What IS Teen’s Origin? Agatha All Along Episode 5 Review and Reaction
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- Опубліковано 9 жов 2024
- Did we finally get the Wiccan reveal we've been waiting for? What is Teen's backstory? And why is Rio SO protective of Agatha? Join Erik Voss, Jessica Clemons, Brandon Barrick, and Zach Huddleston as they discuss all this and more!
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I may have to go back and watch but i thought the "Mom stop" sounded like one of the scenes from multiverse of madness
Wanda got teleported to witches road at the end of MoM. When the mountain collapsed on her, that little flash of red light was her being sent to that dimension. Cthon, Mephisto, her Chaos majic, TVA or something protected her.. or made a deal with her that she could get her kids back if they all made it through the witches road? Billy's looking for Wanda now, just like how she could hear him and Tommy crying out for her across dimensions at the end of WandaVision in the cabin. I bet Speed is next to reunite in VisionQuest. And that sigil put on Billy was totally meant to protect his identity so Agatha wouldn't try taking him out immediately, cuz lord knows she hates Wanda now. Either M for Maximoff or Mephisto. We'll see wanda for the special presentation, if we are lucky. I know people say her contract is up, but look at RDJ coming back out of no where, she can easily get a new contract going and sign an NDA, like Andrew and Tobey did.. easy. If I don't see her at the end, I will honestly be let down. I think Billy's extremely look alike crown as Wanda's is a big ass hint.
An argument for it being Teen's trial is also that he lost his spell book so from now on he has to use his knowledge and "hidden" now out in the open power. As if he was using it as a crutch.
The spirit didn't actually claim to be death. The question was "Who is with us?" to which they answered "Death."
I think this is a manifestation of Wanda's son Billy created by Mephisto. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a Mephisto cameo explaining the ins and outs of why Billy is in this universe by the end of the series.
I feel that ppl forget that Teen had powers strong enough to see Wanda's spell over Agatha and he was able to break the spell. I hope we get to see him exercise more of his powers
I couldn't help but feel like the spirit may not have been claiming to be death. but exposing Rio. They just asked who was with them but didn't specifically ask who the spirit was.
I wonder if they got the idea of the having to give a broom to/get a broom from someone else from the general belief with tarot cards that you are not supposed to purchase a deck for yourself?
In a weird way this episode made me sympathetic to Agatha. Its showed she has layers and confirmed she lets people see what they want because she keeps leaving hard situations. Also sorry for Alice, do with for her to come back
Lilia trial has to be next. All the leaves and trees wear Yellow at the end of the last episode. I think he or the road brings them out of the mud. In a preview Agatha is covered in mud and said last one there is a NICE Person like taunting Teen what he said about not wanting be a with. But we also see Jenn coming out of mud in West View in a trailer. Odd….we haven’t seen what Jenn endured being bound. Maybe they are all flash back as they go thru mud…
Few things:
1. Anyone think it was weird that Rio laughed when DEATH showed up on the Ouija board?
2. At what point did Agatha figure out who Teen is? Or was that in his head?
3. Alice knows that Lilia sees the future… “Alice, no!” She should have known there was something she shouldn’t do. She could have prevented her own death. This is actually a misconception people have about psychics; just because you can see the future, doesn’t mean you can do anything about it.
4. What if Rio Vidal isn’t Death? She is a woman (symbol often of birth), she wears black & wants bodies (symbol of death) … a comment by some mothers is “I gave you life, I can end it too” alpha and omega … “maiden, mother, crone” or more known as the Triple Faced Goddess HECATE, also Goddess of the moon and witchcraft. Hecate did have one appearance in a Scarlet Witch comic. So could this be a different take on her?
So if Alice died, why is her actress still credited for the upcoming episodes? (I mean, it's not like Sharon is still credited)
Lilia and Jennifer were definitely not in control of their actions at the end there.
Maybe I'm off base, but I am wondering if Evanora was a bad mom who was abusive to Agatha, calling her a bad seed, and that just pushed her over the edge into going villain.
It is interesting that Billy's magic resembles the Salemite's magic. Evanora had a blyr spectral crown not unlike Wanda's in Wandavision, so I wonder if there's a connection.
What if the Darkhold is somehow sentient and it wasn't truly destroyed, but it's physical form was just destroyed and in some kind of Voldemort way is trying to recreate itself in the form of Teen's spell book?
I think it's a misdirect that joe locke is possessed by Nicolas because the last scene with the ouji board he touched it after Nickolas scratch called to agatha and at the end she could sense his presence
Instead of Wanda seeing her mom on the road as in the comics, Billy sees wanda and learns the he is a twin from her.
Ummm i felt that the witches going against agatha was like all of them were in control of something weird and teen was not in control because he is a familiar.
Also similarly when agatha got the powers she snatched them because she couldn’t control. Similarly she couldn’t control when she killed the salem 7
Thats why she was born evil because the moment she gets power the power overtakes her like sentries other half.
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Loved this episode. I really feel like Wiccan sending them all underground is going to be how they all end up in the underground science lab bunker trial. I think that’s going to be the earth trial for Rio. And we might learn what she meant about keeping the bodies of the dead now that Alice may be gone. And that would be interesting as an opportunity for Alice to return. Dead or alive. Since they summoned Rio to the road and let the Salem 7 in, I wonder how they’ll keep moving the pace forward.
? It didnt look like Agatha kept Alison’s power it fizzed out and her face shows how shocked/disappointed before teen came out. Also was that really Evenora? When Rio said no to leaving Agatha with mom. Evenora practically chest bumps at Rio and Rio steps back a bit. WHY would Death (Rio) be afraid of a ghost. I think something came in the first time Agatha took hands off board.
Something I noticed rewatching the episode after this, when Lillia goes “I hated this the first time” and Teen goes “Lillia’s being weird again,” I actually don’t think Lillia was having a premonition. I think this was the moment of her first premonition in the kitchen, where she screams and covers her ears. Further, “Try to save Agatha” from episode 3 could be Lillia having a premonition of her last fleeting moments after Teen releases the spell before being flung into the mud. That being said, it would leave a gap where “I love you guys” doesn’t really fit. But I think there is something to Lillia’s premonitions finally catching up
I think the "I love you guys" fits in the scene where they're bonding around the campfire and she only completes half her sentence.
I think the reason that Billy/teen didn’t last Agatha himself because he knew she would try to steal his powers. Could that be a theory?
Don't you lose your powers when you enter the road? Did i make that up? How does he have powers on the road? Idk if i believe what we saw at the end of the episode
I think the spirit was saying “Death punish Agatha” as i Rio punish Agatha idk if they was saying death is punishing Agatha or telling death to punish her. I feel like Rio appears and than disappears when Teen does something like for example when he broke into her home , the interrogation room and when Teen uses his powers. I don’t trust either one of them I feel like they are working together .
For a small group show how does Rio keep disappearing?
His name being Billy and they play Billie eilish it’s kinda basic but great
They said Wanda (Scarlet Witch) “is a being capable of spontaneous creation & can rewrite reality”, correct me if I’m wrong but that sounds like a God already what’re y’all talking about that would make her a god, she already teetering on it
as someone who was spoilt about rio’s identity, i’ve actually really been enjoying the breadcrumbs they’ve been leaving for it, im really curious to see how the next episode starts since she was absent from this end of the one, hopefully she and billy have a scene together
Idk how much this matters👀👀👀👀 but Wandas powers manifest as red and wiccans as blue..red and blue make purpleeee, who is missing their "purple" 👀👀👀👀👀👀
Jessica confused the Rio "scar" line from last week, she called Agatha her scar she never said she left a scar on this person and regrets it. She was actually really vindictive about it too
GUYS RIO WASN’T OUTSIDE WITH THEM SHE MAYBE DEALING WITH ALICE BODY BECAUSE SHE SAID “I GET MY BODYS” SO SHE MAY BE DEALTH AND THEY WILL SHOW THAT NEXT EPISODE TO PROVE THAT!!!
Ooouuu that’s probably true!
she also said she hates ghosts
It'd be cool if Rio stayed behind to bring Alice back to life, maybe a favor for Agatha? As @EdolasMystogan pointed out, the actress for Alice is credited in episodes 2-9
Wait... Why is this Unlisted?
It's really TEEN all along,, I think he put that sigil on himself to keep himself hidden. And I think he is doing all of this to find his mother "wanda"
Rio laughed when it said it was death cus she knew it was lying
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