This is why its heartwarming seeing the amputee olympians who talk about how they not only had to train twice as hard to compensate but also spend a lot of time reconciling that they can still do stuff without one or even two limbs
We had a girl who was a swedish junior champion in rowing. 2018 she woke upp paralyzed from the waist down due to a bleeding in her back. Well she is about to compete in para row in Paris this year.
Except sailing involves lots of working with rope, tying knots etc - basically two working hands. Getting back to it would be impossible even with best prostetic available.
@@WeirdWonderful somebody in the comments explained why sailing is two-handes sport in great detail i have no hope to replicate. But in short it was about tying knots and constanly controling the rope. Even in two -person sailing she would be liability
@@BillionaireKing1996 exactly! I remember the story of a man who actually sued a fire department for saving his life during a suicide attempt. He actually won millions of dollars and all of a sudden now had the will to live. You can’t make this shit up.
That record would left her with enough money from sponsorships o pay some of her medical bills at least. And better opportunity to get sponsorship on prosthesis.
The real problem with this scene isn't the kid being ok with dying for a record. The problem is the doctor making the decision for the parents and kid.
they should've talked to her more about the amputation, all the details, if I woke up without an arm I would be screaming my head off and launch into a panic attack.
Everybody in here is talking as if losing your right arm would not matter to you in any situation. Most people need a lot of time to accept this. I had a relative whose right leg was amputated and after he had just accepted that, it turned out that the left leg had to be amputated as well. He said "that leg will stay on!" He then had about half a year to come to terms with this fact and then accepted it. But who would be able to accept it on the spot and then at this young age? Imagine you play an instrument, it is your great hobby and then you realize this will never possible again. Would you not rage, fear, grieve for more than some minutes? Maybe never come to term with this loss ever?
Also she cannot go back to sailing because it specifically require lots of working with rope - aka two good hands. She lost her sponsorship, career path, trust in medical doctors, trust in parents. And her future is full of medical bills
What is she complaining about? All they took away from her is the immortality of achieving something no one else has and going in the records books and gave her back emotional trauma, being looked down on or (at best) being unnoticed at all by society. Oh, and the love of the parents you hold responsible.
@@swearimnotarobot3746well it would be pointless after she achieved it for a years. She could brag about it but no one would care. So yeah, its pointless
@@omegapocalypse3648please don’t speak on shit you know Nothing about do you even Have kids ? Do you know how it feels to have a dead child ? 😒just shut up
@@omegapocalypse3648she wouldn't have broke it before dying, and it's a record, meaning eventually someone else will break it, I would not have my child throw away their life for something temporary
@@minxyayalayep, that doctor gave the girl medicine that messed with her heart, and guilt tripped parents into singing amputation papers. She not only poisoned and gaslighted the girl but also made her parents the villains so the girl's support system is all screwed now
I despised this episode and what eventually lead to me quitting the show. I already disliked this Doctor a lot. But the fact that she faked a medical issue to trick the parents into signing the surgery off is horrifying and she should be disbarred. I also get the " Save my childs life and be hated argument" but it's not just that. Losing part of yourself is not something people can take easily. There are people who'd rather die whole, then be without a limb. That's not even including anything like the depression, and phantom pain issues. It'd be a bit different if your child needs their appendix removed ASAP. But your child doesn't want to. As living without the appendix isn't such a life changing event.
my dad lived after an assault for sixteen years because his assailants didnt finish the job. he suffered a wheelchair for four years, then 12 years bedridden, all while suffering an amputated leg, 9 strokes, and 6 heart attacks. he had no quality of life and was miserable and I lost any semblance of an inheritance to the state for his care. my family stole everything thats left. if someone wants something, give it to them.
How on earth did you make it to this point in the series if this is such a turn off for you? House disregards parents wishes and does things that should get him fired literally every episode but when this doctor does it you want to quit the series?
If u prefer death cause u lost a limb,u are too weak for this life to live.natural selection deals with weak.being weak doesn't come from the number of limbs,it comes from the soul.u need to make it stronger
Patient has the right to determine their care. The parent only gets a decision if the patient can't. This would have cost the hospital a lot more than it was worth in a lawsuit, and the doctor would have lost their license. But good tv.
I'm deeply terrified for the children of the people in this comments section, if they've got any. Yes, as a parent, this was the right move. However, this girl absolutely is valid in feeling a variety of emotions. She's alive, yes; but she's grieving her old life. Not to mention, she's dealing with waking up with an amputation she didn't consent to. She was completely blindsided. Having to undergo such a life-altering change is traumatic enough. But going about it like this is another level of emotionally harrowing. Just because you might think her record was "pointless", doesn't mean that to her, this is any less of a loss. This, to her, was her entire life. This was everything to her, & now she's lost it forever. She's a young girl, who's entitled to her emotions given this horrible situation. Once again, it doesn't mean her parents are wrong. They saved her life. But she is valid in waking up feeling traumatized &, to say the least, upset.
I agree completely, especially when you look at hour the female Doctor slipped a drug into her IV, to make it appear her life was on the line, and the parents needed to sign the consent forms right then or their child would be dead within a day. Doctor was horrid from the start of her introduction to the show, but this epsiode lead to me quitting the show altogether.
@@lweaver2988 Ah, yes. Let's write off being scared of LITERALLY LOSING YOUR ARM as an overreaction. Listen, teenage girl who now has to relearn a million things & just woke up with an amputation you DIDN'T KNOW WAS HAPPENING, you need to shut your mouth and be grateful. How DARE you care about breaking records or achieving your dreams, prior to receiving such a horrifying diagnosis? How dare you not instantly grasp the severity of the situation at hand, understand the correct decision, & also remain far calmer than most adults would in circumstances such as these!
@@ms.blooddiamond3857 I'm writing off you calling people evil monsters that are going to abuse their kids, because they are seeing this fictional scenario from a different perspective, and are reacting differently than you.
@@lweaver2988 I'm SO GLAD you're writing that off- because I literally never said that. I never called them "evil monsters". Disagreeing with her reaction is fine. I'm not talking about those people. I'm referring to the MULTIPLE comments legitimately calling this girl stupid, & acting like she's some sort of brat for being upset about losing her arm. Which is insane.
So the messed up thing is that this doctor was SO good to the point that it became a challenge for House to make her do the types of immoral things that are everyday work for their insane jobs, like breaking and entering, lying to people, even fibbing hours or numbers of experience doing pointless procedures by a single digit becomes a test for her. And she like definitely needed to have her worldview readjusted because she was overly idealistic and naïve about the real world, it was genuinely a trait that made her a worse doctor. But the transformation and ease with which he eventually gets this extremely shiny and perfect young prodigy to acclimate to the environment of casual lawbreaking and l total enabling of all of their boss’s worst traits, that’s the real tragedy of the show. That House doesn’t want anyone to end up like him, but even by being in his direct orbit, he changes you over time. Chase was the longest and clearest example of this, but she got a nice little mini arc as well
Even if you do something for the right reasons it doesn’t make you a good person. She made her decision so they should have done nothing. I don’t care what anyone else has to say about this comment.
She set her up for the amputation I didn't even give her enough time to process which happening on top of that kept pushing the parents to sign off on it without the patient being ready for that fact
Cancer cant simply be waited on it will cause damage the longer its there she is both a idiot and has no sense of danger that honestly this is her only option to live
Tbh, I think they should've told her all of the possibilities even if its 0.00000001% or at least most of them so the child knows, but she got shocked because her arm literally just got cutt off
Going off this clip alone (did not see the show). It kind of fucked that they didn't even try to comfort her about this. I understand why, but shame on them for foreseen this change so quickly.
I'd be perfectly fine waking up with no arm if there was no choice. Cause you know I'd still be alive. I'd rather just stay alive. Edit: no shit she's not me. Did I say she was? I'm just saying how I'd be in this situation. Quit crying.
House: Plus it’s the future, where prosthetic limbs are as fancy as the ones you see in the movies… I wonder if I can cut off my leg and replace it with an Ironman boot, that’ll be cool.
I think a lot of channels just chose to censor certain words just to avoid unnecessary problems. Buf you can't say hardly anything now without the UA-cam bot having a hissy fit. Although it seems selective as some people can say whatever they like while others can't.
@@dakotalivingston3705 Except we've got kids nowadays getting their body parts chopped off regardless of parental consent. And a mother can choose to keep her unborn child knowing it'll put her own life at risk. Just seems funny a lot of people spout on about their conflicting views.
No children are getting body parts hacked off willy-nilly, ffs. Stop listening to Fox “News”. Gender confirming surgery isn’t done to minors. The most that happens is hormone blockers which simply delay puberty. The drugs are safe and are commonly used in non-trans children to treat a variety of health issues. Look up Cherubism for one. Sometimes teens over 16 will be given the option to begin hormone therapy. Once again, these are safe and commonly used drugs. This is only done if the teen has been through years upon years of counseling and the parents, teen, and doctors (yes, plural) all agree it’s the best decision for that individual. But that’s NOT surgery.
It is the parents' choice until it becomes a medical emergency. The topic has been danced around a lot with religious parents who would rather neglect their child over some imaginary being. The legal precedent is that a medical emergency overrides the parent's wishes. Though, this doctor also very nearly killed the patient by inducing a heart attack in order to do the whole "we found this in discovery and therefore legally protected because we had to save your life."
For the love of, there is no right or wrong answer to this. If it really was that severe, then yea, ya gotta cut it off. I do understand her feelings, I might've felt the same way cause I'm right handed, and I'm an artistic person. It would be deeply traumatic for me, weither I consented or not, if I had to loose my arm. The girl is not wrong for feeling the way she's feeling. But based off what I'm seeing, they didn't give her the chance to understand that she had ways to overcome it. Like prosthetics. Hell even if I was stuck with one arm I still do art no matter what. I wouldn't give up on it just because I lost an arm. But I don't blame her parents for choosing her life over a funeral. There is no right answer that makes everyone happy here. But the doctor had no right to force her into a critical moment just to amputate. That's malpractice I don't care how you color it. Not ok
I get why everyone's annoyed with the girl, but she's also a teenager still. She doesn't fully understand that it was literally, "Your arm stays on you or you stay on Earth", because not every kid thinks that fast, especially when something that crazy is happening. Stress and trauma can absolutely fry minds. Almost 10 years ago now, my brother had to stay in a children's hospital for an extended period, and I only have a handful of memories from that time due to how awful it was. I remember being a middle-schooler and my dad dragging me out of the hospital wing crying because I didn't want to leave him, I remember seeing a wildfire on the way home one time and crying because I'd never seen something like that in real life before, I remember playing Battlefront 2 on a PS2 set up in the recreation room with a super cool boy that I never saw again, and I remember the first day I visited my brother while we played on his new Darth Vader PSP and tested out that monster-catching game (whatever it was called) with the PSP camera
I mean, it's a fictional drama, but even so. Kids have no sense of their own mortality--she'll get over it when she realizes she could never have lived out her dreams in a casket.
But now she can’t live out her dream and has to live with that and be miserable. Also, don’t downplay a kid’s feeling, that’s shitty parenting. Many kids have much better morality than a lot of adults.
@@omegapocalypse3648 they’re talking about mortality not morality, and welp, gotta find another dream, yeah there can be regrets, but the most regret would come from not being able to live a life. It sucks but that’s what life is, the commenter is saying that she would probably get pass those regrets as she lives on.
Regardless, the doctor stepped over a line, broke an oath and ultimately has opened the hospital up to several lawsuits A doctor that dictates their will upon the patient, is not a good doctor, even if it’s gonna save a life, not everyone wants saving, it’s their life and their call Tho I get the sentiment, there are plenty of TV doctors that constantly break their oath and almost never get punished for violating someone’s rights, even when it’s not a life saving medical situation, they always make calls, whenever the patient tells them “no” They no longer consent to whatever you have done or will do She may have lived but she didn’t want to, not at the time, and forced her to spend years being debilitated forever The doctor does not make the call, the parents do here and they made their call, I honestly would have had the parents be the one to make the tough call, the doctor never should do this type of stuff I believe she should have lived, I just wish the parents made the choice and not the cliché “I’m the doctor and I make the choice, not you!” Where they try to spin it as a moral story every time Yes the girl should live and be treated, it just needed to be done through the parents The answer is NOT to force a patient into a HEART ATTACK and RISKING THEIR LIFE ANYWAYS just to force an operation on the person Not only that, but the girl then has to wake up and with no prep, finds out about it all and her arm missing, giving her stress induced trauma for her whole life, on top of now being disabled against her will Ultimately turning her more angry at the world, ruining her relationship with her parents, shutting herself from her friends and not being able to follow her passion like she wants Which can lead to doubt in herself and eventually depression and possibly suicidal thoughts I know this is a dumb show, and I’m making assumptions towards the end, but it’s not exactly a far off point to make There is a reason these rules exist IRL
@@quartzskull8772 the parents signed to give their daughter a Heart attack intentionally? From what I’ve seen here, the parents agreed with their daughter, then the doctor gave the daughter a heart track to force the amputation procedure against their combined wishes If what you say is true, that’s a ton of context that is missing from this video
@@quartzskull8772 if you didn’t care to read my context then you shouldn’t have bothered responding if you didn’t care enough bout the subject? I get I made a long post but that was to dissect what I just saw, I get people have issues with reading on the internet and nobody has the time of day to read anymore But my point was about the doctor FORCING a situation on the patient and forcing the parents to change their mind by giving their daughter the heart attack Because the overall problem is the doctor violated people’s rights, risking their lives to try and save them, going against the patients will and of course malpractice TV doctors are always doing this stuff, with no consequences
@@Castle_Games Look how silly I am, Because I am currently watching "House M.D" and I have just reached to Season-4 of "House M.D" Yet I haven't seen that female doctor telling patient's parents to amputate her arm but then I saw a glimpse of Dr. Chase, Dr. Foreman, Dr. Taub and Thirteen to confirm that It is a Short Clip of "House M.D". 🤦♂️🤦♂️😁😅
The hell are you talking about? 🤨 It’s called being a parent. She a minor. Children make decisions that are well, childish, and without foresight hence the need for a parent’s sign off. She was worried about a record while her parents who love her were trying to save her life from cancer. I couldn’t allow my parents to live with the fact they could have prevented my death yet chose to give into my childish desires instead. Get perspective.
No it doesn't work like that, life is to live it, not to waste it in just one goal like a "record", Life is precious and challenges are along the road, we have to be wise in order to make the proper decisions. SImple as that.
I can’t believe so many people are agreeing with this decision. This is horrific. Can you imagine going unconscious waking up and they cut your arm off? Even when you’re a child, you have rights to a certain degree of medical autonomy and this violates that and that doctor for doing what she did tricking the girl into having her arm amputated when she she didn’t not only her, but her mother’s will that is straight up illegal and she should be in prison for that. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to do the first and then doing the amputation. You can’t amputate your arm. It’s a severely mentally taxing thing. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to do one last thing with ypirnarm before having it amputated. Healing from something that traumatic is going to be so much harder, considering it was done against your will
iirc, the problem was if she lost the arm now, she'd live, and if she lost the arm later-- well, she wouldn't have to lose the arm later cause she'd have already been dead. Not really much of an option there :\
regardless, being an amputee can come with a lifetime of chronic pain. also even with the best prosthetics there may be issues with the residual limb that require revision surgery, or breaks from the prosthetic
No it wouldn't. She was a minor, the parents consented. Even when he said she will do what she is gonna do with or without me, the parent signature talk overiding that tells me she was a minor. Having to talk her mother into it also tells me that she was a minor. Even if she wasn't, she had a medical emergency requiring surgery giving them the right to make emergency decisions for her. The discovery of the spread of cancer to the lymph node during that surgery changed the amputation need to emergent making it their choice. No court would side with the minor If she tried to sue her parents either, as they were choosing to save her life. The doctor said if they had left the arm during the surgery and let her sail she would have died. This is because they found cancer in a lymph node during her surgery meaning it was spreading fast, she didn't have time to wait anymore. No court would say parents should have let their child die for a record. Especially since there was no guarantee she even would have broken the record. One day of unexpected bad weather could have ruined that for her. Speaking as a RN btw.
While the Acolyte didn’t do it well, Positive corruption arcs have happened. The Jedi Code is definitely restrictive enough for some to come out better even if they’ve become corrupted, if only because they can finally see its flaws and grow for them. Ashara from the Old republic game is great example of this. She was undeniably corrupted, but also came out an better person for it.
Doctor: "We're going to have to amputate your arm." Patient: "Will I still have time to break the record?" Doctor: "Your life is more important." (Minutes later) Patient: "WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED!? WHY IS MY ARM GONE!? THAT RECORD WAS EVERYTHING!!" Doctor: 😑
@@jonathanwilliams1065okay, your 16, your slightly older sibling is dying and needs a kidney, you only have one kidney that is healthy and perfectly matches your sibling. your parents decide for you that you will give up your kidney at the cost of your health meaning once you donate the kidney you will have severe health issues for the rest of your life. Now tell me, should minors have bodily autonomy? (btw not saying this to be snarky or malicious. just a what if)
This is why children need someone who really cares about their long term health overlooking their medical choices. Its sad she was angry, but she clearly did not understand.
You realize some are perfectly willing to give their lives for their passion? That does not mean they are being stupid, it means they have something that is important to them. And others have no right to dictate what that is.
@@Morten_Storvikyea but she is still young? I love sky diving but I'm not gonna jump out of a plane without a parachute. Here family is obviously there because she "needed" concent. But by all means tell us how you'd sacrifice your child even when they're careers was already over.
I feel you girl. I’d probably be mad that the extreme was the only choice to give me a chance at survival. However, I don’t want my end to be out of pride; I’d rather live life to the fullest and even if there are major bumps on the road I will overcome them one step at a time
No, I don’t know if it would’ve changed anything but if they let her go do her record would that put her life at risk if it was like a day or two because if it wasn’t gonna change anything I would’ve let her go do her thing and then come back and do the surgery But if it was like a life or death situation then I’m sorry. Yeah she hates her parents right now, but she’s gonna get over it and you know what maybe next year if she practices really hard maybe she could still break that record with one arm and maybe by then she’ll have, a prosthetic and she’ll beat that with only one arm
I know she’s ungrateful in the moment! But it’s better she could survived! Plus eventually if she wants, they can get her a prosthetic arm to replace the arm she had to lose.
Prosthesis aren't perfect, and amputations can have medical consequences that go on for years, if not the rest of your life. Also, if they were going to override her choice going the "she's a minor" route, they should have told her before she went under, so that she wouldn't have been blindsided. She's never going to trust her parents again, not fully.
@@astrinymris9953 Yeah. Her parents should have made it clear to her why they want to do it before she went into surgery. She was complaining about not being able to do some competition afterwards. Yet the doctor clearly said she would have died if they wait until after the competition. She was full right to be angry! It’s one Hell of a change! Yet hopefully she could realize that competition wasn’t worth dying for if she kept her cancer arm. I think she would need to attend plenty of therapy for the change. Especially if that was her dominant hand she lost! But sadly cancer doesn’t care about who it effects and just destroys them if not treated. The parents will have to live with their daughter having trust issues. Hell, she might even developed a trust issue with medical people for doing it to her. But I can’t imagine wanting to die after some kind of competition when I known I could have gotten rid of the cancer arm earlier and survived.
@@FaysalIsGoated No, but seriously. The doctor gave the patient a drug in the IV to make it appear she was dying right then. Just to get the parents to agree. Right from the start of the episode she had already made the decision for the patient. Was just a matter of getting the non-willing parent to consent.
If this was my daughter and she freaked out like this after nearly dying I'd do the tough love "stfu, you're alive and loved. Are you really, as a teenager just beginning their life, going to lay their and say you'd rather have a pointless death? Did I raise you to be this careless and clueless? There are many dreams and opportunities to do what you want and love but you can't fulfill those if you're dead" Sometimes you have to hit heavy and be a bit callus for someone who is so dense and emotional, to snap back to rationalism and then once they do, then you can shower them with love and support. Seen this happen, it's all about psychology. Teenagers think and feel differently and respond better when you push them unlike children who need calm support and reassurance. Be hard on a teen with reason and logic but then get on an equal level, be calm and explain with support, love and reassurance.
This is why its heartwarming seeing the amputee olympians who talk about how they not only had to train twice as hard to compensate but also spend a lot of time reconciling that they can still do stuff without one or even two limbs
We had a girl who was a swedish junior champion in rowing. 2018 she woke upp paralyzed from the waist down due to a bleeding in her back. Well she is about to compete in para row in Paris this year.
Look up for Bebe Vio’s story. It’s the most inspirational thing I’ve ever heard ❤
I'd rather have my child hate me for life than love me dead
who the fuck asked
@@jradishsomeone make you angry.😢
Man why so mean
💀
And oil up I'll be there in 5
Now imagine braking that record with a prosthetic arm. That record isn't going anywhere, but cancer travels fast
Except sailing involves lots of working with rope, tying knots etc - basically two working hands. Getting back to it would be impossible even with best prostetic available.
@@marvolom787You can't say that for sure
@@WeirdWonderful somebody in the comments explained why sailing is two-handes sport in great detail i have no hope to replicate. But in short it was about tying knots and constanly controling the rope. Even in two -person sailing she would be liability
@@marvolom787 Well parasailing is a thing so that's still not an argument
@WeirdWonderful and? That's totally different thing than solo sailing. Not even close
"Hate us for the rest of your life. We'll still love you for the rest of ours."
In a care home with zero contact
Wow!!! 666th like!!! Ominous
Helllllll no. People have the right to chose how they live or die that’s so wrong.
@@BillionaireKing1996 exactly! I remember the story of a man who actually sued a fire department for saving his life during a suicide attempt. He actually won millions of dollars and all of a sudden now had the will to live. You can’t make this shit up.
Not minors they don't, your parents can literally do decide for you . Deal with it @@BillionaireKing1996
"that record is Everything"
That Record will be POINTLESS if Youre Dead!
Assuming she even lived long enough to make it.
until someone else breaks her record and is forgotten.
@@John-qe1go
At least, her name is still in the sports registries. And she gets to live.
Exactly. The only ones that appreciate records (if any) are among the living.
That record would left her with enough money from sponsorships o pay some of her medical bills at least. And better opportunity to get sponsorship on prosthesis.
The real problem with this scene isn't the kid being ok with dying for a record. The problem is the doctor making the decision for the parents and kid.
She made the parents into their daughter's villains
they should've talked to her more about the amputation, all the details, if I woke up without an arm I would be screaming my head off and launch into a panic attack.
They did, this short is a short. They cut it. (Not the arm. Part of a plot.)
@@Izabela-ek5nh😂🤣
If they did, she wouldn't wake up, at all.
@@Izabela-ek5nh no they didn't
W*man Moment.
Everybody in here is talking as if losing your right arm would not matter to you in any situation. Most people need a lot of time to accept this. I had a relative whose right leg was amputated and after he had just accepted that, it turned out that the left leg had to be amputated as well. He said "that leg will stay on!" He then had about half a year to come to terms with this fact and then accepted it. But who would be able to accept it on the spot and then at this young age? Imagine you play an instrument, it is your great hobby and then you realize this will never possible again. Would you not rage, fear, grieve for more than some minutes? Maybe never come to term with this loss ever?
Also she cannot go back to sailing because it specifically require lots of working with rope - aka two good hands. She lost her sponsorship, career path, trust in medical doctors, trust in parents. And her future is full of medical bills
What is she complaining about? All they took away from her is the immortality of achieving something no one else has and going in the records books and gave her back emotional trauma, being looked down on or (at best) being unnoticed at all by society. Oh, and the love of the parents you hold responsible.
Kid, your life is more important than a pointless record.
Murican teens haha
I get what you’re saying, but the record isn’t pointless to her. To her, that IS her life.
@@swearimnotarobot3746well it would be pointless after she achieved it for a years. She could brag about it but no one would care. So yeah, its pointless
Not for everyone
@@Amyayak09and she doesn't need to care for others and achivement is an achievement
Better being hated by a living person than hating yourself in front of their tombstone.
Nah, cuz if you really understood that that’s what the person wanted then you’d come to terms faster.
@@omegapocalypse3648please don’t speak on shit you know Nothing about do you even Have kids ? Do you know how it feels to have a dead child ? 😒just shut up
@@omegapocalypse3648that's how I know you're a psychopath
@@omegapocalypse3648she wouldn't have broke it before dying, and it's a record, meaning eventually someone else will break it, I would not have my child throw away their life for something temporary
@@omegapocalypse3648I think we are all forgetting that it's a child, they make irrational decisions all the time
"My priority as your parent is you and not some record. I'd rather you live a long life with one arm vs me holding your record at your funeral."
What pisses me off if there are now other methods to fixing this that aren't that extreme
Dude that’s messed up- she made her have a cardiac arrest on purpose to cut her arm off
Wait, thats what happend in the show. Did they really rick her life like that just to speed up this tragedy. All of them are fucked
@@minxyayalayep, that doctor gave the girl medicine that messed with her heart, and guilt tripped parents into singing amputation papers. She not only poisoned and gaslighted the girl but also made her parents the villains so the girl's support system is all screwed now
House - S07 E19. The actress playing the doctor is Amber Tamblyn
she was in ring, grudge and two and a half men
I despised this episode and what eventually lead to me quitting the show. I already disliked this Doctor a lot. But the fact that she faked a medical issue to trick the parents into signing the surgery off is horrifying and she should be disbarred.
I also get the " Save my childs life and be hated argument" but it's not just that. Losing part of yourself is not something people can take easily. There are people who'd rather die whole, then be without a limb. That's not even including anything like the depression, and phantom pain issues.
It'd be a bit different if your child needs their appendix removed ASAP. But your child doesn't want to. As living without the appendix isn't such a life changing event.
The girl ŵas kind of ok with the amputation (if it is even possible) but after setting a record. And it would most probably kill her.
my dad lived after an assault for sixteen years because his assailants didnt finish the job. he suffered a wheelchair for four years, then 12 years bedridden, all while suffering an amputated leg, 9 strokes, and 6 heart attacks. he had no quality of life and was miserable and I lost any semblance of an inheritance to the state for his care. my family stole everything thats left. if someone wants something, give it to them.
How on earth did you make it to this point in the series if this is such a turn off for you? House disregards parents wishes and does things that should get him fired literally every episode but when this doctor does it you want to quit the series?
Absolutely right
If u prefer death cause u lost a limb,u are too weak for this life to live.natural selection deals with weak.being weak doesn't come from the number of limbs,it comes from the soul.u need to make it stronger
Patient has the right to determine their care. The parent only gets a decision if the patient can't. This would have cost the hospital a lot more than it was worth in a lawsuit, and the doctor would have lost their license. But good tv.
I'm deeply terrified for the children of the people in this comments section, if they've got any. Yes, as a parent, this was the right move. However, this girl absolutely is valid in feeling a variety of emotions. She's alive, yes; but she's grieving her old life. Not to mention, she's dealing with waking up with an amputation she didn't consent to. She was completely blindsided. Having to undergo such a life-altering change is traumatic enough. But going about it like this is another level of emotionally harrowing. Just because you might think her record was "pointless", doesn't mean that to her, this is any less of a loss. This, to her, was her entire life. This was everything to her, & now she's lost it forever. She's a young girl, who's entitled to her emotions given this horrible situation.
Once again, it doesn't mean her parents are wrong. They saved her life. But she is valid in waking up feeling traumatized &, to say the least, upset.
I agree completely, especially when you look at hour the female Doctor slipped a drug into her IV, to make it appear her life was on the line, and the parents needed to sign the consent forms right then or their child would be dead within a day.
Doctor was horrid from the start of her introduction to the show, but this epsiode lead to me quitting the show altogether.
You're terrified because people disagree with her outlook? I'm terrified of the nervous wrecks You're raising.
@@lweaver2988 Ah, yes. Let's write off being scared of LITERALLY LOSING YOUR ARM as an overreaction. Listen, teenage girl who now has to relearn a million things & just woke up with an amputation you DIDN'T KNOW WAS HAPPENING, you need to shut your mouth and be grateful. How DARE you care about breaking records or achieving your dreams, prior to receiving such a horrifying diagnosis? How dare you not instantly grasp the severity of the situation at hand, understand the correct decision, & also remain far calmer than most adults would in circumstances such as these!
@@ms.blooddiamond3857 I'm writing off you calling people evil monsters that are going to abuse their kids, because they are seeing this fictional scenario from a different perspective, and are reacting differently than you.
@@lweaver2988 I'm SO GLAD you're writing that off- because I literally never said that. I never called them "evil monsters". Disagreeing with her reaction is fine. I'm not talking about those people. I'm referring to the MULTIPLE comments legitimately calling this girl stupid, & acting like she's some sort of brat for being upset about losing her arm. Which is insane.
So the messed up thing is that this doctor was SO good to the point that it became a challenge for House to make her do the types of immoral things that are everyday work for their insane jobs, like breaking and entering, lying to people, even fibbing hours or numbers of experience doing pointless procedures by a single digit becomes a test for her. And she like definitely needed to have her worldview readjusted because she was overly idealistic and naïve about the real world, it was genuinely a trait that made her a worse doctor. But the transformation and ease with which he eventually gets this extremely shiny and perfect young prodigy to acclimate to the environment of casual lawbreaking and l total enabling of all of their boss’s worst traits, that’s the real tragedy of the show. That House doesn’t want anyone to end up like him, but even by being in his direct orbit, he changes you over time. Chase was the longest and clearest example of this, but she got a nice little mini arc as well
Unpopular opinion: I'd rather die than lose an arm
Me too
Even if you do something for the right reasons it doesn’t make you a good person. She made her decision so they should have done nothing. I don’t care what anyone else has to say about this comment.
Nah if my arm gotta go then I gotta go, I can’t live without both arms 🗿
She set her up for the amputation I didn't even give her enough time to process which happening on top of that kept pushing the parents to sign off on it without the patient being ready for that fact
Cancer cant simply be waited on it will cause damage the longer its there she is both a idiot and has no sense of danger that honestly this is her only option to live
I'd rather be dead than lose my arm but I already wouldn't mind being dead
EXACTLY, YOU GET IT. I relate with you on the second half of the verse.
Are you okay?
Tbh, I think they should've told her all of the possibilities even if its 0.00000001% or at least most of them so the child knows, but she got shocked because her arm literally just got cutt off
The doctor caused her a cardiac attack in order to cut the arm? That's a malpractice
Bro the parents would rather have a child who hates them rather than a dead yet greatful chil😢
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you can't even copy, right
L parents
@MusicAnime4Ever1 L parents? God forbid you ever have a kid. You're clearly not capable.
@👌👌👌theCantinafan
@@theCantinafanand risk sacrificing their autonomy?
The doctor is soooo out of line . She should be fired.
Fired? She should have had her license to practice medicine stripped from her, with criminal charges to boot.
Going off this clip alone (did not see the show). It kind of fucked that they didn't even try to comfort her about this. I understand why, but shame on them for foreseen this change so quickly.
I'd be perfectly fine waking up with no arm if there was no choice. Cause you know I'd still be alive. I'd rather just stay alive.
Edit: no shit she's not me. Did I say she was? I'm just saying how I'd be in this situation. Quit crying.
literally her dad forced her to get her arm cut off if this was me id spend the rest of my life trying to kill my self
Well she’s not you
House: Plus it’s the future, where prosthetic limbs are as fancy as the ones you see in the movies… I wonder if I can cut off my leg and replace it with an Ironman boot, that’ll be cool.
Thats you
She only got sad because she requested for that not to happened
So we’re not allowed to say the word “died” now on YT? 😂
Apparently not. 🙄
So UA-cam isn't ok with swearing but also not ok with words like died?
I think a lot of channels just chose to censor certain words just to avoid unnecessary problems.
Buf you can't say hardly anything now without the UA-cam bot having a hissy fit. Although it seems selective as some people can say whatever they like while others can't.
“That kid needs therapy” is what I was thinking this whole episode
I guess body autonomy doesn't count when it's an arm getting cut off.
she's a minor, so it was her parents' choice. Not to mention she would have died if she didn't get it amputated. Her dying = no record
@@dakotalivingston3705 Except we've got kids nowadays getting their body parts chopped off regardless of parental consent. And a mother can choose to keep her unborn child knowing it'll put her own life at risk. Just seems funny a lot of people spout on about their conflicting views.
No children are getting body parts hacked off willy-nilly, ffs. Stop listening to Fox “News”.
Gender confirming surgery isn’t done to minors. The most that happens is hormone blockers which simply delay puberty. The drugs are safe and are commonly used in non-trans children to treat a variety of health issues. Look up Cherubism for one.
Sometimes teens over 16 will be given the option to begin hormone therapy. Once again, these are safe and commonly used drugs. This is only done if the teen has been through years upon years of counseling and the parents, teen, and doctors (yes, plural) all agree it’s the best decision for that individual. But that’s NOT surgery.
Children are not getting body parts chopped off these days. @@TheJamation
It is the parents' choice until it becomes a medical emergency.
The topic has been danced around a lot with religious parents who would rather neglect their child over some imaginary being.
The legal precedent is that a medical emergency overrides the parent's wishes.
Though, this doctor also very nearly killed the patient by inducing a heart attack in order to do the whole "we found this in discovery and therefore legally protected because we had to save your life."
As someone who needs their hands for a craft I feel for her.
As someone who lives for dance, I say that if I had to do something that would compromise my ability to dance, I'd rather die.
Man kill me if I gotta loose a arm 💯
I'd rather die than lose a limb. Life is barely worth it now, with all four limbs.
this many hatred, kid's a good actress
What show and what season and episode please
I'm torn, it is her body.😢
Wait so she was okay about getting her arm amputated in the first scene but then when her arm actually got amputated she got super mad? Why?
Because she wanted to go for the record before the amputation
For the love of, there is no right or wrong answer to this. If it really was that severe, then yea, ya gotta cut it off. I do understand her feelings, I might've felt the same way cause I'm right handed, and I'm an artistic person. It would be deeply traumatic for me, weither I consented or not, if I had to loose my arm. The girl is not wrong for feeling the way she's feeling. But based off what I'm seeing, they didn't give her the chance to understand that she had ways to overcome it. Like prosthetics. Hell even if I was stuck with one arm I still do art no matter what. I wouldn't give up on it just because I lost an arm. But I don't blame her parents for choosing her life over a funeral.
There is no right answer that makes everyone happy here.
But the doctor had no right to force her into a critical moment just to amputate. That's malpractice I don't care how you color it. Not ok
What was the record?
Like some WNBA thing...
A worthless thing no one would care about
@@stevenavarro really?
@@jacoballen5538 i care
Sailing it seems
Guys... Depression is a thing :D
I've no problem hating people for life who take my decisions outta my hand.
Remember, you wanted this...
Well, at least my conscience will be clear
I get why everyone's annoyed with the girl, but she's also a teenager still. She doesn't fully understand that it was literally, "Your arm stays on you or you stay on Earth", because not every kid thinks that fast, especially when something that crazy is happening. Stress and trauma can absolutely fry minds. Almost 10 years ago now, my brother had to stay in a children's hospital for an extended period, and I only have a handful of memories from that time due to how awful it was. I remember being a middle-schooler and my dad dragging me out of the hospital wing crying because I didn't want to leave him, I remember seeing a wildfire on the way home one time and crying because I'd never seen something like that in real life before, I remember playing Battlefront 2 on a PS2 set up in the recreation room with a super cool boy that I never saw again, and I remember the first day I visited my brother while we played on his new Darth Vader PSP and tested out that monster-catching game (whatever it was called) with the PSP camera
You only get one life, no one has a right to take your choice away, no matter if it "seems" wrong
I mean, it's a fictional drama, but even so. Kids have no sense of their own mortality--she'll get over it when she realizes she could never have lived out her dreams in a casket.
Hey uhh no.. we don't claim this one 👋
@@urnangeiwym
But now she can’t live out her dream and has to live with that and be miserable. Also, don’t downplay a kid’s feeling, that’s shitty parenting. Many kids have much better morality than a lot of adults.
@@omegapocalypse3648 they’re talking about mortality not morality, and welp, gotta find another dream, yeah there can be regrets, but the most regret would come from not being able to live a life. It sucks but that’s what life is, the commenter is saying that she would probably get pass those regrets as she lives on.
@@glassman5967Assuming she doesn't commit suicide.
Regardless, the doctor stepped over a line, broke an oath and ultimately has opened the hospital up to several lawsuits
A doctor that dictates their will upon the patient, is not a good doctor, even if it’s gonna save a life, not everyone wants saving, it’s their life and their call
Tho I get the sentiment, there are plenty of TV doctors that constantly break their oath and almost never get punished for violating someone’s rights, even when it’s not a life saving medical situation, they always make calls, whenever the patient tells them “no”
They no longer consent to whatever you have done or will do
She may have lived but she didn’t want to, not at the time, and forced her to spend years being debilitated forever
The doctor does not make the call, the parents do here and they made their call, I honestly would have had the parents be the one to make the tough call, the doctor never should do this type of stuff
I believe she should have lived, I just wish the parents made the choice and not the cliché “I’m the doctor and I make the choice, not you!” Where they try to spin it as a moral story every time
Yes the girl should live and be treated, it just needed to be done through the parents
The answer is NOT to force a patient into a HEART ATTACK and RISKING THEIR LIFE ANYWAYS just to force an operation on the person
Not only that, but the girl then has to wake up and with no prep, finds out about it all and her arm missing, giving her stress induced trauma for her whole life, on top of now being disabled against her will
Ultimately turning her more angry at the world, ruining her relationship with her parents, shutting herself from her friends and not being able to follow her passion like she wants
Which can lead to doubt in herself and eventually depression and possibly suicidal thoughts
I know this is a dumb show, and I’m making assumptions towards the end, but it’s not exactly a far off point to make
There is a reason these rules exist IRL
The parents signed it was not the doctors will
@@quartzskull8772 the parents signed to give their daughter a Heart attack intentionally?
From what I’ve seen here, the parents agreed with their daughter, then the doctor gave the daughter a heart track to force the amputation procedure against their combined wishes
If what you say is true, that’s a ton of context that is missing from this video
@@bubbakjw no to remove her arm, is that not what you were talking about cause I didn't care enough to read through your essay
@@quartzskull8772 if you didn’t care to read my context then you shouldn’t have bothered responding if you didn’t care enough bout the subject?
I get I made a long post but that was to dissect what I just saw, I get people have issues with reading on the internet and nobody has the time of day to read anymore
But my point was about the doctor FORCING a situation on the patient and forcing the parents to change their mind by giving their daughter the heart attack
Because the overall problem is the doctor violated people’s rights, risking their lives to try and save them, going against the patients will and of course malpractice
TV doctors are always doing this stuff, with no consequences
Anyone that thinks this was the wrong choice is an entitled child that doesn't know anything about life.
Does this Movie/Series have any Name!??
House M.D.
@@Castle_Games Look how silly I am, Because I am currently watching "House M.D" and I have just reached to Season-4 of "House M.D" Yet I haven't seen that female doctor telling patient's parents to amputate her arm but then I saw a glimpse of Dr. Chase, Dr. Foreman, Dr. Taub and Thirteen to confirm that It is a Short Clip of "House M.D". 🤦♂️🤦♂️😁😅
@ethanhunt7651 Yeah, this is season 7 or 8 can't remember which
I don't know, but it should be called Hospital with Unreasonably Attractive Doctors
@@ethanhunt7651 Damn, bro got an episode spoilee
People who agree with the parents just don’t get it. Going against someone’s wishes to save your own sorrows is extremely selfish.
The hell are you talking about? 🤨 It’s called being a parent. She a minor. Children make decisions that are well, childish, and without foresight hence the need for a parent’s sign off.
She was worried about a record while her parents who love her were trying to save her life from cancer.
I couldn’t allow my parents to live with the fact they could have prevented my death yet chose to give into my childish desires instead. Get perspective.
No it doesn't work like that, life is to live it, not to waste it in just one goal like a "record", Life is precious and challenges are along the road, we have to be wise in order to make the proper decisions. SImple as that.
Series name?
I can’t believe so many people are agreeing with this decision. This is horrific. Can you imagine going unconscious waking up and they cut your arm off? Even when you’re a child, you have rights to a certain degree of medical autonomy and this violates that and that doctor for doing what she did tricking the girl into having her arm amputated when she she didn’t not only her, but her mother’s will that is straight up illegal and she should be in prison for that. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to do the first and then doing the amputation. You can’t amputate your arm. It’s a severely mentally taxing thing. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to do one last thing with ypirnarm before having it amputated. Healing from something that traumatic is going to be so much harder, considering it was done against your will
iirc, the problem was if she lost the arm now, she'd live, and if she lost the arm later-- well, she wouldn't have to lose the arm later cause she'd have already been dead. Not really much of an option there :\
It was the sneaky doctor artificially causing the OR in order to impose her own opinion.
She seems to forget the fact there's something called a bionic arm
regardless, being an amputee can come with a lifetime of chronic pain. also even with the best prosthetics there may be issues with the residual limb that require revision surgery, or breaks from the prosthetic
The problem i got with this is like people think they now beter what is good for you, then yourself.
What would she even do with the record thing if she died midway or immediately after?
Wich season and episode, please?
Imagine the reaction if it was a teenage boy... lmao
NOO THIS IS THE HAND I JACK OFF WITH!! 😰😰😰
This would be such a massive lawsuit.
No it wouldn't. She was a minor, the parents consented. Even when he said she will do what she is gonna do with or without me, the parent signature talk overiding that tells me she was a minor. Having to talk her mother into it also tells me that she was a minor. Even if she wasn't, she had a medical emergency requiring surgery giving them the right to make emergency decisions for her. The discovery of the spread of cancer to the lymph node during that surgery changed the amputation need to emergent making it their choice. No court would side with the minor If she tried to sue her parents either, as they were choosing to save her life. The doctor said if they had left the arm during the surgery and let her sail she would have died. This is because they found cancer in a lymph node during her surgery meaning it was spreading fast, she didn't have time to wait anymore. No court would say parents should have let their child die for a record. Especially since there was no guarantee she even would have broken the record. One day of unexpected bad weather could have ruined that for her. Speaking as a RN btw.
Nope, she was a minor and the parents had full authorization to make the decision.
While the Acolyte didn’t do it well, Positive corruption arcs have happened. The Jedi Code is definitely restrictive enough for some to come out better even if they’ve become corrupted, if only because they can finally see its flaws and grow for them.
Ashara from the Old republic game is great example of this. She was undeniably corrupted, but also came out an better person for it.
Doctor: "We're going to have to amputate your arm."
Patient: "Will I still have time to break the record?"
Doctor: "Your life is more important."
(Minutes later)
Patient: "WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED!? WHY IS MY ARM GONE!? THAT RECORD WAS EVERYTHING!!"
Doctor: 😑
“How about we take the other arm then too?”
Right to personal autonomy equals malpractice lawsuit
Not for a minor
@@jonathanwilliams1065okay, your 16, your slightly older sibling is dying and needs a kidney, you only have one kidney that is healthy and perfectly matches your sibling. your parents decide for you that you will give up your kidney at the cost of your health meaning once you donate the kidney you will have severe health issues for the rest of your life. Now tell me, should minors have bodily autonomy?
(btw not saying this to be snarky or malicious. just a what if)
@@kiwiokeefe losing a single kidney won’t give you severe health issues
My statement though was not saying they shouldn’t but rather that they don’t
@@kiwiokeefe if you only have one healthy kidney, the hospital would never take the only healthy kidney you have, no matter what the parents want
"So, you wouldn't let the fresh coffin go to waste then?"
This is why children need someone who really cares about their long term health overlooking their medical choices. Its sad she was angry, but she clearly did not understand.
You realize some are perfectly willing to give their lives for their passion? That does not mean they are being stupid, it means they have something that is important to them. And others have no right to dictate what that is.
@@Morten_Storvik children do not have the brain development to fully grasp long term consequences. This is known. Your comment is ignorant.
@@Morten_Storvikyea but she is still young? I love sky diving but I'm not gonna jump out of a plane without a parachute. Here family is obviously there because she "needed" concent. But by all means tell us how you'd sacrifice your child even when they're careers was already over.
I think Im not in the majority here, but id rather be dead having accomplished my dreams over living in a broken body.
Would you let the most beloved one in your life to die trying to set a record? Imagine they are gone. Because you accepted to not save their life.
@@Izabela-ek5nh I'm talking about me tf 💀 It's my life I can do what I want with it
@@ya_dude_himself not if your a minor 💀
@@entityofanimations3952 good thing I'm in my 20s then
"We love you but we love ourselves more."
Why is the word, "died" bleeped out? When did that become a four-letter word? :D
Died is a four letter word-
I would have k word myself so fast after this. It’s my decision, not my parents
I feel you girl. I’d probably be mad that the extreme was the only choice to give me a chance at survival. However, I don’t want my end to be out of pride; I’d rather live life to the fullest and even if there are major bumps on the road I will overcome them one step at a time
What was this series, please let me know.
House m.d.
Ah I should have guessed I've got the boxset thanks
This is one of the reasons why I ain't having kids
No, I don’t know if it would’ve changed anything but if they let her go do her record would that put her life at risk if it was like a day or two because if it wasn’t gonna change anything I would’ve let her go do her thing and then come back and do the surgery But if it was like a life or death situation then I’m sorry. Yeah she hates her parents right now, but she’s gonna get over it and you know what maybe next year if she practices really hard maybe she could still break that record with one arm and maybe by then she’ll have, a prosthetic and she’ll beat that with only one arm
Life is more important than records. Don't you think that you can achieve a bunch of other record if you still alive than die with just one record?
…what was the record for?
The only one I can think of would be track… which is a LEG thing.
What records require arms?
I know she’s ungrateful in the moment! But it’s better she could survived! Plus eventually if she wants, they can get her a prosthetic arm to replace the arm she had to lose.
Prosthesis aren't perfect, and amputations can have medical consequences that go on for years, if not the rest of your life.
Also, if they were going to override her choice going the "she's a minor" route, they should have told her before she went under, so that she wouldn't have been blindsided. She's never going to trust her parents again, not fully.
@@astrinymris9953 Yeah. Her parents should have made it clear to her why they want to do it before she went into surgery. She was complaining about not being able to do some competition afterwards. Yet the doctor clearly said she would have died if they wait until after the competition.
She was full right to be angry! It’s one Hell of a change! Yet hopefully she could realize that competition wasn’t worth dying for if she kept her cancer arm. I think she would need to attend plenty of therapy for the change. Especially if that was her dominant hand she lost! But sadly cancer doesn’t care about who it effects and just destroys them if not treated.
The parents will have to live with their daughter having trust issues. Hell, she might even developed a trust issue with medical people for doing it to her. But I can’t imagine wanting to die after some kind of competition when I known I could have gotten rid of the cancer arm earlier and survived.
Many famous sailors lost a limb
Died is NOT a bad word! You better stop cutting off words that are not even bad words!
I mean, if she preferred death, then… 🤷♂️
Technoblade :(
Girl calm down your like future gohan be proud
No just let me go
what tv show?
Now miss girl, how would even be able to beat that record if you're DEAD???
The doctor needs to lose her license and be sent to jail. it is the patients right to decide for herself which is better quality or quantity of life.
Well, if she was of age, then it would’ve been her decision. But since she wasn’t, it was up to her parents. Nothing you can really do about that.
@@FaysalIsGoated No, but seriously. The doctor gave the patient a drug in the IV to make it appear she was dying right then. Just to get the parents to agree.
Right from the start of the episode she had already made the decision for the patient. Was just a matter of getting the non-willing parent to consent.
How unethical of her.
That’s like a free popular UA-cam channel if you get a prosthetic arm
What *Was* that record actually in the 1st place 🤔💬???
I can understand why the girl was upset
I dont want kids when i grow up but if i somehow do im going to do anything to protect them and keep them alive
That’s great and all, but also treat them as an individual with their own choices and values.
Just horrible regardless
If this was my daughter and she freaked out like this after nearly dying I'd do the tough love "stfu, you're alive and loved. Are you really, as a teenager just beginning their life, going to lay their and say you'd rather have a pointless death? Did I raise you to be this careless and clueless? There are many dreams and opportunities to do what you want and love but you can't fulfill those if you're dead"
Sometimes you have to hit heavy and be a bit callus for someone who is so dense and emotional, to snap back to rationalism and then once they do, then you can shower them with love and support.
Seen this happen, it's all about psychology. Teenagers think and feel differently and respond better when you push them unlike children who need calm support and reassurance.
Be hard on a teen with reason and logic but then get on an equal level, be calm and explain with support, love and reassurance.
Prothesis has come a long way, and there's a lot of athletes who are amputees and still competing
Можно ж было Юлю Началову спасти. Отрезали бы палец, и всё. В итоге- испугалась, и дочь уже 5 лет без матери.
The way they were talking about it, she wouldn't have gotten that record either way.
Can you imgine waking up without a limb when you went into an entirely different surgery?
They cut off her arm.
Let's fake a medical issue so I can do what I want, because im a doctor. Congratulations, you played God now. Not a good way to build trust.
Nah, Hope my parents Dont sign off some life alternative doctor hog wash