It’s saying something that after all these years that the Fantastic Four, except Johnny Storm (I ship him with Crystal btw), are happily marry while other Marvel heroes like Spider-man are single and miserable.
But marvel told me that kids couldn't relate to spider-man if he was married! That's why when they undid the marriage I quit reading new spider-man books outside of the ultimate universe stuff! Oh wait.....that's the opposite of what they wanted isn't it?
21 issues in. This has been one of my favorite Fantastic Four runs of just about ever. They feel like a family, not like a superhero team. A lot of writers do not get that feeling across. North's run has had heavy moments, moments of levity, fights, arguments, and more. They all feel believable for what's happened in the story, and even seeing Doom get in on it during issue 7 was a great read.
We should just feel lucky that the town being retroactively un-vanished didn't do weird things to the timeline outside of the town via some butterfly effect hijinks. Though if characters in other Marvel books are mysteriously dropped let's blame this story.
Not having read comics in a few years I have to say I liked this. The fact that there was no drama in Ben & Alicia's relationship was refreshing, and the fact that they're married is even better IMO. I look forward to the second issue.
@@wesstewart2677 For sure. Mephisto best keep his ugly mitts off this marriage. I hope they get their kids back. They were a delightful addition to the family.
@@ycgoosey1324 Nah they already revealed that shit, turns out Bruce accidentally gamma-fied everyone in a bar and they all tried to kill him, so the new Titan personality took over and murdered them all. Also, Titan might actually be the ghost of Brian Banner possessing Bruce’s mindscape.
@@halfmettlealchemist8076 Oh i know, been reading the book, its just that all three runs started with a mystery is all i was saying. For now we are 1 for 3 during the 6 month mystery
I think the "no angst" angle sorta works if you consider that the FF have been doing the superhero thing for a long time and have grown past their initial drama about it
I really enjoyed this issue. The montage of Stanford's whole life gave me the feels. I wish he was the POV character so we could have gotten to know him and the town better. I also would have liked the time loop to be in the 1950's instead of the 1940's because there could have been atomic-age monster movie posters all over the town, and Ben gets the idea to use that as his cover, so he tells everyone that he's an actor in a rubber monster costume. Yeah, it's unlikely anyone would have fallen for that explanation, but it's better than nothing. Great start to a hopefully great run. Also, what world do we live in that the Dinosaur comics guy is now writing the Fantastic Four? Crazy!
I think starting with Ben is great. Despite his looks he’s always been the most down to earth character. I really hope they can build on the idea that the FF are a family first and foremost. It can be simple without universe ending reality warping being a constant threat. Fights are cool, big battles are fun. But when people can just use their wits or good nature to figure out problems, it can be just as valuable if not more valuable of a narrative. Keep it down to earth, even in all the crazy.
FF#1 was definitely my tempo! Having really enjoyed the Slott run, especially the Ben & Alicia stuff being a highlight, it was a real sense of relief to see them featured and that the heart and emotion will still be a big focus for the book.
I just realized that Johnny Storm is always single, except for that one universe where he marries a Skrull. Ben Grimm should be glad he has one thing Johnny doesn’t: A loving and caring wife.
There was an wonderful bit in an anniversary issue where Alicia temporarily regains her sight and Ben freaks at her seeing him "like this": *Ben, did you really think I only loved you because I couldn't see you? I was born with sight, I remember colour . . . and I HAVE seen you a thousand times, with my hands. -So, you've always known what I, what the Thing looks like? *Of course! I love you DESPITE my blindness, not because of it. (Cue passionate kiss and "awww" from the rest of the FF)
I always assumed Ben still has the gizmo or formula or WTFever is was Valeria & the Future Foundation gave him so he could turn human for a week once a year. So, for one week every year: "It's Smashin' Time!"
Oh my I didn't know Ben and Alicia finally tied the knot in the main continuity. The only time I saw them marry is in the Earth X story. In that one they even have twin sons who are called the Brothers Grimm. I thought despite all the problems in the world of Earth X the fact Ben and Alicia got married, started a family and seemed happy. Hopefully in the future they would have the idea of them having kids.
11:13 It still baffles me that Wanda freeing the people of Westview from her brainwashing and erasing her magically created kids and Vision from existence was treated as a great sacrifice.
I mean given that A) Ryan North stated that he was going for a slower more down to Earth comic after Slott. He knew he couldn't compete with the great science fiction grand adventure. B) It was openly stated that this would be a Ben Grimm issue. It was known before this ever even came out, so I'm not worried that it's a Ben issue.
i think the structure of the first 3 issues was a great move to show off the individual characters first, then have it in issue 4 the family comes back together.
I know this is an old video and nobody's going to see this, but motels that feel like they're from a decade-or-four ago are not that uncommon in the part of the States that I'm from. 1947 is a good bit back, in the context that this location is exactly as it was about 60 years ago, but nothing like the furniture or even clothes would necessarily alarm me from my experiences. They've definately been more common in small towns and back roads as well.
This issue was excellent. I loved the human interest angle of the sci-fi story, which is what Marvel does well. The Ben and Alicia scenes were wonderful. Can't wait to read more.
First FF I saw on the stand in ‘63 was #5- and I not only fell in love with the FF but Dr Doom as well: it prompted me to get Spider-Man #5 the next year. Collected them for a few years after I got out of the navy, then on and off thru the decades. Getting back into them now- them and Dr Strange being the only Marvels I still have on my pull list. Tus is the second or third vid I’ve watched on this new issue #1 and feel I’ve enjoyed yours the most ( but I’ve been enjoying your videos for a couple years now). Finishing up the ‘99 run 22:0022:00 ( #1-10) and waiting to get issue #11 that I somehow missed: up to 29 now. Also liked the new hair.
I loved this issue. I've been a fan of Ryan North since Squirrel Girl. He can get a little too jokey at times. But when he balances plot, characterization, and humor, he's very entertaining. After Slott's grandiose run, it's nice to see a small, self-contained story. (How many times can you save the whole damn multiverse before it gets old?) Focusing on Ben and Alicia was a good move. Ben has always been the heart of the team. Seeing him and Alicia happy is refreshing. I agree that using 3 pages to set up the time loop was a bit much. But the rest of the book didn't feel rushed because of it. I'm excited by he direction North chose. And kudos to you for covering this and FULL CIRCLE. Fantastic Four content is always appreciated! Thanks, Sasha.
It be cool if that explosion Reed caused was connected to the spider-man run since Johnny storm kind of drops a clue that spider-man had stolen something from the fantastic four which could lead to Ben kind of blaming Reed for making it and people also upset at Spider-man
11:01 Yeah, the Finale of Wandavision definitely left a sour taste in my mouth. Which only got worse when Dr Strange said they knew what Wanda did but it didn't matter.
I always took Monica's line as an attempt to talk Wanda down a notch from her angry crazy witch mode. Dr. Strange was in clinical "I'm the smartest guy in the room" mode so I wasn't surprised when he said his line.
This first issue was funny, mysterious, heartwarming, and all-around fun - just like a Fantastic Four comic should be! I’m really happy to see Marvel’s First Family back with a great writer/artist team again, and I can’t wait to see what the future holds for this series! Also, I find it pretty hilarious that the current writer for this series, Ryan North, is the same guy who wrote Unbeatable Squirrel Girl. (Also, also: if you’re reading this comment, you should read Unbeatable Squirrel Girl. Please. It’s fantastic.)
I might check this out, I haven't even heard of this! Your description of FF is spot on, and is the main reason I felt a sinking feeling when I heard the creator of the "Fan4stic" movie describing his "grounded" approach that looked at the FF through the lens of "body horror"...Even IF the movie had actually been "good", I still would've hated it, as that sort of angle completely misses the very essence of what makes the FF work! (I would love to have seen an adaptation by 80s Spielberg, but maybe Brad Bird, creator of The Incredibles, should get a shot at it today)
Omg thank you Sasha (typing before watching vid), I want to jump in on this series because of how well it's been promoted through comic artists on the socials but I've never read an FF comic before, your insight won't sway if I buy this first issue or not (im gonna go for it especially for that split portrait variant cover) but I want to hear your thoughts 100%. Edit* (after watching vid, mostly from 14 minute mark onward to avoid spoilers) - Wow, that four bullet point focus list from North was really interesting for how seemingly simple it was, I am in the same boat that angst is not a needless tone device and it can add an emotional depth and balance to books if used effectively so I hope the series as a whole will have its share of serious and emotionally resonant moments especially with a group of characters so tightly knit. I'll for sure still check the book out but I am actually feeling a slight skepticism about whether or not it will be a book that i enjoy the energy and tone of whether it's an effective jumping on point or not. Either way I'll have to read this issue myself and see how I feel.
Just off thsi video alone, I feel like FF is doing the "what happened to NY" Mystery Box better than the new Spider-Man. Only because "Reed doing something to NY" feels more interesting than "and then everyone hated Peter and Spider-Man AGAIN" despite this being the upteenth time that any bad thing happened to Peter or his allies. It's an exhausting trope on Peter that feels like a constant reset. FF feels more like a "oh okay something happened I wonder what it is."
I think that the Carlos Pacheo/Jeph Loeb run is really underrated. I also liked the stuff that Karl Kesel and Scott Lobdell did (It’s a real shame that he never got to continue his run . He had some big plans for the Frightful Four, I believe .).
I actually like this beginning. It's easy and self-contained. But doesn't reek of an ongoing plot you have to keep up with. It's fun. Like the old days
Waid's run is soon good. Reading it for the first time was a blast. It reminded me why I love superhero comics so much right when I was starting to feel burnt out on the genre.
I loved North’s Squirrel Girl, and I’m looking forward to his take on the FF, but I agree with your concerns about making things too comedic. North has a tendency to kind-of spin everything to make it light and happy, which can be great sometimes but can also undercut one’s connection to the characters’ emotional journeys.
this looks fun so far and im ALL for Ben and Alicia (IIRC both of them have been through a lot so its nice they both have each other). It looks like its back to beardless Reed though which is unfortunate but hey. Also didnt Reed (and Sue at some points) basically ran on angst for a while so that "no angst" aspect is gonna be interesting.
The most unbelievable part of this is that Ben wouldn't immediately clue on that their in some time loop bs. No way The Thing hasn't encountered this kinda scifi wackiness atleast a couple times by no
And what happened, then? Well, in the Baxter Building they say - that Sandford’s small heart grew three sizes that day. And then - the true meaning of love reached new hights, and Sandford understood the true meaning of c**kfight lol
I’m hoping for some Fantastic Things for the FF 🤞🏾, the way You described this issue sounds like Ground Hog Day meets JL The Animated series Legends episodes ( the 2 parter with the generic JSA called the Justice Guild)…Need to read it for Myself for the full experience…Hopefully the Bots don’t flag You for the Cockfighting…Keep Up The Outstanding Work Sasha 🖖🏾
Something that I thought of on the Established Titles thing: You own the plot of land, therefore you own what grows on it. Adult trees can sell for over $100k if it's the correct kind of tree. As the owner, you can sell that tree to a lumber company, thus negating the entire point. Yes, I have way too much time to think of dumb things.
“I see you’ve noticed the ears. They’re easily explained. There was a mechanical rice picker incident.” ~OR~ “Welcome to the 24th century, Captain Bateson.” Before you mentioned Spider-Man, this story reminded me more of the FF story everyone in a farming community were having an unusual reaction to the milk. Everyone except Frankie Rae, who was lactose intolerant. Turned out to be the Skrulls from issue 3 Reed left behind hypnotized into believing they were cows. It had a callback, a small town community that seemed to be okay with the problem (at least on the surface), and that what did you do, Reed!?! moment. Also, an issu of Swamp Thing featured a new version of an old sport in the Louisiana Bayou. Roosters were fed dubious amounts of laxatives, placed in a pen with several numbered squares on the floor. Spectators were invited to place bets on what number the Rooster would poop next to. No fighting or bad relationship advice we’re involved. And you thought censoring 🐓fighting was bad.
LIFE is a BWAK-fight! (You Canadians with your thoughtfulness! 😊) Anyway, I can't say I like the scaled-up Thing. Many of these characters have lives in typical environments where normal-size doorways and furniture are in abundance. How does a four-foot wide man drive a car, sit in a theatre, etc.?
Love is less of a cockfight and more of a box of chocolates, in that you'll find some good but a lot of crap. Also as for how Ben and Alicia do anything that's simple, the stone below the belt is smooth and pliable. Yep those are the thoughts I fill my head with.
I enjoyed North's work in Squirrell Girl, it looks like a Fantastic start. I hope there is at least an issue dedicated to the main 4. This one being Ben's. North's mission statement did make me cringe at the same part. The Thing views himself as a monster and Reed regrets mutating his friend and family. Marvel is known for it's angst. Be it the othered X-Men, the out of time Captain America, the Thing viewing himself as a monster, the media hating Spider-man, or Bruce Banner dealing with the monster within. As for love I will say this, I appreciate your take as a married mother, not a cockfight more like a mutualistic symbiosis.
Back in the Stone Age, when I was (slightly) younger and read the FF, there was a similar issue. It follows a unremarkable guy who has omnipotence doesn’t know it, who ends up saving the Earth from destruction just by making minor choices in his day. Meanwhile the FF and the rest of the world are a panic and get confused when the crisis turns out to be no crisis at all. Granted, as this was more than ten minutes ago, my recollection could be way off. Also: Ben’s an eight-foot tall man made of orange bricks: no amount of period clothing going to make him fit in.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Skip Collins in FF 234 in the 80s, I believe. Stuck with me by the way they introduced this hugely powerful guy, but as a quick human story. I thought that one was done well, and let to the FF (and I, I guess :) ) meeting Ego for the first time.
Really enjoyed this first issue! I'm curious as to how North's run will turn out. I doubt it will be able to surpass mark waid's run for me though.Those are my favorite fantastic four comics.
I feel like the story would have worked better if the time loop was stuck in the modern age like around 2010 or later than realization that Ben and Alicia are in a time loop won’t be obvious right away and less in-anachronism. Also the solution to the time loop problem presented in the story is better too.
I haven't finished Slott's run but it hardly seems like something super crazy. It actually reads as fun and delightful, with a theme of family. I mean, Franklin was definately going through an emo phase, but in the way that kids do. What am I missing here? Also, I have to agree that love is not a cockfight, but I'm concerned that this is something that needs saying at all. What?
How do they do it? Carefully, asking the other what they want, understanding that "WBTYM" is a very narrow approach and there is a spectrum of sensuality that their differences open up. (Are the rocks that make up Ben fixed or can they be ... manipulated.) Communication, cooperation, exploration, excitation, elimination.
I picked this up the same day it came, with it being my first F4 run and story and this is what imagine the F4 being with the way people describe so I'm quite happy with this first issue. The time travel inconsistencies didn't bother me since its just cheesy fun for me, except when it's so blatantly not right when it came to the guys life, it was sweet but there's no way he met and hanged out with his future black wife in the same places with white people, oh and his child is not going to like her bus ride. But other than that I enjoyed getting to know Ben and Alicia and the next issue seems to be about Reed and Sue so I'm looking forward to the next issue.
Well the townsfolk didn't all freak out about a giant rock guy and a blind white girl so they're probably more tolerant that some other parts of America.
Yeah that's true. Although after how expansive hickman's run got that was probably one of the few times the "back to basics" approach was the right move when the next writers took over.
I haven't read this, but from what you presented, I like the art (except for the anachronisms) and the concept. The humor seemed a little juvenile, but I'm middle-aged, so they're probably not writing for me (though they claim it's for "everyone" :D). I could enjoy the story to a degree, but parts of it would bother me. I need reasons. They can be absurd, I'm along for the ride. But give me reasons. Like Sasha. She always gives us reasons. She never lets us down! :D
It was sloppy but I liked it lol The ASM mystery has been going on for 14 issues and everybody hates it. This F4 mystery has been announced to be over in just 4 issues. So yeah, I prefer it here than in ASM
Really enjoyed it. Like you said, it had its flaws, but it felt more in theme with a FF book. I'll be around for the next issue at the very least. One thing's for sure I'm all out of angst Every time you said that word that NOFX song popped in my head. lol
Have you read Ryan North's Darkhold Iron Man issue? It was a creepy and effective body horror story. So I'm not worried that he's stuck in the comedy mode. I do agree that the FF shouldn't be grimdark angst fests, but I'd want more sophistication in the writing than rehashes from the Lee/Kirby era, you know? (Although I love the Lee/Kirby era.) Not having read this yet it sounds all right but kind of weightless. Also, I think a jumping-on point for the series should be a clear mission statement, this is what I think the FF should be as a team, and splitting them up from the get-go seems like filler. But I wish the new team well.
Amazing Spider-Man and Fantastic Four having a similar mystery box plot isn't that outlandish. Remember the Bendis era of Marvel in the 2000s? A lot of titles had a very similar story structure back then. It was all mystery boxes with shifting time periods in the same story. This is less intense than that.
"Your relationship isn't a failure just because it didn't last until one or more of the people in it were dead." That "Or more" gives me pause. "Both" would mean but if it's "more" then it's a Battle Royale. Also, Alicia's a polygamist... that makes sense. "Well, maybe with Johnny..." Even a blind woman can see the UST between Ben and Johnny.
I have a feeling that what whatever happened to spider-man to make him at odds with the ff and mj has to do with what reed did to destroy the Baxter building.
Several things: 1. I HATE when writers/artists WASTE pages in comics. Through years of reading comics is going to happen several times. That being, it never angered me the most as the last issues of G. Willow Wilson in Rebirth Wonder Woman. It showed clearly that she didn´t care or didn´t know what to do anymore. But there was a page that had just 3 drawings that featured Diana and Steve just being around. Another was a entire page of a drawing of Veronica Cale talking to this random scientist in his office. If comics were 40 cents then maybe it wouldn´t be such an issue. But with current prices?! It should be stated by DC/Marvel or any company that this can´t be allowed to happen. 2. I´m a DC fan and, besides of the X-Men, the Fantastic Four is the only other Marvel characters/team I care. They remind me of 50s sci/fi. Like Herculoids or Johnny Quest...and no, I´m not that old. There were re-runs in the 80s/90s. 3. As for Alex Ross...I get that he has to work but his style is SO unique that he should be used either for stories like Kingdom Come/Justice and/or moments in comics that truly deserve it.
Ben spends all his time in the Baxter building surrounded by futuristic gadget, maybe he has no idea what's modern' anymore? :p and Alicia is blind so she wouldn't notice.
I havent picked up a FF title in a long time, but I just want to say that I would like them to give Doom a movie where his people are trying to be killed in an ethnic cleansing and he becomes a love him/ hate him character like Loki. I like the Ben Origin where his brother was abusive and used to say its clobbering time before beating him up. So ben always thinks he needs to be strong ( which ties into the reason why he cant control his transformation liek the others, because he ALWAYS wants to be strong). Jeff Goldblum would have been the perfect Reed, so however you get someone to do a version of that is cool with me. Reed needs to be awesome, but he also genuinely needs to forget the important things until its showed to him, unless Susan is in trouble. Susan needs to be passive most of the time, but have that malice personality inside of her ready to emerge ( especially if her children's are in danger). There are so many cool versions of Johnny. Just dont make him too childish. Maybe make his a counter to spidermans personality, since they were best friends ( along with Iceman, but he gets left out a lot).
Bullet points... 1. I stopped reading the FF when Hickman had them creating and populating entire universes after the Secret Wars thing. If they're essentially gods, what's the point? (I think Hickman kind of needs to get over himself.) 2 I once had an idea for fixing the FF being universe-creating dead-end characters that would also fix the drastic stupidity of Hydra Cap (remember that?) at the same time: Reed would visit Hydra Cap in his prison at the end of that cheap gimmick of a story, and inform him that his existence was actually the Fantastic Four's fault: they thought they could create universes, but all the universes they created were fatally flawed. In our universe that resulted in a "glitched" timeline in which the lives of certain people became drastically different from the true history. "And the worst consequence," Reed would tell him, "the thing I regret the most...is that in our hubris, we destroyed the life of a good man, who inspired all of us to be better." This could lead into a Marvel Crisis where it's revealed that every wrong turn Marvel ever took was the fault of the FF's botched universe-making, and then somehow it could all be set right and in this new continuity Gwen Stacy never died, and there was no Teen Tony, and no Clone Saga, and no Gwen having sex with Norman Osborn, and no deal with Mephisto, and Rob Liefeld never drew anything. 3. Non-sequitur: Spider-Man sure has taken a lot of wrong turns over the years... 4. Alicia in this story bears as much resemblance to the Alicia I'm familiar with as Spider-Gwen does to Gwen Stacy. 5. Ben is indeed much too tall. He should be maybe an inch or two shorter than Reed, and very very wide. 6. I think the Alex Ross cover was commissioned once Marvel saw how disappointing the interior art would be. 7. Though I'm tempted to say the best place to start the FF is with Lee and Kirby, the casual 60's sexism can be grating when Sue is mostly a damsel in distress who usually acquiesces to Reed. Maybe start with the Byrne run? It's a good jumping on point, though Reed needs to eat a sandwich and Sue has a few different tragic hairstyles. (Also Johnny dates Alicia, yuck. But then again, She-Hulk!) But as Doctor Doom told Sue (in issue...260 maybe?) she had indeed become the most powerful member of the Fantastic Four, and Byrne did a fine job spotlighting her. 8. Please do a segment on Morrison's FF 1,2,3,4! It's the one indispensible FF story. Every character is as Stan and Jack made them, but imbued with a modern sensibility. Reed is sort of on the spectrum but not a post Civil War-style jerk. Johnny is devil-may-care, seen it all and got the tee-shirt. Ben is Ben. And Sue tells Doom to stop talking in the third person. Pikachu!
Hey, thanks for another fun and very watchable vid. Have you ever done / thought of doing anything on 'Warrior Nun Areala' from Antarctic Press? I ask because I'd never heard of the comic before watching the current Netflix show based on it (which is all kinds of awesome) and I'd be curious to find out more. It also strikes me that superhero stories based on Christian / Catholic mythology is kind of an interesting subgenre ... Can make some people feel quite uncomfortable, unlike comics based on Norse, Greek, Roman or other gods ...
I wanted to check this out since I've never read any FF, but I've just got too many titles on my pull list as it is so I'm trying to cut back. It sounds like my kind of thing though (no pun intended).
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Hey they also did this for the hulk series too. The current run. Which is why he left the earth 🌎.
I do wonder how Ben and Alicia do sexy time.
You do realize this could end being demonetized ! For language, and blood sport, "but that is the word in the comic" - the algorithm has ruled.
Bought some using your code. tysm! Also I have to say I love your content so much your videos are very entertaining
Ben and Alicia are such a great couple. It makes me miss that period in the 90's when Peter and Mary Jane were allowed to be happy.
but then, just one more day!
@@ProjektTaku 😥
@@jamesgasik3424 oh well, atleast they got to renew their vows.
It’s saying something that after all these years that the Fantastic Four, except Johnny Storm (I ship him with Crystal btw), are happily marry while other Marvel heroes like Spider-man are single and miserable.
But marvel told me that kids couldn't relate to spider-man if he was married! That's why when they undid the marriage I quit reading new spider-man books outside of the ultimate universe stuff! Oh wait.....that's the opposite of what they wanted isn't it?
21 issues in. This has been one of my favorite Fantastic Four runs of just about ever.
They feel like a family, not like a superhero team. A lot of writers do not get that feeling across.
North's run has had heavy moments, moments of levity, fights, arguments, and more. They all feel believable for what's happened in the story, and even seeing Doom get in on it during issue 7 was a great read.
We should just feel lucky that the town being retroactively un-vanished didn't do weird things to the timeline outside of the town via some butterfly effect hijinks.
Though if characters in other Marvel books are mysteriously dropped let's blame this story.
Apparently that town just didn't matter lol
@@CasuallyComics my new favorite insult will be "You/Your town is so unimportant that un-vanishing didn't even change the timeline."
Not having read comics in a few years I have to say I liked this. The fact that there was no drama in Ben & Alicia's relationship was refreshing, and the fact that they're married is even better IMO. I look forward to the second issue.
Alas, that owes itself to the previous run rather than reflecting the new writer.
@@wesstewart2677 For sure. Mephisto best keep his ugly mitts off this marriage. I hope they get their kids back. They were a delightful addition to the family.
Well one benefit of being transformed into a rock monster is that he's always rock hard.
Well played lol
🤦 oof
Finally, a writer who confirms that Ben Grimm FUCKS
"It's Slobberin' Time!"
@@antondovydaitis2261 ALICIA NO
This really is the year for "Marvel hero did a vague thing which we aren't gonna talk about yet" huh?
Flirting vs. Harassment but it’s this series vs. the new Amazing Spider-Man series
@@halfmettlealchemist8076 don’t forget the Incredible hulk too lol
@@ycgoosey1324 Nah they already revealed that shit, turns out Bruce accidentally gamma-fied everyone in a bar and they all tried to kill him, so the new Titan personality took over and murdered them all. Also, Titan might actually be the ghost of Brian Banner possessing Bruce’s mindscape.
@@halfmettlealchemist8076 Oh i know, been reading the book, its just that all three runs started with a mystery is all i was saying. For now we are 1 for 3 during the 6 month mystery
@@ycgoosey1324 Oh, gotcha. Sorry, I shouldn’t have assumed anything
I get the distinct feeling that Sasha is speaking from real world experience about researching what 1947 light fixtures looked like.
I think the "no angst" angle sorta works if you consider that the FF have been doing the superhero thing for a long time and have grown past their initial drama about it
I really enjoyed this issue. The montage of Stanford's whole life gave me the feels. I wish he was the POV character so we could have gotten to know him and the town better. I also would have liked the time loop to be in the 1950's instead of the 1940's because there could have been atomic-age monster movie posters all over the town, and Ben gets the idea to use that as his cover, so he tells everyone that he's an actor in a rubber monster costume. Yeah, it's unlikely anyone would have fallen for that explanation, but it's better than nothing. Great start to a hopefully great run.
Also, what world do we live in that the Dinosaur comics guy is now writing the Fantastic Four? Crazy!
I think starting with Ben is great. Despite his looks he’s always been the most down to earth character.
I really hope they can build on the idea that the FF are a family first and foremost. It can be simple without universe ending reality warping being a constant threat.
Fights are cool, big battles are fun. But when people can just use their wits or good nature to figure out problems, it can be just as valuable if not more valuable of a narrative.
Keep it down to earth, even in all the crazy.
yeah, I like big flashy battles where mountains are being torn apart, but I also enjoy more down to earth, relatable stories.
Extra extra, rock man is down to earth, read all about it 😉
FF#1 was definitely my tempo! Having really enjoyed the Slott run, especially the Ben & Alicia stuff being a highlight, it was a real sense of relief to see them featured and that the heart and emotion will still be a big focus for the book.
I just realized that Johnny Storm is always single, except for that one universe where he marries a Skrull.
Ben Grimm should be glad he has one thing Johnny doesn’t: A loving and caring wife.
5:22 I love the way Alicia is blind....but still can look directly to Ben
There was an wonderful bit in an anniversary issue where Alicia temporarily regains her sight and Ben freaks at her seeing him "like this":
*Ben, did you really think I only loved you because I couldn't see you? I was born with sight, I remember colour . . . and I HAVE seen you a thousand times, with my hands.
-So, you've always known what I, what the Thing looks like?
*Of course! I love you DESPITE my blindness, not because of it.
(Cue passionate kiss and "awww" from the rest of the FF)
I appreciate that you look deeper than the surface when reviewing comics. That's why I keep coming back. Thank you.
I always assumed Ben still has the gizmo or formula or WTFever is was Valeria & the Future Foundation gave him so he could turn human for a week once a year. So, for one week every year: "It's Smashin' Time!"
What happens if they just grab Sandford and drag them out of town before they can start the loop?
Oh my I didn't know Ben and Alicia finally tied the knot in the main continuity. The only time I saw them marry is in the Earth X story. In that one they even have twin sons who are called the Brothers Grimm. I thought despite all the problems in the world of Earth X the fact Ben and Alicia got married, started a family and seemed happy. Hopefully in the future they would have the idea of them having kids.
They have kids too, adopted, but even then, they are parents in the main continuity
@@gabrielandriel8960 yeah, might be wrong but it was those two kids from Empyre right?
@@deltaovalpanda7805 Yeah
11:13 It still baffles me that Wanda freeing the people of Westview from her brainwashing and erasing her magically created kids and Vision from existence was treated as a great sacrifice.
She was sacrificing her own happiness. Besides it’s not like she brainwashed the people on purpose
I mean given that A) Ryan North stated that he was going for a slower more down to Earth comic after Slott. He knew he couldn't compete with the great science fiction grand adventure.
B) It was openly stated that this would be a Ben Grimm issue. It was known before this ever even came out, so I'm not worried that it's a Ben issue.
i think the structure of the first 3 issues was a great move to show off the individual characters first, then have it in issue 4 the family comes back together.
Man will break time just because his heart was broken, he's just like me, he's just like fr!
I know this is an old video and nobody's going to see this, but motels that feel like they're from a decade-or-four ago are not that uncommon in the part of the States that I'm from. 1947 is a good bit back, in the context that this location is exactly as it was about 60 years ago, but nothing like the furniture or even clothes would necessarily alarm me from my experiences. They've definately been more common in small towns and back roads as well.
Ben and Alicia thought the motel was a quirky bed and breakfast?
This issue was excellent. I loved the human interest angle of the sci-fi story, which is what Marvel does well. The Ben and Alicia scenes were wonderful. Can't wait to read more.
Marvel is not a monolith. There is a specific criteria who wrote this story that has also written for dc
Awesome, Ryan North. Also, I haven't seen Ben Grimm since he was in space with the Guardians, lol. Crazy seeing again.
First FF I saw on the stand in ‘63 was #5- and I not only fell in love with the FF but Dr Doom as well: it prompted me to get Spider-Man #5 the next year. Collected them for a few years after I got out of the navy, then on and off thru the decades. Getting back into them now- them and Dr Strange being the only Marvels I still have on my pull list. Tus is the second or third vid I’ve watched on this new issue #1 and feel I’ve enjoyed yours the most ( but I’ve been enjoying your videos for a couple years now). Finishing up the ‘99 run 22:00 22:00 ( #1-10) and waiting to get issue #11 that I somehow missed: up to 29 now. Also liked the new hair.
I loved this issue. I've been a fan of Ryan North since Squirrel Girl. He can get a little too jokey at times. But when he balances plot, characterization, and humor, he's very entertaining. After Slott's grandiose run, it's nice to see a small, self-contained story. (How many times can you save the whole damn multiverse before it gets old?) Focusing on Ben and Alicia was a good move. Ben has always been the heart of the team. Seeing him and Alicia happy is refreshing. I agree that using 3 pages to set up the time loop was a bit much. But the rest of the book didn't feel rushed because of it. I'm excited by he direction North chose. And kudos to you for covering this and FULL CIRCLE. Fantastic Four content is always appreciated! Thanks, Sasha.
It be cool if that explosion Reed caused was connected to the spider-man run since Johnny storm kind of drops a clue that spider-man had stolen something from the fantastic four which could lead to Ben kind of blaming Reed for making it and people also upset at Spider-man
11:01 Yeah, the Finale of Wandavision definitely left a sour taste in my mouth. Which only got worse when Dr Strange said they knew what Wanda did but it didn't matter.
Why lmao whi cares
I always took Monica's line as an attempt to talk Wanda down a notch from her angry crazy witch mode. Dr. Strange was in clinical "I'm the smartest guy in the room" mode so I wasn't surprised when he said his line.
"Love is a C*ckfight" is my favorite Pat Benatar song
Absolutely loving this run! It’s the biggest thing I look forward to during my comics run each month 🙏
Time for a fantastic fresh start.
To bad they are evergreen.
This first issue was funny, mysterious, heartwarming, and all-around fun - just like a Fantastic Four comic should be! I’m really happy to see Marvel’s First Family back with a great writer/artist team again, and I can’t wait to see what the future holds for this series!
Also, I find it pretty hilarious that the current writer for this series, Ryan North, is the same guy who wrote Unbeatable Squirrel Girl. (Also, also: if you’re reading this comment, you should read Unbeatable Squirrel Girl. Please. It’s fantastic.)
I might check this out, I haven't even heard of this! Your description of FF is spot on, and is the main reason I felt a sinking feeling when I heard the creator of the "Fan4stic" movie describing his "grounded" approach that looked at the FF through the lens of "body horror"...Even IF the movie had actually been "good", I still would've hated it, as that sort of angle completely misses the very essence of what makes the FF work! (I would love to have seen an adaptation by 80s Spielberg, but maybe Brad Bird, creator of The Incredibles, should get a shot at it today)
Omg thank you Sasha (typing before watching vid), I want to jump in on this series because of how well it's been promoted through comic artists on the socials but I've never read an FF comic before, your insight won't sway if I buy this first issue or not (im gonna go for it especially for that split portrait variant cover) but I want to hear your thoughts 100%.
Edit* (after watching vid, mostly from 14 minute mark onward to avoid spoilers) - Wow, that four bullet point focus list from North was really interesting for how seemingly simple it was, I am in the same boat that angst is not a needless tone device and it can add an emotional depth and balance to books if used effectively so I hope the series as a whole will have its share of serious and emotionally resonant moments especially with a group of characters so tightly knit. I'll for sure still check the book out but I am actually feeling a slight skepticism about whether or not it will be a book that i enjoy the energy and tone of whether it's an effective jumping on point or not. Either way I'll have to read this issue myself and see how I feel.
11:40 Know I have the Sting song in my head
Just off thsi video alone, I feel like FF is doing the "what happened to NY" Mystery Box better than the new Spider-Man. Only because "Reed doing something to NY" feels more interesting than "and then everyone hated Peter and Spider-Man AGAIN" despite this being the upteenth time that any bad thing happened to Peter or his allies. It's an exhausting trope on Peter that feels like a constant reset.
FF feels more like a "oh okay something happened I wonder what it is."
Probably my favorite Fantastic Four series way Marvel Knights FF. That run had some fantastic stories and amazing issue covers and art work.
I think that the Carlos Pacheo/Jeph Loeb run is really underrated. I also liked the stuff that Karl Kesel and Scott Lobdell did (It’s a real shame that he never got to continue his run . He had some big plans for the Frightful Four, I believe .).
I actually like this beginning. It's easy and self-contained. But doesn't reek of an ongoing plot you have to keep up with. It's fun. Like the old days
Mark Waid Run. The easiest jumping on point for FF and one of the best runs
Waid's run is soon good. Reading it for the first time was a blast. It reminded me why I love superhero comics so much right when I was starting to feel burnt out on the genre.
Ok UA-cam has some great timing. I just heard the end of the metaphor and a marvel snap ad popped up with "hulk smash" 😂.
I loved North’s Squirrel Girl, and I’m looking forward to his take on the FF, but I agree with your concerns about making things too comedic. North has a tendency to kind-of spin everything to make it light and happy, which can be great sometimes but can also undercut one’s connection to the characters’ emotional journeys.
this looks fun so far and im ALL for Ben and Alicia (IIRC both of them have been through a lot so its nice they both have each other). It looks like its back to beardless Reed though which is unfortunate but hey. Also didnt Reed (and Sue at some points) basically ran on angst for a while so that "no angst" aspect is gonna be interesting.
The most unbelievable part of this is that Ben wouldn't immediately clue on that their in some time loop bs. No way The Thing hasn't encountered this kinda scifi wackiness atleast a couple times by no
Right off the top, you'd think Ben would notice something was off when he tried to pay for the room with a credit card.
And what happened, then? Well, in the Baxter Building they say - that Sandford’s small heart grew three sizes that day. And then - the true meaning of love reached new hights, and Sandford understood the true meaning of c**kfight lol
Momma always said True Love isn't a C***fight lol
I'll stick around for issue 2. This was unexpected and I'm curious to see how the rest of the run pans out...
Your hair is always peak character design
I’m hoping for some Fantastic Things for the FF 🤞🏾, the way You described this issue sounds like Ground Hog Day meets JL The Animated series Legends episodes ( the 2 parter with the generic JSA called the Justice Guild)…Need to read it for Myself for the full experience…Hopefully the Bots don’t flag You for the Cockfighting…Keep Up The Outstanding Work Sasha 🖖🏾
Something that I thought of on the Established Titles thing:
You own the plot of land, therefore you own what grows on it. Adult trees can sell for over $100k if it's the correct kind of tree. As the owner, you can sell that tree to a lumber company, thus negating the entire point. Yes, I have way too much time to think of dumb things.
“I see you’ve noticed the ears. They’re easily explained. There was a mechanical rice picker incident.”
~OR~
“Welcome to the 24th century, Captain Bateson.”
Before you mentioned Spider-Man, this story reminded me more of the FF story everyone in a farming community were having an unusual reaction to the milk. Everyone except Frankie Rae, who was lactose intolerant. Turned out to be the Skrulls from issue 3 Reed left behind hypnotized into believing they were cows. It had a callback, a small town community that seemed to be okay with the problem (at least on the surface), and that what did you do, Reed!?! moment.
Also, an issu of Swamp Thing featured a new version of an old sport in the Louisiana Bayou. Roosters were fed dubious amounts of laxatives, placed in a pen with several numbered squares on the floor. Spectators were invited to place bets on what number the Rooster would poop next to. No fighting or bad relationship advice we’re involved.
And you thought censoring 🐓fighting was bad.
LIFE is a BWAK-fight! (You Canadians with your thoughtfulness! 😊)
Anyway, I can't say I like the scaled-up Thing. Many of these characters have lives in typical environments where normal-size doorways and furniture are in abundance. How does a four-foot wide man drive a car, sit in a theatre, etc.?
I got my answer! Your painting IS joker leaning out of the cop car 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾 I can finally rest
oOOOOOo! Another seamless segue to the promo!
Love is less of a cockfight and more of a box of chocolates, in that you'll find some good but a lot of crap. Also as for how Ben and Alicia do anything that's simple, the stone below the belt is smooth and pliable. Yep those are the thoughts I fill my head with.
the things that keep me up at night...
@@ProjektTaku It's Alicia who keeps the Thing up all night.
@@dlee827 the thing aint the only one rock hard...
One one. How do miss no TV is a hotel room
To this day I wonder how The Tbing gets his rocks off, I just know that I'm not alone in sholdering that burden, bouldering if you will.
I love following Ben and Alicia, they're just the cutest comic couple.
I enjoyed North's work in Squirrell Girl, it looks like a Fantastic start. I hope there is at least an issue dedicated to the main 4. This one being Ben's. North's mission statement did make me cringe at the same part. The Thing views himself as a monster and Reed regrets mutating his friend and family. Marvel is known for it's angst. Be it the othered X-Men, the out of time Captain America, the Thing viewing himself as a monster, the media hating Spider-man, or Bruce Banner dealing with the monster within. As for love I will say this, I appreciate your take as a married mother, not a cockfight more like a mutualistic symbiosis.
Back in the Stone Age, when I was (slightly) younger and read the FF, there was a similar issue. It follows a unremarkable guy who has omnipotence doesn’t know it, who ends up saving the Earth from destruction just by making minor choices in his day. Meanwhile the FF and the rest of the world are a panic and get confused when the crisis turns out to be no crisis at all. Granted, as this was more than ten minutes ago, my recollection could be way off.
Also: Ben’s an eight-foot tall man made of orange bricks: no amount of period clothing going to make him fit in.
Get him some period typical clothing and say he's from a circus or something at least try, and I more meant Alicia cause the two split up in this.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Skip Collins in FF 234 in the 80s, I believe. Stuck with me by the way they introduced this hugely powerful guy, but as a quick human story. I thought that one was done well, and let to the FF (and I, I guess :) ) meeting Ego for the first time.
"The Thing! Is his dork made out of orange rock like the rest of his body?" -Mallrats, 1995
Really enjoyed this first issue! I'm curious as to how North's run will turn out. I doubt it will be able to surpass mark waid's run for me though.Those are my favorite fantastic four comics.
I feel like the story would have worked better if the time loop was stuck in the modern age like around 2010 or later than realization that Ben and Alicia are in a time loop won’t be obvious right away and less in-anachronism. Also the solution to the time loop problem presented in the story is better too.
going back to watch Fantastic Four W.G.H, best depiction of what i consider to be the Fantastic Four
Billy Mummy grew up fell in love, got his heart broken then wished the town away
I haven't finished Slott's run but it hardly seems like something super crazy. It actually reads as fun and delightful, with a theme of family. I mean, Franklin was definately going through an emo phase, but in the way that kids do. What am I missing here?
Also, I have to agree that love is not a cockfight, but I'm concerned that this is something that needs saying at all. What?
That Alex Ross cover is beautiful, nicest cover I’ve seen in a while.
How do they do it? Carefully, asking the other what they want, understanding that "WBTYM" is a very narrow approach and there is a spectrum of sensuality that their differences open up. (Are the rocks that make up Ben fixed or can they be ... manipulated.) Communication, cooperation, exploration, excitation, elimination.
I picked this up the same day it came, with it being my first F4 run and story and this is what imagine the F4 being with the way people describe so I'm quite happy with this first issue. The time travel inconsistencies didn't bother me since its just cheesy fun for me, except when it's so blatantly not right when it came to the guys life, it was sweet but there's no way he met and hanged out with his future black wife in the same places with white people, oh and his child is not going to like her bus ride. But other than that I enjoyed getting to know Ben and Alicia and the next issue seems to be about Reed and Sue so I'm looking forward to the next issue.
Well the townsfolk didn't all freak out about a giant rock guy and a blind white girl so they're probably more tolerant that some other parts of America.
I swear every fantastic four run says it’s taking it “back to basics”💀
Yeah that's true. Although after how expansive hickman's run got that was probably one of the few times the "back to basics" approach was the right move when the next writers took over.
I haven't read this, but from what you presented, I like the art (except for the anachronisms) and the concept. The humor seemed a little juvenile, but I'm middle-aged, so they're probably not writing for me (though they claim it's for "everyone" :D). I could enjoy the story to a degree, but parts of it would bother me. I need reasons. They can be absurd, I'm along for the ride. But give me reasons. Like Sasha. She always gives us reasons. She never lets us down! :D
I want a classic Spiderwoman Got Back, Nightwing's Butt, The Questions You are Afraid to Ask about The Window about Alicia and Ben's relationship
You hair is fabulous.
It was sloppy but I liked it lol
The ASM mystery has been going on for 14 issues and everybody hates it. This F4 mystery has been announced to be over in just 4 issues. So yeah, I prefer it here than in ASM
Really enjoyed it. Like you said, it had its flaws, but it felt more in theme with a FF book. I'll be around for the next issue at the very least.
One thing's for sure
I'm all out of angst
Every time you said that word that NOFX song popped in my head. lol
Have you read Ryan North's Darkhold Iron Man issue? It was a creepy and effective body horror story. So I'm not worried that he's stuck in the comedy mode. I do agree that the FF shouldn't be grimdark angst fests, but I'd want more sophistication in the writing than rehashes from the Lee/Kirby era, you know? (Although I love the Lee/Kirby era.) Not having read this yet it sounds all right but kind of weightless. Also, I think a jumping-on point for the series should be a clear mission statement, this is what I think the FF should be as a team, and splitting them up from the get-go seems like filler. But I wish the new team well.
I like this. Thank you
Amazing Spider-Man and Fantastic Four having a similar mystery box plot isn't that outlandish. Remember the Bendis era of Marvel in the 2000s? A lot of titles had a very similar story structure back then. It was all mystery boxes with shifting time periods in the same story. This is less intense than that.
I think we can all agree love is a 🐓 fight, with veal cutlets on both sides
I picked this one up. Not a big FF reader but I liked this issue. Very groundhog’s day.
You are so RIGHT!!!!
Or wish her out to the Cornfield... "it's real GOOD that you did that!!"
"Your relationship isn't a failure just because it didn't last until one or more of the people in it were dead."
That "Or more" gives me pause. "Both" would mean but if it's "more" then it's a Battle Royale.
Also, Alicia's a polygamist... that makes sense. "Well, maybe with Johnny..." Even a blind woman can see the UST between Ben and Johnny.
Love the wig and eyeshadow very trademark FF
I have a feeling that what whatever happened to spider-man to make him at odds with the ff and mj has to do with what reed did to destroy the Baxter building.
Tune in next time? Did your issue not have that last page that shows you the massive whole where the Baxter building used to be Sasha?
Several things:
1. I HATE when writers/artists WASTE pages in comics. Through years of reading comics is going to happen several times. That being, it never angered me the most as the last issues of G. Willow Wilson in Rebirth Wonder Woman. It showed clearly that she didn´t care or didn´t know what to do anymore. But there was a page that had just 3 drawings that featured Diana and Steve just being around. Another was a entire page of a drawing of Veronica Cale talking to this random scientist in his office.
If comics were 40 cents then maybe it wouldn´t be such an issue. But with current prices?! It should be stated by DC/Marvel or any company that this can´t be allowed to happen.
2. I´m a DC fan and, besides of the X-Men, the Fantastic Four is the only other Marvel characters/team I care. They remind me of 50s sci/fi. Like Herculoids or Johnny Quest...and no, I´m not that old. There were re-runs in the 80s/90s.
3. As for Alex Ross...I get that he has to work but his style is SO unique that he should be used either for stories like Kingdom Come/Justice and/or moments in comics that truly deserve it.
I liked it pretty good; not sure where it is going of course, but it was a fun first issue
Ben spends all his time in the Baxter building surrounded by futuristic gadget, maybe he has no idea what's modern' anymore? :p and Alicia is blind so she wouldn't notice.
I havent picked up a FF title in a long time, but I just want to say that I would like them to give Doom a movie where his people are trying to be killed in an ethnic cleansing and he becomes a love him/ hate him character like Loki.
I like the Ben Origin where his brother was abusive and used to say its clobbering time before beating him up. So ben always thinks he needs to be strong ( which ties into the reason why he cant control his transformation liek the others, because he ALWAYS wants to be strong).
Jeff Goldblum would have been the perfect Reed, so however you get someone to do a version of that is cool with me. Reed needs to be awesome, but he also genuinely needs to forget the important things until its showed to him, unless Susan is in trouble.
Susan needs to be passive most of the time, but have that malice personality inside of her ready to emerge ( especially if her children's are in danger).
There are so many cool versions of Johnny. Just dont make him too childish. Maybe make his a counter to spidermans personality, since they were best friends ( along with Iceman, but he gets left out a lot).
Still waiting for your namor video
Always on board for more FF.
Is that Starman hardcover on top of the bookcase homemade? I’ve been waiting for dc to make one for a long time.
I dint think that's a hardcover. I think that's the first compendium edition that dc released last year.
Bullet points...
1. I stopped reading the FF when Hickman had them creating and populating entire universes after the Secret Wars thing. If they're essentially gods, what's the point? (I think Hickman kind of needs to get over himself.)
2 I once had an idea for fixing the FF being universe-creating dead-end characters that would also fix the drastic stupidity of Hydra Cap (remember that?) at the same time: Reed would visit Hydra Cap in his prison at the end of that cheap gimmick of a story, and inform him that his existence was actually the Fantastic Four's fault: they thought they could create universes, but all the universes they created were fatally flawed. In our universe that resulted in a "glitched" timeline in which the lives of certain people became drastically different from the true history. "And the worst consequence," Reed would tell him, "the thing I regret the most...is that in our hubris, we destroyed the life of a good man, who inspired all of us to be better." This could lead into a Marvel Crisis where it's revealed that every wrong turn Marvel ever took was the fault of the FF's botched universe-making, and then somehow it could all be set right and in this new continuity Gwen Stacy never died, and there was no Teen Tony, and no Clone Saga, and no Gwen having sex with Norman Osborn, and no deal with Mephisto, and Rob Liefeld never drew anything.
3. Non-sequitur: Spider-Man sure has taken a lot of wrong turns over the years...
4. Alicia in this story bears as much resemblance to the Alicia I'm familiar with as Spider-Gwen does to Gwen Stacy.
5. Ben is indeed much too tall. He should be maybe an inch or two shorter than Reed, and very very wide.
6. I think the Alex Ross cover was commissioned once Marvel saw how disappointing the interior art would be.
7. Though I'm tempted to say the best place to start the FF is with Lee and Kirby, the casual 60's sexism can be grating when Sue is mostly a damsel in distress who usually acquiesces to Reed. Maybe start with the Byrne run? It's a good jumping on point, though Reed needs to eat a sandwich and Sue has a few different tragic hairstyles. (Also Johnny dates Alicia, yuck. But then again, She-Hulk!) But as Doctor Doom told Sue (in issue...260 maybe?) she had indeed become the most powerful member of the Fantastic Four, and Byrne did a fine job spotlighting her.
8. Please do a segment on Morrison's FF 1,2,3,4! It's the one indispensible FF story. Every character is as Stan and Jack made them, but imbued with a modern sensibility. Reed is sort of on the spectrum but not a post Civil War-style jerk. Johnny is devil-may-care, seen it all and got the tee-shirt. Ben is Ben. And Sue tells Doom to stop talking in the third person. Pikachu!
That line in Wanda Vision still haunts me
Hey, thanks for another fun and very watchable vid. Have you ever done / thought of doing anything on 'Warrior Nun Areala' from Antarctic Press? I ask because I'd never heard of the comic before watching the current Netflix show based on it (which is all kinds of awesome) and I'd be curious to find out more. It also strikes me that superhero stories based on Christian / Catholic mythology is kind of an interesting subgenre ... Can make some people feel quite uncomfortable, unlike comics based on Norse, Greek, Roman or other gods ...
You felt angst about 'No angst'?
Angsty and salty are my resting states lol
I’d start with the jack Kirby Stan lee and John Byrne runs from #1 - #300.
The FF and dramma are meant for each other
I wanted to check this out since I've never read any FF, but I've just got too many titles on my pull list as it is so I'm trying to cut back. It sounds like my kind of thing though (no pun intended).