If you have other channels, videos, or topics you'd like to see a response to, comment them to let me know! I enjoyed this video format and look forward to making more.
Would you make a video response to Shaun on the Trayvon Martin Shooting. I still don't understand on whether the shooting was justified because of the contradictions from both sides of the argument and Shaun is far too convincing for normies to debunk If the shooting was justified then how was Shaun able to twist the evidence and testimony in favor of the anti-white narrative?
I unsubsidized from their channel a few years ago when I watched a video arguing why not to have children and that they were gay. That has nothing to do with science.
Even when I was a non-church attending secularist, I became anti-abortion while working as an ER Tech in an urban Emergency Room that did so-called elective abortions. I often was responsible for cleaning up the vacuum machine and taking the abortion "contents" to the lab. One day I literally poured a fully formed small baby (fetus) that had been vacuumed out of its mother's womb into a plastic bag. I stood staring at the baby with a sick feeling. From that moment forward I began to hate abortions.
I'm from India. We had always been a very traditional family-oriented society throughout history. Globalization drastically changed this however and Western liberal ideas started infiltrating into Indian media and popular culture. As a typical Gen Z guy I also ended up being influenced by this liberal woke propaganda. But... Abortion was the point that stopped my decline into degeneracy. No matter how liberal I tried to be I just could not get myself to legitimize the murder of potential humans for the convenience of their parents. My moral convictions just could not accept that. That made me question liberal propaganda because no matter how deeply I was into it I realized that something is wrong. And slowly and steadily I got more and more disillusioned. Long story short: I am now a 21-year-old unapologetically pro-life and socially conservative guy. I am also proudly virgin and saving myself for the right woman. I want a traditional marriage and family and will not settle for anything less than that. And I try to educate others as well.
This is so refreshing to hear! I’m Indian too, raised traditionally and religiously. Although in our society it’s not just western leftist ways of thought, since female infanticide and now abortion has been a historical practice in India that continues today (which the pro-abortion “women’s rights advocates” don’t care about ofc) it’s forbidden in my religion yet people do it regardless. many men don’t want to take responsibility and will coerce their partners to abort which is tragically a very common reason for abortion. I’ve always loved children and babies so anything that comes to harm them is one of the few things I will get very irrationally angry about (tho imo it’s completely rational). I’d love to have a traditional family too with someone who shares my values, but leaving behind toxic traditions like prioritizing boys over girls and actually loving girls too. It’s a big problem still.
@@puerry Yeah that's an issue too. Plus sex-selective abortions are an issue in many parts of the world including India but also other countries like China, Pakistan, etc. The majority of aborted fetuses are female. The advocates of "women's rights" seem to conveniently ignore this fact. Even in the US black babies are three times as more likely to get aborted as white babies but this is ignored by liberal "Black Lives Matter" advocates. Apparently they don't matter to them until they are born lol. And when pointed out these things the answer is always the same - "systemic inequalities" - as if that justifies murder of the most vulnerable members of society. And as for men not wanting to take responsibility - there is a grain of truth to that I admit. But this issue has also been intensified by sexual liberation which is very much linked to women's rights movements. So we cannot really blame one gender over the other. There are just irresponsible people everywhere. And also about traditional family and what you said about preferring boys over girls - I don't really consider that as part of traditional values but rather as a distortion. Traditional values emphasize that men and women are different and not interchangeable but that does not mean that one is superior to the other. Any truly traditional parent would love his or her sons and daughters equally. When I said that I want a traditional marriage I did not mean that I'd treat my future wife as an object lol. Objectification has nothing to do with tradition. Even liberals can objectify people. What is hookup culture if not using the other person as an object for one's sexual gratification?
How did Canada go from pro-monarchy loyalism to what it is today!? The French-English divide meant that it was hard to unify against leftism because they were too busy being at eachother's throats.
I've recently dug myself out of a far left ideological hole. This video gave me an entirely different view of abortion. It's really interesting the ways statistics can be manipulated to fit any cause
To be fair, most sides have elements of truth in it, even the more extreme ends. The problem is that the moment you disagree with them on an issue they deem "sacred," they will ostracize you from their group. So a person can agree 90% with the far-left, but if they're anti-abortion, they are deemed a women-hater and ostracized.
I searched for a debunking video because i just saw the Democrat vs republican like brain video. And they basically say that Republicans are fearful monsters who don't care about feeling and shit . It actually hurts to watch this bs when it's so one sided
Surely you have it the wrong way round no? Red Pill people always complain about being discredited because of them being Straight, White, Males. Now we see that argument being used by this community to discredit Gay Men's opinions.
Notice how they made the pro life drawing a man and the pro choice a women, to try and portray this as an issue of sexism. Theres no way a woman could be pro life right? My word I despise that pair of soyboys
Also, even if one is Pro Choice, I wonder why they would be against emergency care centers for pregnant women. Because if abortion is something that is coerced by poverty, violence and social marginality, it's not that much of a free choice, isn't it ? Also, that statistic about the safety of abortion for the mother, does it take into account various safety of abortion during late stage ?
@@enigmaticvaran6597 Not equivalent and you're too idiotic to even begin to point out where is the inequivalence, it's obvious but you won't state it because one variable is not the same as another variable in terms of scope and ability.
May i have the names of some of These based channels? Recently discovered pax and hearing that there is even more based content out there is getting me excited.
@@regularmemer6917 Sorry for the late reply. I normally only watch UA-cam on the weekend, so I likely missed the original notification for your comment. The only reason I’m here is because of the notification for PaxTubes new video. Here are some of the channels I stumbled across this year that make good content: Flavius Settlers Lament UBERSOY Wagnerocks Parse The Noise Kyle Frank Mr Patriarch Metapolititcs Veratas Hope this helps.
Makes me sick to my stomach, the reasonable side of me hopes any pro choice people are more ignorant than they are bad, if only they could realize the horrors of the "procedure"
I used to be pro choice... And I can honestly say that it's because I was ignorant. Then I went to school for ultrasound and witnessed my first D&C in real life. Watched the "products of conception" (the baby) be ripped apart on the ultrasound screen in real-time. That's when I realized, all of those "pro-choice" arguments I'd had, I was completely wrong.
@@maddzzz123 I was going to write that there are some acts that are horrific on their face and not recoiling after doing or watching it happen leaves one bankrupt.
I also used to be pro-choice because I thought it was this clean and easy way of just removing parental responsibilities. However, I realized to my own horror what exactly I was promoting when I saw photos of aborted fetuses. I still feel disgust towards myself for having ever supported what is essentially a legal and tax payer funded infanticide.
my mom actually knew a woman who had an abortion over a decade ago and she still feels extremely guilty to this day. But the media always portrays women as happy after getting an abortion. It's truly sickening
I watched through the cartoon section of the dilation + evacuation portion of this video and was shocked and horrified by the demonstration. A little human being pulled apart is unimaginable.
It makes me laugh because the genocidal maniac who creates this show justified the crusades by smearing the victims of christianity. This is something christians *always* do like that time the protestant religion held a Holocaust and murdered 12 million Jews, gays, disabled people, and all the others that christians hate.
One thing i think goes underappreciated is that when screening for birth or genetic defects, false positives are common. I believe for down syndrome, which i was diagnosed with in the womb, 50% of positive results are just wrong (which was my case). if someone tries to tell you they want to have abortions legal in such cases, your position should of course be that killing people because of birth defects is horrifically evil, but never fail to remind them how many healthy babies they'd be killing as well.
@@getalifesmh2605 how can you kill a kid of they haven't even started their life yet?😂 I understand why abortion would be terrible, but you have to hear the full story some women are raped and become pregnant, they don't want to raise a baby like this, also even if they became pregnant with a partner and chose to kill the baby late in pregnancy, it's actually good. I'm not saying that it should be their choice but there are to many humans on this planet, if people are willing to give up their unborn baby then whatever. It's good for the environment.
Well it's a fucked up situation because it's more of a symptom of the disease than a cause. Personally I'd never want these kind of people reproducing in the first place because if they don't just suffocate the baby with a pillow then they'll probably torture them until they become the next generation of bioleninist stormtroopers
I don’t know how a funny video about an anime girl singing about gay people sent me to this channel, but I’m grateful for it to say the least. Keep up the awesome work dude!
Random spoilers for Bleach (It is a huge plot point) Maybe that how the Soul King is mutilated, and it is not very pretty and done on fearful motives. I guess I can understand how the Soul King feels and why he is quite resentful.
You should do a response video to Bill Nye the Science Guy. The guy admitted to himself he's not a real scientist, and even got so much science facts wrong, especially in that cringe tv series called ''Bill Nye Saves the World''.
Think about it this way. Its obviously fine for the mother to abort her child before its developed any meaningful consciousness. If the majority of abortions are before this point, would you still call yourself pro life while being in favour of most abortions?
@@RandomGuy-pi5zl most abortions are done because people have become irresponsible and use segs for the sake of "having fun" There are certain cases when abortion is necessary but they happen rarely (like when you are sure that baby is dead inside or has some genetic disorder, or is the result of rabe or incest)
@@lilestojkovicii6618 This isn't a response to what I said here but I'll respond to it anyway. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having sex for fun. I would agree its irresponsible to have unprotected sex for fun, but only because its very inconvenient to have an abortion.
@@RandomGuy-pi5zlyou said something along the lines of it's "obviously fine for a mother to abort her child before it's developed any meaningful consciousness." I disagree that this is so obvious. From a scientific, biological POV, life is not dependent on consciousness. For example, people who are comatose are not conscious, but in many cases they eventually will be again. Does that mean it's ok to kill comatose people? And, more pressingly, what about people with extreme disabilities, surely we can't kill them at will even if we deem they don't have "meaningful consciousness?" This brings me to my overall point: what is your definition of meaningful consciousness? In order to draw a line in the sand between meaningful and meaningless consciousness would require pairing science with a spiritual or religious moral framework that dictates what is meaningful. But aren't pro-lifers often attacked for bringing religion into politics just for saying that every human life matters regardless of age, size, ability, or consciousness? It seems like your argument boils down to one of these two lines of thinking: 1) it's okay to abort fetuses as long as they are not sufficiently developed to be aware of it, because they don't realize they are being killed. When stated like this, this worldview seems to suggest that we can victimize people however we want as long as they don't realize it, a notion which is almost universally agreed upon as false. 2) it's okay to abort fetuses that don't possess meaningful consciousness because, contrary to the scientific fact that *biological* life begins at the moment of conception, *human* life (or personhood) doesn't begin until meaningful consciousness exists. Whatever meaningful consciousness means. Sorry if this comes across as superior or annoying that's truly not my intent. I genuinely hope that you will seriously consider the points I've raised here. Thank you for choosing to engage in this important discussion in good faith. Have a good day and God bless.
@@troymazzei5976 Hey Troy, I'm happy to talk about this subject with you. I'll try to cover each point you made Its pretty clear once a being gains significant moral value, it maintains it, even through things like comas, so long as there is a likelihood it will become conscious again. For example, If there were a rock that would become sentient tomorrow, there would be no harm in destroying that rock before it reaches that point. From the other end we can also imagine a person in a permanent coma or being dead. We don't care about harm being bought to something that will never regain sentience.(Obviously we don't like seeing dead bodies being messed with but that's not the point I'm making) Thus, It would be ridiculous to suggest the second a new life begins in the womb, that being not only has value, but has so much value that we can condemn a woman to 9 months of developing that child without her consent. In the scenario I'm describing, one would literally be forcing a woman to remain pregnant against her will for a life any rational person would consider on the same level as a rock. No thoughts, No feelings, No nothing. If I were to give you a hypothetical in return, would you rather save a Woman from a burning building, or a container of 1000 embryos? 1,000,000,000 embryos? Once these points are accepted we are now asking ourselves a new question, not is there a line, but where? First of all, there are plenty of moral frameworks that aren't spiritual or religious. I don't need to believe in the supernatural to think kicking puppies is wrong The way I look at drawing a line is through incrementally pushing it back to a reasonable position. Lets start by continuing where I left off. The point at which a human develops sentience on the most basic of levels is around 7 weeks (www.jneurosci.org/content/20/5/1858). At this point is when we see a monolayer cortex where comparisons could be made to a very primitive fish. This is before we see any sign of somatosensory information which I think many would consider vital. To quote the Journal of Maternal-Fetal Medicine: "It is concluded that the basic neuronal substrate required to transmit somatosensory information develops by mid-gestation (18 to 25 weeks), however, the functional capacity of the neural circuitry is limited by the immaturity of the system. Thus, 18 to 25 weeks is considered the earliest stage at which the lower boundary of sentience could be placed. At this stage of development, however, there is little evidence for the central processing of somatosensory information. Before 30 weeks gestational age, EEG activity is extremely limited and somatosensory evoked potentials are immature, lacking components which correlate with information processing within the cerebral cortex. Thus, 30 weeks is considered a more plausible stage of fetal development at which the lower boundary for sentience could be placed." With that in mind, we can get a decent idea of where the lower bound of our line should be. Now lets go back from birth to set our upper bound. Once the child becomes viable outside the womb, and the child will likely be safe, I think most people would agree it would be wrong to kill that child. Furthermore, if we know the child will likely be safe if the mother only has to hold on a couple more weeks, I think most people would be in favour of that. Thus we can set our upper bound around 23-26 weeks Meaningful Consciousness means the reasonable point at which a baby has developed things like low level sentience, somatosensory information, etc... There are many more arguments we can use to narrow or move this boundary, but I think I've illustrated enough that not only can a line be drawn, but no line would be a serious disregard for the lives of women everywhere. Thanks for the comment
I'm not christian but I'm pro-life The only moments I'm pro-choice is if the pregnant woman has been raped or risk her life and she don't want to die. But now people treat abortion like some kind of sport without thinking about consequences like depression post-abortion. Also I don't understand why they want to normalize abortion at the ninth month, I mean, you had the fetus for 8 months and NOW you want to get rid of it like nothing?
Good for you man, don’t listen to those people telling you that you need to be religious to be Pro-life. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out human life has value after all!
@@AragornRespecter ermm it precisely does. Without God your morals fade into dust. How does human life have any arbitrary value in a universe which came from nothing and evolved life without intelligence. Everything is subjective without a God. You are drawing from christian morals without even knowing it.
@@uwirbfj the value of human life coming about naturally is that we are still special(coming from a Christian temporarily looking in the shoes of the other side) Despite all the things that could of gone wrong, things that could of resulted in earth being destroyed, they came to exist and shall return to non existence. Human life is limited and that gives it value. Perhaps even more than in a situation with the immortal soul, for life being limited gives each situation more significance and value behind it. Like supply and demand for time, an immortal soul has infinite supply so their time is more cheap, while one that ceases to be on death has limited supply of time which exponentially increases its value Morality meanwhile stems from empathy. Empathy is an innate feature of intelligent life, and stemming from us being social creatures who care for each other.
I do not understand how feminists can assert that women have no power, when there exists a legal sanction to kill a completely dependent human being that relies upon a woman for its survival. At least in the case a woman against a rapist, she can defend herself, will inevitably survive the encounter, & can seek justice against her attacker. A child in the womb has none of these sureties.
"Abortion is every woman's right." - This was the opinion of a liberal in my friend group who everybody agrees with. He often finds himself undefeated in debates because of other people joining on his side. "I believe it's every woman's right to get rid of the child; not to end them, unless they were the product of rape or a number of other crimes." - This was my opinion. I have never won a political debate in my life. - I've designed a new system to win in this conflict. Whether or not you agree, I managed to end him with this. The system is simple; Have the government invest into the foster care system, as well as assist in it's development by getting police and child protective services on the scene. Then, use taxpayer money to perpetuate free healthcare, including free c-sections. The woman can choose to donate the child to an improved foster care system if she doesn't want to or cannot raise it. - He broke down the second I told of the system. - At first he retreated to the idea of 92% of abortions being of necessity (crepe, incest, etc.). - I mentioned that out of the 640,000 abortions across the US every year, 51,000 of those are for personal/unspecified reasons (Pain, convenience, etc.) all of which are resolved by my system. This means that while the 92% are emergencies and the rest simply won't happen. - Like the npc he is, he retreated a second time to the idea that if the family is too poor they have to end it. - I countered by claiming that the foster care system would be responsible for paying for the child, not the mother; it's government money. - He retreated again, saying that "the woman would just end the baby anyway" which made absolutely no sense. - I stated that the woman has no right to end a baby that is now being sent to foster care. - He said that foster care is hell on earth, and I mentioned that the overhaul would make it so it wasn't. - After that, he decided that it was "The woman's right to choose whether or not that baby can be alive on earth." in those words exactly. I'm typing this out right after the debate so my memory is on point. - I told him that it isn't a woman's right to decide whether or not that child gets to experience the sensations of life; It would be the unborn baby's choice, legally speaking and that from a moral perspective it was wrong to say otherwise. - He extended the discussion to gun rights because "those end people too - we end people every day". I didn't counter that, but I can now; the difference between someone getting shot and an unborn baby being aborted is that the mother isn't considered a criminal, and shooters don't have any connection, be it by family, spirit, or emotion to their victims. The victim is actually in a better place than the child because at least they got to feel and appreciate the world before they were killed. The baby didn't even have time to see what it was losing. You're denying it everything - literally everything for your own convenience in these cases. Cases which this guy fought for. It's worthy of note that my mother tried to abort me in 2004. Luckily, we were in Texas and the court gave my father all of the power he needed to put her back in her place.
Yeah no. Firstly, abortion bans don’t work and to ban them would be illogical. This is backed by studies and data. Second of all, a woman’s bodily autonomy allows her access to everything in her body, including the embryo or foetus. Abortion is her right and banning it wouldn’t even reduce rates.
@@marajesty311 I suggest you take all of this up with Pax Tube, rather than debating me, but if you like, I'll go for a round in the ring. - For starters, present your links and watch the video that you happen to be commenting on. That should give me a proper reading of the 'studies and data' you wish to present while also giving you an idea of what I'm referring to. - Second, site the exact article and section of the US constitution which details a woman's right to a proper abortion (I.E Amendment 1, Section 2). I have a paperback copy in my hands right now, so I'll be sure to check it out. - If you can't do either of those, I'd suggest you stop before you make yourself look like some kinda fool.
I'm gonna be honest, being Pro-life in a Pro-abortion world is borderline depressing sometimes to the point where I wonder if I want to live in such a world. But I always tell myself that things can get better and things can change. There was a time when slavery and segregation was normal and accepted and thats no longer the case. Perhaps in the future, abortion will be seen as one of the many vile and barbaric practices of the past. I hope I can see that day.
@@EC-jd9ej Oh, please. Men are already slaves to the federal government. Women complaining about not being able to murder children while being able to do whatever you want in politics without any contribution besides taxes, is comedic. You aren't slaves - you are entitled.
my mom told me she aborted a baby when she was with her past boyfriend, she said that she was forced to, she was was abused daily by that man and even kicked in the stomach, to this day my mom thinks that the baby would of been something today, me and my mom do not support unnecessary abortion.
In the UK, there is soon to be a law that remains of a miscarriage should be treated with respect. That's all right and proper, but the article that I read on this matter described the remains as "a baby". If a three month miscarriage is a baby, why is the remains of an abortion described as "a fetus"?
@@lilestojkovicii6618 Nothing. The problem comes when people have sex WITH the intention of having kids. Sure, roughly 200 of the sperm get lucky, but the rest of the 300 million little lives get destroyed. It's mass murder. Celibacy is the only ethical way to live your life.
I’ve seen comments on the video mentioned here 5:02 downplaying the horrors being demonstrated. Many of that video’s comments said things like, “The fetus doesn’t look like that at that age” or “This is just fear-mongering”
I was for abortion when I was young cause noone told me how its actually done. I thought it mostly just involves taking "the pill after". Then my brother told me what it actually is and how its done. I was disgusted I couldnt and still cant understand how a doctor, who has taken an oath to preserve life, can preform such a cruel act. Its the lowest form of murder in my opinion.
Nothing more funny in this than the fact that there are homosexuals trying to teach science, as if they know any. Its horrifying that they are one of the biggest channels in that regard, cheers to you bro iam supporting you
I mean gay can learn science there nothing stopping them from doing it I'm totally ok with gay people there just normal people it's not like gay people physicly can't understand stuff
@@IWasOnceAFetus Correct me if I’m wrong but my recollection of the story is that a decent sized group of a few thousand adults were surveyed on who would be the most qualified to say when life begins, and the majority said biologists. Then an even larger group of biologists were asked if the human zygote is the first stage of human life (or something to that effect, it’s been a while since I read through the paper) including a lot of pro-choice biologists. Once everyone including the pro-choice biologists realized they basically admitted that human life begins at conception, they started slandering the study saying it’s evangelical extremist propaganda, that human life is philosophical and not scientific (lol), that the results were taken out of context, that the biologists are wrong and don’t know what they’re talking about, that the study is biased/poorly made, et cetera… The way I interpret it is that people are selectively fans of the truth only when it’s something they agree with. And then once it turns out it’s something they don’t like, they shift the goalposts so to speak.
@@cygnus_XI yep. You're right. But there's more to the story. Steve Jacobs who was the one who did the study was actively suppressed from getting the study done. Took him almost 5 years I think to get it done because of all the interference. Check out, "HAMMER: A World-Renowned University Suppressed Important Abortion Research. By Josh Hammer" You can check that out. I just checked. The story is still up at Daily Wire's website.
9:44 No way!!!!!!!! You're telling me that a law that allow you to have an abortion increase the number of abortion what a surprise i'm truly shocked!!!!!!
Well, if you put the snark back in your fanny pack, you would realize that's the argument that Pro abortionists make: "Women will have the abortions anyway, banning the act won't change anything. The only difference will be more dead mothers from back alley abortions." My man Pax was simply pointing out how false that narrative is by using statistics aka (poison for the irrational mind). Tik tok makes it hard to pay attention to 12 minute videos though sometimes. I believe in you brother, you'll come around eventually.
I see it, but it doesn't address what actually keeps me pro choice, which is the fact that the baby isn't a person yet! Like yeah, it's a biological human, but it doesn't have any personal value yet. I don't feel bad killing a mindless insect, because it doesn't have any hopes, dreams, stories, morals, thoughts, etc. An unborn baby has no personality, no hopes and dreams, nothing. It's just an empty shell of a human. And you might argue "same goes for a newborn!" But when a baby has been carried to birth, that clearly shows that people care about and love it, and it now has a purpose. If a baby is soon to be aborted, nobody cares about it, and it doesn't care about itself, and we are losing absolutely nothing by getting rid of it.
That’s in incredibly ironic quote, considering the Bible is chock full of examples of god punishing people for the sins of their Fathers. Most notably when he drowned every baby on the planet because he was unhappy with their Fathers.
@@enigmaticvaran6597That wasn't a punishment, because in the Christian framework, people don't really "die," they just change locations. So the babies go straight to Heaven for infinite eternity, that's not a punishment. Plus, the flood was more about doing a reset than punishing people. God saw the corruption on Earth and knew it was a disaster, so He decided to start over with the few good people that did exist.
@@enigmaticvaran6597except that isn’t what the flood was. It wasn’t a punishment, but instead a refresh of the world because no one was faithful to God and everyone would live in sin for hundreds of years.
@@TheLegendOfRandy well, to put it simply I just didn't know that much about pregnancy, or more importantly how they were performed. By chance I looked up a former abortion doctor. When I learned in depth what happens to these innocent beings I almost threw up. I've been pro life ever since
@@Rubydrawz I was pro choice, then pro life and now I'm pro choice again. Have you seen Philosophy Tube - Ben shapiro and abortion Since 2 months ago?
@@Stuff857 no- but I'm like you. I was pro choice then pro life, then pro choice and now I'm pro life. I've taken time to understand both sides of the argument and I'm standing firm in my opinion
In Romania there have been more abortions (22.5 million) since the 50s than people currently living in the country (19 million) because the communist regime in the 50s and early to mid 60s encouraged abortion as "contraception" in some years in the 60s we had as many as 1 million abortions. Then the leadership of the communist party was changed and all abortion *and actual contraception* were banned leading to hundreds of thousands of illegal abortions because actual contraception didn't exist. After the communist party officially fell in 1989 abortion and contraception were fully liberalized but for many years in the 90s we had an insane number of abortions. Now in the present day we still have more abortions on average than other eu countries and we also don't have any type of sex ed and talking about actual contraceptive methods is taboo. So in the end we have many abortions and many teenage mothers (especially in poor rural areas) at the same time, which is a complete disaster.
Great video! I just wish you would have pointed out the fact that they skipped the entire abortion process that occurs after 24 weeks. They deflected by saying that it is "rare", but did not go on to discuss, or even mention the name of the procedure that is used during this time. That, I believe, is the worst part...
@@enigmaticvaran6597 Yes that God, and what? If my God truly exists he created Heaven and Hell, where do you think babies would go giving that they did not sin? But you being an atheist probably don't believe in right and wrong.
The funniest way to confuse an abortion apologist is to aks wheather a fetus is a property or a person. Once you put abortion into a consistant moral framework, you can ask "Is forced abortion a murder or a property damage?" and there the argument ends, because no mother that pays taxes will accept their "fetus" to be considered a property with no rights of it's own, to be removed from her by the state if an institution wishes so
The state is not forcing women to get abortions. The only forcing states are doing is FORCING women to remain pregnant against their will mostly to save the lives of clumps of cells with no significant conscious experience.
Great video, Pax! Just the point on the end: what extreme case would justify the murder of a baby? Do you mean to say, rather, that removal of the baby in order to save the life of the mother as in the case of an ectopic pregnancy would be justified? Because I would agree with that too. That just isn't an abortion, though. It's the principle of double effect.
1:11 you can tell someone is gay by their voice. It tends to be a little higher and they say things more childishly and the way in which they say something is way more feminine. "Oh my gosh yes you have no idea. Like its like he just wont leave me alone" Think of that but a little higher pitched then your voice
Not necessarily More and more men have weaker voices today as a result of lack of testosterone caused by microplastics so the initial difference isn't that precise
We are taught in Islam that the child gets a soul after 120 days Abortion after that is considered a sin and killing, it is only ok if it presents a danger on the mother's life
Islam also teaches that Allah incurred a flood that drowned every baby on the planet whether it had been born or not, but religious people don’t like to think about that.
@@enigmaticvaran6597 wow you are so smart you just cherry picked one of the thousands bible verses and act like its something absolute (not to mention that its from the Old testament)
I'm from vietnam and i want to state my opinion on the subject: 1/ Abortion in vietnam is legal yes and Supported by the state because the country prioritize family planning and reduce poverty.(*) (*) Raising children is expensive and cause alot of strain on many family and put alot of pressure on the heath and school system so the government want to help people stop having to much children that they can't take care of, promote family planning of family of 4 ( father, mother and 2 child) so as Incentivize to invest in their 2 children future more for higher Education, Instead of having many children they can't take care of and have to make them work to help the family in the field, this is still happening in the countryside to this day. 2/ Poor Education because of poor sex education many girl have children while still at school age this make of a large amount of abortion which is reduce in more urban area with higher standard of living. 3/ Due to oppion of only a male can be success and continue the family Steep in confusion and traditionalism many family want to have male Instead of female which resulted in alot of abortion we the baby was a girl. That is only a small oppion of mine that I like to share about our country i Personally pro choice because i Believe people Should Receive the best education and make the best informed choice they wanted, i Believe that it better to have a safe choice Rather than None at all.( i hope you can help me with the information i see from Is both side and hope you can over look my poor english and presentation skill, at school in sex-ed class we were show a much more detail explanation of the process and picture of the Fetus it pretty Traumatizing but i belive that people can understand their Consequences and made the best choice they have at the time because we were all once young and dumb but have to grow and under stand the pain of abortion is greater than birth and leave scar)
Regardless of situations and anything, doing abortion consciously is murder period full stop. Life begins at conception; we need these wonderful gifts (aka the children both born and unborn) for they are the future generation. If this abomination of a method is legalized, well, we have gone down to the depths of the abyss... the elimination and decimation of future children :((
Valuing clumps of unconscious cells over basic Women's rights is beyond stupid. Calling them "future children" is hiding the truth of what they really are, rocks (In most cases)
The increase of birth control did NOT influence the drop. If it did, unintended pregnancies would have decreased correlatively with it. But the unintended pregnancy rates have been relatively consistent. contraception access increased meanwhile.
5:17 Oh my gosh. That is actually horrible. Why would someone be ok with RIPPING A BABY INTO MULTIPLE CHUNKS!!.!??!?!?! Imagine if it was out what would you thi g then?
The problem is that when there’s this much divide on something like this there will never be compromise. Our political adversaries are pro-murder, pro-sexual deviancy, anti-family, anti-american identity. These people are too fundamentally different thus evil (we align with god). It’s literally god vs evil. Not to mention they’re generally unattractive and usually have some sort of mental illness. They feel right when they define our moral judgement as “thinking with feelings”. What is a society void of feeling? A society void of identity? A society void of tradition? I’m not interested in being indistinguishable from the rest of the world. The values shared by these people are international. Why reject originality? Why reject creativity? When the best they can say to us forming “arbitrary” moral values on things like abortion and sexual degeneracy is that its illogical, then I’m not interested in peacefully coexisting. I don’t want a country that tolerates things like this in the name of feminism (rooted in sexual freedom). Its clear even within rw and lw twitter. All the left wing memes are stolen from the right and all of theirs are objectively unfunny. It consists of sexualized minors groomed into being transgender. It consists of people unwilling to recognize a distinguishable american identity. I see no common ground. The establishment is on the side of these sick people. Even the gop stands by. Perhaps fascism is the answer. If the constitution is used as a means of defending their views then it has failed us. Democracy has failed us. Our founding fathers would quite clearly be standing with us. The country is unrecognizable. Those who risked their lives defending our country side with us. It isnt theirs to manipulate. Our allegiance is to god and the american people, tradition, and identity. We cant let our country fall into the hands of globalism. Off whats going on right now there is no political solution. The level of fear and anger on the right compliments a national fascist revolution. America is for anybody willing to accept our tradition, flag, history, and values. These people say having blacks being college educated and getting jobs is indicative of whiteness being forced upon them. If the definition to these people of whiteness is the american way the the majority of america is white supremacist. The media gaslights and misconstrues our values as “nazi” “white supremacist” “racist” etc. its easy to radicalize a mob of plebeians when they’re convinced this is what we stand by. The natural reaction to this is to go as far left as possible. Be as radicalized as possible. Make sure the people youve been told ur whole life are evil get no political validation. The right has been far too soft and open minded with these people. They’re relentless. Way too many concessions have been made in the name of unity. Something extreme is coming and it isnt from the left.
Okay I am pro-life and appreciate that you at least show the snippets of sources where you get your claims and arguments from, but some you don't. It certainly can't be that hard to give them to us in the description or name drop them in the video.
That Dr Levatino video single-handedly started me down the path that changed me from apathetic to the abortion debate to vehemently opposed to abortion.
I’ve just gotten up to 4:15 I swear to god if ASAP science doesn’t have the intellectual honesty and integrity to detail step by step how the baby is removed I’m gonna go mad I think they’re not intellectually honest enough And I just watched it And they didn’t even state how the baby is removed limb from limb those bloody liars
1st trimester is a very liberal choice. Judging on current knowledge and my personal choice of limit (ability to feel pain) anything longer than 6-7 weeks is immoral and should not be allowed. (Source: The cutaneous withdrawal reflex in human neonates: sensitization, receptive fields, and the effects of contralateral stimulation. Andrews K, Fitzgerald M Pain. 1994 Jan; 56(1):95-101.). For the note to people trying to fit me in some religion cupboard - I do not subscribe to any of them.
4:02 dude, just a suggestion: you may not be able to show the pictures on UA-cam but I think you can put links to sites that show these pictures and videos in the description.
56 million abortions annually worldwide, I do not even have words. 56 million babies. That is probably one of the most heartbreaking things I have ever heard in my life
If you have other channels, videos, or topics you'd like to see a response to, comment them to let me know!
I enjoyed this video format and look forward to making more.
Make a video about the french revolution
Would you make a video response to Shaun on the Trayvon Martin Shooting. I still don't understand on whether the shooting was justified because of the contradictions from both sides of the argument and Shaun is far too convincing for normies to debunk
If the shooting was justified then how was Shaun able to twist the evidence and testimony in favor of the anti-white narrative?
Why is your youtube picture a anime girl.
@@Hornetog9vp Chad on a computer: "Oh, a cute anime girl, i'm gonna choose her as my pfp"
@@PJTheSimple This.
I unsubsidized from their channel a few years ago when I watched a video arguing why not to have children and that they were gay. That has nothing to do with science.
Even when I was a non-church attending secularist, I became anti-abortion while working as an ER Tech in an urban Emergency Room that did so-called elective abortions. I often was responsible for cleaning up the vacuum machine and taking the abortion "contents" to the lab. One day I literally poured a fully formed small baby (fetus) that had been vacuumed out of its mother's womb into a plastic bag. I stood staring at the baby with a sick feeling. From that moment forward I began to hate abortions.
That's a rough, rough way of waking up.
Holy moly dude... that's like a literal nightmare. I hope you're doing okay, seeing something like that is beyond evil.
It’s in our nature to hate the sacrifice of children
“Carthage must be destroyed”
@@19ate4 Based and Chestertonpilled. Carthago delenda est!
Many will see the baby and still think what they do is right, or rather they don't care that it's wrong
I'm from India. We had always been a very traditional family-oriented society throughout history. Globalization drastically changed this however and Western liberal ideas started infiltrating into Indian media and popular culture. As a typical Gen Z guy I also ended up being influenced by this liberal woke propaganda.
But...
Abortion was the point that stopped my decline into degeneracy. No matter how liberal I tried to be I just could not get myself to legitimize the murder of potential humans for the convenience of their parents. My moral convictions just could not accept that.
That made me question liberal propaganda because no matter how deeply I was into it I realized that something is wrong.
And slowly and steadily I got more and more disillusioned.
Long story short:
I am now a 21-year-old unapologetically pro-life and socially conservative guy. I am also proudly virgin and saving myself for the right woman. I want a traditional marriage and family and will not settle for anything less than that. And I try to educate others as well.
With (mental) gymnastics like that youll bust both your nuts before losing your virginity
This is so refreshing to hear! I’m Indian too, raised traditionally and religiously. Although in our society it’s not just western leftist ways of thought, since female infanticide and now abortion has been a historical practice in India that continues today (which the pro-abortion “women’s rights advocates” don’t care about ofc) it’s forbidden in my religion yet people do it regardless.
many men don’t want to take responsibility and will coerce their partners to abort which is tragically a very common reason for abortion. I’ve always loved children and babies so anything that comes to harm them is one of the few things I will get very irrationally angry about (tho imo it’s completely rational). I’d love to have a traditional family too with someone who shares my values, but leaving behind toxic traditions like prioritizing boys over girls and actually loving girls too. It’s a big problem still.
@@puerry Yeah that's an issue too. Plus sex-selective abortions are an issue in many parts of the world including India but also other countries like China, Pakistan, etc. The majority of aborted fetuses are female. The advocates of "women's rights" seem to conveniently ignore this fact. Even in the US black babies are three times as more likely to get aborted as white babies but this is ignored by liberal "Black Lives Matter" advocates. Apparently they don't matter to them until they are born lol. And when pointed out these things the answer is always the same - "systemic inequalities" - as if that justifies murder of the most vulnerable members of society.
And as for men not wanting to take responsibility - there is a grain of truth to that I admit. But this issue has also been intensified by sexual liberation which is very much linked to women's rights movements. So we cannot really blame one gender over the other. There are just irresponsible people everywhere.
And also about traditional family and what you said about preferring boys over girls - I don't really consider that as part of traditional values but rather as a distortion. Traditional values emphasize that men and women are different and not interchangeable but that does not mean that one is superior to the other. Any truly traditional parent would love his or her sons and daughters equally. When I said that I want a traditional marriage I did not mean that I'd treat my future wife as an object lol. Objectification has nothing to do with tradition. Even liberals can objectify people. What is hookup culture if not using the other person as an object for one's sexual gratification?
0:45
>two homosexuals
>from Canada
no need to repeat ourselves here...
How did Canada go from pro-monarchy loyalism to what it is today!? The French-English divide meant that it was hard to unify against leftism because they were too busy being at eachother's throats.
@@practicaltm9797 it happened because Canada is an American puppet state. Thank Washington.
@@agnusdei6035 *globalist (international wealthy elite) puppet state. But yes I know what you mean.
@@practicaltm9797 No I got it right the first time
@@agnusdei6035 it isnt, it isnt at all, its part of the commonwealth of the UK
I've recently dug myself out of a far left ideological hole. This video gave me an entirely different view of abortion. It's really interesting the ways statistics can be manipulated to fit any cause
Welcome to the resistance.
Its always nice to see people do that
To be fair, most sides have elements of truth in it, even the more extreme ends. The problem is that the moment you disagree with them on an issue they deem "sacred," they will ostracize you from their group. So a person can agree 90% with the far-left, but if they're anti-abortion, they are deemed a women-hater and ostracized.
It happens to the best of us.
congratulations on falling into a deeper far right hole!!
ASAP science; also told everyone to "unironically eat the bugs, bigot!" So everyone also has to take that into account
They also told that masturbation is healthy
Such channels are ruining lives of many
I searched for a debunking video because i just saw the Democrat vs republican like brain video. And they basically say that Republicans are fearful monsters who don't care about feeling and shit . It actually hurts to watch this bs when it's so one sided
@@lilestojkovicii6618 It is. Scientifically, masturbation is perfectly natural and healthy.
@@marajesty311 Groomer
@@marajesty311 Its addictive though, first hand account (no pun intended).
An argument about abortion made by a male couple? This is the ultimate form of their own favorite word, "mensplaining" KEK
Surely you have it the wrong way round no? Red Pill people always complain about being discredited because of them being Straight, White, Males. Now we see that argument being used by this community to discredit Gay Men's opinions.
Notice how they made the pro life drawing a man and the pro choice a women, to try and portray this as an issue of sexism. Theres no way a woman could be pro life right? My word I despise that pair of soyboys
Actually its transphobic to say abortion is a womans issue according to the most radical progressives
Probably because men haven't had to deal with an unwanted pregnancy
@@panicatthechemicalfalloutboys ???????????? Theres literally pro life women wtf are you on about
@@raiden2048 Yes, there will be, but isn't there more pro life men then there is pro life woman?
It's in men's interest to be pro choice, especially men who sleep around a lot and don't respect woman (so the mysoginists you hate so much)
Also, even if one is Pro Choice, I wonder why they would be against emergency care centers for pregnant women. Because if abortion is something that is coerced by poverty, violence and social marginality, it's not that much of a free choice, isn't it ? Also, that statistic about the safety of abortion for the mother, does it take into account various safety of abortion during late stage ?
Babies lives matter 🥺
@asrgaqgq sdfgsdgsdfgsdg ik fetuses matter
True BLM (Babies Lives Matter)
Except for the millions of babies that were implicitly drowned in the flood described in the book of Genesis, apparently.
@@enigmaticvaran6597
Not equivalent and you're too idiotic to even begin to point out where is the inequivalence, it's obvious but you won't state it because one variable is not the same as another variable in terms of scope and ability.
White babies
So many based channels popping up in my recommended. It’s like 2017 all over again. Keep it up dude!
May i have the names of some of These based channels? Recently discovered pax and hearing that there is even more based content out there is getting me excited.
@@regularmemer6917 wouldn’t you like to know fed boy
Hey give me the based sites i'm not a fed
@@regularmemer6917 Sorry for the late reply. I normally only watch UA-cam on the weekend, so I likely missed the original notification for your comment.
The only reason I’m here is because of the notification for PaxTubes new video.
Here are some of the channels I stumbled across this year that make good content:
Flavius
Settlers Lament
UBERSOY
Wagnerocks
Parse The Noise
Kyle Frank
Mr Patriarch
Metapolititcs Veratas
Hope this helps.
@@tolerantindividual1126 Thanks lad! I already knew about Ubersoy, his vids are also very nice.
Makes me sick to my stomach, the reasonable side of me hopes any pro choice people are more ignorant than they are bad, if only they could realize the horrors of the "procedure"
I used to be pro choice... And I can honestly say that it's because I was ignorant. Then I went to school for ultrasound and witnessed my first D&C in real life. Watched the "products of conception" (the baby) be ripped apart on the ultrasound screen in real-time. That's when I realized, all of those "pro-choice" arguments I'd had, I was completely wrong.
@@maddzzz123 I was going to write that there are some acts that are horrific on their face and not recoiling after doing or watching it happen leaves one bankrupt.
I also used to be pro-choice because I thought it was this clean and easy way of just removing parental responsibilities. However, I realized to my own horror what exactly I was promoting when I saw photos of aborted fetuses. I still feel disgust towards myself for having ever supported what is essentially a legal and tax payer funded infanticide.
I was pro choice because I was ignorant.
1 look at the mental health of mothers post abortion tells you everything you need to know.
my mom actually knew a woman who had an abortion over a decade ago and she still feels extremely guilty to this day. But the media always portrays women as happy after getting an abortion. It's truly sickening
I watched through the cartoon section of the dilation + evacuation portion of this video and was shocked and horrified by the demonstration. A little human being pulled apart is unimaginable.
Fr, had to look away, just the thought of hundreds of babys having that happen to them every year was just... gross.
I just couldn't get myself to watch it. It was just too disturbing. Nobody deserves to die like that, let alone a baby.
This channel gives me hope. Much love brother, may god bless you and your family, stay safe out there.
It makes me laugh because the genocidal maniac who creates this show justified the crusades by smearing the victims of christianity. This is something christians *always* do like that time the protestant religion held a Holocaust and murdered 12 million Jews, gays, disabled people, and all the others that christians hate.
That doctors description made me feel like throwing up and that hasn’t happened since my appendix burst. Great video you have my support
One thing i think goes underappreciated is that when screening for birth or genetic defects, false positives are common. I believe for down syndrome, which i was diagnosed with in the womb, 50% of positive results are just wrong (which was my case). if someone tries to tell you they want to have abortions legal in such cases, your position should of course be that killing people because of birth defects is horrifically evil, but never fail to remind them how many healthy babies they'd be killing as well.
Great topic to discuss bro
Abortion is evil
@kamerad It's all appeals to convenience
I know right imagine killing an unborn innocent child 😣
@@getalifesmh2605 how can you kill a kid of they haven't even started their life yet?😂 I understand why abortion would be terrible, but you have to hear the full story some women are raped and become pregnant, they don't want to raise a baby like this, also even if they became pregnant with a partner and chose to kill the baby late in pregnancy, it's actually good. I'm not saying that it should be their choice but there are to many humans on this planet, if people are willing to give up their unborn baby then whatever. It's good for the environment.
@@yousquiddingme No it isn't lol
@@anthrosapien3784 That's a genocidal point of view , even worse it's not a narrowminded genicide, it's an genocide on all kinds of humans .
Just discovered your channel and I'm binging your videos at the moment. Keep on speaking the truth brother!
Viva Cristo Rey!
I might just be doing this five months after you.
Viva Cristo Rey!
seeing the sheer number of unborn babies murdered every year made my heart drop a bit ngl
Hearing the numbers always does
But look you see 650k is just in the us
Well it's a fucked up situation because it's more of a symptom of the disease than a cause. Personally I'd never want these kind of people reproducing in the first place because if they don't just suffocate the baby with a pillow then they'll probably torture them until they become the next generation of bioleninist stormtroopers
Good. Less births the better.
@@marajesty311 overpopulation is a myth
Simply disturbing. Being against abortion its not even a question of faith, but about believing in basic human dignity.
If someone is against the majority of abortions, they are anti Women's rights, Simple
@@RandomGuy-pi5zlok! I’m sexist now!
Its just a statement of fact that one doesn't care about women if they are knowingly against most abortions@@CatholicMaan
I don’t know how a funny video about an anime girl singing about gay people sent me to this channel, but I’m grateful for it to say the least.
Keep up the awesome work dude!
What are you referring to? Because if it's "Ieavan Polkka" then it's not the case.
Literally ripping a baby apart limb by limb? Yeah totally safe procedure bro!
I was pro life before i knew that... Jesus...
@@Klongu_Da_Bongu please don’t use His name like that bro....
Random spoilers for Bleach (It is a huge plot point)
Maybe that how the Soul King is mutilated, and it is not very pretty and done on fearful motives. I guess I can understand how the Soul King feels and why he is quite resentful.
@@sandomingue He is simply calling for him, that is ok bro, this is insanity.
I HATE THE ANTICHRIST
I HATE THE ANTICHRIST
I spent 14 years in the pro-life ministry I started a young age. I cannot believe that people justify abortion. thank you for making this video.
I looked up the aborted fetus. You have to be absolutely heartless or just completely uninformed to be pro choice.
@P P look it up
@P P it’s a baby.
@P P the baby would die outside your body if you don’t take care of it. If it wasn’t alive it wouldn’t be growing.
Cope and seethe. Abortion is good.
@@NoahRamseysGhost your either uninformed or just a bad person.
Heard the news earlier today - Roe is down. God bless America.
You should do a response video to Bill Nye the Science Guy. The guy admitted to himself he's not a real scientist, and even got so much science facts wrong, especially in that cringe tv series called ''Bill Nye Saves the World''.
This video made me pro life. Thank you so much.
Think about it this way. Its obviously fine for the mother to abort her child before its developed any meaningful consciousness. If the majority of abortions are before this point, would you still call yourself pro life while being in favour of most abortions?
@@RandomGuy-pi5zl most abortions are done because people have become irresponsible and use segs for the sake of "having fun"
There are certain cases when abortion is necessary but they happen rarely (like when you are sure that baby is dead inside or has some genetic disorder, or is the result of rabe or incest)
@@lilestojkovicii6618 This isn't a response to what I said here but I'll respond to it anyway. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having sex for fun. I would agree its irresponsible to have unprotected sex for fun, but only because its very inconvenient to have an abortion.
@@RandomGuy-pi5zlyou said something along the lines of it's "obviously fine for a mother to abort her child before it's developed any meaningful consciousness."
I disagree that this is so obvious.
From a scientific, biological POV, life is not dependent on consciousness. For example, people who are comatose are not conscious, but in many cases they eventually will be again. Does that mean it's ok to kill comatose people? And, more pressingly, what about people with extreme disabilities, surely we can't kill them at will even if we deem they don't have "meaningful consciousness?"
This brings me to my overall point: what is your definition of meaningful consciousness? In order to draw a line in the sand between meaningful and meaningless consciousness would require pairing science with a spiritual or religious moral framework that dictates what is meaningful. But aren't pro-lifers often attacked for bringing religion into politics just for saying that every human life matters regardless of age, size, ability, or consciousness?
It seems like your argument boils down to one of these two lines of thinking:
1) it's okay to abort fetuses as long as they are not sufficiently developed to be aware of it, because they don't realize they are being killed. When stated like this, this worldview seems to suggest that we can victimize people however we want as long as they don't realize it, a notion which is almost universally agreed upon as false.
2) it's okay to abort fetuses that don't possess meaningful consciousness because, contrary to the scientific fact that *biological* life begins at the moment of conception, *human* life (or personhood) doesn't begin until meaningful consciousness exists. Whatever meaningful consciousness means.
Sorry if this comes across as superior or annoying that's truly not my intent. I genuinely hope that you will seriously consider the points I've raised here. Thank you for choosing to engage in this important discussion in good faith. Have a good day and God bless.
@@troymazzei5976 Hey Troy, I'm happy to talk about this subject with you. I'll try to cover each point you made
Its pretty clear once a being gains significant moral value, it maintains it, even through things like comas, so long as there is a likelihood it will become conscious again. For example, If there were a rock that would become sentient tomorrow, there would be no harm in destroying that rock before it reaches that point. From the other end we can also imagine a person in a permanent coma or being dead. We don't care about harm being bought to something that will never regain sentience.(Obviously we don't like seeing dead bodies being messed with but that's not the point I'm making)
Thus, It would be ridiculous to suggest the second a new life begins in the womb, that being not only has value, but has so much value that we can condemn a woman to 9 months of developing that child without her consent. In the scenario I'm describing, one would literally be forcing a woman to remain pregnant against her will for a life any rational person would consider on the same level as a rock. No thoughts, No feelings, No nothing.
If I were to give you a hypothetical in return, would you rather save a Woman from a burning building, or a container of 1000 embryos? 1,000,000,000 embryos?
Once these points are accepted we are now asking ourselves a new question, not is there a line, but where?
First of all, there are plenty of moral frameworks that aren't spiritual or religious. I don't need to believe in the supernatural to think kicking puppies is wrong
The way I look at drawing a line is through incrementally pushing it back to a reasonable position. Lets start by continuing where I left off. The point at which a human develops sentience on the most basic of levels is around 7 weeks (www.jneurosci.org/content/20/5/1858). At this point is when we see a monolayer cortex where comparisons could be made to a very primitive fish. This is before we see any sign of somatosensory information which I think many would consider vital. To quote the Journal of Maternal-Fetal Medicine:
"It is concluded that the basic neuronal substrate required to transmit somatosensory information develops by mid-gestation (18 to 25 weeks), however, the functional capacity of the neural circuitry is limited by the immaturity of the system. Thus, 18 to 25 weeks is considered the earliest stage at which the lower boundary of sentience could be placed. At this stage of development, however, there is little evidence for the central processing of somatosensory information. Before 30 weeks gestational age, EEG activity is extremely limited and somatosensory evoked potentials are immature, lacking components which correlate with information processing within the cerebral cortex. Thus, 30 weeks is considered a more plausible stage of fetal development at which the lower boundary for sentience could be placed."
With that in mind, we can get a decent idea of where the lower bound of our line should be. Now lets go back from birth to set our upper bound. Once the child becomes viable outside the womb, and the child will likely be safe, I think most people would agree it would be wrong to kill that child. Furthermore, if we know the child will likely be safe if the mother only has to hold on a couple more weeks, I think most people would be in favour of that. Thus we can set our upper bound around 23-26 weeks
Meaningful Consciousness means the reasonable point at which a baby has developed things like low level sentience, somatosensory information, etc...
There are many more arguments we can use to narrow or move this boundary, but I think I've illustrated enough that not only can a line be drawn, but no line would be a serious disregard for the lives of women everywhere.
Thanks for the comment
I'm not christian but I'm pro-life
The only moments I'm pro-choice is if the pregnant woman has been raped or risk her life and she don't want to die. But now people treat abortion like some kind of sport without thinking about consequences like depression post-abortion. Also I don't understand why they want to normalize abortion at the ninth month, I mean, you had the fetus for 8 months and NOW you want to get rid of it like nothing?
@Gabe Norman there's no need of god to undersand morals
Good for you man, don’t listen to those people telling you that you need to be religious to be Pro-life. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out human life has value after all!
@@AragornRespecter ermm it precisely does. Without God your morals fade into dust. How does human life have any arbitrary value in a universe which came from nothing and evolved life without intelligence. Everything is subjective without a God. You are drawing from christian morals without even knowing it.
@@giulizpaviz6381 read above comment.
@@uwirbfj the value of human life coming about naturally is that we are still special(coming from a Christian temporarily looking in the shoes of the other side)
Despite all the things that could of gone wrong, things that could of resulted in earth being destroyed, they came to exist and shall return to non existence. Human life is limited and that gives it value. Perhaps even more than in a situation with the immortal soul, for life being limited gives each situation more significance and value behind it. Like supply and demand for time, an immortal soul has infinite supply so their time is more cheap, while one that ceases to be on death has limited supply of time which exponentially increases its value
Morality meanwhile stems from empathy. Empathy is an innate feature of intelligent life, and stemming from us being social creatures who care for each other.
Pax tube is best tube
This might become one of my favorite channels
I agree with your statement and with your username.
@@linuxgameplayxp6246
Basado
It is mine
Based ~
I mean your based too if you say something is based
He's based but your profile plus your name plus the ~ symbol makes you very unbased.
I do not understand how feminists can assert that women have no power, when there exists a legal sanction to kill a completely dependent human being that relies upon a woman for its survival. At least in the case a woman against a rapist, she can defend herself, will inevitably survive the encounter, & can seek justice against her attacker. A child in the womb has none of these sureties.
Who’s here after roe vs wade got overturned?
Hoes mad
Hoes were mad lol.
"Abortion is every woman's right."
- This was the opinion of a liberal in my friend group who everybody agrees with. He often finds himself undefeated in debates because of other people joining on his side.
"I believe it's every woman's right to get rid of the child; not to end them, unless they were the product of rape or a number of other crimes."
- This was my opinion. I have never won a political debate in my life.
- I've designed a new system to win in this conflict. Whether or not you agree, I managed to end him with this.
The system is simple; Have the government invest into the foster care system, as well as assist in it's development by getting police and child protective services on the scene. Then, use taxpayer money to perpetuate free healthcare, including free c-sections. The woman can choose to donate the child to an improved foster care system if she doesn't want to or cannot raise it.
- He broke down the second I told of the system.
- At first he retreated to the idea of 92% of abortions being of necessity (crepe, incest, etc.).
- I mentioned that out of the 640,000 abortions across the US every year, 51,000 of those are for personal/unspecified reasons (Pain, convenience, etc.) all of which are resolved by my system. This means that while the 92% are emergencies and the rest simply won't happen.
- Like the npc he is, he retreated a second time to the idea that if the family is too poor they have to end it.
- I countered by claiming that the foster care system would be responsible for paying for the child, not the mother; it's government money.
- He retreated again, saying that "the woman would just end the baby anyway" which made absolutely no sense.
- I stated that the woman has no right to end a baby that is now being sent to foster care.
- He said that foster care is hell on earth, and I mentioned that the overhaul would make it so it wasn't.
- After that, he decided that it was "The woman's right to choose whether or not that baby can be alive on earth." in those words exactly. I'm typing this out right after the debate so my memory is on point.
- I told him that it isn't a woman's right to decide whether or not that child gets to experience the sensations of life; It would be the unborn baby's choice, legally speaking and that from a moral perspective it was wrong to say otherwise.
- He extended the discussion to gun rights because "those end people too - we end people every day". I didn't counter that, but I can now; the difference between someone getting shot and an unborn baby being aborted is that the mother isn't considered a criminal, and shooters don't have any connection, be it by family, spirit, or emotion to their victims. The victim is actually in a better place than the child because at least they got to feel and appreciate the world before they were killed. The baby didn't even have time to see what it was losing. You're denying it everything - literally everything for your own convenience in these cases. Cases which this guy fought for.
It's worthy of note that my mother tried to abort me in 2004. Luckily, we were in Texas and the court gave my father all of the power he needed to put her back in her place.
If a woman wants an abortion, she can get one. If it’s in her body, then it is her choice.
@@marajesty311 Seems like your mother chose wrong.
Yeah no. Firstly, abortion bans don’t work and to ban them would be illogical. This is backed by studies and data. Second of all, a woman’s bodily autonomy allows her access to everything in her body, including the embryo or foetus. Abortion is her right and banning it wouldn’t even reduce rates.
@@marajesty311 I suggest you take all of this up with Pax Tube, rather than debating me, but if you like, I'll go for a round in the ring.
- For starters, present your links and watch the video that you happen to be commenting on. That should give me a proper reading of the 'studies and data' you wish to present while also giving you an idea of what I'm referring to.
- Second, site the exact article and section of the US constitution which details a woman's right to a proper abortion (I.E Amendment 1, Section 2). I have a paperback copy in my hands right now, so I'll be sure to check it out.
- If you can't do either of those, I'd suggest you stop before you make yourself look like some kinda fool.
@@marajesty311 ouu they got you
I'm gonna be honest, being Pro-life in a Pro-abortion world is borderline depressing sometimes to the point where I wonder if I want to live in such a world. But I always tell myself that things can get better and things can change. There was a time when slavery and segregation was normal and accepted and thats no longer the case. Perhaps in the future, abortion will be seen as one of the many vile and barbaric practices of the past. I hope I can see that day.
Anti-choice people are on the wrong side of history.
If pro-lifers rule the world, slavery will be back again. It will just be reproductive slavery for women.
@@denniswakabayashi9000 Anti-murder people have always been on the wrong end of history. Every. Single. Time.
Your point?
@@EC-jd9ej Oh, please. Men are already slaves to the federal government. Women complaining about not being able to murder children while being able to do whatever you want in politics without any contribution besides taxes, is comedic. You aren't slaves - you are entitled.
@@IJN_Guy
Abortion is not murder
Thus abortions are lawful in the US and the vast majority of countries.
my mom told me she aborted a baby when she was with her past boyfriend, she said that she was forced to, she was was abused daily by that man and even kicked in the stomach, to this day my mom thinks that the baby would of been something today, me and my mom do not support unnecessary abortion.
In the UK, there is soon to be a law that remains of a miscarriage should be treated with respect. That's all right and proper, but the article that I read on this matter described the remains as "a baby". If a three month miscarriage is a baby, why is the remains of an abortion described as "a fetus"?
Abortion makes me cry. It’s one of the greatest tragedies of our modern society.
Rather than being "pro-life," I consider myself anti-baby-murder.
Rather than being "pro-choice," I consider myself a baby-murder supporter.
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I used to watch ASAPScience a lot when I was younger, and it's sad to see what their advocating.
great job. based and paxpilled
21 weeks is the world record for a child being born...
That cutting up the baby was sad
This channel is probably the best thing to come out of 2020, good work Pax.
7:15 well, i'm from one of those "poor countries" and we don't want abortion either
they souldn't be aborting to begin with.
After seeing photos of aborted fetuses, it really does make me wonder what society has become.
I aint got the guts to look that shit up. Good on you though.
MURDER IS MURDER NO MATTER WHAT it is CALLED
That’s right. Sperm cells are alive, so every time you have an ejaculation you murder millions of lives. So please never have sex to preserve them.
@@enigmaticvaran6597 what's a problem with never having sex without intention of making kids?
@@lilestojkovicii6618 Nothing. The problem comes when people have sex WITH the intention of having kids. Sure, roughly 200 of the sperm get lucky, but the rest of the 300 million little lives get destroyed. It's mass murder. Celibacy is the only ethical way to live your life.
@@enigmaticvaran6597 well then you are a hero
Cry about it
I’ve seen comments on the video mentioned here 5:02 downplaying the horrors being demonstrated. Many of that video’s comments said things like, “The fetus doesn’t look like that at that age” or “This is just fear-mongering”
Fantastic job as always Pax, keep the content coming
I was for abortion when I was young cause noone told me how its actually done. I thought it mostly just involves taking "the pill after". Then my brother told me what it actually is and how its done. I was disgusted I couldnt and still cant understand how a doctor, who has taken an oath to preserve life, can preform such a cruel act. Its the lowest form of murder in my opinion.
Excellent rebuttal. I run into these arguments so often it's crazy.
Man, am I glad someone rebutted that piece of obvious pro-abortion propaganda. Great video.
Nothing more funny in this than the fact that there are homosexuals trying to teach science, as if they know any.
Its horrifying that they are one of the biggest channels in that regard, cheers to you bro iam supporting you
I mean gay can learn science there nothing stopping them from doing it I'm totally ok with gay people there just normal people it's not like gay people physicly can't understand stuff
their sexuality matters how?
How does their sexuality matter? They do know science, they've been to university to study biology
This channel is gold. The fact that this video was hard to watch, makes me think that someone watching this will change their minds. Keep it up pax
You know the video has good content when there’s a disclaimer attached to it.
I’m late to the party, but, fun fact: 95% of biologists agree that life begins at conception.
95% of biologists WORLDWIDE, to be more accurate.
@@IWasOnceAFetus Even better :)
@@cygnus_XI exactly. And the story behind that study is pretty telling about the pro-abortion bias. 😏
@@IWasOnceAFetus Correct me if I’m wrong but my recollection of the story is that a decent sized group of a few thousand adults were surveyed on who would be the most qualified to say when life begins, and the majority said biologists.
Then an even larger group of biologists were asked if the human zygote is the first stage of human life (or something to that effect, it’s been a while since I read through the paper) including a lot of pro-choice biologists.
Once everyone including the pro-choice biologists realized they basically admitted that human life begins at conception, they started slandering the study saying it’s evangelical extremist propaganda, that human life is philosophical and not scientific (lol), that the results were taken out of context, that the biologists are wrong and don’t know what they’re talking about, that the study is biased/poorly made, et cetera…
The way I interpret it is that people are selectively fans of the truth only when it’s something they agree with. And then once it turns out it’s something they don’t like, they shift the goalposts so to speak.
@@cygnus_XI yep. You're right. But there's more to the story. Steve Jacobs who was the one who did the study was actively suppressed from getting the study done. Took him almost 5 years I think to get it done because of all the interference. Check out, "HAMMER: A World-Renowned University Suppressed Important Abortion Research.
By Josh Hammer"
You can check that out. I just checked. The story is still up at Daily Wire's website.
9:44 No way!!!!!!!! You're telling me that a law that allow you to have an abortion increase the number of abortion what a surprise i'm truly shocked!!!!!!
Well, if you put the snark back in your fanny pack, you would realize that's the argument that Pro abortionists make: "Women will have the abortions anyway, banning the act won't change anything. The only difference will be more dead mothers from back alley abortions." My man Pax was simply pointing out how false that narrative is by using statistics aka (poison for the irrational mind). Tik tok makes it hard to pay attention to 12 minute videos though sometimes. I believe in you brother, you'll come around eventually.
I'm not Pro-life, I'm anti-abortion.
I'm not Pro-abortion, I'm anti-the government forcing women to remain pregnant
Good video. It's a shame few pro-abortion people will ever see it.
I see it, but it doesn't address what actually keeps me pro choice, which is the fact that the baby isn't a person yet! Like yeah, it's a biological human, but it doesn't have any personal value yet. I don't feel bad killing a mindless insect, because it doesn't have any hopes, dreams, stories, morals, thoughts, etc. An unborn baby has no personality, no hopes and dreams, nothing. It's just an empty shell of a human. And you might argue "same goes for a newborn!" But when a baby has been carried to birth, that clearly shows that people care about and love it, and it now has a purpose. If a baby is soon to be aborted, nobody cares about it, and it doesn't care about itself, and we are losing absolutely nothing by getting rid of it.
@@rainesaysdie863it’s a person according to philosophy
@@CatholicMaan it's a baby according to a hancful of pretentious people
@@rainesaysdie863 I see, we need external validation from society to be deserving of opportunities that may help us achieve decent lives.
@@veniceangelidelacruz2988 Of course not, internal validation is good enough, but a fetus has nothing close to that.
Punish not the child for the sins of the father.
That’s in incredibly ironic quote, considering the Bible is chock full of examples of god punishing people for the sins of their Fathers. Most notably when he drowned every baby on the planet because he was unhappy with their Fathers.
@@enigmaticvaran6597 You clearly are an ignorant fool, who has not studied the Bible, If Heaven exists where do you think sinless babies go?
@@enigmaticvaran6597That wasn't a punishment, because in the Christian framework, people don't really "die," they just change locations. So the babies go straight to Heaven for infinite eternity, that's not a punishment.
Plus, the flood was more about doing a reset than punishing people. God saw the corruption on Earth and knew it was a disaster, so He decided to start over with the few good people that did exist.
@@enigmaticvaran6597except that isn’t what the flood was. It wasn’t a punishment, but instead a refresh of the world because no one was faithful to God and everyone would live in sin for hundreds of years.
I used to be pro choice. Then I looked up how abortions are performed
Now I'm pro life
It's as simple as that ladies and gents
_Why_ were you supposedly "pro-choice" and _what_ changed your mind?
@@TheLegendOfRandy well, to put it simply I just didn't know that much about pregnancy, or more importantly how they were performed. By chance I looked up a former abortion doctor. When I learned in depth what happens to these innocent beings I almost threw up. I've been pro life ever since
@@Rubydrawz
I was pro choice, then pro life and now I'm pro choice again. Have you seen
Philosophy Tube -
Ben shapiro and abortion
Since 2 months ago?
@@Stuff857 no- but I'm like you. I was pro choice then pro life, then pro choice and now I'm pro life. I've taken time to understand both sides of the argument and I'm standing firm in my opinion
@@Rubydrawz
Tell me if or when you see it
In Romania there have been more abortions (22.5 million) since the 50s than people currently living in the country (19 million) because the communist regime in the 50s and early to mid 60s encouraged abortion as "contraception" in some years in the 60s we had as many as 1 million abortions.
Then the leadership of the communist party was changed and all abortion *and actual contraception* were banned leading to hundreds of thousands of illegal abortions because actual contraception didn't exist.
After the communist party officially fell in 1989 abortion and contraception were fully liberalized but for many years in the 90s we had an insane number of abortions.
Now in the present day we still have more abortions on average than other eu countries and we also don't have any type of sex ed and talking about actual contraceptive methods is taboo. So in the end we have many abortions and many teenage mothers (especially in poor rural areas) at the same time, which is a complete disaster.
Communism is fucking evil...
That's communism for you!
Romania compelled women to undergo at least one abortion so as to check that they were not Christian. Abortion was a sacrament.
Great video! I just wish you would have pointed out the fact that they skipped the entire abortion process that occurs after 24 weeks. They deflected by saying that it is "rare", but did not go on to discuss, or even mention the name of the procedure that is used during this time. That, I believe, is the worst part...
As if poisoning babies is any better. We really should focus on them poisoning babies.
May the Lord bless you, and until we meet again may God keep you in the palm of His Hand.
You mean the same lord who implicitly drowned every baby on the planet? Are you sure you’re pro-life?
Amen
@@enigmaticvaran6597 Yes that God, and what?
If my God truly exists he created Heaven and Hell, where do you think babies would go giving that they did not sin?
But you being an atheist probably don't believe in right and wrong.
I'm also one of the people that evades abortion thanks to my mom
It's not abortion, it's child sacrifice.
The funniest way to confuse an abortion apologist is to aks wheather a fetus is a property or a person. Once you put abortion into a consistant moral framework, you can ask "Is forced abortion a murder or a property damage?" and there the argument ends, because no mother that pays taxes will accept their "fetus" to be considered a property with no rights of it's own, to be removed from her by the state if an institution wishes so
A fetus is not a person. A fetus is your property as it is in your body. Your bodily autonomy allows this.
The state is not forcing women to get abortions. The only forcing states are doing is FORCING women to remain pregnant against their will mostly to save the lives of clumps of cells with no significant conscious experience.
7:07 Notice how he switches to using numbers rather than percentages now.
and?
Great video, Pax! Just the point on the end: what extreme case would justify the murder of a baby? Do you mean to say, rather, that removal of the baby in order to save the life of the mother as in the case of an ectopic pregnancy would be justified? Because I would agree with that too. That just isn't an abortion, though. It's the principle of double effect.
You had to add in the "from Canada" part. I'm ashamed.
Actually it’s 100,001 death per 100,000 procedures.
Good video against "progess" Propaganda
The world has gone mad.
No, it was made mad, deliberately.
No kidding, people who enthusiastically worship a god who drowned every baby on the planet now believe themselves to be “pro-life.” Absolutely mad.
@@enigmaticvaran6597 fr
How is one able to tear the baby apart ,when its still moving , you have to be absoulutely mad.
I'm angry, I'm sad, I'm raged, I'm disappointed , I wanna change this, I will change this
1:11 you can tell someone is gay by their voice. It tends to be a little higher and they say things more childishly and the way in which they say something is way more feminine. "Oh my gosh yes you have no idea. Like its like he just wont leave me alone" Think of that but a little higher pitched then your voice
Not necessarily
More and more men have weaker voices today as a result of lack of testosterone caused by microplastics so the initial difference isn't that precise
So many videos on my sidebar are pro-abortion propaganda now
We are taught in Islam that the child gets a soul after 120 days
Abortion after that is considered a sin and killing, it is only ok if it presents a danger on the mother's life
Its the decision of two evils and thats a tough decision
Islam also teaches that Allah incurred a flood that drowned every baby on the planet whether it had been born or not, but religious people don’t like to think about that.
@@enigmaticvaran6597 wow you are so smart you just cherry picked one of the thousands bible verses and act like its something absolute (not to mention that its from the Old testament)
I'm from vietnam and i want to state my opinion on the subject:
1/ Abortion in vietnam is legal yes and Supported by the state because the country prioritize family planning and reduce poverty.(*)
(*) Raising children is expensive and cause alot of strain on many family and put alot of pressure on the heath and school system so the government want to help people stop having to much children that they can't take care of, promote family planning of family of 4 ( father, mother and 2 child) so as Incentivize to invest in their 2 children future more for higher Education, Instead of having many children they can't take care of and have to make them work to help the family in the field, this is still happening in the countryside to this day.
2/ Poor Education because of poor sex education many girl have children while still at school age this make of a large amount of abortion which is reduce in more urban area with higher standard of living.
3/ Due to oppion of only a male can be success and continue the family Steep in confusion and traditionalism many family want to have male Instead of female which resulted in alot of abortion we the baby was a girl.
That is only a small oppion of mine that I like to share about our country i Personally pro choice because i Believe people Should Receive the best education and make the best informed choice they wanted, i Believe that it better to have a safe choice Rather than None at all.( i hope you can help me with the information i see from Is both side and hope you can over look my poor english and presentation skill, at school in sex-ed class we were show a much more detail explanation of the process and picture of the Fetus it pretty Traumatizing but i belive that people can understand their Consequences and made the best choice they have at the time because we were all once young and dumb but have to grow and under stand the pain of abortion is greater than birth and leave scar)
Regardless of situations and anything, doing abortion consciously is murder period full stop. Life begins at conception; we need these wonderful gifts (aka the children both born and unborn) for they are the future generation. If this abomination of a method is legalized, well, we have gone down to the depths of the abyss... the elimination and decimation of future children :((
Valuing clumps of unconscious cells over basic Women's rights is beyond stupid. Calling them "future children" is hiding the truth of what they really are, rocks (In most cases)
The increase of birth control did NOT influence the drop. If it did, unintended pregnancies would have decreased correlatively with it. But the unintended pregnancy rates have been relatively consistent. contraception access increased meanwhile.
5:17 Oh my gosh. That is actually horrible. Why would someone be ok with RIPPING A BABY INTO MULTIPLE CHUNKS!!.!??!?!?! Imagine if it was out what would you thi g then?
The problem is that when there’s this much divide on something like this there will never be compromise. Our political adversaries are pro-murder, pro-sexual deviancy, anti-family, anti-american identity. These people are too fundamentally different thus evil (we align with god). It’s literally god vs evil. Not to mention they’re generally unattractive and usually have some sort of mental illness. They feel right when they define our moral judgement as “thinking with feelings”. What is a society void of feeling? A society void of identity? A society void of tradition? I’m not interested in being indistinguishable from the rest of the world. The values shared by these people are international. Why reject originality? Why reject creativity? When the best they can say to us forming “arbitrary” moral values on things like abortion and sexual degeneracy is that its illogical, then I’m not interested in peacefully coexisting. I don’t want a country that tolerates things like this in the name of feminism (rooted in sexual freedom). Its clear even within rw and lw twitter. All the left wing memes are stolen from the right and all of theirs are objectively unfunny. It consists of sexualized minors groomed into being transgender. It consists of people unwilling to recognize a distinguishable american identity. I see no common ground. The establishment is on the side of these sick people. Even the gop stands by. Perhaps fascism is the answer. If the constitution is used as a means of defending their views then it has failed us. Democracy has failed us. Our founding fathers would quite clearly be standing with us. The country is unrecognizable. Those who risked their lives defending our country side with us. It isnt theirs to manipulate. Our allegiance is to god and the american people, tradition, and identity. We cant let our country fall into the hands of globalism. Off whats going on right now there is no political solution. The level of fear and anger on the right compliments a national fascist revolution. America is for anybody willing to accept our tradition, flag, history, and values. These people say having blacks being college educated and getting jobs is indicative of whiteness being forced upon them. If the definition to these people of whiteness is the american way the the majority of america is white supremacist. The media gaslights and misconstrues our values as “nazi” “white supremacist” “racist” etc. its easy to radicalize a mob of plebeians when they’re convinced this is what we stand by. The natural reaction to this is to go as far left as possible. Be as radicalized as possible. Make sure the people youve been told ur whole life are evil get no political validation. The right has been far too soft and open minded with these people. They’re relentless. Way too many concessions have been made in the name of unity. Something extreme is coming and it isnt from the left.
Okay I am pro-life and appreciate that you at least show the snippets of sources where you get your claims and arguments from, but some you don't. It certainly can't be that hard to give them to us in the description or name drop them in the video.
Returning to this video due to the based Texas decision.
7:07 notice how he mentioned numbers and not a percentage.
That Dr Levatino video single-handedly started me down the path that changed me from apathetic to the abortion debate to vehemently opposed to abortion.
This channel is wonderful, you are spreading the right messages, may God bless you
What does "based" mean in this context? I see the word used a lot, but I don't know how it is being used.
@@robertsparling Based can mean "true" or "cool" typically it's used in a context where the general society rejects truth
You mean the same god who drowned every baby on the planet? Are you sure you’re pro-life?
I’ve just gotten up to 4:15
I swear to god if ASAP science doesn’t have the intellectual honesty and integrity to detail step by step how the baby is removed
I’m gonna go mad
I think they’re not intellectually honest enough
And I just watched it
And they didn’t even state how the baby is removed limb from limb those bloody liars
1st trimester is a very liberal choice. Judging on current knowledge and my personal choice of limit (ability to feel pain) anything longer than 6-7 weeks is immoral and should not be allowed. (Source: The cutaneous withdrawal reflex in human neonates: sensitization, receptive fields, and the effects of contralateral stimulation. Andrews K, Fitzgerald M Pain. 1994 Jan; 56(1):95-101.). For the note to people trying to fit me in some religion cupboard - I do not subscribe to any of them.
You can still anesthetize the fetus, so it doesn't get pain reflex.
Asap Science more like Asoy Scientism
Swift and righteous justice is all that is left that has yet to be tried
4:02 dude, just a suggestion: you may not be able to show the pictures on UA-cam but I think you can put links to sites that show these pictures and videos in the description.
56 million abortions annually worldwide, I do not even have words. 56 million babies. That is probably one of the most heartbreaking things I have ever heard in my life
Based.
Something about Mai holding a Douay Rheims Bible makes me laugh so much, I can't wait to add that translation to my collection
Lets bring the old Anti-abortion and marriage laws of the 1910's to 30's, our great-great and great grandparents were correct
They were rigth on many things
@@Gabriel-bu7fc no they weren't