This is when my frustrations with Lori just went into dislike. And I've heard the conversations where people said she was just upset that Carl had to put Shane down. But she had already pulled away physically before Rick even said that. She was a huge instigator in the whole Rick Shane mess and then acted like she was this pitiful victim in all of it. Plus, if she had been paying attention to where Carl was he wouldn't have had to put Shane down. Of course I'm glad Carl went outside because he saved Rick . But still....Lori pissed me off here and that stayed with me a while lol. At least with Carol and a few of the others questioning Rick, they have only known him for a little while so I could see why they , in that moment, may have been upset or questioning his not telling them what Jenner said. I also think that until Shane Rick wasn't even sure if Jenner was telling the truth because, let's face it, Jenner had acted pretty crazy trying to keep them locked in for his death party. But Lori knows him better than anyone supposedly and she should know his heart . She acted like she was afraid of him and angry. Ugh. lol. I was psyched by Rick's speech that started the Ricktatorship. It made me happy lol. He needed to speak his mind then because everyone was panicked and seemed to forget that Rick had been constantly taking care of everyone with little regard for himself. lol, okay I've rambled enough. Great reaction as alwAys y'all 😊
@@amyfmc1 Lorie was in love with Shane and not with Rick anymore and was torn and that's why she started talking to Shane again, because she was going to cheat on Rick with Shane and Rick understood this, but Lorie was pregnant, plus Carol wouldn't understand especially in this world.
I think the reason Lori reacted the way she did because deep down she did have feelings for Shane but wouldn’t admit it/lying to herself. She might also believe the baby is his. Ricks reaction to her reaction makes me think he just realized that himself.
I am completely with you on this. That's what I got from her reaction. It's the first thought I had and it stayed with me for a while. I think when she went out to the windmill to talk to Shane and she said to him that "no matter what you thought it was between us, and not just you, me too, I'm sorry " she was admitting that it had been real for her with real feelings. And I think at that point that he was completely done with Rick and decided Lori, Carl , and the baby had to belong to him no matter what.
@@amyfmc1 Yeah, I've always felt like she was way more torn between Rick and Shane than she let on. It may have been that she was over her marriage with Rick before he was shot & the apocalypse started. She may have only been staying in the marriage for Carl's sake at that point, and after she presumes Rick is dead, she has this thing with Shane that is fresh and new for her and you have to wonder if she may have been a little disappointed deep down that Rick was alive afterall.
I think Rick knew from the beginning that the baby wasn't his. I think *everyone* knew that. When Rick insisted the baby was his he meant that Shane had no more business with his family, it's the easiest way to cut it out until Lori told Shane she didn't know who's the baby's dad (Fuck Lori).
She never said she wanted him dead. The actress interview clarifies what she meant..but she never wanted him to kill Shane, she isn't upset about the self-defense, she is upset about him wanting to, she is afraid he'll turn into the person Shane is, also Carl losing his innocence upset her too..plus she is hormonal due to pregnancy and Shane may be baby daddy and also like an uncle to Carl...that is understandable reasons to me to be upset to me..but of course it's Rick "the hero" so no one can be upset at him or blame him for anything🙄(yes I know he makes better decisions etc and he made the right desicion about Shane)but still my emotions would be all over the place too if my husband killed one of our best friends, my child's uncle persay and my child shot the person as well...Lori is being realistic and sometimes realistic is messy and emotional.
totesmegoats crystal so you’re saying that she expects Rick to not kill Shane after he planned the whole Randall thing to deliberately kill him? And also she basically implied for Rick to kill Shane in that one scene cuz she built up that fuel for him “Shane thinks I’m his, You would do whatever to protect yours right”
@@kdizzle901 btw you can see him reload several times but he is in the BACKGROUND haha, like sometimes they show Lori saving herself and you can see Hershel reloading haha
That image of Hershel standing alone in front of the house blasting away at the walkers with the burning barn in the distance gives me chills every time!
Yeah, now you understand why most don't like Lori. She does Rick super dirty here. Rick immediately forgave Lori and Shane's indiscretion, but she ends up turning her back on him after he does what she suggested he do with Shane. He said what he did at the end because they're all whispering and questioning him, but relying on him when it's convenient. So, he's just angry because he's done so much for them and now they seem to be turning on him the way Lori did.
I think Lori was upset but could've managed it if it was just hearing that Rick killed Shane... but as a mother hearing that her son was the one who had to put walker-shane down, that triggers her over to something other than supportive wife of the year. If we learn anything it is that Lori is extremely protective of Carl and doesn't even want him near a gun. Probably not the best disposition in a zombie apocalypse, but eh, she is the way she is.
@@Egobyte83I never hated Lori like most people do, but calling her extremely protective of carl is a serious exaggeration seeing as how she's never watching that dang kid.
Rick didn't blowup because the group was against him (Or at least not entirely), it was because of Lori. When Lori gave Rick a look of disgust after confessing that he killed Shane, that's the moment Rick snapped. Rick told Lori once that while he can take it from the others he couldn't when it came to Lori, she's his rock and the one thing he needs to his side and when that was no longer the case Rick exploded.
The actress that plays Lori said in an interview that her reaction was about fearing that Rick can turn into Shane when she heard he "wanted to kill," and also knowing Carl lost his innocence by putting Shane down.
Lori is just pissed she no longer has two best friends fighting over her. A few episodes ago she is whispering in Rick's ear about how dangerous Shane is, planting the idea that he needs to be stopped/killed. She was also asking Shane to not leave and thanking him for all he has done. Now gets upset at the very act she planted the seed for. Lori stinks!!
@@DuoReacts Lori is the proverbial hot mess. Think back to season 1 when Rick is talking to Daryl about Merle and Daryl says, "just tell me where he is so I can go get him." Lori jumps in and says, "He'll show you." A few minutes later Lori to Rick- "You're leaving?!"
@@MrCdub88 I agree, I think Lori was upset but could manage it if it was just rick-kills-shane... but as a mother hearing that her son was the one who had to put walker-shane down, that pisses her off.
Lol the infinite ammo shotgun has been a running joke with TWD community since this episode aired. That scene is iconic. 😂😂😂 Another great reaction from you guys. I can’t wait for the season 3 reactions. Season 3 is definitely one of my favorite seasons of TWD and is the season that really blew the show up in popularity. It seemed like everyone started watching this show after season 3.
The helicopter in the opener is the same one that was briefly shown in Season 1. It is also the same scene. So the Walkers are already in the direction of Farm since Season 1. So it took quite a while to reach the farm. Always following the sounds. Lori is not so shocked because shane is dead, but because Carl killed him. Carl killed his best friend or part-time father here. Rick said that there is no democracy anymore, because it has always been just quarrels. Everyone wanted something different (Shane and Rick), which then (almost) escalated every time. Now someone tells you where to go and the others follow or can say goodbye.
I summed up the season as this: Carl's stupid, Rick is a badass, Shane is crazy, Dale is dead, Lori is just the worst, Hershel is stubborn, Glenn is confused, Maggie is confusING, Andrea is awesome, Daryl is smart, Carol is desperate, and T-dog is there. Idk if I forgot anyone.
I truly feel that Lori was just angry when she heard that Carl is the one who put Shane down. before that she was saddened but understood why Rick killed him. she only pushed his arm away after hearing about Carl putting Shane down IMO
When Daryl talks about his mom in season 3, he says something to the effect of he was playing with neighbourhood kids who were on bikes and he watched his family's trailer burn down with his mom inside when he was about Carl's age. Knowing that and watching this gives a little bit of insight as to why Daryl was sitting watching the barn burn down.
Kevin Evans when I heard that it leaves a lot to the imagination like if a baby dies inside it’s mother does it turn as well? I would think it would.... but yes that is a no win situation it seems.
IMO, Rick was way wrong for keeping that information from everyone. They had a right to know. What if Carl had died from the gunshot wound and Lori held him while she was grieving? What if Beth had succeeded in committing suicide? They need to know about all the dangers they face.
@@DuoReacts i dont think it would because i think you get infected once you breathe the bacteria in the air and baby's dont breathe so i dont think they would when they are in the womb
chapinENnyc Thanks-and I am sure hoping this mystery person is a good guy but unfortunately this person could be a psycho leading two walkers around as a pet. Steve
LPS Creations That fire looked real and it was probably one of the biggest fires I have ever seen! This show is so awesome from the actors, script, music, and visuals. Incredible! Steve
@@DuoReacts Can not remember if it was on Talking Dead or on one of the extras on dvd, but they said, they (TWD Set Crew) built the barn w/ every intention of burning it down, 😀
3rd season my fav!!!! Rick states this is not a democracy anymore because Shane/everyone debating his actions divides the group, he needs people on the same page and have faith in his decisions so he can lead and protect. Plus he was tired of everyone 2nd guessing him. And this episode is why i hate Lori. Love the mystery character!
I just LOVE that music swelling in as that prison comes into view. You guys are so lucky the next episode is readily available! Hahah. Can you imagine waiting half a year for the next episode?
Good luck on figuring out Lori’s mindset, I have to assume it was because Carl had to put Shane down, but her reaction starts before that info is given. Like I’ve said before, Lori is the queen of bad decisions. On another note, I love that you instantly called the dark figure at the ends walkers their pets! Who do you think that is, and do you think they will be friend or foe?
I am ready for them to see the dark figure and learn all about the walkers with no arms, lol. gosh I wanna tell but I won't. I'll just yell at my monitor while duo reacts to each scene and so on and so forth.
Lisa Calkins my thought is whoever it is I hope their on the good side lol. But we are due for a bad heel so to speak, and anyone who leads walkers around on chains as pets has to be a bit crazy. Steve
Just a little story, March 10th 2018 I broke my pelvic it was a SaturdayI checked myself out on Sunday morning cause the hospital didn't have AMC or TWD against doctor's orders but, I told him I have never missed an episode and I am not starting now. just thought I'd share...
Questions for the live stream: Do you prefer this season or season 1? If you had to guess three characters that would die next who would they be? If you had to have a council of three or four people to make decisions for the group who would you have on it and why? Have to say Hershel's quote about resurrecting the dead is one of my favorites of the show.
About the Lori scene this is my take on the subject based on the scene alone and also one interview Sarah Wayne Callies (Lori’s actress) did way back when S2 ended. Lori isn’t actually mad at Rick when Rick says he killed Shane she’s kinda shocked and you know kinda sad after all Shane did matter to her and to Rick as well when Rick says he wanted to kill Shane she’s scared that he may be turning into the new Shane (and that final scene with the beginning of the Ricktatorship didn’t help it either) But what really destroys her is to learn that Carl was the one to put him down she’s blaming both herself and Rick for not being able to protect Carl from the horrors of this new world we can clearly see how much Carl is changing and now he had to kill someone who meant a lot to him at that moment she’s feeling so many things and she can’t process it she doesn’t want anyone touching her or talking to her she just need a moment to herself so she can take a breath and process everything. You can see it all in the facial and corporal expressions of Lori you can see she’s still close to Rick and absorbing all the information that Rick is giving to her I killed him/ I wanted to kill him however that bigger reaction only happens after Rick says Carl put him down you can see that’s when she goes away and don’t want Rick to touch her she wasn’t scared or angry at him she just needed a moment to take a breath and process everything.
Somehow I don't think Hershel had a sign on his fence that says "tresspass it's your ass." They are in the Baptist south and Hershell was the town veterinarian and devout-ish Christian. That would have been a weird thing for him to represent him and his family as......hillbillys
Here we are in the controversial Lori reaction! If anyone still liked her, in this episode she's hated by the majority of fans! To me, Lori knew how dangerous Shane was, but she never really believed, as confused as it must sound lol Hearing Rick saying it made all her feelings go crazy mixed with the pregnancy hormones.
Hershel's unlimited ammo who could forget. One of the many things that was weird with Darabont in charge like the walkers running and climbing fences and holding rocks and picking up stuffed animals glad they got rid of him when they did or he would've had them talking by season 5
Hershel looking back at the destruction of his family’s farm as they were driving away...so sad. ETA: I think Lori got upset at Rick because of him telling her that Carl was the one who put down Shane.
Thanks for the reaction! You guys were so right with your prediction about dying and turning into a walker, even if you're not bitten. Looking forward to seeing how you call the next season. I think yes, Lori was pissed about Carl putting Shane down, and what that might do to Carl. But also there were some feelings there about Rick killing Shane. And about Shane being gone. Even though she knew it had to happen. Knowing a thing has to happen and then it actually happening are two different things. She's a pain in the butt, but she's also human.
I despised Lori from the start, but as soon as she treated Rick THAT way in THIS episode (after she basically told Rick to kill Shane --in the tent on the farm), I LOATHED her.
Staying in the house with a walker hoard is probably not the best place. Keep in mind they’re in the country and the house had lights on inside which would attract them. I would rather take my chances outside of the the confined house. More options.
I have always felt what upset Lori was the fact that Carl had to put a reanimated Shane down. She as mom didn’t want a young Carl to be affected by the world they live in. She wanted him to stay as untouched by it as possible. Unfortunately, we all know that is not doable. Also, Hershel’s magic shotgun😂😂 Questions for live stream... 1. We got a glimpse of a new character, the dark figure who saved Andrea. Is it a man or woman? Why do you think this person has 2 walkers on chains? Do you feel this person is a threat? 2. Do you think Andrea will ever reunite with the group? 3. Do you think our group could return to the farm? 4. In comparing s2 to s1, do you see the evolution that each character experienced? Examples: s1 Rick to s 2 Rick. S1 Carl to s2 Carl and so on. 5. Which character do you feel has had the most growth and change since s1? 6. Now that you’ve seen the how gunshot sounds affect walkers, do you feel that guns are the best weapon of choice? 7. What are your predictions for s3? Lacie/Steve Steve/Lacie absolutely love your reactions!! Such a cute duo! Can’t wait for live stream and future reactions!! I feel like a made 2 friends!! ❤️❤️
There is no exactly explanation for Lori Lol, But I think she blamed Rick that why he let Carl killed Shane as this young because he didn't explained the situation clearly. To be honest, she didn't take care of Carl the way that she supposed to as well, always let him away from her sight.
I raised two vvery active boys. One with ADHD, who ran away in all directions when we were out shopping, or walking, etc. So I get the whole..."he's a boy, and boys explore" thing. I never blamed Carl. It's what boys (especially) do. Lori needed better parenting skills. 'Keep your child near you at all times, Lori - especially when danger is at every turn.'
I think Lori's main anger came from Carl's part in the scenario. But how the eff wouldn't she be pissed at herself for letting Carl escape her view during a crisis.
Dead Fan also when she was talking to rick in ep.9 of this season and she’s like he’s dangerous and he won’t stop and he’s scaring everyone and then when the problem is fixed she flips out
@@ryanstwdchannel Lori's perhaps the most inconsistently written character in the series. Half of what she says and does makes the viewers scratch their heads.
I think a big reason walkers stay in herds/groups is because they're all attracted to noise, and if a few of them head one way because of noise, they'll eventually make noise too (such as banging on doors, etc.) and then nearby walkers will hear and come over too. A single gunshot could attract just a small group or even less than that that could eventually form a herd. You would also have massive herds like the one in Atlanta in episode one, say, and then smaller groups merging with that one and it just continues until you get something like what you see at the farm. Man, I never get tired of Daryl's development. Last time Lori asked him to search for Rick he flipped out on her and this time he immediately agreed and so kindly. Also, the scene of him giving Rick that handshake when just earlier this season he was like "or are just chattin?". He used to be so hand waving toward Rick sometimes but now they're so close. Daryl also could have just took off by himself when they lost the farm but he stayed back for a while. I think he may have been watching the farm because it was kind of the place he really got accepted in the group and was sad to see it go, but also possibly waiting for anyone who needed help. Also he got everyone together in the end and I LOVE that. GHHHH I love Daryl so much, y'all. That man deserves the biggest of bear hugs. "There's no way they have enough ammo for all of them." HAHAAA, YOU HAVEN'T HEARD OF INFINITE AMMO HERSHEL, HAVE YOU? God lmao that scene is just hilarious with that constant shooting. It just looks like a video game. Hershel must have got some kind of elderly benefits or something. 😂 I like how before Beth was telling Maggie that Rick and his group wouldn't save their family. Like, yeah, Jimmy and Patricia did die, but Lori really did what she could to save Beth, Glenn stuck with Maggie and did everything he could to keep her calm, and Rick did everything he could to get Hershel to go with him and not waste his life there like that. This was a really good thing she was proven wrong about and I think it made her wake up a bit and realize they wouldn't just abandon them. With Patricia there was no choice because she was already being attacked, but just like with Rick and Hershel there was no way Lori was going to just let go of Beth and let Beth die there too. I love how Rick's group does everything they can for Hershel's family because Hershel's family did everything they could for Carl in the beginning (and let's be honest if Hershel really wanted them off his farm he could have kicked them out a long, long time ago before he even realized walkers weren't just sick people). They probably didn't choose to stay in the house because if they did stay and were quiet, if the walkers didn't move on and hung around (or noticed Rick and Carl going to the house and some wandered there which would eventually create a larger group over there), the group would lose their only chance to escape. Like, if they did stay but got trapped that would be the definite end, versus this one chance they had while the walkers were distracted by the fire to get out and run. I think in the end they decided to run because it gave them better odds than risking getting surrounded and either starved out (and tbh how much movement could they even do to get food if the walkers were hanging around) or the walkers potentially taking the house down. I guess it was the lesser of two evils in this case to run while they had their best shot at it. It's really ironic imo that Shane doing what he did with Rick was ultimately the cause of Hershel losing his home. All this time he wanted Shane off his land and didn't trust him and then in the end he was right - that very same person did something that caused the noise that attracted the walkers to the farm. I felt so bad for him when he looked out the back window and was watching his farm being overrun. :( I do really love though how him, Rick and Carl ended up together when everyone got separated. They've been through a lot and it all started with Carl. By the end of the episode I really feel a good bond between Rick and Hershel. Hershel smiling when everyone showed up was so sweet and adorable! I love Hershel. To this day I still don't fully understand Lori's reaction to Rick toward the end. I've always figured it was an overreaction to being overwhelmed between hearing Carl put Shane down (even if as a walker because she's the one who didn't want him using a gun to begin with) and because Rick killed someone he cared about. I think she's probably scared of both aspects and also maybe even mad at herself? Like maybe she thinks (realizes? idk) that she's the reason Rick went that far (though really he had no choice so it's not like he did it it willingly). I guess after everything that just happened and with everyone panicking she freaked out. Sometimes people react oddly in stressful situations and very impulsively, so I've always figured that was what this was. It definitely confuses me though because I don't feel like we have enough context on her end to really... get why she reacts this way? I find it really odd tbh and I feel like it's a bit of poor writing. Normally I can understand character motivations at least a bit, but this one is just a bunch of questions for me. All I can really guess is that she's afraid that Rick and/or Carl are becoming /like/ Shane and she's afraid of that and the other stuff I mentioned. Like, is she /blaming/ Rick? Because I don't get why she would since she seemed understanding at first? ??? I guess maybe Rick saying he just wanted it dead and he wanted Shane dead didn't really help, but yikes. Maybe she's scared of what Rick could become, because she saw Shane become similar and look how that turned out. Animal Crossing question mark above my head tbh. Ngl I can't stand how Carol treats Rick. She treats him like shit and like he's /using/ everyone. Like, nobody else ran after your daughter to save her when she got up and ran. Yes Daryl went looking for her multiple times but Rick never stopped searching and kept /insisting/ they continued searching despite what happened to Carl and despite Shane telling him over and over to move on. She's incredibly ungrateful to Rick imo. To even say he thinks of Daryl as his henchman just really shot her to the bottom of my list for the people in this group tbh. She's been awful to him this entire season, but that's just... :/ I get people don't like Lori for not doing anything for the group really, but... neither did Carol and Carol turns around and treats people like shit after all the effort they put into looking for her daughter while she sat around moping. Like, I'm sorry, but being a former abused wife doesn't give you the right to treat other people trying to help you like shit. If that was my kid I'd be taking part in the gun training and doing what I could to look for my kid and go out with the stronger people in the group so they could watch out for me but so I could also be out there, get real practice and be able to look. I'm not sure if I liked Rick's speech at the end so much as I just understand it. He's hurt and pissed off and just so done. I don't agree with it, but he's also right. I think Daryl COULD lead but I don't think he wants to and I don't think anyone else in the group is capable of leading the way Rick does or better. Nobody got up and left either, so imo that does prove him right. It was emotional and impulsive and kind of harsh, but he's right. Also, in a way he is saying he wants to protect the group still, but that they can't keep doubting him and being all broken up. If they don't get themselves together and they don't trust him, he can't protect them. He cares about them but he can't lead a group that's so divided. It's like, I care about you and if I have to take drastic measures to keep this group alive, that's what I'm gonna do. I love your ideas of doing post season livestreams. Do you plan to do that every season? I think it's fun honestly, even if I end up missing them. I watched your two hour livestream video after it was posted but the discussions were great. Looking forward to this new one too.
yeah Hershel used an unlimited ammo hack and i think lori was upset that Carl put down Shane. Rick didn't really explain that Carl just walked up and did it. For all she knew Rick let him.
Welcome to "Everyone Hates Lori". Yeah, her actions in these last few episodes, turned a lot of people against her. No, you guys didn't miss anything. This shift in character is as jarring this time through, as it was the first time. Also as others have said, say hello to the Ricktatorship. The fun never ends. Good luck guessing who or what that person who rescued Andrea is. Great reaction. I look forward to Season 3. Until then, keep on keeping on. I'm lovin' the ride.
The person with the sword who saved Andrea. What d’you think? What reason could they have for leading walkers around on chains? I always love it when new people are introduced. I get mixed feelings of excitement and uncertainty because you don’t know who they are or what their story is. You could hate them, or - as has happened a few times for me - they could become some of your favourite characters on the show.
Blair Kilgallon I was going to ask them the same thing. I remember the feeling of seeing this figure with walkers. It was so exciting, couldn’t wait for season 3!
I always found it funny how the walkers went from all the way from Atlanta to Hershel’s farm. Makes me think of a nature documentary for some reason. Other then that I loved the scenes with their final stand at the farm which is both badass and heartbreaking
I'm not 100% sure but I think Lori is mad at Rick, because she thinks Rick told Carl or Allowed him to shoot Walker Shane. Maybe she just misunderstood the situation.
That is some of it, I reread the interview, it was mainly cuz he wanted to kill shane..not because it was Shane but because he, "wanted" to and she was afraid he would turn into Shane due to that.
Lori still had feelings for Shane this whole time, they didn't just go away, hence all the mixed signals. She was confused about how she felt. Remember, she always wanted Shane to leave but never wanted him to go. When Rick starts talking about having to kill him she immediately starts backing away trying to process it. This builds and builds until Rick Mentions Carl being the one that put him down, and that was the last straw.
@@totesmegoatscrystal9688 I saw that but an actors idea of a character, and how they are portrayed by the people running the show, are two different things. Jon Bernthal played Shane's death as it was his intention to make Rick kill him, even wanted his gun to be revealed as unloaded after Rick stabbed him. But that's not how it was presented.
So apparently according to the creators of the show and the actress that plays Lori she reacted the way she did because she was pissed that Karl had to kill walker Shane. She was pissed because it was getting rid of Karl's innocence. Though to me personally it didn't look like that and looked like she was pissed that Shane was dead. Its one of those confusing parts in a show were the creator sees it one way, and when the watchers see it another way. Like in Game of Thrones when during Joffery's funeral it looked like to everyone that Jamie was raping Cersi, when the creators said that wasn't what was happening and it was just rough sex.
everyone's reaction after Rick tells them they're all infected will disappoint me all my life because the decisions he made he made them for the group. Rick does everything to protect them and they react without recognition ARRGHH
When walkers are grouped like this they're known as herds. Let's say a walker hears a gunshot and begins to follow it, if it ever comes across more walkers they would form a group going in the same direction and possibly encounter another group causing a merge. what you end up with is thousands of the undead, following a sound they've long since forgotten.
This is something I never understood. A group of walkers is called a herd, but a herd are vegetarian like a herd of deer or a herd of sheep. A group of meat eaters are called a pack like a pack of wolves. Zombies are not vegetarians so should they be called a pack of zombies?
@@lynncantrell5502 I think it's because of the numbers and not the actual nature of the herd. In a hunting pack it's usually a group of maybe 5 or 10 instead of a thousand. When not encountering people herds are really just wandering migrates
Ah...the memories... Hershel's infinite ammo cheat and the beginning of the Ricktatorship... Great episode! Looking forward to next season. Keep 'em coming!
I think Lori was more angry at the fact that Carl was the one who had to put Shane down. Before that it just seemed like she was observing everything that Rick was telling her
Maybe Lori's pissed off that CARL had to take down Shane's zombie body. It wasn't Rick's fault that Carl left the house, it was hers, but she blamed him. It could also be mixed in with her feelings for Shane.
Lady Macbeth realized. She wasn't acting. She was pissed, and afraid and on her high horse again. She set that up and now the spots on her hands won't come off. Yeah, nobody likes Lori.
She set it up? Did she set up the time Shane raised his gun on Rick? Or when Shane almost raped her? Or when he killed Otis? She set up all that as well?
Agreed, MavenCree. At the end of "Triggerfinger", Lori was practically BAITING Rick to take care of Shane. "You killed the living to protect what's yours? That's right. Shane thinks I'm his. He thinks the baby's his. And he says you can't protect us, that you're gonna get us killed. He's dangerous, Rick, and he won't stop." What did she think was gonna happen?
@@imcrystalclear3448 what did she think was going to happen? That Shane was going to try and kill Rick. And she was right wasnt she. Thank God she told him! Or else he would have been put in the woods with Shane looking for a dead Randle. Getting shot in the back. Had she not have warned him, you would have accused her of hiding it from Rick. Accuse her of wanting Rick to be killed. Everything she told Rick was the truth wasnt it. Yet you act like it was a lie. To wrongly turn him against Shane. Like it was all a lie. Rick would not kill Shane unless in defense. Lori knew that. Not sure why you dont know that.
Nope. You don't know me, or what I would think or say. And yes, she was right. Shane did try to kill Rick. So what the hell is her problem now? That Carl was the one who put Shane down? Where the hell was she when her son was running around in the woods at night? Lori's full of shit. First she warns Rick about how dangerous Shane is, then a couple of episodes later, goes to Shane and stupidly tells him that the feelings were mutual. That's right, Lori. Give hope to the man you're so afraid of killing your husband. All hail Lori Grimes, Queen of Mixed Signals!!
@@imcrystalclear3448 Its not mixed signals. She was trying to calm Shane. By giving him some appreciation. Hoping it would help him stop being angry. She only did that after Dale said how dangerous he was. She was in fear for Rick. She would say anything to stop that. As far as Carl, are we talking about her lack of parenting? Or are we talking abput her being accused of telling Rick to kill Shane? These are two different things. The writters insinuate she tells Carl where he can be. And he dont listen. She said "why wont he stay put?" But she should know by now that she cant trust Carl. So he should be in sight at all times. But she still had a right to be upset over Carl losing his innocence. His father is also responsible for Carl. And Rick was the one there. Although we saw how it went down. Lori feels Rick should not have allowed Carl to put down Shane. That is a reasonable feeling. If Rick explained how it went down, she would see his side. But this has nothing to do with accusing her of "baiting" Rick to kill Shane. She WARNED Rick that Shane was dangerous and may try to kill him. No different than what Dale told Lori. So with that logic, Dale baited Lori to kill Shane? No. All that was done was sharing information about Shane and who he really is.
The reason I hate Lori is she is so manipulative. Like, she'd be so angry at rick and Shane for things, and say something then turn around and change her mind and be angry that they did whatever she wanted them to do first. With Rick, she was like 'he'll show you' about Merle's location then turned around and was like 'you're just gunna leave us?' With Shane it's 'stay away from my family' then is all angry when Shane shrugs off Carl, and then says he is leaving, like it's a slight against her. She legit basically said that Shane needed to go, then is all upset that Rick told her he killed him, even when Shane was going to kill him first!!! She's very manipulative and so wishy washy, and I really hated that. The actress does a very good job of it, and I love her, I think it's a good thing whenever an actor/actress can get ANY sort of reaction out of someone, whether it's hate or love. So she definitely did a good job.
Did anyone else notice the brain splatter all over the back of Hershel 's head when Rick shot the walker behind him? I never noticed that before. That must have felt gross!
About the Lori scene, this is my take on the subject based on the scene alone and also one interview Sarah Wayne Callies (Lori's actress) did way back when S2 ended. Lori isn't actually mad at Rick. When Rick says he killed Shane she's kinda shocked and you know, kinda sad, after all Shane did matter to her and to Rick as well. When Rick says he WANTED to kill Shane, she's scared that he may be turning into the "new Shane" (and that final scene with the beginning of the Ricktatorship didn't help it either). But what really destroys her is to learn that Carl was the one to put him down. She's blaming both herself and Rick for not being able to protect Carl from the horrors of this new world, we can clearly see how much Carl is changing and now he had to kill someone who meant a lot to him. At that moment she's feeling so many things and she can't process it, she doesn't want anyone touching her or talking to her, she just need a moment to herself so she can breath and process everything. You can see it all in the facial and corporal expressions of Lori. You can see she's still close to Rick and absorbing all the information that Rick is giving to her "I killed him"/"I wanted to kill him", however that bigger reaction only happens after Rick says "Carl put him down", you can see that's when she goes away and don't want Rick to touch her, she wasn't scared. She just needed a moment to breath and process.
Question for the livestream... Jon Bernthal (Shane) said in 2012 at a fan event that originally Shanes death was supposed to be slightly different. When Rick begins to talk Shane down, Rick tosses his gun aside and tries to talk Shane down, and eventually stabs him just like he did in the show. But once Shane reanimated, Rick is too far from his gun and grabs Shanes gun only to realize that Shanes gun had no ammo in it, implying that Shane set up the whole Randall situation so that Rick would be forced to kill him and put him out of his misery. He couldn't accept Lori and Carl not being his and what the world had done to him, so he decided to make a plan and push Rick to murdering him. My question is, do you think that Shane actually would have gone through with killing Rick if Rick hadn't killed him? Or do you think Shane's gun didn't have any ammo in it and it was a setup for Rick to put him down? IMO I don't necessarily think that Shane's gun was empty, but I honestly don't think he could kill Rick, he just wouldn't be able to cope with it. Even though Shane made it clear to everyone he knew what had to be done in this new world and that he could protect Lori and Carl but Rick couldn't, I truly believe deep down inside he knew he couldn't live with what the world was turning him into. He could've shot Rick at any point in that scene and never pulled the trigger. Also the gun that is fired in Shane's death scene is most likely Rick gun based on the sound, not Shane's.
When your name is Lori and everyone in the comments is like "Lori sucks!" Lol *about a year late to this watch party but it's been a blast watching with you all*
Lori was mad at Rick for killing Shane, but what I find funny is the fact that Rick explained that Shane was trying to kill him, and he didn't have a choice.
Lori was upset because her son had to put down Shane. Plus she is pregnant. I'm also sure she probably had some kind of feelings for Shane at some point in time. So yeah i think she is entitled to freak out.
I think it had everything to do with Carl. Remember she didn't want Carl to become cold and hard and he had to put down someone he knew. The reaction was all about Carl.
A lot of people dislike Laurie, sometimes I get it but other times I just don't... that being said, this is where I really started to agree with the majority, her reaction to Rick killing Shane of downright disgust when just a few episodes prior she was kinda implying that he might need to eventually, that really killed anything redeeming about her to me, on a side note, Ricks speech at the end basically his "my way or the highway" is still one of my favorite moments of the series. coming up season 3, that's where the show went from a good show to the world wide phenomenon it became.
If Shane hadn’t of cleared out the barn , they wouldn’t of had a place to keep Randal and rick and Carl wouldn’t have had as easy of an escape ;) it all plays into each other
JHolland well... the showdown between Shane and Rick wouldn’t have happened quite like that if Shane never opened the barn like that. It was Shane’s gunshot at Rick that drew all the walkers after all
Wait...I just saw your P.O. address. Fairbury, Illinois? That's where my dad is from and where my aunt and uncle live. Lots of amazing memories in that town
The bottom line about Lori is she's just crazy. The kind of crazy that doesn't know what she wants, but knows how to get it (line from "Anarchy in the UK", by The Sex Pistols). The kind of crazy for whom truth is only the truth if it has a use. The kind of crazy who is amoral (i.e. she doesn't really know the difference between wrong and right), but she knows reward and punishment. The kind of crazy who see accountability the same way they see truth: only meaningful if has a use (to themselves). I think these are a few of the traits of a psychopath...?
@Duo Reacts ~And so the vacation at House Greene ended with the words of House Targaryen:Fire and blood. Some games give you a 2-minute infinite ammo power-up & Hershel must've stumbled onto one. Lol. Mythology gag alert:the character who saved Andrea (and gave you the hilarious "What the shit?/What the fuck?") reaction was introduced in issue #19 of the comics. This is the 19th ep of the series.
G'damnit, I love this show! Especially when the title music fade-in at the end, to reveal a little sump'n' -sump'n'. "Well, he's got unlimited amo...so he should be okay." LOL! 15:22 Aaannnddd...enter..._???_ Someone mentioned Rictator in the comment section a few episodes ago, and I thought it was very spoilery, but I didn't say anything. This is the episode where it should have been mentioned..."This isn't a democracy anymore." - Rick Grimes Great reaction! Lacey, your editing skills are getting much, much better. 😊🌺🏝️❤️
I have to add that my take on why Rick went all Rictator on everyone, is once again because of Lori. She questions every decisions he makes (even the one's that she suggested), and the right when he thought he could be honest with her, at least - she judged him. He probably thought she would be the one safe person he could reveal the truth to and not be judged on it. But, once again, Lori does Lori. I believe he would have handled the gang questioning his leadership a little better, had he not been turned topsy-turvy by Lori's judgmental attitude.
“This isn’t a democracy anymore” - Ricktatorship!
Haha😂that one got me!😂
Next season: "we vote" lmao
The dawn of Ricktatorship indeed!
All hail the Ricktatorship!!!
@@Aereton you must vote,rick or rick
Back in the days the "unlimited ammo" with hershel was a huge meme lmao
@TheSoldat064 yeah that aswell lol
All I'm saying is if Hershel had kept that infinite ammo shotgun he could have cleared the walker population by himself.
One of the best!
I missed that meme but that's hilarious. It was hilarious when they joked about it.
I remember that I was like how is he not running out of slugs 😂😂
This is why we all have issues with Lori.
This is when my frustrations with Lori just went into dislike. And I've heard the conversations where people said she was just upset that Carl had to put Shane down. But she had already pulled away physically before Rick even said that. She was a huge instigator in the whole Rick Shane mess and then acted like she was this pitiful victim in all of it. Plus, if she had been paying attention to where Carl was he wouldn't have had to put Shane down. Of course I'm glad Carl went outside because he saved Rick . But still....Lori pissed me off here and that stayed with me a while lol. At least with Carol and a few of the others questioning Rick, they have only known him for a little while so I could see why they , in that moment, may have been upset or questioning his not telling them what Jenner said. I also think that until Shane Rick wasn't even sure if Jenner was telling the truth because, let's face it, Jenner had acted pretty crazy trying to keep them locked in for his death party. But Lori knows him better than anyone supposedly and she should know his heart . She acted like she was afraid of him and angry. Ugh. lol.
I was psyched by Rick's speech that started the Ricktatorship. It made me happy lol. He needed to speak his mind then because everyone was panicked and seemed to forget that Rick had been constantly taking care of everyone with little regard for himself. lol, okay I've rambled enough. Great reaction as alwAys y'all 😊
@@amyfmc1 Yes, yes, yes!!!!! Lori...never thought I could hate a character soooo much.
@@amyfmc1 Lorie was in love with Shane and not with Rick anymore and was torn and that's why she started talking to Shane again, because she was going to cheat on Rick with Shane and Rick understood this, but Lorie was pregnant, plus Carol wouldn't understand especially in this world.
@@icooley7391 ..and then there came Andrea pissing me off big time with the whole Gouverneur storyline
@@mrsfahrenheit Yes. That was one of the worst ever. Don't even get me started! I saw in another comment section that she was d!ck drunk. lol
I think the reason Lori reacted the way she did because deep down she did have feelings for Shane but wouldn’t admit it/lying to herself. She might also believe the baby is his. Ricks reaction to her reaction makes me think he just realized that himself.
I am completely with you on this. That's what I got from her reaction. It's the first thought I had and it stayed with me for a while. I think when she went out to the windmill to talk to Shane and she said to him that "no matter what you thought it was between us, and not just you, me too, I'm sorry " she was admitting that it had been real for her with real feelings. And I think at that point that he was completely done with Rick and decided Lori, Carl , and the baby had to belong to him no matter what.
@@amyfmc1 Yeah, I've always felt like she was way more torn between Rick and Shane than she let on. It may have been that she was over her marriage with Rick before he was shot & the apocalypse started. She may have only been staying in the marriage for Carl's sake at that point, and after she presumes Rick is dead, she has this thing with Shane that is fresh and new for her and you have to wonder if she may have been a little disappointed deep down that Rick was alive afterall.
@@lollypop2414 yes lolly!!
I think Rick knew from the beginning that the baby wasn't his. I think *everyone* knew that. When Rick insisted the baby was his he meant that Shane had no more business with his family, it's the easiest way to cut it out until Lori told Shane she didn't know who's the baby's dad (Fuck Lori).
That's an excellent assessment 👏👏👏
Lori: “you need to kill Shane he’s dangerous”
Rick: “I killed Shane in self defense”
Lori: “get away from me you murderer”
Us: 🤦🏽♂️
She never said she wanted him dead. The actress interview clarifies what she meant..but she never wanted him to kill Shane, she isn't upset about the self-defense, she is upset about him wanting to, she is afraid he'll turn into the person Shane is, also Carl losing his innocence upset her too..plus she is hormonal due to pregnancy and Shane may be baby daddy and also like an uncle to Carl...that is understandable reasons to me to be upset to me..but of course it's Rick "the hero" so no one can be upset at him or blame him for anything🙄(yes I know he makes better decisions etc and he made the right desicion about Shane)but still my emotions would be all over the place too if my husband killed one of our best friends, my child's uncle persay and my child shot the person as well...Lori is being realistic and sometimes realistic is messy and emotional.
Exactly! And everyone tries to tell u what she was thinking but nobody really knows- she is a flake.
But she never said to kill him, she just said that he was dangerous
totesmegoats crystal so you’re saying that she expects Rick to not kill Shane after he planned the whole Randall thing to deliberately kill him? And also she basically implied for Rick to kill Shane in that one scene cuz she built up that fuel for him “Shane thinks I’m his, You would do whatever to protect yours right”
I think shes upset that Carl had to do it, and the emotionally toll that he could go through
Rick : This isn't a democracy anymore
Lacey : 👀
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Jasmine P. Steve: "yeah lori!!!”😂😂😂
That shotgun is known as Hershel's infinite shotgun
Ben Rai i want that shotgun
@@kdizzle901 btw you can see him reload several times but he is in the BACKGROUND haha, like sometimes they show Lori saving herself and you can see Hershel reloading haha
No. Actually, he WAS reloading... He was seen doing it. And probably did some offscreen as well.
If any character deserves a power up like that, it's Herschel!
Andrew Lincoln though.... Knocking it out of the park with his performance, every single episode. Such a phenomenal actor.
He's SO stellar!
I love him! ...well mainly his character
That image of Hershel standing alone in front of the house blasting away at the walkers with the burning barn in the distance gives me chills every time!
God bless americaaaa😂
And so begins the "Ricktatorship"
Yeah, now you understand why most don't like Lori. She does Rick super dirty here. Rick immediately forgave Lori and Shane's indiscretion, but she ends up turning her back on him after he does what she suggested he do with Shane. He said what he did at the end because they're all whispering and questioning him, but relying on him when it's convenient. So, he's just angry because he's done so much for them and now they seem to be turning on him the way Lori did.
I think Lori was upset but could've managed it if it was just hearing that Rick killed Shane... but as a mother hearing that her son was the one who had to put walker-shane down, that triggers her over to something other than supportive wife of the year. If we learn anything it is that Lori is extremely protective of Carl and doesn't even want him near a gun. Probably not the best disposition in a zombie apocalypse, but eh, she is the way she is.
@@Egobyte83I never hated Lori like most people do, but calling her extremely protective of carl is a serious exaggeration seeing as how she's never watching that dang kid.
Rick didn't blowup because the group was against him (Or at least not entirely), it was because of Lori. When Lori gave Rick a look of disgust after confessing that he killed Shane, that's the moment Rick snapped. Rick told Lori once that while he can take it from the others he couldn't when it came to Lori, she's his rock and the one thing he needs to his side and when that was no longer the case Rick exploded.
I agree!!
The actress that plays Lori said in an interview that her reaction was about fearing that Rick can turn into Shane when she heard he "wanted to kill," and also knowing Carl lost his innocence by putting Shane down.
Lori is just pissed she no longer has two best friends fighting over her. A few episodes ago she is whispering in Rick's ear about how dangerous Shane is, planting the idea that he needs to be stopped/killed. She was also asking Shane to not leave and thanking him for all he has done. Now gets upset at the very act she planted the seed for. Lori stinks!!
Carl’s part in the scenraio was the trigger for Lori
Fuzzy Dunlop Lori doesn’t even know what Lori is thinking! Steve
@@DuoReacts Lori is the proverbial hot mess. Think back to season 1 when Rick is talking to Daryl about Merle and Daryl says, "just tell me where he is so I can go get him." Lori jumps in and says, "He'll show you." A few minutes later Lori to Rick- "You're leaving?!"
@@MrCdub88 I agree, I think Lori was upset but could manage it if it was just rick-kills-shane... but as a mother hearing that her son was the one who had to put walker-shane down, that pisses her off.
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Lol the infinite ammo shotgun has been a running joke with TWD community since this episode aired. That scene is iconic. 😂😂😂 Another great reaction from you guys. I can’t wait for the season 3 reactions. Season 3 is definitely one of my favorite seasons of TWD and is the season that really blew the show up in popularity. It seemed like everyone started watching this show after season 3.
Trey McGrew
Hershel is too op with his shotgun
The helicopter in the opener is the same one that was briefly shown in Season 1. It is also the same scene. So the Walkers are already in the direction of Farm since Season 1. So it took quite a while to reach the farm. Always following the sounds.
Lori is not so shocked because shane is dead, but because Carl killed him. Carl killed his best friend or part-time father here.
Rick said that there is no democracy anymore, because it has always been just quarrels. Everyone wanted something different (Shane and Rick), which then (almost) escalated every time. Now someone tells you where to go and the others follow or can say goodbye.
"Darth Maaauull!"
I'm dead lol. Excited for him/her 😉
Ichan Ceska That was good! Steve
One of the best characters' entrance into the show. Definitely this one and another one seasons on.
It’s not a democracy anymore, it’s a Ricktatorship! Rick is a badass. Always doing the dirty work and no one ever gives him the credit.
I summed up the season as this: Carl's stupid, Rick is a badass, Shane is crazy, Dale is dead, Lori is just the worst, Hershel is stubborn, Glenn is confused, Maggie is confusING, Andrea is awesome, Daryl is smart, Carol is desperate, and T-dog is there. Idk if I forgot anyone.
😂😂😂😂😂😂👏👏👏
Theres a meme about hershel and his infinite ammo shotgun lol
When your husband kills your boyfriend 😂
Okay. Lol
It was because carl put him down.
@@tinyrick5514 She did not push Rick away just because Carl put Shane down. I think Joshua Vankirk hit the nail on the head.
@@tinyrick5514 Even if that's the case. Lori should've keep a better eye on Carl, but like always she doesn't have a clue.
@@vincemac2223 the actress clarified that is why she reacted that way.
I truly feel that Lori was just angry when she heard that Carl is the one who put Shane down. before that she was saddened but understood why Rick killed him. she only pushed his arm away after hearing about Carl putting Shane down IMO
I agree that's is how I took it. She probably felt guilty too, she might have pushed Rick and Shane to this
that is kinda what I figured as well. Sometimes Lori really has me complicated as to her reasons for doing things. Steve
Yep
When Daryl talks about his mom in season 3, he says something to the effect of he was playing with neighbourhood kids who were on bikes and he watched his family's trailer burn down with his mom inside when he was about Carl's age. Knowing that and watching this gives a little bit of insight as to why Daryl was sitting watching the barn burn down.
One of the best season finales IMO. What did you think of the revelation “we’re all infected.”
Kevin Evans when I heard that it leaves a lot to the imagination like if a baby dies inside it’s mother does it turn as well? I would think it would.... but yes that is a no win situation it seems.
Duo Reacts funny you say that, without going into detail, that issue will be discussed in the next few episodes
IMO, Rick was way wrong for keeping that information from everyone. They had a right to know. What if Carl had died from the gunshot wound and Lori held him while she was grieving? What if Beth had succeeded in committing suicide? They need to know about all the dangers they face.
@@DuoReacts i dont think it would because i think you get infected once you breathe the bacteria in the air and baby's dont breathe so i dont think they would when they are in the womb
@@amymiller3477 it wouldn't change anything though plus rick even says he didn't know FOR SURE everybody turned until shane did.
this was the episode when i officially started to hate lorie... the reaction of both you guys to the person with the sword was hysterical 🤣🤣🤣
chapinENnyc Thanks-and I am sure hoping this mystery person is a good guy but unfortunately this person could be a psycho leading two walkers around as a pet. Steve
I would pack all my stuff on the walker pets backs and have them carry it around.
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one word: RICKTATORSHIP
Hey fun fact that barn really did burn down because of that they paid the owner a pretty penny
LPS Creations That fire looked real and it was probably one of the biggest fires I have ever seen! This show is so awesome from the actors, script, music, and visuals. Incredible! Steve
@@DuoReacts Can not remember if it was on Talking Dead or on one of the extras on dvd, but they said, they (TWD Set Crew) built the barn w/ every intention of burning it down, 😀
3rd season my fav!!!! Rick states this is not a democracy anymore because Shane/everyone debating his actions divides the group, he needs people on the same page and have faith in his decisions so he can lead and protect. Plus he was tired of everyone 2nd guessing him. And this episode is why i hate Lori. Love the mystery character!
I just LOVE that music swelling in as that prison comes into view. You guys are so lucky the next episode is readily available! Hahah. Can you imagine waiting half a year for the next episode?
Good luck on figuring out Lori’s mindset, I have to assume it was because Carl had to put Shane down, but her reaction starts before that info is given. Like I’ve said before, Lori is the queen of bad decisions.
On another note, I love that you instantly called the dark figure at the ends walkers their pets! Who do you think that is, and do you think they will be friend or foe?
I am ready for them to see the dark figure and learn all about the walkers with no arms, lol. gosh I wanna tell but I won't. I'll just yell at my monitor while duo reacts to each scene and so on and so forth.
Lisa Calkins my thought is whoever it is I hope their on the good side lol. But we are due for a bad heel so to speak, and anyone who leads walkers around on chains as pets has to be a bit crazy. Steve
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Just a little story, March 10th 2018 I broke my pelvic it was a SaturdayI checked myself out on Sunday morning cause the hospital didn't have AMC or TWD against doctor's orders but, I told him I have never missed an episode and I am not starting now. just thought I'd share...
Love it😂😂
Way to commit, Steph! I may have done the same myself lol
Questions for the live stream: Do you prefer this season or season 1? If you had to guess three characters that would die next who would they be? If you had to have a council of three or four people to make decisions for the group who would you have on it and why?
Have to say Hershel's quote about resurrecting the dead is one of my favorites of the show.
Wendy Farrell Excellent question for the livestream and again great question! Steve
About the Lori scene this is my take on the subject based on the scene alone and also one interview Sarah Wayne Callies (Lori’s actress) did way back when S2 ended.
Lori isn’t actually mad at Rick when Rick says he killed Shane she’s kinda shocked and you know kinda sad after all Shane did matter to her and to Rick as well when Rick says he wanted to kill Shane she’s scared that he may be turning into the new Shane (and that final scene with the beginning of the Ricktatorship didn’t help it either) But what really destroys her is to learn that Carl was the one to put him down she’s blaming both herself and Rick for not being able to protect Carl from the horrors of this new world we can clearly see how much Carl is changing and now he had to kill someone who meant a lot to him at that moment she’s feeling so many things and she can’t process it she doesn’t want anyone touching her or talking to her she just need a moment to herself so she can take a breath and process everything.
You can see it all in the facial and corporal expressions of Lori you can see she’s still close to Rick and absorbing all the information that Rick is giving to her I killed him/ I wanted to kill him however that bigger reaction only happens after Rick says Carl put him down you can see that’s when she goes away and don’t want Rick to touch her she wasn’t scared or angry at him she just needed a moment to take a breath and process everything.
Umm. No. She was mad.
Somehow I don't think Hershel had a sign on his fence that says "tresspass it's your ass."
They are in the Baptist south and Hershell was the town veterinarian and devout-ish Christian. That would have been a weird thing for him to represent him and his family as......hillbillys
Here we are in the controversial Lori reaction! If anyone still liked her, in this episode she's hated by the majority of fans! To me, Lori knew how dangerous Shane was, but she never really believed, as confused as it must sound lol Hearing Rick saying it made all her feelings go crazy mixed with the pregnancy hormones.
Plus having her child do such a grown up act!
Hershel's unlimited ammo who could forget. One of the many things that was weird with Darabont in charge like the walkers running and climbing fences and holding rocks and picking up stuffed animals glad they got rid of him when they did or he would've had them talking by season 5
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Hershel looking back at the destruction of his family’s farm as they were driving away...so sad.
ETA: I think Lori got upset at Rick because of him telling her that Carl was the one who put down Shane.
Thanks for the reaction! You guys were so right with your prediction about dying and turning into a walker, even if you're not bitten. Looking forward to seeing how you call the next season.
I think yes, Lori was pissed about Carl putting Shane down, and what that might do to Carl. But also there were some feelings there about Rick killing Shane. And about Shane being gone. Even though she knew it had to happen. Knowing a thing has to happen and then it actually happening are two different things. She's a pain in the butt, but she's also human.
Now you're just spoiling us with all these uploads! :D
I despised Lori from the start, but as soon as she treated Rick THAT way in THIS episode (after she basically told Rick to kill Shane --in the tent on the farm), I LOATHED her.
She never say it "Rick kill Shane for me" you dumb.
Welcome to the RICKtatorship!!
Ahhh Herschels good ol infinite ammo shotgun 😂😂brings me back lol
This is where I officially started my hate for Lori. She told Rick to kill Shane then gets mad at Rick for doing it.
That moment with the prison and the theme playing is such a MOMENT I love it
Staying in the house with a walker hoard is probably not the best place. Keep in mind they’re in the country and the house had lights on inside which would attract them. I would rather take my chances outside of the the confined house. More options.
I was always so annoyed at how easily Lori let Carl out of her sight.
I have always felt what upset Lori was the fact that Carl had to put a reanimated Shane down. She as mom didn’t want a young Carl to be affected by the world they live in. She wanted him to stay as untouched by it as possible. Unfortunately, we all know that is not doable. Also, Hershel’s magic shotgun😂😂
Questions for live stream...
1. We got a glimpse of a new character, the dark figure who saved Andrea. Is it a man or woman? Why do you think this person has 2 walkers on chains? Do you feel this person is a threat?
2. Do you think Andrea will ever reunite with the group?
3. Do you think our group could return to the farm?
4. In comparing s2 to s1, do you see the evolution that each character experienced? Examples: s1 Rick to s 2 Rick. S1 Carl to s2 Carl and so on.
5. Which character do you feel has had the most growth and change since s1?
6. Now that you’ve seen the how gunshot sounds affect walkers, do you feel that guns are the best weapon of choice?
7. What are your predictions for s3?
Lacie/Steve Steve/Lacie absolutely love your reactions!! Such a cute duo! Can’t wait for live stream and future reactions!! I feel like a made 2 friends!! ❤️❤️
There is no exactly explanation for Lori Lol, But I think she blamed Rick that why he let Carl killed Shane as this young because he didn't explained the situation clearly. To be honest, she didn't take care of Carl the way that she supposed to as well, always let him away from her sight.
Exactly! She let Carl out of her sight all the time, that’s always been my biggest issue with Lori
Exactly! Im like Lacey MY SIGHT AT ALL TIMES! Especially considering Carl has proven that he wont stay put. Cant gamble with such things!
I raised two vvery active boys. One with ADHD, who ran away in all directions when we were out shopping, or walking, etc. So I get the whole..."he's a boy, and boys explore" thing. I never blamed Carl. It's what boys (especially) do. Lori needed better parenting skills. 'Keep your child near you at all times, Lori - especially when danger is at every turn.'
@@angie-tq4ew true, kids are kids, they wanna know and try. I understand that Carl just want to help and compliments from adults, that's all.
I think Lori's main anger came from Carl's part in the scenario. But how the eff wouldn't she be pissed at herself for letting Carl escape her view during a crisis.
Dead Fan also when she was talking to rick in ep.9 of this season and she’s like he’s dangerous and he won’t stop and he’s scaring everyone and then when the problem is fixed she flips out
@@ryanstwdchannel Lori's perhaps the most inconsistently written character in the series. Half of what she says and does makes the viewers scratch their heads.
lollypop2414 I think that’s what makes the series just a little bit more fun to watch because you have that anger when she comes on screen 😂
I think a big reason walkers stay in herds/groups is because they're all attracted to noise, and if a few of them head one way because of noise, they'll eventually make noise too (such as banging on doors, etc.) and then nearby walkers will hear and come over too. A single gunshot could attract just a small group or even less than that that could eventually form a herd. You would also have massive herds like the one in Atlanta in episode one, say, and then smaller groups merging with that one and it just continues until you get something like what you see at the farm.
Man, I never get tired of Daryl's development. Last time Lori asked him to search for Rick he flipped out on her and this time he immediately agreed and so kindly. Also, the scene of him giving Rick that handshake when just earlier this season he was like "or are just chattin?". He used to be so hand waving toward Rick sometimes but now they're so close. Daryl also could have just took off by himself when they lost the farm but he stayed back for a while. I think he may have been watching the farm because it was kind of the place he really got accepted in the group and was sad to see it go, but also possibly waiting for anyone who needed help. Also he got everyone together in the end and I LOVE that. GHHHH I love Daryl so much, y'all. That man deserves the biggest of bear hugs.
"There's no way they have enough ammo for all of them." HAHAAA, YOU HAVEN'T HEARD OF INFINITE AMMO HERSHEL, HAVE YOU? God lmao that scene is just hilarious with that constant shooting. It just looks like a video game. Hershel must have got some kind of elderly benefits or something. 😂
I like how before Beth was telling Maggie that Rick and his group wouldn't save their family. Like, yeah, Jimmy and Patricia did die, but Lori really did what she could to save Beth, Glenn stuck with Maggie and did everything he could to keep her calm, and Rick did everything he could to get Hershel to go with him and not waste his life there like that. This was a really good thing she was proven wrong about and I think it made her wake up a bit and realize they wouldn't just abandon them. With Patricia there was no choice because she was already being attacked, but just like with Rick and Hershel there was no way Lori was going to just let go of Beth and let Beth die there too. I love how Rick's group does everything they can for Hershel's family because Hershel's family did everything they could for Carl in the beginning (and let's be honest if Hershel really wanted them off his farm he could have kicked them out a long, long time ago before he even realized walkers weren't just sick people).
They probably didn't choose to stay in the house because if they did stay and were quiet, if the walkers didn't move on and hung around (or noticed Rick and Carl going to the house and some wandered there which would eventually create a larger group over there), the group would lose their only chance to escape. Like, if they did stay but got trapped that would be the definite end, versus this one chance they had while the walkers were distracted by the fire to get out and run. I think in the end they decided to run because it gave them better odds than risking getting surrounded and either starved out (and tbh how much movement could they even do to get food if the walkers were hanging around) or the walkers potentially taking the house down. I guess it was the lesser of two evils in this case to run while they had their best shot at it.
It's really ironic imo that Shane doing what he did with Rick was ultimately the cause of Hershel losing his home. All this time he wanted Shane off his land and didn't trust him and then in the end he was right - that very same person did something that caused the noise that attracted the walkers to the farm. I felt so bad for him when he looked out the back window and was watching his farm being overrun. :( I do really love though how him, Rick and Carl ended up together when everyone got separated. They've been through a lot and it all started with Carl. By the end of the episode I really feel a good bond between Rick and Hershel. Hershel smiling when everyone showed up was so sweet and adorable! I love Hershel.
To this day I still don't fully understand Lori's reaction to Rick toward the end. I've always figured it was an overreaction to being overwhelmed between hearing Carl put Shane down (even if as a walker because she's the one who didn't want him using a gun to begin with) and because Rick killed someone he cared about. I think she's probably scared of both aspects and also maybe even mad at herself? Like maybe she thinks (realizes? idk) that she's the reason Rick went that far (though really he had no choice so it's not like he did it it willingly). I guess after everything that just happened and with everyone panicking she freaked out. Sometimes people react oddly in stressful situations and very impulsively, so I've always figured that was what this was. It definitely confuses me though because I don't feel like we have enough context on her end to really... get why she reacts this way? I find it really odd tbh and I feel like it's a bit of poor writing. Normally I can understand character motivations at least a bit, but this one is just a bunch of questions for me. All I can really guess is that she's afraid that Rick and/or Carl are becoming /like/ Shane and she's afraid of that and the other stuff I mentioned. Like, is she /blaming/ Rick? Because I don't get why she would since she seemed understanding at first? ??? I guess maybe Rick saying he just wanted it dead and he wanted Shane dead didn't really help, but yikes. Maybe she's scared of what Rick could become, because she saw Shane become similar and look how that turned out. Animal Crossing question mark above my head tbh.
Ngl I can't stand how Carol treats Rick. She treats him like shit and like he's /using/ everyone. Like, nobody else ran after your daughter to save her when she got up and ran. Yes Daryl went looking for her multiple times but Rick never stopped searching and kept /insisting/ they continued searching despite what happened to Carl and despite Shane telling him over and over to move on. She's incredibly ungrateful to Rick imo. To even say he thinks of Daryl as his henchman just really shot her to the bottom of my list for the people in this group tbh. She's been awful to him this entire season, but that's just... :/
I get people don't like Lori for not doing anything for the group really, but... neither did Carol and Carol turns around and treats people like shit after all the effort they put into looking for her daughter while she sat around moping. Like, I'm sorry, but being a former abused wife doesn't give you the right to treat other people trying to help you like shit. If that was my kid I'd be taking part in the gun training and doing what I could to look for my kid and go out with the stronger people in the group so they could watch out for me but so I could also be out there, get real practice and be able to look.
I'm not sure if I liked Rick's speech at the end so much as I just understand it. He's hurt and pissed off and just so done. I don't agree with it, but he's also right. I think Daryl COULD lead but I don't think he wants to and I don't think anyone else in the group is capable of leading the way Rick does or better. Nobody got up and left either, so imo that does prove him right. It was emotional and impulsive and kind of harsh, but he's right. Also, in a way he is saying he wants to protect the group still, but that they can't keep doubting him and being all broken up. If they don't get themselves together and they don't trust him, he can't protect them. He cares about them but he can't lead a group that's so divided. It's like, I care about you and if I have to take drastic measures to keep this group alive, that's what I'm gonna do.
I love your ideas of doing post season livestreams. Do you plan to do that every season? I think it's fun honestly, even if I end up missing them. I watched your two hour livestream video after it was posted but the discussions were great. Looking forward to this new one too.
yeah Hershel used an unlimited ammo hack
and i think lori was upset that Carl put down Shane. Rick didn't really explain that Carl just walked up and did it. For all she knew Rick let him.
I think Lori was also scared that Carl may have witnessed what went down with Rick and Shane before having to kill Walker Shane.
Waking up to your reaction just makes my day love you guys..LETSS DUUOO IT!!
Best reactions ever to the mysterious stranger with the pets.
I needed this today :D Thanks!
Welcome to "Everyone Hates Lori". Yeah, her actions in these last few episodes, turned a lot of people against her. No, you guys didn't miss anything. This shift in character is as jarring this time through, as it was the first time. Also as others have said, say hello to the Ricktatorship. The fun never ends. Good luck guessing who or what that person who rescued Andrea is. Great reaction. I look forward to Season 3. Until then, keep on keeping on. I'm lovin' the ride.
The person with the sword who saved Andrea. What d’you think? What reason could they have for leading walkers around on chains? I always love it when new people are introduced. I get mixed feelings of excitement and uncertainty because you don’t know who they are or what their story is. You could hate them, or - as has happened a few times for me - they could become some of your favourite characters on the show.
Blair Kilgallon I was going to ask them the same thing. I remember the feeling of seeing this figure with walkers. It was so exciting, couldn’t wait for season 3!
I always found it funny how the walkers went from all the way from Atlanta to Hershel’s farm. Makes me think of a nature documentary for some reason. Other then that I loved the scenes with their final stand at the farm which is both badass and heartbreaking
I'm not 100% sure but I think Lori is mad at Rick, because she thinks Rick told Carl or Allowed him to shoot Walker Shane. Maybe she just misunderstood the situation.
That is some of it, I reread the interview, it was mainly cuz he wanted to kill shane..not because it was Shane but because he, "wanted" to and she was afraid he would turn into Shane due to that.
I think they wanted to make Lori out to be pissed that Rick made Carl put walker Shane down
Lori still had feelings for Shane this whole time, they didn't just go away, hence all the mixed signals. She was confused about how she felt. Remember, she always wanted Shane to leave but never wanted him to go. When Rick starts talking about having to kill him she immediately starts backing away trying to process it. This builds and builds until Rick Mentions Carl being the one that put him down, and that was the last straw.
Nope read Sarah's interview.
@@totesmegoatscrystal9688 I saw that but an actors idea of a character, and how they are portrayed by the people running the show, are two different things. Jon Bernthal played Shane's death as it was his intention to make Rick kill him, even wanted his gun to be revealed as unloaded after Rick stabbed him. But that's not how it was presented.
I literally forgot about the Hershel infinite ammo meme 😂😂😂😂😂
9:28 BEST weapon to have in the apocalypse. Magic Shotgun!
Did you know that Andrew Lincoln (Rick), is British and has a very cultured accent when not in character?
So apparently according to the creators of the show and the actress that plays Lori she reacted the way she did because she was pissed that Karl had to kill walker Shane. She was pissed because it was getting rid of Karl's innocence. Though to me personally it didn't look like that and looked like she was pissed that Shane was dead.
Its one of those confusing parts in a show were the creator sees it one way, and when the watchers see it another way. Like in Game of Thrones when during Joffery's funeral it looked like to everyone that Jamie was raping Cersi, when the creators said that wasn't what was happening and it was just rough sex.
everyone's reaction after Rick tells them they're all infected will disappoint me all my life because the decisions he made he made them for the group. Rick does everything to protect them and they react without recognition ARRGHH
Walks in. Lacey 🤗 this is one of my favourite episodes ❤️
When walkers are grouped like this they're known as herds. Let's say a walker hears a gunshot and begins to follow it, if it ever comes across more walkers they would form a group going in the same direction and possibly encounter another group causing a merge. what you end up with is thousands of the undead, following a sound they've long since forgotten.
This is something I never understood. A group of walkers is called a herd, but a herd are vegetarian like a herd of deer or a herd of sheep. A group of meat eaters are called a pack like a pack of wolves. Zombies are not vegetarians so should they be called a pack of zombies?
@@lynncantrell5502 I think it's because of the numbers and not the actual nature of the herd. In a hunting pack it's usually a group of maybe 5 or 10 instead of a thousand. When not encountering people herds are really just wandering migrates
Ah...the memories... Hershel's infinite ammo cheat and the beginning of the Ricktatorship... Great episode! Looking forward to next season. Keep 'em coming!
I think Lori was more angry at the fact that Carl was the one who had to put Shane down. Before that it just seemed like she was observing everything that Rick was telling her
Now we have a ricktatorship lol
Now u know why we couldn’t answer the place we would want to hideout in the apocalypse hahah
Does anyone know who coined "Ricktatorship "? The first I heard it was Chris Hardwick on "Talking Dead".
Maybe Lori's pissed off that CARL had to take down Shane's zombie body. It wasn't Rick's fault that Carl left the house, it was hers, but she blamed him. It could also be mixed in with her feelings for Shane.
Lady Macbeth realized. She wasn't acting. She was pissed, and afraid and on her high horse again. She set that up and now the spots on her hands won't come off. Yeah, nobody likes Lori.
She set it up? Did she set up the time Shane raised his gun on Rick? Or when Shane almost raped her? Or when he killed Otis? She set up all that as well?
Agreed, MavenCree. At the end of "Triggerfinger", Lori was practically BAITING Rick to take care of Shane.
"You killed the living to protect what's yours? That's right. Shane thinks I'm his. He thinks the baby's his. And he says you can't protect us, that you're gonna get us killed. He's dangerous, Rick, and he won't stop."
What did she think was gonna happen?
@@imcrystalclear3448 what did she think was going to happen? That Shane was going to try and kill Rick. And she was right wasnt she. Thank God she told him! Or else he would have been put in the woods with Shane looking for a dead Randle. Getting shot in the back. Had she not have warned him, you would have accused her of hiding it from Rick. Accuse her of wanting Rick to be killed. Everything she told Rick was the truth wasnt it. Yet you act like it was a lie. To wrongly turn him against Shane. Like it was all a lie. Rick would not kill Shane unless in defense. Lori knew that. Not sure why you dont know that.
Nope. You don't know me, or what I would think or say. And yes, she was right. Shane did try to kill Rick. So what the hell is her problem now? That Carl was the one who put Shane down? Where the hell was she when her son was running around in the woods at night? Lori's full of shit. First she warns Rick about how dangerous Shane is, then a couple of episodes later, goes to Shane and stupidly tells him that the feelings were mutual. That's right, Lori. Give hope to the man you're so afraid of killing your husband. All hail Lori Grimes, Queen of Mixed Signals!!
@@imcrystalclear3448 Its not mixed signals. She was trying to calm Shane. By giving him some appreciation. Hoping it would help him stop being angry. She only did that after Dale said how dangerous he was. She was in fear for Rick. She would say anything to stop that.
As far as Carl, are we talking about her lack of parenting? Or are we talking abput her being accused of telling Rick to kill Shane? These are two different things. The writters insinuate she tells Carl where he can be. And he dont listen. She said "why wont he stay put?" But she should know by now that she cant trust Carl. So he should be in sight at all times. But she still had a right to be upset over Carl losing his innocence. His father is also responsible for Carl. And Rick was the one there. Although we saw how it went down. Lori feels Rick should not have allowed Carl to put down Shane. That is a reasonable feeling. If Rick explained how it went down, she would see his side. But this has nothing to do with accusing her of "baiting" Rick to kill Shane. She WARNED Rick that Shane was dangerous and may try to kill him. No different than what Dale told Lori. So with that logic, Dale baited Lori to kill Shane? No. All that was done was sharing information about Shane and who he really is.
From what I had read years ago that Lori pulled away from Rick because she was upset that Carl had to put down Shane.
The reason I hate Lori is she is so manipulative. Like, she'd be so angry at rick and Shane for things, and say something then turn around and change her mind and be angry that they did whatever she wanted them to do first.
With Rick, she was like 'he'll show you' about Merle's location then turned around and was like 'you're just gunna leave us?'
With Shane it's 'stay away from my family' then is all angry when Shane shrugs off Carl, and then says he is leaving, like it's a slight against her.
She legit basically said that Shane needed to go, then is all upset that Rick told her he killed him, even when Shane was going to kill him first!!!
She's very manipulative and so wishy washy, and I really hated that.
The actress does a very good job of it, and I love her, I think it's a good thing whenever an actor/actress can get ANY sort of reaction out of someone, whether it's hate or love. So she definitely did a good job.
Is coming a good season guys, the season 3, enjoy it!!
Luann Fernandesz We are enjoying everything about this show. I can’t wait to get deep into season 3! Steve
Did anyone else notice the brain splatter all over the back of Hershel 's head when Rick shot the walker behind him? I never noticed that before. That must have felt gross!
Yes! Such a cool detail...gross as it is.
About the Lori scene, this is my take on the subject based on the scene alone and also one interview Sarah Wayne Callies (Lori's actress) did way back when S2 ended.
Lori isn't actually mad at Rick. When Rick says he killed Shane she's kinda shocked and you know, kinda sad, after all Shane did matter to her and to Rick as well. When Rick says he WANTED to kill Shane, she's scared that he may be turning into the "new Shane" (and that final scene with the beginning of the Ricktatorship didn't help it either). But what really destroys her is to learn that Carl was the one to put him down. She's blaming both herself and Rick for not being able to protect Carl from the horrors of this new world, we can clearly see how much Carl is changing and now he had to kill someone who meant a lot to him. At that moment she's feeling so many things and she can't process it, she doesn't want anyone touching her or talking to her, she just need a moment to herself so she can breath and process everything.
You can see it all in the facial and corporal expressions of Lori. You can see she's still close to Rick and absorbing all the information that Rick is giving to her "I killed him"/"I wanted to kill him", however that bigger reaction only happens after Rick says "Carl put him down", you can see that's when she goes away and don't want Rick to touch her, she wasn't scared. She just needed a moment to breath and process.
Perfect! I had not seen an interview about this. Gonna see if I can find it. Thanks!
Question for the livestream... Jon Bernthal (Shane) said in 2012 at a fan event that originally Shanes death was supposed to be slightly different. When Rick begins to talk Shane down, Rick tosses his gun aside and tries to talk Shane down, and eventually stabs him just like he did in the show. But once Shane reanimated, Rick is too far from his gun and grabs Shanes gun only to realize that Shanes gun had no ammo in it, implying that Shane set up the whole Randall situation so that Rick would be forced to kill him and put him out of his misery. He couldn't accept Lori and Carl not being his and what the world had done to him, so he decided to make a plan and push Rick to murdering him. My question is, do you think that Shane actually would have gone through with killing Rick if Rick hadn't killed him? Or do you think Shane's gun didn't have any ammo in it and it was a setup for Rick to put him down?
IMO I don't necessarily think that Shane's gun was empty, but I honestly don't think he could kill Rick, he just wouldn't be able to cope with it. Even though Shane made it clear to everyone he knew what had to be done in this new world and that he could protect Lori and Carl but Rick couldn't, I truly believe deep down inside he knew he couldn't live with what the world was turning him into. He could've shot Rick at any point in that scene and never pulled the trigger.
Also the gun that is fired in Shane's death scene is most likely Rick gun based on the sound, not Shane's.
That is the end of the Greene Family Farm story arc.
When your name is Lori and everyone in the comments is like "Lori sucks!" Lol
*about a year late to this watch party but it's been a blast watching with you all*
Lori didn't really freak out until Rick said Carl put Shane down . Still weird though.
Lori was mad at Rick for killing Shane, but what I find funny is the fact that Rick explained that Shane was trying to kill him, and he didn't have a choice.
Lori was upset because her son had to put down Shane. Plus she is pregnant. I'm also sure she probably had some kind of feelings for Shane at some point in time. So yeah i think she is entitled to freak out.
I think it had everything to do with Carl. Remember she didn't want Carl to become cold and hard and he had to put down someone he knew. The reaction was all about Carl.
She pulled away before he mentioned Carl. She was upset because he killed her boyfriend😂
IMO Lori within the confines of TWD is trash.
Lacey : "Look behind you!"
A lot of people dislike Laurie, sometimes I get it but other times I just don't... that being said, this is where I really started to agree with the majority, her reaction to Rick killing Shane of downright disgust when just a few episodes prior she was kinda implying that he might need to eventually, that really killed anything redeeming about her to me, on a side note, Ricks speech at the end basically his "my way or the highway" is still one of my favorite moments of the series. coming up season 3, that's where the show went from a good show to the world wide phenomenon it became.
If Shane hadn’t of cleared out the barn , they wouldn’t of had a place to keep Randal and rick and Carl wouldn’t have had as easy of an escape ;) it all plays into each other
JHolland well... the showdown between Shane and Rick wouldn’t have happened quite like that if Shane never opened the barn like that. It was Shane’s gunshot at Rick that drew all the walkers after all
Not really. I mean they wouldn't had been out there is Shane wasn't trying to kill Rick. Smh
The only person who got it right saying it was a prison at the ending scene 😂
Hey when Hershel was killing those zombies, he used the unlimited ammo cheat to try and defend his farm
Ah, yes....Herschel's infinite ammo and the Ricktatorship. The good ol' memes.
Wait...I just saw your P.O. address. Fairbury, Illinois? That's where my dad is from and where my aunt and uncle live. Lots of amazing memories in that town
Shotguns hold 2 to 5 depending on the gun.. but some have a magazine tube as long as the barrel which hold 6 to 10 shells.
RICKTATORSHIP!!!
The bottom line about Lori is she's just crazy.
The kind of crazy that doesn't know what she wants, but knows how to get it (line from "Anarchy in the UK", by The Sex Pistols). The kind of crazy for whom truth is only the truth if it has a use. The kind of crazy who is amoral (i.e. she doesn't really know the difference between wrong and right), but she knows reward and punishment. The kind of crazy who see accountability the same way they see truth: only meaningful if has a use (to themselves).
I think these are a few of the traits of a psychopath...?
I was hoping Rick would say: "I'm sorry, I killed your boyfriend."
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@Duo Reacts ~And so the vacation at House Greene ended with the words of House Targaryen:Fire and blood. Some games give you a 2-minute infinite ammo power-up & Hershel must've stumbled onto one. Lol. Mythology gag alert:the character who saved Andrea (and gave you the hilarious "What the shit?/What the fuck?") reaction was introduced in issue #19 of the comics. This is the 19th ep of the series.
G'damnit, I love this show! Especially when the title music fade-in at the end, to reveal a little sump'n' -sump'n'.
"Well, he's got unlimited amo...so he should be okay." LOL!
15:22 Aaannnddd...enter..._???_
Someone mentioned Rictator in the comment section a few episodes ago, and I thought it was very spoilery, but I didn't say anything. This is the episode where it should have been mentioned..."This isn't a democracy anymore." - Rick Grimes
Great reaction! Lacey, your editing skills are getting much, much better.
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I have to add that my take on why Rick went all Rictator on everyone, is once again because of Lori. She questions every decisions he makes (even the one's that she suggested), and the right when he thought he could be honest with her, at least - she judged him. He probably thought she would be the one safe person he could reveal the truth to and not be judged on it. But, once again, Lori does Lori. I believe he would have handled the gang questioning his leadership a little better, had he not been turned topsy-turvy by Lori's judgmental attitude.