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- Simone & George are reacting to Top Gun: Maverick for the first time! Canadians React!
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Unpopular opinion: Hangman was arguably the most important character. While clearly lacking in teamwork he helped push the issues between Mav and Rooster to the surface and force them to be confronted. He also brought to light Roosters fatal flaw over and over which he had to overcome in the end. He was able to galvanize the team by giving them a common enemy. He recognized the difference between training and the mission and gave Rooster a vote of confidence when it really mattered which no doubt contributed at least to some degree to his ability to overcome his flaw. Whether he meant to or not he had his fingerprint on a lot of important aspects....plus he saved the day at the end.
Agreed
He's still a complete _ssh_le as a person.
I wouldn't say he's the most important character myself, but you do bring up good points.
He's an asshole...but he's _our_ asshole.
True story. Hangman was my favourite character. He was all about the mission.
Penny was mentioned in a quick one-liner about Pete having "a history of high speed passes over five air control towers, and one admiral's daughter". Hence why Pete says in this one that he pissed off "another" admiral
"Penny" Benjamin is mentioned three times in the first Top Gun film. Once (unnamed) by Maverick's commander on the air craft carrier and then by name by Goose and later by name by Goose's wife.
David Bowie starred with Jennifer Connelly in the 1986 movie Labyrinth.
How did you see this reaction 9 days ago? On the description is says uploaded 5 hours ago....?
@@Elemental_Entity They're most likely Patreon members of this channel.
meg ryan her caracter tells charlie the story of penny in the bar where they singing on the piano also
George - "Sploosh"
Simone - "I hate you"
Best single word of the entire reaction. LMAO
We need the "Sploosh" t-shirt from Cinebinge merch store.
George is an Archer fan, confirmed.
@@jculver1674 We need an Archer reaction series.
"Sploosh" ... have they done _Holes_ yet?
15:16 for the sploosh where he's not wrong
Mach 1 is equal to the speed of sound. Mach 2 is two times the speed of sound, and so on.
Yep, and the speed of sound varies with air pressure so Mach 10 at, say, above 60k feet isn't as fast as Mach 10 at sea level.
Top gun Maverick is equal to atleast 9.5/10
Speed by itself doesn’t actually impart any forces on the body. It’s the acceleration and deceleration that imparts the force. So speeding up, slowing down and turning imparts forces or “G’s”
The problem with G’s is they tend to force blood into or out of your head. Out of your head can cause a black out. Into can cause a red out. Military pilots in combat will wear G suits that put pressure on their lower body to keep the blood going to their heads and allow them to take high G’s for a little bit longer
Also recall astronauts reenter going 17,500mph 28,000kph and are just fine.
@@paratus04 thanks Dr obvious. We were talking about what mach is, and not what gravitational force multiplier is.
Mach 10 = Approx. 7,673 MPH!!
If no one has mentioned it yet. The actor who plays Bob is Lewis Pullman. The real life son of Bill Pullman who played a fighter pilot and the president who fought the aliens in Independence Day.
Both rode on F-18s
@@dallasyap3064 Bill didnt actually go up in one. His was green screen. Lewis did though.
Penny Benjamin was mentioned in the first movie when Maverick & Goose were getting chewed out by their CAG before being sent to Top Gun. GAG: "And one Admiral's daughter!" Goose (to Mav) "Penny Benjamin?" - that's who Jennifer Connelly is in this movie.
Tom Cruise wasn't flying the plane himself. But made all the actors go through Gforce training because they got flown by actual navy pilots. They invented special cameras that fit into the fighter jets, the actors had to press record, do their lines and be their own cinematographer and stay in focus. It was one of the most amazing theater experiences I've had
I just set mouth open through the credits when I saw it in the theater.
The Navy made them go through some safety training because they were actually in F-18s to film the flying sequences. NO actors actually got to fly any military aircraft in this movie, with the exception of the closing scene, where Tom Cruise flies the plane that he actually owns at the end, which is a plane from World War 2, a P-51 Mustang.
The one at the end is his personal P-51 that he flew. All the rest of the cockpit shots you're right they rode backseat.
Tom nearly bought a spitfire when in England but went for a P51-D
I would have let Tom Cruise fly the F-18 (in non-dangerous sequences) provided if he goes through F-18 FRS and shows competency in flying it and agrees to pay the Navy if he ended destroying or damaging it.
Loved the reaction 😀.
- As others have mentioned, Mach numbers are speed (x times the speed of sound, which varies with air pressure/altitude). G force is acceleration.
‐ Penny is mentioned in the first movie: "with a history of high speed passes over five air control towers, and one admirals daughter (Penny Benjamin)
While it is absolutely true that speed of sound varies bassed on pressure/altitude/temperature, in standard physics it is usually agreed around 1200km/h as this is the number in dry conditions at sea level I believe. Thats why George got that number corresponding to mach 10 (I presume by googling).
"Penny" Benjamin is mentioned three times in the first Top Gun film. Once (unnamed) by Maverick's commander on the air craft carrier and then by name by Goose and later by name by Goose's wife.
@@CompanyLaPtop True, but in aviation the mach number shown in the cockpit is the actual mach number at the altitude/temperature where it's flying. I'm assuming this is too know where they are in relation to the sound barrier, as that affects fuel consumption, and stability since aerodynamics are a bit strange in the transsonic region
Fun fact: the actors all worked out for months to get in amazing shape for the shirtless football scene. After it was done filming, they went out for fast food to celebrate and started letting themselves go. Then later, they found out the scene had to be reshot and they had to get in shape for it all over again.
Oof level: high
Gotta love how Bob and Hondo didn't need all that drama.
I read somewhere it was reshot because they weren't satisfied with how their bodies looked in the first take...
They also got so good at playing their roles that more than once enlisted members mistook them for actual officers and saluted. It does become somewhat of a habit a lot of times the first thing you focus on is the rank insignia and if your enlisted or a junior officer snap a salute off right away. Had I been there during filming I might have accidently done it to Tom Cruise myself and can defiantly say I'd probably had with John Hamm :)
Jennifer Connelly's character "Penny" Benjamin is mentioned three times in the first Top Gun film. Once (unnamed) by Maverick's commander on the air craft carrier and then by name by Goose and later by name by Goose's wife.
She wasn't unnamed in the first mention. The CO talks about maverick's history of high-speed passes over 5 air control towers and one admiral's daughter. Goose glances at Mav and whispers "Penny Benjamin?"
Mach 1 is the speed of sound, so Mach 10 is 10x that number. Note that the speed of sound changes with air pressure/altitude and humidity.
Also - fun fact. That WWII fighter in the ending is Tom Cruise's own plane and it was previously flown by the Tuskegee Airmen (aka the "Redtails"). Look them up; fascinating history.
the mustang was the only disappointment for me an AF plane in a navy movie giggles. should have been a Vought F4U Corsair but thats just the die hard navy person in me.
@@frances3064 I thought it was so cool to see the mustang and find out it was his personal plane but dammit you're right, a Corsair would have been perfect
Ever see the “Redtails” movie? Sad film
Also, the speed has nothing to do with G's. G's are caused by acceleration/turning/banking,etc. 1G is Earth's gravity, 2G is double, and so on.
@@crosswalk48 exactly. It kind of troubles me how many recently educated young adults don't understand such basic concepts. You can be going Mach 10 but without acceleration there is literally no more than 1 G at play.
17:58 we sometimes forget how good of an actor Tom Cruise. That scene was done perfectly. And Val Kilmer was superb as well in there. The way he conveyed empathy and emotions through his eyes was excellent but also heart-breaking.
Yeah, that scene was really low key, no big emoting, just quiet, heartfelt conversation between old friends. I was surprised that I actually teared up at that scene, not something I expected to do watching an action or aviation film.
Well Penny was mentioned only by name in Top Gun at the beginning where Maverick and Goose were promoted to the top gun class
And later by Goose's wife in the bar "Goose told me all about the time you went ballistic with Penny Benjamin."
When Maverick did the trial run of the mission, he had set the clock to 2:15. He completed it 0.16 seconds to spare, not 15 seconds.
The 15 seconds came from the original goal being 2:30
@@npaulb Ah, good point.
So happy to see Val Kilmer acting again, that scene had me in tears. He can't really speak, his son dubbed his lines. Loved this movie & loved this reaction!
According to Val Kilmer’s daughter in an interview they used an AI to do her dads voice.
Ai. Not his son.
For any aircraft afficianados, the name of his P-51 Mustang is "Kiss Me Kate". Also, at the time of filming, the Blue Angels were in the process of the changeover from the legacy Hornet to the Super Hornet, used in this movie. The plane with the dark blue markings flown by Maverick is now Blue Angel 1
Fun fact, on his pay from the Navy he could never hope to buy and maintain a P-51 Mustang. Just look how much an engine overhaul costs, let alone the other parts and the initial costs.
Cruise took the name "Kiss Me Kate" off his P-51 a few years ago.
@@yxeaviationphotog Makes sense, since they aren't married anymore. Doesn't look like it has a new name yet as far as I can find, so now its just the P-51 formerly known as Kiss Me Kate
@@jd190d In my headcanon, Maverick's exploits from the first one were adapted into a Hollywood movie starring Charlie Sheen (or Ben Stiller!) and he got royalties from it over the years.
Bob is the most realistic callsign out of the bunch. Military pilots never get to choose their own callsign and it's practically unheard of for anyone to get lucky enough to have a cool callsign like "Maverick" or "Iceman." Usually callsigns are created by making fun of someone's first or last name, or making fun of something they did, or just making fun of some individual characteristic. The common theme among those is making fun of someone.
My brother-in-law was an Air Force fighter pilot (he flew F16s, not sure what other types he flew). His callsign was Limo, because he showed up to the first day of Air Force Academy in one.
My old CO on the USS Bush had the coolest name. His last name was Luther. His callsign was "Lex." Pretty damn cool!
Por ejemplo: Everyone with the surname of Campbell gets named "Soup"
@BogeyTheBear surname Bell gets the callsign "Taco", Surname with anything pertaining to intelligence gets the callsign "Notso". For example, if your name is James Sharpe, you'd be James "Notso" Sharpe
Bob fought in Afganistan, the BO B stands for Bombs over Bagdad, an honour, not a mockery
Hangman coming and saving them was perfect. If he hadn't shown up I would have actually been mad. This movie is one of the first movies that constantly had me standing up and throwing my hands up like "OMFG!"
So damn good. Honestly one of the most emotional movies in a while.
Fun fact, the roof coming off that building wasn't scripted, it actually happened from the jet and they kept it in.
when hangman showed up i thought that was super brave of him.. had that su57 shot down mav.. he would of been next and even in a f18 he would of struggled to win that in that scenario so props to him!
Congrats Simone! You're the only reactor I've seen point out David Bowie's music when we first see Jennifer Connoly on screen. I thought it was placed there on purpose as well, as a nice little nod to Labyrinth.
I too noticed the music. Figured an actual song from Labyrinth would be too on the nose :)
The trench run in the end where the older mentor had to support the son of a dead friend he served with was great. Then that son losing his targeting computer and having to reach out beyond himself.
Then the rogue pilot comes in to make a "just in the nick of time" save from the bad guy better resourced masked pilot.
Loved this New, New Hope.
Fun fact: The older gentlemen in the bar is the real life Viper that was portrayed in the first Top Gun.
Pettigrew was in this too?
No, Pete Pettigrew is not the bartender and not in this movie.
G-Force is derived from acceleration. The force that pushes you back in your seat when you change speed. Mach numbers are simply a measure of speed. Each mach is the speed of sound. So mach 10 is 10 times the speed of sound. But there might not be any acceleration once you've reached it. It's basically just how fast you're going.
theres always an acceleration . As you go faster you face more drag and hence require more acceleration the net acc might be zero but you will constantly have to have some thrust to maintain a speed. Although what you said was not wrong and this explaination was not needed but here it is
Mach 10 = 7612 mph with is really fast. And Jennifer Connelly's character was mentioned in the first movie but never seen on screen.
Actually about 6800mph at that altitude and equivalent to the air-mass flow of about 400-600mph at sea level.
Val Kilmer's voice was AI generated for his scene based on recordings of him.
Augmented by the voice of his son.
no way! I didn't know that
I was lucky enough to watch this in an empty Imax theater the last day the movie was showing in theaters! None of scenes were dizzying or disorienting which I applaud the director and crew for 👏
I went and saw it opening day with some of my old squadron mates :)
That 80’s music was what we were listening to when the original movie came out. Serious nostalgia for us old timers. It’s a different house, but the same neighborhood. Remember that Top Gun is located at the same air base.
Charlie's house in the first "Top Gun" was at Oceanside and is between new condos, moved about a block from where it is in the movie. Penny's house is in San Pedro near Los Angeles. Not the same neighborhood.
The air base in the first "Top Gun" was Miramar Naval Air Station but Fallon and North Island were in this one.
Miramar (from the first movie) is inland and north of San Diego.
North Island (this movie) is the northern barrier island of San Diego Bay itself.
*TRUE STORY:* I agreed to take a day off, and take my daughter and niece (12 & 13) to see the new Jurassic movie and go bowling, but only if they'd see this "old fart" movie with me. Both said it "blew the dinosaur movies out of the water," and went back to see this 4 more times.
This warms my heart. I loathe the Jurassic Park soft reboots.
Your Daughter and Niece have good taste ! It must be in the Genes !
Same here. I overheard this conversation MANY times when I attended screenings. The thing that shocked me the most with TGM is that ALL age groups went to see it multiple times and fell in love with it - even if they've never seen the original movie. I thought seeing it four times was a lot... but I overheard a girl who was maybe 11 say she saw it SEVEN TIMES... and nobody I talked too only settled on seeing the movie just once lol
well it is for kids
The movie itself was amazing. Seeing Val Kilmer really hit the heartstrings. He was the best part of the movie. And that's saying a lot. You guys killed it.
The funniest critique I heard about this movie was from the guy that passed me in the foyer after the movie ended at the cinema.
He said to his friend wiping away tears "Yeah I loved it, it was almost perfect but it could have done with Kenny Loggins Hangin' out with the boys for the beach football part"
I actually laughed out loud 😂
@Latest Obssesion I'm just quoting the guy who said it. Although to be fair I thought it was hanging out with the boys too
If you want to see more of Kilmer, watch his autobiographical documentary called Val. One of my favorite docs of the last few years.
Everyone's been doing a Top Gun 1 & 2 reaction but the first spiritual sequel was actually Days of Thunder (1990), also directed by Tony Scott & starring Tom Cruise. It's basically the same story structure except w/ stock car racing.
Ooo I'll check it out
You guys should check out Kiss Kiss Bang Bang (2005) directed by Shane Black of Lethal Weapon fame. Not only is it a good more recent showcase for Val Kilmer, but RDJ and Michelle Monaghan are pretty great too. It’s just a fun buddy detective story filled with great dialogue and memorable twists.
Darkstar is just a movie prop built in partnership with Lockheed Martin and famous Skunk Works who are working on a real plane called SR-72. It is supposed to be an Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) hypersonic UAV designed to reach up to Mach 7.
Testing helps to develop new materials and eventually design military aircraft that is virtually untouchable by the opposing air defese.
BoB stands for Baby on Board, that's a US Navy inside joke on Weapon Systems Officer (WSO), nicknamed "Wizzo" - the guy in the back, who is not a pilot.
I didn't know that extra layer for the Baby on Board joke - on the surface "Baby on Board" could be shortened to Bob (his name) but now that I know this little extra detail, it's even more hilarious. Love that the movie didn't even refer to this and just left it in for the few people who'd appreciate it :)
Remember that Rooster's performance in the air would be life and death for any of the other pilots and weapons officers. Hangman pushes Rooster, because Rooster will get them all killed if he doesn't step up. Hangman takes a couple things perhaps too far, but he is actually right throughout the movie.
Hangman: Maverick's personality, Iceman's role.
The look on Simone's face when she saw Hangman's Abs! 🤣🤣 George better start doing a lot of situps. 😁
Hangman wasn't the Iceman in this movie. He was the Maverick. Rooster was the Iceman, always wanting to do things right so other people wouldn't get killed.
Hangman was kind of like how maverick was in the first movie. Cocky, brash and individualistic. Just like Maverick didn't graduate top of the class, Hangman didn't get to go on the mission, but both ended up being a hero in the end.
In interviews he said he tried to base his character off of how both "Mavrick" and "Iceman" were in the first movie.
Simone: "I wonder if they're playing Bowie on purpose"
I believed in you and you did it! I never heard someone make that comment before, but you got the reference!
I mean, Jennifer Connelly with Bowie on the background? that can't be just a coincidence.
I knew you really have all those rock t-shirts for a good reason
Penny Benjamin was only mentioned in the previous movie when Meg Ryan says "Went ballistic with Penny Benjamin" an Admiral's daughter.
And when Maverick and Goose are being dressed down by the admiral in the beginning of the film - Goose mentions Penny.
I never knew "MACH" was such a mystery to many people until I heard reactions to this movie, but then I first learned about it from "The Right Stuff" at about eight years old.
Simone was the first reactor I have heard to notice the David Bowie and Jennifer Connelly connection.
Charlie's house in the first movie is now known as the "Top Gun House" and it is in Oceanside, California. After years of it being closed and efforts to keep it a historical landmark, it was saved from demolition and moved about a block up the street from its movie location. Condos were built around it and currently it is a pie shop with a Top Gun theme. Look up "Top Gun House."
This is such a great movie, and this sequel works SO well after so much time from the original. Look forward to Simone and George's takes on it.
I took part in a barricade trap onboard USS Nimitz back in 1997.
That "little net" isn't so little, and those elastic bands are quite thick.
That said, as you can probably deduct, they're only used as a last resort measure. It's actually far safer to "crash" on a land facility than it is to do a barricade trap.
Barricades aren't exclusive to battle-damaged planes either. If you're at sea and a plane bolters too many times, they will elect to rig the barricade trap to make sure the plane gets down before they run out of gas.
Simone's face at the beach football scene is priceless lol
Simone needed an eye tracker for the beach scene, those eyes are ALL OVER haha.
Good job music, good job (mostly) Hans Zimmer!
And the end credits, after Lady Gaga's song, always gives me huge goosebumps - a beautiful re-orchestrated version of the theme song!
Those flight scenes are stunning, given that they're real.
Lots of younger people who weren't around when the first Top Gun came out say they like this one better. In a way, it is better, but you have no idea how big it was Top Gun at the time. It was huge. The movie, the soundtrack... And the cast became huge stars, especially Tom Cruise.
I mean yeah, but this one is better in cinematography and relationships. No teacher - student thing and that made me happy
The words in the start were NOT the same. This time instead of Men it said Men and Women! In the first movie he was with Charlotte, who was called Charlie but they mentioned that Maverick had been involved with an Admiral's daughter and Goose said her name was Penny Benjamin. And his wife, played by Meg Ryan also mentioned her when she was talking to Charlotte as one of the women Mav had been with. 👗👗👠👠💓💓
The P-51 you see in the beginning and end is Tom's own plane. He took every actor who would be in flying scenes up in it to give them some sense of what they will experience. Although just from a 75-year-old piston-engine plane to the jets they would be in for the movie, it got them started off right. There are videos about the making of it and how they set the cameras in the back seat of the jets, etc. There are some tell-tale pieces of equipment in the shots that give away that they aren't in the front cockpits, but not enough to detract. Also, at the opening when the plane flies over the gate guardhouse and tears off the roof - that wasn't scripted but was too good to take out, repair and do it again. Glad they left it! In our Ranger bars, you walk in with a hat on or fail a challenge for the unit coin then ring the bell and buy the bar. Finally, the aircraft they stole was an F14 which is what was in Top Gun and Goose was the Radar Intercept Officer in the back seat.
I had a patient who flew a P-51 in air shows and he said every pilot comes up to him and says that is their dream plane to fly, even pilots who fly F-16's F-15's, F-22's or any modern fighter tell him they would give anything to fly in his Mustang.
Watched this in 4DX format this year with some friends. One of the best movie experience for me.
No, Tom Cruise was not piloting any of the jets in the film. The "Darkstar" plane at the beginning is fictional, and while they did build a full-scale mockup (with Lockheed's help) for filming, it was not flyable. Cruise and the other actors were actually in the F/A-18s during their flying sequences, but they were in the back seat of 2-seat Hornets -- they were NOT piloting. However, the P-51 that Maverick takes Penny for a ride in at the end is owned by Cruise, and he did pilot it for those scenes.
Glenn Powell as Hagman was my fav character in this.
He was great in Everybody Wants Some, Richard Linklater's sequel to Dazed and Confused.
24:40 actually there are places you can go as a civilian where they do low level fast jet training (though not live fire ranges). Eg the Mach Loop in the UK (you can see videos on UA-cam).
This was hands down the best movie I’ve ever seen in a theater. It was made for it
To help understand G-Forces, the most intense roller coasters in the world peak around 6, and that's only for the briefest of loops/turns.
Aircraft mechanic here:
The reason Rooster had to get out of the jet at the end until after the engines were started is because he had to fire up the GPU or Ground Power Unit. That's basically an external starter for the turbine engines, either hydraulic or electric. Many VTOL aircraft (helicopters and the like) have an onboard APU (Auxiliary Power Unit) and can start independently.
Admittedly I've only worked in aviation in the civilian field, never the military, and all of my career has been spent working on helicopters, the majority of which on Chinooks so take anything I say with the greatest of grains of salt.
Yes Val Kilmer has lost his voice. The little talking you hear from him in this was digitally recreated for the scene.
In the original movie, there was a throwaway line about Maverick and an Admiral’s daughter. Penny is that Admiral’s daughter. Kelly McGillis, the actress who played Charlie in the original, has not aged as well as Tom Cruise, and she turned down appearing in TG:M as she’s retired from acting and admitted that she looks like an overweight grandma.
Oh, and the actor who played Bob is Bill Pullman’s son. You might recognize Bill’s roles of Lone Starr in Mel Brook’s “Spaceballs”, the dad in “Casper”, and the the US President in “Independence Day”.
While many of the Aviation scenes had the actors inside real planes, the Darkstar is a fictional aircraft (successor to the SR-71 Blackbird) and almost completely CG. It has the skunk on it because Skunkworks was the codename for the SR-71 project.
The original Blackbird could go faster than Mach 5 (5x the Speed of Sound,. though official top speed has yet to be declassified) and was built so that no missile system could even catch it to shoot it down as a spyplane. There currently exists Hypersonic Missiles (missiles than can go Mach 5) so the reason to have an even faster plane would be to outrun them. Not to mention the ability to be used as a bomber or attack plane that could orbit the earth (assuming enough fuel) in 5 hours. It could also go from LA to New York in 25 mins.
Great reaction!
I remember reading that the Navy allowed Tom Cruise to be in a real F-18 jet under one condition: that he couldn't touch any of the controls. Lol
Also, fun fact, the coordinates for the airbase in the unnamed enemy country actually correspond with Point Nemo, which is the point in the ocean farthest from land
All of the actors were filmed in real jets, weren't they?
(Riding in the back seat, of course.)
The whole cast flew backseat in the F-18F which is the two seat variant of the hornet. I flew that model with my last Squadron.
In relation to your comment made around the beginning, George, check out Collateral. Not going to specify which comment cause of spoilers lol
Penny Benjamin was briefly mentioned in the beginning of the Top Gun movie when Maverick and Goose were getting disciplined, after Cougar turned in his wings
The mission was the trench run. Tom Cruise was Obi-Wan. Rooster was Luke Skywalker. Hangman was han solo.
Just as good as the original. Another one of my favorites you should react to that is similar to this is The Final Countdown. (1980) The U.S.S. Nimitz goes back to December 6th, 1941. It's filmed on the Nimitz.
That would make short work of WWII
Some of the acting by the Nimitz crewmembers is terrible, but otherwise it's a good film. Lots of airplane porn.
This was an adrenaline thrill ride in the theatre. So much so that my iWatch sent me an alert that my heart rate was high and I seemed to be inactive during the bombing scene. Simone looks like she was feeling it, her eyes were fully opened wide!
Lol! Happened to me too! That’s how you know your watching a excellent film.
The "Thank you for saving my life." line really got me. Something about that line always gets me. Same thing happened at the end of the new Jumanji movie, which I really wasn't expecting.
When I went and saw it that scene really hit home for every other pilot and WSO there because it's true. We are like a second family coming together from all across the US, and will do just about anything to protect one another.
When Goose & Maverick's commanding officer is reprimanding them at the start of the first movie, he mentions an incident between Maverick and an admiral's daughter. Goose turns to Maverick and whispers "Penny Benjamin?" The same Penny Benjamin is in this one.
Love the referenced to A New Hope in this movie 😀
It's not the speed that crushes you, it's the acceleration. If you take a longer time to get to higher speeds you feel less g-forces. Once at any certain speed, if you maintain that speed you don't feel g-forces.
Edit: Oh yes...turning at high speed also causes g-forces...the faster the speed when you turn, the more the g-forces. But going in a straight line at high speed does not cause g-force unless you accelerate or decelerate!
There's some question about the gees Maverick was pulling when he did the turn at high speed. 4:45 I haven't tried to estimate it myself.
As others have probably said, Mach number is a velocity measurement, basically speed of object divided by speed of sound in whatever fluid it's in. So Mach 1 in air is different than in water, different altitudes change, etc. Just used to measure ranges of speed like subsonic, supersonic, all that jazz
7:54 Penny wasn't in the first movie but she was mentioned, she was the Admiral (16 year old) Daughter that he fooled around with before the movie that got him in trouble.
Cruise is a legend. After these next two (and his last) Mission: Impossible films, he's actually getting ready to film a movie in space. Not the entire movie, but a good portion of it, so they say. He's top tier.
"I wonder if they're playing Bowie on purpose?" Is that a Labyrinth reference, Simone? And yes Val Kilmer lost his voice and it was simulated in the movie. Finally Jennifer Connelly was like 15 when the original came out, so yeah she's playing a new character.
Watch the documentary “Val” - that’s NOT Kilmer’s actual voice post cancer. His voice is a lot harsher than it is here.
Also, Penny is referenced but not seen in the first one, so she’s not technically a new character “in universe”, only on screen.
Edited for accuracy.
@@thormelsted, Val Kilmer's son narrated the "Val" documentary.
@@Tr0nzoid Yes, I know. Val does speak in the film though. He struggles, but he can. That said, he doesn't sound like he does here. I misremembered his actual speaking voice post-cancer, which is a lot harsher than here.
@19:50 Jennifer Conolly's character name is "Penny Benjamin". In TOP GUN cannon, she was "the Admiral's daughter" referenced in conversation by his commanding officer and "Goose" that Pete "Maverick" Mitchell did a "flyover" for, and got busted. [See opening scene in TOP GUN (1986) when they find out they're going to Miramar.]
I`m buying this on 4k next week, what a great, great film! The Iceman scene is so moving.
G-Force. Around 5-6Gs prolonged will cause redouts or blackouts. In short intervals (1-2 sec) a sitting, trained pilot can take 9-10 Gs without issues. Once the human body starts pulling north of 25Gs, the studies I have read suggest the Gforce pull does small damage to tissue and ligaments that builds up over time and can present health risk. US Air Force John Stapp experimented heavily with this and is generally thought to be the man who set the High-Speed Safety Standards in New Mexico in 1954. He pulled 46.2Gs during Project Manhigh.
Tidbits: Some Roller Coasters do 3-6 Gs. 28Gs is the gravitational acceleration at the surface of the Sun. 100Gs is considered the exposure in a Indy car crash (2013 study by Dennis F. Shanahan) that people can survive fine in small intervals. 214Gs is the highest Gforce recorded and survived (Indy Car 2003 Kenny Brack). 480Gs is the acceleration and deceleration of coronal mass ejections from the Sun.
Late to the party but g-force is a measure of the rate of change in velocity (acceleration relative to freefall). Mach is a measure of change in position over time (speed), they're metrics of two seperate functions.
Mach is a measure of speed, while G is a measure of acceleration. For example, accelerating at 1G for a whole year would have you reach near the speed of light, which is far far faster than Mach 10. But you can accelerate/decelerate very quickly from 100km/h to 0km/h in a car crash and hit deadly G forces
"I feel like that would be enough to kill a person, the pressure"
It would, good thing they have an airplane built to withstand that speed around their body
In case no one said yet: Mach number is totally independent of G force. Mach 1 is the speed of sound. Mach 3 is three times the speed of sound. It is simply a way of expressing speed in relation to the speed of sound. When a plane files straight and level, it's experiencing 1G. G forces increase mostly when there's a change of direction (a turn or a pull up). Most high Mach flight is done at 1 G. Also, Penny Benjamin was mentioned twice in the first movie. She was the "admiral's daughter " that Mav "went ballistic" with, as related by Mav's boss and Goose's wife.
Penny Benjamin, his first love, is the Admiral’s daughter that was mentioned by his CO and by Meg Ryan. Which is why she said “of course you did” when he said “another Admiral.”
The fighter jets that Maverick & his team were flying in the film, are the "Boeing F/A-18E & F Super Hornets". A modernized & upgraded version, of the "Legacy F/A-18 C & D Hornets". The "C" &" E" models, are the "single seater", while the "D" & "F" models are the "two seaters". Canada is one of the countries, that currently opetates the F/A-18 C/D, but is slowly being phased out of service to the 5th gen "Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightinig II".
There were a few small things in the movie that go unnoticed. For example in the bar when hangman is talking to rooster about waiting for the moment that never comes, right after the comment he played 'slow ride' on the juke box as a further jab which is why rooster unplugged it and started playing the piano.
As I’m sure others have explained, mach is the speed of sound (which varies a bit with altitude). G is the force of gravity. So 2Gs means twice the force of gravity - it’s as if you weigh twice as much. Velocity doesn’t inherently imply any particular force; an object as perfectly constant velocity is being acted upon with a net force of zero; this is an alternative phrasing of Newton’s First Law.
There was so much more substance to everything. The characters, writing, plot, all of it was so much more cohesive and enjoyable. Another great reaction!
Mach is the speed past the sound barrier. Mach 1 is breaking the sound barrier, Mach 2 is 2x the speed of sound etc. G force is the amount of gravity that is applied to a mass. 1G is what we live in (roughly 14 lbs/square foot 6.35kg/square in)
For reference, speed-wise: the space station moves at about Mach 25, which is what you need to stay in orbit. Also there was a whole thing were Neal DeGrasse Tyson was saying Maverick would have vapourized ejecting at that altitude, but I saw a physicist debate it, the air is so thin where these ramjets work, it would for sure be a shock to the body, but survivable. Also we don't know if he ejected in an enclosed pod.
Also fun fact: the roof blows off of that shack in the beginning: that wasn't supposed to happen, and I don't think they could reshoot it, so they left it (thankfully because it's cool af)
Penny is Penny Benjamin. She's the Admiral's daughter he made a high-speed pass at according to the officer at the beginning of the first movie.
I grew in the 70s and 80s and being an 80s kid and saw this film in theater it was awesome to see Val Kilmer on the big screen one more time.
Penny was the Admiral's daughter that Maverick went balistic with in the first movie. Goose mentioned her name when they are getting bitched out for the fly by. Meg Ryan also mentioned her
My one and only gripe is that, photographically. There's no haze, no gradient lens filters and beams of light through windows that the Scott brothers did superbly. TGM is clinically clean and very very digital.
All F-14's are 2 seaters . The front position is the pilot, the rear position is manned by the RIO radar intercept officer, operating the weapons, Radar systems , Navigation, and pretty much everything else the pilot doesn't need to directly fly the plane. My guess as to why the Ejection seats didn't work is the Safety pins that we needed to be removed just before flight ( they were busy and the ground crew does it) so the seat don't go off accidentally. The Martin Baker Ejection seats I sat in had them. Grumman OV-1 Mohawk.
I can only imagine the scene between Maverick and Iceman was real emotion. Such a great movie!!
And George, "Sploosh!!" Lmao
The only plane that Cruise is actually flying is the P-51 at the end, which is his personal plane. He and the other actors are riding in the back seats of the other planes while someone else is flying them.
Hi guys! Mach number is purely for speed. Roughly 750 MpH or 1200 KpH. Not related to force. However, turning at high Mach speeds do impart angular momentum. Climbing or diving also imparts high G in relation to gravity
Flares are not an effective countermeasure against radar-guided missiles, they are for heat-seeking missiles. So the flare deployment was for cinematic effect. They would actually use electronic jamming or or launch "chaff," which is exploding canisters filled with strips of aluminum foil to decoy the missiles' radar.
Penny was the Admirals daughter that the Captain of the aircraft carrier mentioned about Maverick getting in trouble over fly by. Goose whispered her name to maverick. Also Tom cruise only flew the P51 Mustang at the end.
Couple of things
1. Mach refers to the speed of sound so Mach 10 is 10X the speed of sound, Gee's refer to the force of gravity so 11 Gee's is 11X the normal force of gravity
2. The roof coming off the building wasn't supposed to happen but the director liked the shot so they kept it in the movie
3. Tom Cruise didn't fly at all this movie, it was one of the specific conditions the navy had for helping film the movie
However, all actors did go through flight school before filming and where in the planes as they did all the flying
4. The faster something goes the harder it is not only to detect it on radar but it's also harder to shoot down.
at Mach 1, the flow velocity u is equal to the speed of sound. At Mach 0.65, u is 65% of the speed of sound (subsonic), and, at Mach 1.35, u is 35% faster than the speed of sound (supersonic). This is dependent on air pressure.. or "P static total". Mach varies at diffent altitudes. im not an expert.. but have studied fluid dynamics. (Remember folks.. Air is a fluid)
Hangman gets a lot of flak for talking smack, but he's also clearly the best pilot of the bunch, others can't keep up with him. Miraculously, halfway through the mission Rooster becomes better than even movie physics allow, but he only got Hangman's spot due to nepotism as he was one of the worst in every training exercise and his attitude toward Maverick in class.
All the actors filmed their scenes really flying in real fighter planes. They had to apply their own makeup, be the cinematographer, the director for that scene, run the cameras and act at the same time. Given the massive success of the first movie, the military allowed this to happen because it was Top Gun 2 (and Tom Cruise). The filmmakers made the backseats look like the front to make it look like the actors were flying the planes while the real pilot was behind the camera (in front) flying.