Why I Hate Base Building Now - 7 Days To Die Episode #4
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- Опубліковано 16 лис 2023
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-18 Hour Daylight
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You love my psychotic thumbnails don't lie.
yeah 😔
your using a place for residency, also known as a base, the FBI with be with you shortly
@@alexbell1612 The FBI knows better than to try me again. Last time they messed with me I posted myself overseas in an amazon prime box along with 300 Burmese pythons and ravaged the US eco system with the invasive species of snake. At the same time i ran around FBI HQ touching all their keyboards with blueberry jam, thinly layering it so it would be sticky but subtle.
Here for it. The freakout circle cyclic displayed here is my modern, cynical therapy session.
They are cool. I just don't know how well they go together with a mega crush if you plan on making next horde night a bit wilder. I think those last longer in alpha 21 than in 20.
Damn it I had to shake my laptop to get the full IzPrebuilt experience while you explained things because you stay sooooo still
I actually like the idea of a parkour style obstacle course base for the zombies. But using, like, an entire small town. Set up opportunities to hold a position for a short time, recover, and take out some of the zombies chasing you before moving on to the next area. It would also be interesting seeing what you could come up with, but might need a playthrough dedicated to just that concept as i dont think it would be something to come up on the fly. Maybe a map with more than the average number of small towns so that you can move from town to town for each horde, having to clear and prep each new town for the horde. Probably a bit far fetched as a concept.
Edit: The more i think about it, the more i like the idea. Seeing what you came up with Ive thought of a few things. Ive never really used land mines, but i can see them as being very effective paired with this style. Pre setting up barbed wire and spike traps on your path. Pit traps with Molotov/pipe bomb opportunities, etc.
Yup been doing this since the start in 7 days. It's a lot of fun and it works well on any difficulty because of how broken the parkour perk is. Pretty nice hitting level 300 with no deaths because you can bunny hop 15 feet in the air away from any danger
I’m gonna do this on my next playthrough
Same, but with minibikes.
Be carful of the birds. The games spawns supersonic birds if you are on/in a vehicle during blood moon. @@Wavy_Gravy
@@Wavy_Gravy how to know you have no idea what youre talking about in one sentence
I feel that if the fun pimps spent even half the time on developing the game further that they spent countering players creativity, the game would be so much further along.
Ya gotta do whatever is fun, no shame in that. Personally, I enjoy converting random POIs into a full combo horde and crafting base. Including aesthetics and decorations. Each one is a different challenge in terms of layout, especially when you incorporate a garage with powered doors and such. Basically, 7 Days house flipper.
I’m sure I’ll burn out at some point and either switch games or try new mods or something. Whatever works, works. 👍
How about a gladiatorial arena with parkour nodes around the center and mid walls. You would have to run around to the different nodes as they bust down and try hanging on the walls. LOK'TAR OGAR!
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD THRONE
Have you thought about doing a series with no horde nights? You could have big wandering hordes that grow in size as your game stage increases. They appear randomly as well. It would make doing poi's pretty interesting with the option to be trapped in there with a giant horde trying to smash their way in. Might be pretty interesting and gives you a break from the horde base building loop.
Is that an option you can set in vanilla with the wandering hordes of increasing size?
The quick cut style of video editing here is fun and I also really appreciate the commentary on _"Why do we need bases when The Fun Pimps are just going to make it harder to maintain them?"_
I definitely am interested in seeing this play style up through day 700!
I feel like the problem is that the zombie AI in early alphas was crude and players found the flaws in it rather quickly. Now they seem to be reacting to what the players do rather than designing a zombie that behaves like a zombie should. Players made underground bases the zombies couldn't deal with, make them dig like gophers on crack. Players made fall bases that could instantly kill zombies, ok make the zombies never die from falls. Players made loop bases, make the zombies break stuff till the loop breaks.
The spider zombie is a prime example of this type of reactionary behavior. Not only does it jump a bit higher then most people build base walls, it can jump horizontally in a straight line thru a one block opening.
I would like to see more creative mechanics, for example a zombie falling from a ledge, catching it and hanging from it, and another zombie stepping on that one to leap forward towards your base. A frenzy mode similar to destroy area that makes the zombie do more damage to blocks, but also damages the zombie and anything around it, including other zombies.
It has always struck me as a bit odd that a blood moon crazed mindless zombie will run in your direction, then stop and turn around to take the stairs behind it to get to you, after doing some quick math on exactly how much concrete you used to reinforce your pillars.
Sorry for the long comment, I just felt it needed to be said.
I'm almost an OG in 7dtd and still come back from time to time. Years ago in the earliest bases it was more like being kids again building our fortresses together. One friend was determined to be a sniper in an overlook high tower, another was strictly an archer, and so on. Yes, you can still do those things, but we all know that the vanilla game progression could do much better at rewarding those who stray from a limited META.
I'm not saying it's easy for TFP to make choices to please everyone, but base building is the single biggest reason that I don't expect many friends to stay deeply interested in the game. When a recent friend began enjoying getting the hang of 7 Days I stayed out of the way for the most part as he was having childlike FUN with his first serious base as he explained how this idea and that might work. I sighed, realizing that he would have to learn why most of his cool ideas were pointless. Ah well, a learning curve is also part of the fun, and 7dtd is still a great open world sandbox with great potential, but I welcome changes.
I Agree with you that for the most part all TFP's do now is try to break your bases that work. I recall back durring like A16 you could make a horde base walls out of "Wooden Chairs" facing backwards and Zombies just "Walked" at them. So then TFP's made it so Zeds attack chairs. Then there was the "Toothy pole" base. TFP's then nerfed poles to take 4x damage. Upside down spikes...gone. Barb wire slow down....gone. door traps....gone. High slope walls Zeds cant walk on but you can...gone. Killing corridor...(Tried to get rid of it but made it better by accident), Zombie forcefields.... gone. Scaffolding ladders....They plan to fix this.
Its just a never ending game of "Haa that works"....TFP "Haa. now it dont."
It's a fun challenge (and a lot more immersive/RP) to only use existing structures and shore them up as best you can.
I've been doing play throughs using increased wandering hordes instead of horde nights because blood moon hordes don't feel that threatening but getting caught out in the wild by 30 or so ferals at any time can get you wrecked or at least make your mining trips and questing a little more challenging.
Ive been doing wandering hordes only too. Much more fun and terrifing walking around and coming face to face with a feral horde or a almost full cop horde. Yep just happened lol i ran away screaming. Got up high and snipered them lol
After 5000 hours this is how I play these days also as I got tired of the mindless rinse and repeat of horde nights. Mods that add truly random and huge hordes that can appear at any time make things much more interesting and dynamic. The huge dog or bear hordes that spawn are absolutely terrifying and lethal if they spawn early game though
@@Jane-Doh it's one of the things I like about Darkness Falls, their default wandering hordes are MUCH meaner and a far bigger threat. I just switch up the frequency so that I can't reasonably predict when they're due (like Min 8hrs, Max 36hrs) gives me a chance for 2-3 in the same day but I also can't do the "oh, I should just wait a bit to do X because we're over due for a horde. I've lost count the number of times I've been caught in my mine by 30-40 Ferals and Rads with a side of dogs and vultures.
I know this is a little behind, but my pals and I don't build any of those types of "meta" bases out of principle. We routinely build a fortess surrounded by all sorts of traps in between layers of fences. And honestly its fun as hell, because it feels like actual stakes are involved. And when we finally get overwhelmed its back to day 1 with a new design
One of my favorite Horde Night stories was in a mid-late time of Darkness Falls, zombies and monsters breached the fortress of me and my friends partway through the night. So I spent the rest of the Horde Night running around like it was Doom 2016. That was actually a blast. Not at all efficient, but definitely fun.
Glad that this playstyle was less braindead and at least somewhat more enjoyable for you.
the most fun ive had in the game is our base getting destroyed and trying to survive, riding around on a bike and trying to avoud zombies
The "spawn in rage mode" is supposed to be a "way to conserve memory" on horde night allowing the ai to only process/control a few zombies at a time. This nerfs bedrock bases because the "dumber" zombies will dig, that creates a hole, breaking the path, and soon you have them snaking through the earth. Guns Nerds and Steel found out about this out in his bedrock series when A21 started. Unless you start out with a giant pad of 3 thick steel they will not path correctly.
Yeah, the lazy programmer's 'Optimization technique': Remove things people want, Stick in more crap than they ever asked for, refuse to add the one thing that's been asked for for 8 alphas (More PAINT TEXTURES!), and put some zombies back into the 'alpha 16 mode' with dumbed down A.I. *sighs*
Thanks for another awesome episode! I enjoy your honest commentaries and would love to see this series continue without the need for a horde base. Looks like a lot of fun.
Keep up the good work!
I won't lie, your thumbnails are really good - go well with the rants.
And I do get your "aversion" to horde base building. I suffer from the same. Therefore, I will usually use a sturdy building as is for night 7 and potentially 14. And I may make a base for night 21 usually.
I do a bit of a cop out that lasts till day 28 at least, depending on difficulty. Clear the Dead Rooser, chop out three blocks worth of the upstairs floor and railing and replace with a three block long thin beam in the centre, roughly above the main entrance. Build a usual fighting position on the other side of the beam and take the side wall two or three blocks back to protect from cop spit. If you have Molotovs or pipe bombs, you can move back till you clear this wall and thrown them at the base of the stairs. Close up any holes in the roof and windows. Half and hour and almost no resources.
I build a ladder up the back wall to get me to the roof and then down through a hatch I built in there.
Watching you handle horde nights without a base convinced me to try the same.
Now I never use horde bases when I'm playing Fortitude. I can do the whole thing with a stretch of road, and maybe a little place to hide for 10 seconds while I use medical stuff if needed.
Now I build parkour obstacle courses for horde nights when playing Agility.
For Perception, Strength, and Intellect builds I still use a horde base... but even then I no longer make "the formula" bases. I make them quirky and catered to the build & playstyle I'm working on.
So... thanks for the inspiration.
Ancient mural = they were trying to pick out a paint color for that room, so they painted a portion white, then put up 3 stripes of color so they could decide which to go with. :D
That's why I had the most fun with my buddy when we set a 2 block thick, 3 block high hit-through fence around a portion of the farm where car explodes when you go through it and we were running around, smacking and shooting zombies, and once they broke through it made the horde night even better.
I absolutely loved the key slapping rant
I honestly deactivate blood moons in my solo-playthroughts, but I get normal zombies to be stronger / more in cities, so when I have to "scavenge" or just to do quests I get A LOT of guys trying to take me down, it might sound "easy" but sometimes, having 4 feral guys or some military bozos at day 6 is not that easy xD
EDIT: I obviously play in the highest difficulty, idk the name in english, in Italian it is "Folle"
Romero mod is good for that style of game, makes it harder by making headshots important. It's a less 'bullet sponge' way to play than just cranking up the difficulty and more reminiscent of the genre.
It also improves your aim. lol
@@pbsixgun6 ok, ty, I'll check on it.
I once had a variable horde night mod where your horde nights could be either 6, 7, or 8 days after the previous one. I had planned on making my horde base on day 7, but my first horde showed up on night 6, so I had a lovely night of running around the streets killing zombies. It was the most fun horde night I had that playthrough.
This is why I've resorted to "minimalist" horde bases that have electric fences that connect from the front of the horde base to right under my shooting position, parallel to the direction the zombies come from. I can easily repair the fences throughout the night and it's so easy to set up compared to the large, multi-trapped horde bases I used to make.
it really does feel like fun pimps are basically being party poppers for the player base sometimes.. by removing things that are fun or having very questionable things in the game.. like removing bedrock bases, by having zombies start randomly digging if they are an certain distance away.. or just the very Very Questionable Design choices of the Navezgane Map... Or the thing you pointed out in this video, about how Zombies just randomly start destroying the base like one random block on the pathway to the killing zone... And lets not forget the infamous Stubble forward attack/The Speed boost.
Do a base that shoots darts up ladders. You could have multiple tiers of 10 block high ladders, with 1,500 darts per dart trap - that would be allot.
You could build a pyramid with a base 10x10x10, the next tier would be 8x8x10, and the next tier would be 6x6x10, and the next tier would be 4x4x10. That could be 88 traps (132,000 darts).
The run and gun style works for clearing out t6s so I don't see why it would not work for later hordes too. Max cardio, enhanced running shoes, megacrush, lots of banked up water, obviously parkour and as long as you have a pole or fence to hop on top of every now and then, there's nothing stopping you.
Really like creativity around horde nights, so good job sir, looking forward to seeing the next one!
For pure cheesy flavour; try a brute force base with a room big enough for a gyrocopter and see if you can force the AI to send exclusively vultures that can be targeted by e-fences and turrets, turn the works on and ride the gyrocopter in the room all night to see if you can make it an afk-brute-force-glitch base...combine like dr. maroe.
Came for the gameplay, stayed for the rants.
The most fun I've ever had in 7DTD is when my horde base failed and I had to escape it.
I would be fine if they made a final counter to exploiting zombie ai with esoteric bases and forcing you to actually make a classical bunker instead of a kill corridor, and make the option to run for your life actually not impossible.
Yes! Same! Seeing all the same bases with the ramp and walkway to the fighting box is SO BORING. I refuse to build that.
i like the large walls approach to horde bases. One of our nicest engaging horde bases we ever build was out base and horde base in 1. it was the red mesa compound. We reenforced the walls and made a floor next to the wall to be able to walk around and a 3 double garage door at the entrance to make sure they go after the walls instead. Now you are walking around and repairing the walls at that compound. And if you get a breach you still are able to fall back inside the large compound and fight there. This sort of bases keeps the game intressting as it gives you a actuall threat since you also use it as your normal base. TBH Red Mesa is simpely the best POI to make a base out of. You have the massive underground compound you can clean up and fancy up and a giant underground garage to store all the 4x4's and you can make a helicopter platform from the loot tower there
My suggestion for you is going to be do what I do when I do 'nomad' runs (where I don't have a main base). I make my horde base out of whatever POI I last looted before horde night arrives. Quick spur of the moment adaptation of POI into horde base. It makes for a good challenge because you have to figure something out quick and there can definitely be surprises.
Man, i wish the old zombie spawns were back, where zombies would just wander so often about rather than be all sleepy indoors or just outright spawn in front of you visibly
I think an obstacle course would be a fun idea. Like with traps and stuff for the zombies with little hold outs for culling the horde. Like mini horde bases that only slow zombies so you can heal or reload, maybe force crawling to get some time or to isolate dogs. To limit building you could just modify houses in a neighborhood or trailer park.
I like the new direction you are taking this playthrough.
I also have always wondered what is it exactly the devs expect you to do on horde night. Like using real world logic build a house with shooting/melee holes on all sides on ground level? The base is gone in a few minutes. Set up hundreds of spikes traps? They don't last. Just hide behind 4 walls and a ceiling with no holes? They still know exactly where you are and break through easily. I feel like to a new player playing solo theres no real solution besides to go to the internet and look up the meta. On multiplayer you can cover multiple points of a regular building from a roof and do okay-ish at least early on. You said it perfectly the devs have been trying to make it harder by directly countering meta's but it has evolved so beyond to a point where it just doesn't make any sense to inexperienced players or people not following video game logic like zombies being blocked by trapdoors in open state and to make them path over thin poles so the trickle in properly. Also zombies should not be able to do anything to top tier blocks outside of constant attacks for days to weeks if we follow traditional zombie rules and exploding zombies doing massive block damage should be like a final boss not a common enemy on horde night.
I like the Romero mod, it removes horde nights completely and adds very large wondering hordes that can appear at any time. It also makes it so that non-headshot damage to zombies is significantly reduced.
What is the romero horde?
New subscriber. I have not played horde bases for quite some time. I play a nomadic game. Increase wandering horde, increase zombie spawns by 8x per area. Cannot create any work station. Only allowed to use craft stations I am lucky enough to find. Can only craft from menu what is allowed. Everything else is found, looted or purchased. I love this playstyle. BTW thanks for entertaining, straight to the point videos and your honesty. 👍
The 3 stripes on the wall were to show the home owners were testing paint colors!
I'd say to drop the max count down to something vaguely manageable (24?) and make this a no horde base series. Trap the town up and run around on horde nights.
I can handle 64 max spawns pretty easily on horde nights without a base, I don't have to worry about repairing anything.
I know what you mean regarding just fighting the horde in the streets.
More and more, I'm only building a very small, simple place where I can take a break from the horde for a second to heal, eat, swap out gear, etc. A sort of "break room". Even just an elevated hallway with a punch turret partway to buy some seconds. Then I go back into the streets and battle.
It depends on the build. Fortitude just needs a stretch of road and a "break room". For Agility I make a little forest of pillars that require parkour, and I keep moving and hopping from one to the next (to keep the Zs moving, not smashing) while shooting downward. For Intellect just make a bunch of turrets or traps and keep kiting the zombies around the death zone, reloading turrets as you go.
Not entirely sure about Perception or Strength. I'll have to think of something.
Parkour Horde with the right perks is fun! Add in some raised platforms between buildings and you can jump from building to building, dragging the horde behind you. The magazine scrap and re-craft definitely speeds up the game if that's what one is looking for.
Thanks for uploading.
I didn't know about scrap and recraft magazine. 😮
i heard from GNS that especially when you have max 64 zombies for better game performance some zombies spawn in with dumbed down AI so they just into attack mode because its more simple than having them path to you
Enjoy your 7days to die videos, you give mutch good points what to think of, just started the game and haveing fun and enjoying watching your Series
lol The sass! Love it. Love the thumbnails too.
So sassy! 😂😂 I actually like him better now.
As far as an active horde base how about a Parkour Park? A lot of 2-3 high block walls with running ramps pits and other jumps. That way you can have ways get a chance to heal and to repair/reload.
Ah! That explains what I was seeing at my last horde night. A few zombies randomly stopping and hitting my base for no reason. Even if I shot my gun, they still just stood there smacking my base. I think you’re right they changed something. 🙄
i can say after 7,900 played hours ( yes almost 8k since Alpha 6) you can Play YOUR way, run around all night drive, i used to make a maze on roof tops in cities, what ever tickles you at the time. and yeah the fun Pimp are always trying to destroy our bases, we used to build under ground, thye added digging, heatmaps , insane JUMPING.
I once built a jungle gym of sorts of a horde base.
It had random walkways that you the player are able to jump between different areas as I put ladders 2 blocks up all over the place.
I was able to throw things from most areas, as it was all open, no walls.
It resulted in a slow start and then turned into chaotic jumping around using melee, guns, throwables with some near misses.
Sections of the base came down but it overall stayed up.
It was really fun! Obviously levels of parkour help a lot.
It was basically like intentionally using an odd poi that you build yourself, that had a lot of exit options to other layers.
It did take quite a while to build and a lot of resources, but was a blast.
Ooooh, I smell an elaborate chain link fence base coming in the future! 🤔🤔🤔
Guns, Nerds, & Steel was big on building underground bases. He built one on his first run of A21, and swore he'd never do it again due to increased digging by zombies. Also, he discovered the "dumb" zombies that sort of get lost when they spawn in on hoard night, and automatically just attack the base. That probably isn't the right way to describe it, but yeah, it's a thing.
When they made Z's dig was when I started to back away from 7D2D. It felt like TFP tossed a drink in my face just because I like to do things my way, instead of playing the way they think I should. Every time I have played since then has left me with a hollow feeling instead of enjoying it. Now, while I still watch videos occasionally, I don't even have 7D2D installed anymore.
@@jasonwright8546 yeah they threw their drink in your face! Splash! What are you doing to do about? Huh?
@@fkaiba94 Well, I quit playing, and told TFP why I quit. For all the difference it makes...
Something I do to have more fun on hordes is building a base where the zombies actually destroy blocks to get to you instead of just a corridor base. It actually feels more like a horde coming at you from all angles. So forget all your skill and knowledge and just build the base of your dreams and try to defend it.
Sounds to me like FunPimps have a problematic case of Oppositional Defiance Disorder. Aside from never updating the console version of 7dtd, that's the thing that pisses me off most about them. They've lost sight of letting us have a satisfying hordenight where the zeds get chawn up on the walls and have become obsessed with opposing everything we think of - it's the 2A/ATF rivalry all over again.
Someone needs to have a very, very firm talk with FunPimps. Because this is not the way forward.
I still don't understand why the Fun Pimps won't let us play the way we want... they should change their name to the Fun IRS. I can't even think of another developer that actively fights their own players in order to force them to play a certain way. Maybe Bethesda.
Wastelands - you can recruit armoured troops to role with you. Get a few and horde night gets spicy.
I like where this series is going, Mr. Iz
Plot twist: this is how the fun pimps want you to play, you're falling right into their trap
I'm shocked the game didn't spawn 1000 vultures on you though
This horde night was definitely more entertaining than your previous "I'll speed through everything" horde nights. Would love to see if you can go the whole series without building a "proper" horde base.
I have something like 1300 hours in, over the span of a dozen iterations of the game, and this back and forth nerfing of the players by the devs is the single thing I hate the most. Just let us fucking play.
my friend and I honestly prefer the method of taking over pre-apocalypse buildings and turn them into our base (currently we are playing the mod The Wasteland (aka Fallout stuff) and just surviving on top of a radio station right next to the trader), I have been dreading building an actual horde base for day 14 so I'm trying to think how we could trap the building abusing the Zombie AI to attack less important pillars while we stand above and pick them off with guns and arrows
I played recently for the first time in years, and i saw that they took out some of the zombie-like mechanics that you would expect zombies to use. Such as piling up dead bodies to make ramps.
The game should be to make zombies more zombie-like. Not to counter player behavior.
The rage typing is prime haha. Also it's a bold move to to do a baseless style in a base builder game.
Just play with friends and run the night on a truck. One person drives and the others shoot the vultures. It's fun and easy too =)
Personally I love building bases. It's just what I do to relax and chill out. I just hate the new skill books because they are a pain since I don't like to do the missions and now you HAVE to do the missions.
It became clear years back, that TFP had absolutely no idea what would make a good zombie game. Every version after 5 just got worse and more ridiculous. The game has become way too much of a mess due to them stretching out development far too long. They should have released a limited scope game that was fun for what it was, and moved on to a sequel if they wanted to go deeper.
Yep. They’re just mediocre developers with no leadership and no roadmap. Of COURSE they are going to keep spinning their wheels and finding reasons not to finish the game. 🤷🏻♂️
I don't know.. I disagree. Yea the games not perfect by a long shot. But I've had countless hours of fun playing it. Excited as hell for the full release. And console crossplay so me and my two sons can play together
years ago I seen a tuber do end game level horde on the street, he had about 8 junkies line the street, and an elevated safe room that he could jump into to heal, or repair. he also had a massive steel base, but did hordes on the street.
I really wish the fun pimps would just go back to making a great game we all used to enjoy. This whole them vs the player mentally they have had for years now has really destroyed my love for the game. I truly miss the game I fell in love with when started playing.
I've been working on a castle with a huge moat filled with water and metal spikes. I have a wall with drawbridges and turrets. It's been really enjoyable coming up with the design. I would love to watch a video of you building one!
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It is just a game and you should do what you find fun for me thats exploring, killing, and cooking..kinda weird i know. For my dad who i only ever play with its building and altho i hate collecting resources ill do it for him so he can enjoy it as well.. however he used to make perfect hoarde night bases but lately they've all been failing which has lead to me as soon as it falls ill just parkour my way through the hoard! There was one time he died 10 times and i didnt die once granted it was only like day 21 but i honestly had more fun that way and thats all that matters.. we used to play with zombies could only ever walk just because thats how we preferred it but now they only walk at night and thats just fun for us
Something I have enjoyed doing in 7 Days to Die is making large buildings. Like my last run, I built a cathedral-a massive structure with a decorative wall around it and various other features. I mainly created a really cool house that housed my farms, dew collectors, and more. I'd gradually upgrade everything. I wasn't very fond of horde bases; I preferred having one base that served all purposes. The biggest downside is the tediousness of building, but it's somewhat enjoyable. Of course, the repairs and defense are more appealing to me because it involves running on a wall, sniping, dealing with vultures, and being more active than standing at a fighting position. It feels more survival-like and allows for building exploration with hundreds of shapes that most UA-camrs don't deal with. The most common ways people deal with hordes are the designs you've already stated. it might be a fresh way for you to play man though idk if it woould work well for your game style hope it helps for a new idea
I dug a massive huge and deep hole by my base with my zombie walkway over it. They normally fall off in the hole, then blow em up with pipe bombs. I call it, the Blow Hole 😂😂😂😂😂
So a cool mod would be on horde night if you had to run in and clear a building full of zombies by the time the night ended instead of you protecting yourself
I dont use bases, I usually just bunker down on top of a flat building, like the clothing store, destroy the ladder going up to the roof and I can use the glass skylights to keep shooting the zombies and keep running around on the roof so they dont focus on destroying any structural supports. I was able to do this for multiple hordes with no issues.
Sometimes I go for a bike ride. Relaxing given the animation.
We used to pick a new building to quickly "fortify" and ride out the horde nights in it until it was unusable. Keept things new.
I know I havent watched every 7DTD video youve made but Ive watched at least the last 6 series I think? Have you ever done a massive undergound base? Like maybe an underground bedrock rate maze style base? See if they will run the maze or just dig straight down to you? Maybe even put in multiple entrances but them have them all feed to the same killing point you are at?
I think that would be cool to see your take on that.
A normal Fun pimps response to this no base play style will be broken legs during blood horde
I do something very similar on first, and sometimes even the second horde night. But I preemptively set some traps around places I intend to use for cover. Trenches work well at slowing zombie movement when you want to just run and gun.
No horde base runs are really fun in DF. Splitters everywhere and run and gun isn't a thing cuz there's no reload penalty
Anti hordebase idea: Hold down POIs, but you are not allowed to build, upgrade or repair the bottom 2-3 layers. Defend as long as possible, until everything collapsed, then run away (maybe to the next one you prepared). Let them devastate the whole city - you hate it anyway, don't you?
When the game stage is higher, I like to experiment with "hit point" bases where I build 4 cubes with stairs inside with an electric vault door in, and a vault door at the top to a walkway
where I am on a solid cube in the middle, with some scaffolding ladder barricades in the middle of the 4 or 6, etc. cube tower paths up to the walkways. I have it so they pile up at the upper
door, and I can use exploding crossbow bolts on them. When they are about to break the door, I can close the lower door, and open up another lower door on another hollow tower up,
eventually on insane nightmare 120+ game stage they will get through, but it is scalable to more paths up. Essentially any way that the player can alter "block hit points" to control pathing.
I think the ancient mural was paint tests to see what looks good on the wall. Super important lore and world building.
Also, for those who don’t know, the yellow wrapped palettes give like, 25 paper each. They’re often in warehouses and shipping containers.
I chose to believe it is ancient texts about an old king or something
@@IzPrebuilt oh, yeah, Old King Roy G Biv, definitely.
Yeah, the Fun Pimps constantly going, "No, you're having fun wrong," definitely killed 7d2d for me.
A21 doesn't feel like a survival game anymore. It feels more like a mobile game with loot boxes instead. I'm just opening (mail)boxes to get lucky. And doing some quests to get some random loot, which is either garbo or completely OP. (Like the "I haven't seen a beaker yet but trader randomly gave me a whole chemistry station at day 20" kind of loot).
I build horde bases just for the sheer fun of it, lol. I even purposely made them a lot weaker, and refuse to use any cheese methods...so it feels more like I'm a genuine survivor under harsh conditions and serious threats from zombies. Building horde bases are like a roleplaying stuff to me, and it's fun! I'm of those that enjoy zombies crushing my entire base down. That's the entire essence of 7 days to die. You are simply delaying the inevitable...your own final death. If you can have a base and become invincible for the rest of the game, then to me the fun is gone.
I mean my cousin and I made something like a castle like 3-4 years ago with machinations around the walls of the base and murder holes above the doors so we could always pivot and take out any zombies trying to get us, we did that agin for this update using the pipe guns to defend it and it worked well. We almost died on the second horde so we built a 4 block deep trench 3 blocks wide and made the trench wall cobblestone. Were gonna fill the trench with wood spikes and add a perimeter wall before the trench so not even the crawlers can jump over.
The problem with our base is that if the zombies funnel in and attack one area they'll break through and start digging all the way up and on to the otherside of the trench, but that's fun af cause then we have to run back and rely on our last line of defence.
I am at 10,000 ( yes 10,000 ,I have no life lol ) game hours and I know what you mean about the use of the base and TFP always trying to counter our builds. I am also not a fan of the current skill tree when compared to older alpha skill trees. I hope they change it in the future.
Learn by doing was perfect
@@peterpalmer2429 absolutely
It's always irked me that horde bases are preferable to using your home because I love to build, constantly having ideas. The problem is that my builds are often larger than 50x50 - which means my walls are basically pointless. Moving to one side to defend makes them spawn inside my walls on the opposite side. So...I have to build a base specifically for horde night - it's not even hyper efficient because I despise building stuff that looks awful simply because it's the 'best' horde base design.
If I build something, it's going to look like it actually belongs in the world - almost like it was a prefab. Yet their changes actively discourage this.
IzPrebuilt. Come for the Zombies, stay for the Rants.
I use unground tunnels and bunkers for my "home" and above ground is towers and traps with turrets that allow me to have a good experience 😊
Yup... My design for a horde base for the first few hordes on insane snow is a fortified box with hatches and stuff making sure zombies gather at the spot I want them to aka the front of the box where it's the most fortified and a few zombies hit the BACK of the box in 2 different but specific places.
it's as if 1 zombie from every 3rd wave gets stuck just whacking a random ass block at the back while the entire horde tries to break through the front.
For reference my horde base design is grounded and takes roughly an hour to build (and upgrade for the exp).
So, honestly, I've turned hordes off in all clears I've done recently. I crank up the ambient number a bit and use some of the mods (like the one GNS made) that make wandering hordes bigger and messier. Then I can pick a nice house to live in and just deal with the zombies that I accidently attract with screamers or by making noise. I think that given tfps crusade against fun I'm entirely justified basically breaking the game over my knee and giving em the finger. As for what you do Iz, I've said it before, its more fun to watch when you're having fun. So do whatever will contribute to that.
My solution to horde nights in this game was to simply disable them. I've then installed khaines wondering hoard mod and ramped it up crazy.
Every single day is an adventure randomly and it's exciting.
i agree. i also enjoy no horde base playtru. i usually just find a strong enough building, destroy the ladders and shoot with bow and arrows from the roof. after a few horde nights, the walls will be weak, then its time to find a new building.
I'm so disillusioned with horde bases that I just simply turn the horde off now. Usually, I play either Darkness Falls or Romero with the difficulty turned up. I got tired of gather resources, build/expand horde base, and repairing after whatever day the horde would fall on (got bored with knowing when the horde would come so changed that setting). I want to explore and wander the apocalypse, not constantly have to expand and repair something only used for the horde. The wandering hordes you run into while exploring feel more fun to me so I go for settings/mods that expand those.
nicee, you play with similar mentality as i do, also paper - wanted + missing posters
I typically play on default settings and have found that horde bases aren't... needed. Stock up on ammo supplies, repair kits. And spec for multiblock jump is my favorite. But you can really do what ever you want. Its a lot of fun to just jump into some generic house and go for it. Another thing i had a tojn of fun with is a stack or two of wooden spikes and just make a *giant* field of spikes. And just shoot shit as it tries to get to you and hope you can stop it before they get there lol. I do crank horde numbers up though.
I know how you feel with the day 7 mechanics. My current game actually has no hordes… it’s different.