16 Do you not know that if you yield yourselves to any one as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. Catholic Biblical Association (Great Britain). (1994). The Holy Bible: Revised Standard Version, Catholic edition (Ro 6:13-18). New York: National Council of Churches of Christ in the USA.
Robert Hernandez That passage from Matthew is Jesus telling Peter that he will be the Pope. Jesus is The King and he uses Israeli imagery to describe Peter's role.
"So.. The pope who thinks he's the represent of God on Earth is a christian ?" Is your "he's the represent of God" said in a way that you believe catholics believe the pope is "God on earth" just like the "pharaoh was Ra on earth"? If that's what you believe the pope is, I recommend you look for the actual definition.
I wish this video had been around when I was in high school. My best friend in school fought with me over this, as well as a few of her youth group buddies. There was even a little girl I was babysitting who asked me what religion I was, and when I told her she said, "Oh that's like mine, but you worship Mary. I get it." In their defense, our town was tiny and there were only 2 practicing Catholic families with kids. Thus, only me and 4 other Catholic kids in our school. Everyone else went to the same Protestant church, or didn't practice at all. So I get that they really didn't know. But man, it's nice to know I'm not the only one who was dealing with this issue!
On the issue of saints: I was telling a military friend that it was like a "chain of command" type thing. If you need something specific, you don't go directly to the general. You go to the person who is assigned to the specific need. So, too, with the saints. Or is that too simplistic?
Can I ask a couple honest questions? What is the Biblical basis for praying to the Saints? What is the Biblical basis for saying that the Saints can intercede on your behalf to God? Isn't the Bible very clear that we shouldn't communicate with the dead?
Alex Guitar; You are absolutely correct! NO communication with the dead! And here are the scriptures which the Catholics choose to ignore! Deuteronomy 18:9-14 “When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you. You shall be blameless before the Lord your God, …
Among other things, Luke 20:36-38. "They can no longer die, for they are like angels; and they are the children of God because they are the ones who will rise. That the dead will rise even Moses made known in the passage about the bush, when he called the 'Lord' the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob; and He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive." When we s pray to the saints, we are not communicating with the dead, but rather we are communicating with those who are alive in even a fuller sense than we are because they are alive in Christ.
Johnny Greene And exactly how do YOU know that YOU are not communicating with a demonic spirit , like King Saul did with the witch of Endor? The saints are NOT raised from the dead yet , so exactly what are you communicating with and where is your scripture for doing such actions?
+Johnny Greene thanks for the honest reply. It seems to me that passage is referring to the resurrection after the return of Christ, would you agree?. Aren't the people referenced in that passage just *spiritually* alive, since before the resurrection they are obviously still physically dead? I don't quite see the justification for communicating with them while they are physically dead, before the resurrection, or any indication that they can intercede to God on our behalf. Hopefully that makes sense.
Johnny Greene Deuteronomy 18:9-14 “When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you. You shall be blameless before the Lord your God, …Revelation 22 ; 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. +
I became a Catholic in 1971 at age 18 and I thank God every day for my conversion. You guys are doing a lot of good work. Keep it up! What you are doing pleases God very much.
I just want to say that I've been a Protestant my whole life and that isn't changing any time soon, but my views on Catholicism have definitely changed over the past year, and this channel has been a major influence in that area. Growing up, I was never fully convinced that Catholics weren't Christians, but I also wasn't 100% sure that they were. But after researching a bit more instead of just going off of what I had grown up hearing, I see it more like another denomination. Do we agree on everything? Not even close! But do we agree on the things that are most important? Yes. And as long as we've got that in common, we're on the same team. One group's weakness is covered by another's strength, ultimately leading more people to Christ. None of us are perfect, and to claim that my version of Christianity is the only one that can get you into heaven would be the absolute height of pride. We can debate the details, but as long as you have made Jesus the lord of your life, I'll be looking forward to seeing you in heaven.
"I've been a Protestant my whole life and that isn't changing any time soon" LOL, Maybe later on then??. I Don't mean to freak you out, but it sounds like you're already in the process of converting. All it takes is an open heart and a bit of humility, and you're off. "None of us are perfect, and to claim that my version of Christianity is the only one that can get you into heaven would be the absolute height of pride" Oh yeah dude, you're in trouble. That sounds like something from Vatican II. "I'll be looking forward to seeing you in heaven." I'll see you at Mass..LOL God bless brother.
Oh my gosh this, I wish so many more people would understand this. I'm Catholic, but my Protestant friends can't seem to grasp that Catholics are indeed Christians. Good on you man.
When encountering similar questions from my Protestant friends, I find it can be helpful to utilize the Nicene Creed to delineate between what is Christian versus what isn't. It shows the common heritage that our now sadly divided communions once experienced and knew. It ignores some of the historical complexities that might be encountered with our Orthodox brothers and sisters but at least it defines the basic tenets of the Christian faith.
I don't think that Jesus will build a Church and then leave it and let it be corrupted by forces of evil. I mean, He was so worried about his flock being confused and helpless (Matthew 9:36). He even prayed for them to be one (John 17:21). Do you think that this same Jesus would let His Church be led into false doctrines that create havoc and confusion among His followers when it was Him who said that the gates of hell shall not prevail against His Church (Matthew 16:18)? That's why I think that the Catholic claim to being the One True Church established by Jesus is logical. Jesus built His Church and, through the Holy Spirit, He will never let it go astray and fall into heresy even for a second. The Catholic Church had been the only Christian Church since the time of the apostles until the 16th century. And if you look at it, from the beginning of the Christian era up to the present time, the followers of the Catholic Church are united, they are One, just as Jesus prayed for them to be. Now I'm not trying to insult anyone, this is just an observation, but Protestantism from 1500s had splintered into thousands of denominations with a lot of different beliefs from each other. In my opinion, this created, and continues to create, division among His followers.
Hi stangerling, Jesus said He will build a Church and it is His Church. He has never left it because the Pope is not the head of the Church, Jesus is. Matthew 28:18, 20 "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth...and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world." Jesus didn't say all power in heaven was given to him and all power on earth was given to the Pope. Hope this helps.
In other words, all Protestants... "Now it is manifest that he who adheres to the teaching of the Church, as to an infallible rule, assents to whatever the Church teaches; otherwise, if, of the things taught by the Church, he holds what he chooses to hold, and rejects what he chooses to reject, he no longer adheres to the teaching of the Church as to an infallible rule, but to his own will... Therefore it is clear that such a heretic with regard to one article has no faith in the other articles, but only a kind of opinion in accordance with his own will." -St. Thomas Fr. Aquinas, O.P., Doctor of the Church
Michael Rex Wellllllllll.... Yes. I reject those teachings of the RCC that I believe to be in error. Many of the Marian doctrines are blatantly unscriptural and I would be a liar if I said I believed in them..
Travis Johnson Scripture is not the sole- or even primary- source of Doctrine. Scripture itself admits this (I Timothy iii. 15). By the aforementioned logic, though,- and with some consideration of history and Theology- it becomes manifestly obvious that it is only possible for Catholics to be Christian.
Michael Rex Aquinas' logic is only valid IF the RCC is what it claims be, which I don't believe it is. Mary is hardly even mentioned after the Gospels. One slight reference by name and one more indirectly. Paul never alludes to her in any way. He preached "Christ and Him crucified." Period. End of statement. Mary's role was front loaded in Jesus' life. I see no reference to the princely monarchical style of Papal authority as has existed for over 15 centuries. I could go on but it's late. PS - I sort of agree with your final statement: Catholics CAN be Christians
Travis Johnson St. Aquinas' logic is valid. Period. The validity of a logical statement is not determinate upon the beliefs of the person making the statement; in other words, the statement must be judged on its own merits, not the merits of its author.
My 2 cents... And I do say this knowing that I am anathematized by Rome... While there is much that we can talk about in this video (the origin of the Bible, Mariology, praying to saints, etc.), the claim should not be made that "Catholics are not Christians," but rather, if one is a Christian, it is in spite of their Catholicism, not because of it. Rome's errors go back to their core tenant that Justification follows Sanctification. According to Rome, justification is a process in which God's grace is poured forth into the sinner's heart, making that person progressively more righteous. Knowing of course that there are two meanings to sanctification - one that simply means "set apart by God," and this has to do with a believer's standing, not his present walk or condition (Acts 20:32; 1 Corinthians 1:2, 30; 6:11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; Hebrews 2:11; 3:1; 10:10, 14; 13:12; 1 Peter 1:2) and then the other meaning of sanctification which is the process through which a man is brought into closer conformity with Christ (John 17:17,19; Romans 6:1 22; 2 Corinthians 3:18; 1 Thessalonians 4:3 4; 5:23). It would seem from Rome's own documents that it is this latter definition of sanctification that must take place in order for justification to be granted to them. "If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema." (Trent, Canon IX) Furthermore, Trent declared: “To those who work well unto the end, and trust in God, eternal life is to be offered." And "It is given as a reward, promised by God Himself to be faithfully given to their good works and merits.” Salvation then according to Rome is something that one earns “By those very works which have been done in God, fully satisfied the divine law according to the state of this life and to have truly merited eternal life." The Catholic Catechism requires the following for salvation as a means of imparting grace: sacraments (1129), meritorious masses (1405), church membership (846), purgatory (1030), indulgences (1498), and baptism (1256). The New Testament is quite clear however about the nature of justification being without, and apart from any effort of the believer. “For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law” (Romans 3:28, 4:1-25, Galatians 2:16, 3:6, 11). “A man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus . . . since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified” (Galatians 2:16). “But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit” (Titus 3:4-5). Salvation is by faith in Christ alone through God’s grace alone, and God then declares you righteous-not because you are, it is not as though righteousness is infused into you, but rather because He imputes His righteousness to you, and because He paid the penalty for your sin. Christ bears our sin and we receive His righteousness. That is the doctrine of justification found in 2 Corinthians 5:21. Romans 5:1 - Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ… Justification before God is by faith alone apart from works (Ephesians 2:8-9), and once justified, we have peace with God - this is a statement of the wellness of our relationship with God. If indeed it is possible that we could lose our salvation through some mortal sin, and if it is possible that we could become the “enemy of God through wicked works,” then how is it that we can say that we have peace with God? For a peace that is in constant threat of collapse is no peace at all.
Dear Ones, thank you for this open & insightful discussion. Would like to add to this for everyone's careful consideration. Please take time to look up all these scriptures yourself; don't take my word for it.1) A Christian (definition: believer and follower of Jesus Christ) is one who fulfills the conditions of Romans 10:9-10 and lives the lifestyle that divine encounter naturally empowers him/her to live (1 Peter 1:23; 1 John 3:7-10).2) The early church was birthed first in Jerusalem (God used Jews and then Gentiles {non-Jews}), and then spread through persecution to surrounding Regions including Rome.3) As it's name suggests, Roman Catholicism has its roots in the early church in Rome4) Jesus Christ is the SOLE & CENTRAL focus of the Gospel/Christianity (Colossians 2:1-14); he is the foundation and ESSENCE of ANY true relationship with God (Ephesians 2:20-21; John 14:6; Acts 4:12)5) In Acts 20:29-30, Paul talked about the fact that leaders would arise who would lead people astray from the centrality of Jesus Christ into forms of man-made counterfeit religions and practices (see also Colossians 2:8; 16-23; 2 Peter 2:1-3; Mark 7:1-13; Matthew 15:9)6) Any religion, denomination, way of worship, doctrine of men, theory, philosophy etc., that takes away from the centrality of Jesus Christ as the ONLY Savior and the SOLE recipient of our love, allegiance, worship and prayer is founded on error (Colossians 2:6-10; Ephesians 2:20-21; 1 Corinthians 3:11; 4-10)7) It is quite possible to start well in the truth and centrality of Jesus Christ and then veer off into strange doctrines: (Hebrews 13:9; Galatians 1:6-7; 2 Timothy 2:17-18; 2 Timothy 4:1,3-4; 1 Timothy 1:3-7; Matthew 24:4-5; 23-24; *Galatians 1:8-9; 2 Peter 3:14-178) The Bible is clear that GOD is to be the SOLE object of our worship and prayer; we are NEVER to bow down or pray to or through any image, object, Angel or man; perceived saint or otherwise (*Exodus 20:4-5; *Deuteronomy 4:23-24; *Matthew 4:10; *Colossians 2:18; *Revelations 22:8-9)9) There is NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE WHERE WE ARE TOLD TO PRAY TO OR THROUGH ANY PERSON OTHER THAN GOD. This is one of the serious heresies that has deceived and kept many blinded and in bondage. ALL SCRIPTURES ON PRAYER ALWAYS DIRECT US TO GOD THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OR THE HOLY GHOST (all of whom are legitimate members of the trinity). A person can pray for you (intercession, supplication, petition, {1 Tim 2:1-2} but should NEVER act as your go-between with God! The established persons to do that are JESUS our advocate/mediator and the HOLY SPIRIT. No ONE ELSE. *(*Matthew 6:9; *Hebrews 4:14-16; *1 John 2:1-2; *1 Timothy 2:5; *John 14:16; *Romans 8:26-27; *John 16:7-15; *1 Corinthians 2:9-13.10) It's those that continue in the totality of the centrality and teachings of Jesus Christ that REMAIN Christians, not those that started off with a measure of knowledge of the truth but veered off into strange human philosophies, doctrines and practices. (John 8:31-32)11) I want to lovingly challenge the presenters of this video and their supporters to (with an open heart) examine all the scriptures mentioned (and any others the Holy Spirit leads them to), ask God to show them what true worship to Him is and live accordingly. NEVER live by what religion and tradition have handed down to you, always verify the truth for yourself; your life and eternal destiny depend on it! I leave you with this: Matthew 22:29; John 13:17. Praying the very best of God for you!
Haha, nowhere in the Bible does it say, the Gospel according to the Pope of the catholics church. So idk where u got that you gave us the Bible. As a Christian, I always believe that the Bible was the Word inspired by God, revealed to prophets and apostles, that ended with Paul, (the last apostle), who happened to die before the catholic church. If there's anything authored by the catholic church in the Bible, I haven't found it. Until then, I'm gonna believe that all scripture is inspired by God. (2 Timothy 3:16). That joke was horrible btw
Thank you for the video, I have this problem a lot and my friends tell me that I am not Christian because I love Jesus through Mary again Thank you for this video. I'm praying for you guys
I love the Catholic church, and I have a bunch of Catholic friends but the whole praying to saints thing just confusses me. It is written in the Bible at Romans 8:34 that Christ is at the right hand of the Father ( God ) interceding on our behalf. If Jesus is doing that for us why do we need the saint's. Another thing that the Bible says in 1 Timothy 2:5 is that Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and man. If Christ is the way the truth and the life why then pray to the saints?
First of all, on 1 Timothy 2;5, first read 1 Timothy 2; 1-4. Saint Timothy is telling us to pray and intercede with each other BECAUSE Jesus is our one mediator, and through Him, with Him, and in Him, we participate in His Work. Second of all, you are in a sense right. We are all being conformed into God's image by Christ; He is the sculptor forming us and making us. "You see, we are like blocks of stone out of which the sculptor carves forms of men. The blows of His chisel, which hurt so much, are what makes us perfect." -C.S. Lewis BUT, as St. Louis de Montfort said on Our Lady Mary: "A sculptor has two ways of making a lifelike statue or figure: He may carve the figure out of some hard, shapeless material, using for this purpose his professional skill and knowledge, his strength and the necessary instruments, or he may cast it in a mold. The first manner is long and difficult and subject to many mishaps; a single blow of the hammer or the chisel, awkwardly given, may spoil the whole work. The second is short, easy and smooth; it requires but little work and slight expense, provided the mold be perfect and made to reproduce the figure exactly; provided, moreover, the material used offer no resistance to the hand of the artist."
Catholics pray to saints asking them to intercede for us. It is no different from you asking a friend to pray for you. This is a very old practice which has its roots in Judaism. Jews pray to righteous Jews asking them to intercede on their behalf. Catholics do the same - Catholicism is VERY Jewish. Jews have a particular veneration of our righteous, likewise so do Catholics, especially their martyrs whose remains were carted off as relics. *Almost every single point of contention Protestants have with Catholics is due to Jewish belief Catholics hold*.
"I urge you, first of all, to pray for all people. Ask God to help them; intercede on their behalf, and give thanks for them. 2 Pray this way for kings and all who are in authority so that we can live peaceful and quiet lives marked by godliness and dignity. 3 This is good and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants everyone to be saved and to understand the truth. (1 Timothy 2:1-4) 1. There is nothing in that verse that supports praying to *dead* saints to intercede. Paul was writing to living believers. We are encouraged to pray on behalf of one another. We are not however told to pray to dead believers. The Bible calls believers in Christ "saints". The Catholic Church teaches that saints are a select group of people that have to go through the process of sainthood. Who do I believe? Definitely not man made tradition... 2. I don't understand why Catholics put Mary on a pedestal when Jesus Himself didnt: "As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and blessed are the breasts that nursed You.” 28 But He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it." (Luke 11:27-28) 46While Jesus was still speaking to the crowds, His mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to Him.c 47Someone told Him, “Look, Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to You.” 48But Jesus replied, “Who is My mother, and who are My brothers?” 49Pointing to His disciples, He said, “Here are My mother and My brothers. 50For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.” (Matthew 12:46-50). Notice how Jesus said that whoever does the will of God the Father is His brother and sister and *MOTHER* Also notice how Jesus said that those who hear the word of God and obey it are "blessed RATHER" than Mary. Mary had other children. Mary was also NOT sinless. Praying to Mary will not make it more likely to get your prayers answered. JESUS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT INTERCEDES FOR US!!!!!! These are just the *many* errors with catholic doctrine.
Asking a saint to pray for you is not worshipping that saint. People say they are dead. They are alive in heaven and can interceed for us. Jesus said when we die we will be "like" the angels. We are elevated in heaven. Its says in the bible we will rule and reign with Christ. Jesus is our mediator between us and the Father. Saints can interceed for us pray for us. Statues are reminders. Hanging on a statue is another thing. Catholic means "universal" Christian. The general Christian considers themselves just bible followers in the fivefold ministry. Like the Protestant denominations-Lutheran, Baptists, Methodists, Brethren, Anglican, Then Pentacostal movement came from them etc. Then i read that the Foursquare and Assemby Of God teach that a true believer would usually speak in "tongues" since its the basic gift if the Holy Spitit. ...And some are emphatic about this. Charasmatic groups started ...like the Vineyard...and Bethel Church which which believe in the active ministry of the gifts of Holy Spirit which they still operate in today. Last groups i notice developing are the Evangelical offshoots of early basic bible mainline Protestant meetings in storefronts , warehouses ,old theaters anywhere they can. Emphasis on worship, missions, outreach and bible . Lastly....Mega Evangelical churches with tons of small group meetings all week long. Music a big draw. Messianic churches are also popping up to accomodate the Jewish/Gentile community accepting Christ in the content of studying the Torah and learning Hebrew because of our Judeo/ Christian roots. Nobody but nobody celebrates Holy Communion like Catholic Christians...." Jesus says " Unless you eat my body and drink my blood YOU SHALL NOT have life within you. People just dont get nor do they understand the Lords Table! When I partake...a power wells up in me...Christ presence is then in me...and i am enabled to to all things in a more directed way. He is then magnified in my body mind and spirit. Glory to Godl Its unmistakable!!!!
Im catholic and i will die a catholic. no matter how many times we have to repeat ourselves to christians of other faiths that we dont worship idols or mother mary or any saint.. y'all still wanna be stupid ignorant and judgmental people. but we would still bear up with your comments on our church and keep praying for all of you who speak negative of us as Christ Himself said "love your enemy and pray for those who hate you"we obey that and we will continue praying for you out of love and we dont hate you. May the peace of Christ be with you all. Love and God bless 😊😄
ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS TRUE ... THE OTHER ARE FALSE AND NEW SECTAS FOUNDED BY MEN. HAVE CHANGED THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST AND HIS CHURCH! MATTHEW 16, 13-19 JESUS FUNDED HIS ONLY CHURCH AND LEFT PETER AS THE FIRST POPE. ACTS 15, 7. CONFESSION IS IN THE CHURCH, WITH THE PRIEST AS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHES AND AS COMMAND JESUS. MATTHEW 20, 22-23. SANTIAG 5, 16. JESUS IS THE BREAD OF LIFE, THE EUCHARIST, BODY AND BLOOD OF CHRIST (THE PROTESTANTS SAY NO, BUT THAT IS WHAT JESUS EXPLAINS VERY CLEAR IN JOHN 6, 56-70) EXACTLY AS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CELEBRATES !! OFFEND MARIA SAYING THAT ANY WOMAN IS ANYBODY, BUT GENESIS 3, 15, LUKE 1, 26 AND APOCALYPSE 12 SAY ALL CONTRARY ... IMAGES: PSALM 115, EXODUS 20, 3 PROHIBIT IMAGES ONLY OF IDOLS, NO IMAGES IN GENERAL. GOD COMMANDING TO MAKE IMAGES FOR THE CHURCH. EXODUS 25, 18 AND 26, 1. 1 KINGS 6, 23. NUMBERS 21, 9. WHERE GOD EVEN SAVED HIS PEOPLE THROUGH THAT IMAGE. YOU CAN READ ALL THIS IN ANY BIBLE. GALATAS 1, 6-10 SPEAK CLEAR OF THOSE NEW CHURCHES THAT ARE FALSE ... IT IS ONLY A QUESTION OF DEEPERING !! What happens is that evangelicals of little education, criticism of what they do not know. That is why most of the famous pastors of the world are becoming Catholics and closing their great churches just to be in this church that is the only one founded by JESUS! Example of that son: Fernando Casanova, former pastor and director of the theological federation, left his church and his great burdens and today is happy Catholic, like Salvador Melara, Ulf Eckman was the most famous and influential pastor of Sweden, he left his great charges, closed his mega church and became a Catholic, Scott Hahn, great theology teacher in the United States, thanks to his studies he realized that the church that JESUS speaks in Matthew 16, 13-19 is the Catholic church !! Alex Jones hated the Catholic Church and like most pastors with little education, he spoke many plagues of her, but he began to study theology and realized that all the early Christians were Catholics and that there was nothing else but the Church Catholic, Marcus Gordi was a very influential pastor, nowadays he directs the channel Return to the house of the Catholic channel EWTN, there he presents the kilometers of testimonies of people who are evangelical and of the other Protestant sects and become catholic. Like Rick Warren, the most famous and influential pastor in the USA. He says he admires and respects the Catholic Church, his favorite channel is EWTN, Catholic channel, he sees mass every day, prays the Holy Rosary, his favorite leaders son Saint Mother Teresa of Calcutta, Saint John Paul II and now Pope Francisco! Apprentices of the most important pastors of the world who have studied, not like the shepherds of the neighborhoods who put a church in any alley and if they study become pastors and direct, criticize and attack those who have studied and oppose Catholic doctrine if they know anything. Let's not be ignorant ... Subscribe to my channel to see more interesting videos and testimonies: ua-cam.com/channels/PQA0iLLJm-NJCYfngzsk4Q.html GOD Bless you !!
Dancingwiththebears you are WRONG. God forbids communication with the dead. Scripture is clear. The Bible is inspired word of God. “the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even the memory of them is forgotten” (Eccl 9:5). Further, Solomon says, “Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the grave, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom” (Eccl 9:10). Even Isaiah records about the deceased that, “They are now dead, they live no more; those departed spirits do not rise. You punished them and brought them to ruin; you wiped out all memory of them” (Isaiah 26:14).
Hey Squad! I actually have a pretty intriguing series in mind. With RCIA classes starting soon, why not do a video on the seven sacraments? Or rather a series on the sacraments. This way those videos can be used in class as a side reference for those who have a hard time understanding the CCC.
Born Again Protestant here, Wanna let you know I definitely believe Catholics to be Christians, I may not agree with all the teachings but You profess Jesus as your lord and Savior, and accept the bible as god's word, so why wouldn't you be Christians?
Fritz Imperial, Thank you. I am a Catholic, and happily so. Of course Catholics are Christians, so are almost all Protestants, so are the Orthodox. Normally we would say that a person who believes in the Divinity of Jesus, and is baptized, is a member of the Mystical Body of Christ, and therefore, definitely a Christian
That is not true. What you are referring to is pelagianism (salvation by works) which is a heresy rejected by the early catholic church. www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/pelagius-and-pelagianism @@victorywarren5342
@@victorywarren5342 You're understanding of Catholicism is incorrect. Good thing im here to gently correct you! What you are referring to is pelagianism (works based salvation) was an early heresy rejected by the Catholic Church. Now we ask Virgin Mary to "pray for us" to her Son Jesus, called intercessory prayer. If it wasn't for the Catholic Church, we would have no Bible to read. Please get familiar with Christian history to prevent the common misconceptions non-catholics make.
The Catholic Saints are actually the TRUE reformist of the Church not Protestants because they have a deeper love for God than anyone else hehehe... 😂👍🏻🙏🏻✝ #RealTalk
Great video guys ! I have a question, what is "The Catholic Apologist", "ReBornPure Catholic" and the two others groups ? Is it like different beliefs inside the church ?
I'm a Baptist, but I consider Catholic's Christians. I'm also the son of a preacher, so I can understand the misunderstanding at times. But Catholics are Christians. Morgans are not Christians because while the claim to believe in Jesus, they also believe he is the twin brother of Satan and that if they are good, when the die they become the god of another planet. Muslims are not Christians because they only recognize Jesus as a prophet, not as the Messiah.
@@erikriza7165 Morgans, are people who follow a man who was a noble in the 1600s. Sir Henry was his name, and he had a colony of drunks in Jamaica. He was a governor down there, and he is celebrated every August 16. Typical celebrations involve dressing up in a Buccaneer, with a Morgan Mule in one hand and a Spyglass in the other. I hope this helps.
At the end,the denomination you belong to doesn't grant you a place in heaven. Only by Grace through Faith ( which is a gift from God) we are saved. The names were written in the book of life before the foundation of the earth was formed. Catholics, you can go to church every sunday and feel that you are a good person, but we all fall short of the glory of God. If its not in line with scripture, its a false teaching!!! Regardless of what anyone says. ( the pope or priests) why didnt Jesus bow and pray through mary during He's times on earth or even tell the deciples to do so when He ascended into heaven. He didnt even acknowledge her as His mother when in Matthew 12:46-50 Jesus said only those doing the will of His Father in heaven is his brother and sister and mother. We must worship the Creator and not the things He created.
All of us say to each other "Will you pray for me?" So praying to the saints is just the same except with the added bonus: they are close to God! Why wouldn't you?
Because you're the saint in gods eyes for glorifying the son. The saints arent higher than you in heaven or below they are the same and we are there as well because to be with God is to be spiritually timeless. God bless and I love you my brother in christ.
It really bugs me when people say that Catholics were the first Christians. The catholic church as we know it today (with all of it's liturgy and sacraments), wasn't around during the time of the apostles. Back then they were just Christians who worshiped God and preached the word, nothing of ritualistic sacraments, nor an exaggerated love for Mary. During the first few centuries the mainline Church was also known as the catholic church (lower case "c"), which meant that the mainline Church was universal; and it was also called the orthodox Church (lower case "o") which meant that it was the correct church. What's a true fact is that this mainline Church eventually started to evolve within it's practices and doctrines, forming into what eventually became the Catholic Church that ruled for 1500 years. 1500 years later, the Church had undergone so much change in it's doctrine and specially in it's practice that reformers started to take a more in depth look and began to question themselves, "is this really the Church that scriptures speak of? They noticed the Church had gone through such a transformation so they began studying the foundation of Christianity, which is the Holy Bible. However, they found that the Catholic Church was miles away from what Scriptures taught. The reformers didn't want to form a new Church (there is and can only be one Church of Christ), they simply wanted to recover the principles of scripture so that we might live according to them and do Church as they teach us.
"One" Church of Christ? Not with the thousands of different Protestant denominations which have developed since the 16th century with their own interpretation of what the Bible teaches. The Holy Spirit doesn't sow confusion and division. The "Reformers" weren't reformers, they were revolutionaries who couldn't even agree on things such as the Calvinist doctrine of Predestination of the elect. In other words, if God didn't choose someone to be saved, that person was damned no matter what. Nothing but heresy!
Yes one church. At least on the fundamentals of the faith there is only one church. The majority of those protestant denominations are divided based on secondary doctrinal issues and government structures. For example, baptists and Presbyterians are both part of the same body of Christ, but baptists are congregationalists and Presbyterians are.. well... Presbyterian...
if you were to go to 1st century christian church "services" would it look like the mass you would see today? or the "service" you would see in your average strip mall protestant church?
It would look like a modern Eastern Rite Divine Liturgy (Mass). Incense, facing East, Altar, perhaps even an Iconostasis, Icons, Sign of the Cross, likely a Church language, etc. Read up on the Divine Liturgies of St. Mark and St. James (both from the first century A.D.). We don't have the exact originals, but we have versions that evolved from the original, and are likely extremely close. Here are some links to the modified texts. www.newadvent.org/fathers/0718.htm www.newadvent.org/fathers/0717.htm
+tim spangler You've apparently not read the Church Fathers. The Church Fathers firmly believed and professed, as is abundantly clear by their writings, that the Holy Eucharist is the Real Presence of God. It must be held, therefore, that the Holy Eucharist is to be worshiped.
when we pray to the saints, we are asking them to basically pray for us been that they are the closes humans to God. I always ask this. have you ever ask somebody to pray for you ? thats exactly what the Catholics are doing when praying to the saints, we are asking for there help. Now who among all the saints is the closes to Jesus ? His mother !!! :P
peace of Christ be with you Christianity is not a personal relationship with Christ. It is a realtionship in Christ with other believers. (John 17:20-23) our Lords followers are all called to be in unity and through that unity we may be one Christ who is one with the Father. This is what non Catholics do not understand. This Unity , this is Asembly of followers is found in his Church Jesus prayed for Unity. God bless you
james Vallance Hey James Peace of Christ be with you I will overlook the fact that instead of a personal answer you just Copied and pasted from Got answers I did not say Christianity is not a relationship. What I said was Christ called us to have this relationship in unity with the rest of his followers, The body of Christ his Church and He only wanted there to be one. God bless you
Question: "Is Christianity a religion or a relationship?" Answer: Religion is “the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.” In that respect, Christianity can be classified as a religion. However, practically speaking, Christianity has a key difference that separates it from other belief systems that are considered religions. That difference is relationship. Most religion, theistic or otherwise, is man-centered. Any relationship with God is based on man’s works. A theistic religion, such as Judaism or Islam, holds to the belief in a supreme God or gods; while non-theistic religions, such as Buddhism and Hinduism, focus on metaphysical thought patterns and spiritual “energies.” But most religions are similar in that they are built upon the concept that man can reach a higher power or state of being through his own efforts. In most religions, man is the aggressor and the deity is the beneficiary of man’s efforts, sacrifices, or good deeds. Paradise, nirvana, or some higher state of being is man’s reward for his strict adherence to whatever tenets that religion prescribes. In that regard, Christianity is not a religion; it is a relationship that God has established with His children. In Christianity, God is the aggressor and man is the beneficiary (Romans 8:3). The Bible states clearly that there is nothing man can do to make himself right with God (Isaiah 53:6; 64:6; Romans 3:23; 6:23). According to Christianity, God did for us what we cannot do for ourselves (Colossians 2:13; 2 Corinthians 5:21). Our sin separates us from His presence, and sin must be punished (Romans 6:23; Matthew 10:28; 23:33). But, because God loves us, He took our punishment upon Himself. All we must do is accept God’s gift of salvation through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9; 2 Corinthians 5:21). Grace is God’s blessing on the undeserving. The grace-based relationship between God and man is the foundation of Christianity and the antithesis of religion. Established religion was one of the staunchest opponents of Jesus during His earthly ministry. When God gave His Law to the Israelites, His desire was that they “love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength” (Deuteronomy 6:5; Matthew 22:37). “Love” speaks of relationship. Obedience to all the other commands had to stem from a love for God. We are able to love Him “because He first loved us” (1 John 4:19). However, by Jesus’ time, the Jewish leaders had made a religion out of God’s desire to live in a love relationship with them (1 Timothy 1:8; Romans 7:12). Over the years, they had perverted God’s Law into a works-based religion that alienated people from Him (Matthew 23:13-15; Luke 11:42). Then they added many of their own rules to make it even more cumbersome (Isaiah 29:13; Matthew 15:9). They prided themselves on their ability to keep the Law-at least outwardly-and lorded their authority over the common people who could never keep such strenuous rules. The Pharisees, as adept as they were at rule-keeping, failed to recognize God Himself when He was standing right in front of them (John 8:19). They had chosen religion over relationship. Just as the Jewish leaders made a religion out of a relationship with God, many people do the same with Christianity. Entire denominations have followed the way of the Pharisees in creating rules not found in Scripture. Some who profess to follow Christ are actually following man-made religion in the name of Jesus. While claiming to believe Scripture, they are often plagued with fear and doubt that they may not be good enough to earn salvation or that God will not accept them if they don’t perform to a certain standard. This is religion masquerading as Christianity, and it is one of Satan’s favorite tricks. Jesus addressed this in Matthew 23:1-7 when He rebuked the Pharisees. Instead of pointing people to heaven, these religious leaders were keeping people out of the kingdom of God. Holiness and obedience to Scripture are important, but they are evidences of a transformed heart, not a means to attain it. God desires that we be holy as He is holy (1 Peter 1:16). He wants us to grow in grace and knowledge of Him (2 Peter 3:18). But we do these things because we are His children and want to be like Him, not in order to earn His love. Christianity is not about signing up for a religion. Christianity is about being born into the family of God (John 3:3). It is a relationship. Just as an adopted child has no power to create an adoption, we have no power to join the family of God by our own efforts. We can only accept His invitation to know Him as Father through adoption (Ephesians 1:5; Romans 8:15). When we join His family through faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus, the Holy Spirit comes to live inside our hearts (1 Corinthians 6:19; Luke 11:13; 2 Corinthians 1:21-22). He then empowers us to live like children of the King. He does not ask us to try to attain holiness by our own strength, as religion does. He asks that our old self be crucified with Him so that His power can live through us (Galatians 2:20; Romans 6:6). God wants us to know Him, to draw near to Him, to pray to Him, and love Him above everything. That is not religion; that is a relationship....... www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiJwtnzvuHRAhXKFJQKHXxoAD0QFggaMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gotquestions.org%2FChristianity-religion-relationship.html&usg=AFQjCNHE41b519WU-uv-U-hRhHT1CKJ6KA&sig2=bfXTd4RRSg65mk9BDwypVw
RELIGION MEAN THE SAME THAN PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD, SO THAT WHAT YOUR PASTOR SAID ISTUPID. ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS TRUE ... THE OTHER ARE FALSE AND NEW SECTAS FOUNDED BY MEN. HAVE CHANGED THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST AND HIS CHURCH! MATTHEW 16, 13-19 JESUS FUNDED HIS ONLY CHURCH AND LEFT PETER AS THE FIRST POPE. ACTS 15, 7. CONFESSION IS IN THE CHURCH, WITH THE PRIEST AS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHES AND AS COMMAND JESUS. MATTHEW 20, 22-23. SANTIAG 5, 16. JESUS IS THE BREAD OF LIFE, THE EUCHARIST, BODY AND BLOOD OF CHRIST (THE PROTESTANTS SAY NO, BUT THAT IS WHAT JESUS EXPLAINS VERY CLEAR IN JOHN 6, 56-70) EXACTLY AS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CELEBRATES !! OFFEND MARIA SAYING THAT ANY WOMAN IS ANYBODY, BUT GENESIS 3, 15, LUKE 1, 26 AND APOCALYPSE 12 SAY ALL CONTRARY ... IMAGES: PSALM 115, EXODUS 20, 3 PROHIBIT IMAGES ONLY OF IDOLS, NO IMAGES IN GENERAL. GOD COMMANDING TO MAKE IMAGES FOR THE CHURCH. EXODUS 25, 18 AND 26, 1. 1 KINGS 6, 23. NUMBERS 21, 9. WHERE GOD EVEN SAVED HIS PEOPLE THROUGH THAT IMAGE. YOU CAN READ ALL THIS IN ANY BIBLE. GALATAS 1, 6-10 SPEAK CLEAR OF THOSE NEW CHURCHES THAT ARE FALSE ... IT IS ONLY A QUESTION OF DEEPERING !! What happens is that evangelicals of little education, criticism of what they do not know. That is why most of the famous pastors of the world are becoming Catholics and closing their great churches just to be in this church that is the only one founded by JESUS! Example of that son: Fernando Casanova, former pastor and director of the theological federation, left his church and his great burdens and today is happy Catholic, like Salvador Melara, Ulf Eckman was the most famous and influential pastor of Sweden, he left his great charges, closed his mega church and became a Catholic, Scott Hahn, great theology teacher in the United States, thanks to his studies he realized that the church that JESUS speaks in Matthew 16, 13-19 is the Catholic church !! Alex Jones hated the Catholic Church and like most pastors with little education, he spoke many plagues of her, but he began to study theology and realized that all the early Christians were Catholics and that there was nothing else but the Church Catholic, Marcus Gordi was a very influential pastor, nowadays he directs the channel Return to the house of the Catholic channel EWTN, there he presents the kilometers of testimonies of people who are evangelical and of the other Protestant sects and become catholic. Like Rick Warren, the most famous and influential pastor in the USA. He says he admires and respects the Catholic Church, his favorite channel is EWTN, Catholic channel, he sees mass every day, prays the Holy Rosary, his favorite leaders son Saint Mother Teresa of Calcutta, Saint John Paul II and now Pope Francisco! Apprentices of the most important pastors of the world who have studied, not like the shepherds of the neighborhoods who put a church in any alley and if they study become pastors and direct, criticize and attack those who have studied and oppose Catholic doctrine if they know anything. Let's not be ignorant ... Subscribe to my channel to see more interesting videos and testimonies: ua-cam.com/channels/PQA0iLLJm-NJCYfngzsk4Q.html GOD Bless you !!
How I am soooo grateful that I have a relationship with my lord and savior and if I need anything I don't have to pray to saints or believe that Mary will intercede on my behalf instead I can go directly to the father to pray, to confess my sins or even just to talk about absolutely anything. Catholics and Christian's are not the same....To be Christian is to follow the living word of God....we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior and all the glory goes to him and him alone ....all the other names simply fade away. We strive to have a relationship with God to be Christ like and live a life of repentance.We do not follow the Pope nor does he holds any authority
How I'm soooo grateful to be part of the body of Christ that is his Church btw. Colossians 1:18 hes the head of the body, the Church. For I'm am not alone, but part of family of member even the cloud of witnesses that is the Saints. We can pray for one another and prayers means "a request" and "to ask" if you didn't know that. Ephesians we are members of his body. I have a communal relationship when I take the Holy Eucharist it is the greatest and fullest personal experience with Christ one can have. As Jesus commanded Peter to feed sheep and strengthen the brethren so does the office of Peter continues with the work of the Lord today. Today the office of the Pope.
@ Stephanie 182. Catholics do not put the Pope above Jesus. It`s hard to be Catholic and follow the church rules. It sure is easy your way. I guess someone wants to sleep in on Sunday morning ??????
To begin, I absolutely agree with the first statement you made regarding having a personal relationship with Christ and being able to go directly to God Himself in petition, adoration, repentance, and thanksgiving. All of this is acknowledged by the Catholic Church as possible and even commendable (the only questionable note being in confession of sins, as mortal sins can be forgiven through an act of perfect contrition, but it also can be very hard to obtain.) However, this does not mean that it is wrong in any way to make use of the other methods of petition established by Christ to give grace and to intercede for us. Continuing along, Catholics also fit to your definition of Christianity, as we likewise strive to be in the best possible relationship with God we can obtain here on Earth. Indeed all glory goes to Jesus Christ, and, according to Catholic teaching, honoring the saints is a form of glorification of God in the same way that honoring our parents is. The very last comment you made is the biggest place in which we come to a disagreement. Christ says in Matt 28:18 "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." If all authority has been given to Christ, why would he be unable to bestow some of that authority upon his subjects, especially if he is willing to bestow authority upon kings, and politicians. Also, if Jesus only bestowed his authority upon the original apostles, meaning that his authority was not passed down through apostolic succession, then Matthias would have no authority despite having been chosen by the apostles to replace Judas. Likewise, St. Paul would never have had the authority to preach the word of God since he was not one of the original 12 apostles. There is much more on the subject of Peter as pope and apostolic succession on Catholic.com. I will place one link below, but by all means you can learn more on your own. God Bless! www.catholic.com/tracts/peter-the-rock
Great discussion! Pavel was a great addition! I am also very glad that Joseph talked more! It feels like he's been a little quiet in previous episodes.
So Roman Catholics were the first Christians?? REALLY?? What about the Eastern church, or the church in Alexandria? Of course there are many denominations of Catholicism even today, right? Was Peter the first Pope? I wonder if he was aware of that. In fact everything that I have read on Peter would indicate to me that he would not be too happy at all with the entire concept. Maybe you should stop reading the catechisms and just read your Bible. You might actually learn about the gospel of Christ.
There are no denominations of Catholicism. Period. The first Christians were Catholic. Roman (nay Latin) Catholic is one particular liturgical tradition and tradition of theological expression. There is nothing called the Roman Catholic Church or Roman Catholicism. There are Latin Catholics.
I am not a protestant. In many of my conversations with Catholics they seem to think that if your not a Catholic then you must be a protestant. I am not. Because I agree with you about some of your points against protestant teachings. As far as Sola Fide and Sola Scriptura, I would say that it is not only Biblical it is historical or should I say the tradition passed on by the post Apostolic leaders of the church. But the problem with Catholics starts from the self serving interpretation of Mathew 16. By the way do you know that many protestant denominations and even Mormons claim the same passage using the same poor hermeneutics as Catholics have been taught. What does the Matthew 16 passage really say? Was Peter really the first Pope. That would have been a surprise to him. In fact I think he would reject that thought completely! The Catholic interpretation is not even close to what Jesus said. So what about Mary and the churches teachings. Was she really immaculate? Really? Where is that in the Bible? Oh by the way she claims she needs a savior! Was she ever virgin? So I guess Jesus' brothers and sisters were also miraculously conceived? Is she a co-redeemer? Well not really but sort of well yes! It seems the more twisted the Cathechism gets. I could actually go n for a while. None if these are Biblical in fact they are anti Biblical. In other words they are against scripture. But what about history. I mean how does the Catholic church teach the history of the church as opposed to actual history. Every book I have read on the subject written by Catholic authors has been highly suspect as far as spinning history to match Catholic beliefs. Like I said before was Peter really the first Pope? He was a Bishop in Rome. Now lets be clear by using English........ Bishop means Elder, right? Oh yeah there was the other Elder in Rome at the same time, Paul, and Peter refers to Paul and his writings as scripture. So who was the second Pope? Are you sure??? How about the third and so on. Things are a little fuzzy there in the beginning as far as the apostolic chain. How about let's go further to the council of Nicea. Who was the Pope at that council? It seems there were a lot of Elders but Pope? Did you know that there was actually a woman who was pretending to be a man who was the wife a pope and when he died she took over as pope for a short time? There is some pretty crazy stuff that went on in Rome (and there still is). But I am not surprised because these are all fallen people, sinners just like you and me. Anyway Catholicism has a lot of issues both historical and theological. I remember when I was a Catholic and how I had on my Catholic eye glasses and could see everything so clearly. Until I took them off and started to research what really happened and what scripture really says. So where does that leave us? Well there is only one Church and the head of that church is Christ. There is only some mediator and there is only one gospel (saved by faith alone). But hey don't believe me, just try reading your Bible. You will not find much of what the Catholic church teaches in there and in fact you will find that many of the teachings of the Catholic church are in opposition to the clear teachings of scripture. I hope and pray that you do look into it.
Zell Thanks for your enthusiastic response. I do appreciate your thoughtful engagement. It shows that you really care about this stuff and that's a good thing! As far as Sola Scriptura of course you will not find those words just as you won't find the word "transubstantiation", right? These are theological terms not Biblical. But there is no question that all of the authority of our understanding of God comes from God's word, the Bible. Peter tells us that men who were inspired by God wrote these things down and they are no open to individual interpretation. Not only that Jesus himself gives scripture the highest authority when he says "Heaven and earth will pass away but the word of God will last forever." Historically we also can see from the writings of the church fathers that they pointed to scripture when making their case for the faith. I have attended churches (even Catholic mass) whereby the person giving the sermon/homily took great liberties with scripture and ended up preaching a message that was not even close to gospel of Christ. They strayed from scripture to make "their" point. I have even attended churches whereby their entire doctrine strayed. I'm sure you can think of a few but please do not think that the Catholic church is not guilty of the same thing, it is! So what can we rely on? It seems scripture itself gives us an answer in Acts where Paul speaks of the Bareans who checked out everything that he was telling them against scripture. Again Peter warns us about these things and again that scripture is given by inspiration of God and Paul says for the very purpose of teaching us. If any doctrine of ANY church strays from the clear teachings of scripture, then there is a problem. There is no perfect church because they are made of imperfect men. But when the church and not Christ becomes the center of the gospel message there is a HUGE problem. Roman Catholics (in particular) seems to rely on the Roman Catholic church for their salvation and their sanctification. Who is it that saves and sanctifies........ the church? Be careful. Have you read 1 Corinthians 1 and 3? I have attended Baptist churches and in my conversations with the pastors I ask them "Why do you call yourself Baptists?" They speak of church government and who provides this and that for them or where they received their training. Of course Catholics give very similar answers as you have referring to Mathew 16 and that it is the original church and so on. In either case I ask people who attend these churches are you going to heaven and why? They will always tell me because I was baptized a "______" (fill in the blank) and because I am a good person and do what my church tells me to do or follow the teachings of my church. REALLY? And guess what? The teachings of "their" church are Biblical! Did you ever wonder how that is possible if they are so different? So you can tell me why the Catholic church is the one true church right? How can a person know for sure? The Bible. So what happens next? The church will tell you that YOU can not understand the Bible and that you NEED THEM to teach you. Is that Biblical? Then why did Jesus send the Holy Spirit into the world? To only teach priest and pastors? I think not! We do need to understand God's word and it should be our greatest pursuit but instead we learn teachings and traditions of men. What did Jesus say about that? Do you know? If we are truly saved (a Biblical word) then we identify with Christ and Him crucified and the Holy Spirit will dwell in us and teach us.... if we let Him. But what will He teach us? He will remind us of everything that Christ taught. Let me finish here by saying of course I believe in the Holy Trinity (although it is not stated as such in the Bible) because it is all over scripture from Genesis to Revelation. We see God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit interacting with humans in order that we may know Him as God. The council of Nicea codified what was being taught and we can clearly see in scripture from the beginning. When I say codified by the way I am not saying that it was the Catholic church. It was not! Do you know what happened at the council? Finally, if you must put a label on me then call me a follower of Jesus Christ and His teachings. I am a true believer in the true gospel of Christ because that is what matters. Your salvation and the salvation of any person relies totally on the gospel. Not the church or the baptism of a particular church but on Christ and faith in him alone and not relying on our own works towards salvation but totally relying on Christ and what He did on the cross. Adding anything to the gospel will separate you from the grace of Christ (Galatians 5).
The term Roman Catholic was used only since the English Reformation and outside the English language no one uses the term Roman Catholic, just Catholic. The term Roman Catholic was used during the English Reformation to denote that there was the Church under the pope and English Church in an attempt to explain the regional theory of the Church in an attempt to support the Caesaropapism espoused by Henry. I do not generally use the word Roman Catholic as this is an invention, rather I use Catholic. The Eastern Catholic Churches are Rites with their own Patriarchs and have their own rites and traditions which they received from the apostles. These are Churches which either remained united with the See of Peter or rejoined the same at a later time. These Churches acknowledge the holder of the Petrine Chair as having not only primacy but also authority over the Church. The day-to-day management of these Churches are left to the Patriarchs (who rank higher than cardinals in honor). The Patriarchs are responsible directly to pope bypassing the Curial offices of the Church. The (Eastern) Orthodox Catholics are in fact Catholic Churches which are of the Eastern Rites which while acknowledging (with the Exception of the Russian Orthodox Church) the Primacy of the Pope do not accept the _authority_ of the Pope. Much has been made in the way of unity and the understanding of the Nature of the Holy Spirit (filioque) that the is for a large part overcome. The sticking point is not dogma or doctrine (which is shared for the most part) but the role of the Pope. Remember that all these Churches are _according to them_ not Orthodox Christians but Orthodox Catholics. The ROC is the only Orthodox Church which does not contain “Catholic” in its name and the only one which has refused to site at the table with Catholics and has been the only one which boycotted meetings between the autocephalous Churches and the Pope’s representatives. The Oriental Churches are not considered Catholic by some Orthodox Churches but are regarded as being Catholic by the Catholic Church. These Churches broke from orthodoxy and are known as pre-Chalcedonian Churches. At issue was the nature of Christ, one nature vs two natures. Even these have for the most part been one of understanding not truly doctrinal. The Orientals accept all three Creedal statements. Some of the Oriental Churches have rejoined the See of Peter since Chalcedon. Every one of the Eastern Orthodox Catholic Churches and Oriental Churches has a corresponding Eastern Rite Church which acknowledges both the primacy and authority of the See of Peter. To claim that Catholics should put down their catechism and read the bible is ridiculous and an asinine statement which does not bare out well in history of the Church. The Christian Church was not built on the Bible but on the teaching of the twelve apostles. The teaching of the twelve apostles has a name - the Didache, which is considered the first Catechism produced by the Church. The Catholic Church existed before “Christians” had a bible to tuck under their arms and waddle off to hear a bible thumper preach his personal alien gospel. A part oral tradition of the apostles was a written down which became the bible - St John speaks to this. The Catechism on the other hand is a reflection of the oral tradition of the apostles giving it a praxeological meaning and is a fuller explanation of the Catholic Faith. If one is to assume that the Catechism is not based on the Bible, one can note that every paragraph within it is based on the Bible. Catholic authority is based on the Apostolic teaching in it fullness which is the deposit of Faith entrusted to the Church. Catholicism in all its Rites has been more than the Bible itself which itself is only an iota of apostolic teaching. If one was to understand this, one can look at the Jewish written scripture (Torah Ketuvim and Nevi'im) but the oral tradition during the time of Jesus would have filled many volumes. The oral tradition is held more important by many orthodox Jews than even the Jewish scriptures as the oral tradition is the correct exposition which gives life to the summary contained in scripture. It is no different in Catholicism. The Bible is a good start, but only a start. Asking that a Catholic put down the Catechism and read the Bible is a regressive statement, a digression from a richer, fuller understating of the Bible important in putting into practice the Faith of the Apostles than which is a mere summary of the Faith. If one wishes to understand Catholicism READ THE CATECHISM! The Catholic Church (include the Orthodox Catholics and Eastern Catholics) as the Church founded by the Apostles reserves the right to Itself to be the ultimate interpreter of scripture. She is its Author, She is its Canonizer and She is its Preserver. The Bible was born in the Church and is a product of the Church for its Liturgical use. Taken out of its Catholicity, the Bible becomes a playground for the heretical cults and sects where every claimant to “Christianity” has in effect become his pope and his opinion his holy spirit.
first of all those saints are dead and dont hear your prayers. Jesus is the only one who hears your prayers. no intercession needed. Jesus said, "COME TO ME all who are weary and heavy burdened and I will give you rest"
Jesus died, did he not? But he rose from the dead and is now in heaven. The Saints are those who died and are currently in Heaven. Yes we can pray to Saints and it is different than having a little chat with a corpse
James Rodriguez Jesus said "COME TO ME all who are weary and heavy burdened and I will give you rest" not to mary or peter nor john. in acts 10:25-26, Peter told Cornelius to not bow down before him because he is simply a servant. idk about you but my hope isnt in a man but in God and He is the ONLY ONE in whom I worship and serve. when im struggling, i go to Him and He makes it all better. plus bible clearly states JESUS is the mediator. forever i will worship Him since Jesus is King and my God
if you're praying to God through the saints because you view the saints as your intercessors then wouldn't that undermine the power of God, the sacrifice Jesus alone made? Let me remind you that Jesus sacrificed Himself by death as the atonement for our sins. So why do you need to undermine Jesus' power and suffering by turning to the saints or Mary. Jesus is the only way. You cant find your way through Mary or the apostles. Jesus is the only intercessor. Jesus is God. You do not need to pray through saints and Mary. They were just people.
When Mary had appeared in visions many time when she begins to pray- she folds her hands...this signifies to us to do likewise. This is a showing of her submission to God... the Father and we should address God like her also. So when i see a picture of Mary it makes me think...im praying To the Father with her in the Name of her son Jesus. i was taught, growing up Catholic, that the word Catholic means universal Christian. thanks.
Why I no longer catholic 1) praying/bowing to statues and pictures: Exodus 20:4 King James Version Thou shalt not make unto thee any gravenimage, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 2) rosary prayer repetitions. Matthew 6:7-8King James Version (KJV) 7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. 3) the pope the vicar of Christ (blasphemy) John 14:6King James Version (KJV) 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Sorry to hear you received poor catechesis. These 3 objections are very easily explained from a Catholic perspective, and it's very clear that Catholic practices/beliefs don't conflict with the scripture passages you mentioned.
Chris Lewis yeah, easily explained from a catholic perspective, but not biblical perspective. Many religions interpret the bible in their own way to fit their doctrines. Just like now there is a gay bible that is modified to fit the gay agenda, its no different from the catholic bible.
+Malibu Beatz I'd point out that since the Bible came from the Catholic Church (via the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, guiding the Church to put the correct books in the Canon), the Bible is a Catholic book. Thus it is totally appropriate that Catholic teaching and the Bible aren't in conflict with each other. only through misinterpretation, either purposeful or borne of ignorance, can the teaching of the Church appear to be in conflict with the Bible. The teachings of the Bible have a distinctly Catholic perspective... to divorce the Scriptures from their source is to leave oneself open for misinterpretation.
Chris Lewis no, the bible does not come from the catholic church. Genesis, The books of moses predate catholicism by 1400+ years. Catholics just compiled different books over the years and made it into one book, later they made a catholic version and pope proclaimed himself "vicar of christ" which is blasphemy. Then they made it so you have to confess your sins to another human being, a priest, although Jesus said; John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." So priest, pastor, popes putting thselves in authority is unbiblical, that's why I don't believe in ANY religion. Only thing you need in the end times is gping back to the basics; your faith in Jesus, your Bible, and follow the 10 commandments. Its your religion's and popes and vaticans opinions of God, Vs The Word of God. Romans 3:4 "God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged." There is no need to debate because I will NEVER agree with your religions opinion under any circumstance, because, every man is a liar But the Word of God is 100% always True.
The Catholic Church compiled the bible into one volume, formally selecting which books belonged and which didn't in an early Church council. So in that sense, it did, in fact, come from the Catholic Church. That's why every bible you're ever going to find from before the protestant reformation contained at least 73 books. Second, there is nothing blasphemous about being a vicar of Christ. Peter was one, even if he were never a pope. A vicar is a representative - someone sent out by a leader to represent that leader. We confess our sins, "one to another" exactly as the bible teaches us to. (James 5:16) The Catholic Church didn't make us do it. Those are the words of Jesus Christ himself, commanding us to confess our sins to other, sinful, people. I also might point out that by the definition of the word "religion", Christianity is a religion. You can't be a Christian and not have a religion any more than you can be human and not have an ethnicity. Only atheists and deists have no religion. Lastly, if every man is a liar, then should we not conclude that you are lying to us? And should you not conclude that whoever told you the Catholic Church altered the bible was lying to you?
I fully disagree with that and I'm a Catholic. I believe all branches of Christianity lead to the same place, it's just you have less tools at your disposal so to speak with branches other than Catholicism
sstroh08 It sounds like you are a Novus Ordo (New Mass) Catholic. All of those other so-called branches of Christianity were founded by heretics and apostates. But if you're contempt in thinking that then to each is own.
How can you say that? Please give me at least one verse of Scripture to back your beliefs up. It is so sad to see how deceived many people are! I have grown up in an protestant home, and there is absolutely no way you can convince me that God is not with me, that He protects my family and I, that He doesn't live in side of me!
There are many Protestants who consider the Trinity a Catholic invention too ... and these are not Mormons or JWs... so do not count on that argument working every time. Catholics existed before the Bible existed...
R. Zell Much of the Bible assumes that the person reading is familiar with much. This is because the Catholic Faith was taught orally during the time of the apostles. The bible itself was a document prepared for the Liturgy not especially to teach the faith directly. Less than 10% of the populace could read at the time.
***** There were not protestants around to write it at that time. Not for the first 1500 years anyway.... and than Luther comes around and says... you did not get it right... lol lol lol
"Having entered deeply into the history of salvation, Mary, in a way, unites in her person and re-echoes the most important doctrines of the Faith: and when she is the subject of preaching and WORSHIP she prompts the faithful to come to her son, to his sacrifice and to the love of the Father...Mary has by grace been exalted above all angels and men to a place SECOND ONLY TO HER SON, as the most holy Mother of God who was involved in the mysteries of Christ: she is rightly honored by a special cult in the Church." - Vatican Collection Volume 1, Vatican Council II, The Conciliar and Post Conciliar documents. Yeah, the roman catholic church definitely doesn't worship Mary. "There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer OR ONE WHO INQUIRES OF THE DEAD, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord." - Deuteronomy 18:10-12. Please, turn to Christ.
One thing I noticed once my parents let me out of their super-sheltering box and I could finally explore the world is that I might have my issues with the Catholic Church, but at least they aren't as salty towards other denominations as most Protestants are towards Catholicism.
Catholics are the only Christians, because only Catholics profess the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ handed down from the apostles. Although the Trinity and incarnation are the two essential mysteries that a baptized person above the age of reason must know to be saved, rejecting any point of Catholic dogma expels one from the Church.
Anton, for the most part I agree with you. But please understand...someone has got to know what they are 'rejecting' in order to 'reject' something. In other words Protestants ...who haven't been taught the fullness of the faith and who don't know what they're talking about when it comes to Church teaching...cannot 'reject' it. They've got to be taught it first. If you teach them...who knows? Perhaps some will ACCEPT it. And that is what we want! Meanwhile, Catholics who have grown up in the Church or who do understand the faith and reject it...THAT is a different matter. God does not hold us accountable for that which we have not been exposed to or which we have not been made to understand.
So you're a strong Catholic right? So you go by the Pope's Doctrine right? His own words say that you should not have a personal relationship with Christ. His own words say that agnostics and atheists can get into heaven right? The Catholic church bows down to Idols it tells you directly in the Bible do not worship idols. It says I am a jealous God do not pray to anyone but me yet all you Catholics pray to Mary and tell your sins to men instead of directly to God. Your religion is total blasphemy
R. Zell Matthew 18:12 "What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off? Soooo.....yeah
R. Zell what i ahve rejected is the catholic sexual abuse faith, and idolatry, sooo...yeah if you can find Jesús in a carved Stone go ahead, Leviticus 26:1 "Do not make any image or form to bow down to it, couse i am the Lord your God".
You mentioned relatives' pictures - so why don't you pray to them as well? What about Mother Teresa ? Now will you also pray to her ? Its kind of lunacy - you are all praying to people to pray to God FOR you ? - that's kind of lunacy. You might as well pray to Abraham and Moses and Elijah because they were also holy people whom God used. But then again , if u look at all these people's lives they were not as holy as you all like to all them- they were sinners just like us - Moses killed a person (not something God told him to do), Abraham lied about his own wife, which nearly resulted in her being taken away by someone else, not to mention, he disobeyed God's will by having intercourse with a maid instead of waiting for the child promised by God to both him and Sarah........ Peter denied Jesus three times, rebuked Jesus not to do something to which Jesus replied "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns." - Paul was a persecutor of early Christians, about Mary - if she was as great as you think as solely the mother of God - then why would Jesus tell another disciple of his to take care of her as he was dying, instead of focusing his entire blessings on her as the "Blessed Mother" ? - why would Jesus choose to ignore her when she came to visit him - saying “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.” Maybe this will help shatter the myth that you subscribe to - what was originally meant to honor and remember saints or men and women of God - you now use them for praying to them for intercession - by the way, don't you ever read the Bible ? That's another mistake Catholics or 'Christians' as you say, make because God wants us to know His will and obey and He speaks to us through His word so why would you box up His word as something to be read exclusively by a priest? Dont u know that as Protestant Christians, we have our daily devotionals and Bible readings (even reading the whole Bible across a year etc ....if u dont have Christian devotional books to help you read and understand God's word - u can always look up online - for example - Our Daily Bread odb.org/ , Joyce Meyer " Enjoying Everyday Life "joycemeyer.org/BroadcastHome.aspx etc.
I read the bible everyday as much as I can as I enjoy it. I am A catholic. And we realize that all Saints are sinners. Everybody is a sinner. That's why Jesus came, to save us from sin and from hell
[Reverend] Pauline (Hutchison) Meyer ['Joyce Meyer'] is a false teacher, no different than 'pastors' like [Reverend] Joel Osteen or [Reverend] Martin "Pat" Robertson. They preach that believing in Jesus Christ will yield no bodily ailments, surplus cash, and luxurious properties. Satan tempted our Lord with those very ideas inside Scripture. I am a Reformed Southern Baptist who agrees with much of what you have said. Nevertheless, the charismatic movement is a diabolical thing. Whether an Arminian, a Calvinist, or some other orthodox branch of Protestantism, people looking to evangelize non-Protestants should exercise spiritual discernment, lest the former end up untrue teachers themselves. My Roman Catholic friends (there is only one such church in town, me coming from southeast Tennessee) never agreed with the aforementioned preachers, either. A sliver (if that) of solid Protestant ministers existing on "Christian" television stations (Trinity Broadcasting Network, Christian Broadcasting Network, et cetera) get drowned out.
While you may be right about Joel Osteen and others, I would not discredit Joyce Meyer as someone who is a false preacher. This is because God has spoken to me many times through her and she does her best to obey the Holy Spirit as far I could see. And hello - I feel like you are talking like a parrot - when u also said about belief in Jesus will yield no bodily ailments, etc - Hello ! you have your facts wrong - judging before finding the truth for yourself - Joyce has preached even on suffering, not to mention she also had cancer. and hello - when u talk about surplus - is it wrong for God's people to have surplus? What about Job in the Bible ? He went through much suffering yet God blessed him more. I do acknowledge that the love of money is the root of evil but you forget those who seek to shine for Jesus so when they are blessed - they choose or hope to be a blessing to others. Have you never heard of Joyce Meyer Ministries - they have been participating in anti-tafficking, refugee crisis, medical crisis in different parts of the world, etc If Joyce was truly a lover of money, why would she support and have such a costly ministry? If being rich was enough, why must she follow the Holy Spirit to speak at conferences and studios nearly every day in a week - " Enjoying Everyday Life" broadcasts are daily broadcasts on Internet, TV,etc ? -joycemeyer.org/BroadcastHome.aspx
If you truly believe that Christ is the only way to heaven and that His sacrifice paid for our sins your are a Christian. That being said I still believe that Catholics have a lot of teachings that are not Biblical like praying to saints because you are trying to communicate with those that are already dead, Purgatory, and the fact that the Catholic Bible has an entire section in it that is not in other Bibles. Also infant Baptism does not grant salvation it has to be a willing turn to Christ.
Catholic are not christian, being a christian is being a follower of jesus. To be a follower of jesus. Jesus said pick up the cross and follow me. Which mean be perfect like him, followed how he lived on earth. That's why he came on earth to set an example. He didn't come say pray to mary or saints, all he want is to people to focus on him only and not saints.
I was recently a protestant and suggest other protestants learn your history. The canon of the bible you read was produced by Catholics. To the best of my knowledge most the new testament was actually written by Catholics. Up until the Renaissance period only members of the clergy were sufficiently educated and possessed sufficient knowledge. The bible wasn't allowed to be read by a lay-person because of the danger of incorrect interpretation. But through the reformation period Humanism and other new ideas emerged and it was too late. Luther didn't intend to cause a schism, he saw corruption in the church and rebelled against the authority and "protested" against it through his cherry picked bible verses. Where as St.Francis was called to rebuild the church rather than protest, by setting an example and shining as a beacon of hope.There are countless arguments a catholic could use to justify over protestantism/ fundamentalism. Although hypocritically speaking, the best we can do is preach the Gospel and follow In Jesus's footsteps. I encourage young men to consider Diocesan priesthood or a religious order. Young women I encourage you to consider a religious order. All for the sake of the kingdom of God. Life here on earth is temporary.
Interesting conversation! Hearing you guys talk about the "worshiping Mary" stuff reminded me of something... many years ago, I was at a middle school baseball game and was talking with the sisters of some of the players. Religion came up for some reason and one of the girls said she was Catholic. The first thing out of the other girl's mouth was, "You shouldn't worship Mary!" The Catholic girl didn't seem to know what to say; ten year old me was just confused by the exchange and didn't know how to respond either. Looking back, it makes me sad to wonder where a girl no older than ten was learning to say things like that. =/
hi, I'm a 20 year old life long Catholic from So Cal. I've been watching your videos for a few months and I would like to know what would be the difference between Catholics, Roman Catholics, & Traditional Catholics?
I believe (although I could be wrong) that just the word "Catholic" describes both Roman Catholics and the Orthodox Church, while "Roman Catholic" describes one who recognizes the Papal office. A Traditional Catholic is a Roman Catholic who, as I understand it, prefers the Pre-Vatican II mass to the Novus Ordo mass--"traditional" in this case referring to their preference for the more old-school way of doing things. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on any of those points.
+Thomas Graf Roman Catholic is a catholic who 'uses' the Roman rite. there are also byzantine catholics, melkite catholics, maronite catholics, syro-malabar catholics, catholics 'using' Anglican Use, etc. they are in full communion with Rome
Matthew 16, specifically verse 18. Jesus said, "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it." I've always been taught that was the start of the Christian church, & Peter was our first Pope.
It depends on what you mean. From the time that Jesus Christ began His public ministry, disciples began to gather around Him, but He constitutes the "new Israel" (cf. Galatians 6: 16) by reconstituting His "twelve tribes" in the Twelve Apostles (cf. Luke 6: 12-16). However, technically, they were just beginning their formation as Christians (which would last throughout His three and a half year public ministry), and the Church did not "start" UNTIL the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, "the promise of the Father", into the Church at Pentecost (cf. Acts 2: 1-4). So that first Pentecost Sunday is the traditional beginning or start of the Church.
I am a Protestant Christian and I found this video and discussion very interesting. Though I wouldn't associate “pray” is simply “communicate”. We communicate with our friends, but we don't pray to them. But other than that, I really enjoy this video and is going to watch other videos you guys made before.
Ah yes, I see your confusion! Catholics do not pray to Mary and the saints they pray to God and simply ask the saints and Mary to pray for us! :) Just like if I was going through a hard time I would ask all of my friends to pray for me so that I can get through the hard time. Hope this makes sense! :)
Adela Deen Who said they were dead? They are just as, if not more alive than you and I. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 We know that our time on Earth is temporary, so how could one who believes in Jesus Christ have eternal life? It can only be because in heaven we are still alive! We Catholics do not conjure the dead when we pray to the saints. (The definition of pray being to ask earnestly. It is not a word reserved for deities. Ex. 'Pray, tell me.' Yes the Bible uses this definition whenever it uses the word.) Rather, what we do is no different from asking a close friend or family member to pray for us.
There is a girl, that, I seldom talk to anymore, but she did something which really upset me, so I refused to talk to her for a couple of weeks. I told her that, even when she tried to contact me. I had a picture of her on my phone, and I would kiss it when I missed her, and I would say "I miss you", and when we started talking again, she told me that she missed me. She told me once, that a song she listened to, because of the way I would sing it, reminded her of me. Oh no, she's worshiping Collective Soul's "Shine"!
Just a note for you guys, "believe" in a true biblical context means "obey" as in John 3 36, to "believe is to obey" and "praying to the saints or even the Virgin Mary, it is a petition asking them (who are Jesus's "closest friends" as they are in heaven and witnesses to Jesus for us) to pray for us as in the "old English" expression "pray tell" means pray = please and tell = inform, so pray tell is please inform ... a "prayer for judgement" is a "please judge me in mercy" (which not many judges do in to do in today's society ...
Josh Alicea not until you become Catholic. It is not meant to be exclusive, but the body of Christ is very sacred and we don’t want someone who does not truly believe that the bread is actually the body of Christ through transsubstantiation to receive it. I’m not sure about confession. I think you could have confession in the Catholic Church without a problem.
@@kellymccabe3904 I believe that the eucharist is the actual body and blood of Christ through transubstantiation. I know it sounds weird to be a protestant and believe that but I read Ignatius of Antioch and it really opened my eyes to it. I don't believe that it can be taken lightly, but it must be taken reverently. I believe that it gives me sanctifying grace.
Josh Alicea well good thing we don’t believe that. Only Christ can save. We respect Mary a lot and recognize her incredible faith and what she means to Jesus
Watch out world, there is an amazing population of young Catholics rising. The Church is great and it's future will be forever great. 💞 love to you guys and peace to the world👍🙏🙏
No, Roman Catholicism and Christianity are not the same thing. Christianity is properly defined by certain doctrines that are revealed in the Bible. It is not defined by simply saying that as long as you believe in Jesus, you're a Christian. Mormons believe in Jesus, but their Jesus is a brother of the devil in the pre-existence. The Jesus of the Jehovah's Witnesses is Michael the Archangel. So, just saying you believe in Jesus doesn't make you a Christian. This is why the Bible tells us who Jesus really is--God in flesh, creator of the universe. Likewise, there are essential doctrines; and if any of those essential doctrines are violated, then a church would only appear to be Christian but not really be Christian. What are those doctrines? The Bible tells us. Let's take a look. There is only one God, and you are to serve no other gods (Exodus 20:3; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8). Jesus is both God and man (John 1:1, 14; 8:24; Col. 2:9; 1 John 4:1-4). Jesus rose from the dead physically (John 2:19-21; 1 Cor. 15:14). Salvation is by grace through faith (Rom. 5:1; Eph. 2:8-9; Gal. 3:1-2; 5:1-4). The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus according to the scriptures (1 Cor. 15:1-4; Gal. 1:8-9). God is a Trinity (Matt. 28:19; 1 Cor. 12:4-6; 2 Cor. 13:14). Jesus was born of the virgin Mary (Matt. 1:25). So, someone who is a true Christian will believe these things and not violate them. Roman Catholicism violates two of them (#1 and #4). First of all, by its practice of promoting Mary (and the Saints) to the level of God-like capabilities, they break the commandment to have no other gods before the true and living God. In Roman Catholicism, they say that Mary is the mediatrix (Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraph 969); Mary made atonement for the sins of man (Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, page 213); Mary is the subject of preaching and worship (Vatican Council II, p. 420); etc. Also, Catholicism violates the biblical doctrine of salvation by grace through faith alone. Paul the apostle, for example, tells us in Romans 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness." But Roman Catholicism denies that and says, " . . . so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments," (CCC, par 2068). Also, consider this: "If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema" (Council of Trent, Canons on Justification, Canon 9). So, even though Roman Catholicism claims to be Christian and that it is the one true church, it violates the essentials of the Christian faith. It goes beyond what is written in God's word (1 Cor. 4:6). It denies the sole and true sovereignty of the living God by promoting prayer to and the worship of Mary. Also, it denies justification by faith alone in Christ alone. It is not a Christian church.
"Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." St Ignatius of Antioch 2nd Century "I would not believe in the Gospel myself if the authority of the Catholic Church did not influence me to do so." St Augustine Against the letter of Mani, 5,6, 397 A.D. "This Church is Holy, the One Church, the True Church, the Catholic Church, fighting as she does against all heresies. She can fight, but she cannot be beaten. All heresies are expelled from her, like the useless loppings pruned from a vine. She remains fixed in her root, in her vine, in her love. The gates of hell shall not conquer her." St Augustine Sermon to Catechumens, on the Creed, 6,14, 395 A.D .“ No one may share the Eucharist with us unless he believes that what we teach is true, unless he is washed in the regenerating waters of baptism for the remission of his sins, and unless he lives in accordance with the principles given us by Christ. We do not consume the eucharistic bread and wine as if it were ordinary food and drink, for we have been taught that as Jesus Christ our Savior became a man of flesh and blood by the power of the Word of God, so also the food that our flesh and blood assimilates for its nourishment becomes the flesh and blood of the incarnate Jesus by the power of his own words contained in the prayer of thanksgiving. The apostles, in their recollections, which are called gospels, handed down to us what Jesus commanded them to do. They tell us that he took bread, gave thanks and said: Do this in memory of me. This is my body. In the same way he took the cup, he gave thanks and said: This is my blood. The Lord gave this command to them alone. Ever since then we have constantly reminded one another of these things. The rich among us help the poor and we are always united. For all that we receive we praise the Creator of the universe through his Son Jesus Christ and through the Holy Spirit. On Sunday we have a common assembly of all our members, whether they live in the city or the outlying districts. The recollections of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as there is time. When the reader has finished, the president of the assembly speaks to us; he urges everyone to imitate the examples of virtue we have heard in the readings. Then we all stand up together and pray. On the conclusion of our prayer, bread and wine and water are brought forward. The president offers prayers and gives thanks to the best of his ability, and the people give assent by saying, “Amen”. The eucharist is distributed, everyone present communicates, and the deacons take it to those who are absent. The wealthy, if they wish, may make a contribution, and they themselves decide the amount. The collection is placed in the custody of the president, who uses it to help the orphans and widows and all who for any reason are in distress, whether because they are sick, in prison, or away from home. In a word, he takes care of all who are in need. We hold our common assembly on Sunday because it is the first day of the week, the day on which God put darkness and chaos to flight and created the world, and because on that same day our savior Jesus Christ rose from the dead. For he was crucified on Friday and on Sunday he appeared to his apostles and disciples and taught them the things that we have passed on for your consideration.“ St Justin Martyr 2nd Century “Follow the saints, because those who follow them will become saints.” ― Clement of Rome 1st Century
So, I see that you are stating that the Church violates #1 and #4. On #1: we do not violate that. Contrary to popular Protestant opinion, the Church does not teach that Mary or the saints take the place of God. NCG did a good job of tackling that one head on in the video. Also, I noticed that you cited Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, page 213, but it looks like you misquoted it. If you read the whole paragraph in question, it actually says something that a Protestant will be hard pressed to disagree with, and I quote: Christ alone truly offered the sacrifice of atonement on the Cross; Mary merely gave Him moral support in this action. Thus Mary is not entitled to the title" Priest" (sacerdos). Indeed this is expressly laid down by the Holy Office (1916, 1927). Christ, as the Church teaches, "conquered the enemy of the human race alone (solus)" (D 711); in the same way, He alone acquired the grace of redemption for the whole human race, including Mary. The words of Luke 1:38: "Behold the handmaid of the Lord" imply Mary's mediate, remote cooperation in the Redemption. St. Ambrose expressly teaches: "Christ's Passion did not require any support" (De inst. virgo 7). In the power of the grace of Redemption merited by Christ, Mary, by her spiritual entering into the sacrifice of her Divine Son for men, made atonement for the sins of men, and (de congruo) merited the application of the redemptive grace of Christ. In this manner she cooperates in the subjective redemption of mankind. Also, Vatican Council II page 420 is not a proper citation of the documents of Vatican II. There is no way to identify what you are referring to there. My advice here is to simply double check, or properly cite, your sources. On #4, Sola Fide, or the Protestant idea of justification by faith alone, simply isn't taught anywhere in Scripture. In Romans 2:6-11, we read that God "will repay everyone according to his works: eternal life to those who seek glory, honor, and immortality through perseverance in good works, but wrath and fury to those who selfishly disobey the truth and obey wickedness.Yes, affliction and distress will come upon every human being who does evil, Jew first and then Greek. But there will be glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does good, Jew first and then Greek. There is no partiality with God." Additionally, the only time that we see the phrase "faith alone" in Scripture, it is strongly refuted in James 2: "Indeed someone may say, “You have faith and I have works.” Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works. You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble. Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works. Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called “the friend of God.” See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. And in the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by a different route? For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead." The passage very clearly refutes faith alone, but Protestants have tried just about everything to get around the force of this text. The problem with Sola Fide is that none of the attempted prooftexts in support of Sola Fide actually exclude works of grace. For example, Sola Fide adherents will frequently quote Ephesians 2:8-9 but completely overlook verse 10: "For we are his handiwork, created in Christ Jesus for the good works that God has prepared in advance, that we should live in them."
How are the church triumphant saints supposed to help us in our faith? Is there a verse or passage reference? How does the Roman Catholic branch differ from the Byzantine Catholic branch in practices and doctrine and how do we know which one is oldest or truest form of Catholicism (Christianity)? I really enjoyed listening to this video. I'm sort of a Christian Relativist since there are good arguments or facts for both Calvin, Lutheran, and Catholic doctrine. I've talked to confirmed Catholics who aren't sure or don't necessarily believe that the Eucharist is Christ's actual flesh and blood. Is that grounds for anathema or are they still "good"?
Hi Terry! We are now living in different states and some of us are married like Ned, Zaira, Amy and even Pavel in this video! We have different jobs too so it's difficult to take time off to travel and meet with each other. Even so, it would be great if something became possible again and we could film new videos.
I don't want this to come off as rude or anything, but I think it would be a good idea to have a more diverse panel discussion and not have one person overtalk the others. Its really nice getting a good balance of percpective from a variety of sources. Four heads are better than one. Thanks for the vid though!
RCC-are the TRUE Christian,founded by Christ (33ad mt.16:18)body of Christ (mystical)Col.1:18-eph.5:23.,given the authority (mt 16:19)pillar & foundation of Truth (1tim3:15)
Thank you for this video. Also, the suggested videos to this video are videos I don't want to click on because they look like they are gonna ruin my day. lol
The problem is that many older Catholics are quick to draw the distinction between (Protestant) Christians and Catholics. I remember my mum and grandparents saying we are CATHOLICS! Also, these days Protestants of various denominations like to collectively just say they are 'Christian' or 'Evangelical' and not Methodists, or Pentecostals, etc. Catholics are Christians, just like Orthodox Christians are Christians.
We don't pray to statues. We look at them before/while we ask for the prayers of saints. As far as "praying" to the saints, the verb “pray” has multiple definitions. It can be done to ask something of God, or it can be an earnest petition to a person. It is a mistake that people believe that Catholics pray to saints according to the first definition, and not the second one. Catholics ask saints and angels in Heaven to pray for them, just like Christians ask for prayer from each other while on earth. The Bible never condemns talking to the dead. If it does, then we need to stop being Christians, because Jesus did it too in John 11:43. It seems as though a conversation with an angel is happening in Hosea 12. Abraham even talked with the rich man who was in hell in Luke 16:22-31. He heard his request to take him out of hell, and to share the gospel with his family members. His rejection was not based on idolatry or not being able to hear him, but on logic and the fact that he can’t un-condemn a person. In Revelation 4:10-11, proof is shown that saints do pray to God. 10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
According to DRA 1899 Acts 11:25-26 "25 And Barnabas went to Tarsus to seek Saul: whom, when he had found, he brought to Antioch. 26 And they conversed there in the church a whole year; and they taught a great multitude, so that at Antioch the disciples were first named Christians." So, when this happened, Antioch was a city, near modern Antakya, Turkey and St. Peter is with the rest of the original Apostles in Jerusalem. Not much really going on in the Rome Church when these "Christian" were just getting started. So, are you saying these first Christians in Antioch aren't really Christian because they didn't belong to the Roman Catholic Church ? How does this work with the dogma those who are outside of the Catholic Catholic have no chance for Salvation ? Just Asking ...
Hey guys i mean this with respect,not trying to trash anybody. I am a Christian myself(neo protestant if it even matters), and as listening to the saint discussion i think you pointed some things about respecting them for their lifestile,and dedication that i think could be absolute ok(honoring our foreruners),but then about 9:30 you got to the part where what i'm understanding is that you are praying to them as an intercesor for you as once they earned God's favour by their lifestile. And just feel like addresing this,as i said i only mean love towards you, by leting this vers here: 1 Tim 2:5 "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus". I understand the concept but it is not really bible bassed, but i would say it contradicts this principle. God's Blessing,Let Jesus be our center of it all!
First of all, on 1 Timothy 2;5, first read 1 Timothy 2; 1-4. Saint Timothy is telling us to pray and intercede with each other BECAUSE Jesus is our one mediator, and through Him, with Him, and in Him, we participate in His Work. Second of all, you are in a sense right. We are all being conformed into God's image by Christ; He is the sculptor forming us and making us. "You see, we are like blocks of stone out of which the sculptor carves forms of men. The blows of His chisel, which hurt so much, are what makes us perfect." -C.S. Lewis BUT, as St. Louis de Montfort said on Our Lady Mary: "A sculptor has two ways of making a lifelike statue or figure: He may carve the figure out of some hard, shapeless material, using for this purpose his professional skill and knowledge, his strength and the necessary instruments, or he may cast it in a mold. The first manner is long and difficult and subject to many mishaps; a single blow of the hammer or the chisel, awkwardly given, may spoil the whole work. The second is short, easy and smooth; it requires but little work and slight expense, provided the mold be perfect and made to reproduce the figure exactly; provided, moreover, the material used offer no resistance to the hand of the artist."
The Catholic Church is very Jewish. Just like the Jews (I am a converso, Jew by race, Catholic by faith). Catholics like Jews believe in purgatory, pray to the righteous (saints) to intercede on our behalf, believe in sheol, preserve the STP Jewish liturgy, preserve the Seat of Moses in the cathedrals (literally chair - for the same effect), pray for the dead, have priests (who offer a sacrifice) etc. Much of what Protestants find off putting about Catholicism has its origins in Judaism. However, keep in mind Jesus Christ came to fulfill the Judaism, not to abolish it. Judaism is fulfilled and preserved within the new covenant in the Catholic Church. Judaism of today is a new religion devoid of its essence and is more akin to protestantism of today. Second Temple Period Judaism (STP) was centered around the temple, liturgy and sacrifice which is similar to Catholicism which is centered around the church, liturgy and the sacrifice. Today's Judaism is very much like protestantism in that it centered upon reading, studying and teaching the scriptures.
If you could, message me because I would like to hear your views on the Donatists and the Novations who existed before or around the same time of the Catholic church.
I respect what you said. I am a Syrian Roman Catholic. I lived in Syria for 14 years and then i came to the USA for few months. Now i am living in the Netherlands. and i have lots of muslim friends and they all dont belive in Jesus they think that its bad living as a Christian and that we are bad people......... I would really like if you go more into this subject. I would love to be a guest to discuss what I've been through.
After I actually read the bible I left the Roman church. I was never taught about baptism of the holy spirit. I was never taught about being born again. I was never taught to actually deny myself pick up my cross and follow the Lord. I was never taught that Jesus could set me free from my sin and I was never taught in a mass how to know and hear the most high for real. When I left I knocked and the door was opened. I learned that the harlot churches and the man made religions can let you know about Jesus but they don't let you truly know him. For narrow is the way that leadeth unto life and their be few that find it. There are certainly not few Catholics. With a celebrity pope and a Richly buildings all over the world this reveals something I wish I knew before. The church of constantine is a deception but the true church is where Jesus is the rock a church that is hated by the world, the true body of christ, a church that cannot be found on the street corners.
Regarding never having been taught in the Roman Catholic Church to actually deny oneself, pick up one's cross and follow the Lord....Thank God that countless Catholic missionaries (priests, nuns and laity) have. They left their comfortable lives in industrialized nations to go to places in Africa, South America and other continents to bring God's One True Church with the Gospel of Jesus's love and the real Eucharist to the needy people there, building hospitals and schools for them and feeding them. Ever heard of Caritas International and Catholic Charities, two of the most charitable organizations in the World? None of these man made anti-Catholic fundamentalist churches don't even come close to what those Catholic missionaries do for the Lord and their fellow human beings.
+Manny Perez Dear friend the reason I don't belong to a church is because I only belong to Jesus. The true church is the body of christ people who truly know and Jesus. People are decived because they believe that the Catholic church is the only way yet Jesus rebuked the pharisees for partaking in such traditions of men and the same is today. Jesus never taught to confess to a priest he said repent (to God himself) He never said partake in rituals. In response to what you had to say about 'catholic charitys, that is true however so do many other organisations and such works mean nothing without knowing the most high for real. In response to your claims about priests, nuns and monks ect these kind of people have a false view of self denial. They spend their lifes isolated from the world in so called prayer when Jesus said be light in darkness which is not the case here. True christians are few they do not belong to the harlot church system they belong to Jesus. His sheep hear his voice
+Manny Perez Also the eucharist, sacraments, praying to mary, purgatory ect are not biblical terms these where invented by the Roman church to decive many. Another huge reason why even if I did follow church it wouldn't be the Catholic one is because of the Paganism. constantine completly took over the early church and filled it with false doctrine. For example Easter - Ishtar a so called pagan goddes to name one of many. Jesus came to abolish this false organised religion system and gave us a new teacher, the holy spirit. You can either choose accept him or reject him, but he is the only way not some church. Be blessed in Jesus name.
On the topic of Saints I think that 1 Timothy 2:5-6 may help because it says "For there is one God. There is also one mediator between God and the human race, Christ Jesus, himself human, who gave himself as ransom for all."I think that because the Saints devoted their lives to Jesus and had a great love for God they act as mediators between us and God for what the specific Saint is known for.
Catholic church = real Church.
No discussion
All other religions think they are correct also.
@@streetrat123 yeah, but they are not. Study and you Will see
@@dayflaubert they say the same thing.
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Say that in Greece and get back to me
I'm non-denominational but I also find this so condescending and rude - when other Christian groups refer to 2 separate entities: Christians and Catholics....like, that's not how this works. That's not how any of this works. :P Anyone who follows the teachings of Christ are a Christian, obviously. It's time we start watching our phrasing and thinking of these things. :)
There are several important differences between Catholics and Protestants. While there have been many attempts in recent years to find common ground between the two groups, the fact is that the differences remain, and they are just as important today as they were at the beginning of the Protestant Reformation. The following is brief summary of some of the more important differences:
One of the first major differences between Catholicism and Protestantism is the issue of the sufficiency and authority of Scripture. Protestants believe that the Bible alone is the source of God’s special revelation to mankind and teaches us all that is necessary for our salvation from sin. Protestants view the Bible as the standard by which all Christian behavior must be measured. This belief is commonly referred to as “sola scriptura” and is one of the “five solas” (sola is Latin for “alone”) that came out of the Protestant Reformation as summaries of some of the differences between Catholics and Protestants.
While there are many verses in the Bible that establish its authority and its sufficiency for all matters of faith and practice, one of the clearest is 2 Timothy 3:16, where we see that “all Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.” Catholics reject the doctrine of sola scriptura and do not believe that the Bible alone is sufficient. They believe that both the Bible and sacred Roman Catholic tradition are equally binding upon the Christian. Many Roman Catholics doctrines, such as purgatory, praying to the saints, worship or veneration of Mary, etc., have little or no basis in Scripture but are based solely on Roman Catholic traditions. Essentially, the Roman Catholic Church’s denial of sola scriptura and its insistence that both the Bible and tradition are equal in authority undermine the sufficiency, authority, and completeness of the Bible. The view of Scripture is at the root of many, if not all, of the differences between Catholics and Protestants.
Another disagreement between Catholicism and Protestantism is over the office and authority of the Pope. According to Catholicism the Pope is the “Vicar of Christ” (a vicar is a substitute) and represents Jesus as the head of the Church. As such, the Pope has the ability to speak ex cathedra (with authority on matters of faith and practice), making his teachings infallible and binding upon all Christians. On the other hand, Protestants believe that no human being is infallible and that Christ alone is the Head of the Church. Catholics rely on apostolic succession as a way of trying to establish the Pope’s authority. Protestants believe that the church’s authority comes not from apostolic succession but from the Word of God. Spiritual power and authority do not rest in the hands of a mere man but in the very Word of God. While Catholicism teaches that only the Catholic Church can properly interpret the Bible, Protestants believe that the Bible teaches God sent the Holy Spirit to indwell all born-again believers, enabling all believers to understand the message of the Bible.
Protestants point to passages such as John 14:16-17: “I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.” (See also John 14:26 and 1 John 2:27.)
A third major difference between Catholicism and Protestantism is how one is saved. Another of the five solasof the Reformation is sola fide (“faith alone”), which affirms the biblical doctrine of justification by grace alone through faith alone because of Christ alone (Ephesians 2:8-10). However, Catholics teach that the Christian must rely on faith plus “meritorious works” in order to be saved. Essential to the Roman Catholic doctrine of salvation are the Seven Sacraments, which are baptism, confirmation, the Eucharist, penance, anointing of the sick, holy orders, and matrimony. Protestants believe that, on the basis of faith in Christ alone, believers are justified by God, as all their sins are paid for by Christ on the cross and His righteousness is imputed to them. Catholics, on the other hand, believe that Christ’s righteousness is imparted to the believer by “grace through faith,” but in itself is not sufficient to justify the believer. The believer must supplement the righteousness of Christ imparted to him with meritorious works.
Catholics and Protestants also disagree on what it means to be justified before God. To the Catholic, justification involves being made righteous and holy. He believes that faith in Christ is only the beginning of salvation and that the individual must build upon that with good works because God’s grace of eternal salvation must be merited. This view of justification contradicts the clear teaching of Scripture in passages such as Romans 4:1-12, Titus 3:3-7, and many others. Protestants distinguish between the one-time act of justification (when we are declared righteous by God based on our faith in Christ’s atonement on the cross) and the process of sanctification (the development of righteousness that continues throughout our lives on earth). While Protestants recognize that works are important, they believe they are the result or fruit of salvation but never the means to it. Catholics blend justification and sanctification together into one ongoing process, which leads to confusion about how one is saved.
A fourth major difference between Catholics and Protestants has to do with what happens after death. Both believe that unbelievers will spend eternity in hell, but there are significant differences about what happens to believers. From their church traditions and their reliance on non-canonical books, the Catholics have developed the doctrine of purgatory. Purgatory, according to the Catholic Encyclopedia, is a “place or condition of temporal punishment for those who, departing this life in God’s grace, are not entirely free from venial faults, or have not fully paid the satisfaction due to their transgressions.” On the other hand, Protestants believe that because we are justified by faith in Christ alone and that Christ’s righteousness is imputed to us-when we die, we will go straight to heaven to be in the presence of the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:6-10 and Philippians 1:23).
One disturbing aspect about the Catholic doctrine of purgatory is the belief that man can and must pay for his own sins. This results in a low view of the sufficiency and efficiency of Christ’s atonement on the cross. Simply put, the Roman Catholic view of salvation implies that Christ’s atonement on the cross was insufficient payment for the sins of those who believe in Him and that even a believer must pay for his own sins, either through acts of penance or time in purgatory. Yet the Bible teaches that it is Christ’s death alone that can satisfy or propitiate God’s wrath against sinners (Romans 3:25; Hebrews 2:17; 1 John 2:2; 1 John 4:10). Our works of righteousness cannot add to what Christ has already accomplished.
The differences between Catholicism and evangelical Protestants are important and significant. Paul wrote Galatians to combat the Judaizers (Jews who said that Gentile Christians had to obey the Old Testament Law to be saved). Like the Judaizers, Catholics make human works necessary for one to be justified by God, and they end up with a completely different gospel.
It is our prayer that God will open the eyes of those who are putting their faith in the teachings of the Catholic Church. It is our hope that everyone will understand that his “works of righteousness” cannot justify him or sanctify him (Isaiah 64:6). We pray that all will instead put their faith solely in the fact that we are “justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood-to be received by faith” (Romans 3:24-25). God saves us, “not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life” (Titus 3:5-7).
@@Stevenowski too bad sola scriptura is not biblical. that means it cannot be infallibly true.
@@Stevenowski there are no verses in scripture that claim scripture is sufficient, because the nature of scripture means that putting that in would violate inerrancy. because unless it was the very last word written, it would be wrong at the time of writing.
also because it isn't true.
@@marvalice3455
Not biblical? Thanks for the "accurate" response.
@@Stevenowski list one verse that says scripture is sufficient for doctrine.
In my country I have never come across this question. Most of the Christians are Catholics in Poland so I hope very few could have such doubts. Thank you guys for your videos. The're excellent. Catholic Church is great. God is great!
Polish people 😍😍😍 they were so nice to me always and they almost like ran across the halls just to answer my questions when I recently became a Christian. God bless all of them (including you ofcourse)
Peace be with you.
Poland! Basically the last actually Catholic country (maybe also a few other Eastern European countries that never went over to the so-called "Orthodox Church").
_Pax tecum._
Yeah, Poland's like, 80 something percent Catholic
Do it Your-selfer Jim 97% catholic
You guys nailed it. There wasn't this question of "are Catholics Christian?" in the early centuries of Christianity, because to be Christian was to be Catholic. As St. Ignatius observed: "Where there is Christ, there is the Catholic Church." It wasn't until after the Protestant Reformation that there was confusion, and we all know who loves to scatter, divide, and lie. We need to pray for unity!
Yeah, in fact, I didn't learn until recently that Protestants believe Catholics came around and replaced the followers of the way. Is'n't that insane? How did they think that?
I do every day.
@@MaryBoy911 lack of knowledge of history. many protestants never read the fathers or don't even know they exist.
"Oh you poor little Catholic. Let me convert you to Christianity." -My Protestant Classmates
Me: Ok sure. Y not. *puts on sunglasses* Bring it.
There are no True Christians but being Catholic. So what are you peddling?
***** Protestant churches are man made with the pride of men. Same pride the fallen angels had when they rebelled against God.
Well lets share the Faith. 1. do you know that the only intermediary between God and man is Jesus not "Mary" and "saints" why do you pray to then?
1 timoty 2:5. Jesus is indeed our one mediator and Jesus does aprove of other to pray to one another and all to pray to him. I can pray to you and you can pray for me. The word pray means "to ask" and "make request". I can pray that you pray for me. 1 Timothy offers prayers, petitions for all men.
2. what? the word "pope" does not even exist in the Bible. Well if you know where the word "Pope" comes from its means Father and how many times you see the word Father used in New Testament alone? The word pope is derived ultimately from the Greek πάππας[1] (páppas[2]) originally an affectionate term meaning "father", later referring to a bishop or patriarch.[3] The earliest record of the use of this title is in regard to the Patriarch of Alexandria, Pope Heraclas of Alexandria (232-248)[4][5] in a letter written by his successor, Pope Dionysius of Alexandria, to Philemon, a Roman presbyter:
τοῦτον ἐγὼ τὸν κανόνα καὶ τὸν τύπον παρὰ τοῦ μακαρίου πάπα ἡμῶν Ἡρακλᾶ παρέλαβον.[6]
Which translates into:
I received this rule and ordinance from our blessed father/pope, Heraclas.[7][8]
From the early 3rd century the title was applied generically to all bishops.[9][10] The earliest extant record of the word papa being used in reference to a Bishop of Rome dates to late 3rd century, when it was applied to Pope Marcellinus.[11]
According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the earliest recorded use of the title "pope" in English is in an Old English translation (c. 950) of Bede's Ecclesiastical History of the English People:
Þa wæs in þa tid Uitalius papa þæs apostolican seðles aldorbiscop.[12]
In Modern English:
At that time, Pope Vitalian was chief bishop of the apostolic see.
3. yeah like as Buddhists and Hindus hehe indeed you are polytheistic pedo-loving roman
exodus 20:3-5 Don't understand what you mean since Catholics don't worship statues with the worship we give to God alone. If you trying the Idolity card then you are already misapplying the verse. Ex 25:18-19 making two graven images of idols made of gold was ordered to be made. Not for worship of course not, but was made.
4"carry the creator in her womb"
WHAT!?😲 how she do that!?
That means that Mary is God!!!
thats is a blasphemy "heretic"!. You Serious??!! You do read and understand the Bible right? 30 And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus.
32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High;
and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David,
33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob for ever;
and of his kingdom there will be no end.”
34 And Mary said to the angel, “How shall this be, since I have no husband?”
35 And the angel said to her,
“The Holy Spirit will come upon you,
and the power of the Most High will overshadow you;
therefore the child to be born will be called holy,
the Son of God.
Catholic Biblical Association (Great Britain). (1994). The Holy Bible: Revised Standard Version, Catholic edition (Lk 1:30-35). New York: National Council of Churches of Christ in the USA.
do you know that those words can send directly to the lake of fire? Its not in my power to do any sending of anybody to the lake of fire. You attack Christ true Church that is guided by the Holy spirit and your balasamy can put you in hot water.
John 1: 1-3 indeed Jesus is indeed the word. Not written on stone and kept in a ark of Gold, but made flesh and carried in the living sinness Ark oh his Mothers womb.
Romans 3:10-12 You have to submit to sin to be none righteous. The blessed Virgin Mary didn't not yield to sin, but yield to God and became an instrument of righteousness. 13 Do not yield your members to sin as instruments of wickedness, but yield yourselves to God as men who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments of righteousness. 14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16 Do you not know that if you yield yourselves to any one as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness.
Catholic Biblical Association (Great Britain). (1994). The Holy Bible: Revised Standard Version, Catholic edition (Ro 6:13-18). New York: National Council of Churches of Christ in the USA.
Robert Hernandez
That passage from Matthew is Jesus telling Peter that he will be the Pope. Jesus is The King and he uses Israeli imagery to describe Peter's role.
Short answer: Yes, of course. As a Protestant, I don't dispute this considering we both hold the central and essential tenets of the faith.
And also....can you do a follow up video about Protestantism as well?
Thank you :)
So.. The pope who thinks he's the represent of God on Earth is a christian ?
Of Course he can.
"So.. The pope who thinks he's the represent of God on Earth is a christian ?"
Is your "he's the represent of God" said in a way that you believe catholics believe the pope is "God on earth" just like the "pharaoh was Ra on earth"? If that's what you believe the pope is, I recommend you look for the actual definition.
Thanks for enlightening us . .God bless!
I wish this video had been around when I was in high school. My best friend in school fought with me over this, as well as a few of her youth group buddies. There was even a little girl I was babysitting who asked me what religion I was, and when I told her she said, "Oh that's like mine, but you worship Mary. I get it."
In their defense, our town was tiny and there were only 2 practicing Catholic families with kids. Thus, only me and 4 other Catholic kids in our school. Everyone else went to the same Protestant church, or didn't practice at all. So I get that they really didn't know. But man, it's nice to know I'm not the only one who was dealing with this issue!
Well spoken, all around. Looking forward to more.
On the issue of saints: I was telling a military friend that it was like a "chain of command" type thing. If you need something specific, you don't go directly to the general. You go to the person who is assigned to the specific need. So, too, with the saints.
Or is that too simplistic?
Can I ask a couple honest questions? What is the Biblical basis for praying to the Saints? What is the Biblical basis for saying that the Saints can intercede on your behalf to God? Isn't the Bible very clear that we shouldn't communicate with the dead?
Alex Guitar; You are absolutely correct! NO communication with the dead! And here are the scriptures which the Catholics choose to ignore! Deuteronomy 18:9-14 “When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you. You shall be blameless before the Lord your God, …
Among other things, Luke 20:36-38. "They can no longer die, for they are like angels; and they are the children of God because they are the ones who will rise. That the dead will rise even Moses made known in the passage about the bush, when he called the 'Lord' the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob; and He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive." When we s pray to the saints, we are not communicating with the dead, but rather we are communicating with those who are alive in even a fuller sense than we are because they are alive in Christ.
Johnny Greene And exactly how do YOU know that YOU are not communicating with a demonic spirit , like King Saul did with the witch of Endor? The saints are NOT raised from the dead yet , so exactly what are you communicating with and where is your scripture for doing such actions?
+Johnny Greene thanks for the honest reply. It seems to me that passage is referring to the resurrection after the return of Christ, would you agree?. Aren't the people referenced in that passage just *spiritually* alive, since before the resurrection they are obviously still physically dead? I don't quite see the justification for communicating with them while they are physically dead, before the resurrection, or any indication that they can intercede to God on our behalf. Hopefully that makes sense.
Johnny Greene Deuteronomy 18:9-14 “When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you. You shall be blameless before the Lord your God, …Revelation 22 ; 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. +
I became a Catholic in 1971 at age 18 and I thank God every day for my conversion. You guys are doing a lot of good work. Keep it up! What you are doing pleases God very much.
I just want to say that I've been a Protestant my whole life and that isn't changing any time soon, but my views on Catholicism have definitely changed over the past year, and this channel has been a major influence in that area. Growing up, I was never fully convinced that Catholics weren't Christians, but I also wasn't 100% sure that they were. But after researching a bit more instead of just going off of what I had grown up hearing, I see it more like another denomination. Do we agree on everything? Not even close! But do we agree on the things that are most important? Yes. And as long as we've got that in common, we're on the same team. One group's weakness is covered by another's strength, ultimately leading more people to Christ. None of us are perfect, and to claim that my version of Christianity is the only one that can get you into heaven would be the absolute height of pride. We can debate the details, but as long as you have made Jesus the lord of your life, I'll be looking forward to seeing you in heaven.
"I've been a Protestant my whole life and that isn't changing any time soon" LOL, Maybe later on then??. I Don't mean to freak you out, but it sounds like you're already in the process of converting. All it takes is an open heart and a bit of humility, and you're off.
"None of us are perfect, and to claim that my version of Christianity is the only one that can get you into heaven would be the absolute height of pride" Oh yeah dude, you're in trouble. That sounds like something from Vatican II.
"I'll be looking forward to seeing you in heaven."
I'll see you at Mass..LOL God bless brother.
good work. the more you know about catholicism the less the arguments against catholicism make sense.
Exactly!!! I wish everyone was as open minded as you!
Oh my gosh this, I wish so many more people would understand this. I'm Catholic, but my Protestant friends can't seem to grasp that Catholics are indeed Christians. Good on you man.
Kyle Hicks wow well put Amen
When encountering similar questions from my Protestant friends, I find it can be helpful to utilize the Nicene Creed to delineate between what is Christian versus what isn't. It shows the common heritage that our now sadly divided communions once experienced and knew. It ignores some of the historical complexities that might be encountered with our Orthodox brothers and sisters but at least it defines the basic tenets of the Christian faith.
Oh I waitet for a video like this thank you :)
Happy greetings from Germany.
I don't think that Jesus will build a Church and then leave it and let it be corrupted by forces of evil. I mean, He was so worried about his flock being confused and helpless (Matthew 9:36). He even prayed for them to be one (John 17:21). Do you think that this same Jesus would let His Church be led into false doctrines that create havoc and confusion among His followers when it was Him who said that the gates of hell shall not prevail against His Church (Matthew 16:18)? That's why I think that the Catholic claim to being the One True Church established by Jesus is logical. Jesus built His Church and, through the Holy Spirit, He will never let it go astray and fall into heresy even for a second. The Catholic Church had been the only Christian Church since the time of the apostles until the 16th century. And if you look at it, from the beginning of the Christian era up to the present time, the followers of the Catholic Church are united, they are One, just as Jesus prayed for them to be. Now I'm not trying to insult anyone, this is just an observation, but Protestantism from 1500s had splintered into thousands of denominations with a lot of different beliefs from each other. In my opinion, this created, and continues to create, division among His followers.
Hi stangerling, Jesus said He will build a Church and it is His Church. He has never left it because the Pope is not the head of the Church, Jesus is. Matthew 28:18, 20 "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth...and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world." Jesus didn't say all power in heaven was given to him and all power on earth was given to the Pope. Hope this helps.
Jesus would not build a church so divided that even races can’t pray together
I know many Protestants who aren't Christian
In other words, all Protestants...
"Now it is manifest that he who adheres to the teaching of the Church, as to an infallible rule, assents to whatever the Church teaches; otherwise, if, of the things taught by the Church, he holds what he chooses to hold, and rejects what he chooses to reject, he no longer adheres to the teaching of the Church as to an infallible rule, but to his own will... Therefore it is clear that such a heretic with regard to one article has no faith in the other articles, but only a kind of opinion in accordance with his own will." -St. Thomas Fr. Aquinas, O.P., Doctor of the Church
Michael Rex Wellllllllll.... Yes.
I reject those teachings of the RCC that I believe to be in error.
Many of the Marian doctrines are blatantly unscriptural and I would be a liar if I said I believed in them..
Travis Johnson
Scripture is not the sole- or even primary- source of Doctrine. Scripture itself admits this (I Timothy iii. 15).
By the aforementioned logic, though,- and with some consideration of history and Theology- it becomes manifestly obvious that it is only possible for Catholics to be Christian.
Michael Rex Aquinas' logic is only valid IF the RCC is what it claims be, which I don't believe it is.
Mary is hardly even mentioned after the Gospels. One slight reference by name and one more indirectly. Paul never alludes to her in any way. He preached "Christ and Him crucified." Period. End of statement.
Mary's role was front loaded in Jesus' life.
I see no reference to the princely monarchical style of Papal authority as has existed for over 15 centuries.
I could go on but it's late.
PS - I sort of agree with your final statement:
Catholics CAN be Christians
Travis Johnson
St. Aquinas' logic is valid. Period. The validity of a logical statement is not determinate upon the beliefs of the person making the statement; in other words, the statement must be judged on its own merits, not the merits of its author.
I remember my one friend saying, "Oh, well, I'm actually Christian" upon learning of me being raised Catholic...like...??
How do you get saved according to the heretical Catholic cult?
Keyon Mackey We aren't bad
Keyon Mackey You're just deceived
NKS_Grace do you think Jesus’ sacrifice is enough?
NKS_Grace ok let me answer for you YES JESUS IS ENOUGH! TRUST IN HIM ALONE!
My 2 cents... And I do say this knowing that I am anathematized by Rome...
While there is much that we can talk about in this video (the origin of the Bible, Mariology, praying to saints, etc.), the claim should not be made that "Catholics are not Christians," but rather, if one is a Christian, it is in spite of their Catholicism, not because of it.
Rome's errors go back to their core tenant that Justification follows Sanctification. According to Rome, justification is a process in which God's grace is poured forth into the sinner's heart, making that person progressively more righteous. Knowing of course that there are two meanings to sanctification - one that simply means "set apart by God," and this has to do with a believer's standing, not his present walk or condition (Acts 20:32; 1 Corinthians 1:2, 30; 6:11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; Hebrews 2:11; 3:1; 10:10, 14; 13:12; 1 Peter 1:2) and then the other meaning of sanctification which is the process through which a man is brought into closer conformity with Christ (John 17:17,19; Romans 6:1 22; 2 Corinthians 3:18; 1 Thessalonians 4:3 4; 5:23). It would seem from Rome's own documents that it is this latter definition of sanctification that must take place in order for justification to be granted to them.
"If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema." (Trent, Canon IX)
Furthermore, Trent declared: “To those who work well unto the end, and trust in God, eternal life is to be offered."
And "It is given as a reward, promised by God Himself to be faithfully given to their good works and merits.”
Salvation then according to Rome is something that one earns “By those very works which have been done in God, fully satisfied the divine law according to the state of this life and to have truly merited eternal life."
The Catholic Catechism requires the following for salvation as a means of imparting grace: sacraments (1129), meritorious masses (1405), church membership (846), purgatory (1030), indulgences (1498), and baptism (1256).
The New Testament is quite clear however about the nature of justification being without, and apart from any effort of the believer. “For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law” (Romans 3:28, 4:1-25, Galatians 2:16, 3:6, 11). “A man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus . . . since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified” (Galatians 2:16). “But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit” (Titus 3:4-5). Salvation is by faith in Christ alone through God’s grace alone, and God then declares you righteous-not because you are, it is not as though righteousness is infused into you, but rather because He imputes His righteousness to you, and because He paid the penalty for your sin. Christ bears our sin and we receive His righteousness. That is the doctrine of justification found in 2 Corinthians 5:21.
Romans 5:1 - Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ…
Justification before God is by faith alone apart from works (Ephesians 2:8-9), and once justified, we have peace with God - this is a statement of the wellness of our relationship with God. If indeed it is possible that we could lose our salvation through some mortal sin, and if it is possible that we could become the “enemy of God through wicked works,” then how is it that we can say that we have peace with God? For a peace that is in constant threat of collapse is no peace at all.
Dear Ones, thank you for this open & insightful discussion. Would like to add to this for everyone's careful consideration. Please take time to look up all these scriptures yourself; don't take my word for it.1) A Christian (definition: believer and follower of Jesus Christ) is one who fulfills the conditions of Romans 10:9-10 and lives the lifestyle that divine encounter naturally empowers him/her to live (1 Peter 1:23; 1 John 3:7-10).2) The early church was birthed first in Jerusalem (God used Jews and then Gentiles {non-Jews}), and then spread through persecution to surrounding Regions including Rome.3) As it's name suggests, Roman Catholicism has its roots in the early church in Rome4) Jesus Christ is the SOLE & CENTRAL focus of the Gospel/Christianity (Colossians 2:1-14); he is the foundation and ESSENCE of ANY true relationship with God (Ephesians 2:20-21; John 14:6; Acts 4:12)5) In Acts 20:29-30, Paul talked about the fact that leaders would arise who would lead people astray from the centrality of Jesus Christ into forms of man-made counterfeit religions and practices (see also Colossians 2:8; 16-23; 2 Peter 2:1-3; Mark 7:1-13; Matthew 15:9)6) Any religion, denomination, way of worship, doctrine of men, theory, philosophy etc., that takes away from the centrality of Jesus Christ as the ONLY Savior and the SOLE recipient of our love, allegiance, worship and prayer is founded on error (Colossians 2:6-10; Ephesians 2:20-21; 1 Corinthians 3:11; 4-10)7) It is quite possible to start well in the truth and centrality of Jesus Christ and then veer off into strange doctrines: (Hebrews 13:9; Galatians 1:6-7; 2 Timothy 2:17-18; 2 Timothy 4:1,3-4; 1 Timothy 1:3-7; Matthew 24:4-5; 23-24; *Galatians 1:8-9; 2 Peter 3:14-178) The Bible is clear that GOD is to be the SOLE object of our worship and prayer; we are NEVER to bow down or pray to or through any image, object, Angel or man; perceived saint or otherwise (*Exodus 20:4-5; *Deuteronomy 4:23-24; *Matthew 4:10; *Colossians 2:18; *Revelations 22:8-9)9) There is NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE WHERE WE ARE TOLD TO PRAY TO OR THROUGH ANY PERSON OTHER THAN GOD. This is one of the serious heresies that has deceived and kept many blinded and in bondage. ALL SCRIPTURES ON PRAYER ALWAYS DIRECT US TO GOD THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OR THE HOLY GHOST (all of whom are legitimate members of the trinity). A person can pray for you (intercession, supplication, petition, {1 Tim 2:1-2} but should NEVER act as your go-between with God! The established persons to do that are JESUS our advocate/mediator and the HOLY SPIRIT. No ONE ELSE. *(*Matthew 6:9; *Hebrews 4:14-16; *1 John 2:1-2; *1 Timothy 2:5; *John 14:16; *Romans 8:26-27; *John 16:7-15; *1 Corinthians 2:9-13.10) It's those that continue in the totality of the centrality and teachings of Jesus Christ that REMAIN Christians, not those that started off with a measure of knowledge of the truth but veered off into strange human philosophies, doctrines and practices. (John 8:31-32)11) I want to lovingly challenge the presenters of this video and their supporters to (with an open heart) examine all the scriptures mentioned (and any others the Holy Spirit leads them to), ask God to show them what true worship to Him is and live accordingly. NEVER live by what religion and tradition have handed down to you, always verify the truth for yourself; your life and eternal destiny depend on it! I leave you with this: Matthew 22:29; John 13:17. Praying the very best of God for you!
Haha, nowhere in the Bible does it say, the Gospel according to the Pope of the catholics church. So idk where u got that you gave us the Bible. As a Christian, I always believe that the Bible was the Word inspired by God, revealed to prophets and apostles, that ended with Paul, (the last apostle), who happened to die before the catholic church. If there's anything authored by the catholic church in the Bible, I haven't found it. Until then, I'm gonna believe that all scripture is inspired by God. (2 Timothy 3:16). That joke was horrible btw
bring protestants on the show
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Literally had this same argument last week!!! It was a lost cause... Thanks so much for this!!!
Thank you. This was so helpful.
Thank you for the video, I have this problem a lot and my friends tell me that I am not Christian because I love Jesus through Mary again Thank you for this video. I'm praying for you guys
I love the Catholic church, and I have a bunch of Catholic friends but the whole praying to saints thing just confusses me. It is written in the Bible at Romans 8:34 that Christ is at the right hand of the Father ( God ) interceding on our behalf. If Jesus is doing that for us why do we need the saint's. Another thing that the Bible says in 1 Timothy 2:5 is that Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and man. If Christ is the way the truth and the life why then pray to the saints?
Those are valid points. The fact is not one single person in the n.t. prays to anyone other than God. Maybe catholics should take the hint.
First of all, on 1 Timothy 2;5, first read 1 Timothy 2; 1-4. Saint Timothy is telling us to pray and intercede with each other BECAUSE Jesus is our one mediator, and through Him, with Him, and in Him, we participate in His Work.
Second of all, you are in a sense right. We are all being conformed into God's image by Christ; He is the sculptor forming us and making us.
"You see, we are like blocks of stone out of which the sculptor carves forms of men. The blows of His chisel, which hurt so much, are what makes us perfect."
-C.S. Lewis
BUT, as St. Louis de Montfort said on Our Lady Mary:
"A sculptor has two ways of making a lifelike statue or figure: He may carve the figure out of some hard, shapeless material, using for this purpose his professional skill and knowledge, his strength and the necessary instruments, or he may cast it in a mold. The first manner is long and difficult and subject to many mishaps; a single blow of the hammer or the chisel, awkwardly given, may spoil the whole work. The second is short, easy and smooth; it requires but little work and slight expense, provided the mold be perfect and made to reproduce the figure exactly; provided, moreover, the material used offer no resistance to the hand of the artist."
Catholics pray to saints asking them to intercede for us. It is no different from you asking a friend to pray for you. This is a very old practice which has its roots in Judaism. Jews pray to righteous Jews asking them to intercede on their behalf. Catholics do the same - Catholicism is VERY Jewish. Jews have a particular veneration of our righteous, likewise so do Catholics, especially their martyrs whose remains were carted off as relics. *Almost every single point of contention Protestants have with Catholics is due to Jewish belief Catholics hold*.
"I urge you, first of all, to pray for all people. Ask God to help them; intercede on their behalf, and give thanks for them. 2 Pray
this way for kings and all who are in authority so that we can live
peaceful and quiet lives marked by godliness and dignity. 3 This is good and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants everyone to be saved and to understand the truth. (1 Timothy 2:1-4)
1. There is nothing in that verse that supports praying to *dead* saints to intercede. Paul was writing to living believers. We are encouraged to pray on behalf of one another. We are not however told to pray to dead believers. The Bible calls believers in Christ "saints". The Catholic Church teaches that saints are a select group of people that have to go through the process of sainthood. Who do I believe? Definitely not man made tradition...
2. I don't understand why Catholics put Mary on a pedestal when Jesus Himself didnt:
"As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice
and said, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and blessed are the
breasts that nursed You.” 28 But He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it." (Luke 11:27-28)
46While Jesus was still speaking to the crowds, His mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to Him.c
47Someone told Him, “Look, Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to You.”
48But Jesus replied, “Who is My mother, and who are My brothers?”
49Pointing to His disciples, He said, “Here are My mother and My brothers.
50For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.” (Matthew 12:46-50).
Notice how Jesus said that whoever does the will of God the Father is His brother and sister and *MOTHER*
Also notice how Jesus said that those who hear the word of God and obey it are "blessed RATHER" than Mary.
Mary had other children. Mary was also NOT sinless. Praying to Mary will not make it more likely to get your prayers answered. JESUS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT INTERCEDES FOR US!!!!!!
These are just the *many* errors with catholic doctrine.
Asking a saint to pray for you is not worshipping that saint. People say they are dead. They are alive in heaven and can interceed for us. Jesus said when we die we will be "like" the angels. We are elevated in heaven. Its says in the bible we will rule and reign with Christ. Jesus is our mediator between us and the Father. Saints can interceed for us pray for us. Statues are reminders. Hanging on a statue is another thing. Catholic means "universal" Christian. The general Christian considers themselves just bible followers in the fivefold ministry. Like the Protestant denominations-Lutheran, Baptists, Methodists, Brethren, Anglican, Then Pentacostal movement came from them etc. Then i read that the Foursquare and Assemby Of God teach that a true believer would usually speak in "tongues" since its the basic gift if the Holy Spitit. ...And some are emphatic about this. Charasmatic groups started ...like the Vineyard...and Bethel Church which which believe in the active ministry of the gifts of Holy Spirit which they still operate in today.
Last groups i notice developing are the Evangelical offshoots of early basic bible mainline Protestant meetings in storefronts , warehouses ,old theaters anywhere they can. Emphasis on worship, missions, outreach and bible .
Lastly....Mega Evangelical churches with tons of small group meetings all week long. Music a big draw.
Messianic churches are also popping up to accomodate the Jewish/Gentile community accepting Christ in the content of studying the Torah and learning Hebrew because of our Judeo/ Christian roots. Nobody but nobody celebrates Holy Communion like Catholic Christians...." Jesus says " Unless you eat my body and drink my blood YOU SHALL NOT have life within you. People just dont get nor do they understand the Lords Table! When I partake...a power wells up in me...Christ presence is then in me...and i am enabled to to all things in a more directed way. He is then magnified in my body mind and spirit. Glory to Godl Its unmistakable!!!!
Im catholic and i will die a catholic. no matter how many times we have to repeat ourselves to christians of other faiths that we dont worship idols or mother mary or any saint.. y'all still wanna be stupid ignorant and judgmental people. but we would still bear up with your comments on our church and keep praying for all of you who speak negative of us as Christ Himself said "love your enemy and pray for those who hate you"we obey that and we will continue praying for you out of love and we dont hate you. May the peace of Christ be with you all. Love and God bless 😊😄
ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS TRUE ... THE OTHER ARE FALSE AND NEW SECTAS FOUNDED BY MEN. HAVE CHANGED THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST AND HIS CHURCH! MATTHEW 16, 13-19 JESUS FUNDED HIS ONLY CHURCH AND LEFT PETER AS THE FIRST POPE. ACTS 15, 7. CONFESSION IS IN THE CHURCH, WITH THE PRIEST AS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHES AND AS COMMAND JESUS. MATTHEW 20, 22-23. SANTIAG 5, 16. JESUS IS THE BREAD OF LIFE, THE EUCHARIST, BODY AND BLOOD OF CHRIST (THE PROTESTANTS SAY NO, BUT THAT IS WHAT JESUS EXPLAINS VERY CLEAR IN JOHN 6, 56-70) EXACTLY AS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CELEBRATES !! OFFEND MARIA SAYING THAT ANY WOMAN IS ANYBODY, BUT GENESIS 3, 15, LUKE 1, 26 AND APOCALYPSE 12 SAY ALL CONTRARY ... IMAGES: PSALM 115, EXODUS 20, 3 PROHIBIT IMAGES ONLY OF IDOLS, NO IMAGES IN GENERAL. GOD COMMANDING TO MAKE IMAGES FOR THE CHURCH. EXODUS 25, 18 AND 26, 1. 1 KINGS 6, 23. NUMBERS 21, 9. WHERE GOD EVEN SAVED HIS PEOPLE THROUGH THAT IMAGE. YOU CAN READ ALL THIS IN ANY BIBLE. GALATAS 1, 6-10 SPEAK CLEAR OF THOSE NEW CHURCHES THAT ARE FALSE ... IT IS ONLY A QUESTION OF DEEPERING !!
What happens is that evangelicals of little education, criticism of what they do not know. That is why most of the famous pastors of the world are becoming Catholics and closing their great churches just to be in this church that is the only one founded by JESUS! Example of that son: Fernando Casanova, former pastor and director of the theological federation, left his church and his great burdens and today is happy Catholic, like Salvador Melara, Ulf Eckman was the most famous and influential pastor of Sweden, he left his great charges, closed his mega church and became a Catholic, Scott Hahn, great theology teacher in the United States, thanks to his studies he realized that the church that JESUS speaks in Matthew 16, 13-19 is the Catholic church !! Alex Jones hated the Catholic Church and like most pastors with little education, he spoke many plagues of her, but he began to study theology and realized that all the early Christians were Catholics and that there was nothing else but the Church Catholic, Marcus Gordi was a very influential pastor, nowadays he directs the channel Return to the house of the Catholic channel EWTN, there he presents the kilometers of testimonies of people who are evangelical and of the other Protestant sects and become catholic. Like Rick Warren, the most famous and influential pastor in the USA. He says he admires and respects the Catholic Church, his favorite channel is EWTN, Catholic channel, he sees mass every day, prays the Holy Rosary, his favorite leaders son Saint Mother Teresa of Calcutta, Saint John Paul II and now Pope Francisco! Apprentices of the most important pastors of the world who have studied, not like the shepherds of the neighborhoods who put a church in any alley and if they study become pastors and direct, criticize and attack those who have studied and oppose Catholic doctrine if they know anything. Let's not be ignorant ... Subscribe to my channel to see more interesting videos and testimonies: ua-cam.com/channels/PQA0iLLJm-NJCYfngzsk4Q.html GOD Bless you !!
amen!
Amen
Dancingwiththebears you are WRONG. God forbids communication with the dead. Scripture is clear. The Bible is inspired word of God. “the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even the memory of them is forgotten” (Eccl 9:5). Further, Solomon says, “Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the grave, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom” (Eccl 9:10). Even Isaiah records about the deceased that, “They are now dead, they live no more; those departed spirits do not rise. You punished them and brought them to ruin; you wiped out all memory of them” (Isaiah 26:14).
Hey Squad! I actually have a pretty intriguing series in mind. With RCIA classes starting soon, why not do a video on the seven sacraments? Or rather a series on the sacraments. This way those videos can be used in class as a side reference for those who have a hard time understanding the CCC.
Oh yes!! I second this statement!
That's a great idea :)
Born Again Protestant here, Wanna let you know I definitely believe Catholics to be Christians, I may not agree with all the teachings but You profess Jesus as your lord and Savior, and accept the bible as god's word, so why wouldn't you be Christians?
Fritz Imperial, Thank you. I am a Catholic, and happily so. Of course Catholics are Christians, so are almost all Protestants, so are the Orthodox. Normally we would say that a person who believes in the Divinity of Jesus, and is baptized, is a member of the Mystical Body of Christ, and therefore, definitely a Christian
That is not true. What you are referring to is pelagianism (salvation by works) which is a heresy rejected by the early catholic church. www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/pelagius-and-pelagianism @@victorywarren5342
@@victorywarren5342 You're understanding of Catholicism is incorrect. Good thing im here to gently correct you! What you are referring to is pelagianism (works based salvation) was an early heresy rejected by the Catholic Church. Now we ask Virgin Mary to "pray for us" to her Son Jesus, called intercessory prayer. If it wasn't for the Catholic Church, we would have no Bible to read. Please get familiar with Christian history to prevent the common misconceptions non-catholics make.
The Catholic Saints are actually the TRUE reformist of the Church not Protestants because they have a deeper love for God than anyone else hehehe... 😂👍🏻🙏🏻✝ #RealTalk
@@victorywarren5342, amen!
Maybe it's a cultural thing but where I live, wearing hats inside is considered really rude. Everytime I see that hat I cringe.
Where are you from? Here in the US it isn't a taboo
i cringe because its a fedora.
it's not about taboo, but etiquette
cssdoritocss just pointed out you aligned with the typical ignorant atheist troll.. and yep.. you sure did
cssdoritocss awwwww. someone's triggered
YESSSS! Awesome panel!! Great discussion you guys!
Great video guys !
I have a question, what is "The Catholic Apologist", "ReBornPure Catholic" and the two others groups ? Is it like different beliefs inside the church ?
Those are youtube channels run by different Catholic college students.
I'm a Baptist, but I consider Catholic's Christians. I'm also the son of a preacher, so I can understand the misunderstanding at times. But Catholics are Christians. Morgans are not Christians because while the claim to believe in Jesus, they also believe he is the twin brother of Satan and that if they are good, when the die they become the god of another planet. Muslims are not Christians because they only recognize Jesus as a prophet, not as the Messiah.
Joshua Wells Morgans? who are morgans?
@@erikriza7165 Morgans, are people who follow a man who was a noble in the 1600s. Sir Henry was his name, and he had a colony of drunks in Jamaica. He was a governor down there, and he is celebrated every August 16. Typical celebrations involve dressing up in a Buccaneer, with a Morgan Mule in one hand and a Spyglass in the other.
I hope this helps.
@@hennessyblues4576 sounds fun. thanks
At the end,the denomination you belong to doesn't grant you a place in heaven. Only by Grace through Faith ( which is a gift from God) we are saved. The names were written in the book of life before the foundation of the earth was formed. Catholics, you can go to church every sunday and feel that you are a good person, but we all fall short of the glory of God. If its not in line with scripture, its a false teaching!!! Regardless of what anyone says. ( the pope or priests) why didnt Jesus bow and pray through mary during He's times on earth or even tell the deciples to do so when He ascended into heaven. He didnt even acknowledge her as His mother when in Matthew 12:46-50 Jesus said only those doing the will of His Father in heaven is his brother and sister and mother. We must worship the Creator and not the things He created.
Renee is gorgeous!
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I've been waiting so long for a video about this topic to be made! Thanks!!!!!!!!
All of us say to each other "Will you pray for me?" So praying to the saints is just the same except with the added bonus: they are close to God! Why wouldn't you?
Because you're the saint in gods eyes for glorifying the son. The saints arent higher than you in heaven or below they are the same and we are there as well because to be with God is to be spiritually timeless. God bless and I love you my brother in christ.
It really bugs me when people say that Catholics were the first Christians. The catholic church as we know it today (with all of it's liturgy and sacraments), wasn't around during the time of the apostles. Back then they were just Christians who worshiped God and preached the word, nothing of ritualistic sacraments, nor an exaggerated love for Mary. During the first few centuries the mainline Church was also known as the catholic church (lower case "c"), which meant that the mainline Church was universal; and it was also called the orthodox Church (lower case "o") which meant that it was the correct church. What's a true fact is that this mainline Church eventually started to evolve within it's practices and doctrines, forming into what eventually became the Catholic Church that ruled for 1500 years. 1500 years later, the Church had undergone so much change in it's doctrine and specially in it's practice that reformers started to take a more in depth look and began to question themselves, "is this really the Church that scriptures speak of? They noticed the Church had gone through such a transformation so they began studying the foundation of Christianity, which is the Holy Bible. However, they found that the Catholic Church was miles away from what Scriptures taught. The reformers didn't want to form a new Church (there is and can only be one Church of Christ), they simply wanted to recover the principles of scripture so that we might live according to them and do Church as they teach us.
"One" Church of Christ? Not with the thousands of different Protestant denominations which have developed since the 16th century with their own interpretation of what the Bible teaches. The Holy Spirit doesn't sow confusion and division. The "Reformers" weren't reformers, they were revolutionaries who couldn't even agree on things such as the Calvinist doctrine of Predestination of the elect. In other words, if God didn't choose someone to be saved, that person was damned no matter what. Nothing but heresy!
Yes one church. At least on the fundamentals of the faith there is only one church. The majority of those protestant denominations are divided based on secondary doctrinal issues and government structures. For example, baptists and Presbyterians are both part of the same body of Christ, but baptists are congregationalists and Presbyterians are.. well... Presbyterian...
if you were to go to 1st century christian church "services" would it look like the mass you would see today? or the "service" you would see in your average strip mall protestant church?
It would look like a modern Eastern Rite Divine Liturgy (Mass). Incense, facing East, Altar, perhaps even an Iconostasis, Icons, Sign of the Cross, likely a Church language, etc. Read up on the Divine Liturgies of St. Mark and St. James (both from the first century A.D.). We don't have the exact originals, but we have versions that evolved from the original, and are likely extremely close. Here are some links to the modified texts.
www.newadvent.org/fathers/0718.htm
www.newadvent.org/fathers/0717.htm
+tim spangler
You've apparently not read the Church Fathers.
The Church Fathers firmly believed and professed, as is abundantly clear by their writings, that the Holy Eucharist is the Real Presence of God. It must be held, therefore, that the Holy Eucharist is to be worshiped.
when we pray to the saints, we are asking them to basically pray for us been that they are the closes humans to God. I always ask this. have you ever ask somebody to pray for you ? thats exactly what the Catholics are doing when praying to the saints, we are asking for there help.
Now who among all the saints is the closes to Jesus ? His mother !!! :P
muslims reject the holy trinity and protestants reject the mother of Jesus. Catholics are lucky, we have both.
at 10:00 where do you get any biblical backing for your wires metaphor? And within 16 minutes why not mention communion and transubstantiation?
"Are non-Catholics Christians?" would be the more adequate question.
Christianity is not a religion. It's a personal relationship with God.
exactly and Catholicism is Political Religion
peace of Christ be with you
Christianity is not a personal relationship with Christ.
It is a realtionship in Christ with other believers. (John 17:20-23)
our Lords followers are all called to be in unity and through that unity we may be one Christ who is one with the Father.
This is what non Catholics do not understand.
This Unity , this is Asembly of followers is found in his Church
Jesus prayed for Unity.
God bless you
james Vallance
Hey James
Peace of Christ be with you
I will overlook the fact that instead of a personal answer you just Copied and pasted from Got answers
I did not say Christianity is not a relationship.
What I said was Christ called us to have this relationship in unity with the rest of his followers, The body of Christ his Church and He only wanted there to be one.
God bless you
Question: "Is Christianity a religion or a relationship?"
Answer:
Religion is “the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling
power, especially a personal God or gods.” In that respect, Christianity
can be classified as a religion. However, practically speaking,
Christianity has a key difference that separates it from other belief
systems that are considered religions. That difference is relationship.
Most religion, theistic or otherwise, is man-centered. Any relationship
with God is based on man’s works. A theistic religion, such as Judaism
or Islam, holds to the belief in a supreme God or gods; while
non-theistic religions, such as Buddhism and Hinduism, focus on
metaphysical thought patterns and spiritual “energies.” But most
religions are similar in that they are built upon the concept that man
can reach a higher power or state of being through his own efforts. In
most religions, man is the aggressor and the deity is the beneficiary of
man’s efforts, sacrifices, or good deeds. Paradise, nirvana, or some
higher state of being is man’s reward for his strict adherence to
whatever tenets that religion prescribes.
In that regard, Christianity is not a religion; it is a
relationship that God has established with His children. In
Christianity, God is the aggressor and man is the beneficiary (Romans
8:3). The Bible states clearly that there is nothing man can do to make
himself right with God (Isaiah 53:6; 64:6; Romans 3:23; 6:23). According to Christianity, God did for us what we cannot do for ourselves (Colossians 2:13; 2 Corinthians 5:21). Our sin separates us from His presence, and sin must be punished (Romans 6:23; Matthew 10:28; 23:33).
But, because God loves us, He took our punishment upon Himself. All we
must do is accept God’s gift of salvation through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9; 2 Corinthians 5:21). Grace is God’s blessing on the undeserving.
The grace-based relationship between God and man is the foundation of
Christianity and the antithesis of religion. Established religion was
one of the staunchest opponents of Jesus during His earthly ministry.
When God gave His Law to the Israelites, His desire was that they “love
the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with
all your strength” (Deuteronomy 6:5; Matthew 22:37).
“Love” speaks of relationship. Obedience to all the other commands had
to stem from a love for God. We are able to love Him “because He first
loved us” (1 John 4:19).
However, by Jesus’ time, the Jewish leaders had made a religion out of
God’s desire to live in a love relationship with them (1 Timothy 1:8; Romans 7:12). Over the years, they had perverted God’s Law into a works-based religion that alienated people from Him (Matthew 23:13-15; Luke 11:42). Then they added many of their own rules to make it even more cumbersome (Isaiah 29:13; Matthew 15:9).
They prided themselves on their ability to keep the Law-at least
outwardly-and lorded their authority over the common people who could
never keep such strenuous rules. The Pharisees, as adept as they were at
rule-keeping, failed to recognize God Himself when He was standing
right in front of them (John 8:19). They had chosen religion over relationship.
Just as the Jewish leaders made a religion out of a relationship with
God, many people do the same with Christianity. Entire denominations
have followed the way of the Pharisees in creating rules not found in
Scripture. Some who profess to follow Christ are actually following
man-made religion in the name of Jesus. While claiming to believe
Scripture, they are often plagued with fear and doubt that they may not
be good enough to earn salvation or that God will not accept them if
they don’t perform to a certain standard. This is religion masquerading
as Christianity, and it is one of Satan’s favorite tricks. Jesus
addressed this in Matthew 23:1-7
when He rebuked the Pharisees. Instead of pointing people to heaven,
these religious leaders were keeping people out of the kingdom of God.
Holiness and obedience to Scripture are important, but they are
evidences of a transformed heart, not a means to attain it. God desires
that we be holy as He is holy (1 Peter 1:16). He wants us to grow in grace and knowledge of Him (2 Peter 3:18). But we do these things because we are His children and want to be like Him, not in order to earn His love.
Christianity is not about signing up for a religion. Christianity is about being born into the family of God (John 3:3).
It is a relationship. Just as an adopted child has no power to create
an adoption, we have no power to join the family of God by our own
efforts. We can only accept His invitation to know Him as Father through
adoption (Ephesians 1:5; Romans 8:15).
When we join His family through faith in the death and resurrection of
Jesus, the Holy Spirit comes to live inside our hearts (1 Corinthians 6:19; Luke 11:13; 2 Corinthians 1:21-22).
He then empowers us to live like children of the King. He does not ask
us to try to attain holiness by our own strength, as religion does. He
asks that our old self be crucified with Him so that His power can live
through us (Galatians 2:20; Romans 6:6).
God wants us to know Him, to draw near to Him, to pray to Him, and love
Him above everything. That is not religion; that is a relationship....... www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiJwtnzvuHRAhXKFJQKHXxoAD0QFggaMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gotquestions.org%2FChristianity-religion-relationship.html&usg=AFQjCNHE41b519WU-uv-U-hRhHT1CKJ6KA&sig2=bfXTd4RRSg65mk9BDwypVw
RELIGION MEAN THE SAME THAN PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD, SO THAT WHAT YOUR PASTOR SAID ISTUPID. ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS TRUE ... THE OTHER ARE FALSE AND NEW SECTAS FOUNDED BY MEN. HAVE CHANGED THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST AND HIS CHURCH! MATTHEW 16, 13-19 JESUS FUNDED HIS ONLY CHURCH AND LEFT PETER AS THE FIRST POPE. ACTS 15, 7. CONFESSION IS IN THE CHURCH, WITH THE PRIEST AS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHES AND AS COMMAND JESUS. MATTHEW 20, 22-23. SANTIAG 5, 16. JESUS IS THE BREAD OF LIFE, THE EUCHARIST, BODY AND BLOOD OF CHRIST (THE PROTESTANTS SAY NO, BUT THAT IS WHAT JESUS EXPLAINS VERY CLEAR IN JOHN 6, 56-70) EXACTLY AS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CELEBRATES !! OFFEND MARIA SAYING THAT ANY WOMAN IS ANYBODY, BUT GENESIS 3, 15, LUKE 1, 26 AND APOCALYPSE 12 SAY ALL CONTRARY ... IMAGES: PSALM 115, EXODUS 20, 3 PROHIBIT IMAGES ONLY OF IDOLS, NO IMAGES IN GENERAL. GOD COMMANDING TO MAKE IMAGES FOR THE CHURCH. EXODUS 25, 18 AND 26, 1. 1 KINGS 6, 23. NUMBERS 21, 9. WHERE GOD EVEN SAVED HIS PEOPLE THROUGH THAT IMAGE. YOU CAN READ ALL THIS IN ANY BIBLE. GALATAS 1, 6-10 SPEAK CLEAR OF THOSE NEW CHURCHES THAT ARE FALSE ... IT IS ONLY A QUESTION OF DEEPERING !!
What happens is that evangelicals of little education, criticism of what they do not know. That is why most of the famous pastors of the world are becoming Catholics and closing their great churches just to be in this church that is the only one founded by JESUS! Example of that son: Fernando Casanova, former pastor and director of the theological federation, left his church and his great burdens and today is happy Catholic, like Salvador Melara, Ulf Eckman was the most famous and influential pastor of Sweden, he left his great charges, closed his mega church and became a Catholic, Scott Hahn, great theology teacher in the United States, thanks to his studies he realized that the church that JESUS speaks in Matthew 16, 13-19 is the Catholic church !! Alex Jones hated the Catholic Church and like most pastors with little education, he spoke many plagues of her, but he began to study theology and realized that all the early Christians were Catholics and that there was nothing else but the Church Catholic, Marcus Gordi was a very influential pastor, nowadays he directs the channel Return to the house of the Catholic channel EWTN, there he presents the kilometers of testimonies of people who are evangelical and of the other Protestant sects and become catholic. Like Rick Warren, the most famous and influential pastor in the USA. He says he admires and respects the Catholic Church, his favorite channel is EWTN, Catholic channel, he sees mass every day, prays the Holy Rosary, his favorite leaders son Saint Mother Teresa of Calcutta, Saint John Paul II and now Pope Francisco! Apprentices of the most important pastors of the world who have studied, not like the shepherds of the neighborhoods who put a church in any alley and if they study become pastors and direct, criticize and attack those who have studied and oppose Catholic doctrine if they know anything. Let's not be ignorant ... Subscribe to my channel to see more interesting videos and testimonies: ua-cam.com/channels/PQA0iLLJm-NJCYfngzsk4Q.html GOD Bless you !!
I'm non denominational, so yeah... hi
I'm nondenominational and go to a Baptist college. I'm basically as Protestant as they come hahaha
jen94 Good on you, keep on protesting against the Roman Catholic church.
Biblical Christianity Y'all are mistaken.
Biblical Christianity I'm not I talk to my cathlic friend all the time who are you
James Ajiduah yeah
How I am soooo grateful that I have a relationship with my lord and savior and if I need anything I don't have to pray to saints or believe that Mary will intercede on my behalf instead I can go directly to the father to pray, to confess my sins or even just to talk about absolutely anything. Catholics and Christian's are not the same....To be Christian is to follow the living word of God....we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior and all the glory goes to him and him alone ....all the other names simply fade away. We strive to have a relationship with God to be Christ like and live a life of repentance.We do not follow the Pope nor does he holds any authority
How I'm soooo grateful to be part of the body of Christ that is his Church btw. Colossians 1:18 hes the head of the body, the Church. For I'm am not alone, but part of family of member even the cloud of witnesses that is the Saints. We can pray for one another and prayers means "a request" and "to ask" if you didn't know that. Ephesians we are members of his body. I have a communal relationship when I take the Holy Eucharist it is the greatest and fullest personal experience with Christ one can have. As Jesus commanded Peter to feed sheep and strengthen the brethren so does the office of Peter continues with the work of the Lord today. Today the office of the Pope.
@ Stephanie 182. Catholics do not put the Pope above Jesus. It`s hard to be Catholic and follow the church rules. It sure is easy your way. I guess someone wants to sleep in on Sunday morning ??????
Stephanie 182; excellent statement! Have a blessed day!
To begin, I absolutely agree with the first statement you made regarding having a personal relationship with Christ and being able to go directly to God Himself in petition, adoration, repentance, and thanksgiving. All of this is acknowledged by the Catholic Church as possible and even commendable (the only questionable note being in confession of sins, as mortal sins can be forgiven through an act of perfect contrition, but it also can be very hard to obtain.) However, this does not mean that it is wrong in any way to make use of the other methods of petition established by Christ to give grace and to intercede for us. Continuing along, Catholics also fit to your definition of Christianity, as we likewise strive to be in the best possible relationship with God we can obtain here on Earth. Indeed all glory goes to Jesus Christ, and, according to Catholic teaching, honoring the saints is a form of glorification of God in the same way that honoring our parents is. The very last comment you made is the biggest place in which we come to a disagreement. Christ says in Matt 28:18 "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." If all authority has been given to Christ, why would he be unable to bestow some of that authority upon his subjects, especially if he is willing to bestow authority upon kings, and politicians. Also, if Jesus only bestowed his authority upon the original apostles, meaning that his authority was not passed down through apostolic succession, then Matthias would have no authority despite having been chosen by the apostles to replace Judas. Likewise, St. Paul would never have had the authority to preach the word of God since he was not one of the original 12 apostles. There is much more on the subject of Peter as pope and apostolic succession on Catholic.com. I will place one link below, but by all means you can learn more on your own. God Bless! www.catholic.com/tracts/peter-the-rock
tim spangler People have been asking the intercession of saints since the second century
Great discussion! Pavel was a great addition! I am also very glad that Joseph talked more! It feels like he's been a little quiet in previous episodes.
It's the chair. He's sitting in David's leader chair and David's in Joseph's quiet chair. :)
I am a Catholic and I am interested to learn more about catholicism prior to November 21, 1964. will you guys post videos on it?
So Roman Catholics were the first Christians?? REALLY?? What about the Eastern church, or the church in Alexandria? Of course there are many denominations of Catholicism even today, right? Was Peter the first Pope? I wonder if he was aware of that. In fact everything that I have read on Peter would indicate to me that he would not be too happy at all with the entire concept. Maybe you should stop reading the catechisms and just read your Bible. You might actually learn about the gospel of Christ.
There are no denominations of Catholicism. Period.
The first Christians were Catholic. Roman (nay Latin) Catholic is one particular liturgical tradition and tradition of theological expression. There is nothing called the Roman Catholic Church or Roman Catholicism. There are Latin Catholics.
So are you saying that the first Christians were "latin" Catholics?
I am not a protestant. In many of my conversations with Catholics they seem to think that if your not a Catholic then you must be a protestant. I am not. Because I agree with you about some of your points against protestant teachings. As far as Sola Fide and Sola Scriptura, I would say that it is not only Biblical it is historical or should I say the tradition passed on by the post Apostolic leaders of the church.
But the problem with Catholics starts from the self serving interpretation of Mathew 16. By the way do you know that many protestant denominations and even Mormons claim the same passage using the same poor hermeneutics as Catholics have been taught. What does the Matthew 16 passage really say? Was Peter really the first Pope. That would have been a surprise to him. In fact I think he would reject that thought completely! The Catholic interpretation is not even close to what Jesus said.
So what about Mary and the churches teachings. Was she really immaculate? Really? Where is that in the Bible? Oh by the way she claims she needs a savior! Was she ever virgin? So I guess Jesus' brothers and sisters were also miraculously conceived? Is she a co-redeemer? Well not really but sort of well yes! It seems the more twisted the Cathechism gets. I could actually go n for a while. None if these are Biblical in fact they are anti Biblical. In other words they are against scripture.
But what about history. I mean how does the Catholic church teach the history of the church as opposed to actual history. Every book I have read on the subject written by Catholic authors has been highly suspect as far as spinning history to match Catholic beliefs. Like I said before was Peter really the first Pope? He was a Bishop in Rome. Now lets be clear by using English........ Bishop means Elder, right? Oh yeah there was the other Elder in Rome at the same time, Paul, and Peter refers to Paul and his writings as scripture.
So who was the second Pope? Are you sure??? How about the third and so on. Things are a little fuzzy there in the beginning as far as the apostolic chain. How about let's go further to the council of Nicea. Who was the Pope at that council? It seems there were a lot of Elders but Pope? Did you know that there was actually a woman who was pretending to be a man who was the wife a pope and when he died she took over as pope for a short time? There is some pretty crazy stuff that went on in Rome (and there still is). But I am not surprised because these are all fallen people, sinners just like you and me.
Anyway Catholicism has a lot of issues both historical and theological. I remember when I was a Catholic and how I had on my Catholic eye glasses and could see everything so clearly. Until I took them off and started to research what really happened and what scripture really says.
So where does that leave us? Well there is only one Church and the head of that church is Christ. There is only some mediator and there is only one gospel (saved by faith alone). But hey don't believe me, just try reading your Bible. You will not find much of what the Catholic church teaches in there and in fact you will find that many of the teachings of the Catholic church are in opposition to the clear teachings of scripture. I hope and pray that you do look into it.
Zell Thanks for your enthusiastic response. I do appreciate your thoughtful engagement. It shows that you really care about this stuff and that's a good thing! As far as Sola Scriptura of course you will not find those words just as you won't find the word "transubstantiation", right? These are theological terms not Biblical. But there is no question that all of the authority of our understanding of God comes from God's word, the Bible. Peter tells us that men who were inspired by God wrote these things down and they are no open to individual interpretation. Not only that Jesus himself gives scripture the highest authority when he says "Heaven and earth will pass away but the word of God will last forever." Historically we also can see from the writings of the church fathers that they pointed to scripture when making their case for the faith.
I have attended churches (even Catholic mass) whereby the person giving the sermon/homily took great liberties with scripture and ended up preaching a message that was not even close to gospel of Christ. They strayed from scripture to make "their" point. I have even attended churches whereby their entire doctrine strayed. I'm sure you can think of a few but please do not think that the Catholic church is not guilty of the same thing, it is!
So what can we rely on? It seems scripture itself gives us an answer in Acts where Paul speaks of the Bareans who checked out everything that he was telling them against scripture. Again Peter warns us about these things and again that scripture is given by inspiration of God and Paul says for the very purpose of teaching us.
If any doctrine of ANY church strays from the clear teachings of scripture, then there is a problem. There is no perfect church because they are made of imperfect men. But when the church and not Christ becomes the center of the gospel message there is a HUGE problem. Roman Catholics (in particular) seems to rely on the Roman Catholic church for their salvation and their sanctification. Who is it that saves and sanctifies........ the church? Be careful.
Have you read 1 Corinthians 1 and 3? I have attended Baptist churches and in my conversations with the pastors I ask them "Why do you call yourself Baptists?" They speak of church government and who provides this and that for them or where they received their training. Of course Catholics give very similar answers as you have referring to Mathew 16 and that it is the original church and so on.
In either case I ask people who attend these churches are you going to heaven and why? They will always tell me because I was baptized a "______" (fill in the blank) and because I am a good person and do what my church tells me to do or follow the teachings of my church. REALLY? And guess what? The teachings of "their" church are Biblical! Did you ever wonder how that is possible if they are so different? So you can tell me why the Catholic church is the one true church right? How can a person know for sure? The Bible.
So what happens next? The church will tell you that YOU can not understand the Bible and that you NEED THEM to teach you. Is that Biblical? Then why did Jesus send the Holy Spirit into the world? To only teach priest and pastors? I think not! We do need to understand God's word and it should be our greatest pursuit but instead we learn teachings and traditions of men. What did Jesus say about that? Do you know?
If we are truly saved (a Biblical word) then we identify with Christ and Him crucified and the Holy Spirit will dwell in us and teach us.... if we let Him. But what will He teach us? He will remind us of everything that Christ taught.
Let me finish here by saying of course I believe in the Holy Trinity (although it is not stated as such in the Bible) because it is all over scripture from Genesis to Revelation. We see God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit interacting with humans in order that we may know Him as God. The council of Nicea codified what was being taught and we can clearly see in scripture from the beginning. When I say codified by the way I am not saying that it was the Catholic church. It was not! Do you know what happened at the council?
Finally, if you must put a label on me then call me a follower of Jesus Christ and His teachings. I am a true believer in the true gospel of Christ because that is what matters. Your salvation and the salvation of any person relies totally on the gospel. Not the church or the baptism of a particular church but on Christ and faith in him alone and not relying on our own works towards salvation but totally relying on Christ and what He did on the cross. Adding anything to the gospel will separate you from the grace of Christ (Galatians 5).
The term Roman Catholic was used only since the English Reformation and outside the English language no one uses the term Roman Catholic, just Catholic. The term Roman Catholic was used during the English Reformation to denote that there was the Church under the pope and English Church in an attempt to explain the regional theory of the Church in an attempt to support the Caesaropapism espoused by Henry. I do not generally use the word Roman Catholic as this is an invention, rather I use Catholic.
The Eastern Catholic Churches are Rites with their own Patriarchs and have their own rites and traditions which they received from the apostles. These are Churches which either remained united with the See of Peter or rejoined the same at a later time. These Churches acknowledge the holder of the Petrine Chair as having not only primacy but also authority over the Church. The day-to-day management of these Churches are left to the Patriarchs (who rank higher than cardinals in honor). The Patriarchs are responsible directly to pope bypassing the Curial offices of the Church.
The (Eastern) Orthodox Catholics are in fact Catholic Churches which are of the Eastern Rites which while acknowledging (with the Exception of the Russian Orthodox Church) the Primacy of the Pope do not accept the _authority_ of the Pope. Much has been made in the way of unity and the understanding of the Nature of the Holy Spirit (filioque) that the is for a large part overcome. The sticking point is not dogma or doctrine (which is shared for the most part) but the role of the Pope. Remember that all these Churches are _according to them_ not Orthodox Christians but Orthodox Catholics.
The ROC is the only Orthodox Church which does not contain “Catholic” in its name and the only one which has refused to site at the table with Catholics and has been the only one which boycotted meetings between the autocephalous Churches and the Pope’s representatives.
The Oriental Churches are not considered Catholic by some Orthodox Churches but are regarded as being Catholic by the Catholic Church. These Churches broke from orthodoxy and are known as pre-Chalcedonian Churches. At issue was the nature of Christ, one nature vs two natures. Even these have for the most part been one of understanding not truly doctrinal. The Orientals accept all three Creedal statements. Some of the Oriental Churches have rejoined the See of Peter since Chalcedon.
Every one of the Eastern Orthodox Catholic Churches and Oriental Churches has a corresponding Eastern Rite Church which acknowledges both the primacy and authority of the See of Peter.
To claim that Catholics should put down their catechism and read the bible is ridiculous and an asinine statement which does not bare out well in history of the Church. The Christian Church was not built on the Bible but on the teaching of the twelve apostles. The teaching of the twelve apostles has a name - the Didache, which is considered the first Catechism produced by the Church.
The Catholic Church existed before “Christians” had a bible to tuck under their arms and waddle off to hear a bible thumper preach his personal alien gospel. A part oral tradition of the apostles was a written down which became the bible - St John speaks to this. The Catechism on the other hand is a reflection of the oral tradition of the apostles giving it a praxeological meaning and is a fuller explanation of the Catholic Faith. If one is to assume that the Catechism is not based on the Bible, one can note that every paragraph within it is based on the Bible.
Catholic authority is based on the Apostolic teaching in it fullness which is the deposit of Faith entrusted to the Church. Catholicism in all its Rites has been more than the Bible itself which itself is only an iota of apostolic teaching. If one was to understand this, one can look at the Jewish written scripture (Torah Ketuvim and Nevi'im) but the oral tradition during the time of Jesus would have filled many volumes. The oral tradition is held more important by many orthodox Jews than even the Jewish scriptures as the oral tradition is the correct exposition which gives life to the summary contained in scripture. It is no different in Catholicism. The Bible is a good start, but only a start. Asking that a Catholic put down the Catechism and read the Bible is a regressive statement, a digression from a richer, fuller understating of the Bible important in putting into practice the Faith of the Apostles than which is a mere summary of the Faith. If one wishes to understand Catholicism READ THE CATECHISM!
The Catholic Church (include the Orthodox Catholics and Eastern Catholics) as the Church founded by the Apostles reserves the right to Itself to be the ultimate interpreter of scripture. She is its Author, She is its Canonizer and She is its Preserver. The Bible was born in the Church and is a product of the Church for its Liturgical use. Taken out of its Catholicity, the Bible becomes a playground for the heretical cults and sects where every claimant to “Christianity” has in effect become his pope and his opinion his holy spirit.
first of all those saints are dead and dont hear your prayers. Jesus is the only one who hears your prayers. no intercession needed. Jesus said, "COME TO ME all who are weary and heavy burdened and I will give you rest"
If you go back into history, the saints were actually made to be similar to the gods the people worshipped
Jesus died, did he not? But he rose from the dead and is now in heaven. The Saints are those who died and are currently in Heaven. Yes we can pray to Saints and it is different than having a little chat with a corpse
James Rodriguez Jesus said "COME TO ME all who are weary and heavy burdened and I will give you rest" not to mary or peter nor john.
in acts 10:25-26, Peter told Cornelius to not bow down before him because he is simply a servant. idk about you but my hope isnt in a man but in God and He is the ONLY ONE in whom I worship and serve. when im struggling, i go to Him and He makes it all better. plus bible clearly states JESUS is the mediator. forever i will worship Him since Jesus is King and my God
How insulting
if you're praying to God through the saints because you view the saints as your intercessors then wouldn't that undermine the power of God, the sacrifice Jesus alone made? Let me remind you that Jesus sacrificed Himself by death as the atonement for our sins. So why do you need to undermine Jesus' power and suffering by turning to the saints or Mary. Jesus is the only way. You cant find your way through Mary or the apostles. Jesus is the only intercessor. Jesus is God. You do not need to pray through saints and Mary. They were just people.
Say that to God.
Aileen Styles Payne Malik Horan Tomlison What do you mean by that? God has no intercessors but his Son.
R. Zell No.
R. Zell Ok, then ask me one right here. I'm chatting with more than 5 people, questions can be forgotten...
Jesus is the only Intercessor to the Father. Not Mary or Saints or Priests. Simples.
what do yall think of N.T. Wright?
When Mary had appeared in visions many time when she begins to pray- she folds her hands...this signifies to us to do likewise. This is a showing of her submission to God... the Father and we should address God like her also. So when i see a picture of Mary it makes me think...im praying To the Father with her in the Name of her son Jesus. i was taught, growing up Catholic, that the word Catholic means universal Christian. thanks.
Why I no longer catholic
1) praying/bowing to statues and pictures:
Exodus 20:4
King James Version
Thou shalt not make unto thee any gravenimage, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
2) rosary prayer repetitions.
Matthew 6:7-8King James Version (KJV)
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
3) the pope the vicar of Christ (blasphemy)
John 14:6King James Version (KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Sorry to hear you received poor catechesis. These 3 objections are very easily explained from a Catholic perspective, and it's very clear that Catholic practices/beliefs don't conflict with the scripture passages you mentioned.
Chris Lewis yeah, easily explained from a catholic perspective, but not biblical perspective. Many religions interpret the bible in their own way to fit their doctrines.
Just like now there is a gay bible that is modified to fit the gay agenda, its no different from the catholic bible.
+Malibu Beatz I'd point out that since the Bible came from the Catholic Church (via the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, guiding the Church to put the correct books in the Canon), the Bible is a Catholic book. Thus it is totally appropriate that Catholic teaching and the Bible aren't in conflict with each other. only through misinterpretation, either purposeful or borne of ignorance, can the teaching of the Church appear to be in conflict with the Bible. The teachings of the Bible have a distinctly Catholic perspective... to divorce the Scriptures from their source is to leave oneself open for misinterpretation.
Chris Lewis no, the bible does not come from the catholic church.
Genesis, The books of moses predate catholicism by 1400+ years.
Catholics just compiled different books over the years and made it into one book, later they made a catholic version and pope proclaimed himself "vicar of christ" which is blasphemy.
Then they made it so you have to confess your sins to another human being, a priest, although Jesus said;
John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
So priest, pastor, popes putting thselves in authority is unbiblical, that's why I don't believe in ANY religion.
Only thing you need in the end times is gping back to the basics; your faith in Jesus, your Bible, and follow the 10 commandments.
Its your religion's and popes and vaticans opinions of God, Vs The Word of God.
Romans 3:4 "God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged."
There is no need to debate because I will NEVER agree with your religions opinion under any circumstance, because, every man is a liar But the Word of God is 100% always True.
The Catholic Church compiled the bible into one volume, formally selecting which books belonged and which didn't in an early Church council. So in that sense, it did, in fact, come from the Catholic Church. That's why every bible you're ever going to find from before the protestant reformation contained at least 73 books.
Second, there is nothing blasphemous about being a vicar of Christ. Peter was one, even if he were never a pope. A vicar is a representative - someone sent out by a leader to represent that leader.
We confess our sins, "one to another" exactly as the bible teaches us to. (James 5:16) The Catholic Church didn't make us do it. Those are the words of Jesus Christ himself, commanding us to confess our sins to other, sinful, people.
I also might point out that by the definition of the word "religion", Christianity is a religion. You can't be a Christian and not have a religion any more than you can be human and not have an ethnicity. Only atheists and deists have no religion.
Lastly, if every man is a liar, then should we not conclude that you are lying to us? And should you not conclude that whoever told you the Catholic Church altered the bible was lying to you?
Anyone who rejects the Traditional Catholic Church is not a Christian.
I fully disagree with that and I'm a Catholic. I believe all branches of Christianity lead to the same place, it's just you have less tools at your disposal so to speak with branches other than Catholicism
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It sounds like you are a Novus Ordo (New Mass) Catholic. All of those other so-called branches of Christianity were founded by heretics and apostates. But if you're contempt in thinking that then to each is own.
For rebuttal I would recommend reading Matthew 7:1-6
Please show me where the dogma mentions 'traditional'. :) Hint: it doesn't.
How can you say that? Please give me at least one verse of Scripture to back your beliefs up. It is so sad to see how deceived many people are! I have grown up in an protestant home, and there is absolutely no way you can convince me that God is not with me, that He protects my family and I, that He doesn't live in side of me!
The only true Christianity is Biblical Christianity (the early church). The Bible doesn't have the word catholic in it. I'm a Biblical Christian.
It also doesn't have the word "Trinity". Catholic simply means "Universal".
There are many Protestants who consider the Trinity a Catholic invention too ... and these are not Mormons or JWs... so do not count on that argument working every time. Catholics existed before the Bible existed...
R. Zell Much of the Bible assumes that the person reading is familiar with much. This is because the Catholic Faith was taught orally during the time of the apostles. The bible itself was a document prepared for the Liturgy not especially to teach the faith directly. Less than 10% of the populace could read at the time.
solo scriptora is also not in the bible
***** There were not protestants around to write it at that time. Not for the first 1500 years anyway.... and than Luther comes around and says... you did not get it right... lol lol lol
"Having entered deeply into the history of salvation, Mary, in a way, unites in her person and re-echoes the most important doctrines of the Faith: and when she is the subject of preaching and WORSHIP she prompts the faithful to come to her son, to his sacrifice and to the love of the Father...Mary has by grace been exalted above all angels and men to a place SECOND ONLY TO HER SON, as the most holy Mother of God who was involved in the mysteries of Christ: she is rightly honored by a special cult in the Church." - Vatican Collection Volume 1, Vatican Council II, The Conciliar and Post Conciliar documents.
Yeah, the roman catholic church definitely doesn't worship Mary.
"There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer OR ONE WHO INQUIRES OF THE DEAD, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord." - Deuteronomy 18:10-12.
Please, turn to Christ.
One thing I noticed once my parents let me out of their super-sheltering box and I could finally explore the world is that I might have my issues with the Catholic Church, but at least they aren't as salty towards other denominations as most Protestants are towards Catholicism.
Catholics are the only Christians, because only Catholics profess the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ handed down from the apostles. Although the Trinity and incarnation are the two essential mysteries that a baptized person above the age of reason must know to be saved, rejecting any point of Catholic dogma expels one from the Church.
_Gratias tibi_, Anton. I'm so glad some people still grasp this concept.
_Pax tecum_.
Anton, for the most part I agree with you. But please understand...someone has got to know what they are 'rejecting' in order to 'reject' something.
In other words Protestants ...who haven't been taught the fullness of the faith and who don't know what they're talking about when it comes to Church teaching...cannot 'reject' it. They've got to be taught it first. If you teach them...who knows? Perhaps some will ACCEPT it. And that is what we want!
Meanwhile, Catholics who have grown up in the Church or who do understand the faith and reject it...THAT is a different matter.
God does not hold us accountable for that which we have not been exposed to or which we have not been made to understand.
So you're a strong Catholic right? So you go by the Pope's Doctrine right? His own words say that you should not have a personal relationship with Christ. His own words say that agnostics and atheists can get into heaven right? The Catholic church bows down to Idols it tells you directly in the Bible do not worship idols. It says I am a jealous God do not pray to anyone but me yet all you Catholics pray to Mary and tell your sins to men instead of directly to God. Your religion is total blasphemy
beeing a Christian means to be like Christ was, Jesus didn´t worship stones and images as catholics do
R. Zell R. Zell___ R. Mojamed is a better username for you.
R. Zell likewise Mojamed LOL
R. Zell Matthew 18:12 "What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off? Soooo.....yeah
R. Zell IF,IF.... but i did not reject Jesús, my friend Mojamed
R. Zell what i ahve rejected is the catholic sexual abuse faith, and idolatry, sooo...yeah if you can find Jesús in a carved Stone go ahead, Leviticus 26:1 "Do not make any image or form to bow down to it, couse i am the Lord your God".
You mentioned relatives' pictures - so why don't you pray to them as well? What about Mother Teresa ? Now will you also pray to her ? Its kind of lunacy - you are all praying to people to pray to God FOR you ? - that's kind of lunacy. You might as well pray to Abraham and Moses and Elijah because they were also holy people whom God used. But then again , if u look at all these people's lives they were not as holy as you all like to all them- they were sinners just like us - Moses killed a person (not something God told him to do), Abraham lied about his own wife, which nearly resulted in her being taken away by someone else, not to mention, he disobeyed God's will by having intercourse with a maid instead of waiting for the child promised by God to both him and Sarah........ Peter denied Jesus three times, rebuked Jesus not to do something to which Jesus replied "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns." - Paul was a persecutor of early Christians, about Mary - if she was as great as you think as solely the mother of God - then why would Jesus tell another disciple of his to take care of her as he was dying, instead of focusing his entire blessings on her as the "Blessed Mother" ? - why would Jesus choose to ignore her when she came to visit him - saying “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.” Maybe this will help shatter the myth that you subscribe to - what was originally meant to honor and remember saints or men and women of God - you now use them for praying to them for intercession - by the way, don't you ever read the Bible ? That's another mistake Catholics or 'Christians' as you say, make because God wants us to know His will and obey and He speaks to us through His word so why would you box up His word as something to be read exclusively by a priest? Dont u know that as Protestant Christians, we have our daily devotionals and Bible readings (even reading the whole Bible across a year etc ....if u dont have Christian devotional books to help you read and understand God's word - u can always look up online - for example - Our Daily Bread odb.org/ , Joyce Meyer " Enjoying Everyday Life "joycemeyer.org/BroadcastHome.aspx etc.
I read the bible everyday as much as I can as I enjoy it. I am A catholic. And we realize that all Saints are sinners. Everybody is a sinner. That's why Jesus came, to save us from sin and from hell
[Reverend] Pauline (Hutchison) Meyer ['Joyce Meyer'] is a false teacher, no different than 'pastors' like [Reverend] Joel Osteen or [Reverend] Martin "Pat" Robertson. They preach that believing in Jesus Christ will yield no bodily ailments, surplus cash, and luxurious properties. Satan tempted our Lord with those very ideas inside Scripture. I am a Reformed Southern Baptist who agrees with much of what you have said. Nevertheless, the charismatic movement is a diabolical thing.
Whether an Arminian, a Calvinist, or some other orthodox branch of Protestantism, people looking to evangelize non-Protestants should exercise spiritual discernment, lest the former end up untrue teachers themselves. My Roman Catholic friends (there is only one such church in town, me coming from southeast Tennessee) never agreed with the aforementioned preachers, either. A sliver (if that) of solid Protestant ministers existing on "Christian" television stations (Trinity Broadcasting Network, Christian Broadcasting Network, et cetera) get drowned out.
While you may be right about Joel Osteen and others, I would not discredit Joyce Meyer as someone who is a false preacher. This is because God has spoken to me many times through her and she does her best to obey the Holy Spirit as far I could see. And hello - I feel like you are talking like a parrot - when u also said about belief in Jesus will yield no bodily ailments, etc - Hello ! you have your facts wrong - judging before finding the truth for yourself - Joyce has preached even on suffering, not to mention she also had cancer. and hello - when u talk about surplus - is it wrong for God's people to have surplus? What about Job in the Bible ? He went through much suffering yet God blessed him more. I do acknowledge that the love of money is the root of evil but you forget those who seek to shine for Jesus so when they are blessed - they choose or hope to be a blessing to others. Have you never heard of Joyce Meyer Ministries - they have been participating in anti-tafficking, refugee crisis, medical crisis in different parts of the world, etc If Joyce was truly a lover of money, why would she support and have such a costly ministry? If being rich was enough, why must she follow the Holy Spirit to speak at conferences and studios nearly every day in a week - " Enjoying Everyday Life" broadcasts are daily broadcasts on Internet, TV,etc ? -joycemeyer.org/BroadcastHome.aspx
Prayer is a spiritual conduit, you don't use it to talk to living people. And prayer doesn't mean worship
If you truly believe that Christ is the only way to heaven and that His sacrifice paid for our sins your are a Christian. That being said I still believe that Catholics have a lot of teachings that are not Biblical like praying to saints because you are trying to communicate with those that are already dead, Purgatory, and the fact that the Catholic Bible has an entire section in it that is not in other Bibles. Also infant Baptism does not grant salvation it has to be a willing turn to Christ.
Catholic are not christian, being a christian is being a follower of jesus. To be a follower of jesus. Jesus said pick up the cross and follow me. Which mean be perfect like him, followed how he lived on earth. That's why he came on earth to set an example. He didn't come say pray to mary or saints, all he want is to people to focus on him only and not saints.
I was recently a protestant and suggest other protestants learn your history. The canon of the bible you read was produced by Catholics. To the best of my knowledge most the new testament was actually written by Catholics. Up until the Renaissance period only members of the clergy were sufficiently educated and possessed sufficient knowledge. The bible wasn't allowed to be read by a lay-person because of the danger of incorrect interpretation. But through the reformation period Humanism and other new ideas emerged and it was too late. Luther didn't intend to cause a schism, he saw corruption in the church and rebelled against the authority and "protested" against it through his cherry picked bible verses. Where as St.Francis was called to rebuild the church rather than protest, by setting an example and shining as a beacon of hope.There are countless arguments a catholic could use to justify over protestantism/ fundamentalism. Although hypocritically speaking, the best we can do is preach the Gospel and follow In Jesus's footsteps. I encourage young men to consider Diocesan priesthood or a religious order. Young women I encourage you to consider a religious order. All for the sake of the kingdom of God. Life here on earth is temporary.
Interesting conversation! Hearing you guys talk about the "worshiping Mary" stuff reminded me of something... many years ago, I was at a middle school baseball game and was talking with the sisters of some of the players. Religion came up for some reason and one of the girls said she was Catholic. The first thing out of the other girl's mouth was, "You shouldn't worship Mary!" The Catholic girl didn't seem to know what to say; ten year old me was just confused by the exchange and didn't know how to respond either. Looking back, it makes me sad to wonder where a girl no older than ten was learning to say things like that. =/
hi, I'm a 20 year old life long Catholic from So Cal. I've been watching your videos for a few months and I would like to know what would be the difference between Catholics, Roman Catholics, & Traditional Catholics?
I would like to know this too
I believe (although I could be wrong) that just the word "Catholic" describes both Roman Catholics and the Orthodox Church, while "Roman Catholic" describes one who recognizes the Papal office. A Traditional Catholic is a Roman Catholic who, as I understand it, prefers the Pre-Vatican II mass to the Novus Ordo mass--"traditional" in this case referring to their preference for the more old-school way of doing things.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on any of those points.
+Thomas Graf Roman Catholic is a catholic who 'uses' the Roman rite. there are also byzantine catholics, melkite catholics, maronite catholics, syro-malabar catholics, catholics 'using' Anglican Use, etc. they are in full communion with Rome
and Traditional Catholics are the ones using Extraordinary form of the Roman rite
+Thomas Graf orthodox christians aren't catholics
Hi can you help me out and tell me where in the bible did the church start?
Matthew 16, specifically verse 18. Jesus said, "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it." I've always been taught that was the start of the Christian church, & Peter was our first Pope.
It depends on what you mean. From the time that Jesus Christ began His public ministry, disciples began to gather around Him, but He constitutes the "new Israel" (cf. Galatians 6: 16) by reconstituting His "twelve tribes" in the Twelve Apostles (cf. Luke 6: 12-16). However, technically, they were just beginning their formation as Christians (which would last throughout His three and a half year public ministry), and the Church did not "start" UNTIL the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, "the promise of the Father", into the Church at Pentecost (cf. Acts 2: 1-4). So that first Pentecost Sunday is the traditional beginning or start of the Church.
Two Church Councils determined Canon of Scripture (4th Century for the New Testament; 16th Century for the Old Testament), so...
It started with Jesus
ok so what is the meaning of "church"?
beautifully explained!
I am a Protestant Christian and I found this video and discussion very interesting. Though I wouldn't associate “pray” is simply “communicate”. We communicate with our friends, but we don't pray to them. But other than that, I really enjoy this video and is going to watch other videos you guys made before.
Ah yes, I see your confusion! Catholics do not pray to Mary and the saints they pray to God and simply ask the saints and Mary to pray for us! :) Just like if I was going through a hard time I would ask all of my friends to pray for me so that I can get through the hard time. Hope this makes sense! :)
I see. Thank you.
+James Lyford But why do you guys ask the dead to pray for you?
Adela Deen Who said they were dead? They are just as, if not more alive than you and I.
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
We know that our time on Earth is temporary, so how could one who believes in Jesus Christ have eternal life? It can only be because in heaven we are still alive! We Catholics do not conjure the dead when we pray to the saints. (The definition of pray being to ask earnestly. It is not a word reserved for deities. Ex. 'Pray, tell me.' Yes the Bible uses this definition whenever it uses the word.) Rather, what we do is no different from asking a close friend or family member to pray for us.
There is a girl, that, I seldom talk to anymore, but she did something which really upset me, so I refused to talk to her for a couple of weeks. I told her that, even when she tried to contact me. I had a picture of her on my phone, and I would kiss it when I missed her, and I would say "I miss you", and when we started talking again, she told me that she missed me. She told me once, that a song she listened to, because of the way I would sing it, reminded her of me. Oh no, she's worshiping Collective Soul's "Shine"!
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Just a note for you guys, "believe" in a true biblical context means "obey" as in John 3 36, to "believe is to obey" and "praying to the saints or even the Virgin Mary, it is a petition asking them (who are Jesus's "closest friends" as they are in heaven and witnesses to Jesus for us) to pray for us as in the "old English" expression "pray tell" means pray = please and tell = inform, so pray tell is please inform ... a "prayer for judgement" is a "please judge me in mercy" (which not many judges do in to do in today's society ...
omg.... what a nice explanation..!
now, can saints hear you?
what does the bible say about praying to the dead?
Good video y'all
I Felt the Power of St. Pio's glove (mitt) in 1992 and I was not beside it.
I think what their saying about praying to the saints are just as same as when you are praying with your pastor
If I'm a Proestant, can I receive communion and have confession in a Catholic Church?
Josh Alicea not until you become Catholic. It is not meant to be exclusive, but the body of Christ is very sacred and we don’t want someone who does not truly believe that the bread is actually the body of Christ through transsubstantiation to receive it. I’m not sure about confession. I think you could have confession in the Catholic Church without a problem.
@@kellymccabe3904 I believe that the eucharist is the actual body and blood of Christ through transubstantiation. I know it sounds weird to be a protestant and believe that but I read Ignatius of Antioch and it really opened my eyes to it. I don't believe that it can be taken lightly, but it must be taken reverently. I believe that it gives me sanctifying grace.
Josh Alicea then you should become Catholic!!
@@kellymccabe3904 yeah, but it's hard for me to believe the "Mary is coredemptive with Christ" thing.
Josh Alicea well good thing we don’t believe that. Only Christ can save. We respect Mary a lot and recognize her incredible faith and what she means to Jesus
Watch out world, there is an amazing population of young Catholics rising. The Church is great and it's future will be forever great. 💞 love to you guys and peace to the world👍🙏🙏
No, Roman Catholicism and Christianity are not the same thing. Christianity is properly defined by certain doctrines that are revealed in the Bible. It is not defined by simply saying that as long as you believe in Jesus, you're a Christian. Mormons believe in Jesus, but their Jesus is a brother of the devil in the pre-existence. The Jesus of the Jehovah's Witnesses is Michael the Archangel. So, just saying you believe in Jesus doesn't make you a Christian. This is why the Bible tells us who Jesus really is--God in flesh, creator of the universe. Likewise, there are essential doctrines; and if any of those essential doctrines are violated, then a church would only appear to be Christian but not really be Christian. What are those doctrines? The Bible tells us. Let's take a look.
There is only one God, and you are to serve no other gods (Exodus 20:3; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8).
Jesus is both God and man (John 1:1, 14; 8:24; Col. 2:9; 1 John 4:1-4).
Jesus rose from the dead physically (John 2:19-21; 1 Cor. 15:14).
Salvation is by grace through faith (Rom. 5:1; Eph. 2:8-9; Gal. 3:1-2; 5:1-4).
The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus according to the scriptures (1 Cor. 15:1-4; Gal. 1:8-9).
God is a Trinity (Matt. 28:19; 1 Cor. 12:4-6; 2 Cor. 13:14).
Jesus was born of the virgin Mary (Matt. 1:25).
So, someone who is a true Christian will believe these things and not violate them. Roman Catholicism violates two of them (#1 and #4). First of all, by its practice of promoting Mary (and the Saints) to the level of God-like capabilities, they break the commandment to have no other gods before the true and living God. In Roman Catholicism, they say that Mary is the mediatrix (Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraph 969); Mary made atonement for the sins of man (Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, page 213); Mary is the subject of preaching and worship (Vatican Council II, p. 420); etc.
Also, Catholicism violates the biblical doctrine of salvation by grace through faith alone. Paul the apostle, for example, tells us in Romans 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness." But Roman Catholicism denies that and says, " . . . so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments," (CCC, par 2068). Also, consider this:
"If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema" (Council of Trent, Canons on Justification, Canon 9).
So, even though Roman Catholicism claims to be Christian and that it is the one true church, it violates the essentials of the Christian faith. It goes beyond what is written in God's word (1 Cor. 4:6). It denies the sole and true sovereignty of the living God by promoting prayer to and the worship of Mary. Also, it denies justification by faith alone in Christ alone. It is not a Christian church.
"Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."
St Ignatius of Antioch 2nd Century
"I would not believe in the Gospel myself if the authority of the Catholic Church did not influence me to do so."
St Augustine Against the letter of Mani, 5,6, 397 A.D.
"This Church is Holy, the One Church, the True Church, the Catholic Church, fighting as she does against all heresies. She can fight, but she cannot be beaten. All heresies are expelled from her, like the useless loppings pruned from a vine. She remains fixed in her root, in her vine, in her love. The gates of hell shall not conquer her."
St Augustine Sermon to Catechumens, on the Creed, 6,14, 395 A.D
.“ No one may share the Eucharist with us unless he believes that what we teach is true, unless he is washed in the regenerating waters of baptism for the remission of his sins, and unless he lives in accordance with the principles given us by Christ.
We do not consume the eucharistic bread and wine as if it were ordinary food and drink, for we have been taught that as Jesus Christ our Savior became a man of flesh and blood by the power of the Word of God, so also the food that our flesh and blood assimilates for its nourishment becomes the flesh and blood of the incarnate Jesus by the power of his own words contained in the prayer of thanksgiving.
The apostles, in their recollections, which are called gospels, handed down to us what Jesus commanded them to do. They tell us that he took bread, gave thanks and said: Do this in memory of me. This is my body. In the same way he took the cup, he gave thanks and said: This is my blood. The Lord gave this command to them alone. Ever since then we have constantly reminded one another of these things. The rich among us help the poor and we are always united. For all that we receive we praise the Creator of the universe through his Son Jesus Christ and through the Holy Spirit.
On Sunday we have a common assembly of all our members, whether they live in the city or the outlying districts. The recollections of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as there is time. When the reader has finished, the president of the assembly speaks to us; he urges everyone to imitate the examples of virtue we have heard in the readings. Then we all stand up together and pray.
On the conclusion of our prayer, bread and wine and water are brought forward. The president offers prayers and gives thanks to the best of his ability, and the people give assent by saying, “Amen”. The eucharist is distributed, everyone present communicates, and the deacons take it to those who are absent.
The wealthy, if they wish, may make a contribution, and they themselves decide the amount. The collection is placed in the custody of the president, who uses it to help the orphans and widows and all who for any reason are in distress, whether because they are sick, in prison, or away from home. In a word, he takes care of all who are in need.
We hold our common assembly on Sunday because it is the first day of the week, the day on which God put darkness and chaos to flight and created the world, and because on that same day our savior Jesus Christ rose from the dead. For he was crucified on Friday and on Sunday he appeared to his apostles and disciples and taught them the things that we have passed on for your consideration.“
St Justin Martyr 2nd Century
“Follow the saints, because those who follow them will become saints.”
― Clement of Rome 1st Century
So, I see that you are stating that the Church violates #1 and #4.
On #1: we do not violate that. Contrary to popular Protestant opinion, the Church does not teach that Mary or the saints take the place of God. NCG did a good job of tackling that one head on in the video.
Also, I noticed that you cited Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, page 213, but it looks like you misquoted it. If you read the whole paragraph in question, it actually says something that a Protestant will be hard pressed to disagree with, and I quote:
Christ alone truly offered the sacrifice of atonement on the Cross; Mary
merely gave Him moral support in this action. Thus Mary is not entitled
to the title" Priest" (sacerdos). Indeed this is expressly laid down by the
Holy Office (1916, 1927). Christ, as the Church teaches, "conquered the
enemy of the human race alone (solus)" (D 711); in the same way, He alone
acquired the grace of redemption for the whole human race, including Mary.
The words of Luke 1:38: "Behold the handmaid of the Lord" imply Mary's
mediate, remote cooperation in the Redemption. St. Ambrose expressly
teaches: "Christ's Passion did not require any support" (De inst. virgo 7).
In the power of the grace of Redemption merited by Christ, Mary, by her
spiritual entering into the sacrifice of her Divine Son for men, made atonement
for the sins of men, and (de congruo) merited the application of the redemptive
grace of Christ. In this manner she cooperates in the subjective redemption
of mankind.
Also, Vatican Council II page 420 is not a proper citation of the documents of Vatican II. There is no way to identify what you are referring to there. My advice here is to simply double check, or properly cite, your sources.
On #4, Sola Fide, or the Protestant idea of justification by faith alone, simply isn't taught anywhere in Scripture. In Romans 2:6-11, we read that God "will repay everyone according to his works: eternal life to those who seek glory, honor, and immortality through perseverance in good works, but wrath and fury to those who selfishly disobey the truth and obey wickedness.Yes, affliction and distress will come upon every human being who does evil, Jew first and then Greek. But there will be glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does good, Jew first and then Greek. There is no partiality with God."
Additionally, the only time that we see the phrase "faith alone" in Scripture, it is strongly refuted in James 2: "Indeed someone may say, “You have faith and I have works.” Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works. You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble. Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works. Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called “the friend of God.” See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. And in the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by a different route? For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead." The passage very clearly refutes faith alone, but Protestants have tried just about everything to get around the force of this text.
The problem with Sola Fide is that none of the attempted prooftexts in support of Sola Fide actually exclude works of grace. For example, Sola Fide adherents will frequently quote Ephesians 2:8-9 but completely overlook verse 10: "For we are his handiwork, created in Christ Jesus for the good works that God has prepared in advance, that we should live in them."
May I recieve the shorter answer? I'm not really in the correct mindset to listen to their conversation.
Great discussion! :)
How are the church triumphant saints supposed to help us in our faith? Is there a verse or passage reference? How does the Roman Catholic branch differ from the Byzantine Catholic branch in practices and doctrine and how do we know which one is oldest or truest form of Catholicism (Christianity)? I really enjoyed listening to this video. I'm sort of a Christian Relativist since there are good arguments or facts for both Calvin, Lutheran, and Catholic doctrine. I've talked to confirmed Catholics who aren't sure or don't necessarily believe that the Eucharist is Christ's actual flesh and blood. Is that grounds for anathema or are they still "good"?
Did they mention the Eucharist ?
What happened to you guys how come you haven’t posted?
Hi Terry! We are now living in different states and some of us are married like Ned, Zaira, Amy and even Pavel in this video! We have different jobs too so it's difficult to take time off to travel and meet with each other. Even so, it would be great if something became possible again and we could film new videos.
I don't want this to come off as rude or anything, but I think it would be a good idea to have a more diverse panel discussion and not have one person overtalk the others. Its really nice getting a good balance of percpective from a variety of sources. Four heads are better than one. Thanks for the vid though!
Hello guys, your shows are nice to watch. It is kind a relax after stressful day. Greetings from Lithuania.
Is water wet?
RCC-are the TRUE Christian,founded by Christ (33ad mt.16:18)body of Christ (mystical)Col.1:18-eph.5:23.,given the authority (mt 16:19)pillar & foundation of Truth (1tim3:15)
Thank you for this video.
Also, the suggested videos to this video are videos I don't want to click on because they look like they are gonna ruin my day. lol
No kidding. I can already see the fundie links in my recommended list...
Ditto
The problem is that many older Catholics are quick to draw the distinction between (Protestant) Christians and Catholics. I remember my mum and grandparents saying we are CATHOLICS! Also, these days Protestants of various denominations like to collectively just say they are 'Christian' or 'Evangelical' and not Methodists, or Pentecostals, etc. Catholics are Christians, just like Orthodox Christians are Christians.
St. Ignatius of Antioch
nuff said
Can you back up your actions with scriptures in the bible? Specifically, praying to Saints and statues.
We don't pray to statues. We look at them before/while we ask for the prayers of saints. As far as "praying" to the saints, the verb “pray” has multiple definitions. It can be done to ask something of God, or it can be an earnest petition to a person. It is a mistake that people believe that Catholics pray to saints according to the first definition, and not the second one. Catholics ask saints and angels in Heaven to pray for them, just like Christians ask for prayer from each other while on earth.
The Bible never condemns talking to the dead. If it does, then we need to stop being Christians, because Jesus did it too in John 11:43. It seems as though a conversation with an angel is happening in Hosea 12. Abraham even talked with the rich man who was in hell in Luke 16:22-31. He heard his request to take him out of hell, and to share the gospel with his family members. His rejection was not based on idolatry or not being able to hear him, but on logic and the fact that he can’t un-condemn a person.
In Revelation 4:10-11, proof is shown that saints do pray to God.
10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
According to DRA 1899 Acts 11:25-26 "25 And Barnabas went to Tarsus to seek Saul: whom, when he had found, he brought to Antioch.
26 And they conversed there in the church a whole year; and they taught a great multitude, so that at Antioch the disciples were first
named Christians." So, when this happened, Antioch was a city, near modern Antakya, Turkey and St. Peter is with the rest of the original
Apostles in Jerusalem. Not much really going on in the Rome Church when these "Christian" were just getting started. So, are you saying
these first Christians in Antioch aren't really Christian because they didn't belong to the Roman Catholic Church ? How does this work with
the dogma those who are outside of the Catholic Catholic have no chance for Salvation ? Just Asking ...
Hey guys i mean this with respect,not trying to trash anybody. I am a Christian myself(neo protestant if it even matters), and as listening to the saint discussion i think you pointed some things about respecting them for their lifestile,and dedication that i think could be absolute ok(honoring our foreruners),but then about 9:30 you got to the part where what i'm understanding is that you are praying to them as an intercesor for you as once they earned God's favour by their lifestile. And just feel like addresing this,as i said i only mean love towards you, by leting this vers here: 1 Tim 2:5 "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus". I understand the concept but it is not really bible bassed, but i would say it contradicts this principle.
God's Blessing,Let Jesus be our center of it all!
First of all, on 1 Timothy 2;5, first read 1 Timothy 2; 1-4. Saint Timothy is telling us to pray and intercede with each other BECAUSE Jesus is our one mediator, and through Him, with Him, and in Him, we participate in His Work.
Second of all, you are in a sense right. We are all being conformed into God's image by Christ; He is the sculptor forming us and making us.
"You see, we are like blocks of stone out of which the sculptor carves forms of men. The blows of His chisel, which hurt so much, are what makes us perfect."
-C.S. Lewis
BUT, as St. Louis de Montfort said on Our Lady Mary:
"A sculptor has two ways of making a lifelike statue or figure: He may carve the figure out of some hard, shapeless material, using for this purpose his professional skill and knowledge, his strength and the necessary instruments, or he may cast it in a mold. The first manner is long and difficult and subject to many mishaps; a single blow of the hammer or the chisel, awkwardly given, may spoil the whole work. The second is short, easy and smooth; it requires but little work and slight expense, provided the mold be perfect and made to reproduce the figure exactly; provided, moreover, the material used offer no resistance to the hand of the artist."
The Catholic Church is very Jewish. Just like the Jews (I am a converso, Jew by race, Catholic by faith). Catholics like Jews believe in purgatory, pray to the righteous (saints) to intercede on our behalf, believe in sheol, preserve the STP Jewish liturgy, preserve the Seat of Moses in the cathedrals (literally chair - for the same effect), pray for the dead, have priests (who offer a sacrifice) etc. Much of what Protestants find off putting about Catholicism has its origins in Judaism.
However, keep in mind Jesus Christ came to fulfill the Judaism, not to abolish it. Judaism is fulfilled and preserved within the new covenant in the Catholic Church. Judaism of today is a new religion devoid of its essence and is more akin to protestantism of today. Second Temple Period Judaism (STP) was centered around the temple, liturgy and sacrifice which is similar to Catholicism which is centered around the church, liturgy and the sacrifice. Today's Judaism is very much like protestantism in that it centered upon reading, studying and teaching the scriptures.
If you could, message me because I would like to hear your views on the Donatists and the Novations who existed before or around the same time of the Catholic church.
I respect what you said.
I am a Syrian Roman Catholic. I lived in Syria for 14 years and then i came to the USA for few months. Now i am living in the Netherlands.
and i have lots of muslim friends and they all dont belive in Jesus they think that its bad living as a Christian and that we are bad people.........
I would really like if you go more into this subject. I would love to be a guest to discuss what I've been through.
Good video!
After I actually read the bible I left the Roman church.
I was never taught about baptism of the holy spirit.
I was never taught about being born again.
I was never taught to actually deny myself pick up my cross and follow the Lord.
I was never taught that Jesus could set me free from my sin and I was never taught in a mass how to know and hear the most high for real.
When I left I knocked and the door was opened. I learned that the harlot churches and the man made religions can let you know about Jesus but they don't let you truly know him. For narrow is the way that leadeth unto life and their be few that find it. There are certainly not few Catholics. With a celebrity pope and a Richly buildings all over the world this reveals something I wish I knew before. The church of constantine is a deception but the true church is where Jesus is the rock a church that is hated by the world, the true body of christ, a church that cannot be found on the street corners.
Regarding never having been taught in the Roman Catholic Church to actually deny oneself, pick up one's cross and follow the Lord....Thank God that countless Catholic missionaries (priests, nuns and laity) have. They left their comfortable lives in industrialized nations to go to places in Africa, South America and other continents to bring God's One True Church with the Gospel of Jesus's love and the real Eucharist to the needy people there, building hospitals and schools for them and feeding them. Ever heard of Caritas International and Catholic Charities, two of the most charitable organizations in the World? None of these man made anti-Catholic fundamentalist churches don't even come close to what those Catholic missionaries do for the Lord and their fellow human beings.
+Manny Perez Dear friend the reason I don't belong to a church is because I only belong to Jesus. The true church is the body of christ people who truly know and Jesus. People are decived because they believe that the Catholic church is the only way yet Jesus rebuked the pharisees for partaking in such traditions of men and the same is today. Jesus never taught to confess to a priest he said repent (to God himself) He never said partake in rituals. In response to what you had to say about 'catholic charitys, that is true however so do many other organisations and such works mean nothing without knowing the most high for real. In response to your claims about priests, nuns and monks ect these kind of people have a false view of self denial. They spend their lifes isolated from the world in so called prayer when Jesus said be light in darkness which is not the case here. True christians are few they do not belong to the harlot church system they belong to Jesus. His sheep hear his voice
+Manny Perez Also the eucharist, sacraments, praying to mary, purgatory ect are not biblical terms these where invented by the Roman church to decive many. Another huge reason why even if I did follow church it wouldn't be the Catholic one is because of the Paganism. constantine completly took over the early church and filled it with false doctrine. For example Easter - Ishtar a so called pagan goddes to name one of many. Jesus came to abolish this false organised religion system and gave us a new teacher, the holy spirit. You can either choose accept him or reject him, but he is the only way not some church.
Be blessed in Jesus name.
The Way Is Jesus; Well said ! Let us hope that some Catholics read what you wrote and believe it! Have a blessed day in the name of Jesus the Christ.
+Paul Ryan Jesus bless you
On the topic of Saints I think that 1 Timothy 2:5-6 may help because it says "For there is one God. There is also one mediator between God and the human race, Christ Jesus, himself human, who gave himself as ransom for all."I think that because the Saints devoted their lives to Jesus and had a great love for God they act as mediators between us and God for what the specific Saint is known for.