Oh look, I found the oopsie doopsie net, it catches all the comments about oversights and math errors I may have made. And before you take this super seriously, know that I didn't.
Not to mention there's an entire landscape in the background, including a sun, moon and stars. One could even use the parallax to calculate how far the background is from the player.
And don't forget the absolute best, most logical and relevant argument: It's called a Shadow Orb not a Shadow circle (On a more serious note the most recent box art is also 3D)
Steve in glowing netherite armour: *hits a light saber trick with his glowing sword* Terrarian in a god suit: *pulls 18 swords out of one like fucking gambit*
Terrarian can win in survival mod. Will creative mod they both will respawn all the time creating tie. But with mods Steve will win. Cause there are lots of overpowered mods compared to terrarian's
@@NyloN-YT Players only damage each other in multiplayer. Besides content creators no one plays multiplayer hardcore. Steve and the Terrarian probably won't battle just for content.
Spiders have variations even within their games so it's harder to do that, and skeletons do damage immensely differently, and in terraria there is like a dozen different skeleton types.
@@Splatoonspyro okay but there's a lot of different zombie sprites too? ice zombie is a different mob if you're gonna be nitpicky. op's point still stands
Mostly they work very different. Skeletons use bows in minecraft, the slimes in terraria are a: smaller and b: don't split like they do in minecraft and c: have very diffrent uses with their drops, and spiders in minecraft are not even hostile, their neutral. The zombie is basically the same, being a melee attacker that sometimes holds weopons that it can drop.
I always interpreted Terraria's 2D nature as an artistic depiction of the world for the sake of the game rather than actually being 2D in universe, as such each block would be 2 x 2 x 2ft significantly changing the strength calculations
@@Shadows_price Wait! If we look at it in a technical standpoint, water only flows from the very top of your world to the very bottom, aka Bedrock. Does water flow into Minecraft's Void?
@@flynneugene2675 I believe it says it in the tips when your loading in. Also terraria has lots of Easter eggs like in the Halloween bags where you can get the creeper costume.
@@flynneugene2675Idk how it works in console but if you see the name of the Terraria .exe when you boot up the game, it can be lots of things, including "Also try Minecraft"
OBJECTION: the dryad becomes 3D when going to the world of dungeon defenders 2, and the tavernkeep and old ones army becomes 2D when going to terraria, so it stands to reason that the terrarian would become 3D or steve would become 2D when going to a setting where they would fight
HOLD IT: That is only true as long as we assume that characters actually change at all. It is still possible that terraria is simply being percieved by the player as 2d, and is actually more complicated than that. That would explain why 3d entities from DD2 do not die instantly after their arrival in terraria. What if the characters do not actually change, and the only difference is our point of view. Your evidence is not incriminating enough.
@@hero-bo7qc Not really flat, Canonically the creatures and monsters come from the background, that's why the game says to build walls, Canonically the world of Terraria is not bi-dimensional.
honestly steve is rlly strong even in survival but if ur talking abyt creative mode then steve just solo's easily dude moves at the speed of light and can carry inf items
The Terrarian world is canonically 3d, so all the calculations here make it seem like Steve is closer than he is in reality. The Terrarian is easily killing Steve.
My main problem with the first part is that the terrarian world DOES exist on a 3d plain, we just view it as 2d, since the background and wall layers exist, i would have used the same rules from the minecraft calculations, where a block in terraria is a cube with every side being the same
Agree, also, in terraria you can place golden bars (: And that means that size of the bar is 2ft x 2ft x Z axis size. So if its a cube it will be heavier than minecraft gold probably (maybe not, i didnt bother calculating, but i believe it should be heavier)
@@R3verse301 i agree that the terrarian can obvioulsy carry more but he decided to use gold because minecraft doesnt have platinum and it would be unfair on steve
Calculating the gold bars with paper thickness is so bizarre lmao Why wouldn't you just consider the width of the block to be the same as its height in 2 dimensions?
I think the community got it wrong by measuring their strength by their inventory. It doesn't matter how much gold they can carry if both of them can get killed by a single slime within 30 seconds and they both need an axe to properly cut down a tree. The only way to measure their power is by the strongest enemy they can defeat and the amount of damage they can resist. 😅
in that case you could call it a stalemate i guess lol the terrarian can easily tank say the moon lord with the right gear, and a full prot 4 netherite armored steve with a beacon and/or gapples can tank pretty much everything in his game
@@drakewahl7609 no, I meant the fact that probably, Steve, after seeing how hard the boss in terraria are, it would probably trick a PTSD episode in him about the bedrock wither... That fight is really traumatic, especially if you are a java player...
@@onserutiri4359yeah, but it’s made of gold, which is in both universes. along with chests and the iron needed to make a chest in terraria. it would work as an argument.
By just examining the gold bar you could find that the terraria world isn’t paper thin cause it’s multiple times as long as it is wide and it’s shown when placed to be a full block wide
look wat chatgpt says: is terraria 2d game? ChatGPT Yes, Terraria is a 2D sandbox game developed by Re-Logic. It features a pixelated art style and gameplay that revolves around exploration, building, crafting, and combat within a 2D world. Players can mine resources, fight various enemies and bosses, and interact with NPCs in a side-scrolling environment. but isnt it canonically 3d? ChatGPT Terraria is primarily a 2D game, where gameplay and graphics are presented in a two-dimensional space. However, there have been discussions and plans for a potential sequel, Terraria: Otherworld, which was intended to have a 2.5D graphical style, blending elements of 2D and 3D. This sequel was originally announced but later cancelled due to development challenges. As of my last update, Terraria remains a 2D game in its canonical form.
@@egegeyyeyey first of all, using chatgpt as your argument is taking an instant hilariously bad L. it's going to know _less_ than I could after a quick google search and sometimes intentionally lies, and will even admit it can lie. it's a LLM, so its responses aren't some supergenius objective fact, just a machine trying to replicate how a human's response would sound. secondly, it's ignoring your question and talking about the art style, both times, so it's literally not addressing the question correctly
@egegeyyeyey A) You're using chatgpt as an argument. Chatgpt isn't an omniscient source of information, it just uses information presented to it (whether or not that information is meant as a joke), and uses it to come up with a response. There's an entire meme about how the GoogleAI bot gives VERY misleading information. B) It's clearly talking about it's gameplay, and got confused by the word, "canon." "2D game in its canonical form" makes no sense, as the canon of Terraria isn't noted to literally be a game (a la Wreck it Wralph.) You can tell by how it says "2.5D," which isn't an actual dimensional classification in any form of mathematics, it's just a term used to describe a game design phenomenon.
@@Throarbin FYM you don't care about the canon? That's like saying you don't care about the taste of food, or about the reason for a war. If you disregard the canon, you might as well say "Steve wins because I said so"
@@randomuser.5356 Canon has nothing to do with these calculations at all. Did you even watch the video??? In MC cannon it is heavily implied that Steve is the descendant of an ancient builder people that created great civilizational monuments but also world ending destructive monsters (Wither) to the point they had to build gateways to new dimensions to escape (End, Nether). Thus, if push comes to shove it is not inherently illogical to think that Steve may also possess the ability to create similar world ending destructive monsters or dimension hop (a stretch but you see the point). In Terraria cannon, the player literally defeats a GOD. Factoring the cannon of either of these series into the debate complicates it astronomically while not adding any fun to it. This is why the video only focuses on comparable gameplay aspects between each story. Your last argument is literally a strawman of an angry Terraria fan that the video wasn't simply 10 mins of just delving into the game lore to find which one of these characters is more powerful in their cannon. I agree that the Terrarian wins against Steve (easy too), but I know if this video was just about comparing cannon, then I would not stay because that is completely subjective rankings of power.
ok but like, how is Steve even supposed to hit the terrarian? the terrarian can fly infinitely, teleport wherever they want with the rod of harmony, and has a million different projectile weapons at their disposal so they never even have to get within range of Steve's dinky sword to attack
Me and a friend ran the calculations to figure out the energy output of a knockback 255 sword because it launched things at mach 7.46 in 1/20th of a second (one tick) and we just had to find the heaviest mob possible and do the math. The heaviest mob in the game (ignoring infinite riding shenanigans) is a camel carrying two players carrying full inventories of shulker boxes filled with stacks of enchanted golden apples (which were made with 8 gold block when they were craftable making them 8X heavier than gold blocks) and the energy needed to accelerate that much mass to mach 7.46 in 1/20th of a second is 21 Megatons of TNT, or 42% the yield of Tsar Bomba.
@@randomuser.5356what if there’s a black hole in that galaxy(not like black holes are in very galaxy) (just kidding they are) IT WOULD DESTROY EVRYTHING Including the one holding the nebula weapons💀
@@EvanHarjo-p1c our current understanding of the universe is based on the assumption that information cannot be destroyed. Based on this, it is believed that Black Holes dont destroy anything that falls into them, but they store the information. Theoretically when you have complete controll over all the matter and energy an object is made of, you can recreate it with the particles it was made of. So when one would find a way to overcome the massive gravitational force of a black hole, yít should be possible to recreate everything that ever fell into it. Even after a black hole "burns out" it should be possible to recover all the information, since black holes slowly loose mass via Hawking Radiation that escapes the event horizon.
The gold math done for terrarian is killing me, the terraria world is canonically 3D, we just view it from a 2D perspective Edit: also I think that overall the math and comparisons could be done much better Edit 2: btw since this comment got so popular, I’m gonna say this just in case, no hate to throarbin or anyone else in the replies please and thank you.
Yeah. Just because we see it in 2D it doesn't mean it's really 2D (or that we can't make it 3D, I mean we already know the lenght and height of a Terraria block). BTW Minecraft is 2D too through our monitors.
"No assumptions in this video" Bro proceeds to make Terraria literally flat despite knowing the blocks are 2 feet in all directions and it would be making no sense whatsoever, just for the sake to lower the Terrarians sheer power and make the video less 1-dimensional. Ironic.
Honestly, hes just tryna give steve a chance for the whole bunch of whiny minecraft fans. Hes really just doing that because people would point it out a million times in the comments
theoretically i could beat goku bc he's just a drawing, but if i would actually fight HIM, id be gone in just a blink of an eye. same thing with steve and terrarian, steve being me and terrarian being goku
@@Cibraste Oh yes, ignore the fact that steve can have 1,944 inventory slots with bundles and shulkers, and fill them all up with Beacon Blocks, so it will be 124,416 beacon blocks, each beacon block weights 10^24. or u could just get a minecraft water bucket, and u can fill infinite water bottles with water, so that means steve can hold infintie water, so infinite kilograms. or simply the Blue Ice.
Isn’t an inventory like a dimensional storage space because they can only hold 1 or 2 items in their hands at a time because if they really had that kind of strength then every attack would destroy the world
Well its the same thing when it comes to fictional movies, anime, comics and so forth. A lot of characters in those worlds have the power to eradicate universes but for the viewers/readers they are restricted because it would be boring to read or watch a character just breath and every foundation the story is written on to be destroyed. Plus, the Terrarian after destroying the Pillars has the power to destroy galaxies and even the universe since the moonlord’s existence threatens the universe in the lore
@ ok that’s fair lore and stuff like that is fine to judge their strength off of but what I’m saying is you can’t judge strength off of inventory capacity because it’s not them lifting that stuff it’s all in another dimension basically
@@dylanplays4449 it would make more sense thats its a dimensional pokect restricted by space since why can you only hold 36 bows but a few hundred 1M blocks they do shrink when you break them but still 64 of the smaller blocks should still take up more then 1 bows worth.
@@eslin2845You could calculate the damage by comparing max health, so if The Zenith deals 50k dps, it kills a person a hundred times per second. No weapon in Minecraft could ever reach that damage. Also the difference in agility and ranged attacks is insane, meaning Steve could not touch the Terrarian.
@@Jurajoxx The best comparaison would be the mace, who could *theorically* kill a person a hundred times over through an undiscosed ammount of time used to fly up and crash down
One thing I will say the terrarian isn’t 2d I’m 100% sure they are canonically 3D as in the background and things like walls clearly imply in cannon it’s a 3D word
@@Jauhoaddicti the reason why he's 2d in game play was because of limitations at the time, so he very much could but the game devs couldn't change the style at the time
they are, the collab with dungeon defenders, the dryad turns 3d, so canonically they are 3d and since they traveled to dungeon defenders, it shows they can indeed leave the 2d plane
I always imagined it as: Terrarian is the smart one, using a passive form of magic to store their countless wares and tank hits and preform feats that shouldn't be humanly possible. Steve is just a brute that uses raw physical strength for all that, hence why he can't hold as much stuff yet can punch a Zombie to death and break nearly any material with his bare hands, while the Terrarian absolutely needs tools.
Some time ago, Steve was officially depicted as the more crafty character, who brewed, traded, and did redstone. Alex was the miner and adventurer who makes progress, putting the mine in Minecraft. Though in the recent trial chambers trailer Steve was shown to be the most armed and prepared out of the whole group
@@nioc2971 "Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby" ahh comparison, then he tried justifying it by saying steve is a 3D being while the terrarian is 2D, which isn't even true lmao
@@iikoko2008 i mean it more on the technological side like steve is litterally a medieval knight wtf is he supossed to do against all the shit that the terrarian has isunfair on principal is not even about strenght or skill is about the nature of their worlds
12:52 that's not how percentages work. if a zombie hits for 10% of a terrarians health, and for 20% of steves health, that means that minecraft's zombies hit twice as hard (not 10 percent harder) as terraria's.
Even then one might look 'well steve is actually naturally more hardy but the terrarians zombies are also stronger' or other nonsense. Guy is trying to do things that dont really make sense here.
Do we assume that the characters have the same amount of health, just measured differently, in which case the zombies deal different amounts of damage? Or do we assume that the zombies deal roughly the same amount of damage, in which case the characters not only measure health differently, but also have different amounts of it?
Steve grabs unbreaking elytra, density V mace, loads of firework rockets, and a totem of undying. He flies as far as he can upwards and crashes back down on to the earth with the full might of the mace. He misses the hit and the terrarian instantly filets him with the Zenith
Rod of Harmony and rod of discord exist teleports away before the attack hits oh and master ninja gear black belt both dodge also we have to take into consideration that there is damage reduction from the solar flare armour set bonus with a solar flare shield also the frozen turtle shell with it if they’re low health which gives them even more damage reduction
I might not agree with some of the math you made, but I really like the approach you took for this matchup, by focusing mainly on game mechanics rather than statements and lore. Very fun and creative video!
with the logic you’re using to count the safe, avengers forge, and piggy bank you should be counting the ender chest for steve, as steve always accesses the same inventory through ender chests, even if he breaks one
There’s a difference, the piggy bank and safe Is comparable to the shucker box since it’s just straight up storage, the ender chest is more comparable to the void bag which both were excluded
The Ender Chest is clearly meant to be a magical item as you cant carry and store normal chests in your inventory - meanwhile a safe and piggybank, internal space aside, are mundane items
Usually when people compare percentages they treat them like normal numbers Like, when someone says they increase a 20% buff by 50% they usually mean they got it up to 70%, not increased it to 30%
@@starsilverinfinity This is just wrong. If you say that you increase a 20% buff by 50%, you get a 20x1.5=30%. If you say that you increase a 20% buff by 20 POINTS then you get 20+50=70%.
@@TheArtificer_ Yeah Im not saying your wrong, Im simply pointing out that people usually treat it as addition instead of multiplication when casually talking to one another
@@starsilverinfinitymy gripe with percents is people always treat them like units, when they're really just glorified ratios It's literally called "per cent" -> per hundred, it's a ratio of for the number of hundreds you're refering to has "An increase of 10%" in itself is ambiguous because it's not refering to anything Is it "an increase of 10% OF the mobs damage"? Is it "an increase of 10% OF the other percentage" Idk if I'm explaining it well but eitherway it annoys the hell out of me. I guess one could argue that the default "of" is literally just 1, since that's how you convert percent to decimal anyway, but thats not always the default "Increase 20% by 20%" Ok sure it's increased by = 0.4 = But it could also mean increased by = 0.24 = But because no one ever specifies it just leaves everything vague Math isn't supposed to be vague dammit
There is a big issue i found, both games judge hp at differant numbers. Thats like saying bob lifted more than jim because the weight bob lifted was measured in pounds while jims was kilos. Steve has 20 hp, yet is able to tank hits the terrarian at the start of the game cant, such as arrows and falling, things consistant in both games. Steve judging off relative is tougher than the terrarian. You could bring poison into effect and say poison in both games deals 1 dps, so that determines their hp, but both games have differant poison mechanics.
They also have different ends points, Steve achieving perfection after making it to hell. The terrarian making it to hell in 30 minutes then spending the next 10 hours of gameplay ascending to godhood and fighting an eldritch deity. Steve loses regardless of anything
Technically since Golden Thrones in Terraria are made up of 20 gold blocks and thrones can stack up to 9999 as well, you can multiply the Terrarians weight calculations by 20…
@@infinityc2859 Oh yeah well I get that based on his final calculations there is too large a gap, however I disagree with his calculations anyways, @Terrasteel has a more accurate calculation, where in the end he concluded that the the Terraria can hold nearly 8 times less so that they can’t win, however not longer after that video, the stack sizes for thrones went from 99, to 9999, bit yeah I don’t really agree with throarbin’s calculation based on the assumption that there isn’t a third dimension in the game, when in universe there is, it’s just that we have a 2d view.
@@dacrystalcreeper7300 Out of curiosity, what are the proposed dimensions of gold ore in terraria including a third dimension (since with a third dimension we still need a Z axis measurement)?
I agree. A lot seemed ignored, such as the terrarian crafting bars into things that also stack or Steve building anything in prep time instead of just acquiring items. However, Terrarian would still probably win ez.
@@SaboTheFish if we scaled their stats like HP and Damage to be comparable to each other It would be a much more fair fight. But ultimately, Minecraft is balanced around enemies having HP relative to you, and terraria is not. Steve has literally no chance unless he's controlled by a speed runner and the terrarian a casual
@@shirothefish9688even then if the speed runner is hit once then he is immediately dead with pretty much any weapon that the terrarian has, especially in hardmode.
12:54 I wouldn't say this is how it works since we're not taking health percentages into account for anything else here, just damage numbers. A Minecraft zombie does 4 damage, while a Terraria zombie does 50; assuming these are the same kind of creature exerting the same kind of force, this means that one point of Minecraft damage is equal to 12.5 points of Terraria damage. This divides the Terrarian's damage against Steve by 12.5, and multiplies Steve's damage against the Terrarian by 12.5 as well. Defensively, this means without resistance Steve is only taking about 36 damage per second, or 71.64/12.5 = 5.73 damage per second. In Bedrock Edition, the enchanted golden apple grants Regeneration 5, which lets Steve regenerate 6.67 health every second, rendering him unkillable. Meanwhile in terms of offensive capability, 13.13 damage per swing times 12.5 is equal to 164.125 damage per hit, which is more than capable of surmounting the Solar Armor's base defense, and likely capable of exceeding maximum possible defense when combined with the strength effect. I should also mention that when damage is dealt in PvP in Terraria, it only gives the Terrarian 0.13 seconds of invulnerability - which, I imagine, probably counts for this circumstance. While it isn't impossible for the Terrarian to win, it's certainly not a curbstomp in the other direction after correcting for the egregious difference in power described by the two damage numbers.
Actually it's even worse, because according to the Minecraft wiki he's wrong. Minecraft zombies *don't* deal 4 damage, they deal *three*. (On Normal Mode) Given that, one Minecraft Damage is equivalent to around 16.6 terraria damage. This divides the damage dealt by the Terrarian down to 26.9 DPS from 447. (or 36 from your calculation) Still enough to kill Steve in a second, but he'd have a half second to act after surviving the first hit. Including the later Resistance buff, 71.64 would become about 4.3 damage a second, which while distinctly bad given the fully kitted out armour, would absolutely be livable with a Golden Apple or the occasionally splash potions of healing. If we combine that with a potion of strength on top of the assumed 13.13 damage of the netherite sword, 15.13 * 16.6 = 251.1 damage per swing, over 78 armour. That's 173 damage. With this information, Steve would beat the Terrarian's 500 health in just three attacks, or about 1.875 seconds assuming optimal input. The highest possible defense for the Terrarian I've seen online is 155, but even with that- Steve would still deal 96.1 damage per hit. That's 6 total hits, or almost four (3.75) seconds at optimal play. So the Terrarian would win in basic endgame gear, but when you include potions and max optimal abilities, Steve would win-Or it's just generally a bit of a tossup. Either could win depending on circumstances.
@@Irate_Beau Betsy, Wyvern, Phantasm Dragon and Frost Hydra exist... But yeah, we need more dragons in Terraria. But if the dev really wants to add more of them.
This is insane. I really don't care if people try to have a casual discussion just for fun but once you bring in all the calculations its not really for "fun" anymore. So here's every critique I found. 1:59 - Terraria's canon world size extends beyond both oceans, in a large or small world the playable space of the world increases but does not signifigantly affect what would be the "canon" size of the world. 2:12 - There is no reason to make gold the standard unit of measurement, both games have items which can be at least partially accounted for by real-world materials that weigh more than gold. 2:18 - Netherite is one of the afformentioned items from Minecraft that DOES weigh more 2:25 - You don't have to use just ores, for example the throne is one such item that is more dense than gold per inventory slot. 2:45 - The crafting slots should not count, they are most likely for gameplay purposes as when you close the inventory they are dropped. If you were going to count this, then you should also count the cursor slot. 4:34 - These items clearly do not physically require the Terrarian to carry the stored items. Each copy of the item opens the same inventory, which is physically impossible unless it worked more like Void Bags / Ender Chests as opposed to Shulker Boxes. 6:48 - Why would you assume this? The blocks we are talking about are all square. Just multiply by the side length to make it a 3D cube. The Terraria world is not canonically 2D. 7:51 - You can't say that for sure because the other factor to the amount of energy (the indicator of strength) is the time over which the force is asserted, which has been completely ignored. 9:49 - There is no comparison between both measures of damage, and plus both characters have unclear health amounts as well. Since we're considering "prep-time," both characters can build devices and traps that can deal more damage than themselves. More if you count common glitches. 10:21 - This is completely mathematically wrong. 10:27 - There is no way to compare the measures of damage, the enemies in both games vary greatly and are in no way comparable. 11:23 - This is the last time I'm gonna bring it up, you can't just mix-match all the mechanics around, these things are NOT COMPARABLE. 11:52 - Again, but for health. 12:15 - Not true, multiple people in the comments have brought up Skeletons, Slimes, Spiders and possibly more. 12:17 - Zombies are fictional, meaning there is no way 12:19 - It's totally possible for one character to have more physical "health" than another, this is assuming they have the same amount, which is probably wrong. 12:26 - The difficulty options affect a lot of damage calculations for Terraria, and plus the "standard" mode of Terraria is Classic. This should have at least been addressed. 12:50 - It could be less if you consider absorption from things like Golden Apples. 12:55 - No, just no. 13:02 - After all the calculations we're gonna ignore them now? 13:45 - Although we can't be sure it would work, the Terrarian has the Ahnk accesories which would prevent weakness as not only does it explicitly prevent weakness, it is meant to be the "cure-all" for debuffs. 14:24 - There's no way. 15:05 - Why would the Terrarian think this? It is completely beyond their comprehension. They have prep time but not a briefing about their opponent. 16:51 - Absolutely insane. You can't just waste people's time by presenting this as a more in-depth analysis and then trying to change the theme and THEN laughing about how the Terrarian would win with no real evidence (even if I agree.) This is the first video that has really annoyed me and I realize I probably shouldn't have wasted my time writing this comment but I'm just gonna leave it at that since I already wrote it.
This whole video is insane after he tries to use gold as measurement. Terrarian slays actual GODS. Steve kills some flying Withering Zmey Gorynich looking mf with difficulty.
I dont think the world size of terraria changes the actualy "planet". It seems pretty heavily implied that the world we play in is only an island on a planet, so world size would only change the size of that island
The lore explanation is that every terraria world is canonically it's own world, living in balance between light and dark, meaning there is a theoretically infinite amount of everything that exists in any Terraria World in just the main planet (assuming worlds aren't separate planets)
@@Mr.Duston...they still are?? The world the 2d characters are in is still 3d, as they can move around in all directions. This does not help your point at all lol, just because something is drawn with 2d techniques doesn't make that world itself 2d
Instant Harming would still be reduced by the Terrarian's worm scarf, beetle endurance, and more. Plus good luck to Steve hitting a guy with infinite flight and teleportation using gravity affected potions and arrows
Just because terraria is a 2d game doesn’t mean it’s a 2d universe. Otherwise there wouldn’t be a background/walls/furniture etc… Or do you think super Mario magically world hopped from a 2d universe to a 3d one?
Yeah, Classic Sonic would be a better comparison. He didn't magically just become 3D. Or the Metroid games, or Celeste, or the Ori games, or the early Street Fighter games... The "Terrarian 2D" logic just doesn't fit. You don't assume common game design choices are literal unless told so.
@@nestlecritThe Ori games being here doesn’t make sense. I’m pretty sure both games used 3D models, it’s just that the world is 2D art, that still looks very 3D.
@@CoobunsBoogerwhistle Steve: I only need to dig 3 blocks of dirt and 2 buckets of water to make a infinite sourse of it! Terrarian: I only need 1 bucket of water (lava or honey) and three blocks in the air to drown the world! (not counting the infinite liquid buckets) PS: I probably do have a Terraria bias 😂
@@ThroarbinAssuming you can place a copper coin and it takes up the place of a block, you can then find its weight and multiply that by 1,000,000 to find one platinum.
@@ThroarbinI remember watching a UA-cam short where a dude explained how much 1 platinum coin weighs. He did some long ass math calculations so we assume he's right.
@@Throarbin according to Terrasteel, if a platinum coin is made up of 1,000,000 copper coins it would be 350 million kgs, but if you purely go off the size of the plat coin (according to Terrasteel's coin gun video) it would be around 1,130 kg per coin
That's just pretty much all power scaling because power scaling is inherently a silly thing. I don't inherently think all power scaling is bad it's just that most people take it WAY to seriously and have this stupid "my show/game is better than yours because this character can lift 198288e tonnes" attitude. There are very few pieces of media where character are actually even remotely consistent so although it can be fun to find all these insane feats of strength and speed these characters are usually being calculated as way more powerful than actually intended by their creators and it's not as if it actually matters who the strongest person is anyway. sorry for the stupid rant. That's just how I feel about things, lol.
Lifting feats for the both Steve and the Terrarian are irrelevant since both of them have items that constitute them having infinite lifting strength. Even not using those items, it seems disingenuous to count the shulker boxes for Steve but not the Terrarian's alternate forms of storage on the basis of them being "magical" which not only makes no sense for things like the piggy bank or safe, there's nothing that states that the shulker boxes aren't "magical". It's why I hate people trying to use the Steve lifting argument. Which isn't even accounting for the fact that the inventory is a gameplay mechanic, not an actual feat, which is why inventories are almost never used for powerscaling. Same with the "Terraria is a 2d world so Terrarian couldn't hurt Steve as he could just move to the side" when the Terrarian world in lore is fully 3D(as you can see by the backgrounds and monsters flying/moving in them), it's just that the game plays and uses a 2D artstyle as a design choice. I especially hate that argument since the Steve vs Terrarian matchup is the only matchup I see where people are constantly trying to use that argument despite it making absolutely no sense.
Jes, but the ender chest in Minecraft also wasn't counted. You could surely find lots of other ways to store Items - propably in both games - but not all of them can be counted. Althought I have to admit that I don't know Terreria well enough to really prove my point here. But it seems that you can in both games carry lots of additionel stuff in other gamemodes, like he mentioned. And if you say that the characters are eqally strong in all gamemodes, you would have to count these weights. I think we can just agree that there are many different ways for both of them to kill each other, and many more are to come. So it is propaly impossible to protect against all of them.
1. Bunch of the terraria swords would just snipe Steve, its not even the damage, the range from projectiles would do it 2. Limiting the Terrarian to 2d is just giving Steve too many dumb advantages, plus the moon lord is in the back. Meaning its just a design choice. 3. wings. Terrarian can dodge more
@@AA-sw5pbthe argument with the elytra is slightly true but it's proven in terraria that the wings far more accurate and cooperative allowing the terraria to move swiftly in a 3d space while the elytra you have to face where to fly
@@AA-sw5pb inner tube glitch also, speed measurement is different between games and terrarian can reach a world border within seconds when prepped properly steve cant even reach his border within half an hour
@@starboi141even if Steve would lose, he could just log out before he died lol, or he could just chunk ban The Terrarian. Also a Minecraft rail gun is a thing along with Iron Golems (that can one shot Steve in hard mode)but since this comparison isn’t on hard mode for either, I won’t consider that. You also could argue that the Terrarian could one shot Steve before he logged out or did anything but Steve could use the vanilla technique from Minecraft 1.18 to get infinite hearts from the god Apple and golden apple glitch.
The Terrarian is at least somewhat of a good person, whereas Steve is closer to a psycopath. There isn't any world ending threat, he invades other dimensions for conquest. The Terrarian is a rather reluctant hero, it's more likely that the Terrarian would see Steve as an invader and another boss to fight.
@@KraNisOG "The Terrarian is at least somewhat of a good person" "Steve is closer to a psycopath" this makes no sense. many terraria players choose to play as a psychopath, many minecraft players choose to play as a hero
I find it so amusing that you had to nerf the terrarian so hard into the ground and yet he still cannot even die to Steve you’ve give so much benefits to
- In the Education Edition of Minecraft, there's a block called the Material Reducer which can convert Minecraft items into their component elements. It confirms that 1 gold block in Minecraft is 100% pure gold. - Terrasteel calculated that one Platinum Coin weighs around 1,138.8 kilograms, or the weight of a small car, if we count up all its pixels in its various sprites from the Coin Gun and when it's dropped on the ground (unlike other items, coins rotate around when dropped on the ground, meaning that they are 2.5D instead of 2D like most other Terraria items). He has an entire video dedicated to calculating this. However, he also made another video pointing out that you can use 100 copper coins to craft 1 silver coins, 100 silver coins to craft 1 gold coin, and 100 gold coins to craft 1 platinum coin. Aka, 1 platinum coin is equal to 1 million copper coins. Assuming that each platinum coin actually weighs as much as this many copper coins, 1 platinum coin weighs 348.9 million kilograms. And we can put coins in the 4 coin slots as well, as opposed to the items you used for measuring the Terrarian's lifting capacity. Not only does this allow the Terrarian to lift far more than Steve, it also directly translates to attack potency through the Coin Gun. - Full Protection 4 Netherite wouldn't even always give 96% damage reduction, because Armor Toughness exists. It's a mechanic in Minecraft that makes armor block less damage the more damage is being dealt. - Terrarian has the Thorns Potions, which reflects 100% of all melee damage taken by the Terrarian back to the attacker. Given how much more health the Terrarian has over Steve, not to mention Lifeforce Potions which boost the Terrarian's maximum HP to 600, this essentially shuts down all of Steve's melee attacks. Thorns Potions don't work in PvP, but that's only between multiple Terrarians, so I don't see why it wouldn't affect Steve. - The Terrarian's fire explosions from the Solar Flare armor have a limited AoE, so Steve could just use ranged weapons. Heck, we've already established that ranged weapons are his only hope at taking down the Terrarian due to Thorns Potions. - For the 2D Terrarian vs 3D Steve debate, Steve could theoretically have infinite prep time to set up redstone contraptions. He could just place down a thousand TNT around the Terrarian and explode them all at once, or something. However, the Terrarian could just fly up past Steve's block placement limit, and then stay there indefinitely using Gravitation Potions or Soaring Insignia + Celestial Starboard, so it's still a draw. - Also for the 2D Terrarian vs 3D Steve debate, you could say that Terrarian wins because Steve will eventually starve. - Steve has the Thorns enchantment, which reflects ALL forms of damage taken, not just melee damage like the Terrarian's thorns effects. However, it only deals around an average of 1.5 hearts of damage per hit. That's not a lot, and Terrarian could pretty easily outheal that. - Steve has Instant Harming Potions and Tipped Arrows of Instant Harming, which ignore defense. However, those potions and their respective Tipped Arrows are affected by gravity. Terrarian could easily dodge them with Celestial Starboard + Soaring Insignia + Rod of Harmony. Even then, percentage based damage reduction like Worm Scarf and Beetle Endurance would still reduce the damage of Instant Harming. - Terrarian can place blocks that Steve can't destroy such as Lizhard bricks while being able to destroy Steve's blocks from afar with Celebration MK 2 with Mini Nuke IIs. He can also place blocks in midair with Ice Rod, unlike Steve. And he can fast-forward time with the Enchanted Sundial/Moondial to skip past the Rain to negate the positive buffs Steve's Trident gets in the rain. - As seen with Piercing enchanted Crossbows, piercing attacks can go right through Minecraft shields. And the Terrarian has tons of piercing weapons. - The world of Terraria is 3D, as seen in the backgrounds that change depending on your biome. In the Forest, you can see mountains and trees in the distance, and in the Crimson, you can see giant eyeballs and skulls jutting out from the landscape. These backgrounds are clearly 3D. However, the Terrarian cannot move into the Z-Axis himself. - Terrarian could use a Hunter Potion to see Steve if Steve uses an Invisibility Potion. - Steve has the Wither debuff which could shut down the Terrarian's HP regen, but no reliable method of inflicting it. Since Potions of Decay and their respective Tipped Arrows are affected by gravity. Terrarian could easily dodge them with Celestial Starboard + Soaring Insignia + Rod of Harmony. He could also fly over Steve's Wither Roses and break the blocks Steve needs to place to summon the Wither from afar with the Celebration MK 2 with Mini Nuke IIs. - Terrarian could pretty easily hit Steve with debuffs such as Betsy's Curse, which reduces defense by 40, Acid Venom, which could deal 30 damage per second to Steve and remove his positive life regen, and Confused, which could reverse Steve's controls. Steve could drink Milk to remove them, but that takes a few precious seconds Terrarian could use to attack, and it would remove his positive buffs as well as his negative ones.
And Creative Mode is completely intangible to all kinds of attacks only thing that touches Steve is Fire,potion effects and Water in Creative mode form
@@irrelevanttroll3312there are many 'flamethrower' type weapons in terraria that deal very fast and large amounts of damage. Plus this whole thing is based on purely survival mode, cheats off.
@@rimnull5399 Damage doesn't matter just because creative mode is touchable by fire doesn't make him vulnerable to it he doesn't take dmg during it and also Steve can give himself fire resistance that can outlast any of terrarian's potion effect in Survival Steve can carry a cow through a leash which has infinite milk inside so infinite strength same Steve can use a glitch (although unethical) to gain infinite hearts
Now another way to think about this would be stuff such as, is if we didn't give the Terrarian interdimensional storage containers to measure strength and Steve got a chance to do what he does best and diversify his weapons. Both characters are capable of impressive feats. Both can fly. Both can build. Both can do impressive stuff. In terraria the player character is mostly limited to their own kit. Whilst In Minecraft, the player can do a lot more. Take explosives for example. The closest we can compare is "explosives" in terraria, vs MC's TNT block. According to the terraria wiki the explosives will destroy a circular radius of 10 tiles. If we assume that terraria is indeed a 3d space in lore, that would mean one explosive will destroy a radius of 20 feet in all directions, or 6.096 meters. (2 feet x 10 tiles). In Minecraft, according to the wiki, a TNT block's detonation radius is about 6.9 blocks. or about 7 meters rounded. I was actually a bit surprised to find out that both game's TNT is actually pretty close in terms of blast power. If we gave both characters prep time. We could assume both could theoretically build stuff to better combat the other. In this comparison, Steve has the advantage, since Minecraft has much more versatility in what the player can do. You can make railguns with arrows capable of one shotting a Minecraft warden. In Terraria terms, the Warden would be a really powerful mob (at least in pre-hardmode lol). The warden has about 250 hearts, if we consider both game's life system to be the same measurements. That would mean the warden has about 5000 health in terraria, (250 x 20, 20 being a single heart in terraria). This is more health then master mode Eye of Cthulhu, who is shy of that number, at 4641 HP. The warden can also deal much more damage. The warden's melee attack, in normal mode, does 15 hearts of damage in one swing. So in terraria that would be about 300 damage in a single swing. If we then factor in terraria's defense system, at a flat number. With the warden dealing 300 melee damage, and the player having a defense stat of 100 in expert mode. The warden will still do a hit of about 225 damage, or about 247.50 DPS. This falls short however if we consider the attack range of the warden to be just barely 1 mc block, the warden would have a range of only about 3 tiles. Then the warden's ranged attack would do "a lot damage" as well. Since the warden's ranged attack would only do 100 damage in expert mode. However, at 100 defense it would only do 1 damage. But on the other hand, the warden does have an maximum attack radius of 15 blocks, or 50 terraria tiles, which would be 10 tiles short of the edge of the screen. Now let's take this into consideration in Steve's armor. Like the video said, Minecraft Steve's full Netherite armor with Protection 4, takes about a 96% damage reduction. Against a warden, the thing only would do 2 hearts of damage in one hit. Or 40 damage. If we take the Zenith's BASE attack stat. (Not factoring in speed, or critical chance, or any other modifiers). A single Zenith hit would only do, 7.6 points of damage against Steve. Not even doing 1 heart of damage. Now could the Zenith still kill Steve. Yes. Since this isn't considering anything else. Now. With All accessories reforged to menacing, solar armor, and a legendary zenith, and having consumed a rage potion, a wrath potion, ale, an apple pie, a greater luck potion, and sake. A single swing did about 865 damage to a slime in a single hit. If we then reduced that number by Steve's 96% damage reduction. Steve would take 34.6 damage. Or under two hearts. And that's really interesting. Compared to each, everything above with the zenith actually would do LESS damage in one hit. Then a warden. That doesn't even consider the mace. Which would take 120 blocks of height to kill a warden in one hit. With an elytra and a flight duration 3 rocket. The player can travel a vertical height of somewhere between 76-96 or so blocks high. I'm gonna stop for now, since I've had my fill of testing, and calculating. But this was pretty fun to think about and figure out.
First of all your math converting Terraria's ingots to weight was a bit off. 0.075mm*2ft*2ft = 0.009842 feet cubed. which converting to the weight of gold is 1.901lbs per ore. *4 is 7.604lbs per ingot, that aside. I'll use this adjusted weight at the end for the Terraria 2D weight So, the 2d/3d thing is just a player perspective. If both were in the same location both would perceive each other as their native dimension. Which means if 4 gold ore makes 1 bar, and each ore is equal to 2 feet cubed. (2x2x2) or a volume of 8 cubic feet of gold, Knowing that 1 cubic foot is equal to 1188.6lbs, and it takes 8 of those to make a single ore, and four ore to make a bar. we can go (1188.6*8)*4= for the sum of 38,035.2lbs per bar. (this is because while steve's ore is 1:1 ore to ingot. terrarian is 4:1, volumetrically it takes up more space with no waste, suggesting that the ingots are denser) that aside taking his inventory. 168 which the number of slots you chose, multiplied by 9999 9999*168=1,679,832 We then take the sum of both results and multiply them together to get a total weight of 63,892,746,086.4lbs which is actually 21.19x higher than Steve's carry capacity. To make this even 'more' fair, we can also take Steve's carrying capacy and convert it to 2d. Gold blocks no longer being 1m*1m*1m, instead being 1m*1m*0.0.75 which is 0.00075m cubed so we can take the weight of gold (31.103g) and convert that with some quick math to a thick sheet of gold leaf weighing... 31.94kg or 70.41lbs. then we convert cube to ingot by dividing by 9 (70.41/9=7.823lbs) which we can further multiply by the number of total ingots you found possible for his inventory (637,632*7.823=4,988,195,136lbs) So to compare them Terrarian in 3D: 63,892,746,086.4lbs Steve in 3D: 3,014,527,138.56lbs Terrarian in 2D: 12,773,442.52lbs Steve in 2D: 4,988,195,136lbs I went back to check the numbers and for Steve's in 3D you were very close, I'm guessing you rounded down for many of your equations while I kept to the hundreds of a decimal. But from this math we can see that the Terrarian is roughly 21x stronger in sheer carry weight to Steve in a equal 3D setting, and a little over 2x (2.2x specifically) stronger than Steve in a 2D setting. This hurt to write. Because I deal with Metric. not these silly Imperial units. But I converted to Imperial specifically because that's what the video was done in.
@@adaphion "We're gonna assume that Terraria is somehow actually 2D so that we can show that even if they couldn't do damage, Steve can't do anything."
@@adaphionratio, the entire point was that the terrarian is so strong that even if they literally couldn't attack, steve can't win. it's advanced terraria glazing. also wdym "that Terraria being 2D as literally as possible"? you mean "we are gonna assume terraria being 2d is literal so we can downplay everything and glaze minecraft"? besides, they aren't even glazing minecraft anywhere, it's just decently plain facts. terrarian can't punch, so he loses in fist fight. steve is way too weak if terrarian pulls up with end game gear.
@@mishagaming1075 Nah... The terrarian LITERALLY carried a spear made OUT of stars, and + theres golden bricks, terrarian soloes Steve in all manners. Also, the game IS 3d, its just viewed in a 2d space
@@glitchzop2995i know that the game is 3d. also the stars were super small, so the calculation of weight would probably be different than actually carrying stars. also i don't know anything about golden bricks cause i never use decorative blocks, cool info i guess.
@@koolaidmansam8yearsago273 Also your comment history is just full of you spamming the same "Steve beats mid terrarian" phrase. Crazy oversight on your end lil bro.
16:36 i mean the terrarian can carry the void and like hundreds of thousands of solar fragments in his bags i think they're definitely stronger physically
@@irrelevanttroll3312 Outside of Story mode, there is no canonical way to create a command black. As far as we know, lore wise- it was a unique relic of a bygone era that Steve cannot canonically access. To deny the Terrarian their canonical 3D dimensionality, whilst giving Steve a dubiously canon at best God block is unfair.
@@Tuntor689 Fix: Minecraft Steve: beat the God of ender (the broken/vengedul heart of ender), can cheat death, can oneshot kill no matter HP unless cheating death, and many more Both are at the same level as the other
@@Harbin_07 First of all, Terrarian can face take an eldritch horror. Second, Terrarian can teleport. Third, the Terrarian has been seen to dodge light(empress of light attacks dodged by Terrarian with black belt, brain Cthulhu, or master ninja gear)
@@Harbin_07 I don't think you realise how absolutely one sided this is, to quote directly from the vsbattles wiki (the people who spend ungodly amounts of time researching this stuff) Steve's attack potency is city block level, the Terrarian's durability at the very start of the game is city block level+ (scaling from king slime), by the endgame he's dwarf star level. Simplifying all of those complicated terms, this basically means that Steve from Minecraft at full power is BARELY able to hurt the new game Terrarian, a post moonlord terrarian would absolutely obliterate Steve. And before you accuse me of glazing I greatly enjoy both games, I don't really have a favourite but I've been playing Minecraft longer.
As a Minecraft die-hard fan that's never played Terraria as soon as I heard "Both of these characters at their peak", knowing how immeasurably harder Terraria is than Minecraft, I accepted that Steve was going to lose
I think if they wanted to give Steve a realistic and fair chance they should have mentioned things other than just sword damage output, things like End crystals, god apples, ebderpearls and instant damage arrows or poison, also new things like mace, jus feel like they could have been mentioned to give steve a fair chance
counting piggy banks and safes but not counting ender chests is devious also, if the terrarian can use the zenith, steve should AT LEAST be able to use a multishot firework crossbow (one in each hotbar slot, preloaded)
Enderchests are the same thing as void bag which is a seperate dimension, plus he counts shulker boxes so it aint even needed, plus even with crossbows the damage doesn't come anywhere close to scratching the terrarian's defense in PRE Heardmode let alone the end of the game
6:47 that's completely inaccurate, the world of Terraria is very clearly three dimensional, otherwise the parallax setting wouldn't exist and there would be no background tiles or actual background to see in the background 🤷🤦
@kxs4899 not as inaccurate as sayings it's PAPER THIN, like you cam agree on am educated guess which makes the most sense, it's like me saying we don't know how much inventory steve has, what if its just a pocket dimension, makes.no sense in the terms of this argument
@@redstocat5455 So the lid just hovers through some other means when you open it? Could just be game design, but the anti-gravity stuff makes a lot more sense flavor-wise.
Its kinda hard to even compare the two cause their games are so different despite being pretty similar. All we can do is compare feats we can’t really know what would happen if they fought on the same playing field.
Oh look, I found the oopsie doopsie net, it catches all the comments about oversights and math errors I may have made. And before you take this super seriously, know that I didn't.
Terrarian is confirmed 3d in lore
And you cannot, in good faith compare a 3d character to a 2d character.
@@calamaricalamity6757 thats what i said
@@DE1ClD3 ok.
netherite is atleast 4 times heavier than gold since it needs 4 gold
also i think tungsten is heavier
Cursor holds a 'slot' at least from what I saw in phoenixsc's video. I haven't watched the full vid so idk what contribution this makes
The Terrarian and Steve: *Holds billions of pounds of gold and run around at full speed*
Beginning game: *killed by Zombie*
LMAO 😂
Don’t forget the trick shooting skeleton and a slime that come out of nowhere 😂
In master mode they can one tap too 💀 (Bedrock Minecraft's harder)
Best to consider the inventory as a magic thing rsther than lugging that stuff around
@@imaginehimhappynot for me lol. I’m having issues on expert whilst bedrock is a walk in the park for me
Terraria's 2D plane is artistic only, since we have non-static backgrounds, working doors, the Moonlord, and walls
Not to mention there's an entire landscape in the background, including a sun, moon and stars. One could even use the parallax to calculate how far the background is from the player.
theres buuldings or i think towns if i remember right in some backgrounds
Fr, Florj.
Well yes, you're completely right. However, if he would've said that the Minecraft meat riders would've bawled their eyes out.
And don't forget the absolute best, most logical and relevant argument:
It's called a Shadow Orb not a Shadow circle
(On a more serious note the most recent box art is also 3D)
Steve in glowing netherite armour: *hits a light saber trick with his glowing sword*
Terrarian in a god suit: *pulls 18 swords out of one like fucking gambit*
Terrarian: random bullshit! Go
Terrarian can win in survival mod.
Will creative mod they both will respawn all the time creating tie.
But with mods Steve will win.
Cause there are lots of overpowered mods compared to terrarian's
@@MrUglyDudehave your herd about calamity mod
@@adienmendoza9320have you heard about infinix mod for Minecraft which went private it's the most overpowered mod no one would thought.
@@adienmendoza9320 Calamity aint s**t compared to Avaritia 1.1x and Lost Infinity, even something as simple as celestial artifacts could beat calamity
Steve and the Terrarian can both respawn. Nobody will ever win. They will be friends
hardcore modes: 💀
@@NyloN-YT Why would they play multiplayer in hardcore?
@ThePenguinOfUndying what's ur point
@@NyloN-YT Players only damage each other in multiplayer. Besides content creators no one plays multiplayer hardcore. Steve and the Terrarian probably won't battle just for content.
@@ThePenguinOfUndying i still dont get your point
"the only hostile mob the two games share is the zombie." What about skeletons, spiders and slimes?
Spiders have variations even within their games so it's harder to do that, and skeletons do damage immensely differently, and in terraria there is like a dozen different skeleton types.
@@Splatoonspyro okay but there's a lot of different zombie sprites too? ice zombie is a different mob if you're gonna be nitpicky. op's point still stands
Mostly they work very different. Skeletons use bows in minecraft, the slimes in terraria are a: smaller and b: don't split like they do in minecraft and c: have very diffrent uses with their drops, and spiders in minecraft are not even hostile, their neutral. The zombie is basically the same, being a melee attacker that sometimes holds weopons that it can drop.
@@Jackaboy3695 I agree with you however, there is the Skeleton Archer in Terraria.
Closest to a Minecraft Slime would probably be the Mother Slime
I always interpreted Terraria's 2D nature as an artistic depiction of the world for the sake of the game rather than actually being 2D in universe, as such each block would be 2 x 2 x 2ft significantly changing the strength calculations
Yeah lol, it's so silly to assume every 2D game has a canonically flat universe.
also, in the backgorund of terraria you can see more terrain stretching out behind where we play, meaning this is most probably correct
That's a fact, as clearly demonstrated by background tiles and a background that can clearly be seen IN THE BACKGROUND which requires depth 🤷🤦
@@ColeSwaney it's not just probably correct, it's factually, objectively, and demonstrably correct 🤷
i think it depends on the person. I personally like seeing it as 2d world.
The terrarian holding 9999 fallen stars in one inventory slot:
What about solar fragments because fallen stars aren't actually stars
Steve bolding the water buket with infinite water
@@LovroŠtefanac Terrarian's infinite lava and water buckets.
@@Shadows_price Wait! If we look at it in a technical standpoint, water only flows from the very top of your world to the very bottom, aka Bedrock. Does water flow into Minecraft's Void?
H@@Shadows_price not really. If the buckets were truly infinite wouldn't the water overflow? Idk I'm dumb
Terrarian: "Prank him John!"
Dungeon Guardian: "Haha you already know."
"Also try Terraria" 🤝 "Also try Minecraft"
🤝
Where did Terraria say "also try Minecraft?"
@@flynneugene2675 I believe it says it in the tips when your loading in. Also terraria has lots of Easter eggs like in the Halloween bags where you can get the creeper costume.
@@flynneugene2675Idk how it works in console but if you see the name of the Terraria .exe when you boot up the game, it can be lots of things, including "Also try Minecraft"
@@flynneugene2675load the game in windowed mode and take a look at the window title 👍
OBJECTION: the dryad becomes 3D when going to the world of dungeon defenders 2, and the tavernkeep and old ones army becomes 2D when going to terraria, so it stands to reason that the terrarian would become 3D or steve would become 2D when going to a setting where they would fight
Facts
HOLD IT: That is only true as long as we assume that characters actually change at all. It is still possible that terraria is simply being percieved by the player as 2d, and is actually more complicated than that. That would explain why 3d entities from DD2 do not die instantly after their arrival in terraria. What if the characters do not actually change, and the only difference is our point of view. Your evidence is not incriminating enough.
@@cancat1386 true and that's what I believe, I just went with the assumption that terraria is actually flat because that's the assumption he went with
They most probably change according to the world's laws, so yea
**P.S. I love the Ace Attorney reference you two^*
@@hero-bo7qc Not really flat, Canonically the creatures and monsters come from the background, that's why the game says to build walls, Canonically the world of Terraria is not bi-dimensional.
Terraria is canonically 3D, mind you, just look at the graphic novel
But he cant leave The second dimension
yes, also notice items being named "blocks" and not "squares"
there's a graphic novel? where?
@@Irate_Beau 50 amp productions
@@Jauhoaddictihe can, the 2D is mostly game mechanic/Design Choice
Steve late game: Armour and weapons made with materials from hell
Terrarian late game: Armour made from the Sun and weapons dropped from gods
Terrarian Mid-Game: Also from hell.
@@Clock1-work7 Mid game? Molten armor is pre hardmode, thats early game.
@@Wuissuperior Proves the point even more.
@@Clock1-work7 True, Minecraft kinda has pretty bad armor..
honestly steve is rlly strong even in survival but if ur talking abyt creative mode then steve just solo's easily dude moves at the speed of light and can carry inf items
Dont fear the creature, that has mastered its 3D surroundings
Fear the one, that has been inprisoned in 2D for ages
Hard line
Oh I have both games
Terria can move only left and right but steve....
@@fuser9892 Jesus Christ. Terraria is canonically 3d were are just seeing it in 2d. Also in the video he explained it to be a tie.
@@The_Police_Of_UA-cam yeah... Just saying sorry if I hurt you
This video was a really bad effective argument but a fun equivalent of the kind of argument you’d have with your friend over xbox voice chat at 3am
Exactly 😂
"Nah bro! You know how heavy Netherite is?!"
terrarian vs 1000000000000 lions
“Since terraria is 2D that means everything is 2D and can’t estate the value of a cube”
The Terrarian world is canonically 3d, so all the calculations here make it seem like Steve is closer than he is in reality. The Terrarian is easily killing Steve.
My main problem with the first part is that the terrarian world DOES exist on a 3d plain, we just view it as 2d, since the background and wall layers exist, i would have used the same rules from the minecraft calculations, where a block in terraria is a cube with every side being the same
Agree, also, in terraria you can place golden bars (: And that means that size of the bar is 2ft x 2ft x Z axis size. So if its a cube it will be heavier than minecraft gold probably (maybe not, i didnt bother calculating, but i believe it should be heavier)
further proven by the fact that coins spin when dropped on the ground
also the terrarian could fill their inventory with platinum bars which are heavier that gold
@@R3verse301I forgot that they can spin
@@R3verse301 i agree that the terrarian can obvioulsy carry more but he decided to use gold because minecraft doesnt have platinum and it would be unfair on steve
Steve and the Terrarian casually having a friendly sparring match thats capable of ripping apart galaxies
Calculating the gold bars with paper thickness is so bizarre lmao
Why wouldn't you just consider the width of the block to be the same as its height in 2 dimensions?
because if it's truly 2 dimensional, there wouldn't be a width
@@Throarbin You didn't take into account the background, which would make the world 3 dimensional
@@Throarbin but Terraria is 3d, but the pov makes it look like 2d
@@Throarbin If its truly 2 dimensional it would have 0 weight by 3 dimensional standards
@@ThroarbinThe game's box art depicts the world being 3D, only the gameplay is 2D, so the blocks being cubes is the easiest assumption
Steve: "I can carry over 3 billion pounds, and I have a weapon that can knock you away at over the speed of sound."
The Terrarian: "I have a gun."
/kill the terrarian
@@I-eat-showerheads-daily God mode
@@I-eat-showerheads-daily/kill isn’t a command in Terraria, and wouldn’t affect Terrarian.
@@blitzbase creative mode then
@@Olesov_Dima it still would kill
if its a naked hand fight steve wins because the terrarian doesn't know how to punch
that made me think, why doesn't the terrarian use his hands? is he stupid?
@@suspicioussand Maybe it's below them? They can craft literal alien technology from vortex fragments. So why bother punching?
@@suspicioussand I don't think punching trees and skeletons is exactly a "smart" move
But he ALWAYS spawns in with a cooper short sword
@@suspicioussandbecause he has a axe? Why use hands?
I think the community got it wrong by measuring their strength by their inventory. It doesn't matter how much gold they can carry if both of them can get killed by a single slime within 30 seconds and they both need an axe to properly cut down a tree. The only way to measure their power is by the strongest enemy they can defeat and the amount of damage they can resist. 😅
in that case you could call it a stalemate i guess lol
the terrarian can easily tank say the moon lord with the right gear, and a full prot 4 netherite armored steve with a beacon and/or gapples can tank pretty much everything in his game
@@ocksieNot really. Terrarian still wins if we're being honest.
@@ocksie netherite is essentially hellstone. minecraft doesn't even make it past pre hard mode 😂
Steve: *jumps one meter high*
Terrarian: *jumps three times his own height*
Hmm, yes, the gravitational force appears to be the same
Maybe the Terrarian can just jump higher.
He got the legs
He jump good
Mario
oh? then explain to me why blocks can float in both games
Steve watching the terrarian kill a whole ass eldritch horror:
*Bedrock wither behind him:* reminded of me?
@El.fish.the.chocolate Bedrock wither has like idk like 400 health.
That's less health than the Terrarian at max health.
@@drakewahl7609 no, I meant the fact that probably, Steve, after seeing how hard the boss in terraria are, it would probably trick a PTSD episode in him about the bedrock wither... That fight is really traumatic, especially if you are a java player...
@@El.fish.the.chocolateplease never make a joke again. I never usually say this but this made me cringe, and i rarely cringe.
@@frowner_and_co emotional damage
Terrarian isn’t even 2D, this is easily contradicted by lore and official art 😭
You are right.
And the comics
@@FirePugthe2nd and the last prism
i imagined that if terraria was actually 2d, the terrarian wouldnt be able to close doors, since it would go into the background
“Steve is stronger because the water bucket is technically infinite”
T’s endless water bucket:
"We don't have golden blocks in Terraria"
Golden bricks: guess I don't exist
Not only that but you can place golden bars directly as a block
Wait, golden chests. Golden chests require golden bars to make, meaning we can fit MORE gold, also thrones a thing
@@Hijinx2763Yeah, but that isn't fair because steve doesnt have that in his universe, just like how terraria has no netherite
@@onserutiri4359yeah, but it’s made of gold, which is in both universes. along with chests and the iron needed to make a chest in terraria. it would work as an argument.
@@onserutiri4359 how is that not fair but steve having gold blocks is?
By just examining the gold bar you could find that the terraria world isn’t paper thin cause it’s multiple times as long as it is wide and it’s shown when placed to be a full block wide
look wat chatgpt says:
is terraria 2d game?
ChatGPT
Yes, Terraria is a 2D sandbox game developed by Re-Logic. It features a pixelated art style and gameplay that revolves around exploration, building, crafting, and combat within a 2D world. Players can mine resources, fight various enemies and bosses, and interact with NPCs in a side-scrolling environment.
but isnt it canonically 3d?
ChatGPT
Terraria is primarily a 2D game, where gameplay and graphics are presented in a two-dimensional space. However, there have been discussions and plans for a potential sequel, Terraria: Otherworld, which was intended to have a 2.5D graphical style, blending elements of 2D and 3D. This sequel was originally announced but later cancelled due to development challenges. As of my last update, Terraria remains a 2D game in its canonical form.
@@egegeyyeyeyokay and chatgpt does not know anything stop trusting ai
@@egegeyyeyeychatgpt isn't reliable.
@@egegeyyeyey first of all, using chatgpt as your argument is taking an instant hilariously bad L. it's going to know _less_ than I could after a quick google search and sometimes intentionally lies, and will even admit it can lie. it's a LLM, so its responses aren't some supergenius objective fact, just a machine trying to replicate how a human's response would sound. secondly, it's ignoring your question and talking about the art style, both times, so it's literally not addressing the question correctly
@egegeyyeyey
A) You're using chatgpt as an argument. Chatgpt isn't an omniscient source of information, it just uses information presented to it (whether or not that information is meant as a joke), and uses it to come up with a response. There's an entire meme about how the GoogleAI bot gives VERY misleading information.
B) It's clearly talking about it's gameplay, and got confused by the word, "canon."
"2D game in its canonical form" makes no sense, as the canon of Terraria isn't noted to literally be a game (a la Wreck it Wralph.) You can tell by how it says "2.5D," which isn't an actual dimensional classification in any form of mathematics, it's just a term used to describe a game design phenomenon.
Terraria is 3D, just viewed in 2D. There's literally backgrounds and walls and the sun in the BACK. Plus canonically it's 3D
I don't really care about "canon" for Terraria. But I hadn't thought about the dimensionality walls introduce
@@Throarbin All good tho, great video btw
@@Throarbin FYM you don't care about the canon? That's like saying you don't care about the taste of food, or about the reason for a war. If you disregard the canon, you might as well say "Steve wins because I said so"
if anyone said "its just 2d minecraft" post the 2 infected biomes and see the results
@@randomuser.5356 Canon has nothing to do with these calculations at all. Did you even watch the video??? In MC cannon it is heavily implied that Steve is the descendant of an ancient builder people that created great civilizational monuments but also world ending destructive monsters (Wither) to the point they had to build gateways to new dimensions to escape (End, Nether). Thus, if push comes to shove it is not inherently illogical to think that Steve may also possess the ability to create similar world ending destructive monsters or dimension hop (a stretch but you see the point). In Terraria cannon, the player literally defeats a GOD.
Factoring the cannon of either of these series into the debate complicates it astronomically while not adding any fun to it. This is why the video only focuses on comparable gameplay aspects between each story. Your last argument is literally a strawman of an angry Terraria fan that the video wasn't simply 10 mins of just delving into the game lore to find which one of these characters is more powerful in their cannon. I agree that the Terrarian wins against Steve (easy too), but I know if this video was just about comparing cannon, then I would not stay because that is completely subjective rankings of power.
ok but like, how is Steve even supposed to hit the terrarian? the terrarian can fly infinitely, teleport wherever they want with the rod of harmony, and has a million different projectile weapons at their disposal so they never even have to get within range of Steve's dinky sword to attack
Crystal pvp
Arrow have inf damage
Building giant machine that lunch multiple arrow at one with every single have atleast 1M dmg
@@bored-bt4nnthe terrarian also has infinite damage using the portal gun, water, the floatie, and the shadow jousting lance
@@marioglz05 then it a draw
@@bald_peter steve is perfect he could make insane redstone machines
Me and a friend ran the calculations to figure out the energy output of a knockback 255 sword because it launched things at mach 7.46 in 1/20th of a second (one tick) and we just had to find the heaviest mob possible and do the math.
The heaviest mob in the game (ignoring infinite riding shenanigans) is a camel carrying two players carrying full inventories of shulker boxes filled with stacks of enchanted golden apples (which were made with 8 gold block when they were craftable making them 8X heavier than gold blocks) and the energy needed to accelerate that much mass to mach 7.46 in 1/20th of a second is 21 Megatons of TNT, or 42% the yield of Tsar Bomba.
Still far less than Nebula Weapons, which are crafted from Nebula Fragments which have “the power of a galaxy” in them.
@@randomuser.5356what if there’s a black hole in that galaxy(not like black holes are in very galaxy) (just kidding they are) IT WOULD DESTROY EVRYTHING
Including the one holding the nebula weapons💀
Don't forget the weight of the apples
@@just_a_person9583but that'll bump it to 177% yield!
@@EvanHarjo-p1c our current understanding of the universe is based on the assumption that information cannot be destroyed. Based on this, it is believed that Black Holes dont destroy anything that falls into them, but they store the information. Theoretically when you have complete controll over all the matter and energy an object is made of, you can recreate it with the particles it was made of. So when one would find a way to overcome the massive gravitational force of a black hole, yít should be possible to recreate everything that ever fell into it. Even after a black hole "burns out" it should be possible to recover all the information, since black holes slowly loose mass via Hawking Radiation that escapes the event horizon.
The gold math done for terrarian is killing me, the terraria world is canonically 3D, we just view it from a 2D perspective
Edit: also I think that overall the math and comparisons could be done much better
Edit 2: btw since this comment got so popular, I’m gonna say this just in case, no hate to throarbin or anyone else in the replies please and thank you.
which means the terrarian could carry 4,849,003,051.2 lbs, if I did my math correctly.
plus, when you can place gold bars, that means the gold bar is just as big as the gold ore
Yeah. Just because we see it in 2D it doesn't mean it's really 2D (or that we can't make it 3D, I mean we already know the lenght and height of a Terraria block).
BTW Minecraft is 2D too through our monitors.
also, its 3D, because if it WAS 2D, the terrarian would bump into every tree, wall, enemy, npc, and every stuff that is in the backround
@@TaratheTigerSharkNo because if you place a gold bar in Terraria you can see at least three bars there, not just one.
"No assumptions in this video"
Bro proceeds to make Terraria literally flat despite knowing the blocks are 2 feet in all directions and it would be making no sense whatsoever, just for the sake to lower the Terrarians sheer power and make the video less 1-dimensional. Ironic.
Honestly, hes just tryna give steve a chance for the whole bunch of whiny minecraft fans. Hes really just doing that because people would point it out a million times in the comments
theoretically i could beat goku bc he's just a drawing, but if i would actually fight HIM, id be gone in just a blink of an eye. same thing with steve and terrarian, steve being me and terrarian being goku
@@Cibraste Oh yes, ignore the fact that steve can have 1,944 inventory slots with bundles and shulkers, and fill them all up with Beacon Blocks, so it will be 124,416 beacon blocks, each beacon block weights 10^24. or u could just get a minecraft water bucket, and u can fill infinite water bottles with water, so that means steve can hold infintie water, so infinite kilograms. or simply the Blue Ice.
@@sliceOcheese let's face it. He nerfed Steve pretty hardcore.
@@Unamedblue3 in what way bro
Isn’t an inventory like a dimensional storage space because they can only hold 1 or 2 items in their hands at a time because if they really had that kind of strength then every attack would destroy the world
I thought the same thing but people love to make up there own logic
Well its the same thing when it comes to fictional movies, anime, comics and so forth. A lot of characters in those worlds have the power to eradicate universes but for the viewers/readers they are restricted because it would be boring to read or watch a character just breath and every foundation the story is written on to be destroyed. Plus, the Terrarian after destroying the Pillars has the power to destroy galaxies and even the universe since the moonlord’s existence threatens the universe in the lore
@ ok that’s fair lore and stuff like that is fine to judge their strength off of but what I’m saying is you can’t judge strength off of inventory capacity because it’s not them lifting that stuff it’s all in another dimension basically
@@dylanplays4449 it would make more sense thats its a dimensional pokect restricted by space since why can you only hold 36 bows but a few hundred 1M blocks they do shrink when you break them but still 64 of the smaller blocks should still take up more then 1 bows worth.
tbf this video went from. "with as less assumptions as possible" to "how many hypotheticals does it take for steve to atleast stalemate"
Yeah the terrarian is so overpowered that even with the most insane assumptions possible steve can't do anything
@@CallytheCalicoCat Terrarian isn't overpowered the games just use compltly different numbers for health/damage
@@eslin2845You could calculate the damage by comparing max health, so if The Zenith deals 50k dps, it kills a person a hundred times per second. No weapon in Minecraft could ever reach that damage. Also the difference in agility and ranged attacks is insane, meaning Steve could not touch the Terrarian.
@@Jurajoxx The best comparaison would be the mace, who could *theorically* kill a person a hundred times over through an undiscosed ammount of time used to fly up and crash down
@@JurajoxxYou forgot Steves Prized Position, COMMANDS and CREATIVE MODE
One thing I will say the terrarian isn’t 2d I’m 100% sure they are canonically 3D as in the background and things like walls clearly imply in cannon it’s a 3D word
He still cant leave The 2d plane
@@Jauhoaddicti the reason why he's 2d in game play was because of limitations at the time, so he very much could but the game devs couldn't change the style at the time
@@Jauhoaddictihe actually can
they are, the collab with dungeon defenders, the dryad turns 3d, so canonically they are 3d and since they traveled to dungeon defenders, it shows they can indeed leave the 2d plane
@@Jauhoaddicti even if the game itself isn't 3D, terraria's "world" is 3D. the comics are 3D, so the terrarian can infact exist on a 3D plane
I always imagined it as:
Terrarian is the smart one, using a passive form of magic to store their countless wares and tank hits and preform feats that shouldn't be humanly possible.
Steve is just a brute that uses raw physical strength for all that, hence why he can't hold as much stuff yet can punch a Zombie to death and break nearly any material with his bare hands, while the Terrarian absolutely needs tools.
Terrarian Twink vs Steve Hunk
@@m.blaster05terrarian holding 9999 solar fragments
Some time ago, Steve was officially depicted as the more crafty character, who brewed, traded, and did redstone. Alex was the miner and adventurer who makes progress, putting the mine in Minecraft. Though in the recent trial chambers trailer Steve was shown to be the most armed and prepared out of the whole group
@@mike-._ Steve existed longer, of course he's more prepared!
@@m.blaster05that twink can hold 9999 of throne made out of solid gold in just one slot of his inventory
You forgot the enchanted golden apples from minecraft, they weigh as much as 8 golden blocks and 1 apple
that only existed in a version before shulker boxes so it wouldn't work
"Yes, gold is stronger than iron. What have they been teaching human these years?"
-our favorite platinum eating machine, goblin tinkerer
i dont think most people like him tho-
@@Replaceted_GlitchI like him
@@Replaceted_Glitch Do you have a platinum eating machine you can think of that you prefer?
Gold is infact not stronger. Its actually pretty soft as far as metals are concerned and thus horrible for making tools or armor.
*_guys, I think I found a human…_*
This debate is basically what if a medieval knight fought a warhammer dreadnought
Basically yeah, can't compare em both, btw that Minecraft Sucks thing at the end was unnecessary as fuck.
@@pancakemaster4182 he's not saying you can't compare them, he's saying that it's entirely unfair because the winner is obvious
@@ogalog "Okay, so in this corner we have an unstopable force and in the other we got a potato. Let's see who wins!"
@@nioc2971 "Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby" ahh comparison, then he tried justifying it by saying steve is a 3D being while the terrarian is 2D, which isn't even true lmao
@@iikoko2008 i mean it more on the technological side like steve is litterally a medieval knight wtf is he supossed to do against all the shit that the terrarian has isunfair on principal is not even about strenght or skill is about the nature of their worlds
Both could still beat Goku though.
For real....time for another video just to make the Goku fans angry
A true comment that makes dbs fans mad💀
@@Throarbin heck yeah!!!!
@@Throarbin you forgot about saitama, he's even named after the fact that he can kill anyone in one punch...
Terrarian could but steve is weak
7:38 I dont agree with the way you calculated the size of blocks, just assume that it adds another dimension and cube it >:(
12:52 that's not how percentages work. if a zombie hits for 10% of a terrarians health, and for 20% of steves health, that means that minecraft's zombies hit twice as hard (not 10 percent harder) as terraria's.
Even then one might look 'well steve is actually naturally more hardy but the terrarians zombies are also stronger' or other nonsense. Guy is trying to do things that dont really make sense here.
Do we assume that the characters have the same amount of health, just measured differently, in which case the zombies deal different amounts of damage?
Or do we assume that the zombies deal roughly the same amount of damage, in which case the characters not only measure health differently, but also have different amounts of it?
@@davidburnett5049 That's just power scaling in a nutshell
@@wl-o8197 pretty much.
I thought he would just compare the average health of both zombies to get a conversion rate for terraria health and minecraft health
The showdown between Minecraft Steve and the Terraria player would be legendary!
Nah they to close as friends.
@@cat_in_a_fish_bowl I agree
I don’t think you watched the video because the terrarian would win instantly
@@SVTVN1234With no prep time and Steve just sees the terrarian walking in the streets and see each other Steve is winning
The terrarian has much more op armor and weapons but Steve is much more stronger, and that’s an understatement.
Steve grabs unbreaking elytra, density V mace, loads of firework rockets, and a totem of undying. He flies as far as he can upwards and crashes back down on to the earth with the full might of the mace. He misses the hit and the terrarian instantly filets him with the Zenith
Depending on the version, Steve can also remotely activate ender pearl stasis chambers if a certain item is used
Rod of Harmony and rod of discord exist teleports away before the attack hits oh and master ninja gear black belt both dodge also we have to take into consideration that there is damage reduction from the solar flare armour set bonus with a solar flare shield also the frozen turtle shell with it if they’re low health which gives them even more damage reduction
What about end crystals? He doesnt have to use the mace
Not if steve has a totem of undying
@@BigClayBoi It wont save him from that much dps.
I might not agree with some of the math you made, but I really like the approach you took for this matchup, by focusing mainly on game mechanics rather than statements and lore.
Very fun and creative video!
with the logic you’re using to count the safe, avengers forge, and piggy bank you should be counting the ender chest for steve, as steve always accesses the same inventory through ender chests, even if he breaks one
He didn’t count the void item, it’s the same thing, magical.
There’s a difference, the piggy bank and safe Is comparable to the shucker box since it’s just straight up storage, the ender chest is more comparable to the void bag which both were excluded
The Ender Chest is clearly meant to be a magical item as you cant carry and store normal chests in your inventory - meanwhile a safe and piggybank, internal space aside, are mundane items
@@ultranecrozma7449 id say safe piggy void and ender are all pocket dimensions and shouldn't be counted
he didnt even count Steves armor
there are SO MANY THINGS that prove terraria isnt 2D.
"10% more damage" while comparing zombies is bs. 20% is double of 10%.
Usually when people compare percentages they treat them like normal numbers
Like, when someone says they increase a 20% buff by 50% they usually mean they got it up to 70%, not increased it to 30%
@@starsilverinfinity This is just wrong. If you say that you increase a 20% buff by 50%, you get a 20x1.5=30%. If you say that you increase a 20% buff by 20 POINTS then you get 20+50=70%.
@@TheArtificer_ He's not wrong because he said that's how people usually treat them, not that it's correct.
@@TheArtificer_ Yeah Im not saying your wrong, Im simply pointing out that people usually treat it as addition instead of multiplication when casually talking to one another
@@starsilverinfinitymy gripe with percents is people always treat them like units, when they're really just glorified ratios
It's literally called "per cent" -> per hundred, it's a ratio of for the number of hundreds you're refering to has
"An increase of 10%" in itself is ambiguous because it's not refering to anything
Is it "an increase of 10% OF the mobs damage"?
Is it "an increase of 10% OF the other percentage"
Idk if I'm explaining it well but eitherway it annoys the hell out of me.
I guess one could argue that the default "of" is literally just 1, since that's how you convert percent to decimal anyway, but thats not always the default
"Increase 20% by 20%"
Ok sure it's increased by = 0.4 =
But it could also mean increased by = 0.24 =
But because no one ever specifies it just leaves everything vague
Math isn't supposed to be vague dammit
There is a big issue i found, both games judge hp at differant numbers. Thats like saying bob lifted more than jim because the weight bob lifted was measured in pounds while jims was kilos. Steve has 20 hp, yet is able to tank hits the terrarian at the start of the game cant, such as arrows and falling, things consistant in both games. Steve judging off relative is tougher than the terrarian. You could bring poison into effect and say poison in both games deals 1 dps, so that determines their hp, but both games have differant poison mechanics.
They also have different ends points, Steve achieving perfection after making it to hell. The terrarian making it to hell in 30 minutes then spending the next 10 hours of gameplay ascending to godhood and fighting an eldritch deity. Steve loses regardless of anything
Technically since Golden Thrones in Terraria are made up of 20 gold blocks and thrones can stack up to 9999 as well, you can multiply the Terrarians weight calculations by 20…
A million is 1000x less than a Billion so this sadly does not change much.
@@infinityc2859 Oh yeah well I get that based on his final calculations there is too large a gap, however I disagree with his calculations anyways, @Terrasteel has a more accurate calculation, where in the end he concluded that the the Terraria can hold nearly 8 times less so that they can’t win, however not longer after that video, the stack sizes for thrones went from 99, to 9999, bit yeah I don’t really agree with throarbin’s calculation based on the assumption that there isn’t a third dimension in the game, when in universe there is, it’s just that we have a 2d view.
@@dacrystalcreeper7300 Out of curiosity, what are the proposed dimensions of gold ore in terraria including a third dimension (since with a third dimension we still need a Z axis measurement)?
@ well I would say the most logical preposition would be that it’s a cube, so 2 feet by 2 feet by 2 feet
Bruh, 1 nebulosa fragment has more weight than all of that xd
Im sorry, i was curious when I started this video, but it just feels agressively poorly researched...
Ong it’s so annoying
100% dude has no idea what hes talking about.
I agree. A lot seemed ignored, such as the terrarian crafting bars into things that also stack or Steve building anything in prep time instead of just acquiring items.
However, Terrarian would still probably win ez.
@@SaboTheFish if we scaled their stats like HP and Damage to be comparable to each other
It would be a much more fair fight.
But ultimately, Minecraft is balanced around enemies having HP relative to you, and terraria is not.
Steve has literally no chance unless he's controlled by a speed runner and the terrarian a casual
@@shirothefish9688even then if the speed runner is hit once then he is immediately dead with pretty much any weapon that the terrarian has, especially in hardmode.
The Zenith from terraria ignores immunity frames 🙂
12:54 I wouldn't say this is how it works since we're not taking health percentages into account for anything else here, just damage numbers. A Minecraft zombie does 4 damage, while a Terraria zombie does 50; assuming these are the same kind of creature exerting the same kind of force, this means that one point of Minecraft damage is equal to 12.5 points of Terraria damage. This divides the Terrarian's damage against Steve by 12.5, and multiplies Steve's damage against the Terrarian by 12.5 as well. Defensively, this means without resistance Steve is only taking about 36 damage per second, or 71.64/12.5 = 5.73 damage per second. In Bedrock Edition, the enchanted golden apple grants Regeneration 5, which lets Steve regenerate 6.67 health every second, rendering him unkillable. Meanwhile in terms of offensive capability, 13.13 damage per swing times 12.5 is equal to 164.125 damage per hit, which is more than capable of surmounting the Solar Armor's base defense, and likely capable of exceeding maximum possible defense when combined with the strength effect.
I should also mention that when damage is dealt in PvP in Terraria, it only gives the Terrarian 0.13 seconds of invulnerability - which, I imagine, probably counts for this circumstance.
While it isn't impossible for the Terrarian to win, it's certainly not a curbstomp in the other direction after correcting for the egregious difference in power described by the two damage numbers.
Actually it's even worse, because according to the Minecraft wiki he's wrong. Minecraft zombies *don't* deal 4 damage, they deal *three*. (On Normal Mode)
Given that, one Minecraft Damage is equivalent to around 16.6 terraria damage.
This divides the damage dealt by the Terrarian down to 26.9 DPS from 447. (or 36 from your calculation) Still enough to kill Steve in a second, but he'd have a half second to act after surviving the first hit.
Including the later Resistance buff, 71.64 would become about 4.3 damage a second, which while distinctly bad given the fully kitted out armour, would absolutely be livable with a Golden Apple or the occasionally splash potions of healing.
If we combine that with a potion of strength on top of the assumed 13.13 damage of the netherite sword, 15.13 * 16.6 = 251.1 damage per swing, over 78 armour. That's 173 damage.
With this information, Steve would beat the Terrarian's 500 health in just three attacks, or about 1.875 seconds assuming optimal input.
The highest possible defense for the Terrarian I've seen online is 155, but even with that- Steve would still deal 96.1 damage per hit. That's 6 total hits, or almost four (3.75) seconds at optimal play.
So the Terrarian would win in basic endgame gear, but when you include potions and max optimal abilities, Steve would win-Or it's just generally a bit of a tossup. Either could win depending on circumstances.
Terrarian: *literally destroys a god*
Steve: *kills a dragon*
You also forgot that God‘s eyes, brain along with mechanical recreations of its eyes, spine and skeleton
@@toemato77and a old cursed man that turns into a giant skeleton with 2 arms
my takeaway was instantly: _Terraria should have dragons!_
@@Irate_Beau Betsy, Wyvern, Phantasm Dragon and Frost Hydra exist... But yeah, we need more dragons in Terraria. But if the dev really wants to add more of them.
The moon lord is not a god
This is insane.
I really don't care if people try to have a casual discussion just for fun but once you bring in all the calculations its not really for "fun" anymore. So here's every critique I found.
1:59 - Terraria's canon world size extends beyond both oceans, in a large or small world the playable space of the world increases but does not signifigantly affect what would be the "canon" size of the world.
2:12 - There is no reason to make gold the standard unit of measurement, both games have items which can be at least partially accounted for by real-world materials that weigh more than gold.
2:18 - Netherite is one of the afformentioned items from Minecraft that DOES weigh more
2:25 - You don't have to use just ores, for example the throne is one such item that is more dense than gold per inventory slot.
2:45 - The crafting slots should not count, they are most likely for gameplay purposes as when you close the inventory they are dropped. If you were going to count this, then you should also count the cursor slot.
4:34 - These items clearly do not physically require the Terrarian to carry the stored items. Each copy of the item opens the same inventory, which is physically impossible unless it worked more like Void Bags / Ender Chests as opposed to Shulker Boxes.
6:48 - Why would you assume this? The blocks we are talking about are all square. Just multiply by the side length to make it a 3D cube. The Terraria world is not canonically 2D.
7:51 - You can't say that for sure because the other factor to the amount of energy (the indicator of strength) is the time over which the force is asserted, which has been completely ignored.
9:49 - There is no comparison between both measures of damage, and plus both characters have unclear health amounts as well. Since we're considering "prep-time," both characters can build devices and traps that can deal more damage than themselves. More if you count common glitches.
10:21 - This is completely mathematically wrong.
10:27 - There is no way to compare the measures of damage, the enemies in both games vary greatly and are in no way comparable.
11:23 - This is the last time I'm gonna bring it up, you can't just mix-match all the mechanics around, these things are NOT COMPARABLE.
11:52 - Again, but for health.
12:15 - Not true, multiple people in the comments have brought up Skeletons, Slimes, Spiders and possibly more.
12:17 - Zombies are fictional, meaning there is no way
12:19 - It's totally possible for one character to have more physical "health" than another, this is assuming they have the same amount, which is probably wrong.
12:26 - The difficulty options affect a lot of damage calculations for Terraria, and plus the "standard" mode of Terraria is Classic. This should have at least been addressed.
12:50 - It could be less if you consider absorption from things like Golden Apples.
12:55 - No, just no.
13:02 - After all the calculations we're gonna ignore them now?
13:45 - Although we can't be sure it would work, the Terrarian has the Ahnk accesories which would prevent weakness as not only does it explicitly prevent weakness, it is meant to be the "cure-all" for debuffs.
14:24 - There's no way.
15:05 - Why would the Terrarian think this? It is completely beyond their comprehension. They have prep time but not a briefing about their opponent.
16:51 - Absolutely insane. You can't just waste people's time by presenting this as a more in-depth analysis and then trying to change the theme and THEN laughing about how the Terrarian would win with no real evidence (even if I agree.)
This is the first video that has really annoyed me and I realize I probably shouldn't have wasted my time writing this comment but I'm just gonna leave it at that since I already wrote it.
terrarian propaganda, casually forgets the mace is a weapon
This whole video is insane after he tries to use gold as measurement. Terrarian slays actual GODS. Steve kills some flying Withering Zmey Gorynich looking mf with difficulty.
@Prismate The mace wouldn't matter, the Zenith has far more range and would kill Steve before he could get close enough to hit the Terrarian
@@PrismateLance does the same thing
Also, how is steve flying that far up while being chased by someone faster with homing projectiles?
@@ultranecrozma7449 a bedrock horse
"terraria is a 2d space" the moon lord:
still 3d 😂
Yeah it’s still 2d… if it was 3d then a beam that goes across the entire screen in a 2d plane would be easily dodged if it was 3d
@@Mrboopsy6 It's 2d in it's style, 3d in canon. official art (Steam trading cards, steam library banner) Shows that it's a 3d space.
@@Mrboopsy6 Wrong, how the hell would platforms, background walls, etc, work if it was in 2d? It's 3d, VIEWED in a 2d perspective
@@helloagain.andagain.andagainjust moonlord proves its 3d MY MAN EVEN THE BACKGROUND AND CLOUDS prove its 3d
Steve: Powerful blade, forged out of stone from the depths of hell
Terrarian: *Mechanized dolphin noises*
I dont think the world size of terraria changes the actualy "planet". It seems pretty heavily implied that the world we play in is only an island on a planet, so world size would only change the size of that island
The lore explanation is that every terraria world is canonically it's own world, living in balance between light and dark, meaning there is a theoretically infinite amount of everything that exists in any Terraria World in just the main planet (assuming worlds aren't separate planets)
that's like saying cartoons are 3D
@@Mr.Duston Uhhhhhhhhh... they are? Minecraft would be 2d using that logic
@@kingkongcreeper With cartoons I meant the classic hand-drawn cartoons
@@Mr.Duston...they still are?? The world the 2d characters are in is still 3d, as they can move around in all directions. This does not help your point at all lol, just because something is drawn with 2d techniques doesn't make that world itself 2d
@@Mr.DustonWhat percentage of your brain are you using? Cause it sure ain’t 100%.
Zenith ignores invulnerability frames
...and potions/arrows of harming ignore armor.
Instant Harming would still be reduced by the Terrarian's worm scarf, beetle endurance, and more. Plus good luck to Steve hitting a guy with infinite flight and teleportation using gravity affected potions and arrows
@@randomuser.5356Steve ain’t winning dog
@@kevindunn2099 That's exactly what I'm saying. What else did you think "Steve realistically wouldn't even be able to hit Terrarian" means?
@@randomuser.5356 yes 🗿
20HP vs 500HP
btw Zenith ignores enemy invincibility frames
Just because terraria is a 2d game doesn’t mean it’s a 2d universe. Otherwise there wouldn’t be a background/walls/furniture etc…
Or do you think super Mario magically world hopped from a 2d universe to a 3d one?
your right, but I just wanted to point out that in super mario oddessy, you can actually magically switch from 3D to 2D 😅
Paper mario do it firts
Yeah, Classic Sonic would be a better comparison. He didn't magically just become 3D. Or the Metroid games, or Celeste, or the Ori games, or the early Street Fighter games...
The "Terrarian 2D" logic just doesn't fit. You don't assume common game design choices are literal unless told so.
@@gabrielmbx9253 even paper mario can walk in 3 dimensions
@@nestlecritThe Ori games being here doesn’t make sense. I’m pretty sure both games used 3D models, it’s just that the world is 2D art, that still looks very 3D.
I think instead Steve and the Terrarian would make out passionately
It’s cannon
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Neither got time for that nor got a button for that
@@VeryRGOTI mod one in 😈😈
@@VeryRGOTI "neither got time for that" fym they're both the main characters of sandbox games
Terrarian casually eats 5 fallen stars just to gain mana
Minecraft eating raw chicken and getting poisoned
@@Crimsony0 Steve casually holding 1 bucket of infinite water
@@CoobunsBoogerwhistle
Steve: I only need to dig 3 blocks of dirt and 2 buckets of water to make a infinite sourse of it!
Terrarian: I only need 1 bucket of water (lava or honey) and three blocks in the air to drown the world!
(not counting the infinite liquid buckets)
PS: I probably do have a Terraria bias 😂
@@CoobunsBoogerwhistle the terrarian also has buckets of infinite water and lava
@@Crimsony0 steve can counter any potion effects by drinking milk, and he has no cooldown for potions
Steve also has hunger, runs slower, jumps lower, so literally a Terrarian could wait out Steve and run away until he starves.
bro making the gold the thickness of a sheet of paper, like bruh
When you remember that the Platinum coin weighs
348,900,000 MILLION KG and the average terrarian has around 50 of those after beating moon lord
wait, you're trying to say 1 platinum coin weighs that much? Where you getting that?
@@Throarbin just saw some guy's video about it😭😂
@@ThroarbinAssuming you can place a copper coin and it takes up the place of a block, you can then find its weight and multiply that by 1,000,000 to find one platinum.
@@ThroarbinI remember watching a UA-cam short where a dude explained how much 1 platinum coin weighs. He did some long ass math calculations so we assume he's right.
@@Throarbin according to Terrasteel, if a platinum coin is made up of 1,000,000 copper coins it would be 350 million kgs, but if you purely go off the size of the plat coin (according to Terrasteel's coin gun video) it would be around 1,130 kg per coin
this is the ramming an ethernet cable into a phone charging port equivalent of powerscaling
this guy is so bad at power scaling lol
That's just pretty much all power scaling because power scaling is inherently a silly thing. I don't inherently think all power scaling is bad it's just that most people take it WAY to seriously and have this stupid "my show/game is better than yours because this character can lift 198288e tonnes" attitude. There are very few pieces of media where character are actually even remotely consistent so although it can be fun to find all these insane feats of strength and speed these characters are usually being calculated as way more powerful than actually intended by their creators and it's not as if it actually matters who the strongest person is anyway. sorry for the stupid rant. That's just how I feel about things, lol.
@@TheGumbyGuy yeah it all boils down to people wanting the thing they like to be better anyway terrarian stronger
Lifting feats for the both Steve and the Terrarian are irrelevant since both of them have items that constitute them having infinite lifting strength. Even not using those items, it seems disingenuous to count the shulker boxes for Steve but not the Terrarian's alternate forms of storage on the basis of them being "magical" which not only makes no sense for things like the piggy bank or safe, there's nothing that states that the shulker boxes aren't "magical". It's why I hate people trying to use the Steve lifting argument. Which isn't even accounting for the fact that the inventory is a gameplay mechanic, not an actual feat, which is why inventories are almost never used for powerscaling. Same with the "Terraria is a 2d world so Terrarian couldn't hurt Steve as he could just move to the side" when the Terrarian world in lore is fully 3D(as you can see by the backgrounds and monsters flying/moving in them), it's just that the game plays and uses a 2D artstyle as a design choice. I especially hate that argument since the Steve vs Terrarian matchup is the only matchup I see where people are constantly trying to use that argument despite it making absolutely no sense.
Jes, but the ender chest in Minecraft also wasn't counted. You could surely find lots of other ways to store Items - propably in both games - but not all of them can be counted. Althought I have to admit that I don't know Terreria well enough to really prove my point here. But it seems that you can in both games carry lots of additionel stuff in other gamemodes, like he mentioned. And if you say that the characters are eqally strong in all gamemodes, you would have to count these weights. I think we can just agree that there are many different ways for both of them to kill each other, and many more are to come. So it is propaly impossible to protect against all of them.
It's not exactly a peaceful encounter when it's a customary greeting in Minecraft to pour lava over your friend's house
@@fadeleaf845 I literally stack my friends graves in terraria
sounds like bad friends the traditional minecraft greeting is to twirk
It really isn't...
nah, its the classic repeatedly jump, crouch and punch. The terrarian would probably be very confused.
@@sleepdeprivedcactus for a few seconds, then I imagine they'd start jumping back and maybe swinging a weapon aimed straight up
Objection! Steve would die of hunger
Objection! Peacefulmode
@@LakkzScratch but they won't fight then because everyone is Thorfin
@@LakkzScratchobjection! Uhm… no? Idk
@@LakkzScratchObjection! Journey mode multipliers!
Objection! Steve would bring food!
1. Bunch of the terraria swords would just snipe Steve, its not even the damage, the range from projectiles would do it
2. Limiting the Terrarian to 2d is just giving Steve too many dumb advantages, plus the moon lord is in the back. Meaning its just a design choice.
3. wings. Terrarian can dodge more
I mean Steve with elytra and fireworks can fly much faster than wings in terraria. Still terrarian easily wins due to the weaponry alone
@@AA-sw5pbthe argument with the elytra is slightly true but it's proven in terraria that the wings far more accurate and cooperative allowing the terraria to move swiftly in a 3d space while the elytra you have to face where to fly
@@AA-sw5pbnot even close to the amount of control.
@@AA-sw5pb inner tube glitch
also, speed measurement is different between games
and terrarian can reach a world border within seconds when prepped properly
steve cant even reach his border within half an hour
@@AA-sw5pb steve is not faster
POV: Steve walks into a different dimension(the third) Leaving the Terrerian absolutely confused
The terrarian’s worse weapon deals the same damage as the diamond sword.
no weapons, no armour, no potions, no buffs.
steve wins.
@@Ethan_Cubed how
@@spiderlifter terrarian is very weak without his over powered items.
@@Ethan_Cubed no he's not and he has 5x the health
@@spiderlifter he cant punch
I like how he used noraml
Same :]
ikr
Steve has a bow, making the armor damage argument irrelevant
@@Themasterofkeys. A bow? Terrarian has guns
@@starboi141even if Steve would lose, he could just log out before he died lol, or he could just chunk ban The Terrarian. Also a Minecraft rail gun is a thing along with Iron Golems (that can one shot Steve in hard mode)but since this comparison isn’t on hard mode for either, I won’t consider that. You also could argue that the Terrarian could one shot Steve before he logged out or did anything but Steve could use the vanilla technique from Minecraft 1.18 to get infinite hearts from the god Apple and golden apple glitch.
Everyone debating whether Steve or the Terrarian would win
Me: Thinking how many universes they would conquer when working together
The Terrarian is at least somewhat of a good person, whereas Steve is closer to a psycopath. There isn't any world ending threat, he invades other dimensions for conquest. The Terrarian is a rather reluctant hero, it's more likely that the Terrarian would see Steve as an invader and another boss to fight.
@@KraNisOG Boss? The terrarian its going to make steve look like an ant
@@KraNisOGhe would see him as another monster npc this man has taken down gods 💀💀💀
@@KraNisOG "The Terrarian is at least somewhat of a good person" "Steve is closer to a psycopath" this makes no sense. many terraria players choose to play as a psychopath, many minecraft players choose to play as a hero
@@KraNisOGterrarian like hero? Sounds wrong
I find it so amusing that you had to nerf the terrarian so hard into the ground and yet he still cannot even die to Steve you’ve give so much benefits to
“Show me a good time, steve!” Type of thumbnail
"Steve, you deny your weapon.. Its purpose"
"This'll be fun!"
@@Kweli-kw3dj Let's Dance!
- In the Education Edition of Minecraft, there's a block called the Material Reducer which can convert Minecraft items into their component elements. It confirms that 1 gold block in Minecraft is 100% pure gold.
- Terrasteel calculated that one Platinum Coin weighs around 1,138.8 kilograms, or the weight of a small car, if we count up all its pixels in its various sprites from the Coin Gun and when it's dropped on the ground (unlike other items, coins rotate around when dropped on the ground, meaning that they are 2.5D instead of 2D like most other Terraria items). He has an entire video dedicated to calculating this. However, he also made another video pointing out that you can use 100 copper coins to craft 1 silver coins, 100 silver coins to craft 1 gold coin, and 100 gold coins to craft 1 platinum coin. Aka, 1 platinum coin is equal to 1 million copper coins. Assuming that each platinum coin actually weighs as much as this many copper coins, 1 platinum coin weighs 348.9 million kilograms. And we can put coins in the 4 coin slots as well, as opposed to the items you used for measuring the Terrarian's lifting capacity. Not only does this allow the Terrarian to lift far more than Steve, it also directly translates to attack potency through the Coin Gun.
- Full Protection 4 Netherite wouldn't even always give 96% damage reduction, because Armor Toughness exists. It's a mechanic in Minecraft that makes armor block less damage the more damage is being dealt.
- Terrarian has the Thorns Potions, which reflects 100% of all melee damage taken by the Terrarian back to the attacker. Given how much more health the Terrarian has over Steve, not to mention Lifeforce Potions which boost the Terrarian's maximum HP to 600, this essentially shuts down all of Steve's melee attacks. Thorns Potions don't work in PvP, but that's only between multiple Terrarians, so I don't see why it wouldn't affect Steve.
- The Terrarian's fire explosions from the Solar Flare armor have a limited AoE, so Steve could just use ranged weapons. Heck, we've already established that ranged weapons are his only hope at taking down the Terrarian due to Thorns Potions.
- For the 2D Terrarian vs 3D Steve debate, Steve could theoretically have infinite prep time to set up redstone contraptions. He could just place down a thousand TNT around the Terrarian and explode them all at once, or something. However, the Terrarian could just fly up past Steve's block placement limit, and then stay there indefinitely using Gravitation Potions or Soaring Insignia + Celestial Starboard, so it's still a draw.
- Also for the 2D Terrarian vs 3D Steve debate, you could say that Terrarian wins because Steve will eventually starve.
- Steve has the Thorns enchantment, which reflects ALL forms of damage taken, not just melee damage like the Terrarian's thorns effects. However, it only deals around an average of 1.5 hearts of damage per hit. That's not a lot, and Terrarian could pretty easily outheal that.
- Steve has Instant Harming Potions and Tipped Arrows of Instant Harming, which ignore defense. However, those potions and their respective Tipped Arrows are affected by gravity. Terrarian could easily dodge them with Celestial Starboard + Soaring Insignia + Rod of Harmony. Even then, percentage based damage reduction like Worm Scarf and Beetle Endurance would still reduce the damage of Instant Harming.
- Terrarian can place blocks that Steve can't destroy such as Lizhard bricks while being able to destroy Steve's blocks from afar with Celebration MK 2 with Mini Nuke IIs. He can also place blocks in midair with Ice Rod, unlike Steve. And he can fast-forward time with the Enchanted Sundial/Moondial to skip past the Rain to negate the positive buffs Steve's Trident gets in the rain.
- As seen with Piercing enchanted Crossbows, piercing attacks can go right through Minecraft shields. And the Terrarian has tons of piercing weapons.
- The world of Terraria is 3D, as seen in the backgrounds that change depending on your biome. In the Forest, you can see mountains and trees in the distance, and in the Crimson, you can see giant eyeballs and skulls jutting out from the landscape. These backgrounds are clearly 3D. However, the Terrarian cannot move into the Z-Axis himself.
- Terrarian could use a Hunter Potion to see Steve if Steve uses an Invisibility Potion.
- Steve has the Wither debuff which could shut down the Terrarian's HP regen, but no reliable method of inflicting it. Since Potions of Decay and their respective Tipped Arrows are affected by gravity. Terrarian could easily dodge them with Celestial Starboard + Soaring Insignia + Rod of Harmony. He could also fly over Steve's Wither Roses and break the blocks Steve needs to place to summon the Wither from afar with the Celebration MK 2 with Mini Nuke IIs.
- Terrarian could pretty easily hit Steve with debuffs such as Betsy's Curse, which reduces defense by 40, Acid Venom, which could deal 30 damage per second to Steve and remove his positive life regen, and Confused, which could reverse Steve's controls. Steve could drink Milk to remove them, but that takes a few precious seconds Terrarian could use to attack, and it would remove his positive buffs as well as his negative ones.
theres a block from april fools 2024 update called the floatato that can place mid air too
And Steve has the Elytra and fireworks.
And Absorption from Golden Apples and Totems
@@Bzk0001 speaking of golden apples, enchanted golden apples theoretically take 8 golden blocks to craft 1
@@FadedNinja9694 👀
Zenith ignores immunity frames
And Creative Mode is completely intangible to all kinds of attacks
only thing that touches Steve is Fire,potion effects and Water in Creative mode form
@@irrelevanttroll3312there are many 'flamethrower' type weapons in terraria that deal very fast and large amounts of damage. Plus this whole thing is based on purely survival mode, cheats off.
@@rimnull5399 And Steve can easily be in 8 mins + Fire resistance
also idk how damage contributes to this
they are unscalable
@@rimnull5399 ignoring immunity frames is a direct counter argument to creative mode
@@rimnull5399 Damage doesn't matter
just because creative mode is touchable by fire doesn't make him vulnerable to it
he doesn't take dmg during it
and also Steve can give himself fire resistance that can outlast any of terrarian's potion effect
in Survival Steve can carry a cow through a leash which has infinite milk inside
so infinite strength
same Steve can use a glitch (although unethical) to gain infinite hearts
Now another way to think about this would be stuff such as, is if we didn't give the Terrarian interdimensional storage containers to measure strength and Steve got a chance to do what he does best and diversify his weapons.
Both characters are capable of impressive feats.
Both can fly.
Both can build.
Both can do impressive stuff.
In terraria the player character is mostly limited to their own kit.
Whilst In Minecraft, the player can do a lot more.
Take explosives for example. The closest we can compare is "explosives" in terraria, vs MC's TNT block.
According to the terraria wiki the explosives will destroy a circular radius of 10 tiles. If we assume that terraria is indeed a 3d space in lore, that would mean one explosive will destroy a radius of 20 feet in all directions, or 6.096 meters. (2 feet x 10 tiles).
In Minecraft, according to the wiki, a TNT block's detonation radius is about 6.9 blocks. or about 7 meters rounded.
I was actually a bit surprised to find out that both game's TNT is actually pretty close in terms of blast power.
If we gave both characters prep time. We could assume both could theoretically build stuff to better combat the other. In this comparison, Steve has the advantage, since Minecraft has much more versatility in what the player can do. You can make railguns with arrows capable of one shotting a Minecraft warden.
In Terraria terms, the Warden would be a really powerful mob (at least in pre-hardmode lol). The warden has about 250 hearts, if we consider both game's life system to be the same measurements. That would mean the warden has about 5000 health in terraria, (250 x 20, 20 being a single heart in terraria). This is more health then master mode Eye of Cthulhu, who is shy of that number, at 4641 HP. The warden can also deal much more damage. The warden's melee attack, in normal mode, does 15 hearts of damage in one swing. So in terraria that would be about 300 damage in a single swing. If we then factor in terraria's defense system, at a flat number. With the warden dealing 300 melee damage, and the player having a defense stat of 100 in expert mode. The warden will still do a hit of about 225 damage, or about 247.50 DPS. This falls short however if we consider the attack range of the warden to be just barely 1 mc block, the warden would have a range of only about 3 tiles. Then the warden's ranged attack would do "a lot damage" as well. Since the warden's ranged attack would only do 100 damage in expert mode. However, at 100 defense it would only do 1 damage. But on the other hand, the warden does have an maximum attack radius of 15 blocks, or 50 terraria tiles, which would be 10 tiles short of the edge of the screen.
Now let's take this into consideration in Steve's armor. Like the video said, Minecraft Steve's full Netherite armor with Protection 4, takes about a 96% damage reduction. Against a warden, the thing only would do 2 hearts of damage in one hit. Or 40 damage. If we take the Zenith's BASE attack stat. (Not factoring in speed, or critical chance, or any other modifiers). A single Zenith hit would only do, 7.6 points of damage against Steve. Not even doing 1 heart of damage. Now could the Zenith still kill Steve. Yes. Since this isn't considering anything else.
Now. With All accessories reforged to menacing, solar armor, and a legendary zenith, and having consumed a rage potion, a wrath potion, ale, an apple pie, a greater luck potion, and sake.
A single swing did about 865 damage to a slime in a single hit. If we then reduced that number by Steve's 96% damage reduction. Steve would take 34.6 damage. Or under two hearts.
And that's really interesting. Compared to each, everything above with the zenith actually would do LESS damage in one hit. Then a warden.
That doesn't even consider the mace. Which would take 120 blocks of height to kill a warden in one hit. With an elytra and a flight duration 3 rocket. The player can travel a vertical height of somewhere between 76-96 or so blocks high.
I'm gonna stop for now, since I've had my fill of testing, and calculating. But this was pretty fun to think about and figure out.
First of all your math converting Terraria's ingots to weight was a bit off. 0.075mm*2ft*2ft = 0.009842 feet cubed. which converting to the weight of gold is 1.901lbs per ore. *4 is 7.604lbs per ingot, that aside. I'll use this adjusted weight at the end for the Terraria 2D weight
So, the 2d/3d thing is just a player perspective. If both were in the same location both would perceive each other as their native dimension. Which means if 4 gold ore makes 1 bar, and each ore is equal to 2 feet cubed. (2x2x2) or a volume of 8 cubic feet of gold, Knowing that 1 cubic foot is equal to 1188.6lbs, and it takes 8 of those to make a single ore, and four ore to make a bar. we can go (1188.6*8)*4= for the sum of 38,035.2lbs per bar. (this is because while steve's ore is 1:1 ore to ingot. terrarian is 4:1, volumetrically it takes up more space with no waste, suggesting that the ingots are denser)
that aside taking his inventory. 168 which the number of slots you chose, multiplied by 9999
9999*168=1,679,832 We then take the sum of both results and multiply them together to get a total weight of 63,892,746,086.4lbs
which is actually 21.19x higher than Steve's carry capacity.
To make this even 'more' fair, we can also take Steve's carrying capacy and convert it to 2d. Gold blocks no longer being 1m*1m*1m, instead being 1m*1m*0.0.75 which is 0.00075m cubed so we can take the weight of gold (31.103g) and convert that with some quick math to a thick sheet of gold leaf weighing... 31.94kg or 70.41lbs. then we convert cube to ingot by dividing by 9 (70.41/9=7.823lbs) which we can further multiply by the number of total ingots you found possible for his inventory (637,632*7.823=4,988,195,136lbs)
So to compare them
Terrarian in 3D: 63,892,746,086.4lbs
Steve in 3D: 3,014,527,138.56lbs
Terrarian in 2D: 12,773,442.52lbs
Steve in 2D: 4,988,195,136lbs
I went back to check the numbers and for Steve's in 3D you were very close, I'm guessing you rounded down for many of your equations while I kept to the hundreds of a decimal. But from this math we can see that the Terrarian is roughly 21x stronger in sheer carry weight to Steve in a equal 3D setting, and a little over 2x (2.2x specifically) stronger than Steve in a 2D setting.
This hurt to write. Because I deal with Metric. not these silly Imperial units. But I converted to Imperial specifically because that's what the video was done in.
you wrote way too much to get
Throarbin: were gonna make as less assumptions as possible.
Also Throarbon: were gonna assume they are maxed out
"We are gonna assume that Terraria being 2D as literally as possible in order to downplay everything about Terraria so we can glaze Minecraft"
@@adaphion "We're gonna assume that Terraria is somehow actually 2D so that we can show that even if they couldn't do damage, Steve can't do anything."
@@adaphionratio, the entire point was that the terrarian is so strong that even if they literally couldn't attack, steve can't win.
it's advanced terraria glazing.
also wdym "that Terraria being 2D as literally as possible"?
you mean "we are gonna assume terraria being 2d is literal so we can downplay everything and glaze minecraft"?
besides, they aren't even glazing minecraft anywhere, it's just decently plain facts.
terrarian can't punch, so he loses in fist fight.
steve is way too weak if terrarian pulls up with end game gear.
@@mishagaming1075 Nah... The terrarian LITERALLY carried a spear made OUT of stars, and + theres golden bricks, terrarian soloes Steve in all manners. Also, the game IS 3d, its just viewed in a 2d space
@@glitchzop2995i know that the game is 3d.
also the stars were super small, so the calculation of weight would probably be different than actually carrying stars.
also i don't know anything about golden bricks cause i never use decorative blocks, cool info i guess.
2 cosmic entities clash, the worlds tremble
All seeing immortal god slayer vs block man with muscles, yeah 2 cosmic entities fr.
6 block man with muscles*
@@Mr.Pixelated meat rider
@@koolaidmansam8yearsago273 average minecraft player behavior
@@koolaidmansam8yearsago273 Also your comment history is just full of you spamming the same "Steve beats mid terrarian" phrase. Crazy oversight on your end lil bro.
16:36 i mean the terrarian can carry the void and like hundreds of thousands of solar fragments in his bags i think they're definitely stronger physically
Minecraft: also try terraria
Terraria: also try minecraft
Bro, forgot about the bottomless water, bucket and lava bucket💀
No, there's just no parallel in Minecraft
@@Throarbin the water bucket holds infinite water due to the infinite water source glitch
@@Throarbin also hi
steve also has a bottomless water bucket, when placed on the ground, the source fills infinite water bottles
@@LBTVGAMES well, that's a glitch, which I said I'd not be taking into account. But not a bad point
12:10 they also share the slime spider and skeleton
0:13 "ah i see, you deny your weapon its purpose" ahh picture
when you just realise that terraria summon class summon unkill-able beasts that will auto track you
Dont even gotta go that far. He literally bs’d his way through trying to ignore a certain green bullet 😉
entity insta kill tactic.
if they count as entities they will die
Steve can use a certain method
@@irrelevanttroll3312 How can you insta kill in minecraft?
@@maxhillai8219 u summon alot of mobs n put them on a machine which forces it to exceed the limit of entities killing all entities in the chunk
@@irrelevanttroll3312
Outside of Story mode, there is no canonical way to create a command black. As far as we know, lore wise- it was a unique relic of a bygone era that Steve cannot canonically access.
To deny the Terrarian their canonical 3D dimensionality, whilst giving Steve a dubiously canon at best God block is unfair.
Minecraft Steve: totems, strong armor, fought a dragon
Terrarian: Fought gods, Domain Expansion: Glass Prism
Terrarian: Domain expansion: GAY RAY
@@The-best_camera Domain Expansion: Pride Month
@@Tuntor689 Fix:
Minecraft Steve: beat the God of ender (the broken/vengedul heart of ender), can cheat death, can oneshot kill no matter HP unless cheating death, and many more
Both are at the same level as the other
@@Harbin_07 First of all, Terrarian can face take an eldritch horror. Second, Terrarian can teleport. Third, the Terrarian has been seen to dodge light(empress of light attacks dodged by Terrarian with black belt, brain Cthulhu, or master ninja gear)
@@Harbin_07 I don't think you realise how absolutely one sided this is, to quote directly from the vsbattles wiki (the people who spend ungodly amounts of time researching this stuff) Steve's attack potency is city block level, the Terrarian's durability at the very start of the game is city block level+ (scaling from king slime), by the endgame he's dwarf star level.
Simplifying all of those complicated terms, this basically means that Steve from Minecraft at full power is BARELY able to hurt the new game Terrarian, a post moonlord terrarian would absolutely obliterate Steve.
And before you accuse me of glazing I greatly enjoy both games, I don't really have a favourite but I've been playing Minecraft longer.
Minecraft has infinite water with a water bucket
terraria literally has an item called infinite water bucket
also why are u comparing water when lava is heavier
Because infinite water and infinite lava are as heavy as each other aka infinite kg
As a Minecraft die-hard fan that's never played Terraria
as soon as I heard "Both of these characters at their peak", knowing how immeasurably harder Terraria is than Minecraft, I accepted that Steve was going to lose
Steve will win becuse the mace can deal infinite demage
@@This_is_a_normal_namethorns potion
@@This_is_a_normal_namedodge it
@@This_is_a_normal_namethe Terrarian has multiple items that give him i-frames to "dodge" attacks. That "infinite damage" is worthless.
I think if they wanted to give Steve a realistic and fair chance they should have mentioned things other than just sword damage output, things like End crystals, god apples, ebderpearls and instant damage arrows or poison, also new things like mace, jus feel like they could have been mentioned to give steve a fair chance
This is not even a debate bro
Steve is killing 1 Dragon, while Terrarian is casually killing a Lovecraftian God for it's loot.
Terrarian>>>>>>>Steve
terrarian cant punch
@@Ethan_Cubed who brings a sword, bow and a fist to a gunfight
@KairoKunGaming Steve doesn't have guns. He lives in fantasy medieval world.
counting piggy banks and safes but not counting ender chests is devious
also, if the terrarian can use the zenith, steve should AT LEAST be able to use a multishot firework crossbow (one in each hotbar slot, preloaded)
part of me kinda imagines steve flying around with an elytra while plinking the terrarian with firework.
He's counting shulker boxes chill
i think the ender chest is on the same wave as the void bag
an interdimensional pocket of storage
Enderchests are the same thing as void bag which is a seperate dimension, plus he counts shulker boxes so it aint even needed, plus even with crossbows the damage doesn't come anywhere close to scratching the terrarian's defense in PRE Heardmode let alone the end of the game
zenith still melts steve
Aw heck yeah I should watch this instead of going to bed!
6:47 that's completely inaccurate, the world of Terraria is very clearly three dimensional, otherwise the parallax setting wouldn't exist and there would be no background tiles or actual background to see in the background 🤷🤦
Yeah, however we can't see it in three dimensions, so there's no way to know the full area of it?
@@kxs4899 educated guesses,it's not gonna be paper thin nor absurdly wide
@jon.arbuckle. okay but either way it's going to be inaccurate and likely not affect the final result
@kxs4899 not as inaccurate as sayings it's PAPER THIN, like you cam agree on am educated guess which makes the most sense, it's like me saying we don't know how much inventory steve has, what if its just a pocket dimension, makes.no sense in the terms of this argument
@jon.arbuckle. I mean it isn't really worth crying over when the side that's losing strength from calling it paper thin wins anyways no?
Shulkerboxes may cancel out the weight in universe, their inhabitants do work with removing gravity from aggressors.
Their habitants does but the shulker doesn't, you terrarian
@@redstocat5455 im not a terrarian.
@@redstocat5455 So the lid just hovers through some other means when you open it? Could just be game design, but the anti-gravity stuff makes a lot more sense flavor-wise.
Its in an another dimension tho (shulkers spawn in end) I think they have magic or something
Its kinda hard to even compare the two cause their games are so different despite being pretty similar. All we can do is compare feats we can’t really know what would happen if they fought on the same playing field.
Terraria wins in an even playing field where theres no glitches, bugs, or dimension differences
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