For those who have completed the episode make sure to go to Comic pop returns and watch the extra 12 minutes that were cut from the main episode that are about the brain breaking task that is trying to figure of the continuity of this book
@@thomasjohnson1885 Yeah, his last appearance was in November in the Deadpool tie-in miniseries to Venom War where Jimmy was primarily an antagonist being mind controlled a Poison, at the end of which I believe he was freed and turned himself into the TVA as recompense for crimes.
Not only did Bendis change how the Parkers died he changed when too. In Ultimate Spider-Man, that Bendis wrote, he has the video tape of Peter, as a little kid not a baby, with his parents at a picnic. So now that whole inciting incident that made Peter go visit Eddie and create Venom can’t even have happened. Ugh Bendis at least pay attention to your own continuity.
bro I swear bro just one more retcon bro. please bro I promise the continuity will make perfect sense after this bro. we're gonna pay off all those early plot threads for real this time bro. bro just one more retcon please
Jimmy Hudson was just in a venom war tie in book recently. apparently Hudson lives underground with a bunch of monsters and still has the poison x symbiote or whatever it is
He’s actually like the only being in the multiverse to fully survive the poison overtake 😂 They made his healing factor wicked OP and he has a poison-Symbiote It’s like the people that write for him want people to make more stories with him but he’s literally continuity poison until they fix his backstory like they did with Miles 😂
Whats weird to me is how often Hulk writers just move Rick Jones to their next book. Stan Lee did it with the Avengers, Peter David did it with Captain Marvel, Al Ewing is doing it right now with all new all diffrent Venom. Rick is a surprisingly malleable character.
The only real contradiction in this story that ‘Mutants were made in a lab’ isn’t actually that they were lab-created, it’s that in Ultimatum, Magneto gives up hope learning that they were made in a lab. The contradiction being, that this story makes it clear that he always knew they were made in a lab.
Godzilla’s creation depends on the origin. Sometimes he was already a monster down there and all we did was wake him up, other times he’s a dinosaur walking around a random island that gets nuked, and that one time he was an iguana that got nuked by the Fren- “That’s Zilla!” Ah maybe, but his son is definitely deserving of the name Godzilla.
18:59 "Because Bendis liked 2001" He also clearly liked Kyle Baker's "Truth: Red, White, and Black" which is where he stole the idea of the super-soldier serum being created through experiments on black soldiers from.
IMO this is where the ultimate universe started to lose its steam. This story made by the one of the main architects of the universe killed is own Worldbuilding in an instant
1:08:00 I kept thinking of Godzilla during this discussion until you mentioned it. Different iterations carry different themes and lore. The modern American Godzilla and some theories with different Japanese versions see him as an ancient sea creature that was awakened by the use of atomic bombs. Other iterations like Minus One interpret him as a surviving prehistoric creature that gets mutated and altered the hydrogen bomb testing. Needless to say, Godzilla needs his time on the couch preferably Godzilla in Hell
When the retcon retroactively makes the Ultimate X-Books worse. Because now Xavier is just completely wrong the whole time. The irony is that I think Bendis had the best run on Ultimate X-Men. Though his time was cut short on the title, Bendis managed to maintain the tone Millar established while keeping the book fresh and engaging.
Honestly I would say the best run of Ultimate X-Men is Brian Wood’s run which is the most consistent. Mark Millar has his volumes 1 and 6 which are very good and the middle is very up and down.
37:17 Ethan has a tendency of just dropping esoteric science knowledge like it’s common sense. I know Ben has said he works for Costco (I think), but now I’m really curious what Ethan does for a living behind the camera.
Idk about that. Flawed sure but Kitty Pryde definitely ain't. Not to mention JJJ is thr nicest version in main stream and goed full circle. I could list more but they all involve character development so I see ur point
Ooo, SAL!! We’re getting close to the endpoint of the Ultimate Spider-Man story (which is Ultimate Fallout, remembertodoUltimateFalloutplease). But, when we get to that, just remember not to spoil that thing that happens in Spider-Men 2 (if you know, you know, if you don’t, don’t ask). Keep that a secret. You’ve told them before, but they’ve likely forgotten.
Especially appreciative for you and all y'all do after having to evacuate from the LA fires this morning. Y'all bring a smile to my face like no other. Thanks!
I love when you talk about the ultimate universe. I hope one day y'all do ultimate hulk vs wolverine that was such a fun read and had some great wtf moments
As a fellow jimmy hudson fan, I'm still waiting for more stories with him in the xmen universe since they NEVER USED HIM DURING KRAKOA. The TVA is using him though.
I only read ultimate spiderman but was awere of what happens in this story. I cant believe bendis said that the hulk kill the parkers. That I didnt know and Peter was a baby, but bendis himself said that the parkers died when he was 7 or so, thats how he was abel to eddy brooke as a childhood friend. I would love to hear what Sal has to say about that contradiction.
Ultimatum was the death of the ultimate universe, but Ultimate Origins was the symptoms of what was the eventual downfall of the Ultimate universe. Messy, broken continuity, makes no sense, and was just bad storytelling.
Hey everyone at ComicPop, continue to keep up the good work! Love listening to your commentary. I am interested to hear your thoughts on Justice by Alex Ross, Jim Krueger, and Doug Braithwaite in a possible future Back Issues episode. 😀
Oh my God is this book implying that Magneto is acting like a Faraday Cage when he can probe Xavier's mind? Its as if he's intercepting and blocking the signal? @ComicPop Ask Ethan if that is what's happening here.
Oh boy! This is an interesting episode. By the way, Since you're doing an ultimate book, does that mean you're going to do the Maker Saga soon since he's going to be up here in Marvel Rivals?
On the last installment of Off the rack their comic review show. Sal suggested three books Tiff could host in the future. One of them was Godzilla vs Justice leauge. Not gauranteed but it could happen.
It’s ironic that this episode releases around the same time Jimmy Hudson actually showed back up in a book, he’s in the new TVA miniseries, and I had completely forgotten he costed until a checked that book out.
Butch Guice (my phone autocorrected to Juice) took over for Steve Epting during Ed Brubaker's Captain America run in the mid to late 2000s. His style really fits that book!
I can understand a creator not knowing all the details to a long running series they are making, especially when there are other projects going on, but one would think remembering that Peter's parents died in a plane crash would be one of things that Bendis would remember, considering he did the Venom storyline that went heavily into it. But then again, this is Bendis.
I remember 616 Wolverine did have a fight in which he popped the claws when his wrist was bent, and it severed the tendons in his wrist. He was fighting Captain America and Steve forced the situation to get the upper hand
Ngl. I saw Ultimate and no Spiderman under it and immediately went "Uh oh." In my brain lol. Alarms went off. I try to avoid Ultimate anything else as much as I can unless of course it shows up on this show lol.
Are you guys ever gonna do the Ultimate Enemy trilogy or Hickman’s Ultimates for the Maker stuff, probley some of the only other worthwhile stuff from this Universe.
Didn’t the hulk fight happen before the second issue of the ultimates. It’s referenced in there and I always thought this was explaining that strange moment that we never saw in ultimate Spider-Man but is referenced in the second issue of the ultimates? This is what I always thought but I could be wrong
They fused Jimmy Hudson with a symbiote and a poison from venomverse and shoved him off into space somewhere just to get rid of him, and I will never get over that.
To settle the Godzilla debate as Blue Oyster Cult says "history shows again and again how nature points out the folly of man" this would imply Godzilla is a reaction of Nature making Godzilla and act of God
Not even a minute in and Sal is already ranting about continuity and obelisks, we're so back
After this episode, all previous episodes of Back Issues will be retconned to have a mysterious obelisk in the background.
For those who have completed the episode make sure to go to Comic pop returns and watch the extra 12 minutes that were cut from the main episode that are about the brain breaking task that is trying to figure of the continuity of this book
Just like Bendis woulda wanted
I forgot how maddening this series was, wow. Great video!
Thanks Owen! Happy New Year!
I turned into Obi-Wan Kenobi during this video… Jimmy Hudson, now that’s a name I've not heard in a long time lol
He’s on TVA so I’ve heard lol
@@thomasjohnson1885 Yeah, his last appearance was in November in the Deadpool tie-in miniseries to Venom War where Jimmy was primarily an antagonist being mind controlled a Poison, at the end of which I believe he was freed and turned himself into the TVA as recompense for crimes.
Not only did Bendis change how the Parkers died he changed when too. In Ultimate Spider-Man, that Bendis wrote, he has the video tape of Peter, as a little kid not a baby, with his parents at a picnic. So now that whole inciting incident that made Peter go visit Eddie and create Venom can’t even have happened. Ugh Bendis at least pay attention to your own continuity.
That’s the secret Bendis doesn’t pay attention to his own continuity lol
bro I swear bro just one more retcon bro. please bro I promise the continuity will make perfect sense after this bro. we're gonna pay off all those early plot threads for real this time bro. bro just one more retcon please
Bendis doesn’t pay attention to continuity period.
You got Bendis’d!
Skrulls
It’s so cool that you guys are still having fun making the show, all these years later❤😂🥹
Jimmy Hudson was just in a venom war tie in book recently. apparently Hudson lives underground with a bunch of monsters and still has the poison x symbiote or whatever it is
He’s in the new tva book currently
@@ultimate_lance That’s the first thing anybody has said about that book that’s convinced me to try reading it lol
He’s actually like the only being in the multiverse to fully survive the poison overtake 😂 They made his healing factor wicked OP and he has a poison-Symbiote
It’s like the people that write for him want people to make more stories with him but he’s literally continuity poison until they fix his backstory like they did with Miles 😂
Which tie-in? I was just about to comment that he died in Venomized but you just gave me homework 😂
@@pickedceasar1216 It's hilarious in hindsight that the Maker tried recruiting Miles to join his new Ultimate Universe but not Jimmy lmao
they literally just made Nick fury into Isaiah Bradley
Different universe tho 🤷🏿♂️
Exactly what I thought as well lmao
Omg please do Ultimate Thor, would love to see Ben and Ethan reacting to Third Reich Frost Giants 😂
"When will then be now?" "Soon."
"How soon?"
59:40
“He’s like Pippen.”
“Yes!”
“Maybe”
“Yes!”
😂😂😂
Whats weird to me is how often Hulk writers just move Rick Jones to their next book. Stan Lee did it with the Avengers, Peter David did it with Captain Marvel, Al Ewing is doing it right now with all new all diffrent Venom. Rick is a surprisingly malleable character.
The only real contradiction in this story that ‘Mutants were made in a lab’ isn’t actually that they were lab-created, it’s that in Ultimatum, Magneto gives up hope learning that they were made in a lab.
The contradiction being, that this story makes it clear that he always knew they were made in a lab.
“It was meeeeeeeeeee all along bub” Logan
Godzilla’s creation depends on the origin. Sometimes he was already a monster down there and all we did was wake him up, other times he’s a dinosaur walking around a random island that gets nuked, and that one time he was an iguana that got nuked by the Fren-
“That’s Zilla!”
Ah maybe, but his son is definitely deserving of the name Godzilla.
YYYEEEEAAAAH JIMMY NATION RISE UP!!!
Lmao
ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT A MAN JUST _HAPPENS_ TO SURVIVE AN INCURSION LIKE THAT??? NO! HE ORCHESTRATED IT! JIMMY!!!
WOO!!!
Jimmy’s gonna be the key to everything
18:59 "Because Bendis liked 2001"
He also clearly liked Kyle Baker's "Truth: Red, White, and Black" which is where he stole the idea of the super-soldier serum being created through experiments on black soldiers from.
Watcher in 616: "OMG! GALACTUS IS COMING! DO SOMETHING REEED!!!!*
Watcher 1610: 👀
IMO this is where the ultimate universe started to lose its steam. This story made by the one of the main architects of the universe killed is own Worldbuilding in an instant
Yup! Making mutants man-made was always lame and poorly planned.
Richard Parker was the dad that got stepped on and crushed.
But Nick Fury was the dad that stepped up.
no! 🤣🤣🤣
Don't worry guys, I'm liking as many of your videos as I can. Keep up the good work
1:08:00 I kept thinking of Godzilla during this discussion until you mentioned it. Different iterations carry different themes and lore. The modern American Godzilla and some theories with different Japanese versions see him as an ancient sea creature that was awakened by the use of atomic bombs. Other iterations like Minus One interpret him as a surviving prehistoric creature that gets mutated and altered the hydrogen bomb testing. Needless to say, Godzilla needs his time on the couch preferably Godzilla in Hell
"It's pronounced gnome!!!" had me snickering outloud to myself in the car on my way home from work- yall are awesome thank you for putting this out!
When the retcon retroactively makes the Ultimate X-Books worse. Because now Xavier is just completely wrong the whole time. The irony is that I think Bendis had the best run on Ultimate X-Men. Though his time was cut short on the title, Bendis managed to maintain the tone Millar established while keeping the book fresh and engaging.
Honestly I would say the best run of Ultimate X-Men is Brian Wood’s run which is the most consistent. Mark Millar has his volumes 1 and 6 which are very good and the middle is very up and down.
5:10 I love how Ben tried to goad Sal into making "Guice Juice" jokes, but Sal "peter-tingles" it effortlessly... 🤣🤣🤣
I really like the ultimate universe version of Uatu, it just feels so otherworldly and a creative HP Lovecraft version of an “alien” being
37:17 Ethan has a tendency of just dropping esoteric science knowledge like it’s common sense. I know Ben has said he works for Costco (I think), but now I’m really curious what Ethan does for a living behind the camera.
52:47 Ultimate Banner is always getting kicked in the face
I forgot all about Jimmy Hudson existed until this video
8:00 This scene is actually from Ultimate Marvel team-up issue 3 from I think 2001
Almost everyone, except Spider-Man, is an asshole in the Ultimate Universe. Even Aunt May is kind of an asshole.
Idk about that. Flawed sure but Kitty Pryde definitely ain't. Not to mention JJJ is thr nicest version in main stream and goed full circle. I could list more but they all involve character development so I see ur point
18:11 honestly xmen apocalypse had my favorite "weapon x escape" sequence. And i like how it pays off the ending to the prior movie.
I wish we found out what all Mystique did while pretending to be Stryker.
Ooo, SAL!! We’re getting close to the endpoint of the Ultimate Spider-Man story (which is Ultimate Fallout, remembertodoUltimateFalloutplease). But, when we get to that, just remember not to spoil that thing that happens in Spider-Men 2 (if you know, you know, if you don’t, don’t ask). Keep that a secret.
You’ve told them before, but they’ve likely forgotten.
I was surprised to see Jimmy Hudson in the TVA book.
Especially appreciative for you and all y'all do after having to evacuate from the LA fires this morning. Y'all bring a smile to my face like no other. Thanks!
I love when you talk about the ultimate universe. I hope one day y'all do ultimate hulk vs wolverine that was such a fun read and had some great wtf moments
37:31 “So uh yeah sure” that is so good
My predisposition of reconnoitering has paid off I see! I’ve struck gold!
It's funny how Jimmy Hudson came back last and he was just getting drunk in the sewers
As a fellow jimmy hudson fan, I'm still waiting for more stories with him in the xmen universe since they NEVER USED HIM DURING KRAKOA. The TVA is using him though.
An obelisk! OK, that makes more sense. I thought a big gun barrel was pointing at the camera 😂
I only read ultimate spiderman but was awere of what happens in this story. I cant believe bendis said that the hulk kill the parkers. That I didnt know and Peter was a baby, but bendis himself said that the parkers died when he was 7 or so, thats how he was abel to eddy brooke as a childhood friend. I would love to hear what Sal has to say about that contradiction.
53:34 Peter like “ so like … ur my godfather?”
That ultimate wolverine son guy was in a Deadpool mag just recently
Ultimatum was the death of the ultimate universe, but Ultimate Origins was the symptoms of what was the eventual downfall of the Ultimate universe. Messy, broken continuity, makes no sense, and was just bad storytelling.
Around the 50 minute mark when Sal said the comic was cutting back to some time ago again even I sighed.
Hey everyone at ComicPop, continue to keep up the good work! Love listening to your commentary. I am interested to hear your thoughts on Justice by Alex Ross, Jim Krueger, and Doug Braithwaite in a possible future Back Issues episode. 😀
Thank you Ben for the Hulk baby call back 😂
Oh my God is this book implying that Magneto is acting like a Faraday Cage when he can probe Xavier's mind? Its as if he's intercepting and blocking the signal? @ComicPop Ask Ethan if that is what's happening here.
Oh boy! This is an interesting episode. By the way, Since you're doing an ultimate book, does that mean you're going to do the Maker Saga soon since he's going to be up here in Marvel Rivals?
Great video!!!
Do you knows about the Secret Wars Omnibus that is coming out. That would be a very epic story to cover
I only recently learned Butch Guice goes by “Butch.” I remember reading his books back in the 90s and he was credited as “Jackson Guice.”
You guys talked about Godzilla. It is time to talk about a Godzilla book now!
On the last installment of Off the rack their comic review show. Sal suggested three books Tiff could host in the future. One of them was Godzilla vs Justice leauge. Not gauranteed but it could happen.
Dockin'. Son of wolverine
Clicked and liked immediately
This episode plans to be ... Ultimate!
I clicked on the video as soon as I got the notification and totally missed the Obelisk in the thumbnail. lol
5 SECONDS IN AND ULTIMATUM??????!
1:08:00 Sorta depends on the origin. Monsterverse Godzilla act of god, original Japanese godzilla consequences of mans actions.
It’s ironic that this episode releases around the same time Jimmy Hudson actually showed back up in a book, he’s in the new TVA miniseries, and I had completely forgotten he costed until a checked that book out.
Great vid guys!
Butch Guice (my phone autocorrected to Juice) took over for Steve Epting during Ed Brubaker's Captain America run in the mid to late 2000s. His style really fits that book!
Love the pulp joke well done Sal
Comic pop for life, no skibiddy.
I can understand a creator not knowing all the details to a long running series they are making, especially when there are other projects going on, but one would think remembering that Peter's parents died in a plane crash would be one of things that Bendis would remember, considering he did the Venom storyline that went heavily into it. But then again, this is Bendis.
I binged 7 backissues episodes this week. Sinner takes all, carnage unleashed, torment, KnightQuest, Wolverine vs Spiderman trilogy
I remember 616 Wolverine did have a fight in which he popped the claws when his wrist was bent, and it severed the tendons in his wrist. He was fighting Captain America and Steve forced the situation to get the upper hand
Butch was the artist in the erradicator Superman book in return of Superman
Ngl. I saw Ultimate and no Spiderman under it and immediately went "Uh oh." In my brain lol. Alarms went off. I try to avoid Ultimate anything else as much as I can unless of course it shows up on this show lol.
Wasn't Ironman's origin written before ultimate origins?
The Ultimate Iron an book wound up getting retconned out by the Ultimates series. Strange right? Or epic foreshadowing to the tone of the whole line?
How did you ask this question, 5 days before the video was released?
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Are you guys ever gonna do the Ultimate Enemy trilogy or Hickman’s Ultimates for the Maker stuff, probley some of the only other worthwhile stuff from this Universe.
Sal, I love your videos, please cover the new Hickman USM on back issues!! I love it
FUCK YES FUCK YES! I'VE ALWAYS WANTED FOR YOU GUYS TO DO THIS BOOK THANK YOU!!
Awesome episode.👍
Didn’t the hulk fight happen before the second issue of the ultimates. It’s referenced in there and I always thought this was explaining that strange moment that we never saw in ultimate Spider-Man but is referenced in the second issue of the ultimates? This is what I always thought but I could be wrong
Love how Bendis doesn't touch Thor at all
Edit: BEN SAID IT JUST AS I WROTE THIS
LETS GO NEW BACK ISSUES ULTIMATE… universe?
Butch Guice is awesome. If y'all go back and look for his early work and find Jackson Guice; same guy. He has a lot of great stuff.
to quote another Reviewer talking about All Star Batman issue Ten "WHAT TIME IS IT?"
24:26 i could be wrong but i think cyclops’ blast in 1610 is actually more of a laser
Thank you. Please keep the world-building coming.
Ben is a fan of the X-men cartoon series confirmed.
The war plan red joke is more hilarious than ever now
They fused Jimmy Hudson with a symbiote and a poison from venomverse and shoved him off into space somewhere just to get rid of him, and I will never get over that.
46:23 Wolverine was saving Fury after an ambush while they were transporting him in Kuwait. SOURCE: Ultimate X-Men Issue 11
What's with the occasional bass humming in the background audio? 29:40
rick jones is the Forrest Gump of Marvel
not that it means anything at all but the opening sequence between hulk and spider-man was from an early issue of ultimate team up
Jimmy Hudson gets the symbiote in the Deadpool issues of venom war 🤯
I had totally forgotten the obelisk thing
Great thumbnail 😂
In reading this book, I would say the "Guice" was worth the squeeze. Wakka wakka
Commenting for the algorithm. Love your stuff
Wolverine's son Jimmy is in a comic with the time people from Loki!
A Spider-Man book? And an Ultimate Universe book back to back? Now we’re just being spoiled.
Ben would hate "Batman: Killing Time"
Isn't Jimmy in that TVA book? Which its funny that he's lumped in that
aww yes the origins of the ultimate universe the first ultimate universe the event that created Ultimatium and the Makyr
To settle the Godzilla debate as Blue Oyster Cult says "history shows again and again how nature points out the folly of man" this would imply Godzilla is a reaction of Nature making Godzilla and act of God
I've not been able to finish 1st trade of ultimate Spider-Man yet. Bendis dialogue got me all jumbled and confused